Liverpool Banter Archive June 26 2014

26 Jun 2014 23:28:24
If we sell Suarez, as it seems likely, I don't think we will do a spurs and buy lots and not bind as a team. However, if we get a large sum for him, I'd like to see us add a quality centre mid in, as well as the expected left back, winger, centre back and can/lambert. Considering Moses, cissokho and Suarez are leaving, and we have can, lambert and Borini if he stays added to the team, that's only four more players added to the squad, which was thin anyway which still won't match the size of Chelsea/city's squads. If you also consider agger/Lucas/aspas might leave too, we have just added a lot of quality not quantity.

26 Jun 2014 23:12:24
Ed001 and follow reds.

If/when Suarez leaves how do you feel this will affect Sturridge do you think that it will have a positive effect him being the "main man" or do you think it may have a negative effect?

{Ed001's Note - I think more of an issue is how it will affect Sterling, with the increased pressure on him to perform. Sturridge I feel will benefit in some ways, with more focus on him in the final third of the pitch. Though he will of course lose out with defenders being more focused on him and not having Suarez creating for him. I think it will even out overall for Daniel. I think he might even revel in the role of main man.}

26 Jun 2014 23:22:11
Ed001, if we were to bring in Sanchez though that's a pretty great partnership we'd have there and because Sanchez plays out wide it'd still allow Sturridge to be the main man. I also think it'd take the pressure off Sterling that you're a little concerned about don't you think? Don't want to get ahead of myself though.

{Ed001's Note - that would be my ideal choice, for exactly those reasons. If need be either or both Sanchez and Sterling can play through the centre as well.}

Sturridge will thrive being where he believes he is finally top dog up front! If Suarez goes it will bring a lot more positives than negatives, Yes we lose a top class striker we have replaced them before Fowler Rush Owen Torres to name a few recent ones, But we will get a few great players that will want to play for the shirt (hopefully)and not use the club as a stepping stone not to mention cleaning up the image that Suarez has brought to the club!

The concern would be his ability to stay uninjured though. He seems to be built like a thoroughbred horse and is rapid but prone to injury

26 Jun 2014 22:58:48
echo reckon he staying

If that's the clubs decision that's fine by me

I really hope not.

27 Jun 2014 08:00:46
The Echo are no longer a good source. They get plenty wrong nowadays.

26 Jun 2014 22:42:34
This origi for belgium looks allright actually. Like a young anelka

27 Jun 2014 08:01:23
That's what everyone said about David N'Gog.

26 Jun 2014 22:07:49
Eds fellow reds, I'm off to sharm el shriek tomorrow so won't be on for just over a week .will try to check in over there but won't send any messages .would be greatful if anything does happen on July 1st .someone could put it on here cheers .great site great fans and big thanks to eds .

So let me get this right, if we have any transfer news on the the 1st July, you'd like us to post on here. That's a very big ask!

I think you'll find we'll all still be harping on about Luis to worry about Sanchez arriving etc.

26 Jun 2014 21:41:47
I failed my law O-level in 1992 AND 1993 so I think I'm qualified in saying that Suarez can't be prohibited from moving clubs under the much stronger freedom of employment laws compared to FIFA's sanctions.
Frighteningly, he gets full dental treatment!
As regards his wages, I'd be astonished if Liverpool haven't inserted a clause that relieves them of responsibility for his £200k p.w. in the likely event of him "doing a Suarez".
Perversely, this could work in our favour.
We clearly aren't able to deal with his genius. we've tried and failed.
We paid £23m for him.he's now worth a lot more. We've had at least £23m worth out of him all things considered.
Personally, I'd trade with Barca and the Sanchez deal.
We could take a player in the Brendan Rodgers style of play plus shed-loads of cash for a player who's become an embarassment!
Maybe Pedro aswell?
What I'm saying is what everyone is thinking.as painful as it is, Luis Suarez is a liability. But he's a valuable asset and doesn't deserve any more support from LFC because of his actions.
Barca or Madrid will handle him better than we could.
I will honestly breathe a sigh of relief when we sell the best player we've had in years!

26 Jun 2014 21:46:20
I would defo shed a few drops, As He undoubtedly is the best player I have seen in a Liverpool shirt from a long long time.

26 Jun 2014 21:06:42
Eds Pls post this.

Yes He is an person. A real personic Stupid. No doubt.
But We loved him. don't we?. Can anyone hand on your chest could say, He never played his heart for us last season?
I cannot, Becoz, I saw a Loyal Man in him for the 30 games he played for us.
He played his heart for us, He loved the Kop, And He wanted to play the CL with Liverpool.

Great Work Eds. You guys are the closest to the club.

{Ed001's Note - sorry, but I can honestly say I have never been able to take to him. Works hard, and I love that about him. Love that he scores goals for us. Him though, I just can't stand. I can't forgive him for ending Dalglish's time with us. He is not fit to lick King Kenny's boots clean after he has gone for a run through a field of cow dung. He is a selfish little *censored* who plays for himself, not for the team, he plays to win for his own sake, not for us. Nothing loyal about him whatsoever, otherwise he wouldn't have spent last summer trying so desperately to leave! I can't believe anyone can still defend the vile little *censored*.}

Agree ed001 if he stays wot next how long before he blows up again how long wits the next thing going to be then wot 12 month ban 2 year sell now! In any business there s a time to but then a time to sell now is that time well 4 weeks ago was that time but never mind get wot we can while we can

26 Jun 2014 21:51:14
Ed01, Spot on, But you honestly think, From past 12 months He hasn't been playing for the club and for himself?.
Ed, We all loved him didn't we?. I never saw our club being this close to the title. I haven't seen someone crying after a loss. And I have never seen a player close to Gerrard as Him.
You ll agree, The moment he enters the pitch, HE IS A RED, A TRUE PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALLER.
His passion, His desire, His will to work, We are talking about replacing this with money.

{Ed001's Note - it is not for the club he does it, he does it for himself. I have seen plenty of selfish children cry when they haven't got their way.}

Excellent reply Ed001, my sentiments exactly.

