Liverpool Banter Archive August 26 2015

26 Aug 2015 23:10:40
The eds ed1 and ed2 have really guessed and predicted wrong this window!

{Ed002's Note - I am sorry you are not happy with it Tony - feel free to go elsewhere. Most of the folks on this page are happy to receive whatever information that we can share - but there is always the brain dead cocksucking element like you that will throw the Dail Express in our faces.}

26 Aug 2015 23:58:44
Eds I wouldn't take it personally. Obviously seen his name is wrong, it should be Kermit or Wozzy Bear being he's such a muppet.

27 Aug 2015 00:25:43
What a miserable excuse for a human being. This is the one site I know of on the net where 99% of what you read isn't utter garbage, and you still want to criticise the Editors?
Do you really want to have to trawl through pages of lies on the metro site, or caught offside? Really?
Its plain good manners to show some appreciation when people give you something you never had, and all you can do is attack them.
If you don't like it it then get the hell off the site, and don't spoil the only source of genuine information most of us fans will ever have.

27 Aug 2015 02:14:52
Stupid post and a poor excuse of a wind up.

27 Aug 2015 04:37:14
well if you have seen sopranos the series- tony sopranos is the muppet in the show. Why do even post that sort of thing. and eds have been always right . they have always said where the interest lies and who certain clubs are looking at. whatever happens next depends on too many factors as ed002 has repeatedly brought to our knowledge.

27 Aug 2015 05:04:17
I would just like to say that I don't post often but read this site with interest each day and find the information and opinions shared by ed's 1+2 very insightful and informative, helps me look like I've a little football knowledge when having a few pints with the mates!

26 Aug 2015 21:03:34
Something I've been meaning to ask eds, do FA rules state each club can only have one sponsor on its kits? (Excluding training gear etc) if so do u see it changing? (Not to the extent of south american kits though!)

{Ed002's Note - Yes, they have limits on sponsors, the dimensions of advertising, etc.. It is written in to the annual regs (with pictures for those clubs not bright enough to understand the words alone.}

26 Aug 2015 18:38:03
Great job on P4 men. Very enjoyable. Any insights into what this weekend's one will be about?

{Ed001's Note - not sure yet, depends on if anything happens to talk about between now and then.}

26 Aug 2015 20:57:52
Saying as it's transfer window time, what about one on the Transfer Committee ?
Who's roles are what, who directs the scouts, how their information is assessed by the committee, how the final choices are made, the bidding process and FSG's input, and how the Board of Directors get involved ?

The TC process still confuses me.

26 Aug 2015 21:07:09
Hi Ed001, this may bore other people but I must say i'm interested in the review that took place throughout last season and what actions are now in place (i.e. are we going to treat foreign players differently than previously in terms of support; have we got development plans for youth players, what does the future hold for the team, when will FSG decide spending needs to be based upon money within the club, etc. ).

{Ed002's Note - This has been done to death Hoola, you can search and read more about it. I suspect most of it was at a higher level than you imagine.}

27 Aug 2015 08:01:51
OK thanks Ed!

27 Aug 2015 09:51:38
Ed001, weren't you going to make a podcast about FSG?

{Ed001's Note - yes mate, I still intend to do so.}

26 Aug 2015 17:39:18
Congratulations to massive Liverpool fan Van Niekerk, on winning the 400 meters gold at the world championships. YNWA or maybe that should be you'll never run alone?

{Ed001's Note - just hope he doesn't do what the hammer thrower gold medal winner did after picking up the trophy. Went out on the lash and used the medal to pay for his taxi ride home. Divvy!}

26 Aug 2015 18:20:12
Just a doubt, Is bolt a Liverpool fan?

{Ed001's Note - Usain Bolt supports Man Utd.}

26 Aug 2015 18:48:53
he got it back ed001 thankfully

{Ed001's Note - not sure I would have had any sympathy if he lost it personally. Might have taught him a valuable lesson.}

26 Aug 2015 20:08:28
Did he really get it back? That's a great ending.

26 Aug 2015 20:03:47
Yeah I heard about that Ed001, calling him divvy is very polite of you, imagine what his trainer called him!?

