Liverpool Banter Archive March 25 2012

 

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25 Mar 2012 23:54:01
I was one of the many people who was supportive of Dalglish becoming manager when he took over early last year, he stabilised the club, and seemed to get a lot out of some quite average players. I like the attractive pass and move football that he encourages and thought that Steve Clarke seemed to solidify our defense really well.

However saying this I think it would be best for everyone involved if Kenny were to step down at the end of the season. I know managers need to be given time, and there have been a lot of new arrivals under Kenny, but that is where the problem lies for me. The signings, whom were expensive, have not performed to the level that was expected from them. Therefore, they are either not good enough, or they are good enough, and Dalglish isn't getting the best out of them, either way it has to go down as the managers fault.

KK has given us a trophy, the possibility of the FA Cup, and been the perfect man to steady the club after some very dark years, and for that I will be grateful, but it's time for us to push on and look forward, with owners who want to win things and with the increased capacity of Anfield, to the future, with, in my opinion, one of Blanc/Deschamps or Hiddink.

RO YNWA


Good Post! However i cant help thinking that KK was brought in to bring stability back to our club, with that, he has far exceeded the owners expectations, i believe the appointment of Steve Clarke has more to it than meets the eye. KK comes in for a year, 18 months, brings in a coach who was a certain Jose Mourinho`s number 2, stabilises the club then the playing side of things has been assessed by Clarke, who will or has been giving indications on who he/they want and who they dont. Chelsea were at their best when Makelele was in their side, and us losing Lucas was a big loss considering we were playing great stuff until his injury. Not my ideal choice but would make perfect sense if Jose Mourinho came to........ Just my thoughts, but interesting for sure, thoughts?

Myrtle Beach Red


Yeah if KK goes the next manager gets no more than one year to get it right. I don't care if he wins a trophy, he should only get one year and then we'll sack him and try someone else. We aspire to be Chelsea, right? Right?

cozinoz {Ed002's Note - The job he stood up for was to get Liverpool back in the Champions League.}


Didn't expect you to agree, Ed002.
But to everyone else: it makes no sense to me to sack a different manager year after year if he doesn't meet annual targets. What if a new manager doesn't make CL next year? Sack him? And the next year?
It makes more sense to me to give a manager a longer period of time (as per his contract) and expect some degree of progress each season. Hopefully, our owners aren't as impatient for instant quick-fixes as russian billionaires can be.

cozinoz


In his first season ed002 ha ha look at chelsea fella looks ike you be qualifying either wot i mean is plans dnt always work do they we chelsea expected to be challenging for the league
mrbrown


Cozinoz

At no point did I ever say that we should sack the manager every year if he does not meet annual targets. I agree with you that it is not the way forward. However, I personally just don't see Dalglish as a long term option. He came in and did a job stabilising the club but I'm just not convinced he is the answer to taking us further. The problem I have is the fact that the board were considering approaching Deschamps before bowing to the wishes of the fans to appoint Dalglish. It never felt as though they saw him as a long term option. If the club decides it does want to make a change in the summer, then I agree, whoever is chosen, must have full backing for the long term.

RO YNWA


I dont think Ed was agreeing in fairness Coz, he has said in the past he expects Kenny to get the boot. He also has told some of your more.... simple supporters that continually give Roman a hard time that he expects success at Chelsea and will not settle for less. Hence all the managers.

I know you guys don't strive for success anymore so probably doesn't really matter which way you go with Kenny.

Melbourne CFC


Tut tut! Melbourne CFC
Your Billionaire Russian can't guarantee Success
When theirs a Trillionaire Arab up in in Manchester!! Surprised at ya!!

Not Xenophobic I hope ed2!!! If I'd of said penniless Arab you could prob have me

Lyndon


 

 

25 Mar 2012 23:46:45
p63 exclusive!-The Mirror-Fenway not happy with leauge situ.Inspite of Ayres denials.And dont blame them.Entitled not to be .Cash and investment made.We aint got cash of others but no way should LFC be where we are


 

 

25 Mar 2012 23:42:14
Eds
I don't think this will happen but if Liverpool bought 3 good players that could replace henderson adam and carroll i think we could do much better if we bought andrew johnson from city to replace henderson xabi alonso to replace adamm and cavani to replace carroll we would make top 4 easy but i dont think it wud happen
Love the page
Biddy


Course it wouldn't happen

1. Xabi Alonso won't come back he's at 1 of the 2 best teams in the world.

2. Cavani is on most teams wish list and Liverpool would be way down on his preferences


 

 

25 Mar 2012 23:49:22
I've seen posts on here about 4th and Cup wins so i thought i'd give my opinion on this...

Trophies are important but if i'm honest it's the league and then the Champions League (which obv is now extended to the 4th place team in our league).

Players want to play in the Champions League and the money it brings in helps pay for those players.

So i'd take every cup but i'd prefer to win the league and to do that you need better players... which means 4th place in my opinion is more important.

Wembley was called Anfield South because we was winning the league so much and cup wins occured because we was so dominate.

Before you click the negative read what I have said - i want cup wins but I want us to compete first and foremost.

Finally I think Kenny has been let down by a lot of players and unlucky with injuries to key players; on the positive side (yes there is one) would Flanagan, Shelvey, Robinson, Sterling etc.. have got a chance under Houllier? Not knocking the guy just stating that while its disappointing (understatement) it's not all doom ad gloom.

Anyway that's my opinion; you don't have to agree with it; but seriously I have seen an improvement in our play just not our results.

Hoola


Worst case scenario is that you've had 3 1st team starters out at any one time this season, Utd have has upwards of 8, so don't try and blame injuries


Thanks for posting without a name; sorry I don't follow the Utd situation so can't comment.

Notice I said unlucky with injuries to key players; i.e. Lucas, Gerrard, Agger - the spine of the team.

Amazing how you can take one comment and not understand that one line. By the way how did Utd get on this week - as your in the know!

Hoola


 

 

25 Mar 2012 23:43:59
Newcastle can find,groom,coach and blend a side,with less resources,why cant we.Someones got to be answerable for cash wasted.Any other business yould be out with mistakes made and bought


Newcastle have taken gambles on players that have bad injury records and it has paid off this year but could also have back fired. No doubting some of the players abilities but the major teams look at the big picture not just ability.


 

 

25 Mar 2012 23:35:26
I can understand the frustration of all us fans about the season, but we should give the players their share of the criticism not only the manager when we lose.
We should look at the picture as a whole and be patient, definitely more strengthening in the summer is needed, striker please!!!!
hibsylfc


Cant undrstand the frustration!!??we have lost 6 out of 7 games,we have to sit and watch downing,henderson,carrol,spearing,kuyt and carra run around like headless donkeys game after game,sit and listen to daglish spout rubbish about what a great season we are having
we are a laughing stock and a big joke


WAKE UP


 

 

25 Mar 2012 23:32:49
i got to say is very disapointing all the negative comments like kenny got to go etc , its his first full season and ok our league form been up and down and poor lately but we got a cup in the trophy room we in europe for next season ok it europa but thats good experiance for a young new side like we have , and we in fa cup semi with a realy great chance to win it , when you understand the problems liverpool had and we were up the creak without a paddle because of the two clowns h and g , we have come so far, we have great owners whoare running the club the right way , we have a great manager who knows our club better than anyone and wants us to become a force again and hurts him as much as any true red when things aint going well but it will take time new players take a while to settle and get used to playing the way he wants some wont work as with all teams. old red nose strugled to do the same with the mancs took years to win his first cup and was wanted out by many of the fans and he took 7 years to win his first league title , we have to get behind king kenny he knows what he is doing some players not up to it some are so we ship out the ones who cant and replace em thats football lets just support him he is the one who will deliver to us the premier league we have to be patient ynwa the pool


Godammit....... I SO agree with you.


 

 

25 Mar 2012 23:15:15
As Aldo said,since New Year we'd be 2nd from bottom! On this form,Newcastle will hammer us,then Everton or Sunderland will beat us.Even Woy doing better comparatively.Your sounding daft and desperate Kenny-Tierd? My a se! Funny how only struggeling sides tierd.Or after bad result.If so tierd-you should be using squad and youngsters more then.2001 the amount of games that team played in short time to do treble and clinch 4th-thats tierd.Dont insult us,or kid ypourself Kenny.Maybe the sooner you face up to poor buys and your mistakes the sooner we will be a real team,worthy of name Liverpool Football Club!


 

 

25 Mar 2012 23:07:46
i think KENNY SHUD STAY and see until january.
Some of the tactics have been stupid but its mostly reason of s**t players.
If you want to blame tactics Steve Clarke and Kean are also responsible then. RODOLFO BORREL shud be Assisant Coach, done great with youth, has Barca style.

Plus wer in no position to sign likes of Cavani,Hazard etc.
But go for cheap young guys
HOILLET-winger-young pacy and i think wud be FREE in Summer
AM/LW/SS-try sign GASTON RAMIREZ

A ST is needed. J. Martinez, Ba, etc.??

From this page seems like we want Matt philips-RW/LW.


 

 

25 Mar 2012 23:03:22
Hello guys,

Now as you know I don't tend to look on let a lone post on your pages or any other football pages, but I got a little curious tonight and I thought I would give you my input, just like a few of the 'pool guys give there views on the way your club has been performing from an outside view.

I can't stress this enough that I'm not here to wind anybody or have a laugh I'm here to give you guys an honest opinion of what I see.

Now, if you want to be the best you've got to be the best, correct? now seeing as you're not going to play Barcelona anytime soon the only real analysis you can make is via your squads, so I'll look at each of your stronger, main players and tell you how I feel they've performed this season...

GK -
Reina: He's been fairly strong as always, he's made a few more mistakes this season than in previous years but a lot of keepers have been making them this season so i'm not going to subject him. I think he's miles better than Valdes who in all fairness I think is very poor keeper in a very strong side...Possibly a target for Barcelona?


RB -

Kelly: He's a very talented young player, as it stands I think you need to move him into CB to get some experience in his preferred position, but there's no doubt that he'll be a top player for years to come.

Johnson: Going forward there aren't many better, Although defensively he lacks any real qualities that the likes of Richards has, which for me is the difference between him being a good RB and a great RB.

Obviously, Alves is the best RB/RWB in the world so I'm not even going to comment on your two against him. although I will say that Kelly has the potential to go very far.

CB:

Carragher: He's had a very good career, no doubt on that but just like we are with Giggs he's not the player he once was and the only reason he's still with you is because he's a legend, he doesn't really add much to the team. In comparison to Barcelona, I don't think he would make their B team on a constant basis.

Agger: Jesus, well this lad looked so promising going into Liverpool, he's had injuries and still does look like a good player but I think he's at his level now and I can't see him getting much better.

skrtel: I like this boy, he's got the look of a real tough CB and I think he's been your saving grace this season, I don't think he'd get into the Barcelona side but I do think he'll get into a lot of top sides such as the Munich side or the Chelsea side.

LB:

enrique: What a lad, terrific player, like many including Evra, Abidal, etc. He finds it difficult against top class wingers and that's to be expected but at £5 Million he's a great buy and easily in the top 5 Left backs in the league. In fact the only LB I rate higher than him in the EPL is Cole. I think he's far better than Abidal and he would walk into that side.

RM:

Kuyt: Now, help me out here, when he was up top for you many a moon ago he was a top player but as he slowed down you moved him out wide? I don't understand that, maybe I've got something wrong in all of this but nevermind. Apart from his lack of pace I think he's a decent player, Wasted out wide but nonetheless a decent player. I don't think he'd get into a side with the quality of Barcelona but I do think as a Striker he'd get into a lot of decent sides, maybe not the top tier teams but certainly teams like Lyon, Marseille, etc.

Downing: I can't decide whether he's a left, or a right winger. He's a good player when he plays well, however that isn't very often, I think he lacks the drive to make it as a top player, the likes of Nani and Young have hot and cold periods throughout the year but I think Downing is very, very poor. to think players like Jarvis or Adam Johnson are/were available and are easily more rounded and consistent than Downing. I personally think he's a mid-table, back up England player and not a regular big time player. Obviously I don't think he's good enough to make the Barcelona B team.

CM -

Gerrard: Well, arguably one of the best England midfielders ever and arguably one of the best players ever. Very good player, he's not the player he once was but he provides the experience needed to literally carry your team. when you take into account his injuries and his rapid decline over the past 3/4 years it's remarkable how he's still a game changer, I massive rate Gerrard but I think he now needs to look at retiring over the next 2 years or risk ending up like a lot of players who went on too long, IE Teddy.

Adam: Just no, He was terrific at Blackpool because he had a free role and every mistake he made was cleaned up by Vaughan (who IMO is the player you should have got). he's overachieved to be playing for Liverpool to be honest and really wasn't worth the £9 Million fee. especially when players with the ability of Cabaye were likely sold for less or a similar amount.

Lucas: I like this lad, he's your unsung hero and you really have missed him this season, he's got a good pass and is brilliant at breaking up play and doing the dirty work. I think he's better than Biscuits but I don't rate him as high as Mascherano I don't think he'll get into the first XI but I do think if he were at Barcelona he'd make the squad.

Henderson: I like Henderson and I don't consider it £20 Million poorly spent, yeah it could have been spent on a better quality of player but that's not the point. He reminds me of Carrick, a similar player purchased for a similar Fee who I think will have a similar Career, he'll be that player that becomes your scape goat when you play poorly, he won't be in the England set up every game, he'll always be that nearly great always good player. I don't think he's good enough technically for Barcelona but I do think he'll have a good career either way.

spearing: I don't rate him at all on his current ability. he wouldn't even be near your first XI if everyone was fit and ready to play. He has potential to be great and he could well develop late but I don't think he's got a future as a top English player unfortunately, especially when the likes of Wilshere, Cleverley, Barkley, Livermore, McEachran are coming through at the same time.

LM -

Bellamy: Well, He's hardly the next best thing, he provides needed experience and quality to a squad that needs it, I don't think that now he could go much high in terms of level but he's still a good player who could play for the likes of Spurs if he's lucky. Obviously a no-goer for a side like Barcelona.

ST -

Carroll: Strangely enough I don't hate him, I think £35 Million was a little excessive for a player who had 4 months at EPL level and a very good championship season. Ignoring the price tag I do think he's got a future, unfortunately for him you don't play his style of football so he's never going to get 30 a season so I don't understand why he was bought when he doesn't fit your system. I don't think he'll ever make it to Barcelona's heights but I do think he'll be a feature in the England Set up in the future.

Suarez: Ignoring my personal feelings for him he's a very good player, I would consider him the best forward in the world or in the EPL for that matter but he's got a lot of talent and it's frightening to think what he could do with real world beating talent around him. I think he'll be off in the summer unfortunately but I think he could be one of the few players you have who can reach the top, top level.

The Gaffer -

Kenny - Well, He was by far a terrific player, one of the best ever in the english game, but here's my issue, he rides on that and unfortunately being a great player doesn't make you a great manager, he's not a poor manager but he's not great either. First time round at Liverpool he won it all, but I think that was down to the lack of quality competition in the league, that 'Pool side was by far the best team in the league at that time. the 37 game unbeaten run proves that. at Blackburn he done well but he had a lot of money to burn so he couldn't really go wrong. Then he went to Newcastle where he did do very well, but again he had a great squad to work with.
and again at Celtic he inherited the best team in a poor league.

The pattern starts to emerge here, he was great with clubs where he inherited a top squad, he built the Blackburn side but he had a lot of money to spend, could he have built it with a tight budget? It's hard to tell. If Shearer not got injured would they have walked the league? again we'll never know.

But what I will say is that with the exception of Blackburn he's inherited a good squad with good foundations, when he took over Liverpool it wasn't in the best of states in all fairness, you'd sold off your best player a couple of seasons before and you were currently stuck with some average players signed by both Hodgson and Rafa (although I do think you would be in a similar position if Roy had stayed and a better position if Rafa had stayed).

My point of all this is simple, he was a good manager when he inherited great squads, can he cut building with a poor squad (in comparison to previous 'Pool teams), I'm not so sure...Only time will tell...

So, out of the numerous players I mentioned I believe that only; Lucas, Reina, Enrique, Gerrard and Suarez have the ability to play at the top in some capacity. 5 out of your 25 man squad have the ability to play for a title winning side with only 3 (Reina, Enrique and Suarez) capable of playing for a side such as Barcelona or Real Madrid.

Now, you can sit here and slag United and say none of our players can match them bar Rooney and Vidic and you'll be right. but the difference is that we've got a talented squad and some very good first team players where as Liverpool have an average squad with very few league winning quality players.

I think you're going through transition much like ourselves and once the likes of Sterling (if you can keep him), Flannaghan, etc. all get experience and you've signed some decent players then I can see you in the top 4....the sad thing for you however is that I think to establish yourself as a top club again you'll have to rely on the downfall of United, Arsenal, City, Chelsea and Spurs to reach the top 4 immediately...In the long term I have no worries that you'll be up there again however I think you're looking at a 3-4 year period of gradual building.

Good luck in the FA cup and next season, I don't believe in hoping others fail to gain success.

The Moon.


Fantastic post mate. I agree with almost everything.

BthekingB


An intelligent and well-considered post, in my opinion.......not saying I agree whole-heartedly with 100% of it but It's sometimes good to get an outsider's viewpoint which isn't biased,mocking or hateful.
ANFIELDPETE


There is no way you can be a Man united fan as you actually talk a bit of sense
Just hope some of the Lfc fans can appreciate an outsiders perspective and recognise there is a lot a truth in your post

Leam Red


Thank's for your input The Moon! But Kenny did'nt inherit a decent squad at Blackburn! they were in the championship as it's called now! so he built it up over a couple of season's! got promoted bought even more player's then won the league! so i think taking a championship side from that league to premiere league champion's in 3 year's is not bad managing! but sadly that was 17 year's ago and the game has changed an awful lot!


You know your football moon , dont agree with everything you said , but most of it is right , you really are too much of a gent moon to be a utd supporter , you should of picked lpool to support when you were younger...............lfc


Moon if I've said it once mate, I've said it a million times. Your are by far the best Manc poster on the Manc page. And you really are an unbiased guy. I always enjoy reading your posts mate, you do talk a lot of sense. Which is no mean feat, considering your a Manc.

Are you sure your not a red in disguise? Or maybe your a closet scouser?

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96


Haha, thanks for the response guys...

to the poster just above lfc..Did i not say that bar Blackburn everywhere he went he inherited a decent squad? if not then I apologies because that's what I meant.

In general guys I'm glad that some of you agree and some of you don't that's what makes the sport and these websites so interesting, the difference in opinions..It's a shame debates can't also be held without escalating into arguments but that's the passion of football for you.

Blair, lfc and a any others who come on the United page every now and again will know that I'm a football fan before a United fan so perhaps that is why my views aren't tinted red? well, not always haha.

I have this belief that if you're wishing a team to fail then the team you follow and support is far worse. if your team is good enough it'll win, so I do hope you do extremely well in the future simply because it'll be great to see Liverpool back up with the big boys again.

It is a shame to see Liverpool where it is, when I was growing up in Spain and when I moved to the UK it was Liverpool dominating everything, it was brilliant to see from a football fan point of view, so to see your club in the state that it's in, in terms of stature...well it doesn't sit right with me. I feel the one thing United and Liverpool should have between them is Respect so when I see fans literally go too far and making things personal over a game it really does shock me.

Anyway! I'm rambling on here haha. Thanks for the responses guys, and as I said Good luck with the FA Cup this year and in Europe & The League next year.

Nevertheless, I'm still a United Fan so I'm looking forward to stuffing you both Home and Away next year ;D.

Enjoy your day guys.

The Moon.


Can't disagree with any of it either and seems relatively spot on for the most part. One good question I've never really seen answered- why did we buy Carroll exactly if we were going to try and play pass and move? Andy is a lot of things, but a pass and move style of striker are not adjectives I would use. Just all seems a bit schizophrenic to me.

RDL


I think Skrtel and Agger on their own aren't spectacular, but together they are brilliant. The problem is keeping them both fit for a full season. The trust and understanding they have is excellent - it is when Carra steps in that the confidence to venture forward and add an extra man in midfield disappears.

I think as a unit, Skrtel and Agger are world class, but also agree with your individual assessment of them, which is not quite world class.

LIVERPRES


This post is a joke right ?


Now this explains why u want me to get valencia on fut... haha just kidding.

Kaizer


Kazier haha.

Toni is a monster on the game as he is in real life ;).

Just been on the United page and it looks like I've become hated of the week which is always nice.

It amazes me that their may be banter and dislike between the clubs but to not acknowledge their talent in both clubs respective areas is just ignorance.

The Moon.


 

 

25 Mar 2012 23:00:25
Andy Carroll takes a lot of flack on this site and there seems to be a lot of rumours being posted about him being offloaded. However I think these astonishing stats speak for themselves

Results in last 7 Andy Carroll. starts - WWDWWWW.
Last 9 without him - DDDLLLLLL

Lay off the big man he may not be scoring too many but he definitely improves us when we play him from the start.

RedPandaMan


 

 

25 Mar 2012 21:55:45
Ed do you expect jochim low to leave germany after the euros? Do you think he could be a possible replacement for kenny if he left? {Ed002's Note - I doubt it.}


 

 

25 Mar 2012 22:18:02
Kenny signed mcmanaman, robbie fowler, redknapp. He saved lfc before he left. So why do people forget this. He saved us from being a championship team. Like QPR,

He left the club in a healthy state, young players, experience players like Peter Beardsley


Kenny did not sign Robbie


Kenny bought the best players available at the time - Barnes, Beardsley, etc. He did not bring young players through.


 

 

25 Mar 2012 22:09:31
Wingers: We buy right winger, left & right winger. Sterling is pushed into first team. Downing plays.

Kuyt sold, Maxi sold.

We have our wing play sorted.

Box-to-Box Midfielder, jack of all trades, hard tackler

Sell Glen Johnson and get someone who cost less.

Generally your sorted.

You could sell Andy Carrol and stop the obsessive route one ball when ever he plays.

Or sell Luis Suarez if he really wants to leave.

The midfield is broken and needs to be fixed.


 

 

25 Mar 2012 21:41:02
Eds,
could agger be fit for the newcastle game? {Ed019's Note - Doubt it}


 

 

25 Mar 2012 21:36:07
why doesnt Dalglish want to play Aquilani or Maxi? His english only policy is a straight-jacket for liverpool. The spaniards are on fire; he should buy some.


You do know where Aquilani is at the moment, right?


Isnt Aquilani on loan


And that aquillani or maxi aren't Spanish!!

Lyndon


He didnt say aquillani or maxi were Spanish


Aquilani doesn't want to play for Liverpool and, I suspect, neither does Maxi given that he's hardly been used this season.
I personally expect these two along with Kuuyt, Johnson,Cole and maybe one or two others will leave this Summer.
ANFIELDPETE


 

 

25 Mar 2012 21:36:04
hi eds all reds things have gone pear shaped in the last weeks, since carling cup final. we really need a strong finish to the season now, even if fourth has gone . as for the summer two players .realistically,we could sign are steven fletcher, graet goals per game record, another, whose had a great season, clint dempsey. fletcher, ive thought for a while , could do well for us, dempsey, i read a lot in his favour twelve months ago, isad a big no then , but , he would fot very well now, so theres me wrong on him! will suarez and carroll stay? i dont know, but we all need to be realistic in our hopes for new signings, no c.l football , means most major players wont come to liverpool fc! please god we can get to wembley again and win the fa cup! come on redmen! godbless 96 and all redmen!