26 Jun 2014 22:40:56
I have noticed that he has a tendency to moan at Sturridge when Danny takes on a shot that doesn't come off but he does it just as much.

Here here Ed, well said.

I said sell him last summer after bite gate 2.

26 Jun 2014 23:19:14
Harry I do see what your saying but ed001 is right I think the passion shown is more to do with his love off football rather than Liverpool. I would like to think he had some love for Liverpool but very skeptical of that.

Ed001 what was daglish like as a player? I've only seen some highlights of him but would you be able to sum him up if you have a chance?

{Ed001's Note - he was really a little before my time, I was still a kid really when he was at his pomp, but even in the tail end of his career he was outstanding on the pitch. 1986 was as much about him bringing himself back into the fold for the run in, as it was about Peebo and Digger. He was just a genius, the first of the deep lying forwards, the man who would see the whole pitch and change a game with one pass. He was kicked from pillar to post for 90mins and would just kick them back when they got the ball, rather than resorting to spending hours sat on the floor whining or throwing his arms about. Dalglish wasn't the quickest, but with Rush's lightning runs to pick out, he simply didn't need to be. He was strong as an ox too, defenders used to bounce off his backside when he was holding the ball up. He knew how to draw a foul too, especially in the box. What I most remember about him was his intelligence on the pitch, he wasn't one of those Scott Parker runs around a lot but accomplishes little players. It was measured, he didn't need to charge around, he could collect the ball under pressure, hold off the defender and still get his head up and pick the right pass. One other thing does stand out about him, thinking back, he was a leader on the pitch, it was a boost just to see him out there, even towards the end of his career. You could just see the other players played better with him there. Reminds me of Michael Jordan in that respect, in that it wasn't just his own play that made him great, but the way he raised the game of those around him. Dalglish was a true playmaker.}

Agreed, Mikey. I would have personally sold him off to Arsenal since he wanted to go there so badly, although I would have perhaps tried to negotiate upwards.

I just find it really sad that for the fourth time we're focused on whether or not the length of a ban for one of our players is correct or not.

He had a great season, no doubt.

He also missed 6 games last season for his stupidity. Considering the narrow margins that decide the premier league, that was a big thing.
He also tried to force a move to Arsenal not less than 12 months ago.

He is selfish. We benefited from his selfishness last season.

27 Jun 2014 00:24:04
Thankyou for the reply really appreciate it! Makes me gutted I didn't get too watch him play!

27 Jun 2014 08:06:19
Oh yeah he loves LFC so much he was willing to go to Arsenal, even though he didn't want too, just so he can get out of LFC.

You need to stop making excuses for the cretin.

26 Jun 2014 20:48:39
Eds, if the Sevilla director is to be believed and a deal for Moreno is not going to happen, do you know of any new interest in targets? Especially as we've not shown interest in Rodriguez and Rojo seems to be off to Juventus. Bertrand is a decent player but just isn't of the same quality!

Bertrand is not a good player. League one at best

26 Jun 2014 20:34:04
Disregarding the rights and wrongs of the bite and the ban.
Whoever Luis Suarez is playing for when he returns from his ban, will have one extremely motivated player. I feel it is certain he will score lots of goals and provide assists even more than he did last season.

Should have a fitness advantage too as he gets a quarter of each season off.

26 Jun 2014 21:07:42
Jok

I agree, Whenever he has come back from any kinda punishment, He has been deadly

Evening all,
I have just had it confirmed 100% that luis Suarez will be a Liverpool player next season. Liverpool have committed themselves to ensuring Suarez receives whatever psychological help he requires. He will not be sold at any price! Brendan is the one who convinced the owners to give him
One last chance as they were all for an immediate sale. Suarez has excepted a pay cut for the four month ban period but not sure of figures!
Personally I feel Suarez is a very lucky man however Suarez is still refusing to accept he has done anything wrong and has convinced some Liverpool staff that he is innocent!

Con, are you Ian Ayre?

I thought con said the opposite yesterday.

Anyway, I doubt anyone can confirm it 100%.
What if Man City offer us £500m for him?
I suspect the club is still open to offers for him.

Ken I said yesterday that he was right on the edge of being sacked however the law for claiming compensation is stacked very much in the players favour so Liverpool have had to dismiss that idea.
Alan no I am not Ian Ayre ha ha but I have met him many times and consider him a friend sort of. My information comes from within the club from someone who I trust completely.
Suarez will stay!

27 Jun 2014 08:08:42
Until he gets another ban for maybe another biting sometime next year.

26 Jun 2014 20:19:38
Never mind all the psychologists, just put a muzzle on him before every game - simples!

27 Jun 2014 08:09:48
PETA might have a problem with that.

26 Jun 2014 19:44:23
The way he talks, the way he is easily influenced, the way he acts on the pitch suggests to me that he is still a child in his head.

I don't personally know the man, but this is not the behaviour of a violent man or a criminal. This is the behaviour of a child with a bad temper.

I think that people are getting a bit over dramatic as it is only a bite which is nowhere near as dangerous as a head butt or a punch, however it is still no way to behave and he should rightfully be punished.

The way I see it is, if he is going to behave like a child he should be treat like a child. Make him do extra chores (community service), no pocket money (big fine) and ground him (hefty ban).

Those who are saying he is damaging our club need to look at it from a different perspective. I think people are well aware that Liverpool are not at fault. The way the club managed the situation after the Ivanovic incident was very professional. The way the club managed him throughout last season was also very professional. People are fully aware that the only one responsible for Luis Suarez' behaviour is Luis Suarez.

The big question is do we keep him or do we sell him? Personally, I would like the club to hold on to him. Everyone is replaceable, but his ability is on another level to every other striker in the world. If it wasn't for his behaviour he would have been challenging for titles and european trophies at a top club long ago.

Liverpool knew what they were getting when they signed him and decided to bring him in with only the future success of the club in mind. He has helped massively in firing us back into the champions League and given Liverpool revived hope.

We all called for him to be sold last summer and we held on to him, look where we are now. It could have all been different had he gone.

Red Rum

Really!?!. Seriously?

Im with you red rum.

So you are happy for a club losing money on a weekly basis to pay suarez to sit on his ass for four months? Well I guess its not your money so who cares, doesn't matter at all really!

