Liverpool Banter Archive November 26 2017

26 Nov 2017 22:01:35
{Ed's Note - we have posted a new article entitled, Liverpool v Chelsea - A Liverpool Perspective

26 Nov 2017 22:14:50
Agree 100% with Milner and Coutinho! What do you think about giving Marko grujic a chance instead of Milner? I think grujic brings a couple of abilities which are midfield severely lacks.

26 Nov 2017 22:59:50
I agree with you on giving Grijic some game time, but I have heard he is going out on loan in Jan .
not being smart, but I think that we should wave Sturridge goodbye, and give Solanke more games .

26 Nov 2017 23:00:43
I’d give the lad a go. He’s physically strong, good technique and puts the boot in.

26 Nov 2017 22:24:03
Once again a great review by ED001,just to add on Salah his energy is amazing as well, he has been a breath of fresh air.

{Ed001's Note - thanks mate.}

26 Nov 2017 23:01:10
Cheers ED01 great review, I spent most of the match screaming at Milner for constantly giving the ball away and for Coutinho for constantly leaving Moreno un-protected. In terms of Mignolet, my view is that would De Gea, Courtois etc have let that goal in? In my opinion no. I also think we seem a bit un-balanced in midfield at the moment and like you said a lot of that could be down to Phil not putting in the effort?

{Ed001's Note - that is how I see it with Mignolet, a top class keeper keeps that out and that is what we should have in there. As for the midfield, yes, a big part of the problem is Coutinho leaving it complete unbalanced. He is leaving a huge gaping hole down that side that opponents are exploiting.}

27 Nov 2017 04:38:34
I thought Migs could easily have taken one more step before jumping for the attempted save.
I actually thought Klavan did reasonably well, better than Matip and comes out nice and early to put out fires at times.
Enough said about Hendo and Milner.
Every time Sturridge plays I so desperately want him to do well. I think his time is surely up?

27 Nov 2017 05:56:06
Milner and Coutinho were the biggest culprits against Chelsea. One is a headless chicken whose passing was all over the place and the other could not be bothered to help Moreno. And Klavan should learn how to clear a ball properly coz it was embarrassing to watch him fluff his lines repeatedly. And Sturridge is definitely finished. The less said about the shocking Belgian GK pretending to guard our goal posts, the better.
Salah, Ox and Moreno were the only players to come out of the game with any credibility.

27 Nov 2017 10:49:22
@Indian

Playing 4-3-3 was the biggest downfall yesterday! It only irks if you have players suited to play!

27 Nov 2017 14:13:08
Cracking review eds . no decent keepers would of let that goal in . footwork absolutely awful and can’t jump. really needs to go sorry migs but you’ve cost us way to many points and matches. but we will keep him there cause he has photos of klopp and lovren rolling round naked at mellwood.

27 Nov 2017 19:00:23
We have been playing 4-3-3 for ages under Klopp and it works so don't know what that has got to do with anything. We can upgrade the players no doubt BUT saying 4-3-3 is the problem is ludicrous.

As for Migs, I knew as soon as the goal went in that Migs was to blame and I was right. His footwork was non-exixstent and my 2 year old is more athletic than he is. Karius who is athletic and has great foot work and positioning, would have gotten to that ball by simply shuffling his feet quicker. It is up to Klopp to make the change BUT he simply won't. Go figure.

26 Nov 2017 20:40:22
Klopp.

I don't understand why he's persisting with Mignolet, he really screwed the pooch on van Dijk, and I don't understand why he's bought on the cheap for goalkeepers and defenders when it was obvious we needed serious strengthening there. What goalie or CB could we have bought with the £25m we spent on Wijanldum or the £40m on Oxlade-Chamberlain for example?

That being said, he's assembled the best front three in the league, and from players we all had doubts about. When he moved Firmino up front, we were all thinking "wtf? Why not Benteke? ", and some people are still not happy with Firmino up front. Mane we thought was overpriced and were worried his attitude problems would crop up. 13 goals last season despite an injury and the ACON. Salah was viewed as a risk. 15 goals already this season. He spotted something in those players that none of us did, and I'd wager few managers spotted either. That's not to be scoffed at, and it's a shame it's being undermined by the disfunction of the team defensively. If that could be sorted, we'd be on par with Man City. If we can keep in touch until Jan, get a center back to ensure we finish in the top 4 and then sort this stuff properly in the summer, Klopp can still be a massive success at Liverpool.

Assuming he's not poached by Bayern Munich in the summer, that is.

