Liverpool Banter Archive August 27 2016

 

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27 Aug 2016 20:28:14
Win your home games, draw your away games and your in the champs league. Chuck in a couple wins on the road and your competing for the title.

You would think we lost our opening 3 the way the posts are looking.

4 points from 3 away games and through to the next round of the cup is a solid start. Not great, but not awful.

A win next week and all will be rosey. We already have two of the hardest fixtures out the way.

Sorry there has been no loan report, I have been on hols. Back now and will post one monday.

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27 Aug 2016 20:40:34
For me carra it's like we don't learn from our mistakes. Yet again players out of position and being used in roles they are not used to. Not having a dig at any players or klopp. Watching the man u hull game, Hull defended like beasts. Who gets the 3 points though. I just really want to see us have a banging season, only time will tell how costly those draws will be.


27 Aug 2016 20:40:51
2 of our rivals for top 4 have 9 point from 9, the third will have it tomorrow. In recent years we weren't so great in home games because teams close thier games even more. If you need to tell yourself stories feel free but its all just wishful thinging. 5-6 at best.


27 Aug 2016 20:48:55
If agree with you, Carra. However, we are conceding too many goals not because teams are cutting us open but because our players keep making individual mistakes especially our fullbacks, that is costing us goals. This is what makes it look like we aren't making the progress we need to make. Today, we were outstanding at times and cut them open at will with our aggressive play and ball movement in transition. However, we can't keep a clean sheet because it seems that someone will always screw up to undo the good work the team as a whole has made and today was another example of that. Frustratin, really.


27 Aug 2016 21:05:23
Fanobip those 3 (Chelsea, Utd and city) are competing for the title.

We are competing for fourth against arsenal and spurs. To expect anything more this season is unrealistic.


27 Aug 2016 21:13:41
Hamilton red. As in Hamilton square? Yep you can tell your a Birkenheader.


27 Aug 2016 21:20:36
We will not win all our home games tho.


27 Aug 2016 21:21:36
Point away against a top side. don't mind what our rivals are doing. i honestly think over the first 3 games, when you take into account the teams nd venues we've played at there hasn't been a better team so far.


27 Aug 2016 22:31:09
I think we will win all our home games Irish.
We certainly won't if we go in without the belief.


27 Aug 2016 23:08:51
Scouse Jonn a bit of an arsey dig there! I bet he means Hamilton, Canada.


27 Aug 2016 23:57:43
I just came off 20 days of work so missed first two games so I loved watching the match last night lots of positives for me, i do understand frustrated fans on some points but for me we have a really good side here, ynwa.


28 Aug 2016 01:14:16
I don't get your joke, Scouse John.


28 Aug 2016 09:04:41
Another cracking prediction Ron, I'm with you on that.


28 Aug 2016 21:30:15
But how many of our rivals have played 2 of last years top 3 away in their first 3 games?! That's 2 of our hardest games out of the way with 4 points to show for it. Not bad in my book. Yes Burnley was disappointing but let's be positive and move on to the next one!


27 Aug 2016 19:39:12
Eds, can you help me please? We know where our faults are in our team especially in defence. However, I feel that it is indies that are killing us. We conceded 3 vs Aresenal. If we look at the goals, Moreno's lack of positioning cost us the first, Lallana allowing the Ox to go past him without blocking him off caused the second and Migs' inability to anticipate and be proactive to the bounce of the free kick caused the third. Vs Burnley, Clyne passes the ball directly to the opposition and we concede while Klavan and Lovren didn't put a challenge in to stop Gray from scoring the second. Now today, Clyne causes another goal by not picking up Rose at the back post. These are all individuals committing errors that are costing us goals. Shouldn't Klopp play a system that hides these vulnerabilities until we get better replacements for these players because with the open style that we play which I love, theerrors by these players are more costly? I know we have Mingo replaced but can this help?

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{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what "indies" are and think you perhaps mean "undies". My advice given considerable personal experience, is try boxers. https://www.trouva.com/products/573c99d430689e0300034ed8?utm_source=googleshoppingUK&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=googleshoppingUK&dfw_tracker=12274-573c99d430689e0300034eda&gclid=CMG2-aWq4s4CFckp0wodlOgMmg
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27 Aug 2016 20:35:48
Or go commando ed. That will really allow some freedom of movement haha :)


27 Aug 2016 20:57:15
Sorry, Ed. Blasted autocorrect! I'm ok with "undies", thank you. In the post, I meant individual errors. Thanks in advance.


{Ed002's Note - You are right, Klopp is at fault for picking the team.}

28 Aug 2016 00:40:01
Genuinely laughed at the response. Thank you.


27 Aug 2016 20:15:19
I would of settled for a point away at spurs before the game. Thought we played well the first hake, just at times the passing just didn't come together like they wanted. It's almost like panic sets in amongst them. 2nd half not so good, think that's why people are moaning as we want to start seeing an improvement. Couldn't keep hold of the ball and not much threat going forward

Selection baffles me sometimes. Think firmino is much better behind a striker. I would say Studge is our best finisher so why not play him, even if we have to play a different formation to get all the attacking line up in. GW I don't get why he is played back where he is. Just seems a player we didn't need and he is used out of position, yes he can play there but is it his best spot. Milner at LB just can't see why we didn't get someone in for that position. Surely you have to strengthen your weakest positions first. Not having a dig at him. He plays there no moaning and gets on with the job. I just think if we had started with a natural finisher we might of got a win out of today's game. Just hope klopp is not cutting his nose of to spite his face

I think Mane looks class, and could be a great player for us. Seems to work hard also

All in all we have not played at anfield yet so that's not a bad return on points. Just hope we settle down find some form, think when it all clicks together we could be a very dangerous side.

