Liverpool Banter Archive August 25 2017

25 Aug 2017 23:47:36
Wow! Bar me, please 😞🤔 (Morries wigs, they don't come off) 😎
Happy wkend y'all ✌.

25 Aug 2017 22:41:06
Unless I am mistaken what Liverpool need the most is a new goalkeeper. Minger is bang average and the only people who are inspired by him are the opposition.

25 Aug 2017 23:17:44
I said before the season that Migs wasn't good enough and he's only reinforced my belief so far this season. He's not even the best goalkeeper at the club. Karius and Ward would both far exceed him if they were given a run of games to gel with the defence and get some confidence, imo.

But apparently 4 months or so of being the bare minimum standard we need last season and the fact that his errors haven't directly cost us a goal yet this season seems to be enough for some people.

26 Aug 2017 00:29:00
Something Red, are you doubting Klopp.

26 Aug 2017 01:56:41
I wish for karius to become good but he's probably the worst keepeer in the premier league right now. as for ward, he looks like he knows what he's doing and i would like to see him more.

26 Aug 2017 01:48:25
Many said that he had changed and was ready.

There must be thousands of them quotes as reference.

Utd had the luxury of Peter, then struggled and messed up thereafter, Liverpool had the half luxury of Grobbelar (excuse spelling) who set a precedent of not being able to catch a ball.

Utd struggled after Peter yet had a solid squad, Liverpool struggled in all areas and still can't replace David James.

Says it all, but even them shower can just about exist with Barthez and the lemo head etc.

26 Aug 2017 07:04:17
We should have signed Pickford.

25 Aug 2017 22:00:41
I'm sorry but I can't understand all the stress over 1 player, who by the way is a good player but certainly no Keegan, Dalglish, Rush, Fowler, Owen, Barnes, Torres or Suarez. He's a good kid who dreams of playing for Barcelona. If one of our sons was playing for Independiente and Liverpool wanted to sign him I'm sure we would forgive him for forcing a move? Sorry but I love LFC not Phil Coutinho, Bobby Firmino or Jurgen Klopp. Doesn't mean I don't want them to become legends for LFC but very few are like Shanks, Paisley, Kenny, Carra et al. We have always had and lost great players, legends come along once or twice a decade and we have been spoilt rotten over the years people. We are back at Europe's top table after too long an absence, onward and upward. YNWA.

25 Aug 2017 22:27:25
Yeah he doesn't match the likes of Owen despite the fact he may go for the 2nd biggest transfer record in history!? Are you seriously saying he's not at that level!?

People keeps saying 'he's not world class' but name me a team on form he wouldn't get in to? Barcelona want him to replace iniesta one of the best midfielders of the last 20 years? He still young enough to improve as well! ( and has been year after year) . I'll hear a Load of responses based on someone watching you tube for 10 mins and saying they're world class but if you did the same with couts he wins every time! Rant over, gutted if he goes but we need to keep our best players if we want to challenge. Arsenal lost their best player every year for a decade and that's why they never took the next step.

25 Aug 2017 22:49:27
Coutinho is extremely important to us but he certainly seems to have made his mind up. Why couldn't he play for us these last few weeks whilst still trying to negotiate away a transfer away from the pitch if that's what he wants. The fact he has done what he has, has pissed all over the fans. We are through to the CL group stage but it could have so easily gone the other way because of his antics. I want us to keep him as he makes us tick but I can honestly see him being sold for a big fee late in the window. He produces world class moments but I'm not sure if he is quite a world class player yet. For me Mane is more of a match winner on his own but again that is just my opinion.

25 Aug 2017 23:05:59
Get your point Jayden but Suarez did worse and nobody complained when We came close to winning the league. Ultimately we all want the club to be successful and if we stand a better chance of doing that with him we keep him- provided he can apply himself like Suarez did. Of course there is no way of knowing.

Mane like you said has been amazing for us but he couldn't replace an iniesta cos he's not that type of player. Hence his value his higher to them as there are less players capable of filling those shoes.

25 Aug 2017 23:06:07
He is a world class player who makes fantastic plays seem ordinary. For me, losing him will be a sad moment whether this year or next, solely because I enjoy watching him play. and i feel this should be our greatest concern as fans. not the price. We want the best players so we can win the league and if we were to lose him at this point it would be tremendously difficult to find a replacement by the close of the window. Yes, kovacic or draxler could do the job for us or even seri but all I care about is seeing that one of our players wins the player of the league this year, whether Coutinho, Firmino, Mane, Salah or moreno!

25 Aug 2017 23:09:16
Is he as good as Peter Beardsley? not for me. When we lost Keegan we felt it was a disaster, likewise Souness, Whelan, Ray Kennedy, Torres, Suarez, Rush, Dalglish, Gerrard, Aldridge, Bearsdley, Carragher. will history say the same about Pipco?

26 Aug 2017 00:36:36
Wouldn't get in Madrids team.

26 Aug 2017 01:32:49
Hi Lads
Just my opinion . There is little doubt that Couts is our best player . Let us also not forget that football is a team sport. Every competitive game is a literal battle against the opposition In order for us to win trophies we need EVERY single player with a singular focus willing to put his neck on the line for his teammates and the club when the chips are down . The player has made his stance crystal clear, he never wants to play for us again . As much as my heart says keep him and hope that he changes his attitude, my head tells me to get rid . Short term pain for long term gain . If you doubt where his heart lies, do yourself a favour and look at the reaction to his last goal for the team . I will admit that it was only a pre season match but it tells me all I need to know about him . Holding onto hope that things will change is like finding out your wife is unfaithful but still expecting to have a successful marriage . Cut all ties pick yourself up and find someone better . Personally, I suspect that this is the beginning of the decline of Barcelona . Their problems are much bigger than just Neymar leaving . Let Couts find out first hand that the grass isn't always greener on the other side . I wonder if Neymar is still going to advise his good chum that Barcelona is best for his future during the next international break given what has just transpired between himself and Barcelona . Whatever happens I won't be losing any sleep over it . I will be spending all my energy supporting the team that I love and the next hero who will undoubtedly emerge . Bobby, Mane, Trent, Solanke. the future is bright and we are on the rise. YNWA.

