Liverpool Banter Archive January 27 2017

27 Jan 2017 18:20:58
Hi first time ever posted but been reading this site for months can anyone tell me why so many people are so negative on here no one was moaning earlier in season when we where hammering teams an we have only lost only 3 games in league what will people say when mane back an where winning every week again?

27 Jan 2017 18:46:25
I know mate it's a joke. Just goes to show how fickle some supporters are. If they can't support through the bad, don't be there when we are winning.

27 Jan 2017 19:04:38
What a stupid post, how can you logically expect people to be happy with the run of form we are in at the moment. Any team would be disappointed with that run of form let a lone us. Of course we wouldn't be complaining earlier in the season because we never went a month without a win (bar the Plymouth result which was a horrid performance nonetheless), we where also performing well going forward but people that actually understand the game knew we had major frailties everywhere else bar the attack. Now we aren't doing any of the things we where doing at the beginning of the season and haven't changed anything, expecting a different result every time. It's stupid to expect fans that pay good money to watch these games yet be positive even when we go on a run like this, that's delusional. There is a certain type of negativity that should be cut out but I haven't seen much of that to be honest, fans calling for Klopp to be sacked or certain players to be sold and over exaggerating should wined the knecks in but again I have only seen people's opinion of the situation. Fans like you call anything that isn't praising Klopp and the team negativity.

27 Jan 2017 19:25:17
I'm not. I'm just happy that we're playing as shabite as we are, yet sit nicely in a league position.

Win win for me as we will improve drastically over the next few games as these blips never lasted.

Anyone moaning about our form should look at the premier league over the decades, and understand that all teams have downers, especially in an overrated inconsistent money-bags Premier League.

27 Jan 2017 19:26:40
To be fair I was moaning. I think people need to blow off steam and use this forum to vent their frustration.
I must say the edds are saint like putting up with it but for me it makes great reading

27 Jan 2017 19:30:35
Obviously you don't moan when everything's going well, jeez I hope the quality level of your post goes up with time.

Right now we are crap so the sensible people moan.

If your happy when we are loosing then you need locking up

27 Jan 2017 21:42:53
We'll be alright, every team goes through these patches.

27 Jan 2017 21:16:38
'so the sensible people moan' yeah alright, so called fan, your never happy dot. And yeah I guess I for one need locking up then lol for supporting Liverpool, the team I love no matter what! - your post is rediculous.

27 Jan 2017 21:50:20
Of course people weren't moaning when we were hammering teams and are moaning when we are drawing or losing game after game. That would be the logical way to go about things. Not that I support the level of moaning but if you are bitching and moaning when things are actually going your way you have issues!

{Ed025's Note - the thing is hjikle that i could understand a moan or two if you were out of both cups early and languishing in mid table or worse, but liverpool are right in the mix for a CL spot if not better, and got to the semis of the league cup and still in the FA cup, you play attractive football and have a great manager, nice ground, and terrific support...not much to moan about for me there mate..

27 Jan 2017 22:17:00
Welcome Hullred5 🤝

27 Jan 2017 22:21:08
Spot on Ed25 mate

27 Jan 2017 23:14:27
NegativeRedWalter don't be comin on here to let of some steam and vent your frustrations, that's what the wife is for

27 Jan 2017 23:28:13
Hi Eds, Reds old and new.

This site is by far the best site I have found where there is a full spectrum of supporters and opinions.

Some posters use it to vent their frustrations, some to offer their opinions and some to ask the Eds questions as they apparently have an inside line on things and they are not shy about saying what's what on the posts.

Find me a better site where you get a more complete package as I would love to see it.

28 Jan 2017 00:01:28
You are free to have a moan cos we are crap right now. Even Klopp is frustrated and moans sometimes in his pressers. That`s normal. But it is the mindless, knee jerk reactions to the point of asking for Klopp`s head cos we are having a dip in form, I can`t stand. Mou`s Utd have been 6th for pretty much the whole season. Do you hear their fans asking for his head? Some of us are glass half-empty or half-full guys (like me) . The latter are people who always wanna believe in optimism and perseverance in the face of adversity, with the hope that things will get better.