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27 Aug 2016 21:00:28
I would agree with you. I think a striker up front followed by Coutinho, Firmino and Mane, playing in front of Henderson and Can is something that Klopp should look at. I didn't notice any defensive attributes in Wijnaldum at all. And if Can is injured then why is Stewart not used? I agree that it shows ambitions (and maybe fearlessness) to play 5 attacking mids at an away game, but I sometimes scratch my head wondering about the tactical judgement of such moves. But it'll all "click together".


27 Aug 2016 21:18:03
i don't really see why we bought GW when stewart was looking bright in preseason. Just knocking him back i think he could do the job a few games. Not saying he's ready to be a starter each week, plus don't want to put that sort of pressure on him yet, but he has shown he is capable why buy GW who still doesn't seem to fit and hold back development of a player who could do the job.


27 Aug 2016 21:43:17
I don't know if Stewart is ready, but he's hardworking, competent and reads danger well. He can't do any worse than either Lallana or Wijnaldum in centre midfield.


27 Aug 2016 23:48:12
I think it is pretty obvious to see that Klopp favors a 4-3-3 system especially in away games and in "big games", so this Firmino behind the striker thinking is pointless.

I look at it this way: There are 3 forward positions where Coutinho, Firmino, Mane, Sturridge, Ings, Ojo and Origi will play, and 3 midfield positions where Stewart, Henderson, Gurjic, Can, Lallana and Wijnaldum will play. Lallana and Wijnaldum can also cover out wide, while Milner can play in midfield too.

I suspect we will see combinations along these lines for the majority of the games.


28 Aug 2016 01:52:18
However, we cannot have both Wijnaldum and Lallana in CM together as they offer next to nothing in attack or in defence and leave Hendo unprotected and the team shape unbalanced. Hopefully with Can returning, this will change.


27 Aug 2016 19:20:05
Would have taken 4 from 6 points for Arsenal and Tottenham away before the season started. In fact would take that every season.

If we consider Burnley game as our blip it looks much better on paper.

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27 Aug 2016 20:13:43
Why is it blip and the Arsenal win not blip?


27 Aug 2016 20:16:26
Blips are blips when they are sandwich between runs of good form. You can't say a second game into a season is a blip. United 5 point clear after 3 games and yet to conceded.

Absolutely shambolic if you want the truth, that's what it is.


27 Aug 2016 20:20:09
Your post is absolutely shambolic you are correct 👎.


27 Aug 2016 20:30:29
Utd conceded against Bournemouth. Do you even watch football Mattaldinho or do you just come on here to rant and rave.


27 Aug 2016 21:18:05
And when have any of jose's teams never parked the bus go back to bed matts the manc💤.


27 Aug 2016 16:16:27
Well done lads. Good performance and Result. Side note. Sturridge to go before weds? A possibility I feel.

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27 Aug 2016 16:34:16
How is it a good result we had the chances to win it . It's a good result for Spurs because they don't deserve a point.


27 Aug 2016 17:08:47
We played well and dominated them, hands down. When you do that, you have to win the game and we should have been 3 up way before they scored so I can understand why many see it as a disappointing. We go again!


27 Aug 2016 19:11:48
I'm not going to be that bothered if he does go. Much as I used to like him, behavior is kind of getting to me. Seems to sulk around. I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. I know every player wants to play. And the media paints it as he hates everyone for not getting to start. But Danny Ings is not even making the bench. Idk I don't understand a lot of the thinking at the moment.


27 Aug 2016 19:36:46
3 games into season and we are already 5 pts adrift of manU. The feeling sucks.


27 Aug 2016 19:42:44
It can never be a good result if you lose 2 points at home, with title aspirations. I stopped looking at which of the teams was more "deserving" because all of us have seen that the better team doesn't always win.


27 Aug 2016 21:02:53
It may not look good right now being five points adrift of Utd. Te but it's still early and we can only hope we will improve.


28 Aug 2016 00:51:58
Because hope and faith always work don't they.


28 Aug 2016 01:54:37
Mr Shankly, without hope, you might as well pack it in. But seriously, I do think the glaring holes in our team are there for all to see and if not addressed, top four is a pipe dream.


{Ed001's Note - every team in the league has glaring holes of their own, so I do not see it that way. Man Utd lack real pace and penetration, Man City can't defend at all, Arsenal struggle defensively plus are half the team without Cazorla, Spurs lack pace and penetration even more than Man Utd plus they don't look ready for the league to start. You could pick apart every team. No one team in the league is complete.}

28 Aug 2016 13:29:11
Ed, I agree with you and your analysis is spot on with other teams. I just want us to iron out our issues to the best that we can even tho I know that some will remain.


28 Aug 2016 21:39:18
Ed1 do you rate Cazorla over Ozil/ Sanche? Or is it that Cazorla just brings in quality his replacements don't?


