Liverpool Banter Archive October 25 2017

.}25 Oct 2017 21:32:49
Hi eds1 just wondering when's the next sharkopod coming out?

{Ed002's Note - I would behalf to do LFC first but right now the fans are not interested in what is going on but just want to trash everyone

26 Oct 2017 00:39:35
Please Ed002 do ours first!

{Ed002's Note - I will if you all stop whining like pre-pubescent girls.}

26 Oct 2017 00:04:56
I'd love a new sharkopod Ed002 and I'm sure the majority would as well.

{Ed002's Note - I am travelling this week, perhaps one next week.}

26 Oct 2017 05:56:59
Literally can not promise that will happen ed 002. Soz!

26 Oct 2017 07:53:51
Whatever Ed002. Boys are pigs. You don't get me. I just can't even, right now. #girls #girlpower #selfie.

25 Oct 2017 20:30:34
The Cavalry are on the way Boys, Jurgen in the January Transfer Window will sign two centre halfs who are TWINS and currently play in Chinese League there names are WHY MEE and KNOTT HIM?

You heard it first here even Macca doesn't know yet!

25 Oct 2017 22:40:07
I thought we'd been looking at Tu Mi and Tu Yu?

26 Oct 2017 00:30:58
I personally prefer Hi so Gud and Wi gon Win.

26 Oct 2017 00:50:52
Nah we've been scouting Sum Ting Wong and Ai Bang Mai Ni - so my source tells me anyway :) Both of which are top quality CB's.

26 Oct 2017 01:18:05
I heard we will sign "No fokin won" from South Korea in January.

26 Oct 2017 04:51:24
Nice bit of casual racism.

26 Oct 2017 05:14:03
Susan, My love. Just enjoy the funny side.

26 Oct 2017 05:26:06
Oh, yes. You're right, it was hilarious all along. My mistake.

26 Oct 2017 05:38:36
Yay casual racism mocking the names and accentuation of another country, good times. I thought this sort of humour died out with Bernard Manning.

26 Oct 2017 05:41:02
Appreciate that.

26 Oct 2017 10:31:39
It's just British humour Susan. Apologies on everyone's behalf if you've taken offence. We do it to ourselves as well though. My favourite joke is brutal.

Why wasn't Jesus born in England? Because God couldn't find 3 wise men or a virgin.

And the poor Irish? If i had a pound for every Paddy joke i know, I'd be a wealthy man!

26 Oct 2017 12:04:22
Haha nice one MK🤠. But don't break Susans heart, she is mine. 😻.

26 Oct 2017 12:06:01
That's okay MK, you don't need to apologise for other people. I've lived in England myself for few years in the past so I know about this kind of humour. I'm not worried about it, but just a little weird seeing it in public and people don't seem to see the problem with it. Obviously that kind of "humour" exists here too but I think it's something you keep private and among friends to show at least a little respect. Don't think people would say these things to people face to face.

25 Oct 2017 17:44:21
Hi ed001. What's your opinion on Luke shaw mate? Seemed to be really promising player before the injury. It looks like mourinho doesn't rate him but seems like a klopp player bombing down the wings. Doubt united would ever sell to us anyway.

{Ed001's Note - has not adjusted well to going to a big club and is not putting in the work on the training ground. He put on a lot of weight and is not as fit as he should be. Avoid like the plague.}

25 Oct 2017 18:01:52
He is a free agent in the summer if united doesn't offer him a new contract along Herrera, Mata, Fellaini and Blind.

25 Oct 2017 20:34:07
They'd be daft to offer him a new contract, bugger that I wouldn't have him anywhere near our team. Remember all the hype about him joining UTD as well. In my opinion he just got lazy his head isn't in it at all.

