Liverpool Banter Archive October 25 2015

25 Oct 2015 21:42:59
Just a thought.

How about going back to white goal nets, make the target more visible for the players?

Joking, of course.

Small steps in the right direction so far. 2 months for Klopp is take a closer look at the squad. Then hopefully 2 (3 maximum) additions in January and i am sure things will look brighter!

One final thing. what a header from Big Ben!

25 Oct 2015 22:41:43
I wouldn't be against the white nets coming back now that u mentioned it because it seems the players can't see where the goal is right now.

25 Oct 2015 22:54:30
It was a tongue in cheek comment to be fair, but I do think white nets look better anyway!

Looking forward to Wednesday, a cup win at Anfield would be a great confidence boost against a struggling Chelsea team!

25 Oct 2015 23:06:28
Which players Ohio?

Benteke could see it alright. 😏.

25 Oct 2015 21:27:04
After watching the last few games I think we are missing that aggressive mindset with our runs in behind. Too many players coming short too feet we need options for the man with possession. I am a believer in the run dictating the pass if most are coming short it condenses the game. The passes have to be quick and accurate to play this way which is fine for some of our players. But it is no surprise that we have struggled for goals since studge has been out because he is the one to look to get in behind. Hopefully he is back soon and fit he will make a big difference too us.

25 Oct 2015 21:53:57
Its the players we have right now, they aren't good enough and the squad is imbalanced.

Origi, even though i have only seen him play a few times, really doesn't look good enough. In any way. I don't know what he
did at all in the first half today. Honestly i hate saying that about players, i always try to give them all a chance, but that is my gut feeling with this kid.

Milner is a huge dissapointment, a liability and watching him now you would have no idea how he stayed at city for that long. No idea what he contributes.

Lallana is just joe allen with another ten touches and more annoying cruyff turns. can't remember the last time he passed the ball forwards or made a penetrating run or through ball. Again, needs to take the game by the scruff of the neck and if he doesn't have the balls to do that he needs to go.

Coutinho looks cream crackered and finally people seem to see his limitations- he ain't that great. He's at his best when he isn't the only bloody good player in the team and takes the responsibility off himself which helps him relax - otherwise he tries to hard and gets cocky, which doesn't help anybody.

Emre can is an odd one as he seems to do two things great and then two things bad. You'd say drop him but the whole team is injured or just plain terrible but honestly he just needs coaching and time.

Moreno is pretty much the same as can, puta in a great challenge or interception but then gets caught out of position or sleeping on a set piece. Again nobody to drop him for.

Clyne started well but like moreno is making more and more mistakes.

Everything that's been said about mignolet and skrtel has already been said. Not good enough.

So we're left literally with 3 players who are playing well and contribute enough to justify a spot - Sakho, Lucas and benteke.

Its a nightmare for the manager and the fans and their is nothing we can do - really don't know how we will get out of this either.

25 Oct 2015 23:07:34
I think you should put the same amount of effort in finding the good in each players. This is the team we have, just support and back them until January at-least!
You can see how low on confidence our team is at, and this constant criticism, not only from you but most people on here is not helping anyone.

25 Oct 2015 23:33:32
thought Lucas played really well today, but got a bit nervous when he was constantly marking a much taller man at corners, and we do seem to concede lots, then he was way out of position when defending that free kick, also milner had no need to make such a silly foul,
you prob saw Klopp talking to Lucas right after the final whistle . still Lucas is one of about four players who are keeping the side going, thru this tough time .

25 Oct 2015 23:46:55
Sorry, but I think I have to disagree.

For me, Milner was one of the players whom for me really stood out in the game. He was involved in the attacks, as well as defending. He made few decent passes, and the one that lead to the goal, for me, was sublime.

I also thought that Skrtel was quite ok. His positioning was quite poor during some of the crucial times, but overall ok for me.

I just love Moreno. I love his runs, his passes, and that sweet left foot. Some of his shots, yeah it weren't even on goal, but full of power.

What I saw was just positive. I might be wrong. Plus, I watched the game via live tv, so I do admit that somehow my perspectives are limited to where the cameras brought me. I don't have much knowledge in football as well, nor analyzing games.