{Ed001's Note - he is not the best player at Arsenal but he is the most vital. I know some people have difficulty understanding the difference, but there is a huge one. The central midfield is the most important part of the team, they are heavily involved in attack and defence. Cazorla is the only centre mid at Arsenal that has that quality on the ball and still has the willingness to work that is needed. With him in the team, they are an entire different level to the team they are without him. Sanchez and Ozil need service to be effective, Cazorla is light years ahead of the rest of the Arsenal side in providing it.}

27 Aug 2016 16:02:46
Saddest thing for me today was having to wait till the 87th minute to see Studge on the pitch. If you want a player to make a difference you have to give him the time to do so. I would have brought him on for Mane on 55 minutes (I was worried Mane would get another booking) . Game was crying out for composure in front of goal.

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27 Aug 2016 16:50:51
have to agree, Stuge should have come on earlier, I wonder is he being punished for his outburst ref being played out wide? I really believe we should have won this game, off-side goal should have stood, Couts should have scored at least once, we had a great chance late on, and a bit of class, would have scored .


27 Aug 2016 17:25:34
We should have been up by three goals way before they scored which is why I feel it as a disappointing result even tho we were by far the better team. Studge should have come on in the final 10/ 15 mins tho.


27 Aug 2016 18:52:00
Perhaps Klopp thought his pre-match comments did not help team morale and that Studge wasn't showing much commitment to the team?
Just a guess, players need to keep the mantra of "playing for the team". He should use Milners comments about playing left back as an example.


27 Aug 2016 21:03:33
Possibly Ron but the content of his comments was almost exactly the same as Milner's. I just want to see him on the pitch scoring goals.


27 Aug 2016 21:06:43
Spot on, Ron. Didn't hear Hendo nor Milner complain whenever they were played out of position so if he can't work hard for the team and start running his mouth in the media then he won't play and personally, I won't be bothered if he left either as we now have able replacements.


27 Aug 2016 15:37:52
Shoulda won that.

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27 Aug 2016 15:31:19
Mane was off his game, and the decision to substitute him the right one. Miller needs more awareness of his new duties especially when the offence have the ball.

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27 Aug 2016 17:43:53
Hope this is a joke mane was by far our stand out player again! Different level that lad, seems to fit in perfectly, shame we can't clone him for the other side.


27 Aug 2016 18:03:29
Got to disagree, Mane was well off his game today whereas Milner had his best performance for quite a while.


27 Aug 2016 19:26:48
Mane off his game? I don't think so. You could see the Spurs defence was terrified of him. He even out muscled Danny Rose too.


27 Aug 2016 22:31:42
Though Mane was very good but praise for Milner very appropriate. Worked hard, was effective and took the penalty superbly. Just a shame we didn't come away with the three points when it could easily have been 3:0. Need to start picking up those points before too big a gap opens up.


27 Aug 2016 15:21:01
we played well when we had the ball. Mane again a level above everyonelse on the pitch. The problem was when we didn't have the ball . Henderson again getting no help defensively off lallana and Wijnaldum. Our midfield makes it easy for teams to play through us. They have tons of space. Klopp needs to rewatch the match and make future changes and give us a decent solid midfield. Can and henderson possibly with grujic just ahead has to be the way forward. Can simply has to come in and partner henderson. A 4,2,3,1. Our fullbacks will need more help in the future. We can't replace them so klopp has to work with what he has. Clyne gave rose a full afternoon to shoot because he was out of position. We need one of the central backs roaring at our fullbacks to drop back at times. Need a. leader at the back. Hopefully matip becomes that. Looked very good today. It's a point. Should have been 3.
Hopefully origi and sturridge start the next game with coutinho and mane supporting and can and henderson anchoring us. Changes have to be made.

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27 Aug 2016 17:24:54
What annoys me is why not put cou where lallan/ wij is playing? Hr would be devstating from there similar to playing on the side of the diamond.

Can hendo and cou but not in a ten position but as a depper midfielder.


27 Aug 2016 22:58:40
Cou can't play there because he is not fit enough.


27 Aug 2016 14:57:20
at times I thought we where exceptional today. mane looks a beast, matip looks like a confident cb who can also dominate the more typical center forward when the game becomes more physical. I thought we deserved the 3 points today but more importantly I actualy believed we would right until the end. even when spurs scored I thought we can jus go on and score again here. so many things to be positive about I'm jus not sure of the midfield 3 of Hendo, Wijnaldum and lallana. I think he do is a bit to restricted at the minute, Wijnaldum still finding his feet so I don't want to be over critical of the fella but he seems to run around a lot with out doing an awful lot, lallana is well lallana he dilly dailies on the ball far too much but takes up some seriously good positions only if he could produce the goods at the end of it all. wouldn't be surp9to see a midfield 3 of can Hendo and either Wijnaldum or lallana after a few more weeks and everyone fit.
overall happy with performance jus a bit dissapointed we didn't walk away from the lane with 3 points instead of the 1.

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27 Aug 2016 15:04:43
we weill be better once Can fit. For me he is the missing link and Grujic should get a game soon hopefully.