27 Jun 2014 08:10:51
So you are saying he cannot be arsed to grow up?

Yeah right. I wonder what my employer would say if I acted like that at work.

26 Jun 2014 19:39:13
He (Luis) is a nutter, he's not wired up like the rest of us, he's a bloody genius on the field but you always feel he is treading a very thin line and when he crosses it, he's a nasty little git.
However, I understand off the field he is a perfectly nice lad and does a lot for charity etc. So the combination of the two characters presents a tormented genius, Gazza like without the nastiness.
What do we do? Well, all those including myself, should stop for a second and reflect the great times he's given us all, the excitement and anticipation on the ball, the wonderful skills in tight situations, nutmegs, brilliant goals, fantastic free kicks, determination and just a top, top, player, one of the very best and he's worn our shirt, thank you, thank you, thank you Luis.
However, there is no hiding place now and he's in the last chance saloon - literally. He's brought shame and disgrace on himself, his family, his country and everyone of us. There is no excuse so for me, time to go but you go with another thanks from me and I hope he gets help - quickly.
JFT96

26 Jun 2014 18:27:45
I think the best thing to do now is look at the positives off this situation. Firstly I don't think as many of us will be upset about him leaving definitely not as much as if he hadn't of bit someone.
Secondly if Barcelona are interested we can make this deal happen as quick as possible as we will be more keen to get rid of him.

What's done is done he's a selfish prick but there's nothing we can do. Realistically he got us to second and nearly won us the league. Not individually as we was much more then a one man team but he helped a lot. Fingers crossed Sanchez is coming out way and we can get a good load of cash to build up our team!

26 Jun 2014 18:22:56
Sorry it's a Suarez related question, but I was just wondering. If Suarez stays can Liverpool legally refuse to pay his wages until he is eligible to play?

Cheers. Red Rum

{Ed002's Note - No, Liverpool can only do what it says in his contract.}

Mate elbowing, pushing, tackling and punching (not so much) is a part of the game like it or not. However BITING someone is not.
Sometimes I wonder have some of you ever played football.

Gooner, elbowing and headbutts are not part of the game.

Come on, these things happen in the heat of the game, misstimed tackles and turns. Btw I didn't mention headbutts, of course they are not part of the game.

I'm not so sure we're on the right thread

Elbowing and punching a part of the game?

What chance have we got of a balanced and reasoned discussion with moronic statements like this. Sadly, this is probably representative of a fair ammount of fans these days.

Ok mate you win, bitting is cool, everything else sucks.
If you ever played football and you never got an elbow in your face, or a tackle than you must have been the fat boy who was in goal.

{Ed001's Note - when did he say that? He just pointed out that elbowing and punching is not part of the game, then you went off on one like a complete idiot! You are only making his point for him. None of those things are part of the game, nor should they be. Whether biting, punching, stamping on the foot, scratching, pulling hair, elbowing, whatever.}

Punching apart from keepers elbows everyone at least needs to raise their elbows to jump kicking that can happen all of those can be a mistake, biting not so much, the blokes a dinlo

Pardoe, All those things 'can' be an accident but a lot of the time they blatantly aren't. Consistency is definitely needed.

{Ed001's Note - no one needs to raise their elbows to jump anyway, that is a complete lie that footballers have spread to allow them to throw their arms around. Throwing the arms in the air can help, but not the elbows out style that footballers use deliberately. Obviously the throwing arms straight up is out because it raises the risk of handball, but there is no reason for the elbows to go out at all. John Charles never needed to do it and he could leap like a salmon.}

Gooner, when did I condone biting. You're making yourself look daft.

By the way I've played for twenty years at a decent standard, no fat goalies in my leagues, son. I play against tough lads, none of them are thugs though.

Ussin bolt can run 100m in 9.69 seconds, doesn't mean everyone can lol ;)
I do have to disagree to an extent, although your right, you don't need to raise elbows, most players that jump this way, it's a natural reaction over years of playing football. it helps you jump without a big risk of handball while protecting yourself and aiding balance.

I'm pretty sure everyone in sunday league jumps like that haha

{Ed001's Note - I never did, but I learnt to jump differently when being stupid enough to play with broken ribs, more than once. I was more worried about my ribs than anything else, and I learnt to increase my leap by not throwing my elbows out, so it was win win!}

26 Jun 2014 18:05:37
I have played, watched, coached and managed football for over 30 years now and always supported my beloved team through good and bad and over the last few years I have read the interesting banter on this site. I think now is the time to give up. Suarez- how can someone be so stupid and have so much influence over a club. He needs to be banned for life but no company can afford to lose an asset valued at that level. What astonished me also is that we still have to pay the wages when he brings a great club down.
But what worries me more is the influence that these top players have on young people and they all know that biting is wrong and this is backed up by the bans and bad press for the player, it is the bad behaviour and attitude from these players on display that continues to get worse and they are rewarded with yet more ridiculous saleries. They can't even apologies. Someone needs to get a grip of this game.

Did you happen to see the Antonio valencia for Columbia tackle last knight career threatening leg braking tackle he gets a two or three game ban he new exactly what he was doing he tried to hurt the lad not hearing anyone shouting give him a 20 game ban and don't tell me bitting some one on their shoulder is worst than a two footed lunge at a players leg and I am not condoning suarez but let's have a level playing field

{Ed002's Note - The level playing field for Suarez has long gone - everything he does now has to consider the past behaviour, from the head-butt when he was a teenager, the Evra issues and the three separate biting incidents. He has never learned.}

26 Jun 2014 18:03:18
Ed2 now that the Uruguay fa are appealing does that just involve international games? Surely the appeal can't affect Liverpool or does it?

{Ed002's Note - The appeal would have to be against the whole of the punishment.}

26 Jun 2014 18:49:29
Ok ed thanks for your reply. Would the Uruguay FA have to consult Liverpool? Because if they extend the ban it affects Liverpool? Sorry I am just trying to understand how it works?