Van Niekerk had to be stretched from the stadium, he couldn't walk after the race because he'd put his all into it.

Plus it was the first time ever three men had gone under 44 seconds. So well done lad, just hope our lads give it their all this season like he did to be a winner.

{Ed001's Note - stretched from the stadium? I now have visions of him on the rack.....}

27 Aug 2015 03:31:32
I take it he was hammered!

27 Aug 2015 04:49:25
Have you heard the one about the polak and the gold medal?

26 Aug 2015 16:41:40
So the new Liverpool without Steven George Gerrard. So far so good. Discuss.

26 Aug 2015 18:37:26
Probably better to ask at end of season

26 Aug 2015 19:38:23
Post ending with dicuss really annoy me, discuss

26 Aug 2015 20:51:20
I like that Robert Harting, really good at throwing a discus

26 Aug 2015 21:15:09
the way you dismiss a club legend stuns me. best of luck to the new generation,there going to need it with fans like you.

26 Aug 2015 23:50:34
Gerrard is no longer in our team, he's done loads for us and i don't think asking this question is a ''dismiss'' or dismissal to what Gerrard has done for us, or even a slight against the man.

We have no Gerard and so far it's not looking like a train wreck three games in. It's a fair question to ask in my opinion.

26 Aug 2015 12:47:16
Eds, how do you guys see the debate about Rodgers and his tactics/style of play/ all round management.
It seems to me that its gotten beyond a debate now and certain posters are getting very pissy and angry about the whole thing. Everyone is going to have a different point of view but don't you think some posters are taking it a little bit too far now?
You can't seem to disagree with other people any more without risking being torn a new one.

{Ed001's Note - it is just the way it goes, it will calm down in time.}

26 Aug 2015 16:10:47
Ed,s sorry if this has been asked before, but with the winners of the Europa league going into the champions league next season. What happens if the winners finish high enough in their own league to qualify any way. Do the losing finalist qualify

{Ed002's Note - No.}

26 Aug 2015 15:36:38
Like many others I was very skeptical at the start of the season but am very pleased with the 7 points. We have been lucky but this will add to our confidence and we can build from here.

Our attacking play was much better too against arsenal and i hope we can further improve on that too.

I would just like to see another striker play along side Benteke. Especially with his knock downs. We could probably slot ings in there and the Stturidge benteke partnership promises much. But how to accommodate that is something the manager has to work out.

The biggest game is always the next one. No point in all the hard work put in if we can't beat west ham.

YNWA

26 Aug 2015 17:49:10
I agree, I would like to see us going with a 3-5-2 against WestHam. Skrtel Lovren Gomez - Clyne Lucas Milner Firmino Coutinho - Ings Benteke

26 Aug 2015 18:23:20
So the captain goes to bench?

26 Aug 2015 18:32:44
Wob

3 at the back will leave too much space behind the WB and we would go back to 5 at the back. That's a massive failure considering we have plenty of attaching players.

Let's not change the team just to accommodate players.
4-3-3 for me with two player on each flanks taking on oops site full backs.

26 Aug 2015 18:33:42
Would like to see a diamond with benteke and Ings up top

26 Aug 2015 23:38:25
Think Henderson is going to be out for another few games. just think it would be worth going three at the back to mix things up a bit. It worked well for us for a long time last year til teams found a counter to it

27 Aug 2015 02:26:37
Don't know if you were asleep last season but the three at the back doesn't work because we don't have players suited for that system and besides Wob, your line up is missing a LWB except you want Firmino or Coutinho to play there

27 Aug 2015 08:08:05
I remember we put together a decent run around March with that system Redohio. As for LWB/LW I would stick Milner in there with Lucas sittin between him an Clyne the two of them would provide excellent service to Benteke with Ings Firmino Coutinho to pick up the second ball