26 Nov 2017 23:07:50
not sure that will happen, Klopp wants a defence on the cheap, who are then facing the like of Hazard and Sane, both nearly world class,
it will take another 3 maybe 4 transfer windows before we will be fighting for the No 1 spot, I only hope that we can keep our best players during that time .
not slagging Klopp, but while he is great on attacking players, he doesn't really understand the need to be able to defend .

26 Nov 2017 20:33:03
I remember a while ago we were linked with Sergi Samper. I think he’s on loan at Las Palmas this season. I know La Liga is not the PL but he’s got great passing range - short and long. With young Allan unlikely to get a work permit and Barcelona wanting Phil I wonder whether there’s an opportunity to get the young deep lying playmaker?

26 Nov 2017 20:50:57
If we need any type of midfielder, it should be a DM which will allow Hendo to play the other CM role where his ability and athleticism to press the oppo. will be very useful.

26 Nov 2017 21:11:55
I do agree we need a DM but I also feel that we need someone that has a bit more passing range than we have. A lot of our mids are runners and pressers which is fine against mid-low end teams but in a top clash you need that ability to turn defence into attack with a pass rather than a dribble. Let the ball do a bit of work too ;)

27 Nov 2017 05:59:47
Paredes could be a good option to replace Henderson as our deepest midfielder. Likes to play through balls to kick start counter attacks and is a good tackler with aggression.

26 Nov 2017 20:25:28
Hi everyone, Firminho is Klopp's first choice centre forward. He gives 100% whatever the situation is on the pitch. It seems klopp wants him to play like this.

Agains't Southampton on 70 minutes he must come off. This then gives Sturidge or Solanke game time and gives Firminho a rest. The same should of course have happened agains't Sevilla. This then means he can play some part v Chelsea and Sturidge keeps ticking over. A fresh player after 70 minutes will be more effective then a tired Firminho. I might be wrong but I don't remember him getting many winning goals in the last 10 minutes. Also as has been mentioned why did Mane play so long against Southampton?

Moreno - well played
Henderson did better than expected not his fault he is not at Kante's level.
Salah - I dread to think where we would be if we didn't have you.
Chamberlin - well played


Klopp - that is 2 poor games in a row. You get in a winning position and have a stonger bench than the opposition and still manage to throw away another lead.

26 Nov 2017 23:15:37
you make some very good points there Mark, I also thought that Klopp didn't use his team and subs in the last 3 games, with a more street wise manager, we could have won the last two games .

26 Nov 2017 19:13:53
Ed001 a question if i may. Klopp has wanted to play coutinho in a left of a midfield 3 which looked good at 1st but now seems to be creating more problems than its fixing. he no longer seems to be picking up the ball from deep and running at teams and he is leaving his side of the pitch exposed alot. Also he seems to get over run and marked out of the game when central, I no he try's to put himself about but he just doesn't seem to be capable of holding his own there. do you think he is suited to being left wing or do you think we can adjust to playing 2 cm's with couts as a number 10.

{Ed001's Note - the problem is he is simply not putting in 100%. It doesn't matter where he plays if he is not going to do the work.}

26 Nov 2017 19:31:36
coutinho stopped caring and your seeing it on the pitch more and more.

{Ed001's Note - that is defo how it looks. He was offering no help defensively yesterday at all.}

26 Nov 2017 20:18:49
Neither was Milner as well, Ed and at that point, we might as well have been playing with 9 men BUT hey let's just absorb these players of any blame and scapegoat the one player who was doing all the graft and doing these people's jobs for them and scold him for not being Superman, Jordan Henderson, LFC captain.

26 Nov 2017 20:28:47
SCARRY HOUSER,
His preferred position is out the team, he has totally gone missing again in action, he is a legend in his own mind. why do we play these players like COUTINHO and CAN who don’t want to be here.

26 Nov 2017 22:15:52
Wembley 78 I completly agree with you about coutinho i wouldn't let him were a Liverpool shirt again i really don't understand klopp he plays coutinho yet leaves mane and firminio on the bench in one of our biggest games and solanke not even in the squad and this is just my opinion to bring mane on with 90secs left is an insult to the player who gives everythink on the pitch.

26 Nov 2017 23:11:50
Personally speaking, since Can and Coutinho don’t want to play for us, they should be bench fodder at best until they leave.

26 Nov 2017 23:20:45
got to agree with you Red, Mane was furious with Klopp, what was he going to do coming on in the 89th minute, I was not happy with Klopp either .

27 Nov 2017 00:24:24
happy to be a red.
your spot on. and klopps use of subs really does baffle me sometimes and if he was going to leave firminio and mane on the bench why on earth didn't he give solanke a game he would of been fired up playing against Chelsea the way they treated him because in my opinion sturridge just ain't got it any more.