26 Aug 2017 01:55:09
Hes not world class.
Sell him and build a team that wants to earn success together.

For me he's another Fabrigas. All dreaming and conspiring to move to Barcelona then grow a beard sitting on the bench with his finger stuck in hiz mouth wondering.

LFC = NO.1.

26 Aug 2017 02:41:43
He makes the difference in the big games - City, Chelsea, Man Utd, Arsenal. Just looks at his goals/ assists in those games. That's what we'd lose if he goes.

26 Aug 2017 07:29:35
Haha the voice of reason from a united fan lol. He is a very good player but not quite in the echelons of world class im afraid. Maybe could be in the future but not right now. Will he be a miss, yes, can we still make strides without him, hell yeah.

Free pipco and let's move on to other targets/ discussions.

26 Aug 2017 14:33:03
Well said Swish.

27 Aug 2017 23:20:30
Ron, If he is unhappy and not available to play, there won't be any goals or assists against any team, bar Brazil.

25 Aug 2017 21:55:50
Deer Ed's and members, where do you play AOC if he comes to Anfield? D-mid?

25 Aug 2017 22:02:41
Left back. Left back at Melwood.

25 Aug 2017 23:08:30
Either wing, possibly in a center attacking mid role when we need a more robust midfield. can't see him as a defensive mid not in klopps system.

25 Aug 2017 23:39:33
I think he could thrive klopp likes workin with power and pace who got that, oxelaide Chamberlain.

25 Aug 2017 23:52:45
He's awful in the middle, he can't tackle, his positional sense is poor, his passing is awful, his shooting ability is prettt rotten and he has no composure on the ball. He should be nowhere near a starting place in central midfield.

26 Aug 2017 00:49:55
Center midfield as a backup. Good energy, work rate and enough speed. If Wijnaldum and Lallana have been converted to playing deeper than their usual positions, and close down and press, then Ox can too.

26 Aug 2017 01:15:43
ESPN is reporting tonight that he is closing in on a move to Chelsea.

26 Aug 2017 02:43:02
He speaks highly of you Les.

26 Aug 2017 14:34:18
Rotational player for Mane and Salah.

25 Aug 2017 21:04:26
Regardless of how good he is, i can't see a way back for phillipe. Get the best deal possible and improve the squad with best available. Thanks for what you've done, but time to move on.

25 Aug 2017 21:40:50
I can't see a way back. He's said he does not want to play for the club ever again and is refusing to train by all accounts. The most important thing is to rinse Barcelona for every penny they have, to bring in top class players to improve our starting 11, not squad filler like Oxlade Chamberlain.

25 Aug 2017 21:53:46
I see everyone bashing ox, and I agree, he most likely wouldn't be an improvement to our starting 11. he would, however, be a great option to have on the bench or as an option for weeks where we have games in quick succession or injury problems.

25 Aug 2017 21:55:00
We'll sell him last minute, buy Ox for a fraction of the price and then bank the rest. Call it negative but some supporters called this weeks ago.

25 Aug 2017 22:04:42
Canada_Red the mistakes we've constantly made in the previous transfer windows is by buying sub standard players to 'improve the squad'. Isn't it about time we went out and actually improved the starting 11?

25 Aug 2017 22:14:11
mr dennis, I understand he's not an improvement on our starting 11. my point is, at the moment we don't have much for depth. what happens if somebody gets hurt Sunday? lallana down, pipco doing his thing, leaves us Milner and some kids that need more experience.

25 Aug 2017 22:18:01
Or kept our best players?

25 Aug 2017 22:35:58
Although there are better players we could sign, Oxlade-Chaimberlain is the only one who may be available. Personally, I rate him, and I also think Klopp can get the best out of him.

25 Aug 2017 23:12:01
Keep in mind he his best years are ahead of him. Wenger wants him to stay and he's breaking into their squad now. The contract ending, as in Sanchez case, is the only reason they would be willing to let him go. because they risk losing him on a free.

25 Aug 2017 23:24:56
You understand Canada Red that buying a squad player or someone to play in the first 11 has the same effect.
+1 player, it just means a former 1st teamer sits on the bench (who is more useful than buying a benchwarmer) .

25 Aug 2017 23:36:39
jtred very good point and I agree 100%, rather buy a starting 11 player then a bench player all day! how many of them are available right now? I see 0. rather add somebody for depth on the bench, than nobody at all.

26 Aug 2017 07:34:56
So canada you are in favour of bringing someone in who does not improve the first team and blocks the progress of the very promising youngsters we have in the squad. Is he better than grujic in the middle? Not to my mind im afraid and that's why i would not be spending £35m on squad player.

25 Aug 2017 20:40:32
Appreciate the long hard slog eds. 1st time poster here but would to hear your opinion - my thinking in regards to all the "will he, won't he move" is the minute one of the following players get there way (couts, vvd, Keita, and Chamberlain) the flood gates will open and clubs will change there stance allowing players to move more freely. What's your thoughts? Are we waiting on someone showing there hand and then it's a free for all?

{Ed001's Note - no.}

25 Aug 2017 20:39:08
Apologies if another fan on this site has said it.

Alex OC can be a good addition in the centre of midfield for our style of play. He's had experience defensively and has that attacking threat in his locker.

Given our full backs do get quite far forward, he would provide good cover.

Lets always think of the positive guys!

25 Aug 2017 21:28:25
Experience defensively? Have you even watched him play in centre midfield? He's appalling in that position. He got torn a new butt hole by both Bayern Munich and France when played there, the reason? Because he lacks the ability and intelligence to play there.