I liked what I ve been seeing in these 3 games.

26 Oct 2015 01:31:07
Mate i don't claim to be a god at football knowledge either, and i watched on tv too. i'm just stating my opinion and gut feeling.

Honestly i think it is time that some of the players need to just get a bloody grip. Some of them, i'm thinking lallana, sturridge, can, coutinho, firmino etc, have all had plenty of chances and have had every excuse in the book made for them.

Played out of position, had a bad run of injuries, settling in, not got the rub of the green, got unlucky, low on confidence, and of course, the classic, 'had a few good touches and looked good in possession'.

Enough with the excuses. Its just time for some of these players to actually do something. Anything. Anything at all. Anything other than either constantly moan about minor injuries, sulk on the pitch, or not take responsibility and just pass the ball sideways and backwards or just give it back to the opposition.

Theyre good players, they can do it, we've seen it before, else we wouldn't have bought them. They just need to grow a pair, pull their finger out, take some responsibility and contribute to the side. Obviously the whole team will be low on confidence and such right now. But how far is it until you say that some of them just don't have, dare i say it, the character to play for lfc? If you're going to come here and hide, don't come at all.

I will support the team through thick and thin and want all of these boys to do well, i'd love them to succeed. But when you reach a point whereby men in their late twenties, with international experience, can't even be arsed to pass the ball forwards or put in a cross that gets past the first man, then i'm sorry, but you aren't what we need. I don't want to get rid of players, i want them to stand up and deliver and improve. All the best players do it, they never had it easy. And its very frustrating when they dont.

26 Oct 2015 03:41:39
Milner really stood out?
LMAO. U should look at number of touches, pass accuracy, tackles, interceptions etc etc in last 3 games. Never thought highly of him and never will. Top players COMMAND a starting place for their international sides, unfortunately we don't have those type of players (Kuyt, Agger, Gerrard, Alonso, Mascherano, Suarez etc)
What we have is guys who get chosen for meaningless friendlies . Coutinho is supposedly our best player, when was the last time LFC's best player (s) could not get into their national side?

26 Oct 2015 05:17:51
Milner is absolutely mediocre. If he was only good enough to come off the bench for City as a winger, why should he be starting for us? And certainly not our vice-captain in central midfield.

Milner is also to blame for Southampton's goal. Ridiculous defending and challenge. Poor all around.

He runs a lot. That's pretty much it. He should be a fresh pair of legs off the bench at the 75th minute. No more starting.

26 Oct 2015 12:27:24
Thanks AW for the reply. Just stating my opinion on the game. I do agree with you when you wrote about confidence.

Klopp of the Kop. Appreciate your reply. Those are facts, won't deny it. I don't have the figures of the stats. But I really like what I've been seeing so far, and regardless, I still think the same.

Fear, if Milner is to be blamed for the Saints' goal, then who should be credited for Benteke's?

All in all, just sharing my opinions. Thanks guys.

25 Oct 2015 21:19:23
Hey lfc fans
I guess we all realise how average the team is and how imbalanced it is
Which is going to take klopp quite a few windows to correct and he's no fool so he knows it will be stop start win draw loss type results and nothing consistent
It is a real shame to watch it . Lallana no attacking threat same as coutinho who has so much to improve on, skrtel milner origi doesn't seem to have it just yet
Man we need some better players and I don't think it will cost 25 mill per man either

No midfielder will get ten goals! So even coutinho should never be Linked with Madrid or Barcelona that's embarrassing.

25 Oct 2015 21:22:40
On current form they won't want him either.

25 Oct 2015 21:24:28
I agree, Lobster. Lallana has no end product and Couts needs to stop sulking and start playing because Barcelona ain't coming in for him if he keeps playing the crap he's playing now. Milner? I guess the TC can b blamed for that such a shambolic signing right? Wrong! He should never have been bought and now we are paying the price for BR's mistakes.

25 Oct 2015 20:06:35
When does Henderson come back? Crying out for a midfielder who can pass and make runs forward.

The amount of assists he gets is invaluable.

Milner has to be the player dropped for him. Shouldn't be on the pitch no mind wear the armband!

Worst player to have ever worn the captains band.