 

 

25 Mar 2012 21:30:35
All this slaging of kenny is sad , is he a great manager no !!
Does he love this club , yes !! Is it time for him to be moved into a ambassador role yes !! Would I have rafa back ... Yes ! When will people realise we was on the verge of great things .... Until H.G !!! We was moving in the right direction with rafa until they turned up !! Think back where it all turned bad !! Rafa had faults yes for sure !! But did out smart the "special one " every time !! Chavski was ment to rule Europe under him !! Errr no never happened !! Two euro finals under our belt !! While chavski thro millions at it .who lets us know that h.g wasn't quite what we thought ...rafa !! " if rafa wants snoop dog "hey he made mistakes !! Was he stubborn yes!! Did he get us players we all dreamed about yess! Old whiskey had trailed Torres for years , we got him! Did he make mistakes yes!! Did he turn down real Madrid for a life living in a cold northern town yes!
Has he forgotton our 96 no !!
Finally name a top manager who would do this job for free!
Who can still attract top players , loves the whole Liverpool package , people , history , and who always said " if there talking about us , it's because there worried about us "and yes he made mistakes , but I think could and would have us all sat there on Friday days listening to the euro draws !! Think back pls rafa made mistakes " for sure"but the downfall all started with h.g !! People say he had money .... Which was loaned against our club !! So we always had to sell , loans always need paying !! With lots and lots of interest !plus I think it's kind of perfect that rafa brought kenny back , and I think it's time for kenny to do the same!!


Tough one. Great tactition but very negative boring football. Poor man manager, he needs to learn how to put his arm around a player in support and not to be so distant. I'm not sure whether he still has the support of the dressing room. Do you remember the look on Stevie's face when he took off Torres against Birmingham when we were chasing the game?

Having read Brian Reade's "An Epic Swindle" I do feel sorry for Rafa. He was always banging his head against a brick wall when it came to getting money for transfers, trying to arrange meetings with H & G. I guess he got too involved in the boardroom struggle BUT that's because he really loved LFC. He could see where this was heading and lost track of his managerial duties.

I wouldn't mind the Rafa of Valencia back, the one that played free flowing attacking football, the one that spanked our backside in Europe...but I'm not too keen on the old Liverpool Rafa.

MidlandRed


I hope we can rid ourselves of this knee-jerk reflex of going back to previous managers.

It almost never works.


Rafa sucked. I've never been so bored with Liverpool's general play than when Rafa was in charge. I like Kenny Dalglish. I think we should keep him for a while longer.

cozinoz


 

 

25 Mar 2012 21:22:34
This is endless .......
When Souness was manager we were howling with anger and pleading for him to go. Poor performances and atrocious decisions.
We laughed out loud when it was suggested that Keegan became manager as he was a serial walker-away manager and wasn't up the job.
We coughed when Thommo ended up next to Houllier and politely suggested he wasn't managerial number one material.
All three were 'Liverpool men.'
I would ask people to stop relating anything to do with Hillsboro' and Dalglish's involvement with the funerals to this current debate about his suitability as our current manager. If you want to discuss disrespect it would be to link those two!

SP


We didn't have thee internet. no one could tell him what a person he was being


SP, surely your point only suggests we should give KK more time?
You are right, you've named 3 Liverpool men who we didn't support to be manager. The reasons were, we could see they were wrong, they didn't have the necessary experience or the strong enough CV but KK has both.
I would bet that the majority of fans still support Kenny so his "unsuitability" is less obvious so maybe there's a reason for that.
Do you take my point?

Chris in Tamworth


Yes Chris - a fair comment. KK is slowly being seen in my eyes as not the man for the role, but I accept he could see another year through. I don't expect us to challenge for anything more than fourth next year.


It's hard not to relate Kenny to Hillsborough, when I think of Kenny SP mate. But I can also understand peoples frustrations and should be able to voice those frustrations

Everyone has to understand. Whether you want Kenny to stay or Kenny to go. F*ck all is going to happen until the.end of the season. So may I suggest, we leave this discussion until the end of May. And maybe just maybe, we get behind the team and manager until then. What harm could it do?

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96


SP - If you don't want a certain subject to be mentioned don't bring it up yourself.
DM2012


 

 

25 Mar 2012 21:34:49
Not to published , just to say thx eds for ur time !!


 

 

25 Mar 2012 21:26:58
First time post for me guys so please be gentle and also if its been coverd i apologise. Recent media speculation would suggest raheem sterling is unhappy with first team opportunities the lad has only just signed pro forms for the club and like i said media speculation but i hope kenny and the club arnt panicking giving the lad minutes playing in the first team hopeing to try and stave off the vultures before the lad is ready for the first team and also what message would it send to the rest of the reserves/youth players ..


 

 

25 Mar 2012 21:19:29
Charlie Adam at Blackpool, Ian Holloway

The midfielder's stock would not be so high had Ian Holloway not manufactured a formation that highlights Charlie Adam's strengths, while providing a screen for his weaknesses in the form of David Vaughan and Elliot Grandin.

Adam's performances reveals quite an intriguing tale. On the face of it, has five goals and six assists to his name, with a pass-completion ratio of 75.34%.

The Blackpool team was build around him. Something that will never happen at liverpool
{Ed003's Note - The Blackpool team was built around David Vaughan}


 

 

25 Mar 2012 21:42:26
If you want to say that our league position hasn't improved over last year - Our league position wouldn't have been close had Kenny not taken charge mid-season last year...

McSnuggles {Ed019's Note - At least we were never in the relegation zone...}


 

 

25 Mar 2012 21:16:45
Jurgen klopp will be new lfc manager in the summer.


Why on earth would he step down to take us on?


 

 

25 Mar 2012 21:10:50
Am I the only one that took these days for granted?


Clutching at straws.


Even though this was a great day in our history, this video makes me cringe, for god sake, we made a little film about winning a match, its crazy, we won a game 4-1 and players give little interviews as if we had won the bloody european cup, thats whats wrong with us, every season we raise our game for man u but we then get slaughtered by qpr and wigan, its a joke, we are absolutly miles behing manu city arsenal city and spurs, you dont see any of them making little videos when they beat each other, madness


Now that's what I'm talking about !!
Thx for the vid !


Its a build up video made by sky in a build up to the next game after the 4-1 game there is nothing wrong with that its telling the story of the last match


Well not exactly true spurs make dvds every time they have beaten us

watford gooner


People agreeing with the 2nd comment are idiots, it's clearly a video made by Sky to show before another Liverpool game

Red Ollie


 

 

25 Mar 2012 21:05:39
Just thought I would add some thoughts to this Kenny out talk. I am lucky enough to have supported Liverpool since the sixties, I have seen kenny play and manage, I also met him at a funeral following Hillsborough and saw first hand how dignified he was and the support he gave to families. That said I also grew up knowing the league is our bread and butter, cups give us a day out at Anfield south. While I think we need to show respect for what Kenny has done I think that was in the past, my concern is that while I realise the number of players we bought and they take time to gel etc, we need to ask one question. Have we improved in any way over the time Kenny has been back? Forget cups look at the league and that will give an answer. I really do not know who we would replace Kenny with buy we need to move forward and not live in the past. I love the way Kenny feels every success but am concerned at some of the excuses of late. I really hope we win the FA cup and allow him to step down on a high for the good of the club.


Fantastic post,generally conveys what most feel i yhink.Its horrible criticising Kenny.But its about LFC,and hard,but true to accept hes not doing it.Those backing him,is lovely sentiment,but we want the best for LFC


 

 

25 Mar 2012 20:54:42
long time ago kid use to think they could play in the premiership. The was to get paid for playing football. Now days their is no chance. The local kid in the academy wouldn't expect to make it. unless he was exceptionally fast or exceptionally strong and that is a worrying coaching trend.


 

 

25 Mar 2012 20:54:19
Afellay will be Liverpool's first summer signing followed by Giroud


Rubbish players being linked to us


Afellay will be a friend for agger on the treatment table as Fabio departs in the summer


 

 

25 Mar 2012 20:41:03
Good to see you back edd oo2 took abit of abuse off your colleagues admittedly i sent him sum sarcasim but good to see the main man back running the page all the haters are back i see not been on for abit i just knew there would be a load of banter after the poor result i am also frustrated but dont think a new manager is neaded think kenny neads
To take a long hard look in his tinted mirror and slap himself. Maby kenny wants to be the be all end all of our club the man once helped to take our club to greatness and maby he be the man to destroy it aswel bit of a conspiracy thought haha


Trouble understanding that...........


Whats wrong with that lad, the poster!?!?!


 

 

25 Mar 2012 20:39:25
I simply don't understand some of the negativity of my fellow LFC fans/supporters on here.

"Sack Kenny." "Dalglish Out."

It leaves me to wonder, why?

This is King Kenny's first full season in charge of LFC and he has won us a Carling Cup and got us to the semis of the FA Cup despite buying 9 first team/squad players in 2011. 9 new players to any team would take time to gel and 1 season is not nearly enough time, surely.

Other than Mourinho, I can't think of any manager that has had incredible immediate success at any top Premier League club - all managers need time to improve a club, especially at the start of a rebuilding process like LFC is currently in.

Look at SAF at Man U. In his first season, he finished 11th with them, albeit with a side that had much lower expectations than LFC today. 25 years on and he is one of the most successful Premier League managers of all time. His success wasn't made over 1 season was it? Neither will Liverpool's this season.

Even the great Bill Shankly took a long length of time to build LFC to the top.

Sacking King Kenny now would be senseless in my honest opinion. Not because he's bigger than the club, because no man is, but because he has started LFC's rebuilding process and cutting him off just 1 full season into it would only mean we would have to start it all over again with another manager, would it not?

I said this to my mates about Roy Hodgson just before he was sacked and I hope saying it here won't make for a repeat with Kenny, but if we keep sacking managers 1 season into rebuilding LFC, surely we will never get anywhere!

Next season will be better League wise if not in terms of cup glory. And the season after the that will be even better and so on. But only if we stay with Kenny for as long as possible. If we fire him or he leaves, another manager will come in, buy his own players, we will be 7th again most likely due to the mass of new players not gelling immediately, and we will be calling for his head again - but only if Kenny his sacked.

Have a little patience LFC supporters, please, for the clubs sake. It will be a lot harder for the team and staff if the fans are against them!

I am wholly confident that, if given time, King Kenny can bring success back to this brilliant football club.

Reid the Red


Your being negative, lol

I get the joke.


What joke? everything I said there was my serious, honest opinion...

Reid the Red


He shouldnt be sacked just moved upstairs. He is tactically inept. Motivation is key in his game and he has lost that edge now.

What the players do on the pitch however, is the key for his survival now... If they want his stay they need to up their game. And too from him.. if he wants to stay he needs to up his game and get the team to go for it.... more bodies in attack and give the youngsters a go...start brooding them

Speeds


Totally agree Reid the Red, spot on , whats sacking or moving up stairs going to acheive? Play out the last few games and look foward to next season, i can see 2 of the sign'ns since kenny took over being moved on, plus Maxi, Aurielo and Kuyt sold. One thing i dont understand is why we didnt recall Joe Cole?
JayB


We bought these expensive english players so they didnt need time to adjust all i can say is LOL


 

 

25 Mar 2012 20:38:30
Since when did Liverpool have a divine right to win any league game. The best team won on the day and fans should show respect to other teams. Wigan we respect your win over us. The better team won.


Iv got victor moses in my team


As the original poster state's the best team won on the day! but giving the position's in the league on the day and that Wigan have been in the bottom three most of the season plus we were at home! should'nt the fan's be expecting a win?


 

 

25 Mar 2012 20:37:05
Any club that buys Charlie Adam, who was good in a poor team, and expects to progress further is mistaken.

How much did Mata cost and how much are his wages? Not much in it and who is the better player?

Gstar


Blackpool's team was build around Charlie Adam, all stats in the world can't tell you about the player until you get your hands on him. Bit like a woman.
tatistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital

Then like a woman, you have to treat them right in order to get a good performance out of them come the big night.


I agree with one point you make. Charlie Adam is like a woman!

Melbourne CFC


I agree but it was the same poor team that took 6 points off Liverpool


 

 

25 Mar 2012 20:30:34
I've realised that my expectations are way off beam each season recently...

I start each year looking to win the league. But, to just get 4th means one these team will have to be below you in the league:

Arsenal
Chelsea
Man City
Man Utd
Spurs - with exception of Spurs (who have been over achieving this season in my opnion)

This is not a walk in the park anymore, some of those teams now spend big money as well! So, we either wait for FSG to sell to some rich Oil sheik to bankroll the purchase of superstars... OR, stay faithful and loyal to the team we've followed and supported all these years through the good and the bad times and trust that the youth systems will start to eventually produce.


We are an above average side now....Us Pool fans need to understand that... the sooner we do the quicker we can stop moaning and start supporting...We expect to win things every season but its not the case any more as we cant compete with the big boys. We have done loads wrong starting from upstairs getting the wrong people in to geting things wrong on the pitch. We have bought players that have added something better to the team (just) but have paid far far far too much for them (especially for end product)..... Bad decisions that are making us go backwards every day. KK should have been brought in to steady the ship and then move on (that way his legendary status would have been upheld) Now I just hope for his sake we win the cup and he can leave on a high.
The only way back is for a tactically sound manager that can get the best out of average players and for our scouts to actually earn their money and spot the talented players that we need.
As much as we think we are not progressing we are from last year its just the league results are not showing it.

A skinfull Speeds


You got it right - hope you get a gold star

Trouble is no one wants to know


 

 

25 Mar 2012 20:22:15
I think Kenny Dalglish did great this season. He hired english workers.

But if I owned a factory would I of hired English workers? They are over paid, think too highly of themselves, relaxed work effort. Im more likely to hire polish workers who are better educated, work harder and longer for less.

I guess this sums up the uk. Our economy and the general state of play. I always draw parallels between premier league and the state of the ecomomy


Are you saying we should sign Polish players?
If so it would be good idea to bring back Jerzhy Dudek to help with the scouting as he will have the inside track on the Polish players.
kidmillions


Better educated?
Prehaps you should go to school in krakow then.

MIKEY


The Polish football team are rubbbbbbish man ... what are you talking about ;-p


Uneducated post of the week!
A Polish man and his wife worked a 60 hr week on the minimum wage in a factory on Merseyside, lived in a one bedroom run down flat. Saved as much money as they could over a 5yr period. Went back to Poland and bought a 3 bedroomed house in the countryside for cash £9.000.
So you see their rewards for working hard and long hours for low pay are much higher than British people because of their economy. British people are just as hard working and intelligent but do not get the rewards or incentive.
kidmillions


Also they are the greatest butt kissers you'll find, if thats your thang!


The premiership gives you a good state of the economy. Big organisations like man utd going 2 or 3 years without heavy expenditure. under investment and trying to balance the books. Other organisations like liverpool who have to be bought out and put on sensible financial platform.

Then their are government legislation/fifa like more English workers or that new budget sweetener for uk companies. bribe companies to hire a long term unemployed and we will pay you for 18months to keep them.

You can see it play out at your local club. The state of the country measured in football club health.


 

 

25 Mar 2012 20:08:56
What starting line up would people like to see v Newcastle?

Should we play our strongest team in hope of gaining some pride back if we win? But then if we lost it would be even more damaging...

So, strongest team? Kids? Or a mix?

This is what I have in mind...

------------Reina-----------
Flanagan-Skrtel-Coates-Enrique
-----------Spearing---------
-------Gerrard-Shelvey------
Suarez------Carroll----Downing

Subs: Doni, Carra, Robinson, Henderson, Sterling, Adorjan, Ngoo/Morgan.

Allows Gerrard to link up with Suarez, Carroll would (hopefully) get his service from Gerrard (inside-right), Downing (left by-line), Flanno & Enrique (from deep).

And yes, I do like to think of myself as a tactician...

Stone YNWA - the greatest Football Manager gamer there has ever lived!


Says it all really


 

 

25 Mar 2012 20:07:00
The Reality of 4th

Extra money in the champions league
No medals and no trip to wembley
It gets you the top top players wrong
The player will go to the money which we will never compete with, we are behind
Mancs x2
Barca, Real
Chelsea
Bayern
That is the reality, therefore we need to build over time to compete at CL level and along the way mistakes are going to be made on transfers, but the books must be balanced.
We aren't going to miss out on players because of 4th, we have won one of the 3 competitions available and in the semis of another, yes league form has been disappointing but change for change sake is going to benefit the club.
Agger has really hurt us, we now play deeper cos carra doesn't want to be exposed. FA Cup would really put a positive on this, I'd rather be us than Chelsea arsenal or spurs and one of the mancs is going to come out with nothing after the money they have spent.
Walk On
Pistol Pete


You spent over a 100 million on crap you will finish 10th and wont get to the cup final


The Cup double is nailed , only Everton/Sunderland to get past and then a London club in the final - no problem .

Qwerty


To the poster who wrote this

You spent over a 100 million on crap you will finish 10th and wont get to the cup final

Yes I agree we have spent a lot on not too hot players but had you seen the sh@te we had before in their places?? These players are quality in comparisson...
Ngog, Poulson, Konchesky...do I need to continue??
Its called slow expensive improvements... any way building a team doesnt mean every player needs to be world class... if you get the cogs right in a team and the tactics is spot on you can win anything... You look at Man U... sh@te players but as a team playing well with a tactically sound system... winning what matters most years the league.. Man City great players... going to win SWEET F.....A...
We will get it right one day just hope its in my lifetime

Speeds


Agree with Speeds here, Greece won the Euros in 2004 with a side devoid of too many/if any wc players!

Keith


 

 

25 Mar 2012 19:41:37
Downing - relegated with Middlesbrough
Enrique & Carroll - relegated with Newcastle
Adam - relegated with Blackpool


Its only through losing can we see a players true character


 

 

25 Mar 2012 19:57:15
i dont want players who only want cl, i only want to see players who want to play for the liver bird.

alan waddle


I m really sorry to break it to u but they r not many who would play only because it's Liverpool Suarez didn't come to us because we r lfc he came to us because we were the only one who wanted him then ..not saying we don't have the brand name and such we have the brand name and and stuff...put ur self in a neutral footballers position doesnt support us or the Mancs honestly who would he prefer to go...u know and I know it won't be us....and if u start talking about some players who r seeing the development we r doing I don't think they would be patient enough to spend 5 years in his prime to play in a reconstructing side and if u r a foot baler what would u like to show ur grandchildren in the future...a premier league winners medal or a bunch of Mickey mouse cup winners medal


A bunch? Dont you mean 1 Mickey Mouse Cup medal?

Melbourne CFC


 

 

25 Mar 2012 19:40:57
As Bill Shankly said," If you can't support us when we draw or lose, don't support us when we win"

Ali Jft96


Shankly would be turning in his grave if he seen the state our team is in now


He wouldn't be turning in his grave at the state of the club.

He'd be happy there's is a manager that will do anything for the fans, afterall he strived to make the fans happy.

He would most likely be bitterly dissapointed with the fans attitude towards the club, so perhaps you should leave a name instead of spouting anonymous drivel.

KT!


The only club to WIN a trophy this season


Please dont compare Shankly and Dalglish, Its disrespectful to Shankly


If you cant spend £100m on new players and improve the squad,if you cant break transfer records and beat small teams at Anfield,if you cant handle the media or control loose cannon players..... then please dont be our manager.

LFC deserves the best, Kenny is not the best therefore the solution is simple Kenny out and get someone who can do the job.

TIME TO GO


So simple just to rehash a soundbite. Means nothing. When the economy is in the pan and you're asked to pay ££££££££££ to watch matches, you can support as and when you like/can. All this historical guff pulls no weight with lots of fans. So many posts just posting s**t about getting behind the team, letting Kenny get on with dragging us down, the team needing another billion to get it right and the players tired after running round for 90 minutes with only a day off. Come on!!! Endless excuses


Spot on! Shanks went 6 yrs without winning a trophy after 1967. Did anyone lose Faith?
No they didn't and no one should lose faith now!
kidmillions


Shankly would be managing in the first division with all the other english players and managers if he was alive today. Premier league more of world league and has very little to do with England.

The premiership is full up with foreigners and foreign fans that expect wins week in week out.


That's because it's the only competition that's finished? I'd love it if the League was canceled and no one won it, but, don't see it that happening myself!


 

 

25 Mar 2012 19:34:05
Oh how they must be laughing at us on Tyneside,Demba Ba and Cisse to replace Andy Carroll and round about £20 million profit on the deal.
We did some good business signing Enrique but they still sit comfortably above us in the League.
What the f### is Commoli supposed to be doing,I thought his role was to pick up top talent and spot developing talent,on that basis he should be down at the job centre tomorrow.
I do think his presence is part of the problem surely the manager should be able to choose the players he wants and the scouts can advise him accordingly,seems to me he is just an underworked and overpaid parasite.
The owners will need to think long and hard as to whether to release any transfer funds in the summer because on the evidence of the current management teams dealings so far they would be better off keeping the money in the bank.
We will not be able to attract the superstars of Europe anymore but Newcastle have shown there are talented strikers out there for not a lot of money,so maybe we need someone who can spot these players and not just chase players who everyone wants and knows about who never get near to coming to us.

Get rid of the non performing Commoli,think about Kennys future(dont want him sacked) and review what has gone wrong this season and bloody put it right.

Derek


Commoli should be replaced by rafa.

barrabas


Luckily enough Chelsea paid for Carroll on our behalf and also gave us £15 mil to buy Enrique and Adam. For their kindness we gave them a stunning Top Class goalscorer.
In the summer Chelsea asked us if we would like some more money to help us buy Downing we accepted their kind offer once again and gave them a wonderful all round midfield player albeit with a strange haircut named Meirelles who couldn't get in our team any way and now can't get in theirs. In the Summer perhaps we will sell a couple and bring in a couple.
kidmillions


I get the feeling that Comolli has picked out some top young talent but DALGHLISH has declined them and opted for average english players!


You are aware your fans voted Meirelles player of the year, during the season he 'couldn't get into your team'.

Your also aware Carroll and Adam have floped just as much if not more than Torres. And as shockingly poor Meirelles may be, he sh*ts on Downing in his sleep.

Fortunately your entire team is now evidently rubbish and Roman will not open the cheque book again for you.

Another fun fact: Steven Gerrard is the leading scorer at Anfield this year. Who is second you ask? Caldwell.

Melbourne CFC


You have to give NUFC credit for the way they've re-established themselves after relegation.

We may have funded some of their rebuilding, but they've spent £35m very well. It's very easy to throw cash around and make mistakes (as we have experienced) but Ben Arfa, Cisse, Ba, Cabaye, and Santon are good players who would improve many squads.

RedSG


Melbourne CFC, Lucas was voted player of the year.


 

 

25 Mar 2012 19:33:19
Carraghers is going to cost Kenny his job if this carries on. It is no coincidence that our drop in form coincides with Aggers injury and the return of Carragher. To be perfectly honest, I've never rated him as a footballer but respected his spirit.

He's too slow and the defence as a unit have to sit deep to compensate this. Skirtle has to compensate his shortcomings rather than play his own game and Carragher is constantly allowing opponents to get the wrong side of him at set pieces. We cannot have a high line when Carragher plays so we just run into corners and out of ideas as our opponents just soak it up.

His sensitivity when probed regrading his future career at Liverpool after the carling cup final was an indication that his arrogance is getting in front of rationale thinking. Step down Jamie, you've been a good servant but it's becoming embarrassing.

I have mates across the country supporting various teams and before they visit Anfield I always engage in a bit of banter with them. Most consider their team in with a chance if 'old man Carraghers' playing, as they put it.

Ozone


Carragher should be 4th choice, no doubt about it.

RedSG


 

 

25 Mar 2012 19:19:37
I find it so hard to understand people at the end of the day the fans wanted King Kenny and i am well happy with him and i think he as done a fine job and things will get even better in years to come with the backing that has been shown so far for him.