25 Aug 2017 21:35:52
We don't play the same system as Arsenal.

25 Aug 2017 21:59:22
Mr Dennis, I can't disagree more with your posts. Yes Ox was inferior to Munich midfield and France midfield but his many games in a row has he played his favoured position and u cannot judge him on playing under Southgate or Wenger in that postion. He will flourish at Liverpool if he can stay fit and give us an added dimension.

Ur talking about top top sides in Munich and France . Given time to develop (he is still young) that can change. Now stop the doom and gloom.

25 Aug 2017 22:00:50
Irrelevant. The point being that when he played in a central position as one of a central three, he looked completely out of his depth. Hasn't the intelligence or skill to play there. We are weak enough through the middle without adding a complete liability to the starting 11.

25 Aug 2017 22:17:55
With a base of can and hendo he would be gown the freedom to make things happen. your judging him on. Couple of games. Narrow minded springs to mind.

25 Aug 2017 19:12:19
Hi Ed.

Since Couts has been "injured" would the club be entitled to not release him for international duty with Brazil?

Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - (1) He hasn't been injured, and (2) Then they could demand he travel and be assessed by the Brazilian team medical staff which could be incredibly embarrassing for the club.}

25 Aug 2017 20:01:27
Why would that be embarrassing Ed, I think it would embarrass pipco more as he would be seen as a liar. Maybe he actually is injured haha and we all saying bad things about him lol.

{Ed002's Note - If you don't understand there is no point explaining.}

25 Aug 2017 20:03:22
It'd be more embarrassing for the player who's been claiming injury than the club.

{Ed002's Note - OK.}

25 Aug 2017 20:39:30
Unless you're saying he's not injured or ill (as we all suspect) and that it's just how the club are spinning it rather than something that's coming from the player. E. g. He's saying he won't and the club have come out in the media saying he's injured rather than his refusal or he's pretending he's injured. So basically he goes to Brazil they confirm he's not injured and it's us who's been lying to the media rather than the player lying to the club- that could seem embarrassing I guess.

{Ed002's Note - The player has not made himself available to be picked or for training and the club do not want this played out in public - although there are idiots here who want him to make some interview to embarrass the player - but they have zero understanding of the matter. The club want the whole matter resolved behind closed doors and are starting to feel the impact of the stupid and unprofessional way they, and particularly Klopp, has dealt with transfers this summer.}

25 Aug 2017 20:44:06
Think you guys are missing the point our medical team and club has been going a long with his story. Am I right ed2.

{Ed002's Note - The club do nnot wish to discuss this publically.}

25 Aug 2017 21:17:23
The point being that the club has said he is injured. Not the player. He had made himself unavailable for selection as he wants to move to Barcelona. So if he plays for Brazil and not us you can see where his motives lie.

25 Aug 2017 22:06:24
He may just choose to party with Costa and not come back.

26 Aug 2017 00:35:01
Hopefully.

26 Aug 2017 04:36:48
Surely if he Plays for Brazil, it will show a complete lack of respect to LFC and the fans who indirectly pay his huge salary,

This makes the club look worse to the outside world.
IMO.

Anyway thanks for answering the original post Ed.

{Ed002's Note - When is the Brazil game?}

25 Aug 2017 17:55:20
All this coutinho nonsense is getting boring now, reports circling around he has told klopp he doesn't want to be selected for the champions league squad. Bloody pathetic, I loved the guy and think he a smashing footballer but the extremes he seems to be going to surely there isn't a way back. Take the money and try and invest it. Ed002 a question if I may?
Would this behaviour be just coutinhos own way of making the move or could Barcelona be suggesting he does this to force the move? I only ask as i can't imagine his actions look particularly favourable for him if he doing this of his own accord and could possibly make Barcelona slightly hesitant. Looks like vvd and coutinho have made there beds and may have to lie in them or eat some humble pie.

{Ed002's Note - Knowing his intermediary very well I very much suspect it is his doing. Right now I rather doubt he will do the interview like Raheem Sterling did to Liverpool, but a statement issued publicly like van Dijk would strike me as more likely.}

25 Aug 2017 20:40:36
Cheers for your response ed002. This has got to be driving you guys nuts and I can only imagine it is going to get worse for you guys. Can I ask if you have had any recent updates regarding transfers at all in the last 24/ 48 hours?

25 Aug 2017 21:07:42
Update : Nobody has signed for us, and nobody has left.
That is all.

25 Aug 2017 22:32:41
Ed002 is this not breach of contract. If players like Coutinho, VVD, Costa etc have valid contracts, surely making yourself unavailable when your not injured goes against the contract and the clubs can seek damages?

{Ed002's Note - they will not be taking legal action against the player. You all need to get rid of this obsession with money and contracts.}

26 Aug 2017 09:13:47
Does the intermediary share a name with a Korean car manufacturer who promise 7yr warrantees?
Or the first half of a well known drink that's "too orangey for crows"?

{Ed002's Note - Kia Joorabchian.}

25 Aug 2017 19:18:51
Much as i love Klipperty if he thinks Moreno is like a new signing and is outstanding then we have a problem.
Its going to be a fun ride guys with plenty of high scoring games but we won't win the league letting in 50 goals a season like we did with Rodgers.
Having said that i loved being at those games it was electric at Anfield.

25 Aug 2017 19:33:09
I would have much prefered him to come out and tell everyone he doesn't rate Alberto.

25 Aug 2017 19:43:15
Moreno needs confidence and that what Klopp is doing I think he will be part of the best defence in the league once we get going and I think most people here will agree what about u Ed.

{Ed002's Note - No, not at all.}

25 Aug 2017 19:44:52
Really? You want the manager to destroy a youngster who's spent an entire season out of the fold, without moaning, worked as hard as he could and regained his place?
That's a very strange call,

25 Aug 2017 20:05:33
accept the fact that Moreno will be first choice LB and Robertson is second choice LB this season for Liverpool.