25 Oct 2015 20:34:24
Couldnt agree more puzzled. Milner clearly doesn't like heavy metal.

25 Oct 2015 20:43:21
I would play him alongside Lucas in the middle myself.

25 Oct 2015 21:25:52
Love it? The guy can't even keep up with it which is why he has to foul players running by him like he's not even there.

25 Oct 2015 19:57:09
Decent point all things considered. Frustrating after going ahead late on but our Achilles heal won't get sorted overnight.
Origi was awful and didn't even try, Milner is dreadful and 1 good cross does not detract from the fact he is poor. Clyne is another terrible purchase as he is terrified in possession. Lucas MoM, then Sahko, Firminio showed glimpses of real quality and steel, Can tried hard and Benteke changed the emphasis and put us on the front foot. Mignolet is a liability and Lucas bailed him out in the first half by heading off the line from the middle of the goal. The keeper simply has no positional awareness whatever.
We need to be patient as some of these players simply are not Liverpool standard in ability or character. I believe Jurgen Klopp will transform us in two transfer windows, this time next year we'll be fine - so Del Boy told me anyway ;-)

25 Oct 2015 20:20:51
Agree with all except Clyne. You are very ahrsh with him. I think he is Ok and will be better.

25 Oct 2015 20:34:34
Fanobip mate I watched him closely today from the main stand right in front of me and he is poor on the ball, he simply doesn't want to take responsibility. Admittedly Milner is bloody awful so that doesn't help him at all but this guy comes with international caps so I'm not impressed.
We all have different views and favourite players but he's got a lot to do to convince me. By contrast it's the first time I've seen Firminio in the flesh and I liked him, can see him Coutinho, Benteke and Sturridge causing havoc if Sturridge ever gets fit of course.

25 Oct 2015 21:33:51
Or if Couts stops sulking or stops looking uninterested.

25 Oct 2015 19:48:59
Need Hendo back asap to add a bit of drive to that midfield.

25 Oct 2015 18:56:24
First half was terribly boring. Enough said. Benteke wow, super header and made such a difference and a great cross from Milner but he was average all day. Moreno attacked and played well but final ball was always off, needs work. Lucas did his role very well today. Lallana just couldn't get his touch right. Sakho good again. Can tried hard and worked hard, willing runner with the ball, but didn't create too much, but that will come. Coutinho not much again, origi too.
Just why can't we defend freekicks again, lost 3 headers in a row for the goal, one top of the box, one back post and one on the six yard box, ridiculous! Need to get the weight of the first win off our backs before Chelsea at Bournemouth!

25 Oct 2015 19:42:13
I think Can struggles.

He still gives the ball away far too easily and isn't comfortable on the ball.

Not to say he won't be a good player, but he's not ready yet. Them runs of his rarely end up as anything.

25 Oct 2015 19:49:59
Fencey, that's because we fall asleep way too much and ball watch instead of standing our ground individually and try to win our one on one battles, which is what a header is.

25 Oct 2015 20:01:43
Average players throughout. Klopp will sort it.

25 Oct 2015 20:30:09
Agree that can gave it away, but it seemed positive to me, he wasn't scared to run with it, and at times was isolated and only the final touch was off, it will come with him. He didn't give it away in our defensive third.

25 Oct 2015 23:00:34
Can is not good enough to play in midfield and is not defensively aware enough to play in defence.

He has no position.

25 Oct 2015 18:17:48
Another draw?
KLOPP OUT!



Only messin ;)

25 Oct 2015 18:47:35
Southampton are a good team, thought we had won it but a point ok, bring on the next game.

25 Oct 2015 18:52:01
Not too bothered about the draw, just why 1-1 again haha.

25 Oct 2015 19:05:53
I'd be almost thrilled for a 3-3 draw lol. So tired of not scoring goals!

25 Oct 2015 18:09:58
Real shame to concede a goal like that. One of those things! Really good performance, control wise. Definitely deserved to win, never mind. The improvements are already coming in slowly. Well done boys, we try again Wednesday 👍🏻.

25 Oct 2015 18:14:33
I don't think we deserved to win. We were poor in the first half, and lucky not to concede, and in the second half stepped it up, and it was an outstanding goal from Benteke, and poor defending from us that made the difference to the score. I have to say that was incredibly naive, almost idiotic defending from an experienced player like James Milner.