That doesn`t mean we are happy with things cos I can assure you, I am not. Ed25 posted the best comments here and responded to those who just wanna have a moan and bash players/ manager for no reason. The fact that a proud Blue is the voice of reason, says a lot more about our own "fans" than anything else.

28 Jan 2017 02:07:38
Of course no one is happy with our current form, but before the season started we would all have taken top 4. In my opinion with Klopp having had a pre season and money to make big money signings, anything less than top 4 is a failure. By no means do I want Klopp to leave, I cannot think of a manager I would rather have in charge right now, but we are currently not in good shape. We've moved a lot of players around due to injuries rather than bring in replacements within the squad. Lallana in the front 3 was a dreadful decision, hopefully we'll realise that and go back to putting him in midfield with either origi wide or Ojo etc filling in. I still believe we can finish right up there this season because if I don't, then what's the point in bothering to support us every week. In my eyes if we beat Chelsea home and away this season and they still win the league, we have done everything we possibly can to stop them from winning it. We can only impact on 6 points in their season. Let's keep the faith and stay positive, being negative won't solve anything!

28 Jan 2017 01:33:57
true noah, i look at ed25 as not just a everton fan but a football fan and that's how it should be

{Ed025's Note - that would just about sum me up L16, i love my football and after grafting all week look forward to some enjoyment, and for me moaning constantly and slagging my own team does not constitute that so i suppose i would be classed as a glass half full kind of guy mate..

28 Jan 2017 07:54:26
The glass isn't half empty or half full. The glass is twice as big as it needs to be :)

28 Jan 2017 08:25:37
Ed025 you are fan dabby dozy man.

28 Jan 2017 08:24:23
Dot, one glory hunter you.

We are playing poorly yet still sit nicely, that's my point.

If you had seen my ten years of posts you would know that.

28 Jan 2017 08:25:37
Ed025 you are fan dabby dozy man.

{Ed025's Note - i have never been called fan dabby rob...dozy a few times yes.. :) cheers mate..

28 Jan 2017 09:49:02
Like it Ed025 - the calming voice of reason

28 Jan 2017 07:49:43
Ed02 is the best lfc fan on here period!

28 Jan 2017 12:01:53
ed025 - oh don't get me wrong I agree with you and think the level of moaning is well over the top. Just pointing out that just because people don't moan when things are awesome doesn't mean that they have no right to when things are not going well - you don't have to be constantly moaning to have a right to moan!

{Ed025's Note - perspective is the word hjikie, and i think a lot of it is way over the top, im not saying everything in the garden is rosy at the moment but lets keep it real, constructive criticism is fine, where you would prefer players to play and the formation etc, but when its just slagging the players and the manager off and calling the owners cretins its far beyond the pail and there is no need for it imo mate..

28 Jan 2017 18:22:21
I 100% agree Ed025. I don't get this arrogance that surrounds the club. Don't get me wrong, this club has an almost unmatched history but people need to realise that this is history and the prosperity of years past is long gone.

We had a world beater in Suarez a couple of seasons ago and absolutely over-achieved. People saying that he was one part of a team are wrong. He was half a team on his own. I don't condone his stinking attitude and behaviour but he was a certified world beater. If you think we would be talking about 2nd place with Suarez omitted you're mad. Technically the most gifted to play for the club. Rodgers was lucky to have such a talent.

People take the fundamentals for granted. We have a great stadium, massive fan base, great manager and a whole load of potential.

Try and see the positives guys, its not all doom and gloom.

YNWA

{Ed025's Note - i agree on the suarez factor smallsy, i get the frustration of the fans you know, you are so close to having something special and i know it can make you tear your hair out at times, but i believe you are on the right track with klopp and you must remember its very early in his tenure, with a couple of additions who knows what this team can achieve so i think the supporters should try and be patient and be that extra man from the terraces, good times are not that far away for me mate..