{Ed002's Note - How do you think Chelsea trated Solanke then?}

27 Nov 2017 01:45:41
I hold my hands up ed i worded that wrong meant to say the lack of oppertunities he had at Chelsea maybe he had a point to prove saying that he's not getting many oppertunities her neither looks a good player too.

{Ed002's Note - He was a child who demanded £50k a week from Chelsea. He wasn't ready for the first team on a regular basis.}

27 Nov 2017 08:02:48
thanks for the reply ed and the info.

26 Nov 2017 18:15:30
Hi Ed's,

What is the plan for Harry Wilson both long term and short term.

His goal and assist ratio for the u23s is unbelievable. I must admit I haven't seen much of him play. Is he a striker or a number 10.?

He is now 20 years old and has serious competition ahead of him in the senior squad.

Will Klopp ever give him a chance, will he be loaned out to hey experience or will he be sold.

Thanks Ed's.

{Ed001's Note - there is no real plan, he could have got games in the League Cup if we had not gone out, but that is the only real plan for him is cup games.

He can play winger or either forward position. I doubt he will make it with us now, but his goal record is not really of any note as U23 football is not really competitive enough. It is most likely he will go out on loan in January.}

26 Nov 2017 17:30:12
Hi Eds, why doesn't Klopp like to use a dedicated defensive midfielder? Not neccesarily a Makelele type but one dedicated to break up attacks and sit in front of the centre backs (Fabinho from Monaco for instance)? From what i've seen neither Henderson or Can really do this. Man U have Matic, Man City have Fernandinho, Spurs have Dier and Wanyama, Chelsea have Kante.
Thanks.

{Ed001's Note - Fabinho is not a dedicated defensive midfielder, so no idea why you mention him. He is a right back who can play in midfield but tends to get distracted and caught upfield in there as he wants to get forward like he does from fullback.

As for why Klopp doesn't like one, I don't know why he chooses not to use one now the high press is gone. I know he didn't use one with that because it is not really worth it, you need the midfield higher up the pitch to put pressure on the ball. Now it is gone we could do with something in there to break up play as we lack anyone in there doing so and the midfielders we have do not gel together well.}

26 Nov 2017 18:49:46
Because a saw Fabinho play as a holding/ defensive midfielder and he wasn't bombing forward and I thought he was terrific in that role but not a Makelele.

{Ed001's Note - he sleep walks through games too much for my liking, but commentators fawn over him even though he is missing.}

26 Nov 2017 20:30:32
Ed01, it seems that Klopp is open to a DM cos you informed last season that we were looking at Obiang for instance. Is the search for a DM still in the works esp. since it is clear for all to see that the whole gegenpressing thing is a thing of the past? Cheers, mate.

{Ed001's Note - what he is looking for is players who are flexible enough to sit deep and break forward when the opportunity arrives. I know we looked at a few, but they were the Kante type of high energy, high mobility midfielders that break up play, rather than the sitting type.}

26 Nov 2017 21:18:58
Ed, good luck finding the Kante/ Naby type-players who are dynamic and can do what those two can do. I don't know of what DM player can do what Klopp is looking for. Pls feel free not to respond BUT can you mention a player or two that we looked at for this role? I will understand if you can't?

{Ed001's Note - off the top of my head I can only remember Obiang. Obviously Keita was another and we did sign him.}

26 Nov 2017 14:42:08
We think we have problems you want to watch the blues their shocking! Haha.

26 Nov 2017 15:03:40
Martin O'Neill will come in save them.

I almost kept a straight face when typing that, too.

26 Nov 2017 15:03:51
Apparently the have better defenders than us 🤔🤔.

26 Nov 2017 15:11:22
Conceding 3 goals in an hour against a team that don't score goals. You would have gotten laughed out of town saying this at the start of the season but they could get relegated unless something starts happening.

26 Nov 2017 15:19:45
The hype from their side thinking they’d achieve something this season aswell. Laughable.

26 Nov 2017 15:26:06
how’s that power shift on Merseyside getting on blues?

I hope they get relegated.

26 Nov 2017 15:34:31
Too bad the derby is another two weeks away. Their new manager will be in by then.

I really hope it's O'Neill.

26 Nov 2017 15:41:37
As much as I don't have time for Everton I wouldn't like to see them relegated. Sure that's 6 garrenteed point's every season lad's😁.

26 Nov 2017 15:56:39
Liverpool always lose against teams with new managers - the players have to make an impression before the transfer window opens.