25 Oct 2015 18:27:49
Disagree AG. We should have won and deserved to win based on the second half, no question. We were nervous and lacked the confidence and belief to hold the lead but the boys showed courage and bravery. A lot of work ahead but really gutted we did not win. As for players, Couts needs to stop sulking and get on with it because if he thinks Barcelona will come along while playing the crap he's playing now, he'll b waiting forever.

25 Oct 2015 18:43:02
I am sure people will talk about the poor defending and conceding the goal. Yes it wasn't great to concede but for me our biggest problem is our forward game. Arsenal conceded a soft goal yesterday but scored three, Spurs conceded a soft one today but scored 5. For 90 minutes today we had one half chance and thanks to one of our very few top players this half chance became a goal. I don't see any improvement going forward, sorry. Maybe slightly more solid in midfield. And we lose less throw ins. Nothing more than that. And not that I expect miracles after such a short time. I give Klopp all the time he needs to fix this. But Origi over Benteke seriously? Well that will not happen again I think.

The final pass of some of our guys, Can, Lallana, Moreno, yes even Milner despite his assist, very very poor. God knows what happened to Couts, I never seen a player that was so dominant look so lost without being injured.

When was the last time we won by more than one goal difference?

A lot of work to do (including in the transfer window) .

25 Oct 2015 18:45:43
Bertrand winds Milner up seconds before the foul - if you watch it back you'll see Milner have a first pop at him which the ref misses and Bertrand shouts something at him - then he gets cleaned out seconds later. Very naive by Milner an experienced international like him should not let himself get so easily wound up.

25 Oct 2015 18:48:07
fanobip, going forward we don't have enough quality.

The players aren't there. No good wide players and no midfielder who can create attacks quickly and accurately. Klopp can't change that.

He's got the players he's got and he's got to make do at least until January maybe even the summer.

25 Oct 2015 18:49:25
Fanobip - is it any surprise. We have three strikers missing (OK, Benteke came on, but he's not 100% yet) . I'm not worried in the slightest. With Benteke starting we can do Chelski no prob.

25 Oct 2015 18:51:01
We deserved to win with 2 shots on target? Coutinhos touch has been awful and Can is constantly caught in possession. Don't mean to harp on the players but if it was Rodgers pitch side instead of klopp I don't think we would have "deserved to win"

25 Oct 2015 18:53:54
the real ag,

you talk about milners defending for their goal tell me what lucas did to stop the ball coming over from ramirez who is the same size as lucas, the ball should not have been allowed to be headed across the box by ramirez, all lucas did was run and bump into him while he was up in the air heading it, tes its the same lucas who gave the ball away in the middle of the park to the southampton player he basically passed the ball a few yards to give southampton the ball and then the ball went out wide and milner gave the free kick away to stop the break all from mr lucas;s error, then again the error at the header, if you want to blame a player for doing something wrong try and get the right player to blame, without milner we would not have scored.

{Ed001's Note - seriously? Ramirez is a few inches taller than Lucas, so I would check that before making arguments that make little sense. Bizarre rant against possibly our best player on the day, in defence of one of the worst we have ever had. Perhaps if Lucas hadn't had to keep covering Milner's mistakes, he might have had the spring in his legs to make the header?}

25 Oct 2015 18:57:02
You do realize that benteke just came from along injury lay off? If he started and got injured people like you would be tje first to slag klopp.

25 Oct 2015 19:03:12
I think he's doing the best he can with what he's got. yet again so many corners with not beating the first man.1 good cross and a goal. Jesus it's not hard really is it! Haha. felt like a defeat at first but looking at the bigger picture (opponent ect) just ask the chavs! :) it's not all bad. i think we should ask for a "klopp cam" for when the team r playing bad during the game. thoughts? ;)

25 Oct 2015 17:44:55
Edd001 i think klopp has to change the personnel. we are seeing the same team every game now. I think ibe has to be given a chance hopefully. Firminho and ibe have serious talent. I also thought texeria would atleast have a look in.

