Liverpool Banter Archive August 27 2015

27 Aug 2015 22:08:06
Lazar Markovic on loan to Fenerbahce. One of the worst and stupid decision by the club ever. Trying to protect his own pet Lallana.

I pray BR regrets.

27 Aug 2015 23:40:08
Well normally I'd say loaning a kid out is a good thing, however Markovic, despite his rough edges, really does bring almost the same as Lallana to the table. And since I'd rather see Can over Lallana every day and therefore have the other coming from the bench, I would totally prefer Markovic subbing in over Lallana.

27 Aug 2015 23:42:56
Why do you pray he regrets it? That would mean the club is in a bad situation wouldn't it?

28 Aug 2015 00:20:38
EG, I know Markovic is your favorite but your comment is a bit messed up. The only way Rodgers could possibly regret this (if it's even true that is) is if Liverpool do badly and Markovic plays so well that it's inconceivable he wouldn't have improved the team.

Let's forget the possibility of Markovic being that good for a second and focus on the fact that you've announced you want Liverpool to do badly. Not cool dude.

28 Aug 2015 05:31:05
That would mean similar like Lucas. I hate people when they are biased to certain players. This loan has nothing to do with the lad. BR doesn't prefer him nor like him and think Lallana is a better player than Markovic which is not.

People were all over when Lucas was heading out. But Markovic loan makes sense?

28 Aug 2015 07:08:57
Why put words in EG's mouth? He didn't say once that he hoped LFC will do bad. This is a very bad move by the club if true, how can Lallana play 90 min every match when fit(no disrespect i like the lad but he is like a more offensive joe allen, he is there and he likes running with the ball and that's it) but a special talent with amazing potential doesn't get a chance?

28 Aug 2015 08:23:50
He is not ready and needs regular consistent game time. Ibe came back a better player after a couple of good loans.

Cant understand the complaining tbh, he will not get ahead of firmino, couts and sturridge when fit so would spend the majority of the time in the stand or on the bench.

This way he either improves and comes back a confident exciting player or gets sold at the end of the season, fairly binary decision for me.

27 Aug 2015 20:10:05
eds, just wondering when the europa group stage draw is?

{Ed002's Note - Tomorrow. Except for those hanging on for the sponsored party this evening, most of the contingent from today left this afternoon - Nice airport's General Aviation Terminal was chaotic at Five with chartered small jets arriving for tomorrow and leaving after today. Quite a number of folks have headed off to various hotels and private homes to discuss transfers further.}

27 Aug 2015 21:29:00
Was you in Nice for the draw ed2?

{Ed002's Note - I was in Monaco but like many did not go in for the draw.}

28 Aug 2015 09:41:40
Could you save me some volovants and cheese on toothpicks please?

27 Aug 2015 17:11:35
Excited about this latest addition to our team! I hear this Sturridge lad could do great things for us!

27 Aug 2015 19:46:55
Let's just hope it's not a short term loan from the medical room.

Red Rum

28 Aug 2015 08:27:20
Thats quite funny red rum, for a change. 😉

27 Aug 2015 15:00:20
Hi Eds,

Great to see Sturridge back in training on the LFC website. but out of all the photos where is our No.9?? Benteke not in one of them. Hope he's not injured.

{Ed001's Note - I don't know, I haven't heard of any serious fitness issues regarding him, he might just have been having a rest or doing a different training.}

27 Aug 2015 17:55:16
Hendo and Gomez were also missing, are they doubtful for weekend Ed?

{Ed001's Note - Hendo is, not sure about Gomez, Square Tomato might know though.}

27 Aug 2015 18:45:26
Rodgers decided he doesn't rate Benteke after his lengthy spell in the team, Liverpool can't register all their players so he's going to stick him with the u21's until someone meets his £105m buy out clause.

27 Aug 2015 18:50:27
big man might just be off taking a p*ss

27 Aug 2015 22:30:01
I heard he's going to play him as a midfielder because we are down to our last couple of dozen.

27 Aug 2015 14:08:08
Sakho not getting into the latest France squad, will that make his mind up about leaving or not, or will that spur him on do break into the first team?