27 Aug 2016 17:37:54
Kj, I agree with you completely. Matip looks cool, competent on the ball and his positioning was almost flawless as Lovren who had a good game, kept lunging into challenges when everyone with a brain knew, he couldn't win the ball. Firmino, Mane, Hendo and Milner had solid afternoons, as well. But the usual suspects like Clyne, Lallana and Gini are still killing us. Clyne's errors have cost us two goals in two successive games already. Lallana is just awful offensively and defensively and literally chickened out of a challenge by Alderweireld when he should have cut inside and shot. Gini? Well, I'm still waiting for someone to show me what he's actually good at and why he's starting all the time.


27 Aug 2016 23:57:35
For gods sake get off Clyne's back. he is one of the best full backs in the Premier League. The supporters on this site are so fickle. Lallana works his socks off for the side as does Milner who gets so much rubbish on here.
Lets just support Klopp. Its a work in progress. There will always be games when players perform well and some dont.
I am fed up up with supporters ripping our players.


28 Aug 2016 13:39:32
Pate, if you think that Clyne is one of the best fullbacks in the PL then I fear for you. I never slagged off Milner as he had Avery solid game, nor any other player. I only pointed out their repeated errors that they keep making and u did not debunk any of the facts I posted either. And if Clyne was that good, why is Klopp trying to replace him long term? Lallana works his socks of. That's it? You know what, so does Firmino, Coutinho, Hendo, Mane the lot, YET they offer much more than he does. You don't see something wrong with that? I and many of us on here, do so please, stop lecturing others about supporting the club because I have supported LFC for over 30 years.


27 Aug 2016 14:55:45
If I put aside my most idealistic liverpool fan self to the side for a sec. I would say that 4 points heading into the International break was an ideal target once the fixtures came out. arsenal and tottenham away inside the first 3 games!? ye I think we've done well, even tho the results have come unexpectedly lol

I really feel for Hendo. I think that he would be better served playing where Lallana is and then either Lallana or Coutinho start from the left wing spot. Stewart / Lucas to start in the holding role as it is more natural for them. Hendo is better when he can go box to box and get involved in the attack. he is wasted playing deep and to me it looks like it is sapping some of his confidence while he recovers from injury too. still trying to learn the position can't be helpful at all.

Final 25-30mins were terrible for us, barely got a touch on the ball and had no control over anything. Matip and lvoren rightly getting praise, but to be fair they were scrambling a lot because of the calamity that was unfolding in front of them. On another day, we get punished. Said it last year and it still applie snow to me, the midfield is just a mess and really needs the balance sorted out!

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27 Aug 2016 16:11:19
4 points out of 9 repeated for the remainder of the season would give us 50 points at the end of the season.

I'd be we'll happy with that.


27 Aug 2016 16:26:03
AggerDo you're saying you'd be happy with 10 points less than last season and nearer the bottom half?


27 Aug 2016 16:31:10
What? That would leave us in 10th place on last season's numbers. I'm expecting much better than that. In the high 60's as a minimum.


27 Aug 2016 16:31:45
I was taking the proverbial.

4 points out of 9 isn't good enough. We always think we are somehow going to make it back but we don't as we are too inconsistent.

We averaged, I think, losing 6 points per month against champions last season.


27 Aug 2016 17:39:47
It's still early.


27 Aug 2016 18:53:53
4 points away from home against 2 of last season's top 4 is something to be happy about IMO.


27 Aug 2016 19:39:42
Bottom line is still > are we better than last year or not? I believe we are. Defense looks sorted with Matip and Lovren (Milner will do okay if he continues like today) . Attack seems sorted. Our bench is deeper with more quality. The only question is midfield and that will find itself as the season goes on. Many don't see it or understand it, but obviously Klopp has a plan. I'm positive and looking forward to an exciting season ahead.


27 Aug 2016 20:49:02
Surely 9 out of 9 would be ideal. 4 is tolerable. Waiting to for certain doomsayers to eat their words: we started with the same midfield and dominated Spurs, hardly getting slaughtered was it.


27 Aug 2016 21:46:01
Sorry but the defeat at Burnley was unacceptable if you have aspirations of challenging for honours.


28 Aug 2016 02:23:18
Chanpions don't let thise results detail their season. It seems you would tesr sh*t up at the first sight of trouble frankly, so I'm off your bandwagon, no doubt.


27 Aug 2016 14:51:29
Right for me we shouldn't be looking for blame and slagging off every player that makes a wrong decision every game - that is not what a supporter does.

I thought it was a good game, and bottom line (in my opinion of course) :

We played well, were the better team
Created better chances
Lovren and Matip had a great game at the back
Mane outstanding

This is truly something to build on. If we play like that every week and consistently get sharper on shots etc we will have a good season.

For once I would like to see less negative critics, and just a simple well done lads, 100% effort put in and good display - proud of the desire shown.

As I say just my opinion but it's sad to see some just slagging players off instead of supporting the team.

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27 Aug 2016 15:19:22
Agree with you JimJam.

Today our keeper was "pathetic", Clyne was a "liability", our fullbacks were "terrible", our defence was "awful", our midfield was "weak" and "pathetic", Coutinho was "wasteful", Lallana was a "liability" and Klopp was "clueless" and got the set up wrong.

So all in all it was a brilliant result 😄.


27 Aug 2016 15:57:16
Well put Jimjam. Les try to be positive, it was a good game and we made Spurs look ordinary at times.