{Ed001's Note - he needs to have a proper look at them first and give them a chance to show they can play his system. There are not that many options really, the players we need replacing are those we don't have much in the way of quality reserves.}

25 Oct 2015 18:29:49
Spot on, Ed! He is still evaluating the squad even tho, he plays to win all the time and makes no excuses for not winning. Keep the faith, lads!

25 Oct 2015 18:54:25
Edd001 milner is an obvious choice for me. Benteke also in for origi now that he's back fit. Brilliant header, shocking defending for equaliser. Coutinho is struggling at the minute though.

{Ed001's Note - Milner will be out for a game suspended, hopefully replaced now. Benteke is not fully fit, or he would have started, though I am not sure it would have helped as he was spending most of the second half getting screamed at for standing around when he could have pressed and helped us.}

25 Oct 2015 16:56:01
Early days for Klopp and all that but really, I cannot see a single change in the teams play from a month ago. Except that Origi is starting albeit wearing an invisibility cloak.

25 Oct 2015 17:04:25
The players are of mid table standard, anyone who thinks we have quality players is wrong! We have no pace, none! We have abunch of slow number 10's. It doesn't help that we have a lot of injurys to be fair.

Plus the fact that Rodgers has bread this awful football into them, Klopp will not change it over night. Maybe Jan time you will see improvement.

25 Oct 2015 17:05:53
When you've spent 18 months sleeping for a certain amount of time and at a certain time, you can't just go to a totally different sleep patter at the flick of a switch. Just like Football. Tactics, style, philosophy, coaching methods and the other things are all different since the change of manager.

Rome wasn't built in a day and all that stuff.

25 Oct 2015 17:06:52
Disagree the team are working much harder for each other. They are struggling a little with the ball as they are leggy when they receive it due to all the work off the ball. Once Klopps had another 2-3 weeks to get their fitness levels up then the likes of Coutinho will shine with the ball too.

25 Oct 2015 17:07:59
A front three of Ibe, firminho, and benteke would be exciting. continho, lallana and origi have been very disappointing.

25 Oct 2015 17:11:37
Klopp did say himself that he doesn't change to much to start with.

We're a team with no confidence in front of goal all we need is a couple of goals to get us going again.

25 Oct 2015 17:11:57
Completely agree. its garbage.

{Ed001's Note - not sure what you expect, other than an excuse to whine, as that is all you have done.}

25 Oct 2015 17:12:04
I start to think that Klopp didn't watch a single LFC match this season before his first game against Spurs. maybe explaines his enthusiasm to take this squad midseason. thoguh even the two games he was in charge should have been enough to know that Benteke should be on the pitch and not Origi. This is one of those times when u see the starting 11 and think Origi over Benteke? Strange but this is Klopp he must know something we don't there must be a catch here, some trick. and then the. minutes go by and you just thing to yourself was there ever a worse LFC team going forward? I bet not even when we were second division.

25 Oct 2015 17:16:37
We may well win this game but to all the people who say we have plenty of attacking threat in the three games we have played under klopp and the beginning of the season under Rodgers I am yet to see any.

We look completely flat going forward, weak on the ball, give the ball away on a regular basis and still prone to a defensive error.

We have some good players however very few have stepped up and shown what they can do this season.

We need to improve every aspect of our game second half.

25 Oct 2015 17:30:13
What is moreno on today?

25 Oct 2015 15:34:54
I hope Jurgen ins't afraid to sub off Milner if he again has on of his uninspiring displays.

25 Oct 2015 15:25:29
So the Australian rumours presented here earlier were baseless appernatly. Same starting line up as in the EL - Firmino and Benteke only on the bench. Origi starts. Surprising, no? .

25 Oct 2015 15:54:12
Maybe not surprising, but definitely disappointing. Nothing different than the side BR would have put out.

25 Oct 2015 16:41:52
Still rooting for br eh red?

25 Oct 2015 16:59:01
Oh come on Red.

This team is not set up anything like a Rodgers team.

Aside from how they are set up just look at what Sakho and Lucas can do when they feel loved. And look what Can can do in his favorites position.

The key now is how quickly we can unlearn the Rodgers one attacking ploy: tippy tappy through the middle trying to walk it into the net with one note of variety of an occasional Coutinho cut inside and shoot from distance.