25 Aug 2017 20:11:49
Klopp's hardly going to come out say: "We all like Alberto, but he can't defend for toffee and he'll be backup once we get Robertson over the messed up pre season he had at Hull. " is he?

He knows full well what Moreno's limitations are, or else Milner wouldn't have played left full all last season, and we wouldn't have bought Robertson in the summer. Once Robertson is fully fit, he'll play the majority of games, unless by some miracle of science he manages to be a worse defender than Moreno, which is unlikely.

25 Aug 2017 20:19:01
would you like your missus to public state you have a tiny willy and don't know how to use it?

{Ed001's Note - or perhaps for a bird to have a top selling song talking about how you naked doesn't impress her much?}

25 Aug 2017 22:52:47
Ed001

Would you mind if she had written the same song about you? I THINK NOT 😂😂😂😂.

{Ed001's Note - it's ok mate, no needs to know if it had been about me.}

25 Aug 2017 18:54:24
I actually think we won't sign anyone else before the window closes! Even if Couts goes. my issue with LFC is we seem to concentrate too much on players that have far too complicated contracts, we go about potential signings in the wrong manner I. e tapping up individuals and finally the players we look at are leaked to the media and social networks months before we do anything which enables their current club to ride out for as much as possible. We have a good squad but not a sufficient squad to compete in the main competitions.

25 Aug 2017 18:07:39
I would definitely take Ox. He is versatile, experienced in premier league and European football, adds depth to our squad and is still only 24 so can develop under Klopp!

25 Aug 2017 18:15:08
Defenders defenders defenders not attackers not ox not Sanchez from Munich defenders.

25 Aug 2017 18:19:30
He's going to chelsea 100%. Looks like we won't be signing anyone as klopp as said having miller and moreno is like having 2 new players so no cb and holding midfielder then so or the rubbish about having 150- 200 million on players ye rite the defence is a shambles and I mean a shambles.

25 Aug 2017 18:41:56
I would definitely NOT take ox. He's no improvement on what we have. He's a regression and would expect first team football.

25 Aug 2017 18:47:05
Ox has the potential to be world class, Ed will agree with me here. We both think he will be a great buy, and could end up being our best player.

{Ed001's Note - erm which ed?}

25 Aug 2017 18:48:13
If klopp thinks he can get by wid current squad all season he has a tin of beans for a brain.

25 Aug 2017 18:50:31
The Ed2 or 1 I think.

{Ed001's Note - it certainly wasn't me, sure it wasn't Ed025? He does like a joke....}

25 Aug 2017 18:54:15
Idk but i can't wait for him to be scoring 25+ gols for us evry season. How many do u think he will get.

{Ed001's Note - erm.}

25 Aug 2017 19:06:23
Ox world class and 25 + goals a season. If this didn't qualify for a banter page before it most certainly does now.

25 Aug 2017 19:10:31
I just can't understand how someone with 12 months on their contract can have media talk about £25 and £35m fees. The telcos paying such big tv rights is making it a crazy world.

25 Aug 2017 19:13:04
He has not even scored 25 his whole career.

25 Aug 2017 19:15:11
Yeah he will be world class Ed agrees don't no witch one. And 25 goals across the league, champions league and cups would be easy if he is as good as Ed says. We've got a great player on are hands guys YNWA.

{Ed001's Note - have you been drinking?}

25 Aug 2017 19:16:08
Ox as world class is possibly the funniest thing I've read all day. You know it's not April fools day?

25 Aug 2017 19:47:48
You know, one of the Eds.
Not you, 2,25 or 7, but one of them,

{Ed002's Note - Certainly not me. Perhaps the Everton fan said it?}

25 Aug 2017 19:26:01
I agree with 200sdE. If AOC joins liverpool, he will break the most goals in a single premier league season (which is 31 goals) easily.

BOOM.

25 Aug 2017 20:59:00
Just been watching Mickey Flanagan and had to turn it off coz this guy is much more funnier. The Ox world class and 25 goals a season player 😂😂.

25 Aug 2017 21:06:40
Hahaha 25 goals. The kid has scored 9 league goals over 4 years. Seriously if we sign him and he scores 25 goals I will run to anfield naked from southport.

25 Aug 2017 22:31:35
I assume that was all toungue in cheek. made me laugh nonetheless!

AOC for the golden boot then.

25 Aug 2017 17:50:59
Sorry all, I'm not a master tactician or massively experienced but AOC is a similar player to Can. My thoughts are that AOC could open the door to Can being sold to avoid him leaving on a free next year.

25 Aug 2017 18:10:11
Totally different players.

25 Aug 2017 18:13:58
Totally different . Ox better technical ability and is much quicker . Can is a powerhouse who it at his best driving forward and pressing .

25 Aug 2017 19:19:34
Ox is nothing like Can, Can has a far better range of passing, has better positional sense, is more composed on the ball and can actually shoot from distance. Oxlade is a headless chicken at best.

25 Aug 2017 17:29:03
No excuses now Gini boy, your little terrors out of the womb and ready for action, so let's hope your game steps up. Congratulations on the birth matey, don't let the wife make you do all the work like so often happens with children, I should know, besides you're the breadwinner in the household.

25 Aug 2017 17:33:05
He said thanks mate lol.

25 Aug 2017 17:50:13
Source?

25 Aug 2017 19:52:45
Show Zoom your payslips, he needs proof of income.

25 Aug 2017 17:09:36
I too am disappointed as of yet with our business in the transfer window. I do think we have done well with Sallah, Solanke, and Robinson, but our failure to bring our principle targets is disappointing. I do realise though that as much as we all love LFC thy are no longer the attraction they were to top players who have more attractive offers in there eyes . A t present time, one attraction we have apart from Cl is supposedly players wanting to play for Jurgen Klopp so I don't understand people being so critical of him because we have not signed some of the names being bandied about. I am sure he be trying to sign who he wants if they were available to come and wanted to come so we just have to see what happens in the next few days.