27 Aug 2015 14:32:05
depends on his attitude, whether he takes the easy way out

27 Aug 2015 14:42:56
I said before Sakho once again really needs to start thinking about his future as a footballer,im sure if he's made available there will be plenty of suitors. I don't think he'll get a fair crack of the whip here,we have enough central defenders to cover him moving on.

27 Aug 2015 14:51:12
Facts are he's not wanted by a managed who is known for sticking to his players and he's going to want to be playing in the euros for France at the end of the season if I was him i'd be off

27 Aug 2015 15:16:27
It's not about "taking the easy way out" at all. Sahko IS our best defender, this much should be obvious. Why he's not being picked ahead of Skrtel or Lovren is beyond me.

People say that he's clumsy on the ball, but that just isn't true. Would you say Crouch is clumsy on the ball just because he looked it? I think it was in his first game and almost his first touch of the ball(Sahko) and he pulls off this skillful flick and turn which totally screwed up the guy pressing him, then he got the pass away.

I know he was the guy that passed the ball to Gerrard who slipped but guys, get over it.

27 Aug 2015 15:52:31
No surprise really he came back into the team for the hammering at Stoke and was dreadful, France have far better than him

27 Aug 2015 16:14:56
@HSF
Why would you replace Skrtel or Lovren at the moment when they've held 3 clean sheets?? Not saying their better than Sakho but I'm happy he's put a partnership together and sticking with them - that's the only way you create a good defence you match them and stick with them for a good run of games - If you were Skrtel or Lovren now after keeping 3 clean sheets and get dropped for the next game then how would you feel honestly? Their job is to keep clean sheets along with Migs and they've done it haven't they?

27 Aug 2015 16:52:52
Norfolk, taking the easy way out? That is an odd comment coming from someone who clearly doesn't know who Sahko is. Sahko started for PSG at 16 and was captain as well. You tell me what's easy about that? He is our best CB and the clumsiness on the ball is just rubbish. Agger was elegant on the ball yet got bullied by other strikers. The striker that can bully Sahko in the PL hasn't been born yet, IMO. The boy can defend period and that should be the main point and not worthless aesthetics. He has a manager who won't pick him not because he's not good enuff, but because he never wanted him here YET he oversaw his arrival and played him a lot. That is not fair competition. That is favoritism.

P/S: For anyone to even try to blame Sahko for SG miscontrolling a pretty easy pass to his feet, is by far, the most disgraceful piece if rubbish I've ever heard of.

27 Aug 2015 16:57:07
We have replaced Sakho last summer with Lovren. get over it guys.

27 Aug 2015 18:28:16
Instead of fighting for his place at PSG he put in a transfer request. That's probably what Norfolk meant by the easy way out.

27 Aug 2015 18:29:31
i don't like sakho. Just doesn't look right on his feet. Bit like a new born bambi? He may of captained psg but we not psg. I don't blame him for the slip but it was the wrong ball, let him go an take you're with him. Free up the pecking order likes of ilori I say.

27 Aug 2015 18:57:04
3 clean sheets speaks for itself.
cant get away from the fact that big sakho looks clumsy to me - which makes him look like he has a mistake just waiting to pop out as far as i can see.
what we have is working for now. can't sakho just wait for his opportunity like all the others currently on the fringes?

Or must we all moan, moan, moan till we get what we want.

27 Aug 2015 19:50:40
3 clean sheets if you count the Arsenal goal and Bournemouth goal both (incorrectly) chalked off. Sakho is our best defender. Lucas is our best DM.

27 Aug 2015 20:05:24
Boy you would think Liverpool have been the only team ever that gained an advantage from an officials mistake. Records will show 3 clean sheets. Move on.

27 Aug 2015 21:15:50
3 clean sheets does not speak for its self at all. Not when you consider the opposition and the form they were/are in.