25 Oct 2017 21:10:20
Problem is he came in, had a decent first 15 games as a teenager and then it all went to his head when he signed for a massive club for £30m. In 12 months he went from Saints U18's to being a millionaire in United's first team. It was an abhorrent and totally unjustified rise. He was decent for his age, but not spectacular. I said way back at the time he was on the same level as Brad Smith, but with more hype. Turns out i was wrong. Brad Smith is better, because at least he applies himself and is first choice for Australia, even if he isn't quite a Premier League player. He is a footballer which is more than Luke Shaw can say right now.

I never understood what people saw in Shaw that made him so different to other young left backs. He wasn't even the best left back in the Saints academy. That accolade belonged to Matty Targett who also hasn't quite made the grade. This is why you have to carefully manage most kids. For every Kane or Rashford who will fight to make it regardless, there is a Shaw or a Wilshere who just cannot be bothered once they get a big contract and are told they are the future of England! Sad, but that's the reality.

25 Oct 2017 22:14:41
You’re talking absolute nonsense again MK.

26 Oct 2017 00:37:48
Tezza-M - if he's talking nonsense then correct him? what did he say what is wrong?

26 Oct 2017 05:43:11
Well he said Brad Smith is a better player than Luke Shaw and, whilst Brad Smith may work harder, he is simply not. He also says Matty Targett was a bigger prospect - again this is simply not true. Adam is an interesting poster and always sparks lively debate, and I do enjoy reading his comments, but he has a tendency to grossly overexaggerate anything to make his point and this post above demonstrates this.

I do agree with the first part of the post though - Shaw moved too early, got too comfortable, has not got complacent and looks to be on a real downward trajectory. He will have to change his mindsent soon otherwise he will be yet another youngster who has squandered their huge potential. I genuinely believe, if he had the work ethic, that he would be absolutely top class.

25 Oct 2017 14:22:14
Academy player, Rhian Brewster, has just scored a hat-trick for England against Brazil, in the semi-final of the under-17 World Cup in India. Let's hope that he has a very bright future with us in the years to come and good luck to him and England in the final.

25 Oct 2017 14:28:22
I'll go with that kloppite. Sounds promising.

25 Oct 2017 14:38:38
Scored a hat trick in the quarters as well. He has a lot of potential.

25 Oct 2017 14:46:53
He's on fire at the moment, well played kid.

25 Oct 2017 14:49:00
Consecutive hat tricks and been playing well in u23’s too. Looks a very useful player with good pace and movement, with the knack to be in right place at right time, create a half yard on his market and a clinical finish.

Hopefully his development continues.

25 Oct 2017 15:20:37
Best thing about him is he plays like Firmino. As in he presses from the front, links up in deeper positions and can play some deft passes and flicks in and around the penalty area. Difference is, he seems to be naturally sharper in front of goal.

If he carries his goal scoring record into senior football it'd be amazing but I'm holding off on being hopeful of his future for now. He has only played at youth levels thus far and you only have to look at Mellor, Nemeth, Morgan, or Sinclair to know that it is a whole different kettle of fish when you step up to play with men. Hopefully he gets a chance to prove himself over the next 12-24 months because he is a class above nearly everyone in his age category. He's been playing u23's since he turned 16, so the u17's WC was always going to be easy picking for him. It is beneath him to be honest, but fair play to him for being grounded enough to just want to play football, regardless of the level of opposition!

25 Oct 2017 15:40:57
Sinama pongolle got the golden boot at the U17 wc once.

25 Oct 2017 15:54:11
Very good point Benny. Men's football is just so much harder. That's why i have faith in Arnold, Woodburn, Solanke, Gomez and Grujic though. They've shown signs they can cope with it.

Arnold has looked assured on the ball, lethal from set pieces, and physically capable since stepping up into the first team on a regular basis. Though he is no right back, long term.

Woodburn has already scored in competitive senior games, and against top opposition in pre-season.

Solanke has scored goals in the Dutch first division at 18 and also against top opposition in pre-season for us.

Gomez was Charlton's best player by 18 and is already our best centre back in my opinion.

Grujic led Red Star Belgrade to the title, and has also performed well against top teams in pre-season.