28 Jan 2017 23:46:06
I agree mate. Its absolutely frustrating as hell for any fan of the club right now.

but this short-lived optimism is bullish*t. We were playing amazing football less than two months ago and people have already forgotten about it and turned almost completely negative. Its not like the apocalypse is nigh. Its a hurrendous lack of form, but we will bounce back. if we show some belief and support.

if an everton fan can see the sky is blue (no pun intended) how on earth can our own fans not see the positives :D. Come on guys.

YNWA.

27 Jan 2017 15:37:49
Would be interested in the Eds opinion, Would bringing in someone along the lines of Raymond Verheijen help Liverpool out in the long term?
Do you feel Klopp would be willing to adapt his style to implement a different physical approach to his training/ playing style?
I don't remember reading about this fella back in August but instead of abusing him, which I'm sure some stuck up fans are, why not accept his expertise as being bang on and look to learn from him.
Would love to hear your thoughts Eds

{Ed001's Note - god no his periodisation nonsense is just a con. The guy is just a major prick, er I mean self publicist who jumps on anything to further his own ends.}

27 Jan 2017 15:43:52
I'm not even going to pretend to know what periodisation is but do you think there's something that should be done differently at melwood to deal with the issues of tiring in second half of the season?

I don't even know of that is the main contributory factor in our downturn in form but it could well be playing a part?

{Ed001's Note - personally I do not see that as anything like an issue. I have said it before and I will say it again, I believe the problem is the attitude of 'expecting to win against the smaller clubs'. There is absolutely no way the players are tired. It is nonsense propagated by people like Verheijen to make a job for himself.}

27 Jan 2017 20:48:07
He says there tired because they worked so hard in preseason.

Are you tired from running 7/ 8 months ago?

The players fitness is fine. There positions on the field is cocked uo because the system has changed. were playing a different formation with different dynamics after the whole season has been a differebt way.

There not not getting used to it but more so that it doesn't really work. Can doesbt work well with hendo like wij. Firmino or sturridge not both. some pace needed somewhere ojo/ origi on there somewhere to offer countering ability and a threat in behind.

If sturridges pace has gone then he might adapt to it but he's not as good then as firmino for us and iur system so we have to go with riberto.

27 Jan 2017 21:53:06
It's also worth bearing in mind that even if this guy is right, our pre season tour isn't decided by the manager so blaming Klopp for it is largely ridiculous. That fitness egg bloke is just a divi who thinks he has the right to talk because he had big jobs in the past (despite none of them actually helping his employer to success)

27 Jan 2017 23:08:26
Clearly an attitude/ mentality problem, which needs addressing. Sharpish.

27 Jan 2017 23:39:57
Klopp said at the beginning of the season that this is now his squad and he is responsible for results.

It's only fair that he is judged over the full season.

Sturridge could have had a hatrick against Southampton. It was only the wrong contact made with the ball but he was in the right place at the right time.

The team created loads of chances and as the nearer the match came the more we attacked and we were caught on the break.
It's not as bad as it seems and We are capable of putting a run together that includes beating all our rivals for top 4.

Kop the faith.

28 Jan 2017 00:14:44
I don`t know where all the love for this Raymond fellow is coming from. Our issues have nothing to do with fitness. Nothing, whatsoever so he has nothing to offer us or anyone else apart from pointless bluster. We need to regroup and re-evaluate our whole approach and that is Klopp`s job now.

The Swansea game showed that the team looked disinterested and pedestrian and only started playing when they went 2 up. That should NEVER happen again. Some of our players need to start pulling their weight as they have let Klopp down this Jan. We will bounce back BUT we need to take a hard look at ourselves and start approaching games with the right attitude. It is that attitude that allowed us to have the best record vs the top 6 cos we fear no one. That killer instinct needs to come back ASAP.