26 Nov 2017 16:30:58
I didn't know that the players did impressions bum bum😁.

26 Nov 2017 16:35:48
Oh lay off lads, pls. Spare a thought for Ed25. He must be in tatters right now.

26 Nov 2017 16:50:14
I hate this bitter attitude towards our neighbours, it’s funny to see them get the odd trouncing but in reality seeing them like this is actually quite sad.

26 Nov 2017 17:07:17
I am more worried about how easy we capitulate to care about what Everton are doing.

26 Nov 2017 17:21:06
In fairness I do fell sorry for Ed025 he's a top bloke.

26 Nov 2017 18:03:35
Johnny Barnes:

Nonsense mate! Do you think ANY Evertonian would feel sorry for us if the roles were reversed!

Ford Long:

Spot on!

Barry:

Agreed!

26 Nov 2017 18:30:15
Everton are experiencing the same probs as us damage done in summer transfer window we didn't strengthen the areas that blatantly needed addressing only difference is we want too get in top 4 an we on the outskirts of that, Everton have surprised me how bad they are, but I am not surprised we are not in top 4 rite now as our squad is weakest of the top 6, an in all honesty couple of more key signings by us in the summer an we would ov been rite there, me personally I think that's criminal for a club our size an expectancy levels, we should prepare like winners an not average joes.

26 Nov 2017 20:38:28
Hailstones, give over with "it is criminal for the club of our expectancy" stuff cos you may not have noticed, we have been bang average at best since Rafa left with 2 CL appearances since then. We are rebuilding after the mess BR left behind and it took him 3 years to ruin it and it will take as much if not longer to fix it. Until then, it will have to be incremental progress and top 4 is what we have to chase right now. The arrogant self entitled stuff needs to end cos it is supported by NOTHING in reality.

Also, there is no way on this earth are we going thru the same thing they are. Their summer business was rank awful and many of us said so at the time. Slah alone dwarfs EVERY signing (all 10 of them) they made and we had obviously a better window than they did, global even tho, we could like every other club who did not get all their targets, could have done more.

26 Nov 2017 14:31:10
As much as I’ve tried to give Mignolet the benefit of the doubt over the years, yesterday was the final straw. Willian’s cross was floated with little pace and any half-decent keeper would have moved his feet and caught it.

Even allowing for the poor footwork, why did he try to go for it with his left hand? If you are sitting in your chair now, lean to your right and put your left hand over your head to see how far you can stretch. Then, holding the same position and put out your right hand. You’ll see that your right hand can stretch a good 12 -15 inches further. Mignolet got the fingers of his left hand to the ball, so would easily have got a full hand on it if he’d gone with his right.

Mignolet is not alone in this, as there are others who do the same (usually the ones who end up picking the ball out of their net) . Why do they do it? I can only assume that they want to use the right arm to break the fall of the dive, but the priority should be to save the ball. They are not playing on concrete for f**ks sake.

26 Nov 2017 15:04:43
12-15" further? You got problems, i think you should get an appointment to go see your GP asap.

26 Nov 2017 15:10:41
It's just the latest in a string of errors from him this season, isn't it?

I can take managers making mistakes as long as I can understand what they were trying to achieve. Hindsight's great and all if something doesn't work, but as long as I get what the manager was thinking beforehand, I can understand. But I don't understand Klopp's thinking on goalkeepers.

When Migs wasn't making so many errors last season, it was a discussion. Do you pick the potentially better, but also error prone Karius? Or the bang average Migs? But at least he isn't making mistakes. But this season Migs has made a tonne of errors and been jittery under the slightest bit of pressure. It's not a discussion anymore. Karius would have to literally throw the ball into his own net five matches in a row to be on Migs' level. Not to mention we also have Ward back at the club.

26 Nov 2017 15:26:35
Tommywalsh, I think you’re the one who needs to see your GP if your flexibility is so poor that your right hand can’t reach further than your left if you’re diving to your right.

26 Nov 2017 16:02:13
Klavy, your like a lot of men, adding inches .

26 Nov 2017 16:34:34
Very true Happy, but the truth comes out when we have to drop our pants. But seriously, look at it again on MOTD2 tonight and I’ll accept any criticism if anyone can honestly tell me that he couldn’t have got closer to the ball going for it with his right hand. As for 12-15 inches, that is because his right shoulder is about that distance closer than the left shoulder if diving to the right. PS/ if there are any ladies on here who want to see my 15 inches, ask the Ed for my email address.

26 Nov 2017 16:55:07
Klavy is absolutely correct. If the goal was a fluke, you have to believe that Migs did all the things available to a GK to save the cross and if he did then, no problem. The fact that there are legitimate questions of his approach to the cross, shows that it was yes a fluke AND YES, the GK did not do all he could. This is where Klavy is completely correct.