So far there is no evidence to suggest that Brewster will cope with the step up. So whilst i would love it if he did, i will avoid any hype so i don't disappoint myself if he can't adapt! Does he deserve a chance though? Definitely.

25 Oct 2017 15:59:19
Well done to him but remember he might just have developed quicker than others. Let's not hail him as the greatest starlet just yet. Leave him to his craft and keep a quiet eye on him.

25 Oct 2017 16:37:49
Good point sbout those players Mk but sadly none of them except Gomez will get enough games to show their talent.
I feel Gurij is the next Markovic.

25 Oct 2017 16:47:05
Sounds like he has that instinct that can't be taught. That killer, goal scoring instinct that fowler had for example. Let's hope he has that professionalism that is just as important. He does sound promising though.

Does anyone know how that youngster we bought in the summer is doing? I can't rememberhis name but he looked like a little boy in the press conference. From eastern Europe I think. Was quite a big thing made of it so I thought he must be good.

25 Oct 2017 17:12:36
Good news is Woodburn signed a new long term contract :)

25 Oct 2017 18:43:17
Great news about woodburn. Hopefully he gets a few mins soon.

25 Oct 2017 20:16:19
England under 17s are managed by Steve Cooper who use to be liverpool under 18s Coach/ Manager left two years ago. Think Jurgen kicked him out of the door he also lost on penalties in European under17s FINAL this summer to Spain, who they could face in Final .

26 Oct 2017 01:35:36
Superred you may be talking about Tagseth? He’s playing no.8 for u18’s and doing well by all accounts.

In the u18’s/ u19’s I really like the look of Adam Lewis (converted from midfield and looking like an excellent LB now, and Camacho too. Jones and Millar look useful too.

U23’s have a few but I reckon Wilson, Dhanda, Virtue, Masterson, may all get a shot at some point.

We have a lot of talent at the academy but clearly there are only so many slots available and the step up is huge. I hope we arrange some strong loans next summer to get some of these kids some professional football at a place that will actually play them.

26 Oct 2017 05:49:23
Owen burst on scene too at 18yo. So it can be.

25 Oct 2017 14:06:37
make that another hatrick well done Brewster.

25 Oct 2017 14:03:22
a hatrick in the quarter final and now Ryan Brewster has a double against Brazil in the semi in the u17s took his goals really well too👍👍.

25 Oct 2017 13:27:35
Hi ed001 loe your articles mate. didn't think this site could get any better but your articles have done just that. don't worry not going to add to your massive list just a question. Is there any player who you don't know much about that you are really looking forward to researching.

{Ed001's Note - lots of them mate, it is surprising how little I knew until I started researching. Ferenc Puskas I knew so little I was embarrassed when I read his achievements that I could be so ignorant of a player quite so good.}

25 Oct 2017 15:35:10
given that ed would you put him in the same bracket of maradona, best, pele mate.

{Ed001's Note - you have to when you read what he did, especially under the circumstances, he was a supreme goalscorer.}

25 Oct 2017 16:05:32
Read something funny the other day.

When giroud shows his grand kida his goal highlights, there going to think he was better than pele. Hahaha.

25 Oct 2017 17:51:14
Is Pele on your list of articles, ed? It always feels like there's two camps of people, those who think he's the best ever and those who think that he was never truly tested as he stayed in Brazil most of his career before moving to the US. Would be really interesting to read your take on his career.

{Ed001's Note - yes mate, he has to be in there for all the stuff after he retired as well, all the frauds etc.}

25 Oct 2017 18:02:27
That's true, didn't his son also get imprisoned for 30 years for dealing drugs or something? got to say Pele has always seemed shadier than Maradona to me, it's just that he's got better PR (I may be wrong though! ) .