{Ed002's Note - The Uruguayans may have had the courtesy to - but then again ....}

26 Jun 2014 19:09:49
Very strange that they haven't just accepted it then?

26 Jun 2014 22:29:40
So what if they appealed and his punishment was worsened, could we appeal against the Uruguayan FA's stupidity? ;)

27 Jun 2014 07:53:45
Damn, your saying there's the potential for this to bite (no pun intended) Liverpool in the ass (shoulder?) even more?
It has to be the very definition of a frivolous appeal surely?

Ed002, do you know if an appeal against the severity of the punishment could be the case? I fully support Fifas actions even if it has totally thrown out summer plans, I just don't know if that type of appeal is possible.

I would imagine Uruguay are appealing it all, I really wish they would shut up, this could end up costing us a shoulder and a tooth in wages!

{Ed002's Note - I really have no idea. I suspect it is an option that will not be exercised.}

26 Jun 2014 17:33:27
Eds

Do you think we will now be re-thinling our transfer dealings, and likely the likes of Shaqiri and sanchez be affected?

{Ed002's Note - I am sure the club are pondering many things.}

26 Jun 2014 17:25:59
In news unrelated to Mr. Suarez, Luis Alberto will join Malaga on loan next season.

26 Jun 2014 17:09:20
Eds, now that the Moreno deal is apparently off, do you know of any alternatives?

{Ed002's Note - Only who I have mentioned, but no doubt the club is considering all transfer options again now.}

27 Jun 2014 06:27:53
So Ed002, is what the Sevilla director said true? Is the deal off? Thank you

{Ed001's Note - well we have failed to agree a deal with the club, so are looking elsewhere, yes.}

26 Jun 2014 16:51:12
I know its a minor point eds but shouldn't Chiellini have got a retrospective red card for his elbow on Suarez. I know he only did it because he got bitten, but he still retaliated and it's there for everyone to see. I would have liked to have seen him get one because I am still bitter about Beckham's red card for retaliating in 1998.

26 Jun 2014 17:19:35
Come on mate let's leave the italian guy out of it the waste of space done what he dun, end of let's put it another way! What u do when your kids are growing up u teach them to stick up for themselfs when u show them how to play football u dnt teach them to bite people do u! NO u dont.
This guy is suppost to be a model of football but let's face it he is everything u dnt want in the game. Me personally think he should be banned for life and should never be allowed to play the game agen. Infact if a was the italian ad press charges in court abh section 47 maybe a spell in jail might sort this scumbags head out. I love Liverpool football club and this guy is dragging us thru the mud

So if you had someone latched onto your shoulder biting you, you wouldn't try to get them off? Beckham wasnt attacked, what he did was just silly, but how can you seriously blame chiellini for retaliating in a way any human would? Leave the sporting rules out of this and use your head, stupid post

Are you serious bobby, I would of knocked suarezs teeth out if he had done that to me

Good idea Roberto, at least that way he wouldn't be able to do it again!

26 Jun 2014 16:40:42
Hi ed
Very disappointed about Suarez I would like Liverpool to sell him club stands above any other player I am really hurt when I say club should sell him but it is what it is

26 Jun 2014 16:32:34
Sorry Ed002, FIFA have just confirmed that it does not preclude a transfer.

{Ed002's Note - I have said that repeatedly.}

26 Jun 2014 16:31:21
Ed002 does his ban have an effect on a potential transfer. I don't mean money & interest, but literally is he allowed to transfer?

{Ed002's Note - He can move clubs.}

26 Jun 2014 16:29:47
Like allot of people after the bite on ivanovich I gave him the benefit of the doubt, but I was embarrassed. and maybe because he was our best player I felt Ed002 was abit harsh on the guy. but boy do I get it now. I don't want him near anfield again and the fact that some people blame anybody else but the guy himself is incredible! is this what u want to tell your kids, if the going gets tough and you're having a bad game BITE?! didn't totally agree with you Ed002 before about the guy, but i'm a believer now!

{Ed002's Note - You can now sign up for the Ed002 Appreciation Society at: tinyurl.com/c6j7t2m }

Always appreciated your work, just thought you were abit harsh on the little runt!

26 Jun 2014 16:28:35
Hey eds, do u see the 4 month ban having a severe impact on Suarez's transfer fee? Do u still see Barca and Real wanting him considering he will miss a third of the season? i'm assuming the owners will under considerable pressure from the sponsors to sell him, so is it possible the club will accept a reduced fee for him rather than haggling over the fee that they originally had in mind?

{Ed002's Note - I have no feeling for what the club are thinking financially. I think right now you can scratch interest from Madrid.}

Isnt the buying club going to have problems just the same with there sponsers?

26 Jun 2014 16:20:12
Truely gutted! Not for Suarez but for us and Liverpool. We and the club suffer big time for his actions. I really hope he can be moved on without his stock dramatically falling. Really gutted.

Ed001. That Suarez poll from yesterday? You should run it again. See the difference.

{Ed001's Note - I will run it the day after tomorrow mate, just to give a day for it to settle and people to think it over.}

26 Jun 2014 16:09:51
Sorry I can't defend Suarez he deserves everything he gets. I just hope someone comes up with some cash to buy him now. We must sell. Ed2 I am in right in saying he can play in Uruguay friendly games after the four months? There is only so much a player can keep letting you down.

{Ed002's Note - He cannot play in any International games. He won't be playing in friendlies.}

26 Jun 2014 16:25:38
Am I being stupid but for the reasons LFC now want rid off him (i.e. Sponsors) would the same not apply to any major club trying to sign him.

If so what I believe to be the situation is LFC are going to have no choice but too now keep him. If they sell, it would surely be for a massively reduced fee. Business logic say's if that loss is in transfer revenue is more than any sponsership losses then they will keep the player.

Not defending his actions, the only thing I care about is the club I love. See earlier posts from the year, I personally think we should be selling him this summer whilst we have CL football and ability to attract a quality replacement. I have thought this since last summer and his actions then.

Just see no other choice for the club but to keep him or take the moral high ground that will cost us millions.