27 Aug 2016 14:49:12
Good performance today from the Reds, should have picked up all three points. Mane was really impressive, his pace, workrate and quality was on the display today. I was also impressed by Matip, he was composed and commanding at the back. One sloppy error cost us the win, with Milner being out of position. Hopefully we get a player or 2 before Wednesday's deadline. YNWA.

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27 Aug 2016 14:58:59
Change your name to Matip is boss, because he was.
At last, progress in the central defence.
Good performance and unlucky not to win.


27 Aug 2016 19:29:43
A multitude of errors occurred leading to their goal. But why not just target the scapegoat position of left-back? Join the mob.

Clyne was missing at the back post - with Mane trying cover for him - and Mane was also caught trying to cover for Hendo at the same time - as he had gone completely AWOL in watching Alli on the edge of the box.

These things happen - but why look objectively. let's just jump on the bandwagon and blame Milner, eh. Or be like others blaming Migs. What a joke.


27 Aug 2016 20:24:36
Milner wrongly anticipates dier to come short for the ball and is down over the top. This is the fatal mistake for their equaliser, there is no hiding from this. It's a sloppy error. I'm not jumping on any bandwagon. Mignolet should also do better for Rose's shot.


27 Aug 2016 14:42:34
Would have taken a point before the game but feel like we should have all 3. Need to be more clinacle infront of goal! C'mon red men YNWA.

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27 Aug 2016 17:43:41
We should definitely have won that game with the way we totally dominated them yet another upteenth individual error got them back in it. That is what was frustrating.


27 Aug 2016 14:37:43
We played well but same issues come to the fore again and will continue to do so.

Issue #1: Full-backs. Milner played OK and is certainly better than Moreno - but that doesn't mean he is the answer. Caught out for the Spurs goal and, as he is a midfielder by trade, expect those sort of mistakes to happen with regularity. As for Clyne? Woeful distribution for the entire game, woeful defending and highlighted by the Spurs goal, were he challenged the same man as Matip leaving Rose free at the back. It's shocking. 3 games in and in every one of them fullbacks have cost us goals yet we show no signs of amending this issue.

Issue #2: Midfield. Henderson is limited in a defensive role, it is obvious to see. He runs round and tackles hard but he is not allowed any creative freedom and it stifles his game. As for Lallana? He is a waste of space in midfield. Dithers on the ball every single time, never makes a tackle and contributes nothing. Wijnaldum is the same story, different player - does little top nothing in a attack, has an awful passing range, and rarely if ever makes a tackle. Two bodies in midfield who add nothing. And they seem to be Klopp's preferred choice. I know everyone loves Klopp but this team selection is baffling.

Issue #3: Goalkeeper. Was not so apparent in this game, to be fair to Mignolet, but of course the sooner Karius is back the better.

These issues will continue to see us drop points.

Special mentions to Mane, Firmino and Matip - all 3 were excellent today and deserved to win the game.

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27 Aug 2016 14:49:28
Migs obviously wasn't at fault for the goal, but it really infuriates me how he falls backwards and twists his body on some saves. it's like sometimes he's scared of the ball!


27 Aug 2016 14:53:45
Can't we just say good effort team, great desire and performance to build on - without our first comments always being negative criticisms?


{Ed001's Note - surely you only improve by pointing out the errors?}

27 Aug 2016 14:56:28
good review seano also not playing a natural goalscorer, those countinho chances should have been put away, from that range the goalkeeper should not have a chance, sturridge should have been on the field earlier also, performance wise we were a lot better than last week, but goals win games and I feared the worst when mane had his goal disallowed and prior to that we passed up those goalden chances.


27 Aug 2016 17:46:51
Spot on Seano. Maybe it was due to injury but Couts was off the boil today. And you're right. Only Klopp can explain to us why Gini and Lallana keep starting in midfield, leaving us lightweight and unbalanced in midfield.


27 Aug 2016 19:36:34
Yeah, ed001. But spotting positives when they occur is also good. The OP lumping in Migs as a scapegoat for no good reason is hardly reasonable. Easier to join the mob, it seems.


28 Aug 2016 02:13:46
Mugs had nothing to do with the goal. He came out to narrow the angle and Rose scored with the outside of his foot which happens. Had Milner and Clyne did their jobs, he wouldn't have needed to do that. Lumping him in is just wrong and disingenuous.


28 Aug 2016 13:11:48
I wasn't lumping him in as a scapegoat, I said he was one of three major issues our team has (based on the season so far NOT just the Spurs game) . It's true he didn't do much wrong against Spurs - but he was at fault in both the Arsenal and Burnley game and, the brutal truth remains, he is nowhere near good enough.


27 Aug 2016 14:37:26
I love this site, the eds put in a lot of hard work and it's much appreciated. But some of the chat on here is awful. Slagging off every player and Klopp. Firmino is awful, he gave the ball away too much. But so did mane in the last 20 minutes and he was by far and away our best player in the first half. i'd rather they try something and it doesn't come off than just pass sideways, he made our pen and our best chance. He may not have been great but he works his socks off and creates and scores. Hendo getting slated again, I thought his passing was much better today. It was a frantic game there was always going to be mistakes, half the team were out of position for their goal, but doesn't mean every play it terrible. If it continues like This it's not gunna be long before there is a Klopp out campaign, he's the best manager we have had for years. As 1-1 draws go, that was a great one to watch. It's just pathetic when we concede, suddenly half the site go into self destruct mode. We just got an away draw at a team that were five places above us last year, no a terrible result, yes we should have won, they were poor, but it's not the end of the world!