27 Aug 2015 17:28:15
Milner is not a WB hence your system is flawed, as are your comments

26 Aug 2015 14:42:03
Harry Wilson has been sent on youth loan to crewe Alexandra. why are we not aiming to send our youngsters to atleast championship level clubs which will improve thier game. is it the championship clubs don't want our youngsters or our club management is lazy to find a proper club for them

26 Aug 2015 16:16:13
Anyone that knows anything about youth development knows that Crewe is a great move.

26 Aug 2015 17:59:11
crewe seems like a good club for a young player.

26 Aug 2015 20:12:50
Sorry - silly comment; League 1 for a player that is 18 years old and does not have the same strength as Sterling or Ibe is a good move IMO.

If he does well and exceeds until January / for the sesaon the championship next season that will serve him well in his development.

26 Aug 2015 14:01:36
Think I will take a bit of a self emposed sabbatical from this site for a while Ed's, give you lads a break from all the sh#% and arguments on here at the moment because I'm central to most of them,haha. See you in a few months when hopefully were 10 points clear at the top.😜

26 Aug 2015 16:30:18
We all know you will still be reading this site 3 times a day without signing in. Who can stay away

26 Aug 2015 16:52:46
Sad to hear that waro, I was just thinking the last few days was the best banter on here for a while. We don't all see eye to eye, but that's the beauty of this site. We all want the same thing at the end of the day. I'll be looking out for your posts.

26 Aug 2015 16:53:31
As someone once said 'we don't have freedom of speech so that we can talk about the weather'. I find the site addictive in part because of the various opinions expressed. Take a day off and get back on here.

26 Aug 2015 17:24:35
So you have a different opinion. You want us to beg you to stay? No. You want us to beg you to leave. Drama queen. I had some respect for you sticking to your guns until this pitiful comment.

26 Aug 2015 17:58:44
I don't always agree with what you say Waro but its a shame as you're obviously passionate about the team. Everyone has their own views and if they didn't this would still just be a rumour site with no banter page. To a lot of us football is like a religion, also our one release, whether playing watching or talking about it. And differing opinions is what makes it so addictive. We all like to think we're right and know what we're talking about but i like the completely opposite views to mine just as much as the agreeing ones and to be fair, some of the opposite views and info has improved my football knowledge and view of the game itself.

So Waro , we haven't always agreed but shame to see you go. Hope you're back soon.

26 Aug 2015 18:05:25
Shame that Waro. have to say I love your posts. Rarely agree with everything you say but it's obviously from the heart. Your posts are a bit like someone chucking a grenade into a room full of people, but I love reading the replies. You make the site a lot more interesting lad. Hope you keep posting.

While I'm at it, glad to see you posting again Malak. You talk more sense than most.

26 Aug 2015 18:26:59
You are one of the most honest fan I have ever come across Waro. You have a sound knowledge on the game and doesn't paddy anyone else for the sake of it.
You are blunt and not fake.

But that's not good enough to survive in this page 😄😄😄

26 Aug 2015 18:55:14
10 points clear? Ron K is wearing off on you Waro! ;-)

26 Aug 2015 18:56:56
Just be glad to see the incessant bickering stop.

26 Aug 2015 19:26:16
Shame really don't really know many as only on a couple of weeks, if we all had the same view it would be very boring

26 Aug 2015 22:30:44
Oh no please stay waro

26 Aug 2015 23:49:15
Waro will be back to do a podcast with me.

He can't stay away from me.

Xx

{Ed002's Note - Maybe a threesome? Do it on video.}

26 Aug 2015 12:21:34
He Ed's.

Quick question, but do you know if everything is going according to plan with Sturridges return from injury?

Can we still expect to see him returning to the first team around the end of October?