25 Aug 2017 17:20:46
I think we have a stronger squad than what people think tbh.

25 Aug 2017 17:24:36
The two main targets we want, want to move to Liverpool it's the clubs that won't sell.

25 Aug 2017 17:31:22
Hey eds seein as ajax got no euro footy at all should sum of there better players be more available like veltman, dolberg, ziyech etc.

{Ed001's Note - they already sold Sanchez to ensure they don't need money.}

25 Aug 2017 17:42:25
Our squad would be fine with just a couple of more quality additions otherwise we going to struggle when injuries come we had this last year an we didn't even have euro footy.

25 Aug 2017 16:37:43
All the players in the team are a bit confused as to why coutinho wants Barcelona, especially Firmino who can't understand why he doesn't want to stay at Liverpool ( I know the eds have been saying for ages he's been flirting with Barca) just passing on what I've been told, they all think it's a bit bizarre but aren't really getting involved, pretty sure Firmino wants a new deal though, also karius would be playing but needs to change his lifestyle, klopp isn't happy with him, personally I'd be giving Ward a chance now, also like I've been saying for months TAA is first choice now as far as I know.

25 Aug 2017 16:48:07
I would Karius a chance first cos he never got a really good crack of the whip as people were rooting for him to fail and as soon as he made a mistake, the "fans" turned on him. Ward is still inexperienced altho very talented, like Karius. Migs should never have been kept and Karius should have been kept in goal so he can learn and progress and if he is not the one, at least we would have known. Right now, we don't even know if karius is the answer.

25 Aug 2017 16:50:03
Nice one square how's joe getting on.

25 Aug 2017 16:46:24
Thanks ST always appreciate the input. How's Gomez doing? and what's the plans with him does he know? Assuming clyney becomes back up to TAA!

Cheers.

25 Aug 2017 18:26:39
Love to see your posts ST, glad to hear the squad isn't getting involved in the Coutinho saga hopefully they all crack on and perform. I agree with you about Ward I think he deserves a shot he had a great half a season at Aberdeen which Klopp ruined by calling him back followed by a great season at Huddersfield. I'd be happy to see Joe and TAA share RB duties this season and Joe getting a crack at CB in the cups both are looking sharp. Hope your right about Firmino looking to extend his stay he is the vital cog in the team.

25 Aug 2017 15:46:05
Hi Eds,

Sorry to be a pest, but with time running out do you feel we will still see players brought in and if so do you think it could be more than one. Not asking for names.

Thanks in advance, your work is much appreciated.

{Ed002's Note - RTFP.}

25 Aug 2017 15:54:02
What does RTFP mean Ed? Thanks.

25 Aug 2017 16:05:39
Ready to Fight posters.

25 Aug 2017 16:06:15
Read the posts.

25 Aug 2017 16:07:37
Rubbish tips frequently pong.

25 Aug 2017 16:13:46
It means "Reconsider Thoughts For Posting"

Obviously .

25 Aug 2017 16:17:22
It's a code aimed at Keita.

"Rent the Flippin Property"

25 Aug 2017 16:34:12
'Request Translation For Philippinos'

25 Aug 2017 16:49:33
"Right Time For Praying"

Fits well with ops worries haha.

25 Aug 2017 16:51:53
Really Tough For Philippe.

25 Aug 2017 17:20:45
Rong Thread For Pratts.

25 Aug 2017 17:26:10
love it mk.

25 Aug 2017 16:41:07
Rush The F#€}ng Point.

Little known fact: Ed002 is a huge FPS-gamer.

25 Aug 2017 18:14:51
Ready to flipping pop.

25 Aug 2017 19:52:34
it’s 'Really Time For Purchases'

25 Aug 2017 13:09:02
Hello Ed01, How do you rate Renato Sanches?

{Ed001's Note - I don't, I do not remember seeing him play.}

25 Aug 2017 13:37:16
Didn't look that good in the Euros under 21's.

25 Aug 2017 13:46:50
He was hyped a lot before the euros but I saw nothing more than a lot of enthusiasm from him.

25 Aug 2017 13:54:30
If his name was Richard smith the same hype wouldn't surround him!

25 Aug 2017 14:02:42
He would cost us 20 million more to buy though, English players always do.

25 Aug 2017 14:02:43
He looked awful against us. I pray we do not sign him.

25 Aug 2017 14:17:02
he is not awful at all! He is strong and has good technique. Fairly quick to distribute ball and fairly accurate with pass.

For me a very good talent and wouldn't say no, but doubt it will happen.

25 Aug 2017 16:09:35
"He looked awful against us, I pray we don't sign him" Your opinion on a player comes down to one game. A pre season friendly? 😩.

25 Aug 2017 16:24:36
Not into sanches all engine no end product.

25 Aug 2017 17:54:43
I've only seen him play at the euros really and he was quality there. I heard though that he's struggled settling in to a different culture though which could be a bit of worry for us.

25 Aug 2017 12:19:01
Klopp: Milner is like a new midfield signing! I'm fine with the defence!
Eds that doesn't sound good at all for signings?
He needs to take those F#%kin glasses off and give his head a wobble! That defence is far from fine!

{Ed002's Note - I would have thought that your world-class manager saying that would have put your mind to rest now.}

25 Aug 2017 12:30:49
Ed I'm sorry I doubted u when u said he wasn't the right man! He plays great offensive ball! But defensive is a disaster we are simply not going to out score every one!
I think out transfer business is done! A few more injuries and so will our season!

25 Aug 2017 12:33:40
He is slowly coming in terms with the FACTS! His target are simply unattainable and they have made it very late to find alternatives. I don't know whom to believe and who not to.