Migs has NO athleticism and NO footwork, fact. Now on the cross, he sees that Klavan has forced Willian wide so a shot is no longer possible and only a blind cross would come. Watch Migs' footwork or lack thereof. He shuffles to the near post and when Willian is forced wide, he does not read that for him to get to the inevitable cross, he has to shuffle his feet back towards the middle of the goal to get to the ensuing cross. Migs does not do that.

Instead, he moves a pathetic two steps to his right and leaps for the ball. He gets two fingers to the ball but concedes. It is logical that to conclude that had another GK like say Karius or Ward (who has more athleticism and better footwork than Migs) had moved his feet faster, he would have gotten a full hand on the ball and tip it over if he could get three fingers on it w/ o shuffling his feet. It is that simple.

26 Nov 2017 17:20:39
Mignolet reacted late.

26 Nov 2017 13:57:49
How easy is it for opposition players to ghost past Henderson in the centre of the park? I mean it's like he's running in quick sand all game. His agility isn't suited to the holding role and even when you think of moving him higher up the field he's not going to replace Lallana now that he's fit and coutinho in that role. Yes we've got plenty of games in the next few week but I'd like to see Hendo and Milner dropped for the next few with Can, Lallana, Wijnaldum, Coutinho and the Ox in the mix for that 3 in midfield.

26 Nov 2017 14:29:44
It was really easy, but not because of Henderson. Henderson was exhausted because he has to cover so much ground. He had no help from Milner or coutinho.

I think we could improve in his position too but this constant bashing is getting out of hand.

26 Nov 2017 14:48:33
Tj red. your kidding right.

26 Nov 2017 14:53:43
Hendo never tacled. Never won any balls. Guys past right by him. Maybe he needs the same stick Moreno gets. Moreno. miss one ball and the pitch forks come out. Is he untouchable? Seems a little biased here. Agree milner was awfull. But isn't he the captain. To control his midfield.

26 Nov 2017 14:54:29
I think people falling into a trap of homing in on Henderson as the source of all our midfield problems.

I know Klopp doesn't use a "natural" defensive midfielder, preferring instead to rely on team pressing (although we haven't seen as much of that this year, imo) but your midfielders still need to be able to defend in so far as that they need to be able to make tackles, and see gaps and dangerous situations and close them off. Our midfielders struggle with that.

Can's a decent tackler, but he doesn't spot danger well. Henderson sometimes spots danger. Sometimes. And he isn't a great tackler so when he gets to the danger, he can't always deal with it. Ditto Wijnaldum, and he's probably a worse tackler than Henderson. The rest of them can't do any of the defensive side of the game at all imo. Coutinho, Lallana and Milner generally just occupy a space and force opposition players to pass around them, and in some cases they don't occupy the right space. So that's 3 players out of 6 who can sort of do half of the job they need to do off the ball. That's just not enough.

Yesterday, Milner kept moving out to the right and Coutinho did literally nothing when we didn't have the ball. That left Hendo on his own to try and hold the midfield. It would've been a tough ask for a natural defensive midfielder and Henderson isn't one. And if Can had been fit and played instead of Henderson, we probably would've had roughly the same outcome.

Basically, with the way our midfield is set up and with the personnel we have, more often than not it's going to be possible to play through our midfield easily. So we're relying on being such a forward threat that the opposition are too pinned back to stop us. The only time our midfield looked 'solid' this season was was in one game when we played with only two center mids, Gini and either Hendo or Can (I can't remember which), and both of them sat in so there wasn't really space for the opposition to play around them.

That's the only solution we have at the moment. If we keep going with a midfield three, with one theoretically holding and others given freedom to join the attack, we're going to be soft in the middle, regardless of who we put in the "holding" role.

26 Nov 2017 15:32:54
I love your analasis. I am talking about man to man. I like the guy he is a super human being. As a defensive midfielder he is just the one. Everyone talks about his work rate. Doing what? When he neess ro tackle he shepherds others to go in and tackle. He seem not to make many. mistakes as he shys away from it. I have specifically tried to watch him to see if I am too harsh on him. You know what I have seen nothing he offers in that specific position. He may better up front but where he is playing now has never suited him. Against teams we dominate he looks good. Against teams with good midfielders he is found wanting. This is not to bash him specifically but shouldn't he get the same treatment here as Moreno and migs get.