We need to support our club through thick and thin, and just maybe then we will reach the top but there is an element of fans that wants to win everything yesterday. well unfortunately life dont work like that.

We have one trophy locked away and another semi to come and now we should work o reaching our peak in time for April 14th. Also try and pick up as many league points as we can.

Some fans are like spoilt brats and just chuck there toys out of the pram at the first sign of trouble, well lets have some fighting spirit we are LFC and i am so proud to wear the Liverbird on my chest.

So some questions fo the fickles.

Who is the only manager to win a trophy for LFC in the last 6yrs?

When was the last time we was in a FA Cup semi?

mighty reds


2006!


 

 

25 Mar 2012 19:19:10
Liverpool FC is not in a crisis, not in a big mess etc etc. From top down we have a football club that is structured and everyone is working in the same direction. Results are not great and must improve and will improve.

If Macca is correct and we are going to redevelop Anfield I think that is great news. We have won a trophy and could possible win another one.

Some fans are calling for Rafa to come back. This is from the same fans that slag off Downing (Rafa was desperate to sign him but Hicks & Gillett said no), praise Bellamy (Rafa treated him like s**t and sold him after 1 year).

When we last had our great season the spine of the team was excellent Reina, Carragher, Hyypia, Alonso, Macscherano, Gerrard & Torres. I believe our issue this season has been trying to find the right balance especially made harder when Lucas was injured, Gerrard in and out injured, the same with Agger and Henderson played out of position etc. KD is trying to find that formula and thats why we get the inconsistency. We keep slagging off Carroll even when he does not play. Henderson (he is only 20, remember what we did with Lucas). It is difficult but let's continue to support. Yes we do need another striker and quality CM. I do believe with younger players coming through, couple of quality signings things will be better next year. With the Europa League these young lads will get the chance.

I can also assure the club will not be getting rid of Kenny now or in the summer


Oh your wrong there! He is gone he is a disgrace and fsg will be diplomatic but they can see and deeply regret that they ever let the PLONKER anywhere near the club!

TIME TO GO


I'll be at anfield SCREAMING liverpool liverpool every other week or so.....
untill iam dead wat ever the passed result..........................................


Good post, your spot on, the inconsistencies come with poor balance in the team when players are being played who should be retired or are having to do a job in a position unfamiliar to them. Shame you didn't sign off.

Ozone


Kenny's a PLONKER now?!

Jesus...

McSnuggles...


A sad state of affairs, Liverpool supporter-dom seems to be becoming...


 

 

25 Mar 2012 19:12:46
Ed sorry I keep using the term top striker I just need a good one next season so that we don't missed our goal chances like this season


 

 

25 Mar 2012 19:11:36
This is sad to say, But its getting to the stage now where im tuning on sky sports news and im actually hoping that i see bright yellow down the bottom of the screen with the headline ''Kenny Dalglish has left Liverpool''... He needs to get out of our club now.


Said the same to my bro earlier, he needs to go


There are 3 trophies you can win in england every season prem fa cup carling . carling won fa cup in semis is that not a succes.sful season


Since when did Liverpool have a divine right to win any league game. never, hard work is the key. Greatest and most knowledgeable fans in the world we like to call ourselves, scroll down, read the messages think of the pleasure the club and the team hae given us all in the past, take a breath of realism and shake your heads in disbelief. We are going through a rocky patch and what happens, mud is being flung left right and centre. The famous 12 th man, do nt make me laugh. As a season ticket holder for over 30 years football works in cycles, our time will come again. Every year I go on a family holiday abroad. I always end up havin a few pints with football fans from around the world, the same quotes arise yearly, how they would love to visit Anfield just once with their team to capture the atmosphere. How they all have a soft spot for Liverpool as the majority know what Shanks did and what we became, how we entertained the country on saturday evenings on match of the day and subsequentley over europe. We have a few poor results/performances and I cannot believe what i am reading today. All Kenny/LFC slaters on this tremendous site today should remember the 96 fans who never came back from a football match, drop their heads in shame, take a deep breath and re visit the site with a massive apology.

Mick


Wish fans like you stopped supporting US right NOW

and AS SOON AS POSSIBLE

LiverBird


All Kenny/LFC slaters

U mean all those people who have the sheer gall to ask questions?


 

 

25 Mar 2012 19:06:33
I know the results aint great but these are the times we need to stick togeather! we are liverpool we support our own win loose or draw. Hopefully we can get the fa cup and 2 cups might not be a bad foundation for next season. I was angry yesterday like a lot of you but look at the positives now we have better owners and silverware so we are moving forward the fa cup would be great and we have a chance so lets see what we end up with. Besides fernando left liverpool to win trophies and we could have 2 more then chelsea in the end would you have taken that before a ball was kicked this season i would have.

Red raj


Spot on, I am absolutely certain were on the right track. Kenny just needs more time.
kidmillions


 

 

25 Mar 2012 19:01:34
Anyone honestly think were going to beat newcastle next sunday? If they beat us they would be 11 points ahead and then surely kenny will leave - No other option?

Harley


Predicting football match results is well nigh impossible.
kidmillions


Kenny will never walk away from LFC again! and FSG would never sack him before the end of the season! but i can see the latter happening in the summer! diplomatically!


 

 

25 Mar 2012 19:03:20
we must be the only club who would sack a manager after he has won a trophy . LAUGHABLE kk knows more about football than i do and anyone who has ever posted on here . he is rebuilding the club .

alan waddle


Rebuilding is buying players your going to keep,not players you pay top prices for and dont produce the goods,and having to replace them,KD.s best player he's brought in was a free and old..


 

 

25 Mar 2012 18:58:56
Hey Eds,

Liverpool have become a soft touch,far to many excuses and talking from the players like Gerrard and Enrique saying we belong in the top 4. I say we belong exacly where we are. The players need a kick up the backside bigtime!

I Believe that we needed a manager from outside the circle of the club to bring new life, new style and mentality to the club we need to become winners again and not settle for 2nd best.

Thatracconstolemybacon


Think that racoon got more than your bacon ;)
Don't fall in line with the kick a dog when it's merchants on here. Support the Manager through thick and thin and you will feel better about yourself and look forward to a Wembley: There now doesn't that feel better!
kidmillions


 

 

25 Mar 2012 18:55:18
Cisse 9m, Ba free, Ben Arfa 5m, Cabaye 4m, Santon 6m, Tiote 3.5m, Total = 27.5m, Andy Carroll 35m, Henderson 16m, Downing 20m, Adam 9m, = 80m!! I wont include Suarze and Enrique at a cost of 29m because they are doing well and were worth it BUT i think we have been well rewarded by mugging you with Carroll. Honest answers please, do you Agree?


What is the f**king point in this topic. These are our players so start supporting them.


You'll get Europa league qualification ... that's all. We've even beaten you to that (by winning something btw)


The expectations are less at Newcastle so they can gamble on players, if it works ok if doesn't ok. No cups or even Cup runs for them; finishing 5th or 6th is amazing for them! Wherever they finish now the Manager is amazing.(see the difference) If we finish 7th or 8th and win 2 cups the Manager is ?? You decide?
kidmillions


Didn't Mike Ashely get you relegated


No probs if ya happy with that? some people on here are not(not me though)


Ignoring the arrogant tone of your post I agree with your general point.I never would have thought it but pardew has done a superb job.very astute transfer dealings and playin some good stuff.I would love to see Newcastle get cl this year they deserve it.of course u do know we cannot b as bad in the league again next season so ye really should make the most of it.


 

 

25 Mar 2012 18:48:45
Kennys excuse - fatigue. Forgive me if I'm wrong. They played 3 games in 7 days, this is their only job, ok they may train hard and do events for clubs, charities, advertisement ect. 50 k + a week for most of players. Now I personally run round for 10 hours a day dealing with disabled children, I know other carers who deal with people with special needs and can work up to 16 - 18 hours a day 6 days a week. We get paid less than 20 k a year! All I'm trying to say is that our players get trained for these type of situations, get paid ridiculous amounts of cash for. don't talk to us about tired kenny. If I was any player at Liverpool fc I would look at myself and say I don't deserve this! We fans pay good money to watch,we take time off to watch, halve of us follow the games some way or the other. This is what we get back excuses and poor performance after another. Listen to the crowd at the big games, the European games home and away we rock the stadiums with our support. And then the small games how quiet we go..... Unless we are winning! The passion of the team makes me question whether or not most of them can be bothered being there. It disgusts me! Most of them aren't good enough to be professionals, some don't even know how to behave in public. People would sacrifice a lot to play for Liverpool fc and we get this.....


Completely agree 3 different jobs would love to swap places!!!


100% spot on...it's absolutely an insult to the fans intelligence for Kenny to say this.
If he turned round and blamed lack of confidence, as is apparent, them we'd all agree. But to say theyre tired is in all honesty a cop out.
Prob is If he admits it's confidence then we'd all wonder why
he can't motivate them.
admit that we're having a bad run, we're gonna dig deep etc and we'll crack on.
As it is I'm losing faith game by game, not just because we can't seem to finish teams off but also in KK ramblings post match. He's like a lost sheep, giving crazy answers to simple questions. Granted the media twist things but he needs to keep it straight forward rather than messing with them.
we fans Also need to raise the volume at Anfield, not just against the big teams. We're as much the problem as we are part solution
Sinner21


 

 

25 Mar 2012 18:47:47
Let's face it we are going nowhere fast under kenny,we have just lost against Wigan and QPR??yes we win the carling cup but look how bad we played we was lucky to win that game,you don't buy players like Adam,Downing,Henderson, and expect to get in to the top 4,carrol was a panic buy who did not want to leave Newcastle in the 1st place,players like kuyt and carra should not be 1st team choices.
I cant see a win coming up any time soon

The liverpool way is dead and gone RIP
Liverpool will never walk alone but kk can jog on.

Take of your rose tinted glasses,take your heads out the sand,wake up and smell the coffee.


Were we also lucky against stoke chelsea and man city twice.


Oh bore off! What is the point of posting that? Why don't you sign your post? ...I'll sign it for you: Non-supportive waste of space who you wouldn't in the trenches with you'

dd


DD - fighting wars in the trenches was last century mate! This is 2012 and we want something other than guff and hope.


 

 

25 Mar 2012 18:45:57
Heard Kenny wants Paul Konchesky back in the summer to replace Fabio Auralio, Around 6 Million is touted figure.

David Ngog is wanted by comolli but bolton do NOT want to sell him, Around 15 Million is the touted figure.

El Zhar and Degan to also make an emotional return!

Kenny believes these players will take us to the next level and the title next year. Im so exited!!

Harley


Yes you are so 'exited'...goodbye!

dd


 

 

25 Mar 2012 18:45:38
Ed 001 or 002, where do you think it went wrong for Liverpool this season (if you do at all?) And don't say you'd rather not answer that, you must have an opinion like every football fan does.

Ash {Ed002's Note - (1) Too many buys not meeting expectations. This was largely the fault of the management team. (2) I am not convinced that Dalglish is the person to lead the club back to the Champions League which will facilitate further building and a push toward the top of the league. This was entirely the fault of the owners not going with their gut feel and, instead, following the wishes of the fans to appoint Dalglish on a permanent basis. (3) Destablizing issues with Suarez placing the owners and the board in a very difficult position. This is the fault of the player, and has been made worse by Suarez, other players and the manager not letting go and moving on. The press are happy to feed off this as long as they drag it out.}


I like you Ed 002.

Ash {Ed002's Note - I like you as well Ash.}


And Fernando Torres ed002 ?
I'm not being facetious here. He is a good player but what has happened ?
The Real KB {Ed002's Note - So the obsession with comparisons continues. Perhaps you should ask this on the Chelsea page.}


No, it wasn't meant in that way ed.
Ash, and many others do not rate most of the signings at all. That's fair enough.
But proven top players can be signed and not immediately work. That is my point. There are other dynamics at work other than just ability.
Of course these other factors are still the responsibility of the management team. But those dynamics can be addressed ; by additions to the team, positions etc.
If the owners are prepare to trust Kenny with that, of course !
The Real KB {Ed002's Note - You are completely right. Torres has certainly not worked out for Chelsea although there are perhaps little signs that he is getting some confidence now. Like Liverpool, the summer will be telling for him.}


In my honest opinion KB, he never got over the injury he had the op for in April 2010 and we properly mugged Chelsea for £50m for him. Of course we then turned around and were promptly mugged Llamblas (sp) and Ashley so the joke wasn't entirely on them.

Ash


We should never have paid £35m for Andy Carroll definitely.
I don't know if I can stand the strain of getting to Summer. It's ridiculous how a bad result can ruin your whole weekend.
Anyway, as my mate Ringo Starr is fond of saying, "peace and love" all.
The Real KB


Youve changed your tune kb


 

 

25 Mar 2012 18:45:29
Arsenal fan here, and I'd just like to say that lfc fans should learn from our mistake. We went through a tough period and started wanting Wenger out, but look at how he's turned it around. I think that given time, Dalglish can do the same. If you can bring in a top finisher then you can definitely challenge cl qualification next season


Yeah but in fairness, Wenger is ten times the manager kenny is, Wenger has changed with the times the past 15 years, kenny is stuck in the past, bad tactics, bad signings, bad interviews, bad excuses, bad management, bad judgement, just bad.


Kk done something wenger wont do this season win a cup .


 

 

25 Mar 2012 18:34:40
I didnt post yesterday because i wanted to give myself time to think about how i felt... Well today this is how i feel, We are in desperate need of big changes in our club, Kenny can not do the job, He was a legend for this club when he came back but every week his legendary status is taking another bashing, Lets be honest, He wont be sacked, But he needs to step down, The times have changed and he has not changed with them, He has never gave 1 good interview since he took over, He's always on the defensive, Its embarrassing to watch, Especially the whole suarez t-shirt interview, could any of you really imagined another manager like ferguson, mourinho, wenger coming out wearing such a ridiculous t-shirt? its cringe worthy, Ask yourselves 1 very simple question, If Hodgson was in charge right now and got the results that kenny has got, Would you want him out of our club? too bloody right you would, There would be protests outside anfield, but because its 'king kenny' we say nothing negative and keep backing him, we need to act now before its too late, we are allready the laughing stock of the football world, Kenny wasted over 120m on carroll, downing, coates, adam, doni and henderson. They are not liverpool quality, we have scored 36 goals in 30 games, only wolves, wigan qpr,bolton and villa have scored less and their fighting relegation, we have 3 or 4 home wins all season, we have lost 5 of 6 games and won 2 games in 2012, that is relegation form, we need big changes right now, but i cant see us been giving much money in the summer and theres not a chance we will even recoup half of what was wasted on kennys signings, gerrard isnt the same anymore, carragher needs to retire, we dont know what way lucas will come back after his injury, people say its a progression stage but if we are this bad this season, how are we suppost to get better if we also have thursday night europa games, i really cant see anything improving, in me 53 years supporting this team ive neer ever been so sad and upset, i just keep hoping and praying we dont end up like leeds, forest etc. kenny needs to leave our club right now, NO MAN IS BIGGER THAN THE CLUB. the sooner the better people realise that the better, davey.


Thats probably the best post ive ever seen on here, your so right, everyone is just blind coz its king kenny dalglish in charge, we are a sinking ship if things stay the same, but i hope your ready for an onslaught of abuse and dislikes, because your not allowed tell it like it is on here pal, truth hurts, great post, paul ynwa


The most ridiculous post possible from a so called supporter of over 50yrs " I have also supported Liverpool for over 54yrs and you my friend should know better. Support Kenny through thick and thin as just like Shanks he is no ordinary man.
Feel totally ashamed of people like you not giving him enough time? He has 3yr contract and deserves at least that time to restructure the whole mess he inherited.
kidmillions


'kidmillions' you say youve supported lfc for 54 years but you use tha name kidmillions? doubt it, id say your about 15 pal


 

 

25 Mar 2012 18:30:35
Hello Scousers , thought I would give you a visit as you havent been on the Spurs site for ages . Still I suppose you are too embarressed , what with your joke of a team . Nice to know though that you are doing your bit for the poorer teams in the premiership by buying all their crap english players for huge sums . Anyway , by for now ,
davo


Hi there... Any trophies lately.?.?


A joke of a team with more silverware then you could ever dream of......I wouldn't mouth off to much if I was a spud !!

Matty b


You would if you were a spud and the people you were mouthing off too with pool fans. Genuinely you would.

Melbourne CFC


 

 

25 Mar 2012 18:29:44
I reckon this is who Liverpool will buy and sell

Buy:
M.Suarez-20m
M.Isla-12m
M.Marin-20m
S.Keita-8m
Cavani-30m
Total: 90m

Sell:
Adam-10m
Carroll-15m
Maxi-6m
Aquilani-6m
Doni-2m
Cole-6m
Darby-2m
Johnson-15m
Kuyt-10m
Total: 72m

Reina

Kelly Skrtel Agger Enrique

L.Suarez Gerrard Marin Downing

M.Suarez Cavani

Subs: Jones, Carragher, Isla, Keita, Henderson, Lucas, Bellamy


Are u drunk? Most of those players would want champions league football so that rules us out, theres no way we will get any wer near 90m million afetr kenny wasted over 100m last year and kuty would not be sold for 10m, more about 3-4m.


Why would any of them players come to pool ?


Sum wish list shame your price on players are all wrong lol madman
mrbrown


8M for a 32 year old...WHT!!


No chance the owners are going to 'risk' big money for 'untested' EPL players.


 

 

25 Mar 2012 18:22:56
I just want to look forward to motd again. I fear we are turning into Spurs of 4+ years ago. Average in every sense of the word.

Ash


You are beyond that - poor in every sense

nice cheap shot at Spurs btw

Gav


 

 

25 Mar 2012 17:48:46
Comolli & Dalgliesh are looking at a number of average mid-table at best UK players and are potentially prepared to over-spend ludicrious amounts of money to buy them. My connection INK thinks that a £40m bid for Titus Bramble might be on the cards soon for his outstanding mediocrity, but depending on whether there might be room on the subs bench for him.
More updates to follow.............

Kevo


Is that supposed to be sarcasm? Pathetic!

K.Bennett


Kevo lad i would by Bramble for 45 million. surely you have go to have better banter than that. that should have been deleted by the eds. Tut Tut.

Mighty reds


 

 

25 Mar 2012 17:47:17
Eds,
who has initially brought up this "buy-young-british-talents" idea/ mentality?
FSG? Comolli? Dalglish?

{Ed002's Note - I don't know that such an idea exists. Sorry.}


 

 

25 Mar 2012 17:46:27
I have watched liverpool for over 50 years. I remember years ago when we conceded a corner we would leave a forward on the half way line, namely St John. Why don't we give it a try. Imagine leaving two forwards on the half way line, how many defenders would the opposition use to defend a breakaway. I think they would have three, two for close marking and one other behind them. If I am right, that takes 5 players out of the penalty area. What do you think guys ?


There's usually Suarez and / or Downing on the half way line at corners.
The Real KB


 

 

25 Mar 2012 17:38:18
Eds do u see us signing a 40mill type striker like higuain and a small price winger.and then that's it for the summer {Ed002's Note - No.}


 

 

25 Mar 2012 17:35:12
I love King Kenny, & it hurts when I see all these people having a go at him, but the reality is he has to take the blame, BUT don't get me wrong SHOW SOME RESPECT, HE IS A MAN WHO DEDICATED MOST OF HIS LIFE TO THE CLUB. Sacking him now won't solve the problem, wait till the season ends we still have FA cup to play for. Get Behind the team when the season ends I am sure he will walk away. or will be asked to step down by the owners if not then we 'll voice our concerns and ask him to step down he won't turn our requests nor he has done in the past nor 'll do in the future. What ever happens, what ever happened HE IS A F****NG LEGEND AND 'LL REMAIN TO BE FOR EVER.

For all the mess Kenny is in, is because of the big money crap signings, Carroll, Henderson, Adam and Downing he made.

When we look at the current situation Spearing (the lad works his socks off but sometimes that's not enough, may be he can have an very good game or two but in long run not good enough even to cover for Lucas, 9 in 2 win he started says it all) and Carragher (great servant his times up) not good enough,

For the summer, no matter what it will be good for both Kenny and the Club if Kenny resigns. I think who ever comes needs another reshuffle whether FSG does it or not this is MO. This time take lessons from Kenny's useless signings.

Possible out goings: Kuyt, Maxi, Aurelio, Doni,
Johnson (if there is anything we can do to keep him we should I am not too sure of Kelly and Flanagan, Kelly seems too injury prone and Flanagan has a hell lot to learn, very vulnerable).

Needs to go: Carragher (retire), Spearing, Adam.
Andy Carroll and Henderson (if a suitable offer comes if not ship them out on loan believe me that might not sound good to their confidence but since those two are massive investments made for the future going on loan a season BPL will help them mature and will be good for long run). Also a certain Danny Wilson should also go on loan in BPL.


* Stewart Downing for 20M he is crap but his stats doesn't tell the whole story I would keep him looking at his previous form pattern for next season another bump expected)

From the current squad, players who should remain: Suarez, Gerrard, Lucas, Agger, Skrtel, Reina, Shelvey, Bellamy, Kelly, Coates, Enrique, + Downing,
add to it youngsters who should get promoted for 1st team: Tony Silva, Robinson, Flanagan, Ngoo
& who would come in for cameos: Wisdom, Sterling
(needs to go on loan when he turns 18), Morgan, Sama, Adjoran

And for new arrivals 4 or 5 needed. A matured, accomplished goal scoring striker, a dynamic center midfielder, a natural right winger, a fullback (to replace Johnson & Aurelio), a decent backup goalkeeper to push Reina little bit so he will have some positive pressure on him to improve his form.

If Who ever takes over stays with the same players for next season with one or two additions I am sure we 'll struggle unless the man has some gutt and ruthlessness against these under performing players reminding them of their responsibilities and for what club they are playing for, instead of over protecting them, favouring them and playing some of them out of position to give them playing time.

Shankly's pet dogs great great grand dog Elisha


In light of all the negativity on this page that is very positive post!


 

 

25 Mar 2012 17:35:10
I hate seeing liverpool lose,But i dread these days the post match interview,Every excuse in the book other than the real truth...TIRED....come on...This was wigan,other teams destroy them,There was nothing there,tactics out the window,One way playing team these days,and all the prem know how to beat us,I know its KENNY,But unless he owns up to some of his rubbish buys and moves on,we'll be in the middle of the prem seesaw for years to come...


I remember one manager saying when Rafa was here, stop Alonso and you stop Liverpool, can't remember who it was though, Mick McCarthy rings a bell! Tbh, not sure Kenny knows his strongest team yet, as due to injuries and suspensions, he's had to chop and change! I still believe we are just 2/3 good players away from a good side and playing with confidence, worthy of top 3 at least!

Keith


 

 

25 Mar 2012 17:27:07
theres three options:

1. give kenny another 100mil and hope for the best.

2. sack comoli and give the job to rafa with fair bit of dollar to spend.

3.sack kk bring in new manager.

what you rekon guys??
bil


Come end of the season put a positive spin on Kennys second tenure then get him as far away from the football club as possible. Kenny should never have any input towards the squad ever again!

TIME TO GO


New man in


No. 3 is the right one.


Give him another year,move johnson to right wing and buy a goal poacher.

King luis


Continue with the project which was started by Owners, Comollli and Kenny in January 2010 when Kenny stepped in.

Look to Bilbao when you are looking for a reference. They masacared ManUtd but lie in 10th place with a cup final and Europa League quarter final to play. Of course they are 7 points off the 4th place with a game to play, but still the similarities are there.

Yes, the performances have been bad but Kenny is right when he says that players are tired. Its definitely not because of playing 3 games in 7 days but they have played an awful number of games this season.

We havent had a settled back 4 after Agger has been injured twice this season......Glen Johnson hasnt covered himself in glory getting injured so often....

