Liverpool Banter Archive November 24 2016

24 Nov 2016 22:44:09
Arsenal fan in peace. Just wanted to say I loved Steve G. Loved watching him play and probably my favorite PL player (outside of Bergkamp, Henry, etc., of course :) )

Was a fantastic player for your club (and for England) and can't think of any/ many (? ) midfielders like him playing the game today.

Wish him all the best for the future.

25 Nov 2016 00:43:08
There were 2 years when we had Gerrard and Torres together in their prime and that for me was the best attacking duo I have seen.

I only wish they had managed to sustain it for longer than that. We'd probably have a few league titles! Sadly, injuries ruined both players before they even hit 30.

Hopefully Gerrard does the sensible thing now and starts his coaching for an academy or as a backroom coaching staff. Cut his teeth. It's hard to imagine him not being an inspirational man manager. And he won't suffer fools or disrespect. I am quietly optimistic about him as a manager actually. I think it might suit his personality. He always wanted to be the boss, and as manager he can be.

{Ed007's Note - Do you not think this is all just romantic nonsense? If anything Gerrard will become the next Allardyce or 'Arry Redknapper, the day of chest thumping managers without any tactical nuance are long gone. The only plus point for Gerrard ever getting near the Liverpool job is because he was such a great servant to the club,.

'It's hard to imagine him not being an inspirational man manager. And he won't suffer fools or disrespect.'

Roy Keane, Stuart Pearce, Di Canio..... Arsenal fans used to say the same about Tony Adams!}

25 Nov 2016 01:47:46
MK, Ed is right. If his conduct off the pitch towards the end of his LFC career is anything to go by then Yes, it is hard to imagine him being an inspirational man manager. I don't live in the emotional. I live in reality and NOTHING suggests that he will be a good manager just because he had a great career here. That's how a poor, incompetent Alan Pardew (whose career is nowhere as great as SG's) got the Palace job and had he not been English, he would have been shown the door during last season. As Ed said, managers like Pardew are being shown up to be yesterday 's news and coaches like Edie Howe are the new breed. All in all, SG should be a youth coach at the club as he will be a role model and inspiration to the kids who grew up watching him and if he wants to be LFC manager in the future, he should go cut his teeth elsewhere, not here as is passion for the club will cloud his coaching judgment calls.

25 Nov 2016 02:14:16
John Barnes.

25 Nov 2016 03:19:08
Gerrard inspired by example on the pitch. That doesn't necessarily translate when he needs to motivate a team verbally or choose tactics. Time will tell whether he has the intelligence and acumen to be a manager but he's going to need a different skill set than those he used on the pitch.

25 Nov 2016 06:41:28
People keep on saying there's nothing to indicate Gerrard will be a good coach but is there anything to indicate he would be a bad one? I know if I was a youngster coming through i would play out of my skin every game for him. Give the guy a chance if that's what he wants to do, he is a legend.

{Ed001's Note - exactly what most people are saying, get him in with the kids where he will, at the very least, inspire them. Then we can find out how good, bad or indifferent he is as a coach.}

25 Nov 2016 06:56:41
Gerrard and Henry are two of the most stand out players on a football pitch I've seen live. Gerrard was such a massive influence when he was on the ball driving forward and watching Henry was like watching a race horse in action. Great memories watching games they played in ( seeing them on tv never did them justice)

25 Nov 2016 08:04:48
Hi Hamilton do you ever not agree with the Eds?

25 Nov 2016 10:38:18
Personally I think he could well turn out to be a very good man manager, he'll have no problems motivationg players and he will command respect, but I do think he'll need a good tactically minded assistant to help him, a bit like Klopp and Buvac. I also think he could be a good no2 to Southgate for England.
I think he'll get a coaching role with our youths and will be guided and tutored by Klopp and the coaching staff, which is exactly what he needs. What Klopp said yesterday made me think that there's an offer on the table.

25 Nov 2016 11:57:03
This thread is an example why Stevie G should not be anywhere near the club at present, he will bring too much of a circus with him and the media will always be waiting for him to slipup. (no pun intended)

25 Nov 2016 12:09:28
i remember when koeman was manager of benfica and flopped so I thought he was a rubbish coach even though he was a world class player. but shows that even if gerrard isn't a great coach at first if he is given time and works hard that he could improve a lot. just don't get why everyone is getting on his back before he's even started.

25 Nov 2016 15:35:42
Walkon, you can ask the Ed`s how much battle we`ve gone to on issues over the years and they themselves will tell you. I agree with them mostly because they show me insight into the game and the club that you can`t see on TV or in the newspaper articles. I live in the States hence, they give us feedback on what`s happening in the background which helps to form better opinons on issues. I agree that I`m not a know it all and I`m willing to learn. You?

25 Nov 2016 17:27:05
You cannot put Psyco Pearl in that bracket. Any manager who plays David James upfront is clearly inspired and way ahead of all other managers.

24 Nov 2016 20:04:30
I'd like to see everyone's comment before the eds comment, this is just silly what if. Top four is Liverpool Chelsea Arsenal city. Leicester win the CL. United win Europa. Everton come fifth, Southampton sixth and Stoke seventh. West Ham win the FA cup and west brom the league cup. How many teams go CL and how many in Europa?

Could add Swansea have the best disciplinary record in Europe but I won't.

24 Nov 2016 21:43:38
The same amount of teams that there would be if none of this happened.

24 Nov 2016 21:54:58
I believe that Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Leicester and Man Utd would be in the Champions League. Fourth place Man City would drop to the Europa as the cup winners take priority. West Ham would join them and West Brom would go into the Europa League qualifying stages. Poor Everton, Saints and Stoke would miss out despite strong league positions!