25 Oct 2017 18:55:55
I know your list of players to do is huge mate, does Edgar Davids feature? What a player.

{Ed001's Note - it does now! Good shout, I loved him as a player.}

26 Oct 2017 18:10:26
Ed, Puskas was a god. I saw a documentary of the legendary Hungarian team he played for and saw the highlights of the 6-2 victory vs England at Wembley (a record till this day) and he scored such a brilliant goal that the defender he laid waste to afterwards said he had never seen someone with such quick feet. In the 1950 WC, Hungary was leading Germany 2-0 and Puskas who was injured in the semis, hit the bar and at 3-0, the game is over and that Hungarian team who had humiliated Germany in the group stages, would have won the WC at a canter. Alas, it was not to be. His exploits with Real Madrid next to the monument called Alredo Di Stefano is the stuff of legends.

25 Oct 2017 11:51:17
Hi what is markovich upto? i think he could improve his game watching playing and learning from salah? he had the requisites.
mane is injured could use him on one of the flanks? and drop coutinho back into the midfield? could earn his money i think? definitely think he is an option.

thoughts?
oh wait a minute is he actually at LFC?

25 Oct 2017 12:13:19
I thought he was pretty good at Hull. I'm sure he could do a job. Maybe he hasn't made any mates at lfc? I dunno, he is surely good enough for our bench. Ed any unusual reason why he is constantly frozen out? Or is it the obvious answer.

{Ed001's Note - he just does not offer any versatility. We can have Milner on the bench and he can cover there, right back, right mid, left mid, centre mid or Robertson who can play left back.}

25 Oct 2017 12:13:50
Markovic is still at the club, we wanted too much money for him the summer so Fiorentina and Watford looked else where. Watford struck gold because of that in signing Richarlison! Football is a funny old game in that way.

25 Oct 2017 12:32:53
Not needed then. Should have just sold him in the summer for an offer lower than our asking price. He will be worth even less after a year in the wilderness of reserve football.

25 Oct 2017 13:00:41
Pretty good at Hull?

The team that were relegated?

And he’s an option for us? 🤦🏻‍♂️.

25 Oct 2017 13:01:29
He's not good enough for us, he needs to go, should've been well gone by now, we should just accept anything for him and get rid.

25 Oct 2017 13:28:32
He is out of contract next season as well, the club can't sign players or sell them. We rejected an offer of around 25 million for Sakho at the start of the window, and then accepted basically the same offer when no one else came in late in the window. Those who do our negotiations play too much FIFA 17 or Football Manager and has lost touch with reality i think, so what does FSG do? they hire the chief executive of FIFA 17 to sign and sell players (Just kidding here)

25 Oct 2017 13:55:41
They were relegated yet Marco silva is still praised a lot, so much that many fans fancy him for lfc job should kloppget fed up or fired. Markovic and glucas were the two shining lights along with Robertson and harry maguire (he was hull wasn't he? I get him and Keane mixed up. Keane was burnley eh? )

Swansea nearly got relegated with siggurdson in the team and loriente who are high class players. Gibson is playing in championship (I think) and could easily play in over half the teams in Pl. I get eds point. Klopp does like versatility eh. Big reason he fancied Aoc I reckon. A lot of folk were down about signing the ox but I think he is going to play his best football for us. He is nowhere near his prime yet. A lot of time for improvement. His pace is blistering and it's not just mindless, pointless running, he has an end produc. It was the one of two positives I took from spurs, we got a glimpse of the real ox and moreno was one of our best players along with salah and gomes and ox. I hope moreno form is permanent. OK he ain't amazing but good enough the way he is playing. Ed025 said it well the other day. "Good for moreno" that is true. It's the change that is surprising and lack of goal conceding mistakes. For me he is in top five lbs in prem atm

*on phone to alberto moreno* I want that grand today Alberto!

26 Oct 2017 12:31:19
I still think he could a job in place of injured mane. he has the pace and skill i think.
and it allows coutinho to be dropped in mid so adds creativity to the mid and enables can / hendo/ milner to just sit deep and protect back CBs.
sry just looking at options and what could be done.
i feel markovic can still save his LFC career if given a lifeline. i mean lallana and mane are out till december so, he can be tried for november.