The midfield is even worse affected with Lucas out for a long period and Gerrard, Adam and Spearing injured for various periods in the season.

Where I do think there is an issue is the forward line...
We simply have no imagination there? I am a firm believer that Kevin Kean is not contributing in that department and we must bring in someone who can give the attacking midfielders and the forward line FRESH IDEAS on how to apporach the attacking third and move the ball in the penalty box.....

But full scale changes like the 3 you have mentioned....NO WAY

LiverBird


PLEASE SHOW THE KING SOME RESPECT. Only manager to win something for us in six yrs mean anything. O sorry short memories.

mighty reds


Liver clown what have Bilbao got to do with us? We're miles away from that standard of football


Awful number of games? Not even been in Europe, next season should be a laugh!


 

 

25 Mar 2012 17:23:30
Eds just wondered your opinion about bringing someone like Alan hansen somewhere into the staff with dalglish and Clark I know he said it never interested him (even tho I think he would make a great manager) but think he could bring something extra to the team unlikely I know just wondered your opinion cheers

Mickleburg {Ed002's Note - If he is not interested then why would you want him? My preference generally falls in the camp of recruiting professionals at coaching roles rather interesting folks from history. How about bringing in Super Stevie Nicol as manager. And you can't forget Collymore.}


 

 

25 Mar 2012 17:17:37
We are now far enough into the season to judge the players brought in last summer (and the January before)

DOWNING- has contributed very little part from the goal against Stoke- no league goals and not much by way of contribution otherwise. For 20m we could have got a quality player from the continent

ADAM- can't run, cant take a penalty and cant cross a good ball. Definitely not a starter.

HENDERSON- he plays like a rabbit in the headlights- frightened to look forward and search for that killer ball, instead just playing it safe sideways all the time. Does not add anything to the team. Hope he was not considered as a long term replacement for Gerrard as he is clearly not up to it. We did not need to buy a midfielder as we were OK in that dept and with Shelvey looking a good prospect , this decision was baffling.

ENRIQUE- started off quite well but recently has proved to be a liability with questionable judgment. More good games than bad.

CARROLL- although started off very poor, has improved slightly more recently. However, it is apparent that he is not going to be the player KK and pundits like Shearer have stated that he would become.

KK and Comolli transfers have not had the desired outcome and the clear lesson to learn is this-
buying British players at inflated prices has not worked. If you want to compete next year and progress buy one or two quality players from abroad such as Soldado and promote others such as Shelvey, Sterling Ecclestone from the junior ranks.


 

 

25 Mar 2012 17:11:09
Bet Carroll wishes he was still at Newcastle !


Thats the problem. He does not want to be here.


So do we


Think that's part of it, but I think a larger part is he just doesn't have the determination required to reach his potential. In other words, he's lazy and doesn't want to make the effort required to go from mediocrity to stardom. The flip side is someone like Henderson who I think practices hard, has an abundance of skills, and will work to make it to that level even if he's not quite there yet.

RDL


Kk wishes he was still there


 

 

25 Mar 2012 17:06:22
It took man city 3 years and an outlay of £200m what makes you guys think that we can do it with an outlay of £80/90m and 1 year. We sold our top player who was underperforming at the time Torres which we got £50m for quickly spent on Carroll and Suarez so our summer signings are what we've spent on. The last time Torres had a good season we finished 2nd and we haven't lost our core players since, we the added more quality and potential to our squad some of those haven't worked as many transfers have in the past but we never replaced a top goalscorer as soon as we have one we will be a top side again we don't NEED a right winger we've created more chances than most including man u we have the 3/4 best defence in the league without Lucas (our player of the year last year) pretty much all season our team is to defensive to allow for the fact he is missing we have the lowest chance conversion rate in the league and have hit the post more than anyone else we are nearly there! carra needs to retire our defence has gone to pot since he's came back gerrard needs to take a step back and have the role carra has this year we played better football earlier in the season when he wasn't around and all those shouting for Connor coady clearly haven't been watching the reserves or nextgen games this season he bottled it for the penalty in the semi final and has little or no impact on the pitch accept the occasional rash tackle as for sterling he has fantastic potential but he hasn't had much of an impact he's not running games scoring loads of goals setting up loads with great crosses he's scored 7 this season but he is what we need pace!


 

 

25 Mar 2012 16:58:52
Just posted on the bbc website....

"Krul, Coloccini, S Taylor, Santon, Marveaux, Tioté, Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Ba and Papiss = £34.5m. Andy Carroll = £35m"


Bring on Alan Pedro


Is he mexican?


The reply to that should be
1. Expectation at Liverpool is not equal to expectation at Newcastle
2. Liverpool have not been relegated in the past 4 decades but Newcastle have been.

LiverBird


2012

LFC = 1 trophy - NUFC = 0 trophies


And my reply to that is that at least 5 would get in liverpools starting lineup


Newcastle have a far better starting XI at the fraction of the cost which must be embarrasing?

Yes I know, you've won the Carling Cup. Well done! So did Birmingham last year and look where they are now

Gav


Also, as I've said time and time again, you lot winning the carling cup is like being single for 6 years and bringing home Susan boyle


Winning nowt for a gazillion years means you are Susan Boyle.


 

 

25 Mar 2012 16:58:28
After the incredible season we are going through and having to deal with Kenny's post-match rubbishes without forgetting the high expectations that we were made to foster, I think Kenny has got it all wrong. be it team selection, tactics and above all, the signings including Carol, it's a season to forget and put behind as soon as possible. I personally think that the likes of Joe Cole, Pacheco, Raul Meireles and even Poulsen and Ngog would have done a better job than Kenny's expensive signings ( Adam, Henderson, Carol & Downing). May be that's just the frustration of watching this Lfc team performing below par each week. Every week, we hear that we are progressing and we have dominated this and that. but Mr Kenny, football is about scoring goals and at the end of the day, it's the score which counts and not stats. More depressing are the defeats to the likes of QPR, Wigan, Bolton to name a few. I'm just waiting for this season to be over. can't stand these horrific performances every time. else, I'll have to be put on Valium and some antidepressants.


I love watching KING KENNYS interviews and his wit towards the press. Its about time we had a football manager that cares for our club.

mighty reds


His interviews are an embarassment mate

They show him in a bad light


 

 

25 Mar 2012 16:52:41
United fan looking for honest opinions!
Haven't heard one comment from anyone on here saying how well Wigan played. Always thought Reds fans applauded away teams that play well whoever they are.
Wigan are fighting for their lives and teams in the bottom 6 can be a nightmare to play at this time of the season.
I think you need to be realistic, you have won a trophy this season albeit not the one you really wanted but it's a start.
You shouldn't think you have the devine right to beat teams just because of your history, you need to earn it.
Remember it took Sir Alex 3 years to win a trophy and 6 to win the league, unfortunately supporters just arn't as patient these days.
People telling Sir Alex to go after we lost 6-1 to City earlier in the season, just crazy.
Pick your chins up, do you not think Kenny loves the club as much as you all do, do you not think it doesn't upset him too?
Get a grip guys!!


Red Daz.


Well said! Just a shame when more sense is coming from our biggest enemies than our own fans.

MR EM


U are absolutely right dude, the way man utd supports sir alex we should too suport king kenny, it will take time and patience so please support him

redh0t


It's true , every suppporter goes back to their job on Monday morning , but Kenny Dalglish has to live with the result more than anyone , and he is the most qualified to remedy these things .

He has my trust and hopefully the Owners & boards .

Bear in mind there are nearly as many new people at LFC this season , as there are people from the previous regime .

Time & hard work will see us through .

Qwerty


Holy cow, i agree more with a comment from a Manc than half the s**te posted on here by supposed fans. Some people need to get a grip and learn a bit of patience. The play this season has been a huge improvement and we have been so unlucky in many many games. Rome wasn't built in a day. Raul, Masch and Torres no longer wanted to play for the shirt so no point harping on about them. We have a big injury list at the moment, our top defensive midfielder has missed most of the season, our 1 defender is out injured again, our first and second choice right backs are out injured, our underperforming scottish central midfielder is now out for the rest of the season.

Got to add how annoying the press are with the Dalglish has spent 100 million. No his net spend is a mere 20 to 30 million. Yeah we have some bad buys, but i could name some expensive flops for pretty much every team. For me the biggest disappointment is Adam and Henderson, Carroll is contributing more and more, and Downing is finally looking like a half decent buy. Adam just looks awful whilst i think JH could benefit with some time in the reserves. Jonjo Shelvey deserves as much chance as JH is getting. Was delighted to see young Sterling get some game time y'day, he created more in 12 mins than we had for most of the match.

ChrisE


Just shows their are decent Manutd fans out there after all!
Cheers

Lyndon


Credit goes to Wigan, and I'll say that most comments involving the game will of said that in the less underlying tone of vacancy from their post.

The only thing is, the Kop are more worried about the state of our own team at the minute to go around congratulating those who are putting us further in it.

- J, tHR


Thanks for the replies guys. As Qwerty says time and hard work and maybe a bit of luck here and there will see you through.
Get behind your team and manager. Although Liverpool are the enemy for me have always had respect for the club and how the fans got behind the team through thick and thin, this is when they need you most.
Do think you need some decent width in the team though, good spine lack something out wide.
Why not stick big andy in the league games until end of the season, no pressure on him and just let him play, what have u got to lose now.
Strikers need a run of games not being chopped and changed all the time.

Red Daz.


Red Daz when we said sack kenny means the oposition play well.


I am afraid I cant disagree with the original post.

Not only Liverpool FC, football in general has too many fairweather fans these days....They love the spectacle and the entertainment rather than the game of football.....

I am a big Benitez fan and will always be....He is a genius...But King Kenny has made Liverpool play a brand of football which is FANTASTIC..... We are creating 20 pluus chances in almost every game against every opposition(at least at Anfield)...Under Benitez the figure would be more like 10-12 chances every game...The matches involving Liverpool are so much fun these days even though we lose, still its a tribute to the way in which Kenny is asking our players to play....

For the ManUtd fan, I have to admit/applaud Roberto martinez to have the guts to play a back 3 in the EPL...If he succeed it will be phenomenon in a season in which he has shown that he can work in such a small budget.

LiverBird


Red Daz

As much has i hate Man Utd i actually respect your opinions very much. There is a fan element where everything has to be done yesterday or one or two results go against you and the world has ended. I am so proud to win the carling cup thus year especially after not winning anything for 6 yrs. My moto is if you have it why not flaunt it.

We all need to get behind Kenny and start supporting the club and just maybe results will get even better.

respect to you.

mighty reds


Well said Liverbird.
Fair-weather fans sums it up!

I'm as gutted as every other fan
But in weeks months years 99% will still be fans. The one percent will of moved on to their 3or4 club

Lyndon


 

 

25 Mar 2012 16:48:47
kennys buys;
henderson 15.6m rising to 20m
carroll 35m
suarez 23m
coates 7m
enrique 6m
doni free
adam 6m
bellamy free
downing 16m rising to 20m
total: 96.5 rising to 104.4m

so thats 9 new players who have got to learn to play together in one season and get fourth.add to that gerrards injuries and getting used to other squad mates.settling in to the area.lucas being out most of the season.suarez ban.now agger bellamy and johnson out.hitting the woodwork loads of times.its not been plain sailing for dalglish.for me they were all good signings.adams struggled since lucas injury as he has to track back which he cant.carroll is in the team for 2 games then dropped how can we judge him unless played every game.henderson has been played out of position on the right which we all know he cant do.doni hasnt even played but should now due to reinas poor form.enrique has been great but become complacent of late.downing has admitted hes struggled to adapt to a big club but has of late been in good form.bellamy has been good but not featured much due to injuries.coates has looked good and we got a bargain there. so for me the time to judge kenny is next season not now.weve got europe all be it europa league.kenny needs to learn to be more tactical and play his first 11 all the time.mark lawrenson said the team is still 5-6 players short of having a strong enough squad and we all know we need a right winger and another striker.below is the best starting 11 when fit:

-------------------reina----------------------
---johnson--skrtel----agger---enrique------
---------------lucas--adam----------------
--gerrard---------suarez------downing----
-------------------carroll---------------
bench:doni/coates/kelly/henderson/shelvey/kuyt/bellamy

come the summer replace maxi and kuyt with de jong and ramirez add matt phillips and use toni silva sterling suso adjoran more then we will be good.if kenny had that starting 11 and we were where we are then i would question his job.DORSET RED


Got numbers jumbled up ment 108.6 rising to 116.6m DORSET RED


If Rafa use that Much money in a year the CL foot next year for sure .


 

 

25 Mar 2012 16:47:18
I may be wrong but Ed006 has come accross as a right whimp in my eyes.

Won't post my comments on the Banter Page.

Scared of the truth whimpy

Jermain


After scrolling down the page and reading comments by ED006, he seems very sensible with his opinion on football and i think most fans should take note of his comments, so if he hasn't posted yours i'm geussing they was the same, moaning, slagging bulls**t that quite frankly is getting boring, even a Manc has posted a sensible comment, things are bad when Mancs are talking more sense about us than our own fans!

MR EM


 

 

25 Mar 2012 16:41:22
Liverpool needed a striker in January. Cisse was clearly available yet once agian we missed out. What on earth are KK and Comolli doing?


Kk aint allowed to spend any more money!


I take it he's scored today then!!
It was ba for 20mill not long ago hope he doesn't score to could go upto 25

Lyndon


Think cisse has been sent off , twice in the five games that he played , but knowing our luck , he scored in his game against us , and not a red card in site ,
redforever


 

 

25 Mar 2012 16:40:26
LOLOL! Just seen Woy throwing a hissy fit after seeing his side concede a 3rd goal! And some of you think he's better than Kenny! LOL Singred


 

 

25 Mar 2012 16:35:47
Steve Parker, I gave a response to your long winded post earlier and seem to have touched a nerve "try to write like what we do"! Oh! Dear poor response mate, it's an open forum unless i'm mistaken and if you post then expect a response. Sorry if the grammer school educated chap doesn't see eye to eye with the public school cricket captain pip pip what what! Maybe you should dumb down your posts in future and I may agree with your points! For what it's worth knowone is above criticism KD included, I just feel he isn't being given a fair crack of the whip by some people, if KD was a foreign manager who people hadn't really heard of then I don't think there would be so many fans calling for his head, they would give him time. So in a way the fact he is a living legend is working against him with some supporters, season ticket holder since 1984 Mr Parker just incase you were wondering so I can give my opinion too!

Waro


Your opinion is no better or worse than that of a real fan who has been with the club since 2009 or mine since 1961. My Eton education is not to be discussed by the likes of you anyway! Stop that working class warrior crap (I suspect the irony will be lost on him with that one ....)

Kenny Dalglish is a hero to you (and me) but not to every fan. I detest the idea of giving anyone respect in a manger's role purely on the strength of past glories or issues related to the club. We need a manager. BTW - I will not dumb down my posts for the likes of you. Ask a friend to translate.
SP


 

 

25 Mar 2012 16:35:04
HaHa HaHa...........All you Liverpool fans coming onto the Spurs page running your mouths when your 8 points behing Newcastle.

Yoo will never EVER be a top club again.

Oh Kenny.....We love you King Kenny.......

FOREVER IN UTD'S SHADOWS.

Jermain


We will always big a big club not like u just had 2 good seasons and u think ur a top team maybe u should check out ur trophy cabinet and then come on here and talk s**t.


U spurs act like your a big club. Ur not, face the facts. A few good seasons under Harry redclapp. Once he gets england job, u would be singing bye bye redknapp, bye bye champion league, welcome back maid table finnshes


And you will never be a top club cause you will always live in the shadows of your London rivals. And yes we do love Kenny, the greatest player in our history, history you will will never have


Fantastic!
He comes on to stick Liverpool then uses another team rather than his own

Think you proved yourself that your not a big team
CLASSIC muppet

Lyndon


You might not make top 4 sunshine! - also remember your allegiances... Why are you stating that we're in Utd's shadow when you support Spurs? Have to hide behind them as you have zero ammunition...

Ps - I think you'll find that Spurs will FOREVER be in Liverpools shadow..

Lee YNWA #5times


Don't be too nasty to him!

I think once upon a time along time ago
They won a European Trophy

Lyndon


I think you should be worrying about getting out of Arsenals shadow son! Didn't they beat you AGAIN the other day?!

Spurs LOL

K.Bennett


Ha Lyndon dont be too hasty their mate, Once upon a time you won a European Trophy as well. No wonder you are considered a 'muppet' by your own clubs fans.

(I'm aware Chelsea haven't won it mate, thanks)

Melbourne CFC


We don't live in shadows of any London club. No one lives in shadow of any of those. Only clubs that had the history for be a shadowed club are arsenal, manc united, and of course Liverpool.


Where are you Jermain you've gone abit
Quiet on use
Since you you made yourself look a t"y

Lyndon


Behave jermaine, As a spurs fan it's embarrassing when u sink to some of the nomarks that visit spurs page & we have our own problems at mo.
As for liverpool fans response climb down off tour pedestal & remember u were only a second divisuon club when spurs were first club to do double & first British club to win European trophy my point been what relevance has history for to dowith what happens now. Through out history teams have had a golden period Preston shef wed were once super powers of English game.
Lvpool had a golden period btween 74 & 90 just like utd are having now which will end one day as its swings & roundabout's so all this talk of forever in shadows is codswallop & the talk of fans who suffer from Stockholm syndrome when it comes to rationally talking about there relevance in how there club is percieved in the hear & now.
Will lvpool get back to where they once were It's ridiculous to say they can't or never will, my own personal opinion the real problem in lvpool team is centre midfield & I think 2 players that would transform them is banega & khedira add in Lucas gerrard wide right suarez left & bellamy up top they'd b a threat.
Espur


I don't consider Lyndon a muppet. I like his posts, he writes how a real banterer should write.


The posts that I can decipher of his, I genuinely find amusing aswell. It was not me that inniated the 'muppet' tag. Just scroll down. Its everywhere.

Melbourne CFC


Cheers for that I now count you as my Best friend.
Along with Melbourne " I can't support a team in my own country" CFC

Lyndon


Lyndon im going to change the stance I had just taken, you are in fact a muppet.

It's like driving lessons for the blind with you mate, a waste of f*cken time. But in fairness your currently going through a tough time, not only is your club in tatters but Man Utd supporters are feeling that bad for you they posting words of encouragement. Although you'd have to be pretty daft not to see the reasons behind them telling you to stick with the Queen.

Melbourne CFC


Ya Cheeky Monkey! Melbourne CFC
When we sent you lot downunder you couldnt even tie you own shoe laces never mind write!!

Lyndon


I know Melbourne CFC.
How about Aussie Rules Football
Even you could score in that you get 3 goals to score between!!
Or your post on the "Liverpool" pages and not your own little club might be explained by a tragic head injury by playing it

Yours sincerely
Lyndon the Muppet


When you say you sent 'us' lot you are referring to the Bristish yes?

Just fortunate the velcrow shoe came along pal. If i was a gambling man Id say that little invention came from your side of the pond.

Melbourne CFC


Ahhh now im not surprised you'd be worried to play a contact sport Gonzo. Do they have any over their?

An event would explain my presence here mate. Ill give you a clue; its starts with QPR away 2-0 with 10 to go and finishes with the lactics destroy the kop. Not really tradgic.

Melbourne CFC


Ok not sent. Sentenced you to live there!!

Lyndon


By the way "Bruce" it's Velcro not velcrow
Told ya about the writing thing!!

All the Best
Lyndon The Muppet


I take it shoelaces weren't your fortay either than Gonzo?

That is twice in a week i've been pulled up for spelling on here. You guys use to be able to defend yourselves through results. It really has been a tough few years.

Haha sentenced! Only you intellects would think living in the land of sun and beaches (we have sand leading up to the water) would be a sentence. (Like real proper sand) But hey I might have choosen government housing if I had a choice... bloody pr*cks didn't give us a say in the matter.

Long Live the Queen (not Kenny, your other Queen)

Melbourne CFC


Ya we have one or two
Rugby union which I think we beat you in the 2005 world cup final then 2009 QF and even the last time we played you!

Sadly we've never beaten you at the world Didgeridoo championships yet!!

Lyndon


All the best Top Bantering!!

Lyndon


Ha well as convient as it is, the old mans a kiwi and raised us on the all blacks mate. I was cheering for the poms against the Aussies. Although you cant really say you beat them at Rugby Union. You just had some bloke who could kick the hep c out of pam anderson.

Its quite sad about the didgeridoo championships actually. Im surprised you haven't taken it out yet, after what you did 200 years ago there is no contestants left of real Australia heritage.

Try not to let the footy get you down to much mate, you gotta be getting close to rock bottom.
Melbourne CFC


 

 

25 Mar 2012 16:34:22
Eds, just out of curiosity, why did we sign Andy Carroll? I'm not slating the guy, just a question.

I understand that we were selling Torres at the last minute, but why the rush? Suarez was pretty much in the bag at that point and the season was written off by Christmas. So why the need to gamble £35m on a half-season wonder who was currently injured and has history of drinking and violence?

I do really hope he comes good though!
Cheers,

Stone YNWA.

{Ed006's Note - Good point, well made, I don't know why we signed him only the club know that. What I do know is that our win percentage with Carroll in the team is 86% and without him is 36%, also our last 7 games without Carroll are DDLLLLL and with him are WWWDWWW...}


Hi Stone.
I often ask myself that question, it is truly a mystery.
Panic buy maybe!
Investment maybe!

Its just not clear, certainly better players could have been had for far less money.

Unfortunately, this will always be the issue that 'defines' KK managerial reign, which is sad really!.


Lies, damn lies and statistics

Chris in Tamworth {Ed002's Note -


My guess is that we made our move because Tottenham were supposedly making big bids, and we didn't want to miss out on the then best up and coming striker in England.

RedSG


Ed002?

Chris in Tamworth {Ed002's Note - Chris in Tamworth?}


Like ed006 says our win percentage with him in the team is 86% compared to 36% without him the lad should clearly be starting games
mrbrown


Was wondering what the Ed002s note- was?

Chris in Tamworth {Ed002's Note - It was written in code Chris - using invisible ink.}


 

 

25 Mar 2012 16:33:41
Kenny-it will take hell lot of a player to improve the squad.

Kenny-downing is better then what we thought.
(downing 0 assist,0 goal in EPL)

Cammoli( after signing henderson)- he was our first choice,we feel great to get our first choice player.(we can't even discuss his stats because there is nothing to discuss)

Kenny-our season just can't be judged on points in league other things also matter(like kit deals).

Kenny-check your inteligence if you think we are having bad season.

We are already behind in terms of points to top place to what difference we finished last season and there are still 8 games to go.
Red indian
Ps-is it not funny shelvy looked more inventive then hendo whole season in 15 minutes on pitch..it is funny when you consider the price we paid for him..now bring the abuses kenny fans.


Think shelvy is a far better player than adam or hendo , so why is he not getting more game time , and sterling is def a star in the making .
redforever


I think Kenny has a problem with Jonjo's attitude!


@I think Kenny has a problem with Jonjo's attitude!

I agree - Shelvey has a swagger and an arrogance about him. He clearly believes in his own ability and thinks he should be in the team. Personally, I agree - he has loads of potential, he has been dropped after good performances and can be a class apart someday.

That Kenny prefers to play people who are just going through the motions is just another maddening reason why we are doing so poorly.

To see Shelvey demanding the ball and trying to get us back in the game once he came on against Wigan was very impressive. The senior players seemed to hide - no-one took responsibilty.

Did Kenny see it that way though? He may well have thought Shelvey was being arrogant.

Shelvey knows he is better than Adam or Hendo - he is better tbh. His faith in the manager's judge of what makes a good player must surely be waning. The same goes for Coates, Wilson, Kelly - and any other defender that Carra is selected ahead of.