I think haha! Correct me if I'm wrong!

24 Nov 2016 22:07:15
From my understanding of the rules:

In the exact scenario you explained, Liverpool Chelsea Leicester and Man U go into Champions league, Arsenal West Brom and West Ham go into the Europa.

As a side note, If Swansea qualified as the best disciplined team, then they would go into the Europa league, but not at anyone else's expense. It is considered an additional position I think.

Well, I gave it a go haha!

24 Nov 2016 22:37:54
Mr. C and Reid the Red have it right.

25 Nov 2016 02:20:51
If your aunt had balls she'd be your uncle!

24 Nov 2016 16:07:33
Loan updates are going missing.

25 Nov 2016 06:27:35
Sorry sirtoto 😔
Broke my phone and changed jobs. Not had a spare moment to do them. Hopefully things will get back to normal next week.

25 Nov 2016 22:47:13
23carragold site legend.
Good luck in yer new job.

24 Nov 2016 13:15:10
Ed002. FIFA let's Israel play in European competitions. THAT's political.

{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with FIFA and it is nothing to do with politics. Israel is a member of UEFA and therefore allowed to play in European competition. UEFA has plenty of transcontinental states (Azerbaijan, Russia, Turkey, Kazakhstan etc.).

24 Nov 2016 13:33:15
Except Israel is not even transcontinental. Not even close.

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware anyone is suggesting it is.}

24 Nov 2016 13:37:03
I was just saying that in reference to you saying UEFA allow many transcontinental nations.

{Ed002's Note - They do, there are exceptions all over the world - three South American countries are in CONCACAF, Australia is in the Asian confederation etc..}

24 Nov 2016 14:01:25
ed I was just wondering how appeal will work because aren't English, Scottish, welsh boards part of institution that make and govern the rules? surely they will just vote to not punish themselves.

{Ed002's Note - No, that is not how FIFA is structured. The individual FAs are members of UEFA and the only British representative, as far as I recall, on the FIFA Executive Committee is David Gill. If it goes that far, and I very much doubt it will, the Disciplinary Committee will hear the case and hand out any sanctions it deems approriate.}

24 Nov 2016 23:40:55
thanks ed out of the transcontinental nations you mentioned Kazakhstan has always confused me the most it has a massive border with china haha.

{Ed002's Note - Try not to get confused over such matters.}

24 Nov 2016 09:38:22
Ed why is fifa Banning both players and fans from wearing poppies? Seems absurd.

{Ed002's Note - Because they are classing the symbol as "political" - I agree it is nonsense.}

24 Nov 2016 10:47:09
It's pure disrespect. I find it disgusting they can get away with it. Politics don't come into it so dunno what they're giving it. Its a sign of appreciation, respect and what not. To ban it is complete and utter ridiculous. We can't hang our flags out during the world cup, they ban poppies. What next.

24 Nov 2016 11:52:06
For FIFA to lecture anyone is laughable. An organisation that had been shown to be corrupt from the top downwards It's a joke.

24 Nov 2016 13:43:01
FIFA should look at they own people first . If it was not they people going to war we would not be he or have a FIFA .

24 Nov 2016 14:32:06
FA should disregard this ruling and encourage Poppy wearing for Rememberance purposes.

Fine the team, dock points, do your worst FIFA. You're the most corrupt organisation in sport and have no integrity.
Let FIFA ban the home nations, form a break away organisation and we'll see who comes out smelling of roses (or should that be poppies) 😎.

24 Nov 2016 12:13:05
Whilst I think they are wrong in this instance I do respect their stance on keeping politics out of football.

24 Nov 2016 15:45:55
As do I muscatred but this has bugger all to do with politics. As always, spot on Ron.

24 Nov 2016 17:02:06
I'd prefer FIFA to focus on keeping corruption, racism, hooliganism and homophobia out of football.

24 Nov 2016 18:04:49
Easy argument is to claim that it's the symbol of the Royal British Legion Charity (which is entirely truthful - the buying and wearing of poppies is a fundraising activity for a single charity) . On that basis the wearing of poppies is not appreciably different to Barcelona wearing shirts with UNICEF on then (which incidentally, as a UN charity, has far more political links), or fans wearing the prostate cancer 'man' badge who are official partners of the FA. To face charges on such a thing is ridiculous and it's fairly shocking that in the face of all the corruption in FIFA, this is what they focus on.

24 Nov 2016 20:27:19
I agree that wearing of poppies should be allowed and cannot see the sense in banning but in war there is always winners and loses so fifa could argue that there is a political edge. If the Nazi's won WW1 or WW2 would we feel the same? Besides we're remembering the fallen of all of our countrymen, we have battled Al quida (spelling) and fifa may be worried about repercussions. I'm a big poppy wearer and attend every remembrance day parade, my girls March with the girls brigade just trying to show the possible other side, not much of one I agree.

24 Nov 2016 20:42:10
There is no other side IMO. We're talking about people who gave up their lives in all wars.

Why are FIFA getting involved? Why aren't FIFA tackling hooliganism, racism, corruption, homophobia, child sex abuse?
Instead they want to impose their ridiculous views on a nation who wants to commemorate it's fallen heroes.
Tells you all you need to know about FIFA. About as evil and corrupt bunch of self-serving leeches you could ever come across.
I just hope their are some sponsors of FIFA who have a conscience and pull their money out of their grubby hands.