I reckon we might see Benteke on for Origi at HT and then we will see what happens.

25 Oct 2015 17:12:28
I am not rooting for BR. But one of the main criticism heaped on him was that he didn't give the youth a chance. I was hoping for a more exciting set up As for Sakho he has been a liability first half, but all the Skirtle haters on here will I suppose blame him instead. But hey ho let's hope for something better second half.

{Ed001's Note - how has he been a liability? Was he the one pulling attackers back by the shirt? Was he the one not talking to the totally asleep Clyne and warning him to wake up when people are running in behind him easily? You clearly are still up BR's backside and desperate for Klopp to fail.}

25 Oct 2015 17:49:30
See above.

Told ya.

Come on boys. Let's close this out.

25 Oct 2015 18:23:47
64 I've no idea what match you were watching. BR'S spent £300 million and the team went backwards. Klopp spen nothing and has miraculously gotten us clean sheets and points and playing an attacking brand of football. Ibe is coming on as a sub, rather than being asked to perform miracles for 90 minutes and being isloated on the wing, we're not playing 6 defensive players sitting deep.
We've looked a different team when Benteke and Firmino are on, Klopp can't help they have been injured and he's relied on a ''world class'' 20 year old according to BR, who still clearly looks unsettled but has a huge weight of expectation to deliver now. We've also seen Connor Randall called to the bench, jerome sinclair and Texeira.
The manager has also had to contend with the fact his time with the players has been limited due to the international break as well. He's probably had all of about 10 training sessions with the team so far.

25 Oct 2015 19:12:59
Bob, I know I'll be dismissed as a Rodgers lover but so far, technically, Klopp is doing worse than Rodgers this season. A point per game versus 1.5 per game. It's a little too early to start suggesting Klopp's performing miracles.

Let's just give Klopp a little time to figure things out and stop chucking blame all over the place.

25 Oct 2015 19:37:03
Got that's a very basic way of looking at it.
We stole victories vs Bournemouth and a terrible Villa.
If you can't see the improvement in the football then there's honestly none so blind as those who will not see. As I said, Klopps had about 2 weeks to work with the players without bringing any in. Brendan had 3 years and £300 million for 1.5 points a game propped up by some DOUR reffing and a edging past a shockingly bad Villa.

25 Oct 2015 19:51:34
But that's not my point, you're using words like miraculous and then attacking Rodgers. It's all unnecessary.

Klopp will come good, give it time, I don't understand why everyone's so impatient.

25 Oct 2015 20:01:06
It's not unnecessary at all. Brodge wasted 3 years at LFC and didn't walk, got a nice payoff have wasting £300million and went off to spain.
I;m not being impatient. Infact that's a contradiction of what you're accusing me of, I can already see the improvements Klopp's implemented with players at his disposal. The football we're playing is miles better, atleast fan's are getting their moneys worth for draws vs 2 difficult teams hitting form in Spurs and Southampton. Not wanting to slit their wrists watching us get 1-0 over Bournemouth asking the referee to not give offside.

25 Oct 2015 13:53:43
Song : he's big and he's red! he's big and he's reddddd, our kloppo he's big and he's red.

25 Oct 2015 15:32:57
Classic.

25 Oct 2015 13:04:55
8 goals from 9 league games is the joint lowest in the PL, and yet amazingly we can jump into 6th position IF we get 3 points today. The problem is we will probably need to score more than 1 to do so. Something we find very difficult to do. We need to improve radically on Thursday's performance which was back to the 'normal' insipid, characterless displays we got used to before the Spurs game, when we at least showed a bit of fire. To tell the truth, I was very disappointed with the way we played against RK - I fully expected the same level of effort and closing down, but it just did not happen. Or did our players think they could impress JK by pulling out all the stops in 1 game?

I hope not.

25 Oct 2015 11:50:40
FINALY somebody saying the same thing as me. And it's Souness and Cara on Sky. This group of players are not good enough and it all depends on who Klopp can attract in the windows.
It doesn't need 'tweeking' at all. The team needs special players. It's average squad like the previous manager we need talent.
I ask you when was the last time Liverpool football club didn't have a world class player in the ranks? Because bar the odd season I can't think of a period of time we've gone without in my lifetime.