As for the other players - I don't think they will appreciate being dropped when finally playing well - or being played out of position - Kenny acknowledged this himself - yet he insists on doing it.

All is not well. I actually think Kenny has already lost the players.

Can anyone think of any senior players praising Dalglish recently? Saying something in his defence? Anything positive at all?

If you can't, there may be a good reason for that.

The talk of the 'smiles on faces' at training seem to have dried up too.

BJH YNWA. (I'm not sh*t-stirring, just some observations)


 

 

25 Mar 2012 16:33:05
Kenny really needs to start taking a look at himself and his signings and admit he made a mistake, but I am NOT calling for his head just yet. I will make my judgement at the end of the season. But until he admits his mistakes I think his stubborness will only hold us back. His mistakes are not only with signings but with the media aswell. It seems everytime he does an interview he's being too defensive and lowering his reputation. I think senior players like Gerrard and Carragher should take some of the blame because we are so used to saying how bad the new signings are and forgetting how poor some of Stevie's have been. I think the cup runs are the only things keeping him in charge. We have to remember the things Kenny has done for this club and show a bit more respect.

{Ed006's Note - Imagine, you have just signed for Liverpool in the summer, your manager comes out and said it was a mistake to sign you, your not going to be doing backflips are you!}


We would have tried harder though sometimes being told you are not very good leads to vast improvements


I agree we should only judge liverpool on next season.we where never going to achieve instant success we need a cpl of additions to the team in the summer abit fine tuning if you like.in kenny we all should trust he will get it right,ynwa
mrbrown


 

 

25 Mar 2012 16:32:47
FACTS
* LOOK AT THE POINTS TALLY
*LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF WINS
*LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF GOALS SCORED
* LOOK AT THE TRANSFER MONEY SPENT
* LOOK AT THE OFF FIELD CONTROVERSY

Kenny has been an EPIC FAILURE!

TIME TO GO

{Ed006's Note - Look at the trophy, look that we are still in the FA Cup, look at the style of football we play and look how much passion Kenny has over Rafa or Roy... Next season will be completly different in terms of wins. In my opinion we bought too many signings in the summer and they have taken very long to even begin to gel. Downing seems to be growing in confidence etc. Be patient out time will come.}


Every player KK has brought has been a waste of money Ed, what is there to look forward to? More of the same s**te buys in the summer


Look at what Kenny did at Newcastle and at Celtic! His excuces sound as bizzare as Roy or Rafa! His signings have moved us backwards. The performance in the Carling Cup was shocking. If Kenny is allowed to stay as manager beyond May he will cripple the football club. His record in the league is now worse than Roy. If Roy deserved the sack then so does Kenny! Now I would give him to the end of the season but then he should move on. The man cannot take LFC back to the top anyone who believes he can is deluded. Simply put its......

TIME TO GO


Ed006 i am wid u mate, these people here they dont have the capacity to look at the bright side, we won our first cup in 6 years, my goodness had we been 4th and had we not won a cup we would have asked for king kenny head anyway, common boys lets support him its his first season as a manager, for me he is a perfect man wid the passion for the club

redh0t


How many games have we had our 1st eleven this season? Give it time it ain't a sprint, we need to build for a future


Well said ed006 on all of the posts am pleased sumbody thinks the same, not these no namers who ram on.nxt season was always the intented target i believe
mrbrown


Look at the style of football we play and look how much passion Kenny has over Rafa or Roy... Next season will be "completly different in terms of wins. In my opinion we bought too many signings in the summer and they have taken very long to even begin to gel. Downing seems to be growing in confidence etc. Be patient out time will come"

Jesus! this is the same s**t we keep saying every year!!!! Tell your boss it's going to take you 5 months to settle into your job and he'll show you the way to the Job Centre.


 

 

25 Mar 2012 16:25:28
WBA 2 - 0 down. Roy will be rubbing his face soon. Maybe Kenny should be doing it too!

Seriously, Pardew has done a great job. It was good to see 2 centre forwards (Ba and Cisse) getting into the box trying to get on the end of a cross from someone (Ben Arfa) who actually looked up and picked them out. It was a certainty that one of them would get a foot on it and score. Carroll and Downing take note - that's what you have to do to score goals!

redmersey


 

 

25 Mar 2012 16:25:11
Alan Pardew done a fantastic job in New Castle . He can be The Next man For Liverpool ?

A-R


F":k me!
I guess their winning today!

Lyndon


Here we go again, throwing names around as people who can save us based on 6 months of form (that's how we ended up with Carroll and Adam by the way)

Chris in Tamworth


Good manager but not a manager for a top club.


Compared to signing a manager based on some form 20 years ago? Now that my friend is how you ended up with Carroll and Adam.

Melbourne CFC


Melbourne CFC back again!
Must be lonely on the Chelsea pages

Lyndon


Good manager with very little budget. if he get good amount of money to spend then sure he do well.


Not to quiet over there Lyndon mate, just as I posted yesterday this place cures depression after a sh*t result. I'm refering to a draw at home to the team in 4th when I say sh*t result, I know it means alot worse when you say it.

Melbourne CFC


So you Think Pardew as anything to do with Transfers at a club owned by Mike Ashley!!

Lyndon


I don't mind an fellow Red calling me what ever if he or she doesn't agree with my opinion.
When he could Support Melbourne storm or a team from that dodgy Australian rules game. But instead Glory hunts a team 12000 miles away.
Long after The Russians gone we'll all be supporting Liverpool will you Chelsea

Lyndon UK {Ed002's Note - I editedrather than deleted the post - I appreciate it is banter but try to avoid use of xenophobic stereotyping.}


Agghh another Lyndon, another waste. Mate I have supported Chelsea since, the 1997 season (23yo next week). When Wisey was captain and Zola was banging them in for fun. You should remember the year, he single handedly sent you packing from the Cup.

I do also support Melbourne Storm, the Melbourne Rebels and surprisingly the Melbourne Demons. They call it the sporting capital of the world.

Now if you know anything about Australian Football (i try and stay clear) you will notice I didn't say I support the Melbourne Victory or Melbourne Heart. This is because the standard is pretty poor. Instead I support a team in the best league in the world.

I didn't make Roman buy the club, chuffed that he did, but have little impact on his business decisions. If your on this page regurarly Lyndon you would realise a whole lot of the people that post on your site, that support your team live in Australia. My personnal favourite would be Cozinoz. I take it you are directing you ignorance towards them aswell?

So next time you wanna have a crack at where I live, remember if it wasn't for your country being over-run with theives and crooks, your overcrowded jails wouldn't have been shoved on a boat to steal land of the aboriginals that lived quiet peacefully to be honest before the whites got here.

Melbourne CFC


Sorry Ed Melbourne CFC. Only banter sure he knows I mean little of what i say really
Just having a laugh.
Which I hope he is to

Lyndon


I have a 6yr old son who now Supports Chelsea since Torres left.

We try to get and see him in the children's home at least once a week if
theirs nothing too good on the Telly

Lyndon


All in good fun mate, me and coz have had some posts removed but for me its never meant as abuse, just a gentle ribbing. Id expect the same if Chelsea was in your shoes.

Its funny how people say your kids will become smarter than you before they hit 5. Tell your boy uncle Melbourne is very proud.

Melbourne CFC


I'll be back at ya Soon Melbourne CFC

Lyndon


 

 

25 Mar 2012 16:24:24
i think we have to look to the future with our heads not our hearts .
the slide we are in needs stopping and quick because we might find ourselves becoming a new villa or maybe a leeds utd if we dont act .
our midfield lacks a dynamic edge we invite teams onto us . our strikers dont score as much as they should do.
kd is one of my boyhood hero's but i am wondering if he can move us forward me myself i think not.
our present predicament effects our future revenue and attracting class players to us a rapid change may be needed or failing that a new season change remember no individual is bigger than the club. so shoot me thanks for reading mal


'Look to the future with our heads not our heads'
Are those calling for Kenny to be sacked looking at the future with their heads? No, because if they look through their heads, they will realise that a winning team takes time to build, not in 9 months. Ask yourself: which manager can achieve what you're demanding in his first season with 7 new signings, when all the other top teams have been building and investing heavily in their squads. Get real people: it's no longer a big 4, its a big 6. Singred


 

 

25 Mar 2012 16:12:02
Let's be honest guys we don't like see liverpool lose but I think Kenny is gonna put on some young players for the remainder of the season(apart from Chelsea) Just to see how the young lads do next season the likes of eccleston,raheem,henderson,shelvey,...
But we have to stay positive we already have European football so why not put them on


Even with young bloods we will still trash chelski


 

 

25 Mar 2012 16:11:09
If coming in 7th in the league means getting the sack for the manager despite winning a cup and on the cusp of a second, I reckon Fergie and Wenger would have been killed a hundred times o'er! With 'fans' like you people who can't wait to get on the back of the manager as soon as results don't go our way, who would want to take over this poisoned chalice? Singred


Wenger will never be sacked because of how much money he makes the club.


You know I'm in agreement wit that.
I would have thought that, when FSG gave Kenny and his management team a 3 year contract, there was a 3 year plan to match.
Some want to pull out now.
It changes week by week these days mate. Fans want their say and demand the managers' heads.
If this type of fan power was listened to by owner, Wenger, Steve Kean, Ferguson...in fact, almost every manger in the Prem would have been changed by now.
After matches where Liverpool has dropped points, this forum becomes a written version of FiveLive 606 and similar phone-ins.
It is instant-ism, short-term-ism and reaction-ism gone mad.
The Real KB


Singred,
I dont want Kenny sacked, but if you want to preach, then you should get your facts right, Arsene won the league and FA cup double in his second season, finished 3rd in his first under him Arsenal always finished top 4, all that without spending huge amount of money.
I can only speak for myself, I would nt have minded the looses to QPR and Wigan on the trot , even loosing 5 out of 6 if these were isolated , but combine it with the points that should n't have been dropped early on and you should realise something is very wrong, there are no signs of progress, even 7th place is at risk now.
We are Liverpool , we are not cup club like Birmingham.
Roy


Thank you Roy. Your point about Wenger was right. But have you considered that he already had the foundations of a very settled team when he took over? Contrast to Kenny: our squad was already weakened, add to that 7 new signings, and you'll see the mountain he has to climb. Think about that. Singred


As long as Kenny is with is we can win the Eurovision Song Contest The Real KB and he need just £346,000,000,000,000 ,000,000,000,000,000 more to buy Darren Bent and Defoe and then we'll make the top four will we?


 

 

25 Mar 2012 16:06:00
I posted on here about 3 months ago that i have heard that jose "the special one" mourinho would consider a move to liverpool ar end of season. I also stated that i would love it to happen. . . I got slated! Got lots of stick for not being loyal to kk.
Would just like to know how many would love that to happen now. Believe for yes. Unbelieveable for no.
Jayo


Like all you want but Mourinho won't go near Liverpool


 

 

25 Mar 2012 16:01:51
A lot of you are using the excuse that we gave foreign managers, such as Rafa, time and that we should give KK the same to prove himself, and are claiming that by calling for his resignation we are being hypocrites. Well there is a big difference. Under Rafa we were still given the impression/belief that we could win the league. We qualified for CL. No one was complaining when we got rid of Roy, which was right to do. And even under him we never lost 5 out of 6 league games in a row. And Kenny can have no excuses. He was pretty much given a blank checkbook. He went and chose to buy useless British talent, and it has failed. He will always be a legend, but his tactics arent working and we need to look elsewhere. Blind loyalty will get us nowhere. I do not believe we should get rid of him now. CL is almost out of the question so no one else can make a difference at this point. But I believe he should resign at the end of the season.

Disappointed Red


Alex Ferguson was given 5 years at Old Trafford, and he still nearly failed. Kenny knows how long he has, if we are in the same position this time next year, then questions will be asked.

Sooty


Sorry, I liked Rafa but I was never once convinced he could win us the league.

Chris in Tamworth


Rafa finished 7th in his 1st season, so were were the signs we would be challenging for the league there? We won the European Cup i'm sure you will say, but your talking about the league. End of.

Waro


Ill concede that point Chris, but I was still more convinced than I am now. But Rafa never went on a shopping spree like KK did, nor did Ferguson. I really want him to succeed, but after 20 years of waiting, and watching us in our worst league form in I cant remember how long, Ive lost my patience.

Disappointed Red


Raga finished 5th in his first season not that it mattered in the end champo league and all taht


Waro there's one cup i put on par if not more valuable than the league title and that's the European cup! Did you really think that we'd win it in 05? no! was you estatic when we did? yes!


 

 

25 Mar 2012 15:56:47
guys how many of you want rafa back i think if he had 100 million he would surley have bought world class players not over paid england players reds for life come on liverpool:)


The players we bought, were meant to have got us into the top 4 and then we were going to kick on this summer with better signings! With injuries and suspensions to key players, that didn't happen! Enrique, Coates and Suarez for starters, are not British players, not forgetting Doni who has hardly played for us.

Keith


LOLOL I remember he tried to sell Alonso to buy Barry! Singred


No he'd of over paid for Foreign Players!


You tit he was told to sell alonso to make money for the debt from H&G he was told to buy a replacment at a lowest amount than he was to sell alonso for


 

 

25 Mar 2012 15:54:07
As of right now I still believe KK is the right man. I will be happy if we finish 5th or 6th, and do cup double (for this season). His signings like Adam and Downing have no where near performed like they did for previous clubs. I still believe Henderson can improve (although he shouldn't be getting as much playing time as he is getting right now, considering we have other youngsters like shelvey) Andy Carroll was a big big risk that shouldn't have been taken.

But people need to think hard about getting a new manager. If KK is getting treated this way then someone new will be crucified after couple of bad runs. Saying this, If our bad run of form continues till the end of the season, then we might have to look at the alternatives.

Tekneek


 

 

25 Mar 2012 15:52:05
Liverpool were abysmal against Wigan. It's like the last 15 minutes of the QPR Game just infected the players like a cold.

I wouldn't be surprised if Kenny went back to his old role in the Summer. Don't get me wrong, I don't want him to go anywhere, (except of course maybe a few spots up the league) but I can't help but think that this whole 'project' of FSG with the youth and all would only be clearer should a manager like Andre Villas-Boas be put in charge.

I like AVB as a manager, and I still think that the only reason he didn't get anything from Chelsea is that Power Player is SO evident in the Chelsea Locker-room. I don't think we'd have an issue at all if he came, except maybe a few skeptics around Anfield. Plus, let's not forget, when the Chelski boys decided to get their heads down under him, his tactics made them play beautifully.

I still believe in Kenny, as will I with everyone at Liverpool Football Club (Except Downing, I am very close to losing my rag with him), although I don't think I'd be worried if AVB was announced as the new manager for next season.

- Jack, the Hybrid Red.


I would! Singred


AVB in liverpool not in a million years to come, i wont prefer a chelski fail here


redh0t


 

 

25 Mar 2012 15:51:58
EDs, to stop all the useless banter from'no namers' why not have a simple registration system.

Personally i would be happy to pay a 'membership' fee for this site. By having a members only section it would cut out a lot of useless banter, that is clogging the site up.

the EDS do a brilliant job and keep us all entertained, the least we can do is chip in with a small memership fee to pay for their xmas do !

Count me in for a tenner as soon as you get it going, its only a small amount of my pension, and I can do without cream cakes for a month, honest !

Tel 1949 {Ed002's Note - It comes up now and again Tel. I will pass on your thoughts.}


 

 

25 Mar 2012 15:50:32
IF King Kenny was to be sacked, moved upstairs, removed as manager. Who would people want to replace him with?

RedSG


F.Raiijkard , Alan Pardew, Martin o Nil , J.Kolp , J.Low, Rafa .


Frank Rijkaard


Michael laudrup has already been offered the job.


I would recommend recommend RedSG since it seems he is aware of what are the neeeds of the team

LiverBird


 

 

25 Mar 2012 15:49:06
Do u think rafa would jump to the job if kenny leave I think avb would do us great


I thought that aswell. I think AVB would be perfect.


 

 

25 Mar 2012 15:35:01
To any of the eds a couple of questions! Now sterling has had a taste of first team do you believe we may see a few more youngsters get a taste? Suso? Morgan? Or any others? The chance of fourth has all but gone so maybe a good opportunity to see how they cope! The second question maybe upsetting for you guys cos I'm sure your sick of hearing similar questions, but between the eds where does the majority of opinion lay with kk and Suarez! How many believe kk will go and same for Suarez? {Ed002's Note - I expect that there will be an occasional cameo of a youngster or two regardless of what Dalglish said. The Eds do not poll opinions on such matters.}


There are chance to test young star in the season . but so far no one been tested by kenny. then no point to have such a young talent in academy. My friend Arsenal fan he say if Liverpool Academy is under A.Wenger then sure at least 2 of them playing regular 11 for Arsenal.

A-R


 

 

25 Mar 2012 15:33:21
We're an average team going through a really poor patch. That this poor run coincides with the return of Carra is no coincidence.

Carra's lack of pace means that the defence are at least 10 yards further back than they were when Agger was playing, this leads to midfield dropping deeper with the inevitable result that the strikers are isolated. This wouldn't be a huge problem if we were blessed with blistering pace and could counter attack but, without Bellers we don't have that pace. When we were winning everything goals would be scored because there were players in or around the box to pick up half chances and scraps. By lying so deep and lacking pace the strikers are isolated. This is why Carra should have played his last game for the red. He's been a great servant but Kenny needs to tell him that he's finished.

We lost to QPR and Wigan for because they wanted it more. It pains me to say it but there was more riding on the game for them than us and some of our players dropped their performance by a few percent and that's all it takes. This comes down to management, it's the manager's job to motivate the team and send them out ready to beat anyone because we're Liverpool and every game is important. I can't help think that there are some players dreaming of Wembley again and saving themselves for the semi final. Kenny should drop the under performing "superstars" and replace them with the young and the hungry. Coates, Flanno, Jack Robinson, Eccleston and of course Sterling.

On this form and with the current first team we're more likely to finish closer to the bottom of the table than the top.


Id start with the keeper he has be very poor i think he wants to leave but wont ask for a transfer because of what happened over torres


Our defense has been a shambles since Carragher took over for Agger.

We need to play Coates and Skirtl. Even Kelly if need be (he is not a full-back).


 

 

25 Mar 2012 15:26:44
if the season started at the start of the year we would be 18th. thats not good enough for us.i know at the stat of the season we hit the post.
the only good thing about yesterday was that sterling played. go to the lfc website and when i votd for MOTM for us i had a to chose between sterling and suarez i chose sterling and hes got like 29% of votes and only played 10 mins.that shows how well we played.at least he wanted the ball and wanted to win.
Shanio1


 

 

25 Mar 2012 15:18:29
LFC Transfers 2012/13:

In:
Kevin Strootman > Jay Spearing
Marko Marin > Maxi Rodriguez
Roberto Soldado > Dirk Kuyt
=£40m

Out:
Doni,Jones,Darby,Wilson,Aurelio,Amoo,
Maxi,Cole,Spearing,Aquilani,Pacheco,
Eccleston,Kuyt
=£25m

LFC New Squad 2012/13:

                      Reina
      Johnson-Skrtel-Agger-Enrique
              Lucas-Strootman
          Suarez-Gerrard-Marin
                     Soldado                     

Carragher,Coates,Kelly,Downing,Adam,
Henderson,Bellamy,Carroll

Flanagan,Wisdom,Sama,Robinson,Silva,Sterling,
Shelvey,Coady,Suso,Morgan

Dano


St transfer is change Kenny then think about next.


 

 

25 Mar 2012 15:16:52
90% of the kenny haters are no name's if you feel so strongly about kenny why not be brave and leave your name or are you COWARDS?
A man who is a master of patience is master of everything else.
k-h


There are no "Kenny haters". Only people who are concerned about what is happening and do not believe any former player has some divine right to manage the club.

The club is bigger than any individual.


 

 

25 Mar 2012 14:49:03
Can i just put my opinion on recent results and comments made on here. I gave the sight a swerve yesterday to gather my thoughts on the situation we find ourselves in, and then make a cool headed judgement.
1 IS KENNY THE RIGHT MAN FOR THE JOB
I honestly feel that Kenny WAS the right man when he took the helm. We are not an attractive proposition for top players or managers now, let alone when he took charge. Has everyone forgotten how awful we were under Benitez (his last season) and Hodgson. In fact i'd go as far to say that i hated our style under Benitez his whole rein. We were the most boring team ever yet we persevered because it looked like he was taking us places. Kenny DID change the whole outlook of club and we have played some brilliant football but does seem to have become stubborn. At the end of last season with nothing to play for he gave everyone a chance but i think he's being too stubborn and we're carrying passengers in team, not going into individually naming players, because we all got our own opinion. His biggest mistake is team selection. To me he has saved us but i feel he will move upstairs at the end of the season. In the mean time he does nt deserve the vitriol spouted on here. None of us are happy and neither is he.
2 FANS MOANING THAT PLAYERS ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH AND WE NEED ANOTHER OVERHAUL.
Get real fellow reds. The players we have were top players that have nt worked out. We are a mid table team at the present, there's no getting away from the fact. Yes we all had expectations to challenge or qualify for champions league, but in hindsight thats unfair on Kenny. If i remember rightly last year we were relegation material, until Kenny took over. Do you really think we can attract the likes of Xabi, Masch, Torres or players of that ilk back. Even if we pretend we could afford it. We do need tweaking and im sure a few players will be leaving but we are not Champions of Europe or league challengers still, nor have we been for few seasons so i think the expectation is laughable.

We are rebuilding bit by bit and we could be in similar position for the next few seasons. Am i happy? No. Could we do better? Yes. The reality is its not going to happen overnight. And whether Kenny goes or not NO MANAGER in the world can come in and get us back to glory days over night.
1 cup win already PROGRESSION
Semi's of FA Cup PROGRESSION
Mid table to 6th position PROGRESSION

Lets just all stay as one til the seasons over. We as a club have had enough bad times and shysters who have run us down. Its behind us. The sooner we become one again the sooner we become a club and force again.

Sorry for the Essay, just had to get it off my chest

Taffytel


How is mid table progression you muppet


Mid table to 6th to mid table ;)
Shanio1


Where was we when Kenny took over muppet?? Relegation material. Granted we put an excellent run on towards the end of last season and that got us excited. Think about it logically. Knobhead.


We were a team in the relegation zone after Hodgson. I'll take getting closer each season bit by bit, rather than all you fans who want it yesterday.

Taffytel


I agree totally with your assesment of Rafa Benitez's football and why we were content with it .

Also , we simply cannot afford a new project like Chelsea or Man City every time the going gets tough .

In my opinion , Kenny Dalglish is the right man for now and I hope he gets to atleast fulfil his 3 year contract .

Only time will tell I suppose , but rather Dalglish than someone who is yet to set foot in Liverpool (only my opinion of course) .

p.s pity after all the reflection/deliberation you put in before penning your article , that you get called a muppet in the first reply ... ah well .

Qwerty


Great initial post, I would be happy with small progress every season. In an ideal world Kenny would prefer to do things slowly, but we were in sh!t when Roy left and things had to change quickly. Kenny done that and stabilised us. we were great at the end of the season, but he changed too much too soon so there was always going to be a "going backwards". I am convinced we will be ok. Having a full summer of pre-season will work wonders for them. Please be patient it will come right.

Sooty


 

 

25 Mar 2012 14:41:06
Kenny is by far the best man for the job and if he was to go i am afraid it will put Liverpool back another 3 or 4 yrs. So be careful what you wish for.

Some disrespectful fans have obviously got personal grievances and let them get in the way for the club to progress. Priceless.