Stoke have improved their squad lately, but they're not exactly a top team, Bournemouth are a newly promoted side, keeping a clean sheet against them should be guaranteed in all honest and Arsenal are about as toothless as a 94 year old man at the moment. 0 goals in their last 5 home games or something similar. A JOKE!

So why are we celebrating 3 cleans sheets vs the teams we've played? If we'd have kept a clean sheet against an Arsenal that scores goals I'd be happy, but that is not the case.

At the end of the day, Skrtel will cost us goals, probably quite a few. The only reason people think he's so good, is because of the highlight reels he's able to put together. The last ditch tackles and the head injuries he keeps getting from putting his head anywhere he wants. He still plays people onside all the time, he's still not opening his mouth and talking to his team mates and he's still lunging into tackles and pulling shirts 24/7.

I'm not saying Skrtel is a bad player, he's not. But he's not what we need right now. People complained about Carragher not being able to play a high line any more, well Skrtel is even worse at it and has never been able to do it.

27 Aug 2015 21:24:47
That's the sort of comment that opposition fans throw at us, mu got 6 pts from two deflected goals,

27 Aug 2015 21:30:45
Sakho was better than Lovern last year easily, so can feel aggrieved that Lovern took his place in the first three games. I think he is better, he is stronger, better in the air, better passer and more confident. for me he is one of the most elegant players we have. I guess BR gambled on Lovern because he wanted to rebuild his confidence and thought it will be harder to do with him coming from the bench.

Still I understand why Sakho wants to play and prefer to start elsewhere rather than coming from the bench. Exactly like Milner (and very much unlike Borini).

I said couple of day ago that I would try Sakho as a DM. I think he has the skills for this role and I admit that unlike many here I think that Lucas is over-rated, he plays basically as a fifth defender and is partly to be blamed for the fact we don't have midfield game.

But assuming this will not happened hopefully starting three weeks from now we will start to have two games a week so he will play at least once a week.

28 Aug 2015 03:26:08
What I dislike about Sakho is that he does appear to pass other players into trouble. It isn't the technique behind the pass but the actual choice of pass, or the time it takes for him to complete the pass, that bothers me. Not that he does it all the time but he does it enough for me to notice it.

{Ed001's Note - maybe he believes a player should be able to keep the ball under pressure, like he does? Certainly Barca's academy teaches all its players to receive the ball under pressure and deal with it. It is a big part of their success in recent years.}

27 Aug 2015 13:36:04
Ed1 I saw you mention on the spurs page that Liverpool wanted son over firmino.

What stopped us getting him and who did you want more?

I asked last night and I'm not sure how it's measured but who do you think is the better player between Rf & Hms?

{Ed001's Note - he wanted to play in the Champions League, I have no reason to believe that has changed. Right now Son is better, and was the player I wanted us to sign most this summer.}

27 Aug 2015 13:46:37
I would have prefered Firmino due his versatality of playing on flanks. Son is very similar to Countinho at times and might not adapt to the physicality of the league.

Ed01, Y do you think he would move to Spurs?

{Ed001's Note - Son can play as a winger, so how is Firmino more versatile?

I don't think it. I will be shocked if it happens, and gutted.}

27 Aug 2015 13:52:39
Yeah i prefer his pace as both seem very similar but son's great for the counter atyack.

What I will say is firmino is deceptively quick and very continuous in his approach much like suarez was. As you can tell by the amount of dribbles he made last year :)

I dint think wr have lost out too much, if spurs do end up with him but it could get down to negotionations and then he rejects them fingers crossed and w rmogjt have a chance next year if we get champions league :)

27 Aug 2015 13:58:54
That's what I thought, which is why the rumours surfacing of him going to Spurs are strange, and straight after Leverkusen secured their CL place, I don't see why he would drop down to go to Tottenham.