25 Oct 2017 08:38:35
Mornings eds/ all hope it's a good day for you all!

{Ed001's Note - cheers mate, same to you too.}

25 Oct 2017 08:56:48
Thank you Ed001 :)

{Ed001's Note - my pleasure mate, should hopefully have the Puskas pieces up at some point today. The profile and article are done, just need to do the accompanying podcast and then upload them all.}

25 Oct 2017 09:28:58
Oh fantastic, was waiting for that hoping it'd be this week, cheers mate looking forward to that.

{Ed001's Note - my throat is about all that is holding things up now!}

25 Oct 2017 10:41:14
Hi corleone, good lad. Hope you're well mate.

25 Oct 2017 10:48:39
Thank you Superred mate, I am :) hope you are too!

25 Oct 2017 11:22:04
Not bad corleone. I been up all night playing my old ps3! Retro eh lol. Fifa 11. We have torres and Gerrard. Kuyt. My thumb is killing me. Not played it for ages, only when my little cousin comes round. Chelsea fan! I know, I've tried to teach him but they are his team and I respect him for that. So yeah a bit tired but pretty cool.

25 Oct 2017 11:29:56
Actually if i had a son i would buy him a man city shirt, no reason for him to suffer mentally :P hehehe.

25 Oct 2017 12:18:47
Lol Superred if it wasn't for me having a newborn mate I'd be doing the same!

25 Oct 2017 13:03:10
How old does it make you feel when people think “retro” is playing PS3?

25 Oct 2017 13:06:10
my kids already hate me for making them support Liverpool. sometimes my wife ask me " did they play Crap again? "

25 Oct 2017 13:16:37
Hahaha Jim that's true mate lol.

25 Oct 2017 13:59:59
How you sleeping corleone? Hard at first with a bubba eh. Shock to the system. It starts getting proper intense when they start becoming people and talking and having dreams, reflections and ambition! Good luck dude, congratulations. Little Liverpool shirt?

25 Oct 2017 12:08:44
It starts with the city shirt. Then it's the liam gallagher hair style, then it's the strut and before you know it he will be calling everyone man!

We are lucky to love a team that has genuine domestic and European ambitions. We should count ourselves lucky. No disrespect ed025 buddy. I honestly feel for you lot. Well a little bit. Scouser's shouldn't be in the bottom three. Let's be honest this league belongs to Everton and arsenal) you must get vertigo when you look at the table! You'll be alright, no doubt. That is a crisis, not us. Count yourself lucky.

I am convinced there are some fans here who DON'T actually love lfc.

I hate this disposable, primark manager mentality.

If you lot (you who think klopp should be fired **mental**) owned man utd in 1990 you would have fired alex ferguson. Think about that. Go on actually think about it. How long it takes to develop rough diamonds into world beaters. And the rewards for being patient. Liverpool have never been the kind of club to change manager all the time. Dalglish and hodgeson were quite quick turn overs but what we need these days is stability. Sacking a manager is so bad for a club, it has a terrible effect of course. You are saying it because "I want, I want, I want, I don't want that one" ridiculous, it's actually pretty immature.

26 Oct 2017 10:31:50
Superred82 sorry mate I missed your post - Yeah sleepless nights just a bit mate didn;t get to bed till 3 then up again at 5, wonderful lol but not too fussed to be honest it's all part of it :) -Thank you mate :) lol I was going to get him the Liverpool away shirt but with him growing rapidly at this stage I thought I'd leave it till he's about 6 months or so otherwise he'd grow out of it too quick. It frustrates me how expensive they are though, robbing buggers!

25 Oct 2017 06:41:19
Hey ed. If you a chance/ time could you write a review on the 94/ 95 Ajax team. There's a few decent players in that line up for you to talk about. Cheers ed.