Mighty reds


Kenny is by far the worst manager in the Prem he is deluded has the worst tactics,buys the worst players then he blames everyone but himself SACK HIM NOW


Kenny or roy i think roy might just be better :(
Shanio1


Shanio 'roy might just be better' OMG where were you this time last year?! Singred


 

 

25 Mar 2012 14:14:36
i said it before we need a manager who can play good football and has an eye for good talent on a small budget norwich swanaea come to mind can you imagine if a so called manager had 30 million what he would bring in


 

 

25 Mar 2012 14:12:51
Sterling went past more players in 5 mins than downing has all season

Ghandi Floss


 

 

25 Mar 2012 14:04:24
Why don't you? you all know who you are? If you are so certain that your right? Make yourself a banner
with " Daglish Out" and turn up at the next home game against Villa: See if the real supporters agree? If that's what you really believe? do it!
No you won't though will you? Che*pbags!
Real supporters would eat yer!
kidmillions


Kidmillions has always been deluded i think he might be kenny's love child


They wouldn't know how to get to Liverpool let alone Anfield


You wouldn't know how to sign your post so you aint no better


Good shout kidmillions.

Ozone


Hit the nail on the head Kidmillions, all t****rs, they wouldn't be eaten alive at the ground because most of them haven't been to the ground.

Sooty


No! Maybe he just has a bit more respect for the Man.

Give it a try


Yeh - as long as Kenny gets lots of respect we can drop down the league and still turn up to pay good money eh? Get real!


Turning up at the Nuremberg rally with a 'Hitler Out' banner probably wouldn't be a wise either.

No doubt the 'real supporters' would eat you.

That doesn't mean that your views on the issue were simply wrong though.

I don't believe LFC condone threatening behaviour either.

Rabble like you who would threaten to 'eat yer alive', bring shame to this great institution.

Get a mind of your own. God this guy has nothing constructive to say ever, does he.

BJH YNWA.


 

 

25 Mar 2012 14:00:37
So John Henry you like stats well here are some

1. Worst conversion rate in the PL
2.Worst points return for money spent in the PL
3.Worst league form for for 60 years
3.Lowest win percentage of any Liverpool manager after the PL began.
4. Downing 0 goals 0 assists in PL
5.Kenny has spent more money then any other liverpool manager in the ammount of time he has been at the helm.
6.Kenny broke the UK transfer record for an english player and he has been useless.

Time for a change i think.


Downing scored last week


If all of them stats are the same next year then kenny must go but i doubt that. give him time
derryred


Here's a stat for ya...folk who come on here 'giving it all that' rarely sign their posts. Reveal yourself & debate with us.

dd


Downing scored in the FA cup not PL if you dont know that then dont reply


I think John W Henry will be focussing on the positives - like we all should be .

Qwerty


Downing never scored in the PL


And yet again you don't sign your post....to$$er,

Sooty


What positives??


The owners will focussing on the facts not the positives which are infact quite few
ted


 

 

25 Mar 2012 13:48:04
Qwerty

you are deluded you carry on wearing your rose tinted glases yeah mate. You would want kenny as manager if we ended up in the championship maybe we will as they are the type of players kenny has got us.


Kenny Dalglish is doing a good job - bring on next season as Cup double winners and a much more competitive outfit .

Qwerty


Eds how comes yestaday a posted and today replied to this yet neither got posted have i said sumthing wrong in it,i was merely suggesting tht the we liverpool are no worse of than fergies first season
mrbrown {Ed002's Note - I have no idea. Obviously it would just be deleted if it were offensive or palpable nonsense.}


 

 

25 Mar 2012 13:42:31
Eds please give me an answer,
I am so desperate.
I have read the comments on the game the from Dalglish.
"Tiredness took it's toll" this is ridiculous.
What is he saying? Has he already give up on that team and the players?
This can't be his severity...
Eds, please give me your honest opinion what do you think about this comments? {Ed002's Note - I would think it is an interview best forgotten - the comments about tiredness, the disallowed goal and Sterling all seem inappropriate replies.}


Agree with eds, KK seems to be the master of inappropriate replies!


Inappropiate to a nuetral , but lifeblood to Kopite .

Qwerty


 

 

25 Mar 2012 13:31:49
Hey Ed may be a stupid question but if Kenny does leave in the summer and the new manager goes in how much will our transfer targets change with Comolli still here.

Will it be a case of recommending the same players that were recommended to Kenny to the new manager mixed with the new managers own ideas on players? {Ed002's Note - We have to wait to see what happens. It is still only March.}


 

 

25 Mar 2012 13:09:15
Hi Ed's,
If as expected?King Kenny steps down,moves upstairs,leaves or is sacked.
Who do YOU think could or who do YOU think would be capable of taking us forward to Champions league qualification,and in turn to the top of epl again to bring back the title to L.F.C?
Cheers
AL {Ed002's Note - See earlier answers.}


Whoever the new manager is, he's going to have it rough from all of you because you'll be calling for his head once the team drop points 3months into the new season! That's all I can say
Singred


The epl title has never been to anfield mate, its always at old trafford.
duggo


Agreed singred no matter what manager might sign as soon as we hit a rough patch alot of people will be slagging him off and demanding why they think is right.
You might not think we can win anything with dalglish but would we win anything by sclibg managers every time people throw their toys out the pram?
We could sign mourinho, guardiola, rafa anybody you can think of, as soon as we have a bad run his name wont mean tosh to some of the fans they don't care about anything other than winning and will sacrifice any morals to get it.

Ashy


 

 

25 Mar 2012 12:30:35
hey eds

i have some questions about sterling?

do you think he will play again this season

do you think he will start this season

and do you think he will be with us next year? {Ed002's Note - Yes; doubtful; why not?}


He is good enough for first team but lfc are worried about career longevity. if we play sterling too much now then he could be injury prone in the long run and no one here wants that. that is why he isnt playing too much.
derryred {Ed002's Note - Do you think he will get another 10 minutes next season?}


Yes, doubtful & no way


 

 

25 Mar 2012 12:28:02
Hey Eds really disappointed with current form but was pleased to see Sterling given a chance. is he on a professional contract at the club now? and do see him being involved more regularly from now on?

THANKS

R@


 

 

25 Mar 2012 13:27:50
I don't see how Kenny can be to blame for this, we were in for the talent but the talent wouldn't come for one reason and one reason only, wages.

If there's a model that's not working in this modern world of football it's the owners business model. If you want the best you have to pay the wages. Downing, Carroll and Adam were all after thoughts, the primary targets wouldn't come. The wages we pay will only attract journeymen. So stop moaning, it is what it is.

We just have to hope that we get a couple of superstars come through the academy, very much similar to what Utd had in Beckham, Scholes, Giggs, Butt and the Neville's. They provided their platform for a successfull 20 years after being in the wilderness for years and we need to hope that we have something similar coming through.

We can't compete with the petrodollar it's as simple as that.

Ozone


You are deluded mate who picks the players who picks the tactics who gets 4 million a year to win games. Kenny needs to be treated the same way any other manager would be with the AXE chop chop henry


If it's all about high wages getting the BEST then Wigan, QPR, Sunderland, Bolton and Fulham who all beat us during teh season must be paying higher wages than LFC?
Good players ARE attracted by money but also Managers with flair and imagination who play creative, attractive football.


 

 

25 Mar 2012 13:22:13
liverpool has to sign either javi martinez 25mill
or yann mvilla 18 million
iker muninan 15 million or ibrahim affelay 12 mill
gonzalo higuian 25 mill or leandro damio 20 million
i guess
yann mvilla 18mil
iker munian 15mil
gonzalo higuian 25 mil
mauricio isla 10 mil
cristian tello 08mil
jackson martinez05mil
david hoillet free
-------------------------
80 million gbp
sell
stewart downing 12million
dirk kuyt 6million
aqualani 6million
joe cole 3million
charlie adam 8miilion
stephen darby
danny pacheo 2million
---------------------------------
37 miilion


Thing is champs leauge footy.not! cup wins brings star names.And weve had it for them now


Your figures are wrong


Land of make believe


Too much FIFA


 

 

25 Mar 2012 13:21:47
Who would want to be Liverpool manager right now, its about as attractive as a trip to the dentist.
So we are lucky that we have KK during this time of crisis.


I like going to the dentist my one is a really pretty lady : )


 

 

25 Mar 2012 13:20:44
My views on Dalglish as the manager won't change - I didn't approve of his return initially, but as long as he is the man in charge, I will support him, until such time as he is replaced. Singred


 

 

25 Mar 2012 13:11:12
People want a name from those calling for Kenny to go so il give yous one Sean. kk has been at legend at the club for many years but the longer he stays i fear he is tarnishing his reputation and i for one dont want that. Recently his selections have puzzled me and when he was signing distinctly average players for unimaginable prices it was said these were based on stats so il include one:

Liverpool results in last 7 games Andy Carroll's started: WWDWWWW “ Last 9 without him: DDDLLLLLL

So why he is he on the bench whilst henderson is playing and adam??

I'd love to see brendan rogers take over brilliant young manager and pays football the right way!


Maybe cos a lot of so called fans moan about Carroll to the extent that it's affected Dalglish's train of thought, although I would be surprised about that. Then again, he put Sterling on yesterday and that was press, fan pressure wasn't it?

Keith


 

 

25 Mar 2012 13:03:08

#facts
only steven gerrard has scored more goals than gary caldwell at anfield in the premier league this year


 

 

25 Mar 2012 13:00:02
Just one question what is the future of LFC the season is finish for us we can't do it yes we win cups the positive things in this season but we didn't made our dream a real to be in champions league and we can't buy class players with out CL and this is the final summer who we can spend cause of the UEFA rules about buying players so i want answer what is the future for this club ? is it the end of the dream ? do we have a hope ?


 

 

25 Mar 2012 12:58:08
hi guys and eds. im still shocked with what happened yesterday and the qpr match. its a joke. the players are just not good enough to play for liverpool. i am going to list the players that need to go this summer in my opinion. they are carragher, carroll, adam, downing, henderson, spearing, shelvey, kuyt, flanagan and others. i know many supporters will say that some of them are young and for the future, but these players are not in the same level of liverpool standards. to sell players such as macherano, babel, torres and alonso and bring in henderson, carroll, downing and adam is just a joke. also what surprises me the most is, how on earth did torres, babel and macherano not win any trophys with liverpool (when we had a great team), but henderson, adam, carroll and the other flops, won a trophy (with a weaker team that we currently have)?. that baffles me. kenny should put maxi in the team but i don't know why he doesn't. i hope kenny and the coaching staff put things right but how much time will they be given?. they have made so many mistakes. but if the owners want to bring in a new manager, then i think frank rijkard is the person who can take liverpool back to where we belong. i apologize for a long comment but im just so frustrated.


How can you put Jonjo in that bracket when he has'nt been given the chance?


Because jonjo shelvey is not an alonso. but when he is given a chance, he doesn't do anything.


 

 

25 Mar 2012 12:51:39
How long will you blind Dalglish lovers keep faith in him? till we are in the relegation zone?

Next week we will get beaten by newcastle and will drop to 9th! Yeah this is progress...

Enough is enough!
100 Million spent and competing for 7th with Sunderland, Everton, Swansea and Norwich, this is just ridiculous!

Dalglish has to go now and so his complete management staff and maybe even Comolli!

They are ruining our great Club and his reputation around the world!


Makes zero difference whether what you say is true or not

We'll not be relegated nor will we make top 4

Kenny has to finish out the season and he make just scoup the FA cup, two cups in one year would not be bad.

The squad is poor, have been saying this for a long time, we are expecting too much from a poor squad.

We have 8 or 9 good players and after that not much.

Everyone wants the kids played well guess what a kid played yesterday in defence and he was not awe inspiring nor should he be learning his trade.

Fans can't have it both ways.

Sacking Kenny will not bring immediate relief to pent up anxieties

We need a summer spree to strengthen the squad, when we have injuries to key positions we can't cope this is obvious, no manager can work miracles.

Can FSG provide the investment we really need? Last summer in the transfer market was admittedly not Kenny's finest hour however those mistakes can be rectified with investment and last summer even if all those signed were playing spiffing for liverpool it would still have left us with a squad that had little cover in vital areas.

Instead of singling out a player each game for ridiclue, it started with Carra, then Kenny, Gerrard, Reina, and yesterday it was Skrtel's turn it would be better to look and the squad and relize its just not good enough in terms of quality or cover.

There are not quick fix solutons that path only offers more grief, abanter site should have an element of fun, well fun is sadly missing, time to wrtite this season off in terms of top 4 and look forward to our FA cup forray.

666


To be honest with you , I think the League campaign has gone now and lessons can be learned by the team&staff for next season .

I reckon next season we will be a much more competitive group and Cup double winners to boot .

9th in the league or 5th in the league , I don't think it matters now as long as the Cup double is secured and the team get ready for a League Campaign next season .

All the doom and gloom on here .... LFC might be having an open top bus parade around Anfield in a few months !

Qwerty


Another lucky cup win will not excuse the miserable performances in the league.


 

 

25 Mar 2012 12:10:47
If Kenny were to step aside in the summer, I would love to see Jurgen Klopp come in, but I doubt this will happen as he has already turned down Chelsea and I think we were after him at the same time as we got Roy, and he turned us down.
What is in our favour, when it comes to recruiting both players and managers, is the global fan base and history of the club, and the thought of taking Liverpool back to the top, and the global admiration and appretiation of the man who could lead Liverpool to this, I think this would be an incentive for a top manager to come to us. Imagine if someone came in next season and led us to premiership glory, he'd be an instant legend for all the fans across the planet.
Dr. A


Good doctor

Your prognosis maybe faulty

What most players want is money

History, tradition and other such intangibles are not scientific nor easily defined

Therefore I conclude that you are a quack

The charlatan


This was discussed on Friday. Dortmund are as big a club as we are! They have home crowds of 82000 each game and won the European Cup and so why would he want to come to us? We are not as much a draw as managing Bayern.


 

 

25 Mar 2012 11:51:09
I think its time for Carragher to retire, not only for footballing reasons which is on the decline, but because I feel he is a caustic source of tension in the squad, especially when playing. I don't think him and Pepe get on. Carra has been a great servant, will never forget 2005 CL final.

Time for him to do the decent thing and retire before he becomes a laughing stock.

We think you're great Carra, but your time has been and gone.


The witch hunt of carra will not cure LFC's Ills, they are just too great

But you must have your pound of flesh to feel some sort of release from the tension of what's happening, must you?


Perhaps you have not noticed the goals we have been letting in since Carra replaced Agger? Is it all just a coincidence?


Are all the goals leaking in Carra's fault?

The answeer is no they are not

Why put the blame where it does not lie

Only Morans do that!


The blame is placed on Carragher's shoulder's as he organize's the defence!


 

 

25 Mar 2012 11:48:56
I cant believe some of the people disrespecting KK when he as done so much for this club. I believe in this manager and the squad with a few additions.

Even some are having a dig at flanno when some fans have been calling for youth to get a chance and we had a youthful bench yesterday. Some fans will just whinge at anything.

Maybe our squad has been stretched at the wrong time. But we can look forward to seeing bellamy, agger and johnson coming back in the next couple of weeks.

We have a brilliant manager who is experimenting a little which is good for the future and we have a massive semi to look forward to.

As i say some fans start supporting the club and manager. Rather than thinking your own grievances are mor important.

Rome wasnt built in a day just be patient we have the right man in charge of our club.

Mighty reds
Mighty reds


I cant believe some of the people disrespecting KK when he as done so much for this club

GIVE IT A REST!


So so blinded by the love for kenny


Some supporters simply cannot wait for LFC to be the best again , without realising what it takes to that good in the first place .

Qwerty


No one cares about the past mate Kenny aint no king to me he is just a s**t manager


Past or present , insulting Kenny Dalglish like that on this site is just retarded - whatever club you support .

Qwerty


What's he done as a manager?


Hes won us a carling cup which we failed to materialise in 6 years, now ask urself what have u done for the club.

redh0t


No one is disrespecting Kenny. He was brought in to stabilize the club - he did that.

Time to move on.


 

 

25 Mar 2012 11:37:05
I fully believe we should be bringing rafa back! Loves the club and with the right owners behind him he could definately do something, people go on about his bad transfers but look at some of his good one! Torres, alonso, reina, agger!

Chris


Then look at how he alienated players and pushed Alonso out of the door, not to mention his nonsensical substitutions and cringe worthy interviews....

He is a legend and deserves to be treated as such, but should never manage LFC again!


IF loving the club was the answer Kenny would be the solution


Too many legends

There are only really a handful of legends

Stevie
Tommy
Bob
Bill
Kenny
Cally
Alan Hansen


Those who got near legendary status

Carra
KK (kevin keegan)
Ian (rush)
Robbie
The Saint
Jimmy case
Grame Souness
Ray clemence
Phil Neal
Steve Highway
Brucie
Ronnnie


You want Rafa back! So you would have no problem going back to zonal marking? Sod that, my heart used to be in my mouth with every set piece.

Rafa was great, but he's gone so get over it!

MR EM


I,ve said it before and al say it agen what did rafa win with his own team an fa cup enuff said about rafa and boring footy
mrbrown


Kevin Keegan is a legend. And so is Robbie fowler.


And where the hell is the Mighty Emlyn.


Kevin Keegan was a mercenary

Robbie fowlers careers at liverpool was blighted by phil thomson


It has to be funny that Ian Rush has not been marked down as a Legend .

Qwerty


Maybe its funny about rushie

but it was a welcome distraction away from sack kenny


 

 

25 Mar 2012 11:22:56
Hey Eds,

Downing,Henderson,Carroll,Adam were all bought as Kenny said to hit the ground running as they all had premier league experience yet not one of them has had a significant impact that would match there price tag.

What are your thoughts on the above players?

Thanks

Thatracoonstolemybacon


Kenny has spent such vast ammounts on total rubbish.Carroll makes my gran look mobile,Henderson can't do anything but run around like a donkey,Adam need to go on a diet and gives away free kick like every two mis. Downing cost 20 million and has no PL goals and no PL assists.

Kenny is quite frankly the worst manager the last time we had league results like this was 1952. Relegation form


 

 

25 Mar 2012 11:21:31
I do feel the loss of Agger and Johnson made 4th place an impossibility and said so at the time.People having ago at Pepe not being the same goalie of The Rafa times only need to look at our form with a Johnson Agger skrtle Enrique back 4.Pepe Likes us playing an higher line with him sweeping.The problem with playing Carra as back up is we have to change our style.He then takes over the whole show and dictates.I think Kenny needed to be more ruthless with Carra and show him the door.I do feel there is a problem with Carra and Pepe.Kenny should remove the Messiah and his desciples Spearing and flannagan from the squad.We need a unity in the side not split fractions.


Carragher should have been shown the door several season ago. He has been in decline for years. Now the situation has become toxic.


 

 

25 Mar 2012 11:12:38
Ed do you think it is possible that kenny could go before the end of the season? Also on sunday supplement one guy said he had spoken to kenny a few weeks ago and kenny said he would resign if people wanted him to go, so maybe that is what will happen at the end of the season. what do you think ed? {Ed002's Note - Anything is possible but I am confident that he won't do anything that would be detrimental to the club.}


 

 

25 Mar 2012 11:12:10
Really pleased with sterling yesterday, is the type of player we have missed for probably at least 5 seasons. Hope to see him get a few more substitute appearances but we should not expect to much straight away, he's still a young lad.

Bilverstone


Yes but 5 years ago he was only 11 or 12
Shanio1


Not sure he'll stay in a mediocre team that he has limited exposure in. KK only put him on yesterday to try to appease the fans.


Great maths I would never have thought that!


 

 

25 Mar 2012 10:56:51
I think as supporters we have got to stop believing that just because someone is from Liverpool or comes through the youth ranks they are up to the job
examples Flannagan is he really a Liverpool quality player
SPEARING a big heart but seriously he gets bossed by most other midfield
KELLY looks good but is proving less reliable on the injury front than Agger perhaps he is best as a back up centre back.We need class at the back in midfield and upfront average players will give us average league position


Totally agree with you regarding Little JAY I honestly am baffled as to what he is fantastic at.He just runs where the ball as been by the time he gets there it's gone.When he gets it he plays it simple, as his forward balls get intercepted.He gets out jumped, out run and his tackles are over played, and he gives away a foul.I think he does love the shirt, and plays for it I just question his ability.I know Didi and Alonso lacked pace but they offered other Qualities.Jay wouldn't be a regular at any premiership team with ambition.He's a wool from the Wirral ,so he shouldn't get the local lad favour anyway.

Woodi lietoyeh


Jay spearing is only in because lucas is injured, he is a back up and nothing more, a squad player given a role in the first team becauswe of injury to a 1st choice player, with lucas back no1 will be bossing our midfield, he was 1 of the best defensive mids in europe before getting injured. just to add about an average defence ?? only average since carra came in for agger, before then we had the meanest defence in the league maybe 2nd only to city, our problem is scoring, i have backed carroll all season, thinking he'll come good, he wont, time to cut and run, we need a clinical finisher, with 1 i think we should be back on track especially with the patient introduction of talented youth


It's amazing how some people will NEVER be pleased. 90% of people on this site have been calling for youth to be played, and yet when they play, people moan about them.

Flanagan is 19, he is our 3rd choice RB, after Johnson and Kelly. Give him a break for god's sake, he's not going to be world class straight away, every player needs time to bed in.

Spearing is also still young, he is not a first team player, he is a back up DM to Lucas. I don't think he's first team quality, but at the moment we dont have anyone else who can do that role.

Kelly has been brilliant for us, and yes he is injury prone, but so was Gerrard at his age.

GIVE THEM SOME TIME!


 

 

25 Mar 2012 10:51:37
can anyone tell me what is wrong with Glen Johnson? {Ed002's Note - I understand that he is recovering from a hamstring injury.}


 

 

25 Mar 2012 10:50:59
After the QPR game I was on the verge of calling for kenny to go having watched us against Wigan I couldnt belive we could be that bad but come next morning we need to all look at the bigger picture when kenny came in Hicks and Gillet had ripped the heart and soul out of this club we had no pride and no belief ,Kenny has brought that back true his signings have not done the business but this is the first full season we have had under kenny so please give the guy some time over the close season to get it right ,and remember if we did get rid of Kenny we would be back to square one and giving another manager 18 months to put it right ,so now that results are bad and we are all feeling down lets do what we do best and stand together as the song says you never walk alone support our manager and our players and work through this and watch us fly next season


Well said!
Red&Bred


 

 

25 Mar 2012 10:40:47
hey guys.. trying not to repeat the same questions..but if like u "think" or "suspect" that kenny will stand down or will be stood down at end of season. who do you beleive will be potential targets for the job? curious to hear what you think, as i beleive FSG may look to someone else as this position in league is not good enough. i love the king but i would agree with it..
thanks heaps {Ed002's Note - My understanding is that Martin O'Neill remains favourite with the bookmakers and many of the fans. Previously Didier Deschamps had been spoken to by the club and may remain an option. Jorge Jesus' name gets mentioned but after the season he is having perhaps he will prefer to stay in Portugal. Van Gaal is available but sometimes tough to work with. Laurent Blanc will be available in the summer as the French Football Federation look to Montpellier's Girard back in to the national set up. There are younger managers and coaches like Van Basten, Rijkaard, Rodgers and Petrescu who could offer a complete change which FSG may be seeking. But for now, Dalglish remains the manager.}


Please god not O'Neill!

Ash


A random homeless guy off the steets could do a better job then kenny he is so bad


Rab c nesbit? think about it! comes from glasgow,cant understand a word he says ,laughing stock in front of the camera,s,likes a wee glass, would be tactically inept,and the players would love him,oh wait! youve already got him ,just a bit of craic lol
trev the gooner


Trev the gobsh*te

Any chance of going Somewhere

A place where they will apppreciate your humour

Like say the Borstal


Surely first choice has to be Klopp.