27 Aug 2015 14:13:31
Looks like spurs are getting him :( he's the player i wanted as well.

27 Aug 2015 14:15:51
Son is a typical No.10. A very creative player and wouldn't suit to play either side of a striker in 4-3-3. Firmino could play there.

{Ed001's Note - Son has played regularly as a winger Harry.}

27 Aug 2015 14:57:34
He's not going to Spurs - they're just to trying to scare West brom, because the last thing they want at the minute is an unhappy sulky player left with them. On top of that they need the money and have already bought a replacement.

27 Aug 2015 14:59:48
In response to Firminos versatility I would say he can play all the positions Son plays but he can also play centre forward as he has done for the Brazil national team.
I haven't checked his stats but I imagine Firminos goal ratio is similar to Sons, his assist stats are probably better as are his tackling stats. I would definitely take Firmino. Just my tuppence worth.

{Ed001's Note - I am happy with Firmino but Son plays centre forward for his country, as an out and out striker, on a regular basis.}

27 Aug 2015 15:14:41
Son is not a typical No.10, Harry. Have u never watched him play? His best position is as a left sided forward who likes to cut in. He is also very versatile and powerful so he would have been a tremendous signing for us.

27 Aug 2015 15:15:24
Give it a rest ey H.

Your argument is off straight away because there both not wingers but if one is going to do a better job there then it is son.

Firmino will be spectacular if he is played behind benteke, he cab also lead the line very well.

To be fair we could of found space for both of the them in the squad.

27 Aug 2015 15:27:37
Harry mate you have something to say about every single player. There is no way you could possibly be watching every football match ever to make such a definitive statement about their position. For instance you talk about Markovic being like "Robben at the world cup" even though Benfica used him mostly as a right winger and he himself says his favourite position is a left winger.

27 Aug 2015 16:55:24
I wanted Firmino last summer instead of Lallana. Son/Depay for Sterling.

27 Aug 2015 16:56:44
Son was who I wanted as well. He is just a beast. Pace, power, adroit with both feet, can play anywhere in the forward line without missing a beat, can score and can create and assist. The true modern day attacker. But I'll take Firmino.

27 Aug 2015 16:59:17
I think for us firmino is the better fit. With Lucas and Coutinho in the squad playing in that midfield can only be positive and will help him in settle in quicker and hopefully be more effective.

I also think he is far more physical than Son which as we all know can make or break an EPL player.

27 Aug 2015 18:21:38
son plays a lot on the left side. a winger, with pace. yet you say he's a no 10. i'm confused, i thought u liked wingers with pace.

bt firmino last summer and son now does sound nice harry. too bad it didn't happen.

27 Aug 2015 18:31:52
Firmino is a class player. Not worried about anyone else.

27 Aug 2015 11:27:52
Everyone saying Ibe will be better than raheem, how about young Ojo? Can he be even better?

27 Aug 2015 13:40:47
Saying this kind of thing too soon is part of the reason Ibe has been awful no doubt!

27 Aug 2015 13:47:50
Who on earth is Raheem to emulate? Christ we have this habbit of making our own 100 Messi.

27 Aug 2015 13:47:54
Everyone saying Ibe will be better than Sterling. The same people are now saying Ibe should left out of the team, for Moreno, a left back.

Welcome to Liverpool Rumours.

27 Aug 2015 14:47:23
I, for once, agree with Harry

27 Aug 2015 14:52:19
Been a realist, I don't believe Ibe possesses the versatility that Raheem Sterling has, that has been evident in the last three games. I do rate him highly though, I'm just saying what I see!!

27 Aug 2015 14:54:02
Why is raheem to emulate? Because he became worth £49m.

27 Aug 2015 15:16:30
Can't Ibe and Ojo just be the best 'they' can be? I hate comparisons, as still remember the next Zidane and how that turned out!