{Ed001's Note - I have added that to my to do list, cheers mm.}

25 Oct 2017 07:54:46
And in your spare time Ed001, my car needs washing and my lawn needs mowing :)

{Ed001's Note - you have a car and a garden? Oh how the other half live!}

25 Oct 2017 10:31:45
Haha the dog needs walking the floor needs sweeping c'mon ed these are all jobs u should be doing
Up the pool.

{Ed001's Note - sorry boss, right on it boss....}

25 Oct 2017 11:04:36
Ed01 the articles are excellent mate, proper professional but without the censorship. They are cool to read so therefore they are well worth doing. Keep up the good work my friend. Thank you for your effort, it is certainly appreciated at my end bruv.

25 Oct 2017 11:04:36
Ed01 the articles are excellent mate, proper professional but without the censorship. They are cool to read so therefore they are well worth doing. Keep up the good work my friend. Thank you for your effort, it is certainly appreciated at my end bruv.

{Ed001's Note - thank you very much mate. I am really glad people enjoy reading them.}

25 Oct 2017 11:26:11
They're great man.

{Ed001's Note - hopefully you will still be saying the same after the next one!}

25 Oct 2017 11:32:23
Your articles are the best because they are very very accurate. Have you seen enough of George Weah to write about him? Or Abo-Treika? He lead Egypt to 3 consecutive african cups from 2006-2010.Thanks for everything you do.

{Ed001's Note - Weah is already on the list and I have added Abo-Trieka. I don't feel I have ever seen enough of the players to just write on them from what I have seen to be honest. I do a lot of research for these articles, from reading about them to watching footage. Thankfully we have the world's greatest library in the internet to help with research.}

25 Oct 2017 11:32:28
Yeah they are pretty good ed 001 by the way very very enjoyable
Up the pool.

{Ed001's Note - cheers mate.}

25 Oct 2017 12:10:02
Thank you very much man :)

{Ed001's Note - my pleasure mate, it is great to watch these legendary players and read about their lives. So I enjoy it too, especially the ones I know little about.}

25 Oct 2017 12:25:42
They're good because ed has no agenda apart from writing an objective truthful article. He can proper dig a player because there is no censorship and no editor (I presume) saying "you can't say that Tris" I'm quite jealous, what a cool thing to be doing! Researching old football legends and constructing an interesting piece of writing. I always learn something I didn't know when I read em.

{Ed001's Note - cheers mate, I guess you are right on that, there is no one but me to decide what can go in, which does put a lot of onus on me to make sure I double check and triple check anything in them.}

25 Oct 2017 16:54:10
Re-reading a lot eh, so what you working on atm dude?

{Ed001's Note - apart from waiting for some quiet so I can record the Puskas podcast, I am just reading up more stuff on how the college system works in the US and also something non-football related. Next after Puskas will be the 3rd and final part of the piece on midfielders though.}

24 Oct 2017 23:06:28
Ed's do you think Conor Masterson will ever make it into the first team. Here in Ireland we have High hopes for him. He has been included in the cl squad and has trained with the 1st team a fair bit.

He is a big centre half who can play a bit too. He was signed from a schoolboy club Lucan utd I believe. The deal was done when he was 13 and could be potentially up to a million for the club. However I haven't seen him play just heard good things. Is he good enough and Do you think he will get a chance this season? Surely can't be any worse than our cbs now!

{Ed001's Note - it is very difficult to tell with defenders, particularly centre backs, as the development tends to be slower and they emerge later. If we were in a better position and playing well, I think he would have got a chance by now. His only chance this season now looks like being an injury crisis, as managers usually turn to experience when things are not going well.