26 Jun 2014 16:06:11
Just a quick question eds sorry its not Liverpool related buy can a player pass a medical without a price being agreed between 2 clubs? Thanks

{Ed002's Note - If the player has permission to have a medical.}

26 Jun 2014 16:04:23
TWoooh Suarez will stay?!
What GARBAGE
Suarez has damaged.Liverpools brand, sponsors and if he stays will be.out for 2 months! Whilst receiving a weekly 200kpay.check! He has wanted out for months, he has caused a lot of damage to our club! I am absolutely furious with him, my son watched.the him bite'' another player because.he was.frustrated?!
I want him out, out the door asap! He will do it again, let him do it elsewhere. No morals, no repsect, I have no sympathy for him, a mental l'llness? What an.insult to those who actully are unwell in the head.

Spot on Big Al.

26 Jun 2014 16:01:17
I really hope Real Madrid or Barcelona are still in for him. He has either way really hit our season hard with this nonsense.

26 Jun 2014 15:51:41
Okay so let's say Mr Suarez were to be sold to let's say. Barcelona for example in this window. Am I right In thinking a) Depending on payment plan between both parties, will Liverpool receive agreed monies from the buying club this window b) Will documentations regarding the transfer be processed as normal or will the buying club have to wait for the next window for it all to go through meaning he couldn't make his return to football early November.

Cheers

Anfield Apple

{Ed002's Note - He can be sold this window.}

26 Jun 2014 16:07:49
Hi Eds, great work with all you do.

I was wondering with the Suarez 4 month ban (from any football related activity), surely this would now make him unable to conclude any transfer (if that does happen), I mean you would not be able to negotiate terms, or even sign. as all could be seen as "football related". thus we may be stuck with him until the new year.
Personally I thought the "sanctions" dished out by FIFA to LS were very lenient indeed. I am just saddened that we now face the the posibility of losing our most exciting player (either to transfer) but certainly to a ban.

{Ed001's Note - he can still be transferred.}

26 Jun 2014 15:47:55
Suarez can still be transferred but will a team come in for him? If they do it will be a lot less money

Indeed. Suarez yet again shafting Liverpool FC with is stupid actions.

Whos going to pay him 200 grand a week, for him to do nothing.Liverpool he can't be sold

How on earth does this reduce his price? His price is his price. Other teams either pay it or we keep him simple. The club won't be desperate to let him go so if anyone wants him they pay the clause simple. I hate the way everyone say' she will go for less

26 Jun 2014 15:45:58
Eds
I posted last night that it was shocking that the official LFC website contained no mention yet alone an acknowledgement of the Suraez biting incident and there is still no official mention of the ban on the web site.
WE are close to becoming a public relations disaster and whoever is taking care of this at the club appears to think that avoidance is the best approach.
Before anyone says this I am aware of Skys reports that the club is preparing a statement.
A global business and highly regarded club such as LFC needs to get its act together.
My post last night was consigned to the other posts page and I hope that this is posted on the banter page.

{Ed002's Note - The club has priorities and has sensibly said nothing. I have explained the priorities they will have now.}

I am not as experienced or clued up in the PR area as you Ed2 but in this age of instant global information the club has to do better.

{Ed002's Note - The club are back in to a recover and clean up mode through no fault of their own.}

26 Jun 2014 15:50:00
Please put me right but will Liverpool be affected more than Uruguay.This can't be right and I'm not defending Suarez he needs to go

Liverpool are the biggest losers by quite a distance. We will probably end up selling him for a lesser transfer fee and possibly having to cover his wages to whoever buys him (hopefully). that's a very big financial hit in itself, and also the situation with the sponsors will be a big distraction for the club. The 23 million we paid for him does not look like a bargain anymore. No player is worth all this hassle, and that would include a fusion of Messi and Ronaldo. Absolutely gutted.

26 Jun 2014 15:40:15
its a hecky disaster here with Suarez he just knocked off 20 mil off the transfer kit

pure evil and why can't Liverpool appeal if the ban includes them

Absoultely suarez bull shit

{Ed002's Note - The ban is nothing to do directly with Liverpool - it is to do with Suarez. And what exactly would be the basis of this appeal?}

Fifa saying an appeal won't have suspensive effect other than on monies to be paid ,?" Not really an appeal then?

26 Jun 2014 15:33:37
hi ed, in your honest opinion do you think suarez will play for Liverpool football club again?thanks

{Ed002's Note - I can only speculate - much will depend on what he says in the coming days and whether a buy can be found who can provide up front money to sit on a player through November.}

26 Jun 2014 15:24:23
What a mess this is.
I've tried to defend him in the past but I can't anymore.
He's proven what he is.
I don't think he is evil, he's just got his morals wrong.
He wants to win so bad he'll do anything.
It's time for us to move on and part our ways.
What a shame.
Possibly the best player that's played for Liverpool?
Hard to judge as it's over a shorter period of time to others.
I'll never forget his goal against Newcastle when he controlled a 50 yard pass with his shoulder.
Unfortunately I'll never forget the time he racially abused Evra, or him biting Chiellini and Ivanovic

26 Jun 2014 15:29:23
Hmmm, so Liverpool get punished more than Uruguay! Surely that cannot be right, will be interesting to see what Liverpool's reaction shall be.

26 Jun 2014 15:37:11
It actually works out at 22 games in total for club and country

{Ed002's Note - More than that if you include all games. And then he would return not having trained with team mates.}

Well he's banned for 9 EPL games over the 4 months, so it's even.

{Ed002's Note - 7 friendlies, 3 league games, 1 league cup, 3 champions league games. Then he returns having not played or trained with the new players.}

26 Jun 2014 15:46:56
Liverpool aren't the one's being punished here. Suarez is being punished. Remember that.

26 Jun 2014 15:47:29
I really expect Liverpool to appeal this I thought a ban from international matches and a heavy fine would have been the outcome maybe even miss more games for Uruguay than Liverpool this way he misses double the games for Liverpool the utd loving media got what they wanted.

{Ed002's Note - This is poor Tommy. It is nothing to do with Manchester United. The player has and continues to behave in a way which will get him repeated lengthy bans and the press will be more than happy to report it. He is the only one that can be blamed.}

26 Jun 2014 15:48:58
Liverpool haven't been punished, Suarez has.

Give over Tommy, you're embarrassing yourself. It's got nothing to do with Man Utd. The blame lies solely with Luis Suarez.