25 Oct 2015 12:27:34
Whilst I agree we need better players to reach the top, this squad has some very good players.
Klopp's history is getting the best out of unfancied/decent players. He should get this team to start reaching its potential before splashing out on more players IMO.

When I was a lad if Liverpool signed a player they usually had to prove themselves before they got in the first team. That's because the first team was settled and successful. They were all at or near their peak. New signings thrive more in a settled team without the expectation that they are going to turn the teams fortunes around.

We need to build a core of players playing regularly like Clyne, Sakho, Lucas, Hendo, Coutinho and Sturridge. IMO.

25 Oct 2015 12:37:52
Reina, Agger, Hyypia, Carra, Gerrard, Alonso, Torres, Suarez, Hamann, are the most recent 1's I can think of.

The likes of sakho, firmino, coutinho, sturridge, lucas, Henderson are players youd expect to be part of a prem winning team.

Agree we need 3/4 player over time but ibe, ojo, Sinclair, Gomez, are all highly thought of and should be in and around the team next season.

25 Oct 2015 12:43:10
You'd have perhaps called a reject bayern munich youth product and an unknown striker from Poland not good enough.

25 Oct 2015 13:03:58
There is a world class player in Sturidge you all want to sell and a potential world class player in coutinho who other posters want to sell to fund a rebuilding exercise.
We should Build round our best players and replace the weakest link every window with the best player you can find/afford.

25 Oct 2015 13:11:22
Give over with this nonsense, Dbol. Our squad may be unbalanced and bloated but to say it is not good enuff to make the top four if well managed and well coached, is laughable and just because Souness and Carra said so, doesn't make it so. I agree that some players like Skrtel, Allen, Milner and others need to get shot of and we may need three top players to compliment the likes of Hendo, Can, Studge, Benteke, Firmino, Sahko, Clyne, Moreno, they need direction, confidence and self belief to progress, IMO.

25 Oct 2015 13:11:48
Agree 100% Dbol. Had the same thoughts since the start of the season and after watching the game against Rubin there were at least 4 players who were playing that really are just not or will never be good enough to be play for us. let's give Klopp time to sort this lot out, get rid of some, hopefully given cash to bring and develop his own team (squad) no matter how frustrating it is in the short term.
Stand behind him and the team regardless.
YNWA.

25 Oct 2015 13:22:25
Be honest with yourselves and name any Lfc players who would get in Arsenal, Mac C or Man U's first team. Even with the current state at Chelsea, I would include them as well. I can't think of one.

25 Oct 2015 13:33:33
Same could be said of the Dortmund squad and the Bayern team the year before they won the league.

Arsenal, Man City, Chelsea and Man Utd are not playing to their potential, look at the table/results.
If LFC can reach their potential they will get better results than those other 4 teams.

There's only ever been 1 player good enough to be called a 1 man team and he retired long ago.
It's a team game, or even a squad game these days. You don't need superstars to be the best team.

25 Oct 2015 13:51:40
64,Sakho would walk into Man utd's defence and arsenals for me.
Sturridge/Benteke would walk into arsenal frontline and Man Utds hell at the moment i bet Chelsea would take him.
Hendo would easily replace Fabregas and a few midfielders from big 4
We could argue the toss on fullbacks
Coutinho would replace any number 10 bar Silva for me maybe sanchez but he's currently on the left.

The point on Sturridge Mikey is not that we all want rid, the fact is he's a good player that isn't getting games, we have 4/5 strikers at the club, and we need to balance the books, if he's not playing he's simply costing the club money. I'd love him to be fit 100% of the time, but he's not even close and if an offer comes in deemed worthy financially we shouldn't be dismissive.

25 Oct 2015 13:53:47
Henderson would start ahead of Delph, Schenidelin or Ramires.
Benteke would start ahead of Walcott or Giroud.
Sturridge ahead of Martial.
Sakho ahead of Dimechalis (spelling) or John Terry.
Clyne ahead of Bellerin or this seasons Ivanovic.
We have players who could get into those teams, were just struggling for any type of form or confidence which has been born from defensive mistakes and injuries to strikers. Give Klopp time and things, including personnel, will change.