25 Aug 2017 12:32:49
No need for sarcasm Ed, we get it .

25 Aug 2017 12:36:23
I used to have sarcasm/ passive aggressive metre that I could use to determine how annoyed my wife was getting. Since accidentally reading Ed002's comments out loud, it has blown up.

25 Aug 2017 12:46:16
So u set one target of a cm and a cb? If that's true he need a slap any of those targets could of have a acl injury during the summer so then he's no plan b?

25 Aug 2017 12:52:19
No manager comes out and says yes our defence is terrible and all need replacing! Of course he's trying to bring people in. Give it a rest and support you're team!

25 Aug 2017 13:33:08
I often say to me bird, "don't worry, love, our love is strong and I would never cast my seedy little eyes at the young bird at work".

If she believes that then she's as gullible as some of us reds!

25 Aug 2017 15:13:43
Backing the defence in public. There's nothing wrong with that.

25 Aug 2017 16:01:22
Exactly Ed, Klopp is world class so I don't know why we all dnt trust him more. He knows what he's doing more thn is lot lol.

25 Aug 2017 11:58:41
Qn for Ed01 - How good was Tommy Smith and Ron Yeats in their heyday?

Would their style of play flourish in he modern day?

I think we are missing a real hard man in the team at the moment and wonder how they would do in the game as it's played nowadays.

{Ed001's Note - before my time mate.}

25 Aug 2017 12:27:55
They wouldn't get in a fourth tier team
That's how they would get on
Games changed

Vice Verda imagine sturridge/ coutinho the rat
Playing in 50/ 60s with a Casey
Noooo chance.

25 Aug 2017 12:39:59
Keeping in context with the Ex players, Ed01 if you are around. Why do you think the fans have forgotten Keegan. Often I think he doesn't get the recognition that he deserves. Some call him Daglish before Daglish. Never seen posters, songs or any kind of gestures for the man.

{Ed001's Note - because of the way he left and was replaced with the King.}

25 Aug 2017 12:47:57
i thought this was an interesting question so i asked my father about them, he seen them play, and scouseeater in his opinion your very wrong as he says if huth and shawcross can play in the premiership, yeats and smith could definitely play in the premiership as they where far better in his opinion.

25 Aug 2017 12:51:42
I was around to watch Tommy Smith and Ron Yeats in their heyday.
At that time Ron was pretty much unbeatable in the air and you didn't go anywhere near Tommy Smith unless you fancied a night in hospital.

In their day (let's not forget Tommy's goal in the European Cup Final) they were really special. But football has moved on and the hard men of the game are no more.

Players nowadays are super fit athletes and the rules have changed significantly since that time too.

Those two are, for me, an intrinsic part of the building blocks, along with a number of other players and managers, that are embedded in the history of Liverpool FC.

25 Aug 2017 13:09:31
You wouldn't see today's player's Inthe tiger club after the match and these where honerable men but then there was no Bosnian rule as. for play yeatsy was a tower in the middle and smithy had some class as well as steel with today's dietary and training methods they would have walked into today's team.

25 Aug 2017 13:26:26
For some reason, I don't remember Yeats that much, but definitely remember Tommy Smith. He was a mean looking, rugged brute that you'd want to stay the hell away from. Just like Souness or McDermott, you'd see them with the ball, and you'd want to step aside to let them get by, because they looked like they would run over you if you didn't. Unlike today's crop with manicured nails, gelled hair and matching multi-colored boots. I'll accept that maybe those players were not so gifted technically, but force of character drove them to the heights they all reached. Football was a far tougher game back then, and almost nobody ever looked at the réf when they landed on their butt. Just got back up, and got on with it.

25 Aug 2017 13:51:43
Ed01 - Before my time

I knew women always lied about their age ;)

{Ed001's Note - ouch!}

25 Aug 2017 15:02:37
Smith and Rowdy Yates?

Effectively like running into a brick wall.

{Ed025's Note - very strong, considering they had very little ability mate..

25 Aug 2017 16:47:28
There's a story about Tommy Smith giving Jimmy Greaves a slip of paper as they ran onto the pitch at Anfield.
The slip of paper (allegedly) was the day's menu at the Liverpool infirmary.
Apocryphal perhaps, but Smith was a very good player as well as a hard man and he would walk into our team today.

{Ed025's Note - i remember him as a strawberry nosed yard dog who kicked the player more than the ball...a real knuckle dragger as ED002 would say DJP..

25 Aug 2017 17:08:20
Look back at his performance in the '65 FA Cup win, and consider he scored a goal in a European Cup final.
Tommy Smith's image as a hard man has detracted from his reputation as a very good footballer.
The man is a legend.

25 Aug 2017 18:36:25
Yeats and Smith had ample ability but the game was a lot harder then. But make no mistake, they could play as well; if they had been training under today's fitness schemes they would still have done ok. Oh for a modern day Yeats-like figure in the heart of our defence.

25 Aug 2017 11:57:40
With the whole lack of activity in regards to signing a CB, I have a feeling the plan for this season is to make Joe Gomez the starting CB over the course of the season. I know he has been playing RB so far, but he's very capable at CB and I think soon enough he may overtake Lovren in the pecking order. I hope.

25 Aug 2017 12:13:38
Hopefully sooner rather than later. I think he is ready now.

25 Aug 2017 17:56:53
Klopp wants him to convert to a full back I feel. Klopp said that over the summer the club put Gomez on a diet that would cause him to lose muscle this making him that bit quicker and more agile and suiting the full back position.

25 Aug 2017 11:27:52
Morning Eds and Reds,

Question for the Eds.

We know that Chelsea have relationships with other teams throughout Europe and the rest of the world.

City Group are obviously building/ buying teams around the world as well.

And we all know about Red Bull and their multiple ventures throughout world football.