How is it only 3 league games? Surely it's a lot more than that?

{Ed002's Note - {Ed002's Note - Sorry - 7 friendlies, 9 league games, 1 league cup, 3 champions league games. Then he returns having not played or trained with the new players.}

26 Jun 2014 15:57:45
He can't even train with Liverpool ed? Would that be very difficult to enforce or would it just be down to insurance reasons i.e. he wouldn't be covered?

{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with insurance. Should Liverpool wish to conspire to breach that punishment it would be likely that the club would be fined and his punishment would, perhaps, be doubled.}

26 Jun 2014 15:17:58
For those who are not watching this Suarez news break on ssn, they are now just saying that FIFA are unsure if the administrative ban will include banning him from any potential transfers, FIFA are having to check with their lawyers. This is a disgrace, I agree with the long ban and he needs to be punished, but its a disgrace how we are getting punished so much here, we may not be able to play him OR sell him now, so its a massive cost to Liverpool which I find totally unfair, yes its Suarez' fault and we only have him to blame but we may now lose points and money because of this, feeling very hard done by as a club!

Having said that ssn are now reporting that they have got to he bottom of the question and Suarez WILL be allowed to be transferred, which is some good news to come out of it at least (if you can call it good news) but will anyone want to buy him now, or even pay the suggested 80mil value!

Its a very odd ban when you think he has already been given 8 and 10 game bans, you would think the 3rd would be longer again. But I guess he should have tried to break both of Chiellinis legs, he would have got less of a ban then! (Totally stupid punishment laws hey!)

{Ed002's Note - The third is longer - about 20 games for Liverpool (including friendlies) and in to 2015 internationally.}

26 Jun 2014 15:40:19
I don't know who I am more angry with about this - Suarez, Uruguay or FIFA. Suarez is obvious, Uruguay because they clearly don't see his behaviour as a problem and therefore haven't managed him properly, or FIFA for punishing LFC like this when the club have done everything possible to help put him right. I just hope Real or Barca are still prepared to buy him, because I don't want our club to be tarnished or punished any more by his stupid behaviour.

26 Jun 2014 16:34:25
How are Liverpool hard done buy should we as a club nt have known what we were buying, this isn't the first time he has caused problems his whole time here at anfield. We. Choose to hold out for more money there for we ran the risk of this happening Ed002 has said many times what kind of person this thing is and a bad excuse to the human race is kind on him, the guy is a waste of oxgyen!

If for instance I had a ground worker that worked for me that was great at his job but a mess of a guy and trouble he'd be sacked, now this creature we call suarez is nothing more than a creep and should have been sold 12 months ago! There for we are as much to blame as a club for holding out for more money

26 Jun 2014 15:12:51
I think he got off lightly. Time to say goodbye.

26 Jun 2014 15:24:22
We can't even sell him though can we? LFC the ones being punished, thanks Luis!

26 Jun 2014 15:09:36
This is NOT a defence against Suarez - but, last year Arsenal were willing to pay £40m for him, with all the baggage he has now. From a investment point of view, his biggest downside is the time he WON'T be playing football.

I still think LFC will find a suitable buyer, although I would imagine LFC will have to pay his wages until he is eligible again (Nov?).

No doubt, FSG are pretty upset.

At the end of the day, if his value is lower, it is LFC fans who will have to pay for his behaviour, as the business model would have taken into account any extra revenue they might have got for sales.

And LFC fans can now be sure any hope of winning the league has diminished without his being on the pitch for this time.

I think the punishment is correct, if harsh on LFC and the fans.

If a buyer can't be found, BR's rebuilding strategy has been severely hit.

Woe is us.

{Ed002's Note - I suspect Liverpool's immediate effort is to stop the player making any more statements unless he is willing to apologise to the player.}

Liverpool didn't do too bad without him for the first 6 games last season. But obviously it would be much better with him.

Ed can Liverpools legal team dispute this ban saying he the ban should be limited to international matches as when he was banned playing for us he could still play for Uruguay so why not vica verse? Also will we still have to pay his wages until he can play for us? Lastly do you think he will be sold come start of the season and a replacement found?
Kind Regards.

Hi agree withe kaiser get that overturned (I wish) then bloody sell him.

26 Jun 2014 16:30:48
He is deluded Ed002 him and his lawyer still think he has done nothing wrong.

26 Jun 2014 14:54:11
Suarez . 9 match ban and 4 month ban from any footballing activity
yet again he'll miss a season starting.

{Ed002's Note - Good, so that is dealt with.}

I really don't see him being around here for it to affect us anymore, I seriously don't see us keeping him to miss yet another season start for poor behaviour

Have to agree Edd02. Hopefully the end of the numerous posts
.

26 Jun 2014 15:03:18
Hopefully we can just sell him now.

Eds, they state he is banned from all football playing and administrative so will this block transfers or not

{Ed002's Note - It doesn't impact transfers. It is simply (a) 9 international games from now. (b) 4 months ban on playing, training, helping out with the youth etc. for Liverpool or any new club. (c) A ban from entering any football stadium for four months, and (d) a ban on entering any stadium where Uruguay are playing after the four months is up and before the 9 games have been played. (e) SF100k fine.}

26 Jun 2014 15:10:29
So he will miss first quarter of our season. Could of been worse but I just want rid of him now. He is a dirty horrible excuse of a man. I Just hope the ban doesn't put off Barca getting him Eds?

26 Jun 2014 15:17:45
This is the best possible news for LFC. This is the only way we won't have to sell the best striker in the world. I reckon he would have gone to Barca for a cut price fee if all this had not have happened. Now he will come back fresh and with an added dose of guilt so he will have to repay us in goals.

Get in.

Apples

Now is the time to sell. I wonder how this may impact our acquisition of Alexis Sanchez.

A total and complete jerk. What did that biting achieve aside from lowering his reputation, and the reputation and image of his club and country. My posts in the past have praised his superb footballing abilities, and I still stand by them. But he is a complete and total jerk.