 

 

25 Mar 2012 10:36:45
Hey guys terrible performance yesterday and even worse result, this has happened way to much over the course of the season.

Now I can see everyone on here, there is half the fans slating the signings and half still defending Kenny.

In the summer I can remember my reactions to these signings... Henderson, was happy as he looked a really good prospect (maybe wasn't too happy with the price tag) Downing, Once again for what was available thought a decent signing as we needed natural width.
Adam, thought a good squad player, Enrique, was a fan at his at Newcastle and for the money thought a good bit of business, Bellamy, happy to see him return. Add this with Carroll and Suarez, I was 100% certain our squad was a lot better off.

I know people were saying we could have got Mata for 8 Million more rather than Downing, but add that with the extra £80,000 a week he earns more than Downing over a 5 year contract you are bumping it up around another 25 Million, and we just can not afford that! this is not football manager or FIFA.

I remember saying to my mate (Chelsea Fan) i would be delighted with a 4TH place finish and F.A cup.
So fourth is gone but we have one cup and maybe one more.

I'm sure a lot of fans felt like this but people always seem to know better when results do not go our way.

What winds me up about Kenny is his timing of subs, too much rotation of the squad, and a lot of time poor excuses for the results, yesterday he blamed it on tiredness, Fulham are 6 points behind us and started there season two months before ours, John Walters for stoke who runs all day has started every game for Stoke, I Would expect 11 tired Liverpool players still to beat a team like Wigan!

I still want Kenny in charge next season and with a good few summer signings with Lucas back, youngsters coming through we will have good depth and good options. Maybe fourth will be out of reach again next season, but when we are ready for fourth I'm sure we will be ready to compete at the highest level too!

If you like Kenny or not get behind and support the team, we are all in this together, we could still add the F.A cup to our season!!

G BOX


True. I'd def love to see Kenny stay for more seasons to come. Just a striker with even a half decent ability to just put the ball in the back of the net is needed, a poacher, a must!


 

 

25 Mar 2012 10:31:12
If I was Kenny I'd wipe the floor with Flannagan. He's given his chance and he gives away an uneccessary free kick which leads to a goal.

We just haven't got the right balance in the team. Two right footed centre halfs, one of which should do us all a favour and retire himself and stop being so selfish. No width and two centre forwards who like to come deep. Until we address the winger situation we're mid table fodder.

There's something clearly absent on the training ground. It's all well and done trying to emulate Barcelona with the pass and move style but if you haven't got the quality, it becomes a liability. We don't have a Messi!

Steve Clarke does seem to have brought a bit of uniformity to the defence but with Kenny and Kevin Keene singing off the same hymn sheet with the pass and move culture, I feel something's being missed on the training pitch.

Also, I'm not Carrolls greatest fan but last 7 games he's started WWDWWWW, last 9 without him DDDLLLLLL!!!

Ozone


Flanno is a young lad who had a good game and can only improve, he doesn't play a lot of football for the reserves or lower so....
If the defending was better in the middle they wouldn't have scored


Very good stat about caroll, I'm not quite sure why we haven't started him more with Suarez were struggling for goals ATM so...still not my call.

As for rotation - we've got quite a few players out, and a lot of fixtures recently.

I'm glad we've won a cup this season but there does seem to be a bit of a hangover from it.

The season continues!

Realistic red


Slating Flanagan, a good young prospect is harsh. It's tough to ask a young player to come into a side where results aren't going well.

The results with Carroll is an interesting one. Considering our lack of goals, not playing him is puzzling, add to the results you've shown, even more so

RedSG


I'm not skatin Flanno, but immature petulance should be nipped in the but, especially when we concede from the incident, it was a Thai boxing leg kick not an attempt to win the ball.

Ozone


RedSG, whats so puzzling about it. Carroll has not performed anywhere near well enough to be demnding of a starting spot. For all the good he did against wigan after halftime , he may as well have stayed on the bench. He simply isnt good enough for LFC.

Steve


Steve, Andy Carroll's performances when he was given a decent run in the team during Suarez's enforced absence were improving, he wasn't at his barnstorming NUFC best, but he at least resembled him.

The results Ozone posted showed something was going right when he started 6 wins in 7. I don't know who those games were against but winning is a habit, and when he started those games we won the majority.

We all know Andy hasn't performed to the standards he set at NUFC, but he needs to get used to not being the main man here. At NUFC everything was catered to him, now at LFC he needs to adapt, but if he doesn't get played (not even in the reserves) how can we expect him to get some form?

RedSG


 

 

25 Mar 2012 10:26:41
"The Irritation of King Kenny"

The issue of KK rears its head again; it's not a matter of discussing him per se, it's simply a matter of where the team is now and what we can 'rescue' for the remainder of the season. It is NOT a simple issue of KK in or out - more why are we here now.

There have been some poor signings for very big money. Henderson, Carroll and Downing are valuable players but not worth the £70m+ we paid. Then again, that was the going rate asked for then and paid. If they had been stunning successes by this stage it would be a mute point. They have been very average, hence the discussion. They were not my words (but I would agree with them) that having spent (before sales) around £100m - or rather INVESTED that amount in the squad - we should have had a better return for our money. The incessant comments that we need to give the players time to bed in or settle in - I don't buy that.

In all the years I played 28th division football and watched the game, coached youth level, kicked about with ex-players on a Saturday and talked to people in the game, I never accepted this home and away/prefer playing home/away nonsense. I appreciate people like Collymore will tell me I know nothing as I've 'never played the game' but I stand by that assertion. These highly valued players can easily settle into an environment quickly. After all, do they know anything about England when they play in Bodrum? It's a mind thing and we excuse them too easily with that poor excuse of taking time to settle in. By the way, I have worked in Prague and Hamburg - all I needed to know was how I go to the office and what time I needed for the journey. So what do players from Birmingham need to know about playing miles and miles and miles and miles and miles away in Liverpool?

The posters (and Eds) saying KK needs more time and it takes time - not for me it doesn't. How long do we want for the team to gel? I looked through the stats this week about MUFC and the way they slid new players into the side. They have rarely had a blip in the past eight seasons despite integrating new players - including foreign players. To say that KK needs more time and we owe him that for all he has done for the club is laudable. But it won't push us on at all if we rely on sentiment. I have said it before and will do again: I want KK to manage the side and lead us to glory. But I don't think Fenway will stand by much longer and acquiesce to that sort of sentiment. They have invested $$$$$$ in the team and club and naturally expect more of a return. We are slipping gently down the league with an abysmal run of recent defeats. Saying it will come right won't please the fans who streamed out of the club before the end yesterday.

On that issue, as the 'real fans' bang on and on and on about how much more real fans they are. Many of those leaving in annoyance yesterday were possibly 'real fans' who also then rang the phone-ins to vent their annoyance. We are not heading for oblivion or relegation, just slipping further away from a position we always expect to be in. It's rather like the unofficial song sung on the phone-ins each year - "Can't wait for next season, it's going to be amazing!" This is 'that' season and has been for the past seven years!

I will never win any argument or discussion about KK managing the club on this site as there are so many of the faithful banging on about what he has done for us and means to the club. Yet there is a new generation of fans - many of them cash spending fans in their late teens - for whom KK doesn't mean to them what he means to many of us. They never saw him in action and to them, he is an ex-player with a great reputation, a certain cachet, an aura of power and respect, but still an ex-player managing the side. To me and you he may be a deity and legend, but to many new/younger LFC fans he is another Steve Bruce, Bryan Robson type ex-player who isn't cutting it as a manager. I know! I know! You're aghast I should say that. Talk to some of the 19 year olds, the 20 year old who drive to the games and spend money - they think he should do better. He's just Dalglish the latest manager. He isn't the icon you and me might see. This is an illusion that I believe FSG will want to cut through. They will ask which set of fans can they nurture to make money and support the club in the next few decades. The younger fans with a different perspective on KK will be the ones.

Don't waste your time responding to my posting with "get behind the team," "you're not a real fan!" "KK deserves respect" or "you calling for him to be sacked?" I'm not interested in any of that chest-beating b****cks. I want some idea of how we are going to stop the rot. Oh yes, that's what it is. Is it 25 points dropped on the spin? That's rot to me. The answer is not "just give him more time" and anodyne responses like that. Winning two cups (if we do that) will be a success for many of us (me included) but for the investment we made and our own expectations, it will be a reasonable return only. We always bang on about our history and former glory and target fourth spot. Our sights are so much lower ever few years. It sounds to me as though we have lowered them even more by accepting two possible cups as success.

If that is the case and we are happy with that - fine. Time to rub my eyes and see us as we really are - a team mired between fifth and eight place each season with the odd cup thrown in. "Nothing lasts for long" as Joni Mitchell said in "Chinese Cafe," and that is so true.

SP


Kenny hasnt just made the odd change. I think he has 7 new players to the first team squad alone.That is a massive amount of players to bleed into a first team squad in more or less one go. This is also made 10 times more difficult by the fact that he will be well aware that he is under massive scutiny to get every transfer right. Compare that to Berbatov at Man Utd who has had 1 good season, yet because he is in a team that has the quality to do without him Ferguson doesnt come under any where near as much abuse. It is so much easier to introduce players into a winning formula, especially when you are working within a budget. People will say he has spent £100 million gross on players! Man City have spent £400 plus and still not got it right. Chelsea have spent plenty in the last 18 months and by all accounts are going backwards. I said at the start of the season that our squad is a bit light and we are having to make do with certain players to fill our squad. Maybe when we get Cole and Aqua of the payrole we can add to our numbers.We definately need another right sided player, forward and a creative midfielder without getting rid of any of our new players, but perhaps the likes of Aureilio and Maxi could go. I would fully acknowledge that we have been derailed since Christmas and lost our mojo so to speak, but 250 shots on target and 25 shots hitting the woodwork tell me that we are creating plenty. Having the second best defence in the league (i think still) tells me we are doing something ok there too. What i will say that because we have so many chances and dont score that a lack of belief then runs thru the whole team. You know, it wouldnt surprise me that might still come 5th and win 2 trophies. Is that not massive progress? I want Kenny to succeed because of who he is, but if he didnt see any improvement then i think he would leave of his own accord. That time is not now. I know i might get slated for this, but it wasnt that long ago that we backed managers even in hard times! Houllier, Evans even Souness! What happened? As i said last night, how many managers get the sack after winning a trophy? Fans have to acknowledge that we are now in a 6 horse race for a top 4 spot. Kennys job is 10 times harder than any of the 4 previous Liverpool managers. Please accept this and give it time.

The Irish Rover


Rather than lament what is wrong at the club and with the manager, what do you think should be done to rectify these problems? What are THE ANSWERS? You find it easy to criticise in your own flowery way, how about a post as long that gives some solutions to the questions you pose! As I posted yesterday, it's so so easy to criticise and point out faults but far far harder to stand by your manager when things are not looking the best. To want a manager to leave (not saying that you do) after one season is not right in my opinion, he must be given time to find the solutions and move us forward. If not then we turn into the Chelsea's of this world!

Waro


A well thought out and reasoned post.

An interesting part for me is the section on younger fans who may know little of King Kenny. I'm 24 and I'm too young to remember King Kenny's 1st reign as manager, or to have ever seen him play. But I have read up and watched the highlights of his great moments. I must I have huge admiration for what he has achieved as player and manager, and a massive amount of respect for how he handled Hillsborough, he is a true legend, but I don't have as strong a emotional attachment to King Kenny as some. Maybe it's because I'm too young to remember, but there could well be a generation of fans with the same feelings.

As for the argument for players settling in, I think players coming from foreign leagues need a settling in period, just to get used to the pace of the Premier League. Players with Premiership experience shouldn't need a settling in period.

For the team "gelling" we looked like we were gelling in the 1st half of the season, and were getting points. After 19 games we were level on points with Chelsea on 34points, 2 points behind Arsenal in 4th and 11 points of Man City in 1st(they had a game in hand). Our 2nd half of the season has been woeful, 8 points from 11 games "relegation form" and all the progress we were making looks to have gone to pot.

Worryingly for me is that King Kenny comes from an era where 1st is everything, and 2nd is nowhere, so I can only imagine what he thinks 7th position is. The league is our bread and butter, but its clear we've targeted the cups. This talk of progress off the field with sponsors and the Academy are areas that are now not in his remit, he is in charge of 1st team affairs, and they are now not performing.

Personally, I would have used the Carling Cup to play the likes of Suso, Sterling, Wisdom, Coady etc to get them some competitive experience, this competition has cost us our most pivotal player in Lucas. The FA Cup would have been the cup to concentrate on for me, it's the bigger competition! But the league should have been where we looked to target, especially with Chelsea in transition, and Arsenal without Fabregas and Nasri. 4th was there for the taking, and now we're looking over our shoulder at the likes of Sunderland, Everton, Swansea and Norwich, for me that says it all.

RedSG


The investment is 9 new players in 12 months - 6 of them first team regulars .

It was always going to take time for the long term good .

Qwerty


At least the Chelseas of this world are winning


Waro why shud Steve Parker have any answers? Hes just a fan like the rest of us and why can't he ask about things? U don't seem to come up with any answers apart from the usual s**t about supporting the manager and getting behind the team and weve heard that millions of time before m8


SP,
In a word "goals".
The lack of them this season has been our undoing. It seems an obvious thing to say, but true nevertheless.
As Irish Rover points out, our match stats are no worse / no better than others. The one glaring difference is number of goals.

I can only draw an analogy with Arsenal. They've gone through similar bad patches to us but, mainly down to RVP, they have at times come away from such games with a point or all three.

It has been crazy, and very frustrating, for fans (and I'm sure players too) to see Liverpool hog possession but not put their chances away.
Don't get me wrong, several times this season we have been very poor. But the same can be said of all the other sides bar the top two.

Goals maintain confidence, then help to build it. How do you quantify confidence ?
I've experienced as a sportsman, and seen, how a lack of it can turn a good player to a downright bad one.

We need, in Summer, to find 2 or 3 top quality players who are going to give us that "oomph" we lack so much when things go flat. They need to have pace, pace, pace because Liverpool have too often been so one-paced and deliberate in their build-up play.

You all know my views on Kenny. I would see what we can get in next season, and hopefully introduce a kid or two from the youth set-up into a confident, winning team.

For me, wiping the blackboard, and getting in another Temp Teacher will do more harm than good. We simply don't have the money to do that.
I do feel there is the basis of a good side at Liverpool, so I want to see one more season of building that.
If it hasn't worked by then, that's Dalglish's contract almost up and I am sure he would move aside for a new man at that point.

The Real KB


Good point , no LFC fan wants to be a Chelsea Fc in the least .

I have to laugh at London Football Clubs , but that is another story .

Qwerty


No one's saying the fans can't question or criticise, above poster.
But there's a difference between that and demanding.
Demanding the sack.
That has all manner of implications, not least financial.
If fans are demanding that Kenny go, the very least I would expect of them is what comes in his place and how that is funded.
The Real KB


Sorry for being flowery - I blame my education!
I am not here to give answers but ask questions. I pay my money to support, they don't ask me for my input. It is easy to be a critic as we are so poor at the moment. If I had the answers I would give them but then I would be told that I was just a fan and 'what do you know?'
Too many people come back and say 'what are your solutions?' You say give him time. It is a football mantra. Ferguson got it and it worked - he was still hounded by the fans. Souness got it and nearly destroyed us. Who is to say we won't implode under KK. Who is to say in two years time we won't win the lot? If your only response to my points is to criticise me because I don't offer a solution or because I don't write or speak like wot you do, or ask me for solutions I never suggested I would give nor offered, then I'll put your response in the bin marked "USUAL REAL FANS' ANGER" and ignore it.

SP


SP,
One more season would almost bring Kenny's contract to a natural conclusion.
My previous point the other day about giving him respect is one I adhere to.
You may or may not be right about younger fans' views on him.
However, to paraphrase it in business terms as you like to put it, there is such a thing as a company culture.
Core values, traditions, respect for it's employees.
If us, as 'consumers' should recognise and buy into that.
The Real KB


 

 

25 Mar 2012 10:18:12
I still believe that Rafa still has unfinished business at our club, he was the one who wanted to bring back the boot room ethos. Great tactician! But his people skills are not there, his teams are all about finding the right players to fit like cogs on his time piece and do the job. So we still need Kenny in a roll to be there as a father figure to the players especially the young ones.


Rafa if he comes back will be the final swan song in liverpool's legacy as a top flight team

Be careful what you wish for?

We need Martin O'Neill


What he was unfinished making us play not very attractive football and leaving us with a not very good squad!!
How Exciting!!


Martin o.neill is already at his level. Appointing him will just be like appointing Roy Hodgson all over again.


 

 

25 Mar 2012 10:14:27
although we lose last night, it's glad to see sterling playing in last 10mins. do u think other youngsters will have chance too in the coming matches? {Ed002's Note - You may see an occasional cameo but Dalglish has made the situation pretty clear, certainly in respect of Sterling.}


What was the sterling situation then ed {Ed002's Note - Watch Dalglish's post match interview where he explains that Sterling was only in the squad because of injury and he did not want to use him and thatv the kid needs to be "managed" etc..}


 

 

25 Mar 2012 10:02:24
Here is the reason we are in this mess

Henderson = Rubbish

Carroll = Rubbish

Adam = Rubbish

Downing = Rubbish

80 million pound's worth of total rubbish well done Kenny great eye for a player your best signing has a knee problem and a was free transfer.


 

 

25 Mar 2012 09:55:55
Hello Ed002,
Is there a scheduled meeting between KK and the owners within the next few days? {Ed002's Note - I really don't know. I am aware that most communication is via Tom Werner.}


 

 

25 Mar 2012 09:55:49
So.....apparently we only used Sterling due to injuries and he may have liked getting on the pitch but hes not sure its the way forward...........
Oh dear.....any fool can see in a small glimpse he showed us what we could be getting on the wings week in week out.........If hes not the way forward even for now then were f$%#cked.......
I for one am worried.........
YNWA JFT96


If you watch the reserves your see Sterling won't solve the wing problems immediately week in week out. He comes inside off the wing as much as Downing!!

Lyndon


Kk is not sure that sterling is for the future??
Jees what is wrong with the man, of sterling goes in the summer which I believe he will, to spurs, then I will hold kenny fully responsible for losing him
Bean


 

 

25 Mar 2012 09:53:16
I think Liverpool should sack Bill Shankly. He has been in the job long enough and our league position is not good enough. Tony Hately is simply not a LFC type player and I cannot believe we paid £96k for him. 6 years without a trophy is not good enough blah blah blah.

If you want instant success then follow City or Chelsea. We build dynasties and this takes time. When a child is learning to walk you do not criticise them every time they fall. Instead you pick them up and encourage them.

Yes, we have players who are still learning how to be at a top club and how to consistently win in the league. Yes, some of them will probably leave.

A cup has been won. Another may follow. We now have the opportunity to give some youngsters experience in the EPL. I would like to see Coates play the majority of the remaining games, Sterling getting a few more run outs. Flannagan and Robinson used more often and Coady et al being given a chance. Hopefully Carroll will get a run of starts.

If we can do this then hopefully we will see the benefit next season and people will understand that Shankly never built Liverpool in a season, and it cannot be rebuilt in a season by Dalglish.

Crazy Horse


It's wearing thin now crazy horse, doesn't make u any more of a supporter with your blind faith and delusional views, the players we have are simply not good enough and never will be, Suarez, agger..... I'm struggling now, no one else in our starting 11 would get a sniff in any of the top 6 sides, you r judged on results, not all this shots on target and wood hit boll*cks! I don't support the club any less than u but can clearly see what a mess they r in, since the mid 90's and a brief spell with Rafa where we clearly over achieved we have not been the power house we seem to think we have the right to be.


You are spot on 'crazyhorse' .

The real supporters will help the club during this time and leave the rest to eat there hat at the end of day .

Another great day in the life of an LFC supporter .

I'm enjoying Kenny Dalglish's reign more than any other reign of LFC manager's , during the Premier League era .

Qwerty


Times have changed crazy horse.Sadly Champs Leauge is now Holy Grail,and you need to cotton on to that


U r enjoying the kk reign are u qwerty, maybe some people are easier to please than others, 10th place and a CC with a poor squad and tactically inept manager looks just peachy to me as well, maybe if we buy some more a average overpriced s**te next season we can cut the gap to 1st to 25pts, Maybe finish in the dizzy heights of 8th, now that'll b epic progress!!


 

 

25 Mar 2012 09:50:14
Why is Kenny still manager are the owners blind


No maybe unlike yourself they are Loyal
and may take stock at the end of the Season!!

Lyndon


Lyndon he does not deserve to be the manager for another hour


U clearly are a young fan. Look at everything he has done for the club. 3 times more than anyone else. Would u sack Steven gerrad if he were manager after one season and having won a trophy or two?


 

 

25 Mar 2012 09:49:40
Carra is fast becoming the slowest worst CB in the EPL. He just watched wigan score never ran back never even made a move towards the goal. Kenny is fast becoming an disaster he has lost most of the fans. The KOP are starting to turn thats when its time to walk away.The last time we have had this league form 1950s 60 years ago Kenny needs to get back on the cruise he came from.


 

 

25 Mar 2012 09:40:57
From when they start showing the signings kenny bought on match of the day you know things are bad. Also the crowd have turned thats why they say never go back please leave kenny.


 

 

25 Mar 2012 09:35:07
Kenny let meirles go with out replacement. then Lucas Injury without replacement. we missing a good striker he say's it's ok we have a good team no need to buy in January. all that is a good sign or good management?

a-r


Kenny is a joke worst manager in the PL fenway need to act today.


Forrest Gump!! What Top Manager do you have in mind to come in with 9 games of the Season left!!!


Yes Kenny didn't get anyone to "Not track back Not Defend or Not Tackle to replace Raul!!!!

Lyndon


Lyndon you are a total muppet and in the minority carry on wearing your rose tinted glasses he bought the players he has the tactics he is responsible


Gonzo I hope. He was always my Fav Muppet.
I change my mind then. He was a Great Tackler and bust a gut to track back!!

I'm not against people wanting to go it the way people are talking about him which is not on!!

Lyndon/gonzo


 

 

25 Mar 2012 09:22:39
Can everyone agree that Agger is our best Centre? since he was injured we have been terrible with carragher, no offence. we just need agger and skrtel together more often to be a complete side. maybe with some new signings or a youngster proving themself.


 

 

25 Mar 2012 09:20:03
Just got to say I'm very disappointed about yesterday defeat to the hands of the mighty wigan.

Kenny isn't the rite man for the job , but I don't see the point in sacking him.
May aswell see out the season.

Some people say stick with him another season , but honestly do you really want kenny to have another summer of spending.

We have lost 5 out of 6 in the league you can't say this is acceptable!!

Also I think reina needs to go , the guy obviously isn't interested anymore.

LAVERS


I thought Kenny going in the summer was a forgone conclusion after we made no singing's in January! as it's quite obvious that FSG don't trust him with anymore money! and i think Pepe want's out! so your wish'es may come true!