Long term I would expect him to be gradually bled into the team over the next few years and given some chances to see what he can do. I hope so anyway, he is talked of in glowing terms.}

25 Oct 2017 07:19:12
Reminds me of a certain conor coady, not exactly the same position but he was talked in glowing terms too. Next captain, too accomplished, next gerrard what not.
Youngsters have simply been wasted by LFC over the last decade.
There were so many who were talked in high regards but never made anything anywhere.
I am excited with the current crop of youngsters and u-18's we have, seeing u-23's. there is some ridiculous talent there in - woodburn, wilson, ovie, grujic, masterson, dhanda, brewster, grabara, juanma, and now tasgeth.
so many players! will they ever see light of the day at LFC? i am not sure under our current circumstances anybody gets a run.
i would want to give woodburn, grujic and wilson a first team run, they for me look first team ready.

25 Oct 2017 11:18:54
Jack Robinson
Jordon Ibe
Conor Coady
Jordan Rossiter
Thomas Ince
Jerome Sinclair
Dani Pacheco
Ryan Mclaughlin

and many many others were all pinned to be the next great player and was praised beyond belief by many but the reality is people overate the youngsters all the time because they simply fail to understand the huge huge gap between youth football and real football.

{Ed001's Note - that is not actually the issue in the case of most of those. Robinson had attitude issues after showing he could easily cope with senior football. Rossiter had major injury problems and is still suffering with them now. Ince had a stinking attitude, as did Sinclair. McLaughlin had injury problems and Pacheco just never got an opportunity to know one way or the other.}

25 Oct 2017 11:43:43
But why is it so ed 01, i don't think at present there is any club worse than LFC in bedding youth from academy in first team.
i mean our neighbors are good at it.
Trent is getting fair chances i think but probably beacuse Clyne has gone AWOL.
we have unbelievable talent in academy and i can vouch for it having seen them play on TV and in person. Wilson, woodburn and grujic are first team material, may be not week in week out, but against say lesser oppostion they are more than just good.
out for future i think Dhanda and brewster are going to be special.
But will they ever be integrated in to the first teams?
We are out of EFL and this is what i feared most, no chances for these players anymore.
I know the what if case in our current situation. the team and coach are under tremendous pressure and if we start these players it might do more harm than good. But i think, no i believe its time to get into regular first team football. and yea probably coutinho, firmino, hendo are too big a name to be dropped.
i still feel once mane got injured either of woodburn or wilson should have got a chance instead of moving coutinho from midfield out wide. Gini/ hendo should have been replaced by grujic.
every year these players get older with no first team experience and then it gets way to late ( ala pacheco, coady before brannagan and kent now) . coutinho, can are just passing time, and we have their adequate replacements in wilson/ woddburn and grujic/ ejaria but without them getting chances we are just going to end up wasting loads on replacements from other teams.

{Ed001's Note - the fault has to be laid at the door of the managers. They are the ones that pick the team, successive managers have gone for quick fixes instead of long term solutions.}

25 Oct 2017 12:27:16
And that is my biggest grief with Klopp. For all his undoings and not sorting things the only thing i hate is how is just a shadow here of what he was at dortmund. At dortmund he favoured youth big time, played youth and made players.
At liverpool although only too seasons in and may be the relentless pressure in EPL he has not even bothered with any youth. (bar trent because clyne is AWOL) This current crop is so difficult to ignore.
i mean answers are right there at his academy sitting and waiting and he sticks with can/ coutinho/ lovren/ moreno's/ migs. ( not saying the are bad players but they are just passing time tbh) Five players in first team who he knows are not going to be here next season.
I wish for once Klopp throws his weight around and gets the youth in. too much talent there for his eyes to miss.
Maybe it won't work, this season it is not working anyways. i mean hell even mourihno is going around with lingaard and rashford!
Klopp has been no different in any regard to our recent past managers till now, when pressure has come on him he has been reluctant to make big calls.
i don't know how but i feel if this season if we donot try woodburn wilson and grujic gomez masterson it will be too late next sesaon because we will be looking for clear replacements for departing players (can/ coutinho/ lovren/ migs/ moreno/ others who might be moved like clyne/ milner and may be even mane if someone big comes in calling etc etc. )
The time is high and the calling is right. Klopp has to trust his academy players, he has to push them and he has to trust them.