28 Jan 2017 02:26:24
If Raymond is so right, why is Firmino not exhausted (probably the hardest worker on the pitch)? Why hasn't Llalana suffered with constant injuries? Add Coutinho and Mane to the list (Couts' injury was a bad tackle) .
I see our team occasionally complacent and lacking inspiration and creativity sometimes. But never burnt out.

{Ed001's Note - exactly Annie. The man is a charlatan peddling his crap to suckers.}

28 Jan 2017 20:26:18
Hes isnr right. Just a pure tit head. Snake oil salesman.

27 Jan 2017 15:22:56
New Ed002 podcast on the latest Manchester City transfer rumours.


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27 Jan 2017 15:11:13
Hi First time posting on here.
do you think that our bad spell has coincided with us having to play 2 games a week instead of the once a week that we were playing earlier in the season which has caused us to use the squad which we can tell probably isn't deep enough.
And also its plain to see that Hendo and Can can't play in the same team.
just my thoughts.

{Ed002's Note - The players are unable to cope with the kopflose huhn style of play over a sustained period - similar problems came at the holidays last season. Raymond Verheijen warned Klopp about this and now he is taunting the naive Liverpool fans who thought he too did not know what he was talking about.}

27 Jan 2017 16:09:21
Thanks Ed and top site by the way :-)

27 Jan 2017 20:51:27
Fitness is fine not having mane isn't the reasin we look so similar to this time last year its because the same players bar matip are playing in it. so the same problems show.

Add mane and wij back into yhe group and we will start performing again.

The reason that fella talks a load of tosh is simply because the red zone is a pile of. m the fiiter you are the fitter you will always be.

How do tennis players and cyclists do it week after week aftwe week.

Running 100 mins in august does not knacer you for january it makes you fitter.

Utter utter tosh.

Dortmund use to rince every pren team for fitness feb time.

27 Jan 2017 23:42:43
After a winter break.

28 Jan 2017 00:18:34
Fitness has nothing to do with it as our injuries are not muscle related. No one ever got injured for training too much as it only builds fitness. Suarez never misses a game nor a session in his career hence, he`s never injured cos his body is conditioned to withstand football`s physical demands. Hence, you can play even when carrying minor knocks cos your body is built to withstand it. CR7, as well. The Raymond fellow is talking nonsense.

27 Jan 2017 14:17:44
Big game for Mane tomorrow.

27 Jan 2017 17:17:42
Hope he scores a hat trick but the lose 4-3

27 Jan 2017 08:26:40
Eds do you know of any transfer targets Liverpool had for this window? Thought the club would try to make at least 1 signing to push us on for the title mostly needed a centre back maybe the quality targets were just unavailable and we are saving for the summer hopefully Michael Edwards is a better negotiator than Ian Ayre

{Ed002's Note - I explained on the Sharkopod where Liverpool have been looking but it is always difficult in January. Centre back is a position where Liverpool has plenty of options with two arriving last summer. Can you please explain what Mr Ayre has specifically done wrong? Or are you just jumping on to the bandwagon of trashing everyone involved with the club (except of course Klipperty and the Runt?)}

27 Jan 2017 13:10:22
Ed klopp is far from unaccountable for are form off late his team selection and no use of are young wingers when we clearly have missed mane is big errors. I no jan is hard to get anyone in sobig it doesn't happen then summer ithas to be.

27 Jan 2017 13:56:19
I'm not trashing ayre he improved the clubs marketability hugely with all the sponsors but his handling of some of the transfer negotiations in the past haven't been good ed surely you agree? Texiera, Konoplyanka, Mkhitaryan, Willian, etc . all missed out on due to bad negotiations in my eyes but all I hope is Michael Edwards can do better on that side

{Ed002's Note - That is all nonsense - so you actually don't know anything of it then.}

27 Jan 2017 14:45:45
Can you elaborate ed02?

{Ed002's Note - About what - you make an accusation against the Chief Executive of Liverpool Football Club and substantiate it with a list of random names of players. Like some many others who wish to put down every individual associated with the club without knowing them, anything about them, nor seemingly how the football business works at all, you think this is a good place to share your ignorance.}

27 Jan 2017 14:58:03
Another CB which will make a total of 6 including Sakho so we can field them for two different teams. Wow.