I was just wondering if Liverpool and FSG are looking at anything similar.

I know Chelsea's system is much less of a formal arrangement, and is more just a good working relationship with certain teams, so would probably be closer to what I would imagine Liverpool trying to do (provided we haven't p****d everyone off) .

Your views/ opinions on this would be very much appreciated.

Cheers in advance.

{Ed002's Note - The relationships between Chelsea and other sides for loan players and what City Group cannot be compared. Certainly FSG are not in the position to be buying clubs all over the world and would not be looking to do so. Liverpool has not got a structured approach to dealing with loan players just yet but are aware of the shortfall. But before looking to build relationships with any other sides they need to get the structure in place and tested out.}

25 Aug 2017 11:39:12
Cheers Ed :)

Would be good to see us sort out the loan system and use it properly. I'm not advocating a system where we buy loads of players and loan them all out in the hope some come good, but a more measured approach where we pick the right loans for the right players to get them the first team football they need.

Like you have said previously the reason Chelsea's loan system works is because they keep regular contact with the players and they aren't just left to fend for themselves while away from the club.

For me we have quite a few players who would benefit from a good loan but I'm scared about the club sending them out on loan because historically they have done nothing for the player at all.

{Ed002's Note - Yes, you are right. If a player goes on loan you need him to be playing regularly and training regularly and to some extent growing up.}

25 Aug 2017 12:04:30
Would having a proper reserve team league nation wide that runs parallel to tha A team league.

This way clubs could develop players to suit their own system of play rarher tban hoping another club will do it.

I know the loanee club pays a proportion of wages etc. But this B league, if it was run correctly could be self funding and would be more beneficial to young players who are potential first team prospects.

{Ed002's Note - They do, it is called Premier League 2 and Liverpool are away at Arsenal in it tonight.}

25 Aug 2017 12:49:13
I hear you Ed but the PL2 feels like mostly kids still, do you think that'll change?

Feels clubs still heavily reliant on loans to bridge the gap from junior leagues to PL, and most kids would benefit from a year or two of competitive football to develop and prove themselves amongst experienced pros before taking the next step.

Crazy idea perhaps, but if FSG were to buy a club in the championship or a league down, made sure it was run professionally and wasn't a financial drain, I'm sure it would benefit from having the best Liverpool u23s coming in on loan, while Liverpool could pick from the very best that prove themselves without needing to pay a fortune in transfer fees.

Or is that the worst idea ever?

{Ed002's Note - It is Under 23s. FSG are not going to be buying a Championship club.}

25 Aug 2017 14:18:05
True but it would be fun watching some of the u23s migrate to a championship club we could all support!

Thought Huddersfield might be the one with Wagner and all, but then those cheeky gits went and got themselves promoted - and have carried on winning too.

25 Aug 2017 16:25:35
I know the u23 is the premier B but it bears little comparison to the A league.

It seems more for developing the young players with an allowance for a few over 23s

If it were balanced the other way, say 70%/ 30% older to youngerthen the games would be similar to the first team in quality and physicality, which in turn would better preparation for rhe younger lads.

25 Aug 2017 10:35:58
If couts does make a public plea to leave as is being rumoured, I don't see a way back for him. I can see a situation where he is gone and we don't have anyone else coming in until January. The club have made a mess of what should have been a great summer.

25 Aug 2017 10:56:03
Did Suarez shut himself out the team when he tried pushing a move to Arsenal? Players come and go, get led by there agents at times and make stupid decisions. If every player "had no way back" after wanting to move then there would have been a lot more transfers in the history of the game.

{Ed002's Note - Suarez threatened legal action against the club.}

25 Aug 2017 11:35:16
He sure did but at least he didn't get his mummy to phone in sick for him - I'm joking.
Look, nobody knows what's going on behind the scenes.
How do we know for example if he and Klopp genuinely did or did not fall out over the Summer? We don't.
It's very simple in my book, if a fair offer comes in with straight up payments, let him go.
I know it's unpopular to say it but the lad is human, he has childhood dreams he wants to live out.
I know we'll be weaker unless he's replaced but sometimes we need to see the bigger picture.
I believe we would let him go if a fair offer is made, so in my book it's Barcelona who need to make this right not us.
We in turn should fix the situation with Southampton and Van Dijk if we can - overpay if needed as we have messed them and the player about.

25 Aug 2017 11:36:50
Let's face it, your average footballer isn't that sharp and they are easily led by their agents, who at the end of the day are after money alone. They are young men being manipulated by sharks. One club men like Carra and Le Tissier are few and far between. Enjoy them while that stay, and respect them afterwards if they deserve it.

25 Aug 2017 11:39:54
Let Coutinho go that's what I think, we've done fine without him so far so take the money (as long as price is right) and re invest in 3 players, CB, CM and winger. If we could bring in VVD or Koulibaly defence is stronger, If we bring in Keita for CM yes we lose the creativity of Pipco but Keita might well turn out to be an absolute world beater and bring in Ox because Klopp likes him and he'd fit our system. For me signing 3 players like the above 3/ 4 mentioned we're a stronger side.

25 Aug 2017 12:22:59
Nice one Kev.

25 Aug 2017 13:08:12
Good thing you don't run the club, RedTed. Cos next time, it will be Bobbie, then Mane throwing the same crap up just to get a move. Then, what do you do then? How do we compete by selling our best players w/ o putting up some fight to keep them at least for a couple more season, all cos they threw a pathetic tantrum? If you really think we can do w/ o Cou esp. w/ o a replacement in sight then, you are leaving in an alternate reality.

25 Aug 2017 17:53:33
BingoRed let's be honest Coutinho doesn't want to be at the club I can't see him playing to the level he did last year despite it being a World Cup year. He's handed in a TR so there is the desire to leave the club yes he's one of our best players but when a better team come after players they usually get their man. Mane and Firmino haven't asked to leave so that's irrelevant.