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27 Aug 2016 15:46:14
Same result as last season.


27 Aug 2016 17:50:18
I agree that it's still early and I actually was hoping for a draw today. Having said that, we definitely should have won today as we dip instead them and should have been three up already before they scored and the same culprits are costing us goals as well because Clyne just cost us another goal in two straight games. That is what is frustrating.


27 Aug 2016 14:35:29
Well a 1-1 draw

We probably deserved the win and we were unlucky with a few moments in the game, I thought.

I was impressed with Milner and Matip at the back today. Matip seemed to help Lovren out a lot today, and while Milner is clearly a little shakey playing in an unfamiliar fullback role, I thought he had a good game today and got one with his work well.

Henderson was very good I though especially for the first hour. After that we lost it a bit in midfield and Spurs started to dominate.

Mane looked quick and dangerous but a little rash too and was probably lucky to stay on the pitch. He was also at fault for their goal and let Rose get in round the back to score.

Firmino was his usual classy self and caused problems for them. Countino was okay too but really should have scored in the first half. 2-0 would have been a very different game, as we all know.

Wijnaldum I thought was better today, still think he needs time but I was pleased with him. Lallana was frustrating though and slow for most the game and his offside was just lazy.

I would replace Lallana with Can, Stewart or Grujic depending on what Klopp wants from the midfield.

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27 Aug 2016 14:52:26
Aside from his one error of letting the cross come in on their goal, Milner had a good game. Far far better than Moreno. Offers the same attacking thrust as Moreno (or even better) without the defensive risks. What concerns me is the reduced playing time for Origi and Sturridge while Lallana and Wijnaldum are starting every game. I'd move Firmino back into midfield, and start Origi or Sturridge every game. Play the 4-2-3-1 with Henderson and Can, and Coutinho, Firmino and Mane below the striker.


27 Aug 2016 14:33:44
4 pts out of 9 from three away games that include Arsenal and Spurs is good boys. Next game ANFIELD!

On another note, my friend's lad who plays Burnley u16s, played against City u16s today and he was up against Gerrard's cousin who was immense! Why at City! doh!

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27 Aug 2016 14:48:36
You make it sound good by missing out the fact burnley beat us 2-0, and Klopp keeps playing the same rubbish players in wrong positions. I don't like to be negative but I can see the same old problems going on all season. Klopp doesn't seam to want to address it. Where the hell, is the poor lad grucic?


27 Aug 2016 14:54:46
The same old rubbish players? Hm who's that then?

Very respectful.


27 Aug 2016 15:07:59
Gina and lallana were awful mate, I'm not going to come on here and be "positive" for the sake of it.


27 Aug 2016 15:11:02
We will win more games than draw if we play like that this season. Sometimes it is what it is and you got to accept what you've got.

If we would have lost to Arsenal, beat Burnley 3-0 and drew 1-1 to Spurs does that make the 4pts more acceptable. Should we win every game?

We beat Arsenal when that was the hardest game, should have beat Burnley but they scored in the first 100 seconds which played right to their strength. Burnley are one of the strongest defensive teams in the league, mark my words. 80% possession and we lose 2-0, Burnley did what they should do and fair play to them. There not going to play attacking footy against us because we would hammer them. And today, we edged the game today but drew. It happens. Is it really that bad!


27 Aug 2016 16:16:47
We always make comments like we will win more than we lose if we play like that
Or I'd be happy with 4 points out of games tat include arsenal and spurs away.

For the past 26 years. It is this sort of approach that gets us minimal CL league qualification in the last 10!years.

We have to have higher expectations and drive to be better.


27 Aug 2016 14:32:31
Well played game despite the draw. Lallana is the weak link in this team. The only benefit he offers is some forward pressing but Grujic could be taught to do the same. The rest, everyone else has already mentioned. Klopp's patience will run out with him, soon. Impressed by Matip. Cool, calm collected and always able to find someone open for a pass. And you can see how scared defenders are when Mane has the ball and is running at them. The man is a dynamo. Finally a better game from Henderson. Will the real Wijnaldum stand up please? I have no idea what he is supposed to be doing.

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27 Aug 2016 14:29:41
Frustrated. Make it worse rose mis hit his shot. Gutted I am.

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27 Aug 2016 14:29:14
Very good performance overall. Unfortunately we will get caught out all season as we don't have even one decent full back in the senior squad.

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27 Aug 2016 14:26:42
Surprised we haven't left with 3 points lads. Just lacking in some match sharpness. Could be worse. Got some tough matches out of the way and now the break to finish the window and increase fitness levels.

We are going to be just fine this season! Keep the faith.

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27 Aug 2016 14:34:19
Yeah I think we'll be okay. definitely won't finish Top 4 like this though, no Champions League next season we'll be 5th to 8th. 4 points from 9 is mid table.


27 Aug 2016 14:40:19
A bit disappointed not to take the three points but we played really well today. Three away games out of the way and now back to Anfield.
Well done lads.