27 Jan 2017 14:24:57
Oh so we have moved from bashing the players, manager, owners to now Ian Ayre. How do you know he is a poor negotiator, Cy? Were you in the room with him during these transfer negotiations or are you just blasting on him cos everybody else is?

27 Jan 2017 17:56:50
Negotiations for Firmino prove what a wise owl Mr Ayre was.

27 Jan 2017 09:14:32
Will sturridge be sold at the end of the season? I think he will, the way i see it he is now second choice behind a makeshift striker firmino. He no longer makes runs behind opposition defences and hos goals return is diminishing year on year. He will never again be a 20 goal a season striker and do hos wages justify having him sit on the bench an score 8 goals a season.

Undoubtedly he has finishing still in his locker but is that enough. Towards the close of the southampton game there was a chance for him to chase a ball to keep it in play and keep us possession, he didn't even try and only moved when he realised it wasnt going out of play by which time it was too late and southampton won the ball back. When you are chasing a game that is not the right attitude to have.

I fear he is fast running out of chances and i am not convinced klopp will continue giving them to him.

26 Jan 2017 21:29:21
I think Martial is a great player but there is not a hope in hell of United doing business with Liverpool.

26 Jan 2017 22:21:30
Now I've heard it all.

27 Jan 2017 09:51:10
I also think Sturride is on his way out the door - Irish Rover, true mate no chance is that deal ever happening.

27 Jan 2017 09:57:07
The same should be the case for Milner. Yes he did well in a few games but has been abysmal in a fair few too. He must be on what 130-150£ per week. One can have 2 classy left backs and still have change left on that salary. We as a team are carrying too many ordinary players who at times even seem less than ordinary. It would be just awesome if the management just get the hold and accept many of our squad members can be easily upgraded on in the summer window and just go for it.

27 Jan 2017 10:28:47
There's no doubt that Studge isn't playing well at the moment but is that his fault or the team's (legitimate question, it's a chicken and egg thing)? Last season he was scoring regularly so there's no reason he can't do that again. I think it comes down to what Klopp thinks of him in training, if Studge is doing the business there then I think Klopp will persevere with him as I can't see us getting someone better who's happy to sit on the bench.

27 Jan 2017 12:33:23
I was at the game on Wednesday and I have a lot of sympathy for Sturridge. Ok he missed a couple of gilt edged chances but he put in a decent shift. He was the only one who made a runs along and beyond the line looking for space behind but our build up play (particularly in the first half) was too slow. We seem unable to get beyond the full backs wide.
We did a lot better in that regard second half and because of it created numerous chances but didn't take them. Southampton played well and deserved to get through. We have a number of players not quite on their game through either coming back from injury, carry small knocks but doing their best to play through the pain barrier, or simply lacking a bit of confidence. Plus Mane or outlet.
Onwards and upwards as the past is the past and the next game is always the most important one

27 Jan 2017 14:57:46
still think we should have another pacy forward in our squad, when Mane is out for whatever reason, its so obvious that is what we are missing right now .

{Ed002's Note - Someone like Ojo you think?}

27 Jan 2017 14:48:12
I agree with you, Patemondo BUT I have to say, Studge is one of the players that have let Klopp down and that has to be said. Many were complaining on here that Klopp wasn`t getting chances to play while we were flying and should be starting over Firmino who actually, had been performing. We all knew mane would go to the AFCON and I an many others, thought Studge and Origi would benefit and take the chances provided to them.