{Ed001's Note - ahead of Bellerin? Really? I don't think so, Bellerin has been excellent and is improving rapidly.}

25 Oct 2015 14:15:00
Remember old red nose last season at united? They had no world class players and eon the league with such ease. The same squad under an average manager tanked badly. So it proves that a proper plan and good manager can make average individual players over achieve. At the least Kopp has got us excited and I bet the players are going to give all they have to play for a world class manager.

25 Oct 2015 15:03:05
Forget Sturridge - he'll be gone at the end of the season. This is not a game - it's a cold, hard business and it has no heart. The wage Sturridge is on he either puts in over 30 games a season or he is a luxury we can do without.

25 Oct 2015 15:09:34
Spot on, Boba on the Studge point.

25 Oct 2015 08:34:36
I'm hearing Sakho will have the armband today as Milner is being dropped. Don't know if anyone else has heard the same thing. Benteke in for Origi and Firmino in for Milner.

25 Oct 2015 09:10:56
My post has actually made way for yours because I needed to correct it to what you wrote shortly after.

Skrtel is starting, but I hear that Klopp does not rate him.

25 Oct 2015 09:14:49
So the match day rumours starts in Australia now?

Interesting if true. when people here asked which player could suffer from Klopp replacing BR the first name I mentioned was Milner. BR felt obligated to him because he left CIty to be a starter with us. Klopp hopefully will start with the best players and not because he owe anything to anyone and Milner so far was very poor. He does run a lot and always come to get the ball though. Firmino so far was much more quaiet and will have to be involved more to be effective.

25 Oct 2015 09:19:42
It's funny because I'm an Oz boy too.

25 Oct 2015 13:08:28
What about using Milner at CDM?

25 Oct 2015 13:14:41
Klopp is amazing and hasn't even won a game yet. Finally a manager who knows what he's doing and possesses brain. You don't need half a brain cell to know that Milner was a mistake and Skrtel is a mistake waiting to happen. I hope the rum our is true.

25 Oct 2015 15:27:59
Note: Team news does not originate from Oz 😄.

25 Oct 2015 00:20:55
A lot of people saying this could be lallanas year. Yes he presses well and tbh I am a big fan of him, I just don't think he's quality. He has a great touch but uses too many, his finishing and crossing isn't as good as it should be for a guy who creates or gets into the positions he does. I think if lallana has a great season he will still score and assist less than coutinho would playing averagely. And in his best position he takes up that number 10 role, which is normally the most creative player in the team, and he is not on the same levels as silva (but who is in the prem), and even mata Oscar ozil or erkisen. Coutinho is the only one we have who can be. All the teams who have these players have different styles too so it's not a case of coutinho won't fit in a klopp style team.

25 Oct 2015 07:30:58
I used to always think his best position was that number 10 too, but I now reckon that his best position is starting slightly wider (not out on the touchline, mind) and roaming in and allowing the full back to attack the space he vacates.

I agree he takes too many touches, but I also think he has the willingness to mould his game under Klopp. This is his last chance at a big club imo, and he will have to sacrifice everything to be part of the new regime.

I actually think he is a very competent finisher (his runs off the ball are OK, it's just a shame he lacks a bit of pace) and while he doesn't cross the ball a la Beckham, he can find/create space in the final third and either dink a good cross or look for a pull back into the area. I just think the confidence of the team is suffering at the moment but I back them to turn it around.

25 Oct 2015 05:21:37
Firmino is the real deal. I have seen him play and followed him extensively from an year when we were linked with him last summer. He is a fantastic player.
Lallana is another overrated over hyped player to me. Not a dig but that's it. He has no excuses not to deliver unlike others.

25 Oct 2015 13:22:32
Competent finisher? What player have you been watching? Lallana runs a lot but can't shoot, can't pass the ball accurately and takes five touches before releasing it watch the Rubin game and see for yourself. Now maybe he's doing to much in a bid to convince Klopp but he needs to settle down because for his immense talent and skills like Couts, he is severely underachieving ATM. N btw, he needs to stop talking too much and do more playing.