{Ed002's Note - The club has not said anything further.}

26 Aug 2015 15:19:37
Most reports (e.g. the the physio room injury table) talk about the game against united in two and half weeks.

26 Aug 2015 10:42:18
Ed's, I'm bored at work so thought I'd ask a curios question. has a current Res player ever visited this site or posted to it that you know of? What with the shazzy new podcasts taking off, the popularity of the site is surely increasing

{Ed001's Note - yes, a few current and former players have visited in the past. One pulled me up on a few things he disagreed with and explained a different side to some of the happenings over the last season.}

26 Aug 2015 10:58:26
Who is Waro then? :)

26 Aug 2015 11:00:10
How did you find his version?

{Ed001's Note - interesting, though it was very biased from his own viewpoint, still it was good to know how he saw it.}

26 Aug 2015 11:07:39
Cheers Ed, always good to get an insight. It was probably Lucas on here drumming up all the support.

{Ed001's Note - no, I would be very interested in what he had to say though.}

26 Aug 2015 12:09:57
I'm Sean Dundee harry.

26 Aug 2015 13:31:04
Excellent! I see you're still playing Sean, incredible. Any chance of you coming back to Liverpool? We need a 7th choice striker.

26 Aug 2015 19:01:54
I'm impressed nobodies asked ed who the player was yet.

26 Aug 2015 21:00:37
Good point WBD! Ed001, I would love to know ;-)

Also, the podcasts were a great intimate insight into happenings which you could not find in any tabloid.
In reference to P3 I recall you said that Milner in his central position lacks awareness. Funny, that during the Arsenal game he got the ball taken from him a few times for this point alone. Premature I know and Milner should be given every opportunity, but this could be a decision BR needs to make. I'm not sure how he would feel personally about reoperating his trade on the flanks. Benny Baller, is that South Western accent?

Cheers.

{Ed001's Note - I am never going to tell anyone as he specifically said it was not to be shared. It was a lot of private stuff we talked about. Most of it was more the stuff for the tabloids anyway, not really for here.

I think Milner would be better at least drifting out there when we have the ball, he is far too good a crosser of the ball to waste that.}

26 Aug 2015 09:38:00
So it looks by absolute miracle Brendan Rodgers is starting to listen and take advice from others. Set pieces are the clearest sign of this, we look a lot more in control and seem to be dealing with balls in better in a more organised way and I believe that is down to O'Driscoll. If Achtenberg went (as I do not rate him in the slightest) maybe we could find a goalkeeping coach that could work on Mignolets catching of a ball as he seems to panic and flap at things. The other thing is the line, bar from Martin (out of position) Skrtel we seem to be holding a very tight line, the issue is Skrtel will never change and doesn't have the concentration or communication necessary to do simple things, like hold a line. I can slowly see (if O'Driscoll has his way) him being phased out the team and i'm hopeful Ilori can step up or Joe Gomez can move into that position. A back four of Clyne, Ilori, Sakho & Gomez would be my future pick if I had my way. The other minor thing is the dangerous playing from the back has seemed toned down which means i'm not having a heart attack every 5 seconds, its good to see Rodgers accepting his faults and allowing input into his failings, in that respect its been a very positive start for us albeit having a stroke of luck with the last couple of games. Based on the Arsenal game you can see we are clearly improving though, Lucas is a must as he is the insurance policy which allowed Can and Milner to push on and gives the defence that cover where as Hendo and Milner are both wanting to do similar things. Anyway, football wise a so so start but its important to pick up the points early on so its hard for me not to be relatively happy.

26 Aug 2015 10:32:57
There comes a problem when you include Lucas in the team. One of Milner/Henderson/Can goes to the bench and I don't see that happening next Saturday.

BR has no clue on balancing the squad rather picks the players who he think are good enough.

Lucas is just another name, Its all about right players. A DM is a mandatory unless you have an Alonso with you.

BR see one of Milner/Henderson/Can as the playmaker which they are not.