26 Nov 2017 17:02:09
Ried, TJ is not kidding. Neither is SR. They are correct in their analysis. You may wanna shift the debate over to Hendo as an individual BUT that won't work here cos it seems you are only interested in slating the boy and not looking at the fact that he is struggling majority of the time cos he gets NO help from Milner, Wiji nor Cou defensively. You cannot have it both ways. Hendo is NOT a DM BUT he has shown he can be effective there all through last season before his injury.

"He seems to not make mistakes cos he shies away from it". Is that a sick joke? Who attempted more forward passes last season before his injury in Jan? Hendo. He had 4 assists and goal of the season arguably last season. He was great vs Saints and Hudd and scored the winning goal vs LC this season. How do you do all that w/ o taking risks? Your bias is deafening. You CANNOT slate Hendo and then leave the other CM's who hung him out to dry unscathed. That is dishonest and disingenuous.

26 Nov 2017 09:46:54
Just can't help thinkin if we'd of signed a good cb and keeper we'd be right up there with city!

26 Nov 2017 12:37:07
I think a top class dm will improve us the most. Henderson is horrendous there.

If he was moved to the box to box roles we should see his performances improve.

26 Nov 2017 12:50:34
Fully agreed Davey. Our lack of protection from midfield is awful, highlighted yesterday by Drinkwaters runs into the box that weren't tracked. A top quality DM would improve the team so much.

26 Nov 2017 13:30:57
Savic from lazio.

26 Nov 2017 14:34:41
Spot on, Gordy. I agree that Hendo is not the best DM (horrendous is a bit OTT as he was brilliant there last season b4 his injuries) BUT a good CB will not help if the midfield offers next to no protection to the defence with the way our CM's leave Hendo out to dry and to do all the CM duties with no help at all from Milner, Wiji and Cou. The guy can't be everywhere at once and at some point, Klopp has to tell them to do their jobs cos right now, they are not.

26 Nov 2017 15:48:52
I do agree to an extent brover that the others don't help. And Henderson is a decent Cm. But his positional sense and decision making for a dm is certainly horrendous. He sees nothing else but the ball and will vacate the real danger time and time again to get it. Great if you're a box to box cm which he is. Bad if your a dm which he is not.

He has been so bad this year which is mainly due to him playing out of position.

I have said this many times now and some keep saying I'm negative because I mentioned I was disappointed after the southampton game. We should not be playing 4 3 3. It is a horrible formation for the players we have.

We should be playing a box of four so if Henderson or Can or however goes ball chasing which they will the other should already be in the dm position.

I think 4 3 3 is a great system but I klopp really should know by now we simply don't have the components to play it.

The 1 1 against Chelsea doesn't upset me. The fact we simply aren't learning is. I think the only hope is transfer markets because klopp seems head strung on this 4 3 3.

My optimism is that Keita being a real key piece. He should offer a lot more balance than coutinho.

Buy a top class Dm. Savic is a great but difficult choice. Someone of that ilk.

Add henderson/ wijnaldum other side and all of a sudden 4 3 3 works.

On a side note man I miss Alonso.

26 Nov 2017 17:17:20
Davey again, you are OTT with your comments. Firstly, Hendo is NOT a DM by trade YET he is playing the position to help the team. I think Can is a better DM BUT does not have the passing range (esp. long range) that Hendo possesses and cannot switch defence to attack quick enuff which is why Naby is coming. We can argue whether Klopp should have gotten a DM or should get one going forward and ED01 has said that he was already open to a DM last season and had Obiang not been injured, he'd prolly be here right now. If you are disappointed about the Saints game wehre we won 3-0 at a canter with a clean sheet and w/ Hendo playing well then that is your choice and it proves nothing in reality as that is just your opinion, which is not fact.

Until we can get a DM and plug some holes ONLY during the TW, Hendo is the DM and he needs help from his fellow CM's and right now, he is NOT getting that help so it is unfair to say that he is horrendous as a DM when he is NOT a DM as you can't have it both ways. Klopp likes the 4-3-3 and it works clearly BUT you are correct that we don't have the players to play it hence the reason Naby is coming cos he plays in the same system we play at RBL. There are still holes in this team that need to be filled so throwing a strop each time something goes wrong, won't help and neither will Savic cos he ain't coming as he signed a new contract last season. The players we have at=re the ones we have like it or not so we support the team until something can happen in the TW. God bless, my friend!

26 Nov 2017 18:20:03
I agree with everything there Brover.

Basically we are on the same page but I'm just a bit more head case when making my points 😀.