I'm sorry, Studge and indeed Origi, Can, Klavan, have disappointed. Origi and Can are still young and learning so I have time for them for now. Studge? I do not, sorry. They say he`s the best finisher in the PL WHEN on form. That`s my problem. When. When has that ever been, this season? When is that going to be this season? Based on current evidence, "When" will be never and the Saints game proved it for me.

He may have put in a good shift and so did others like Can, Firmino and Lallana but he had two chances to score and he hopelessly shanked one and his lack of pace and anticipation, robbed him of the second chance. What is Klopp to do when players are failing him in crucial moments? I hope they step up and Studge tarts scoring cos he will get chances but he'd better buck up cos time waits for no man.

27 Jan 2017 15:35:34
I kinda agree with you patemondo, our set up does not lend itself to his current strenghts. I should have quantified my post by saying i don't particularly want him to go. He is a nice lad and well liked in the dressing room and its been said before that he helps out a lot of the young lads.

I just hanker after the old sturridge with his fast twitch muscles that could sprint rather than saunter after balls played in behind. His finishing is as good as it always was, despite the southampton game.

I also agree ed 02, wednesday was tailor made for ojo to come in and try and stretch play and get in behind. I also criticised klopp for playing Can who is having a nightmare month and not changing players that were so clearly struggling like lalana who gave the ball away the whole night.

28 Jan 2017 00:00:42
Build from the Back.
Improve the quality of defending with or without bringing new people in and the rest will fall into place.
Even the holding midfielders protecting the back four needs improving.

Sturridge goals per min on the pitch is top class and I think selling him would be a huge mistake.

28 Jan 2017 00:25:41
Dermot, Studge was good, 3 seasons ago so forgive me for disregarding your statistic which doesn't tell you how many games he's missed or games he hasn't scored in. The guy is finished and if we sold him now and got another forward with pace and work ethic that fits Klopp's style, I wouldn't be bothered.

He's been poor this season stats or not, and has let Klopp down this Jan so why should we be accommodating him? Cos he was once a good goalscorer? Sorry, I'm tired of us accommodating underperforming players. He has a decision to make in the summer and if we sold him, it would NOT be a mistake at all.

26 Jan 2017 23:23:47
How did the eds become eds? sorry it may sound stupid but I have no idea, only really been active a year or so, Ron should be an ed, he reminds me of ed1, speaks sense!

{Ed001's Note - I am not sure whether to be flattered or insulted? As for how to become an ed it varies. These days though we mostly pick them as we have had a lot of problems in the past with eds who just want to sit and read the chat on our editors widget to get info and never actually do any editing. The last few years we have become more choosy.}

26 Jan 2017 21:48:46
Well said mate

27 Jan 2017 00:03:38
For me the question quite simply is where do you go from klopp. You can't get more liverpool in a manager of auch hugh quality as him. A manager that has succeded with a less powerful money team with league titles. A manager who with one transfer window made us title challengers. Finals. fun. youngers. improvements. goals. sensational jaw dropping moments.

To have him after dortmund when he could of picked any team in the world. and for him to actuall deliver and be all that we inagined he would. well.

Klopp is liverpool and that's the end of the that.

{Ed002's Note - Klopp couldn't get the job he wanted which is why he moved to Liverpool. He has had three windows and not one.}