All we Liverpool FC fans can do is pray that Real and Barca continue their pursuit of Suarez and get into a bidding war for his services. Barca especially will be buying for the next 3-4 transfer windows because of their inevitable transfer ban, so just keeping my fingers crossed we get atleast 35-40 million pounds cash along with Sanchez for Suarez.
The guy gave us LFC fans many 'wow' moments and was the only true world class player (apart from StevieG of course) that graced Anfield for quite some time, but he has let the whole club down with his inhuman and reckless antics and the time to part ways has come.
So thank u Luis for the memories and helping to get this great club back into the champions league, but u do not deserve the support of LFC fans anymore. U have shoved all the support and help given to u by the LFC family down their throats, so good riddance.

And I urge the club to sell if the ban conditions allow it, at the highest price possible, and let the chips fall where they may! Enough of this annual drama and comedy! I wonder how many realize how unsettling this man, and his annual summer antics, is for the club, staff and fellow players. Many will say "how about his goals for us?" My response is that he got paid for his goals handsomely to the extent of being one of the highest rewarded footballers in the country! Let's go find someone else with equal ability, reward him just as well, and get the decent sportsmanlike like behavior on and off the football field that the club stands for and expects.

26 Jun 2014 16:30:27
Cheers Ed002, hopefully we can get him sold and get a replacement who can actually play a full season and doesn't disgrace the club in. Although he is a fantastic player one of the best in the world doing what he does doesn't help the club and we need to focus on building a team around other players and not one that shames the club

26 Jun 2014 14:35:33
Liverpool have been installed as favourites ahead of Manchester United to clinch Yevhen Konoplyanka's signature this summer.

The Reds came close to signing the Ukrainian winger in January, but a deal for him collapsed on deadline day.

Brendan Rodgers has already brought in Rickie Lambert and Emre Can, and he appears close to signing Belgian striker Divock Origi too.

And now it seems Konoplyanka could be Anfield bound, at least according to the bookies. has Liverpool as 9/4 favourites to clinch a deal for Konoplyanka this summer.

Manchester United, who are looking to be busy in Louis Van Gaal's first transfer window, are priced at 5/2.

Meanwhile, Liverpool are 2/5 clear favourites to sign Alexis Sanchez.

Source: Daily Express

26 Jun 2014 13:36:15
Eds 2

So Suarez has done wrong.
The British media though are the embarrassment here. I have looked at other countries newspapers and media and none have treated him as badly as ours. not even the Italians.
He has commited a foul in a FOOTBALL game which he will get punished for. He is though not a murderer. but a human being in need of help.
I bet if Chelsea signed him he would be a Saint.

{Ed002's Note - What has it got to do with Chelsea? It is unbelievable that you have to turn everything in to something about other clubs. It is really, really embarrassing for people to be reading this.}

26 Jun 2014 14:33:31
and its not embarrssing calling him a nasty little s. t.
Did you see Valencia nasty pre-meditated tackle last night, Sackho's & Giroulds deliberate elbow. are they nasty little s. ts too. Choose your comments carefully.

{Ed002's Note - It is not about Valecia, nor Sakho, nor Giroud. It is about the nasty little shit that lies, cheats, head-butts, bites, racially abuses others. And how about Dalglish - the runt cost him his job. I would think that the club will be looking to move him on before he does any more damage to them and their sponsors.}

Mate this is embarassing.

I am a Liverpool fan and have always supported Suarez however in this situation you cannot defend him.

He hasn't committed a "foul on a football pitch" he has BITTEN somebody, with every intention to hurt them.
It is a disgusting act, worse than heabutts and elbows, because of the animalistic connotations it has.
It's dirty, dangerous and inhumane.

Football isn't a 'no holds barred' sport, were as soon as you enter the pitch there are no rules.
This goes beyond a sporting incident.

He deserves no sympathy either, he already has recieved help, at great expense to our club, both financially and in terms of its global reputation.

He has been given chance after chance, but the bottom line is he is a selfish person, with a will to win that makes him try anything to not lose.

All his good work last season on his reputation it meaningless now and I can't imagine what Rogers is thinking.

Superb you cannot justify his actions mate and anybody else that does, as All the eds have said he's a bad un great footballer horrible person he's got to go.

I'm with you superb.

And that is what is going to eventually go on Suarez's side Ed. That attitude.

You are saying it's ok to elbow and make bad tackles, and you are not alone. Alan Shearer will back you up. He made the same comments last night.

Suarez and his lawyers won't settle on this I feel and will use the very comments you are defending in his favour and to an extent rightly so.

Yes he should be banned but is it worse than any of the above? No.

This could possibly open a right can of worms and change football massively.

Don't think Liverpool fans are stupid either we know our stuff and do not like injustice.

He is in the wrong and the club will sort him out. If they sell him, fine. If he stays that's cool too. But until Liverpool Football Club make a statement we remain quiet and we will back them as unit. Because that my friend is what we are about.

We stand bloody together.

{Ed001's Note - No one is saying it is ok to do those things, only you are saying that. Give it a rest, this is embarrassing. You are just bringing more shame on a great club that I love, to add to the crap that little turd has brought down on us by his own repeated actions. This is about what one moron did and now more morons are defending him with meaningless comparisons.}

26 Jun 2014 15:55:21
You are just embarrassing yourself with those comments OP.

26 Jun 2014 13:28:11
out of curiosity, how come my admittedly long post didn't make it on anywhere? I didn't back up suarez.I said he deserved a ban whatever fifa deals out, yet some muppets who defend him are getting their posts published?

{Ed002's Note - I can't see any long posts submitted by you - try the blog page.}

I posted it last night, maybe another ed didn't like it, or maybe something went wrong in the sending. No worries though. cheers for looking and replying

26 Jun 2014 12:53:50
Jc has tiped that luis suarez will be leaving lfc.cheers edds

26 Jun 2014 12:22:37
Even though the Window hasn't officially opened yet, I think the business that should be done should be ;

CB) Lovren
LB) Alberto Moreno
LW) Sanchez
ST)? Honestly not sure yet

This would be with Suarez leaving and perhaps Agger as much as I love him.

I think Sakho and Lovren would be a very good partnership. And are left side with Moreno and Sanchez would be amazing with the pace and skill they both possess.