26 Nov 2017 21:25:08
Cheers, Davey.

26 Nov 2017 09:24:22
I’ve just seen something suggesting Chelsea are looking at Butland. It’s long been suggested by many on here that he could be a viable solution to our keeper issues, how’s he been getting on this season? I’ve not watched any stoke games but know they have shipped a lot of goals, are these down to him or shoddy defenders in front of him? Interested to know if.

26 Nov 2017 09:38:33
I’d take him over Mignolet, Stoke are struggling but I think they would want a lot for him, and by that I think they would want in the 30s in terms of millions.

26 Nov 2017 10:03:39
Butland needs to prove his fitness he is struggling and out again at the moment.

26 Nov 2017 14:54:18
Not me, Jones. Migs is a very low bar to improve upon. I would not take him as a, he is injury prone and two, Karius should be given back the shirt as he has been solid in the CL so far. He just needs more experience and game time. Butland is also overrated and had he not been English, no one would care for him, IMO.

26 Nov 2017 15:00:43
Butland is out with a broken finger, but he is a young keeper with a great future ahead of him,
I would def go for him, he will be England no1 soon .

26 Nov 2017 17:31:45
Happy, we already have too talented GK's at the club already so why waste money on an overrated, injury prone GK when we can give the talented ones we have a good run in the team?

26 Nov 2017 09:05:10
Decent result last night was important not too lose, now onto a big week starting with Stoke 2 away wins will put us in a great position.

26 Nov 2017 09:19:59
Great position?

26 Nov 2017 15:09:01
It was frustrating even tho, we did not play our best for diverse reasons (changes, injuries to Can and Lovren, some players like Milner and Studge under par) BUT we did enough offensively and defensively in the 2nd half to win the game and then the fluke happened. On to the next game with hopefully Mane and Firmino back in the lineup.

26 Nov 2017 07:52:11
For a 5.30 kick off under the floodlights I thought the atmosphere was quite flat at the ground and especially against Chelsea where we have a good few songs directed at them, anyone else who went think the same?

Any way, for me I don't understand why we didn't rest Bobby and Firmno against Southampton. We knew this was going to be a tough week with Sevilla away and then Chelsea, no mater what the outcome, players will inevitably be tired.

I also think we should have made the substitutions earlier, when Chelsea threw all their attacking players on, you could clearly see the gaps they left at the back. Twice we broke up the play with Salah tearing down the wing, only to look up and see no support what so ever. Even if we took Couthino the Ox off for the last 15 mins and replaced with bobby as well as Mané, surely this would have given the team more chance on the counter.

If the subs were instructed earlier in the game, Klopp would have no cause to use the excuse that the delay in Lallana's substitution was partly to blame for Willian's goal! Sorry but William was not closed down, two of our players just stoood and left him to get on is right foot, terrible defending once again.

I thought in parts we played well but once again our inability to see games out cost us. Until we find that winning mentality and a leader that can really pull the team together when needed, we won't win anything.

26 Nov 2017 08:42:18
Meant bobby and Mané 😂.

26 Nov 2017 08:58:53
Absolutely, cannot buy this subs take too long to get ready thing. Klopp could either just tell them to have their shin pads on already on the bench or instruct them sooner. Some things really starting to mystify me with klopp. This and the bizarre persistence with players who haven't improved in 3 years.

26 Nov 2017 09:03:59
We're just not very good defensively, or in midfield for the most part - that really is the crux of the problem. Blaming Klopp's lack of substitutes is a poor, cop-out of a reason, we were winning 1-0 and not far of a huge win.
Nothing will change until a few of Mignolet (especially), Matip, Moreno, Lovren, Henderson and Wijnaldum are replaced. None are particularly good players, and all share a common characteristic of either buckling under pressure or sheer unadulterated cowardice.

26 Nov 2017 10:36:38
Lallana ws standing there for 5 minutes waiting to come on.

26 Nov 2017 10:58:15
you mentioned we should have made the subs earlier, if you watched klopps interview he tried to and the ref didn't let him after the game klopp asked him about this and the ref said the goal came 4 minutes after the attempted substitutions. atleast get as much info as you can before you go off
klopp says when the llalana sub was planned he was going 5 across the back and he thinks klavan would have been in the space where willian picked up the ball
make of it as you will.

26 Nov 2017 12:27:33
I did indeed. On the 75 min mark to be precise.
Regardless as to whether Lallana was on the field or not, two defenders stood off and just watched Willian get the ball on his right foot! We should have been chasing him down!

26 Nov 2017 13:41:39
The atmosphere is becoming worse and worse. Away days are a joke nowadays. Where are the children of our 80s fans?