26 Aug 2015 10:37:04
Perhaps he was always listening but the advice he was getting was rubbish.
Perhaps in changing his assistant/coaches he has actually done the right thing?
Perhaps he is a good manager after all?

26 Aug 2015 11:01:03
How do we know the improved defensive work (albeit 3 games) is down to O'Driscoll? How much do you actually know about his defensive coaching methods? It seems, the bad is down to Rodgers, the good is down to somebody else. Why don't we collectively congratulate the coaching team on improving a much needed area?

The 2nd point is about 'playing from the back'. The whole reason this can happen now is because we have Benteke. It's that simple. Last season when Sterling was scooting around all over the place, a long, direct ball wasn't useful. Now we have Benteke, our defence can ping a ball and it can stick or we can at least maintain possession and work our way up the pitch. The dynamic of our game can change because of a personnel change.

The 3rd point is Gomes at left back. He's done great, but I see him as a future CB. Think he will be excellent there.

26 Aug 2015 11:10:27
No Ron, he's a rat, who threw his assistants under a bus to save his own neck, we all get it, you think he's the second coming of sir Bill and sir Bob, enoughs enough lad!

26 Aug 2015 12:52:15
Was it while Mourinho was parking it?

26 Aug 2015 13:42:47
He is not learning or listening, just give it a couple of more good results and he will revert back to his "tactical genius" pass pass pass until i pass out of boredom tactics. Trust me it will come soon enough. He just needs his ego to get filled up to the top again.

i will gladly eat my words though!

26 Aug 2015 14:37:39
I agree here that he threw them under the bus, , however I would argue it shows a ruthless side of him an that can only be applauded hopefully it turns out to be a new side of him. In any field of employment the ruthless succeed. I'd like to see him limit some of his press loving though he sounds like something off a 3rd rate motivational show. However I'm happy with the new backroom team. Let's see hopefully we've turned a corner. Regarding celebrating a draw I can see both sides I think the best way to look at this is from the celebration side people were happy not to get turned over therefore being blinded by what was in the 1st half a wasteful performance. And from the other side I guess the old an bold were maybe disappointed with having to only be content with the pragmatic approach of the team instead of a more ruthless cutting edge that we should have seen keys face it we should be a little disappointed in hindsight, we really should have won the game. I do think it bodes well the result at the Emirates. Our problem now is weer should hammer the irons on Saturday let's see how weer follow this up.

26 Aug 2015 16:54:04
RON KEAGUE,he has no option but to listen otherwise he will be a dead man walking. if he isn't already.

27 Aug 2015 03:09:01
Top managers need to be ruthless, throwing them under the bus might be the case, but to me its clearly the right decision. To me that's a sign of a leader doing what he think will make things better, there was clearly a need for something to change and a change was done. For all i care, BR can loose all his friends if that makes the coaching staff more professional and give results on the pitch, weird thing to critizise him for imo.

27 Aug 2015 06:25:18
Ron and Stoupid are posting rubbish. Waro and Wembley are right. BR may have been kept by Michael Gordon who had the final say but to say that the advice he was getting was rubbish or using the word leader and BR in the same statement, is nothing short of talking utter tripe. BR is not a leader and we have facts to prove that as he spent all last season blaming everybody but himself for our issues. If that is the sign of a leader to you then you need to google the true meaning of the word because a true leader would take responsibility for his actions and admit he has been wrong. He is listening now because he is on his last legs as LFC manager and Ron, saying he was getting bad advice is just insane nonsense because he has had Pascoe for years as an assistant and never had a prob with him then but because his job was on the line, he is certainly getting bad advice now from the same guys? Your hypocrisy is deafening.