26 Jun 2014 12:46:36
I think if Sanchez comes in, he will come in as a striker. Lallana/Shaqiri could be the wide player.

I did hear that lovren would like to follow pochettino to tottenham

Moreno move is off!

It's not off we just haven't got the money as yet for down payment. Once a few players are sold we will no doubt tie it up.

26 Jun 2014 11:38:30
I suppose any major transfer activity will be on hold until the club know what to do with Suarez.

If Barca or Real are interested they will be smart and wait/holdout until as late as they can, if LFC say they want rid the price will tumble.

Suarez could muck up our whole window.

It's sad that we are once again unable to finalise the deals for our so called main targets, not sure how the club will be able to secure there main targets if they don't value them at the selling clubs price. Long way to go but this window could yet again be a false dawn despite CL.

26 Jun 2014 11:21:58
So. we are closing in/sign/in talk with sanchez, shaqiri, origi, lallana, lovren and moreno. c'mon people. did we finish 6 or 7 last season? yes we need strengething but this is like doing a "spurs"

Btw who out of this would u like us to sign most?

26 Jun 2014 11:29:15
sanchez and lovern

Ashley cole on a free

{Ed002's Note - A two year deal would cost Liverpool £15M+.}

But ed, don't you think that although spending that amount on Ashley Cole seems crazy, we have a huge prospect in brad smith so for brad smith to have one of englands greatest left backs to train with week in week out would majorly benefit our youth? Its just a thought, not saying I want it to happen but as a young left back myself, i'd love to train with a hugely experienced figure. On the other hand for a lot less money we could sign a player like Bertrand who I think is a very good player. He is definitely available and underrated by most on here, he for me is a good option too.

{Ed002's Note - I would doubt Liverpool could afford him.}

26 Jun 2014 11:00:30
Eds,

Your opinion regarding Suarez. If FIFA give him a lesser ban than the FA did, ( 10 games) how would that affect any future FA punishments for anybody else. Could they then argue that FA are far too heavy? Will FIFA look at bans already handed out and go harsher than them? Just curious as to how this might all work out.

{Ed002's Note - The FA did not give him any ban - an independent panel decided on the punishment. He is a repeat offender who has a life-time ban hanging over his head for something else. Just move on.}

Would that lifetime ban be for the racism, headbutting the ref, or rude gestures to the fans Ed?

26 Jun 2014 09:54:33
I think the worst part of Suarez biting is not the incident it self, but all of us that have defended him and said he is a much better person etc. However I do not think the biting reflects how he is as a person, but more some reflex that makes him bite when he is tired, frustrated and full of adrenaline. In my mind that is better than him being cruel and trying to hurt another player behind the referees back, and then to try to get away with it. It also means that he is mentally unstable and will bite again. If someone struggle with something like this I think it would be way to much to keep him out of football for 2 years. I guess a normal ban would be enough.

Another part I find interesting in the Suarez saga is todays pictures of Neymar mocking Suarez in training. Biting his team mates and laughing of Suarez. Lates reports is that Barcelona is the favourites to buy him, but with Neymars mocking you'll never know the reaction from Suarez. Maybe he does not want to play with Neymar, and we all know who Barcelona will choose of the two.

I have not yet decided what I want Liverpool to do with Suarez. My specualtion is that in can only be a ban in international games, and the bite will be forgotten as soon as he starts to score next season. On the other side. If the bites out of cruelty I do not want a player like that in LFC. Replacing Suarez with Lallana, Sanchez and Shaquiri would let us keep on scoring goals and bolster the squad.

"trying to hurt another player behind the referees back, and then to try to get away with it"

You are not trying to suggest he did anything other then that surely?

Did you miss his play acting after the bite?

26 Jun 2014 10:48:41
No, I didn't. Here is my thinking. Suarez bites earlier was in two big matches where he played bad and got very frustrated. I think when this happens he loses control and snaps, and just after the bites he realizes what he have done, and against Italy he started pretend that Chiellini had hurt him to not get sent off. However we cannot completely rule out that he actually hurt his teeth. Chiellini is pretty hard I would imagine, and not fun to bite into. In my eyes it is better that he loses control than he deliberately bites someone. Because that is just childish and makes fools out of us saying he's a better person. I guess he was a biter when he was young and fought with biting. I thing he had 3 older brothers, and when you are weaker one of the only ways to hurt someone is to bite. I guess when he gets tired, angry and frustrated in games he kind of goes back to the basics and he gets triggered to bite. My suggestion is that he is forced to use mouthguard in big games.

26 Jun 2014 09:20:19
{Ed033's Note - New Liverpool blog entitled Luis Saurez bites again by IranRed in London is on the Liverpool FC Blog page

26 Jun 2014 08:24:32
Hearing/reading Shaqiri's agent has flown in for talks with LFC and will be in UK today. It's his brother.
Any truth eds?

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea where his brother is today.}

26 Jun 2014 09:02:38
He asked for directions at my place Ed002. Bit of a bell-end that fellow.

26 Jun 2014 07:37:06
Hi eds and fellow reds,

Just a quick question if you could give your opinion?
Michu? Swansea have just signed gomis ana already have bony, I thought his 1st season he was brilliant and a great finisher, I know his season last season was great but surely you could put it down to injuries? Only 26 aswell and can handle playing in premier league,
Good shout I think?

{Ed002's Note - There is interest from elsewhere - not from Liverpool.}

I'm pretty sure he's off to West Ham mate, for a fairly reasonable fee too from what i've heard, around £6-8 million. To be honest despite him clearly being a technically good player I don't think he would work in our system, especially when he would be competing with Lambert. Part of me wonders if he will ever be able to find the form of his first season again, it seems that teams are now much more comfortable at defending him as a lead striker. I say this and he will probably go and score a hat-trick against us next season lol.

26 Jun 2014 00:26:19
Any interest from Liverpool in Colombia's James Rodriguez now or in recent past? Looks handy.

{Ed002's Note - No.}

Everyone does realise this is the same guy who signed for Monaco for like £40 million or something don't they?

26 Jun 2014 08:54:41
I suspect they don't.