There will be interest in Mane but I genuinely think he'll stay at the club for many years to come because he is the one player that can take us to the next level imo not Coutinho. We compete by improving other areas of the team, if Coutinho goes which he probably will imo by singing a CB who's better than we currently have, a CM who has the potential to be a world class player (Keita) and someone to add extra depth and quality Ox we're a better team than Coutinho staying and only signing one of those players. I know what I'd rather have and that's having players 100% committed to the club!

25 Aug 2017 18:08:16
Bingo red Coutinho should leave because he isn't 100% committed to the club and won't be again. I feel like we might as well get as much money as we can and te invest in some quality players, Redted is right when he says we'll be stronger for it. I personally would like to see VVD, Keita/ Seri and Ox. Maybe even Lanzini could come in. We lack depth that is my biggest concern so for me sell Coutinho and bring in 3/4.

26 Aug 2017 03:24:59
Let him go and reinvest the money? Have you been living under a rock lfcleon? We can't invest the money we have never mind what ever they want to pay for coutinho, we are a complete shambles of a club, an embarrassment.

25 Aug 2017 09:42:50
Hi Eds,

Was wondering whether it would be possible to increase the number of Banter pages as on days like these when the sites is crowded and there is a lot of traffic even 4 pages aren't enough. As someone who reads every page all the time but rarely posts I sometimes wish we could read back a bit more. Thank you.

25 Aug 2017 10:49:36
Story of my life, bashing too much.

{Ed002's Note - That doesn't surprise me.}

25 Aug 2017 11:34:53
Maybe a criticism page? Since there is a lot of negative Nancy's on here 😂.

25 Aug 2017 18:04:20
I'd be up for a Roasted by Ed002 page. Could advertise the appreciation society as well.

25 Aug 2017 08:36:09
Hi eds. Lots of Moreno bashing lately and fully deserved. The lad has plenty of pace and good attitude but no positional sense, rashly dives into tackles when standing is better, exposes his cb's every game, can't cross and never seems to learn from mistakes. My question is, what do you think klopp sees in him to play him ahead of robertson. We all see Moreno as a huge accident waiting to happen but not klopp. why.

{Ed025's Note - because klopp is all about attack gabriel and has not got a defensive bone in his body, nice to watch but will always be his downfall mate..

25 Aug 2017 08:44:59
Because Robertson isn't up to speed with his fitness levels for how we play, it's why he's been eased in gently.

25 Aug 2017 08:50:03
I have no issues with his " All out philosophy. " If he knows how to execute it! Manchester city aren't the messiah of total football! Another highly entertainers with expensive jackets! Have you ever brought how is Kyle Walker getting a start at City? Honestly I don't know!

25 Aug 2017 08:59:19
It's great to watch and I wouldn't want it any other way. Its Liverpool way let's keep it like that.

25 Aug 2017 09:31:38
Scares the sh*ep out of me watching our red men ;)

25 Aug 2017 09:38:15
So you wouldn't want us winning the league mighty red? Because that ain't happening with that shambles of a defence.

25 Aug 2017 10:07:18
We barely conceeded with Rafa and couldn't win the league so let's not put all the eggs in that basket.

25 Aug 2017 11:14:49
The problem is even at 3 up we look like collapsing every game at about 75 minutes. we need to learn to close a game out.
Also all out attack is great when your forwards are firing. but there will be periods they don't, and if your as brittle as we are then the whole season ends at that point. ie January collapse last year. out of 2 cups and out of title in a 6 week period.

25 Aug 2017 10:24:12
So he the german kevin keegan ed 25 yeah haha.

{Ed025's Note - only without the curly wig hailstones..

25 Aug 2017 07:30:16
Is Phil still ill?

25 Aug 2017 07:37:38
Until at least the end of the transfer window, yes.

25 Aug 2017 07:44:41
Phill is ill and Zed is dead.

25 Aug 2017 08:15:43
Give up on this lads. Everyone knows what is going on. He is doing his best to get what has clearly been his dream move for a while.

If he doesn't get it which I hope he doesn't it will do no good whatsoever for fans to start making things worse for him. He is going to feel great disappointment and embarrassment I imagine and I believe as fans we can help him reintegrate quicker with huge support. Rather than cascading him and deepening hurt feelings. It will help no one. Certainly not Phil, certainly not liverpool fc and not even yourself as I'm sure like me you are hoping to see coutinho firing us to titles.

25 Aug 2017 08:36:57
"Who's Zed? "

"Zed's dead, baby. Zed's dead. "

25 Aug 2017 08:58:10
Does his mam ring in sick for him like in school?

25 Aug 2017 08:59:07
Great post, Davey. There is no point making a bad situation worse. He will be distraught to not get his move (not really our fault as Barcelona was trying to screw us with that pathetic bid) . Suarez did way worse than this and we still welcomed him back after he was appropriately dealt with, in-house. We should treat him like a family member who crossed us. We are mad and disappointed with one arm and then, use the other arm to welcome him cos in the end, he is ours.

25 Aug 2017 11:37:03
Yeah I am still in 😅.

25 Aug 2017 17:38:44
He has become a challenge to medical science! They are still trying to find more about the virus! I hope he comes back that front 4 of Phil, Bobby, Mane and Salah would probably win us the league!

25 Aug 2017 05:53:52
My nan was hangin out her bloomers last night when she caught the wiff of something on the wind.

Forget keita and vvd, renato sanches and howedes will be liverpool players before the end of the window.

My nan is usually quite good with this stuff, the last one she sniffed out rushie returning from juve!

Dont shoot the messenger lads.

25 Aug 2017 08:23:40
Your nans nose got sidetracked howedes going to juventus.

25 Aug 2017 08:26:59
Is Howedes joining via Juventus, then?
I would never shoot the messenger. Just the fantasist.