27 Jan 2017 00:10:24
I appreciate you trying to be positive in a difficult moment for the club and us fans but I can't help but notice the same excuses being used to avoid the fact we are in a horrid run at the minute and have the same problems we had last season. The excuse 'who would have thought we would be here before the start of the season' has to be the motto for this season with some of the posters and it's ridiculous, it's testament to how far the mentality at this club has fallen. It's important to be realistic so I'll dissect the excuse as best I can. At the beginning of the season, people's expectations was to achieve top 4, that was the aim and anything other than that would have been deemed failure in a season with far less games with the absence of European football and a decent amount of money spent. Right now that is where we are at, albeit skating on thin ice as the two Manchester clubs are right behind us. We then proceeded to put ourselves in a position to challenge and be right up there amongst it. We drop points to the likes of Burnley, Bournemouth, Swansea, West Ham, Sunderland. That would be disappointing in any season, not just a title challenging season. We effectively are not in a title race anymore and are out of a competeition we where very close to winning, we put ourselves in the situation. It doesn't matter about prior expectations because we are where we are, so make the most of it. If we don't make the most of it, that is failing, it's like crediting us last season to getting to two cup finals we didn't win, how is that achieving anything? Considering we finished 8th the same season. Did we overachieve at the beginning of the season, yes we did, but we where in that position so losing points to the teams we did and falling back the way we did isn't justified by 'think back to august, would you think we would be here', it's a nonsense excuse, we where there and lost to people we should be beating regardless.

People also mention, we have taken steps forward, I wonder if they said the same under rogers. The difference from this season to last season is we have improved offensively and identified an area we have lacked for so long going forward which is width. Mane comes in and totally adds a new dynamic to the attack, this is the reason we found it far easier against teams that decided to sit back, and Leicester and hull where not the best examples of teams parking the bus against us that we ended up winning. Attack is an area we have taken a step forward, midfield. NO. Defence. Definitely not, just as bad as last season. Goalkeeper. Not so far. So there areas where we haven't progressed at all, it's just been ignored by the fact we have a brilliant offence. Now our only genuine wide option has gone, we had no idea how to deal with it. From playing firmino and lallana out wide to playing can instead of wiji, we have made some stupid mistakes that have costed us results. That excuse doesn't work in our situation, we are exactly where we expected to be right at this point in time and may even slip out of that if our current form continues. I have faith we will get it right, but please, stop with those BS excuses. A few games yes it would be valid, but it has been a month of poor performances against lesser opposition.

No one is saying Klopp out, but certain people are just ignoring the mistakes and glossing it with excuses. It's important to be balanced and look at it two ways which very few people are doing as if Klopp could do no wrong, unfortunantly he and the players haven't coped with the fixture congestion, again. Let's hope we turn it around soon.

27 Jan 2017 04:54:33
I love the guy but Klopp isn't any more Liverpool than Luis Suarez

27 Jan 2017 07:20:42
Hi Kman, nice post.
You know me, I would have expected us to be in this position at the start of the season, I expected us to be higher 😄. But equally, you have to agree it's been a good first half of the season despite a little wobble in January. There's no denying that and I personally believe the stuff we were playing before injuries caught up with us was the best attacking football in the league.
I did say we took strides forward under Rodgers, we did, it's a fact. But he couldn't handle losing Suarez and simulataneously qualifying for the champions league. His inexperience and his ego caught up with him. There is no inexperience with Klopp and probably the right amount of ego.
I still think we can get back to our early season form, a team is going to get a serious beating soon and it will start clicking again. We've had an awful January, but that should detract from the great football and entertainment Klopp's men provided August - December 👍

27 Jan 2017 06:30:10
😄 @ed001. I'll take it as flattery then.
Cheers 16 😉, the eds do a great job making my posts look coherent 😎

{Ed001's Note - that's a good point, they don't see the hours of translation and editing that goes into your posts to make them intelligible.....}

27 Jan 2017 08:00:49
Thanks for that info ed1 mate :)

{Ed001's Note - welcome mate.}

27 Jan 2017 09:20:23
Klopp is a good manager but he has made mistakes that have cost us. He knew Mane was going to be gone from the day he bought him yet he had no plan B for when he was gone. He keeps taking Firmino out of the middle when even the dog in the street knows that is his best position. Can has been diabolical the last few months yet he trys to get him in the team at the cost of playing other players out of position. There really needs to be a 100% improvement tomorrow against Wolves from Klopps team selection to the player's attitude because they have been nothing short of disgraceful the last month. Simply not good enough only beating a league 2 team in 7 games, that wouldn't be good enough for Watford or Southampton supporter's so i don't see how some supporter's on here accept it at Liverpool. Ah it's only a blip but when does it not become a blip,2,3,4 more games? It needs to be sorted like yesterday i am sick of hearing " Oh we will get it right "