26 Nov 2017 15:16:57
this talk of Klopp using his subs wrong, the subs putting on there shin pads when they should be ready to go on, smacks off a second rate manager, I have said it before, Klopp needs a word in his ear,
dont we have his no2, called the Brains, well someone needs his thinking cap on,
we will never win the League, cos nearly every weekend, some thing is going wrong, that shoulnt .

26 Nov 2017 15:19:07
LoweerLFC and Livered, you are wrong re Klopp's subs rage. It is not an excuse. It is a fact. Lallana was waiting for ages to come on (for about 4-5 mins) and he could not come on. Even when the change happened, Klopp gave a right rant to the ref, flailing his arms and everything. Do more research before posting falsehoods, pls.

Per the defence on the Willian goal. I don't understand what people wanted the defence to do there. Willian was running on goal at full pace. Klavan shuffles there (a miracle for a CB with no pace) and forces Willian well wide to cut of the lane and angle for the shot. Job done as there was NO angle for a shot nor for a good cross so Willian just hit and hoped w/ o even looking and the cross goes in. Even Lampard on BT said Klavan and the defence did its job BUT I guess he's useless as well.

25 Nov 2017 22:58:55
Just wanted to discuss players not celebrating for their new clubs. What are peoples opinions? For me it doesn't show disrespect to celebrate scoring for your new club. There are exceptions i. e. lampard as he played for the club for years. This isn't a dig at Salah by the way just wanted to see peoples opinions on the subject.

{Ed001's Note - Salah did not celebrate out of respect following a major tragedy. I do think he was right to do so. If it had been another day he would have celebrated against Chelsea as normal.}

26 Nov 2017 07:29:14
There was a devastating terrorist attack in Egypt on Fri. hence the reason he did not celebrate and credit to him as he is a national icon over there just as Drogba is in the Ivory Coast. I would have loved for him to celebrate vs CHelsea as well.

26 Nov 2017 07:52:54
mind sharing what the tragedy was about ed001? i had no idea about this, thought it was because it was his old club.

{Ed001's Note - there was a terrorist attack in Egypt in which over 300 people were killed.}

26 Nov 2017 09:04:49
Fair one ed, I put two and two together and got 5, just seen so many players not celebrate against old clubs I automatically jumped to that conclusion.

26 Nov 2017 09:14:24
thanks ed001.

{Ed001's Note - welcome.}

26 Nov 2017 19:11:33
This is possibly the only site I’ve actually seen more than 1 person know what happened on Friday.
My heart goes out to Egypt and I respect Salah and his decisions.
My thoughts are with everybody at this moment. The worlds crazy.
🇪🇬🇪🇬🇪🇬.

26 Nov 2017 01:27:53
Totally love this site and it's been a while since I've hadn't had the chance to log on. This is the first time in a few weeks I've been able to watch a game in full to be able to comment on it. Are people seriously calling for a change in management? I haven't had the time to look at previous posts so apologies if I'm wrong. Just going by friends and family. Everyone knows where we are and where we need to strengthen. Im always for putting your strongest team out first if available. Where there any injuries or problems tonight with the usual front three? Again I apologise if this has been answered and questioned before.

26 Nov 2017 04:05:00
Think they were either rested or dropped because of the 2nd half against seville.

26 Nov 2017 04:11:34
Only the odd exception would be OK for change in management so far as I can see, although more and more on here see patience is running thin on the eternally wobbly defence

I believe front 3 was just rotation to avoid fatigue, but maybe a hint of something about not performing second half against Sevilla? If so I think that would be unfair as in reality they were exhausted and should have been subbed for Solanke and Ox far earlier IMO, then maybe they could have started today?

26 Nov 2017 04:27:33
Of course some people are, just as some people think the earth is flat. Sure the manager rested some big players but this is the busiest time of the year and many of our best players are just back from injury. Not to mention, we should’ve won that game If not for an accident of a shot.

26 Nov 2017 07:36:58
Spot on, Tj. Of course, Klopp play his best or close to best team if they were fit? It is normal that rotation is necessary during this busy schedule so no qualms there. What a manager always hopes for is that there is not significant drop off in performances. That happened to some extent yesterday BUT our boys stayed strong, stuck with it and scored with the best move of the game with all the front 3 involved. The defence did it's job globally and Klavan did his job forcing Willian out wide to force the cross and not allow the shot and then the fluke happened. Frustrating BUT very understandable.

26 Nov 2017 19:14:19
Why wouldn’t Klopp rotate the squad, when we are three up at Sevilla knowing we’ve got Chelsea at the weekend?

I know it’s gone and nothing can be changed.
But what game was more important

Sevilla OR Chelsea.

I’m happy with the result last night and unhappy with th Sevilla one.