27 Aug 2015 15:42:25
Keith - Bruno Cheyrou? what a player1

27 Aug 2015 16:04:22
What about the Welsh Xavi.

That worked out well so I am all for making comparisons

27 Aug 2015 17:01:21
Sterling became the player he was because he got endless chances to play in the first team hence, improve and learn from Suarez, Studge and Couts in a system that played to his strengths. Does Ibe have that? Don't think so hence, leave the boy alone and let him be the best he can be and to those calling a child who's still learning the game aweful because he had one bad game, hang your heads in shame.

28 Aug 2015 01:09:56
Young Jordan Ibe has had a world of pressure heaped on his shoulders by the manager,the fans and ex-player columnists saying 'he can be better than Raheem','he's better than Raheem','who needs Raheem,we have Jordan Ibe and as a result,his game has gone to shit.As 'Red' rightly explained,Sterling was playing in a rampant team that oozed confidence, a team that were scoring goals for fun,in fact,a team that my missus could have comfortably performed well in,young Jordan has yet to be presented with that opportunity.Coming on from the bench will be good for him for the time-being.

27 Aug 2015 10:42:50
Bye bye Ballo, I had hoped that Liverpool would be the club where you finally fulfilled your potential but it was not to be. I hope you find success at AC Milan, partly because I'm pretty sure that you're a lovely guy, partly because I hope you show your value and we can get back a chunk of the money we invested in you.

27 Aug 2015 09:43:21
Ed I know it's not transfer related but I have a quick question someone might be able to answer.
Liverpool play West Brom at home on the 12 of Dec but last Europa Lg game is fixed for the 10th does that mean Liverpools game will be moved from sat 3pm to Sun.

{Ed001's Note - if the club requests it, yes.}

27 Aug 2015 15:43:25
Cheers, Thanks for the reply.

27 Aug 2015 06:57:31
Morning eds/reds,

Loan update from this weeks league cup action.

Ojo played the full 90 and scored what turned out to be the winner as Wolves beat Barnet to progress to the 3rd round.

Wisdom played the full 90 and assisted what turned out to be the winner as Norwich won 2-1 against Rotherham

27 Aug 2015 07:20:46
saw the goal scored by Ojo, decent goal that.

thanks carra.

27 Aug 2015 10:22:29
Thank you for taking the time to do these updates for us 23carragold.

27 Aug 2015 14:07:08
No worries Phoinix,

I'm quite enjoying following them and keeping an eye on their progress. Give it a month or so and I will give a detailed breakdown of all their progress so far this season

27 Aug 2015 17:18:30
Thanks, Carra! Hopefully Ojo will get his chance but as for Wisdom, I think his time is gone. Three straight years, three straight loans? That can't be good.

27 Aug 2015 03:25:55
Hello eds!!!!! Is balotelli going to ac Milan permanently or is it just a loan move which would see him back at Liverpool???
Iam interested with your view on the boy Skertl. Y do not rate the defender????

{Ed001's Note - loan.

Skrtel is too rash, doesn't communicate with his team mates, gets bullied by any physical attacker he faces and drops too deep creating open spaces behind the rest of the defence for us to be attacked from.}

27 Aug 2015 06:08:53
Summed it up perfectly, Ed.

27 Aug 2015 07:54:35
Still our best defender by a long way

{Ed001's Note - no he is not. He is not even close to our best defender when they are on the same pitch together as Skits is usually allowing himself to be hopelessly out of position.}

27 Aug 2015 09:06:00
But you have got to love his zeal and passion

{Ed001's Note - he does try on the pitch, he was also happy to demand a move even when, at the time, he was a regular in the team and throw his toys out of his pram when he didn't get it. If only he would put more effort into learning the major part of his role: positioning.}

27 Aug 2015 09:14:47
So why is he still first CB every game Ed. surely with the new coaching set up someone at that level can see Skirtles faults ?
Could it be that Sakho and Illori are just not impressing in training so we have to stick with Skirtle?
Or is it BR won't just listen to anyone else.

{Ed001's Note - I don't understand it mate, but they feel he is our best bet and that what he brings to the team is worth enough to make up for his glaring deficiencies.}

27 Aug 2015 09:37:45
Experience is one reason, Sakho cannot play on the riht hand side and Lovren predomenantly is a LCB.
We never bought a decent RCB, Ilori is yet to be tested and Gomez has occupied the LB spot.