{Ed001's Note - one of the things I would like to address in the next podcast is this. I agree with you about taking responsibility, but I disagree that he was only listening because he was on his last legs. Rodgers is very much a person who listens to other people, copies others' ideas and tries to mould them to suit his purpose. Everything he has done has been someone else's idea he has taken, from his pass pass pass obsession to the fast flowing high press, it all came from other people, so he clearly does listen to people and take advice.}

27 Aug 2015 17:35:34
So Ed if that's the case, what advice was he getting and why did he not simply go back to the advice Bielsa gave him on playing the diamond, high press strategy? I saw he did that a few games but why did he abandon it?

{Ed001's Note - I can only think that he doesn't believe he has the players for that system any more and that the reason we fell at the final hurdle was because it took too much out of the squad.}

26 Aug 2015 09:17:50
Eds,
I think Benteke has been very good and he wins almost every header he goes for but my query is why we aren't getting wingers/ fullbacks or anyone else to the bylines to whip crosses into the big man to slam into the net?

We buy a big target man but don't get crosses in to him, seems like a really poor use of one of his great talents.
Any ideas why?

{Ed001's Note - not a clue, but it was one of the big worries about us buying him, as last season we crossed the ball the fewest amount of times in the Prem. That is why I would like to see Milner operate more to the left than right, so he can cross the ball rather than Gomez, as he is much better at that, while Clyne is a decent crosser of the ball from the right.}

26 Aug 2015 10:36:46
What about Firmino and Sturridge ed? Would you play Coutinho centrally? Someone will have to miss out i think. Or what do you think is the best way?

{Ed001's Note - I think Couts seems to be very effective cutting in from the left side, but we need someone to then look to use the space left to get into crossing positions and deliver. He is also effective central, so I would choose on a game by game basis, depending on the opposition's weaknesses. If Milner is in the team, I would look to him to make runs out left when Couts cuts in, if Moreno is playing, I would want him overlapping.}

26 Aug 2015 10:41:46
Well we don't have wingers like Navas to run at Byline. All we have players who cut inside and wants to play centrally. Markovic should be a decent shout but unfirtunately he is below Lallana who in million years wouldn't cut on the flanks.
Ibe has been poor which leaves us with none other than to push lallana/Countinho out wide.
Milner don't want to play out wide.

We bought too many midfielders and CAM and never looked at the clear picture at all.

26 Aug 2015 12:43:46
Its a shame Moreno has such a poor end product because he would be perfect for that role on the left, exploiting the space left by Coutinho when he cuts inside.

26 Aug 2015 05:22:41
Hope we get three points in the next match and the team needs to put away chances when given as teams like city etc. will punish us with the likes of Aguero

26 Aug 2015 09:12:34
Aguero as missed plenty of chances this season.

26 Aug 2015 10:38:46
True mighty reds, he could've had a hatrick in his first 2 games.

25 Aug 2015 22:52:40
Hi eds just wondering on illori and teixeira is there any prem clubs interested in these guys on a loan. I can't beleive there is not a lot of interest in them particularly illori whose stock should be high after the summer. Teixeira also was brightens best player last year. Would love to see them get a loan move to a southampton Leicester or Swansea with the promise of playing for us next season. Although if sakho moves I would keep illori to play europa cups and cover prem ahead of toure. I would hope linders is pushing for these players to be involved

{Ed002's Note - Watford asked after Ilori. Derby, Leeds and Reading have asked after Teixeira.}

26 Aug 2015 08:49:36
Out of the 3 clubs you mentioned I can only speak for Swansea. They have a settled pairing at CB with Ashleigh Williams and Hernandez and can not see ilori getting much game time there other than the cups. If that is the case then he would be better off staying put and playing for us in the cups

26 Aug 2015 10:40:28
I don't think the ed mentioned Swansea. It was all championship teams in for Teixeira which will make him a regular starter. But i feel Teixeira is too good for the championship :/

26 Aug 2015 12:42:57
Malak the original post mentioned Swansea

26 Aug 2015 00:10:08
{Ed033's Note - We have now posted the Football Rumours Podcast #4 discussing the Liverpool v Arsenal 0-0 match on Monday 24 August 2015 at the Emirates Stadium.