{Ed001's Note - how does everyone know central is Firmino's best position when all season long people have been questioning him being central as he is better wide? Now he is moved wide suddenly everyone knows he is better centrally! He is excellent in both positions, just be thankful we have him on the pitch.}

27 Jan 2017 09:34:28
Good post Kman, honest and fair. We've clearly improved upfront significantly with Mane (and struggled with him out), however I'd also argue that although Klopp has lots more to do in the defence he's at least recognising that with Gini in for Can, Matip for Skrtel and Karius for Bogdan all meaningful improvements on last year despite the current dip in form and even if we continue to throw points too often.

We clearly have still struggled of late though and now it's time for Klopp to show he's flexible enough to solve for problems rather than complaining about this that or the other. all sides go through slumps but winners pick themselves up and find a way. He needs to do the same, and find solutions to how to combat the deep defenses he's likely to face until he can prove we can score regardless. I feel he's been too slow to react, try the youngsters and/ or get creative, but it's easy in hindsight and the proof will be in the next couple of months whether he can solve the puzzle.

I think next summer he also needs to bring in a couple of big names to deepen the bench and improve things, but I also am guessing he already has that in mind and is taking a patient approach to getting the right players in as they become available rather than buying in a panic and overpaying for mediocrity like we've done in the past. Matip and Mane give me comfort he's a good judge of what we need.

27 Jan 2017 09:47:47
There is something else to consider: Chelsea and United both had rough starts to the season. Arsenal only won their first game in November on the last November fixture. For the month that Kane was out, Spurs had 4 draws in 5 games. City are going through the same rough patch as us.

It's a shame we've lost our form right when it hurts most, mostly because of the cup, but in reality every other team around us has seen the same dip in form. But they all arrested it in time to equalise and we need to as well - starting with this weekend.

For what it's worth, I actually thought that first half against Swansea we looked back to our best. Then our defense struck and it all went to rubbish but we aren't far from regaining the fluency we had before and here is to hoping that this weekend kicks back into place!

27 Jan 2017 09:52:32
Lol your welcome Ron mate :)

27 Jan 2017 15:10:41
not much will change until Mane is back playing for us, there will be no incoming first team player in this window, if we can get something from the next 3 games, and Mane back, then we can kick on, and maybe get top four, don't think we will see a cup final this season, too many average players right now . next season will be much better, think Klopp is thinking the same .

27 Jan 2017 15:24:50
Kman, your post is well thought out even tho I disagree with parts of it. We did make progress under BR and that is a fact. He himself, was the one who blew it with his own arrogance and belief in his own hype. Also, BR had three full seasons here. Klopp has only had 1 season if you count half of last season and half of this one so it is unfair to compare the two. Have we made progress under him? Absolutely. Have we struggled under him? Absolutely. Both come with the territory so no news there. We ask for him to use the youth or be creative. He does, it doesn`t work, he gets slated for not using the first teamers. He then uses the first teamers, they fumble, he gets slated. That`s just insane cos he can`t win.

He has players like Studge, Origi, Can, Klavan that have let him done and disappointed cos they haven`t stepped up especially, Studge. Had these players stepped up, we would be calling Klopp a genius. If Klopp knew they would disappoint him, I`m sure he would have planned better and not trusted them.

Every team has had a dip in form as that happens so that`s normal. We are struggling right (injured players, players back from injury and those playing with injuries) and all it takes is one great result (Chelsea? ) to get the shot of confidence we need.

28 Jan 2017 00:07:27
Hi Eds.
Reading your reply to the above post where you said Klopp didn't get the job he wanted so next best was LFC.

Who or where was the other club?

Tks.

{Ed002's Note - Bayern Munich.}