27 Aug 2015 10:31:34
Br and coaches are not stupid they know how good skertel is, as for throwing his toys out of pram what a load of bs it was because of his age the owners/br thought they could put in a clause in his contact to save money which was pathetic, his agent sorted it Martin was not even involved

{Ed001's Note - what are you talking about? You don't even know what I was referring to, so give it a rest. I was talking about a while back, not this summer. As for this summer, he is inept and lucky to get any kind of contract, let alone one on the ludicrously over the top wages he is currently on. There is a reason why he signed a new deal, and it was because nobody else would give him the stupid money he gets with us, otherwise he would be long gone.}

27 Aug 2015 12:11:57
Last game sakho played we conceded 6. It's not rocket science lol

{Ed001's Note - it is clearly too difficult for you to understand though.}

27 Aug 2015 17:18:17
Imo sakho is the best defender at the club and I will be gutted if he leaves. I seem to remember city being interested a while back ed, when hi and agger both had decent seasons? Is that when skrtle threw a hissy fit. And the only reason skrtle had a decent season is because agger stayed fit and he always sacrificed his own game to accommodate skrtle. If only he could have stayed fit, still think we shouldn't have let him go, loved the club as well

{Ed001's Note - yes, that is when he threw his toys out of the pram, he was desperate to make the move but we couldn't get a replacement in.}

27 Aug 2015 17:25:53
Poky, you're being a right joke right now. You claim that the Ed posted rubbish info yet you have no info to prove him wrong nor do you have any idea about how the contracts are drawn up so stop being an ITK because clearly you know sod all about what you're talking about. Also we did concede six vs Stoke with Sahko in the team. What you conveniently and disgracefully failed to mention was who his CB partner was in that game. The fact that you did not mention such an up inconvenient truth tells me that you and your severely flawed opinion or analysis, are not to be taking seriously. Oh n btw, his CB partner in that game was you guessed it, Martin Skrtel.

26 Aug 2015 19:57:46
Hai Eds banter pls.

I don't remember the exact date, but some 7 years ago, I was literally searching the whole Google to find some details on the transfer rumors, I found you guys on this page. We had no sign off name. only questions and answers and since then this page has become my family.

During this 7 years I have had the most bans ever for any poster on any page. but like Lucas I sticked to it as I know this is the only page I belong to.

You guys are massive in developing a fan to a supporter. I have learned a whole new world on the game here.

Ed01 is the best you could find close to Liverpool FC. Ed02 is a walking football encyclopedia. there is nothing in the world related to footie she/he doesn't know.

Just wanted to thank you guys.

In tears.
Thank you.

YNWA

{Ed001's Note - have you been drinking Harry? You are going to make me start liking you at this rate!}

27 Aug 2015 06:09:23
When my sparring partners in business start giving me compliments, my first question is usually What do you want? :D

27 Aug 2015 07:02:39
Ed01. 😄😄😄 yes I was. completely out 😄😄😄

27 Aug 2015 07:13:29
This post confused the hell out of me till I realised it was Harry haha.

27 Aug 2015 08:00:27
Best post ever from Harry - now leave it at that ;o)

27 Aug 2015 08:41:16
I always know Harry is drunk when he says 'Hai Eds, banter pls'.

27 Aug 2015 09:09:40
Awww Harry, that brought a tear to my eye, I'm drunk too, hugs!

27 Aug 2015 09:15:36
Apple.

Clever :)

27 Aug 2015 10:06:03
love him or hate him, harry, in his many guises is a gem. he loves coming on here and is always worth a read, even if you don't agree with him. always makes me smile.

27 Aug 2015 11:45:32
Get your tongue out of his arsehol 'Arry, you're not a dog are you 'Arry? Although you do show all the characteristics of a dog. All except loyalty.
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