27 Aug 2016 14:26:08
Right everyone, a point today at spurs, not the worse result but I can't help but feel that we deserved 3 and spurs will be happier with that result. I don't know what dirt lallana has on klopp but he has to be replaced perhaps by ojo or grujic.

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{Ed091's Note - I feel it's more that GW needs to drop out. Lallana was okay today.

27 Aug 2016 14:39:47
wijnaldum looks a poor buy a present, does very little, Lallana is ok but doesn't do enough and he looks worse when played with the dutch fella.
Must be a better paring surely, also subs not brought into game quick enough, 60 mins is the time in these type of games.


27 Aug 2016 14:41:02
Lallanas fault for gaol ed, there both a liability in the middle and Klopp is an idiot for not changing it.


{Ed001's Note - it was Milner's fault initially, he went forward when he should have dropped off and then was too far away to challenge Dier and stop the cross. The second error was Clyne's, his usual weakness of being too far over on the cover, when he should have held outside the post and been in position to put a challenge on Rose or attempt to block the shot. Lallana was woeful, again, but he was not at fault for that.}

27 Aug 2016 14:43:18
we should of had the 3 points tho, spuds were for the taking today.


27 Aug 2016 14:49:15
Still believe that the off-side goal should have stood , he was level with defender, linesman got it wrong, and if couts was more clinical, we would be going home with 3 points .


27 Aug 2016 14:52:52
Clyne had to track lamelas run because lallana didn't, leaving rose free. Guess we all see it differently.

What I care more about is the fact Klopp keeps playing Gw and lallana. I'm sick of it already 3 games in.


{Ed001's Note - Lallana was the man there challenging, Clyne should have passed him over and held out wider. Poor decision making by the fullback.}

27 Aug 2016 14:37:08
Ed91, Lallanas offside was just lazy and probably cost us the win as 2-0 would have seen us win I think.

Needs replacing for next game I think.


{Ed091's Note - I don't think lallana being offside cost us a 2 nil win. That's a bit stupid.

28 Aug 2016 01:04:26
Lazy? He sprinted from our box to the edge of theirs and was a toe offside. Hardly laziness.


27 Aug 2016 14:24:22
Good performance, deserved more, would have brought subs on earlier.

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27 Aug 2016 14:33:44
I cannot understand how lallana get selected before Origi and Sturridge. I never liked this false number 9 and not convinced at all with Firmino in this role despite the lucky penalty. I know it didn't work with Sturridge last league game but we saw midweek what he could do. If BR would keep playing players out of position, i. e. Milner, Firmino etc, he would be slaughtered here. Not a terrible result but if you lose to Burnly you have to pick 3 points against the better teams.


27 Aug 2016 13:36:34
Think Mane should be coming off fairly sharpish.

I'd prefer Klopp to sub him rather than Bobby Madely to give him a second yellow!

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27 Aug 2016 16:39:37
Mane is the only danger we posed so far. We have no pace bar Mane and we'll look extraordinary without him,


28 Aug 2016 00:23:01
Please note that my initial post was made literally after Mane made that rash challenge early in the second half.


27 Aug 2016 13:06:15
I definitely see what's the Eds mean when they talk about Lallana

The amount of times he's been in a position to pass it to a teammate and he just dithers about having it nicked from him

So frustrating!

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27 Aug 2016 13:23:35
Was about to say the same mate! So frustrating how many touches does he need! Then his final ball is atrocious, think he may need to be taken off soon going to cost us a goal.


27 Aug 2016 13:26:58
It is annoying because he often finds good space but it's like the game goes into slow motion when he gets the ball.


27 Aug 2016 13:34:56
He is guilty of slowing down some counter attacks due to the slowness of his play; not playing too badly but I'd prefer Stewart in there myself.


27 Aug 2016 14:29:25
Anyone else in that position near the end would have dummied the tackle from alderweireld and been left one on one with the keeper. Lallana decided to take a touch and was blocked, U could see the frustration on firmino hitting the ground. Iv said it before he is a weak link in an otherwise decent attack.


27 Aug 2016 13:04:24
Credit where it is due. Mane is giving all he can. Hope Wijnaldum makes a guest appearance and gets some touches in the last 10 mins of second half.

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27 Aug 2016 12:09:25
Getting nervous now. With another international break after today we don't want to lose this one. Last season saw us lose virtually all our games before international breaks. Having to wait for a couple of weeks is great if you win, but awful if you lose.

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27 Aug 2016 11:48:35
All ready for the match let's hope it's a good game from us. Shame Grujic is not starting. See klopp is not going for a natural striker up front also. Just wondered on the ed's thoughts on teams that play a false 9 type role, also the constant switching of positions for the front men. I know it's part of modern footy and does make it more difficult for defenders to mark, I just prefer a natural striker in the middle for the chances that fall.

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{Ed002's Note - Klopp's criteria for players is based around them running very quickly. Firmini is better suited to that than the more traditional style of centre forward.}

27 Aug 2016 14:42:10
I find firmino a little lightweight and slow still, hopefully he will get a bit stronger and quicker as season progresses.
Good technical ability but needs a bit more I think in this league.


27 Aug 2016 10:48:23
Looking forward to today's game, i would like to Grujic and Matip start. I think they will add more defensively. 2-0 to the reds.

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27 Aug 2016 11:10:10
Hope so.