 

 

25 Mar 2012 09:16:28
Just for a laugh for EDs and fans please post this can't believe some people believed these

The Fields of Anfield Road
Bent deal done....
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The Fields of Anfield Road
Alex McLeish insists that Darren Bent is not going anywhere during the transfer window, despite interest from Liverpool. TFOARs no cynic, but we've been around long enough to know that McLeish's emphatic statement could mean any one of three things: 1) Darren Bent is off to Liverpool during the January transfer window, 2) Darren Bent is off to somewhere else during the January transfer window and 3) Darren Bent is not going anywhere during the January transfer window.
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The Fields of Anfield Road
The loyalty of some fans sometimes has to be questioned. Downing is a quality player, who has yet to pull on a red jersey. Already he is getting stick. Why? Because he dosen't have some exotic foreign name?
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The Fields of Anfield Road
Forget Johnson, forget Downing, we have bid for Mata. I've told you a thousand times, have faith, we will get our man, and TFOAR will be vindicated once again. Do you know, as of yet, we have never given you information that has not hit the press some weeks later. Trust us, we are not a rumour site.
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The Fields of Anfield Road
Mata WILL be an LFC player within days.
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The Fields of Anfield Road
Aguero negotiations underway! Bid accepted. 2 players passed medicals, I believe 1 of em is Young (but dont know).

The Fields of Anfield Road
Before i go for my sleep, let me assure you that we have bid accepted for Aguero
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25 Mar 2012 09:01:53
Van gaal all day. Ancelloti or capello wud be good. I know al get slated for suggesting
Capello but take away the joke figure the English press have tried to make him he's a very capable manager

Peter


Ya Capello!! Young manager one for the future!!!!!!

Lyndon!!


 

 

25 Mar 2012 08:59:34
All season our main problem was the lack of goals, but with Dagger and Skrtel our defense at least was massive, so we could at least get the draws, not conceding goals. But with Carragher we got sorely exposed, and I believe Reina is losing inspiration , looks to me like he cannot believe Carra still gets first team football. Adam, Henderson been useless and I feel Carroll was too much on the bench. Kenny seems to me too stubborn to see and admit his own mistakes, I hope the owners can sort this out soon.

HK


 

 

25 Mar 2012 08:52:56
Have we all forgotten?

How we cheered and thought it was a master stroke by DC and KD when we signed Carroll and Suarez back in Jan 2011?

How Kenny came in and carried us from near relegation to 6th position, almost getting us into the top 4

How he has made the pass and move football that made our team a joy to watch, after the dross defensive play that was the hallmark of Hodgson?

When KD made 5 new signings that he saw would improve the squad: Downing for width, Enrique the LB that we desperately needed, Adam for being the leader on the pitch, Henderson for his assists and Doni as a reliable backup for Pepe, and looking at them then, everyone, including the media, thought - yea, that could work?

That we did try to get players like Mata, Young, Jones, Clichy but they rejected us

Kenny has ideas on how we should play on the pitch, and that's why he bought these players. That the ideas have not translated into results doesn't mean they don't work – it takes time for the boys to get to know the system. But with a cup win and Europe next year, that's not bad for a first season.

I myself was impatient at first but eventually saw Ed001's argument (and I can't stress this enough now) it really takes time for a team to properly gel and work as an effective unit. Surely for all the good work that he has done, it's only fair that Kenny be allowed to rectify and fine-tune the mistakes he made, and given another shot next season, because I am quite confident that once the team has build a foundation, plus with a couple of right signings, the results will come.

Singred


Someone thought signing Carroll was a masterstroke?
Not me!

Chris in Tamworth


Completely utterly agree singred.pass and move it's the Liverpool grove

King luis


I wouldmbe happy to have completely crap players giving their all for the team instead of seeing 20 mil signings like Henderson and downing playing for us with no real motivation seemed like they had no love for the club...u talk about downing being bought to provide width but most of the times he drifts inside and plays through the middle and Adam was a leader for a club like blackpool but this is Liverpool we r tAlking about and as for Henderson he will come good sighing a season or 2 but overall the amount of money spent on players and the results have not matched


 

 

25 Mar 2012 08:34:44
IMO Liverpool's short comings this year are are combination of players who are past it and players who aren't good enough and that spells one thing = disaster!


 

 

25 Mar 2012 08:31:48
Does Shelvey show a lot more potential than Henderson? I think he does! More flair to him and more of a eye for a pass. If Shelvey was trusted more pre-season and Kenny bought a hug the touchline winger like Downing our midfield would have so much balance to it. Easy saying that now I suppose.


I thought Kenny DID buy a winger like Downing.

cozinoz


 

 

25 Mar 2012 08:29:27
Hello Eds,
I'm reading that KK says that tiredness took its toll. Isn't a bit silly to explain a poor season with this? As I remember at the beginning of the season we all heard that we're in a great position to challange for the title as we are not in European Cups and can focus on domestic games. Let's be honest, City and United have played in Europe and are 1st and 2nd, Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal, Newcastle are higher than us, some of them were/are in CL, some of them weren't. I see no connection. And look how far behind we are now. Again. Sad to see such a great club to struggle like this. Don't know what will happen to KK, and I don't see such a great improvement as KK says. Maybe in the financial status, wages, getting rid of all the wood. But in the performance and league position? Not really. They don't even score as they used to last season.


 

 

25 Mar 2012 08:12:10
When is this pain going to end? I thought things were on the up after Woy but this is equally as poor!

Lost to qpr after being 2-0 with 10 mins left, now we've lost at home to Wigan! We are becoming a joke club. Players not interested, clueless manager and £100m spunked on dogs**t quality players.

Kenny needs to get back to ambassador role and get a proper manager in.

SJB


100% agree, you lot are becoming the joke club. Keep the laughs coming fella's.

Melbourne CFC


 

 

25 Mar 2012 07:59:30
Anyone think if kenny does go and rafa comes in that torres will follow ?


I don't think Rafa will bw following him, now. Hope, the decision regarding the change would be in Liverpool's favour. YNWA


 

 

25 Mar 2012 07:54:43
Dalglish is a legend,but as manager he isn't so good.This year we have to win FA cup also....and next year.'1.new manager(Rafa)
2.grow up academy's some players(wisdom,flano,robinson,coady,sterling,joao,suso,ngoo,morgan)(They can play some matches in Europa league)
3.bring 2-3 new players
(1.Giroud,2.Affellay3.J.Martinez)
4.Sell players(Wilson,Adam,Maxi,Poulsen,Cole,Aquilani,Kuyt,Bellamy(maybe))
Squad will be Reina
Johnson-Agger-Srtel-Enrique
Gerrard-Lucas-Javi-Downing
Suarez-Giroud


 

 

25 Mar 2012 07:25:08
Quote from John W Henry - League form is very disappointing. He said this after twitter went crazy after the wigan defeat. Also LFC are no longer letting people comment on the game on thier website. Please fsg sack him before swansea take 7th place

110 million pounds could have bought a lot better players. Instead he got a load of rubbish who are not fit to wear the shirt


Like Swanseadropping 1 more League place is going to make a difference .

Look forward to next season as Cup double winners will you .

Qwerty


Qwerty qwerty give us your answers do,you talk crazy,outve your a se you do.It aint been a stylish marriage,Kennys getting Hackney carriage.For you lifes sweet,tastining defeat.take your nonsense elsewhere please do o o


Qwerty, what medication are you on?


 

 

25 Mar 2012 07:17:26
Some betting shops have stopped taking bets on Kenny to be sacked.


Good , it is a waste of the publics money .

Qwerty


 

 

25 Mar 2012 06:58:17
What really winds me up is that now is such an important time to put the club back on track because we dont wana fall too far behind united an co... Even more so now the epl is opening up to fans from all over the world and is becoming more accesible. But if i was watching us why would i support us? Nobody likes to lose, right?
£100m+ could of done a lot of damage and set us up while the stadium is being built but it has been squandered on utter sh*te and we're stuck with these lot now!
Like it or not but the fans from all over the world who could support us in the future ARE the future and will determine how succesful we will be. In a sick twist of fate it will ultimately be kenny dalglish who will leave a legacy that could destroy the prospects of future success

Peter


 

 

25 Mar 2012 04:27:51
Didnt see the game today due to work but will post a review once Ive had chance to watch.

Judging from reactions on here we must have played badly...not to mention the result.

I said after Bolton game a few weeks ago that motivation is a massive issue for us in the league. I dont know why but even Gerrrard looks completely demotivated. Even more so now that there is nothing left to play for in the league. If we dont win the FA cup the team will have embarassed themself in the league for no reason so they need to be sure to win it.

Just a side note: Rafa and Houllier both got fired for finishing in this position or higher (though I may be mistaken). While Kenny should be given next year to fix this issue he does need to do something drastically.

Nevada


 

 

25 Mar 2012 03:59:24
Dear fellow Reds.
There are two distinct camps, or groups that have emerged on this site over recent weeks, namely:
A.Those who support KK.
B.Those who do not support KK.

I think much of the 'division' stems from our own personal expectations, what unites us however is that we are all passionate LFC fans and supporters.
I for one, do not believe it constructive to 'downplay, or dismiss a fellow fans views and opinions, as we are all entitled to those, and deserve the opportunity to express them, even though they may 'displease' other fans.

As I see it, broadly speaking our collective 'expectations' for the 2011/2012 season would be, based on actual possible outcomes:
1: For LFC to win the EPL.
2: For LFC to win the Carling Cup.
3: For LFC to win the FA Cup.
4: For LFC not to be relegated.
5: For LFC to qualify for the Champions League.
6: For LFC to qualify for the Europa League.
7: For LFC to win the Community Shield (by virtue of 1 and 3 above).
8: For LFC to improve upon previous seasons final position (league).
9: For LFC to improve upon previous seasons final points total (league).

I think this about covers it.

So, now I would ask that you reflect on the 9 points above, and measure them against your 'pre season' expectations, once done, determine if your expectations were:
A: Exceeded.
B: Met.
C: Not Met.

Now ask yourselves why?, were my expectations realistic or unrealistic.

Thanks for your time.
We are all fans of the greatest club (LFC) ever, but our perspectives are just different.
God bless, regards, Shankly's Red Army.


 

 

25 Mar 2012 03:19:41
Javi Martinez would be good. but lfc wont get him.


Thank you for your post. Enlightened everyone. I really do hope u become a regular...


 

 

25 Mar 2012 03:12:07
so damn hard to support liverpool fc, but i love it

heads up and walk on


 

 

25 Mar 2012 03:46:15
We had a bad game and we lost, i think our youngsters should be given more opportunities as they look better then the first team. lets stick wid Kenny for another 2 seasons, why? because we are carling cup champions and we will soon be winning FA cup and next year europa league is guaranteed. since 4th place aint guaranteed now i wouldnt mind seeing liverpool in 17th place as europa league is guaranteed. so lets stick wid kenny, the only thing kenny needs to improve is to try new ways.

redh0t


 

 

25 Mar 2012 03:45:09
Wanna say a quick thanks. Liverpool is the only thing keeping me from severe depression.

Melbourne CFC


Did Torres score?


Ya thought all his Problems were over after scoring twice against Errrrrr! Leicester.

Jog on back to the wilderness of the Chelsea Pages!!!

Lyndon


Haha Im not worried about Torres scoring, it is coming back to him. You thought all ya problems were solved with the Carling Cup but momentum does not favour those with no skill.

Its gonna be another very long season come 2012/2013 for you boys. Buy hey theres always the year after that right?

Melbourne CFC


Melbourne .. Seriously? You have actually got the nerve to spout your tripe, when you could be in the same boat as us? Minus the trophies of course!

Lee YNWA


We are not in the same ocean let alone the same boat mate, we are having a terrible season, you lot are just terrible. The trophy mate, singular. You'd be getting ahead of yourself if you thought the FA Cup was in the bag.

And all the trophies (plural) that we have won in recent years while you did and continue to lay dormant, are sitting pretty with me. We even won the League. You remember when that would happen at LFC don't you?

Melbourne CFC


 

 

25 Mar 2012 03:33:31
Is it me or has the injury of agger made more of an impact on the team/results.........maybe we should give Coates a chance......maybe carraghers time is up???


Yes We miss Agger,and we need to buy 3rd centre back.We have Agger and Skrtel thats all.


What about Coates?


 

 

25 Mar 2012 03:29:14
Raheem Sterling ___ Kuyt _____ Downing

_____________Luis Suarez

__________Adam___Henderson

Enrique --Coates --Carragher ---Gerrard

______________ Reina

I would prob play this team, if we where lacking bodies. Gerrard could of played RBK and Sterling should be on the pitch. He is ready to play on the pitch. If your good enough then your old enough (kevin Keegan)

I would play gerrard as my utility man, he been lfc best rbk ever.


 

 

25 Mar 2012 03:15:10
Next season I would like to see this [Players I state first in their position are starters]:

Buy:

Fielding - 4m
Javi Martinez - 25m
Robert Lewandowski - 15m
Jackson Martinez - 8m

Spent - 52m

Sell:

Dirk Kuyt: 4m
Alexandre Doni: 1m
Alberto Aquilani: 5m
Joe Cole: 4m
Emmanuel Mendy: 200k

Recuperated - 14.2m

Team

Goalkeeper: Reina, Fielding

Right-Back: Martin Kelly, Jon Flanagan, Andre Wisdom

Centre-Back: Daniel Agger, Martin Skrtel, Jamie Carragher, Sebastian Coates

Left-Back: Jose Enrique, Jack Robinson

Right-Defensive-Midfield: Lucas Leiva, Jay Spearing, Conor Coady

Left-Centre-Midfield: Javi Martinez, Charlie Adam, Jordan Henderson

Centre-Attacking-Midfield: Steven Gerrard, Jonjo Shelvey, Adorjan

Right-Winger: Luis Suarez, Craig Bellamy, Toni Silva

Left-Winger: Raheem Sterling, Stewert Downing, Maxi Rodriguez

Centre-Forward: Robert Lewandowski, Jackson Martinez, Andy Carroll, Nathan Eccleston

This way we keep our basic team, we don't sell a lot of players and we dont get rid of that backbone that we have been playing with this year whilst still improving the squad. Tell me your thoughts

BthekingB


That squad wouldnt get you anywhere near the CL btw

Gav


No Suso


Where's Johnson then?


Did you kill Johnson or something??


Lol.

I'd rather keep Kenny if that's what the future looks like... lol.

BJH YNWA (lol)


 

 

25 Mar 2012 03:10:46
is it me or is skertel to blame for our goals


It is you. We should blame you for all the goals we have conceded this season.

BthekingB


I'd say carra


I think you'll find it's carra's fault, hope agger isn't gonna be out for too long


Just last week Skrtel was brilliant

The best CB in all the world

He was the tatooinator

Now he's rubbish

Some of the comments are out of the beano


 

 

25 Mar 2012 00:47:46
Time to take off the blinkers, discard the rose tinted glasses, and put sentiments aside. We are s**t! The cups are only papering over the cracks. The owners can't be faulted gave us £100m to spend, players bought in overpriced and average. The finger must be pointed at someone but I've not got the heart to blame one of our own. Next season could also be a long haul. Something has to change. Any ideas fellow Redmen? Eds?

MidlandRed


I wouldn't put you in charge of 200 million pound business. lol


It's worth at least £500m. I'm glad it's not in your hands..what's up? You lost your abacus?!

MidlandRed


 

 

25 Mar 2012 00:13:24
Thank god the rugby league season has started and I can forgett I am a LFC fan

Complete shambles all this talk of unlucky is rubbish after nearly a full season you are within points of your true position unlucky just does not wash it any more

Time for an honest assessment kd just has not done it how many arsenal and Newcastle player with the obvious exceptions of rvp an ba who would make our team I think that says it all.

Chris


Tiote is better than spearing, krul better than reina and (this season at least) gutierrez has been better than downing.

Can't remember what side he plays but I think Sagna would get on the right side of your defence. Sczezney I'd say has been better than reina. Walcott has played better than Henderson at some points, but has been equally dire at others. Rosicky has been outstanding recently aswell.

Those are just players that would walk into Liverpool's team. Other players are equally good (colocinni/vermaelen = Agger) or haven been injured for a long time (wilshire/s Taylor).


You could always start following stoke chris , if the funny -ball game is your thing..................lfc


RVP, Wilshire, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Arteta, Rosicky, Walcott, Vermaelen, Sagna, Szceney (spelling)

Krul, Taylor, Cabaye, Tiote, Ben Arfa, Ba, Cisse, Guitierrez (spelling)

I think that says it all?

Gav


Thought you were going away lfc?

Or are you just to embarrassed too go on the United page where you sped most of your time usually?

Gav


Flight booked for monday , wont return until we win fa cup gav ... ,besides i dont think ill be missed on the utd page mate lol...............lfc


Dont be so hard on yourself lfc - you will be missed!

We love a good laugh on the United page ; )

Gav


 

 

25 Mar 2012 00:03:51
Ed, as you say that the league season is essentially over. Do you think we will see more cameo appearances from youngsters (not necessarily Sterling) in the closing league games of the season? Was at the game today, when shelvey and Sterling came on, they were the only ones who looked as if they wanted to play some football. Cheers

ToonRed


 

 

24 Mar 2012 23:59:04
Do you really think the Owners after King Kenny Dalglish lifts the Cup double ... 'this is not good enough in the first season of your 3 year contract - you are relieived of your managerial duties' .

Maybe you have to SHOW faith to be rewarded .

Qwerty


You seem very sure liverpool will win the FA cup... i wouldnt get too excited

SteUTD


Sorry, you have won 2 cups have you?

Gav


I asked the same answer yesterday. How many managers get sacked after winning a trophy? Chelsea managers! I can't think of any others!

The Irish Rover


I state it quite clearly 'AFTER KD LIFTS the Cup double' .

It is nailed on to be honest , I have the betting slip to prove it !

LFC double winners - bring on next season .

Qwerty


'the micky mouse and 8th-10th in the league, time to go Kenny'.

Melbourne CFC


Vecente Del Bosque was sacked from Madrid after securing a champions league trophy and la liga if I'm not mistaken.

Nevada


Yes Then went on to Coach Spain to the World Cup!!!!

Lyndon


 

 

24 Mar 2012 23:56:40
i think sterling had a class little cameo today how do u think he looked edds
big red john {Ed002's Note - See earlier answers.}


Why don't we play him in the first team, esp when kenny is blaming tirness for the defeat.

downing + Raheem Sterling

better wing play would help us win acouple.,


 

 

24 Mar 2012 23:51:20
Only realistic signing for us would be:

Joe Allen
Scott Sinclair
Hugo Rodellega
Matt Phillips
Jordan Rhodes

Any other world class player people mention here would never join a club that is now regarded as a sinking ship! Sorry for telling the truth. Eds, any comments to the wet dreamers?


Matias Suarez? Rossi?

There are plenty of big time players who we could sign.

BthekingB


Can someone splash some water on this kiddo to wake him up?


You wont sign any players like that. Your owners will look at the cash that has been spent and say balls - sell before you buy.
The way you Reds fans go on you would think you are Man city or manu... you are not.


 

 

24 Mar 2012 23:48:58
I am sorry but I think Dalglish's time is up: Don't get me wrong he was a brilliant footballer and manager in his time but the emphasis is on time. Football has moved forward from his day now you need a technical manager with real game intelligence of how systems work. For example, setting up the defence midfield and attack. Dalglish is not able to do this effectively and is very unsure about the timing of substitutions, in addition his signings have been very poor i.e Henderson, Adam & Carroll. The money should have been used for someone more technical like Martinez of Ibanez, big problem now is that LFC are going to have to start again from scratch and re-avaluate the whole emphasis.

We should never be at the point where we are chasing meaningless cups at the expense of league priority this is sad and it is clear that some if not most of the current players will need to be moved on. Finally, Dalglish is making a lot of excuses now like players being tired this is a sign of a desperate man sometimes you have to look within in order to find the answers. To say that he would not swap the cup for 4th in the league is sad especially when the league was considered bread and butter in the past.

The danger now is that we are more of a cup team than a premier league outfit which does not bold well in the long term you just need to check out the Houllier years for that We need to take a serious review of the Whole set up and consider a manager from Spain.


A certain Rafael Benitez! i pressume!


How about a Management double act for next season
KK - Rafa


I am a Newcastle fan and can say that I would take the league cup and possible FA cup than Champions League football. You Liverpool fans need a few years of nothing before you become grateful for what you have got. The way you are talking you have missed out on winning the league. Sorry to say it but you will not do this while both of the Manchester teams have the spending power. Also, your team is not as good as Spurs or Arsenal or Chelsea... and at the moment Newcastle.


 

 

24 Mar 2012 23:46:57
People saying how great sterling was today, I think it's more about the type of player he is, he is a very quick winger with tons of enthusiasm. Exactly what we are badly missing in our team. The Liverpool attack and midfield is like a toothless smile, full of great players but absolutely no bite whatsoever, gerrard an Suarez can do it but neither have been consistent this year.
It's very obvious to everyone here what we need, a right winger and goal scoring striker, preferably with bags of pace. Ones that will go right into the first team.
The likes of Adam, Henderson and Carroll will likely do better once the spotlight is on newer signings.
The league this year is over for us, so I am not going to get upset over these loses now because 4th place was gone after the arsenal game, the players, manager and fans know it. Everything will be put into the FA cup.
Remember if we win it we have won 2 out of the 3 competitions we entered this year (as was just mentioned on motd) and we never had any realistic chance of the league.
I know it's hard being so low in the league and historically speaking we should be higher, but historically man city, spurs and Chelsea should be a lot lower. English football has changed and unfortunately it takes one hell of a lot more than 100m and 12 months to turn round a team that was so close to administration. But we will never get back to the top without the support of the fans, so let's get off kennys back, not because of what he did as a player or a manager back in the day, but because he is our manager now and he has just delivered us a trophy in his first full season, we are in a semi final and we are seeing some real attacking
football from Liverpool.
the results will come.
It's the only thing missing.
Just my thoughts, please feel free to comment.

Cheers

MIKEY


MIKEY 1 point! With real attacking football come's goal's! and they have been very limited this season! As the commentator of the 74 cup final said goal's pay the rent! We got beat at Bolton Sorry wiped the floor by Bolton they were bottom of the league! winning 2 0 with 13 min's left against a side that were third from bottom! now at home getting beat by a side second from bottom who have never won at Anfield! yet you say we say we should look at other team's City Spur's and Chelsea as they should be lower? You cant polish crap! and sorry that's what Kenny's signing's are! except Suarez who Comolli pushed for! All the other's are just not good enough!


 

 

24 Mar 2012 23:45:50
Evening ed's sorry to leave my question so late if and it's a big if kenny was to go and we got a big named manager (i know its not likely) but if we do do you think even without champs league footy they could attracted big name players Ie..

Levezzi
Rossi
erikssen
M'vila
Etc.....

and the whole Sterling starting on the bench today do you think that had anything to do with reports in the papers this week or is he ready to brake into the 1st team ??

really sorry if these questions have been asked

plz keep the faithful informed and keep up the great work

RTR07YNWA {Ed002's Note - It is not possible to answer the first and as for the second I doubt the manager would be held ransom by a 17 year old kid or the press.}


 

 

24 Mar 2012 23:32:56
Liverpool are considering an offer for Barcelona midfielder Ibrahim Afellay who has struggled to make an impact with the Spanish side since moving from PSV in January 2011.

The 25-year-old moved to the Spanish champions for 3million and made a number of appearances both in the league and the Champions League, even coming on as a substitute in the final against Manchester United.

However, he suffered a serious knee injury and has been out of action for most of this season. In that time he has seen his chances of getting back into the side diminish thanks to the superb form of Alexis Sanchez.

The Chile international has become a regular in the first team, while Christian Tello and Isaac Cuenca have also been used regularly this season by manager Pep Gaurdiola.

Now Dutch website Sport1.nl has reported that they believe Liverpool will try and bid for the winger at the end of these season and will make an offer of around 12million.

They are confident they can persuade Afellay to leave the Catalan side as they can offer more regular first team football. The Reds do not have a out-and-out right winger and have often played Dirk Kuyt or Jordan Henderson on the right.

Afellay has experience at the very highest level having played in the Champions League on a number of occasions, while he also represented Holland at Euro 2008 and at the 2010 World Cup.


 

 

 
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