27 Aug 2016 11:43:34
Gruic on bench.


27 Aug 2016 11:48:10
That team does not fill me with confidence but hopefully they prove me wrong.


27 Aug 2016 12:10:35
Think we should have started Stewart alongside Henderson for more defensive cover but hopefully Wijnaldum can do the job.


27 Aug 2016
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27 aug 2016 10:45:43
anyone read the martin keown comments about us on the bbc sport page,
the man has no knowledge of this club and what its doing one iota yet feels the need to knock us down and say were not good enough.
look closer to home pal, i don't see your lot pulling any trees up, you get nowt for 4th lad.

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27 Aug 2016 11:10:33
Same here, I find it so irritating reading articles like that.


27 Aug 2016 11:28:51
Guys, when a neutral journalist days something negative about Liverpool that's not a call to arms to attack him. We see everything through red-tinted glasses, an outside perspective should be seen as useful insight not something to scorn.


{Ed002's Note - I agree, it is embarrassing.}

27 Aug 2016 11:39:36
Keown is right.

Cracking player I thought.


27 Aug 2016 11:58:40
Naah sorry don't agree, if this mans comments were remotely anything like true i'd agree but in particular his comments on Klavan are way off, sorry this is a banter page is it not? what's embarrassing about opinions?


{Ed002's Note - This post has attracted a whole bunch of embarrassing comments and some abuse. There have also been some idiotic comments and it is simply typical of the Liverpool fans embarrassing themselves due to an inability to rationalise a position and have to resort to the cretinous and laughable comments like "look closer to home pal, i don't see your lot pulling any trees up, you get nowt for 4th lad".}

27 Aug 2016 12:43:53
I saw this post and went straight to the article, Martin Keown is bang on the money with his analysis of us in the first 2 games of the season.

Henderson does not have the discipline to sit in front of the back 4 all game, not the passing ability to get the ball into Firmino, Mane and Coutinho when we counter. I believe Emre Can is better at holding, but his passing is only marginally bette rthan Hendo.

Klavan has not yet shown he is as good as Skrtel, but Matip is now fit. He was not up to standard for the Burnley game. Fair enough CLyne lost possession, but that should not end up in a goal, although it was a great finish to be fair. The Andre Gray goal angered me especially, the lad waltzes around our defenders who stand off and give him space for the shot, and Klavan was the main culprit in that.

Moreno is a liability, but Klopp defending him only to drop him is a bit daft too.

Anyone who reads that piece and disagrees completely has no knowledge of football. You may disagree with parts but there is clear truth in a lot of it.


27 Aug 2016 13:12:15
I agree with some and disagree with other parts. It was not irrational or biased or hateful or ignorant. Just his opinion.


27 Aug 2016 13:32:41
It's really not even worth commenting about, is it?

Some guy says something negative against us on the internet? Who cares? It's the classic 'everyone's against us mentality' that makes us fans look stupid

Move on, nothing to see here.


26 Aug 2016 22:15:23
What is the problem with Raymond Verheijens constant criticism of Klopps training methods. Did they work together before and have a falling out? He should keep his nose out imo.

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{Ed001's Note - he criticises everyone to get publicity for his crappy method.}

27 Aug 2016 08:17:52
Hi Ed's,

What fo you make of Klopp's answers when questioned on injuries, he always seems to say -
"Its minor, its not serious"

I don't like the way players are getting injured. Not too sure if its because of the Training methods.

Hope you can share your views.
Thanks.


{Ed001's Note - they are minor niggles. Players always get injured, it is what happens, the issue is they are just not fit enough, not being pushed hard enough, they are too pampered.}

27 Aug 2016 09:53:03
Ed, Klopp has been here a year now. Are you saying that in 12 months he hasn't been able to get the players fit enough? . It so, when do you expect him to do so.


27 Aug 2016 10:04:08
What people need to learn is that all these "experts" and "pundits" actually know nothing special about the game, hence why they are on twitter or match of the day, instead of in the dugout. Their knowledge is nothing more than subjective assumption based on time watching or playing the game or sport in general. So what makes their views better than those on this site?

Look at Gary Neville. Everyone thought he was a great pundit because he was passionate and funny, but I was always left thinking he had just waffled about nonsense. When he seemed correct, he had only ever stated the obvious and his analysis was no different to what me and my mates would discuss at the pub; the only difference being he had a fancy touch screen. His lack of actual ability as a tactician was brutally exposed in both the England job and the Valencia job. A real coach (Pako) who does not need to toot his own horn on live TV took over the exact same team and improved them not only dramatically, but also instantly.

My outlook is that unless they can back up their opinions with actual success in the coaching side of sport, then it is just that; their opinion. Doesn't necessarily make it irrelevant, wrong or bad. It just means their opinion carries no more weight than your average fan like me, you and the Eds.

So whilst listening to the pundits and respecting their opinions is okay, don't take it as gospel! Raymond is just another Neville, tooting his own horn louder than everyone else because he thinks criticising the professionals and shouting down everyone else gives him credibility.


27 Aug 2016 11:20:59
Post of the day.


27 Aug 2016 00:34:38
Balotelli has now agreed to join Palermo after talks with Nice broke down and Couthino has been declared fit for the game against Spurs.

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27 Aug 2016 03:03:45
I skim read that as Coutinho to join Palermo and almost had a heart attack.


 
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