Liverpool Banter Archive May 24 2012

 

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24 May 2012 23:32:17
im not talking conspiracy or smokescreens, but i find it weird that the owners are keeping their cards so tight all the time and act so public with the one candidate we know of. any announcement must be close??
leni


They haven't acted public with anyone as far as I can tell. What have you heard from the owners? It's all come from Dave 'let's raise my public profile' Whelan

cozinoz


 

 

24 May 2012 23:32:04
That pic is not conclusive althougth the fact that martinez is in the u.s says a lot to me. I think we can put the cavani, robben and other such big name, big wages rumours to bed. They're not splashing out on a big name manager so i can't seethem doing so with players. We're watching the pennies from now on guys at least until the stadium is sorted. I'm not completely sold on martinez but i'll certainly be giving him every chance. Good luck (he'll need it!)
RealisticRed


Wow. you can really read alot into a picture! perhaps you should run for the managerial position!


Good post mate give him a chance i believe it will work,other clubs fans seem to think we dont give managers a chance anymore but this is false as we have always given our managers a chance its up to us know to get behind him and sing our hearts out to show our support COME ON THE POOL -THE POPE


 

 

24 May 2012 23:30:09
its a fake pic go on google image and check it out it was an old pic of jh with some other dude


Not a fake pal.

Phukkit


 

 

24 May 2012 23:23:46
Why the row over picture? All over Sky they were meeting in Miami


 

 

24 May 2012 23:21:24
All these pictures prove is we are talking to him nothing is set in stone yet


Agreed.

But this casual scene bodes very well for Martinez. Henry is clearly comfortable with him.


 

 

24 May 2012 23:18:00
Really don't want Martinez to sign Moses! Hopefully he will take a look at the players we have scouted for ages like Luuk de Jong and muniain!

Square tomato


We can't always assume that just because Martinez has come from Wigan that he will automatically sign players like Victor Moses. For all we know Martinez could have been looking at Soldado, Gaston Ramirez or someone like Luuk De Jong for months and months thinking 'I'd love to sign them, but I'd never get them to Wigan.'
We just don't know. He may surprise us (assuming he gets the job like).

Dazza


I'd take all three. lol.

BJH YNWA


If we get a DOF mate the new manager might not be allowed, to make those choices.

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96


If we do get Martinez then I hope he brings McCarthy over with him...


Why do people assume that Martinez would want Wigan players. For all we know, he might convince the owners to land Hazard, Cavani et al. He is not an idiot! Infact, I would say he knows how to get the best out of mediocre players.


Wouldn't mind diame and al habsi. Diame as back up for the wonderfull Lucas!
AnfieldUSA


He can bring Moses, McCarthy and Rodellega (free transfer) with him as well. Martinez has only ever had 2 major manager roles. Swansea are now in the premiership largely down to the foundations which he put in place there and Wigan who he has kept up for the past 3-4 seasons. I would be happy with this appointment. Martinez /van gaal/Laudrup for me. Any of them!
jonnybarnes89-90


 

 

24 May 2012 23:13:17
I can't believe how many people have got the sixth sense or crystal balls around here.

So many people are saying if we get this manager we'll get relegated or if we get this manager we'll win the league.

Do me a favour give me the lottery numbers and support whoever FSG put in place, cause i honestly believe they are looking to do the best for the club. And people who are saying they are out to destroy us, grow up!!
Don't worry, be happy!!
SA


SA mate we need 3/4 world class players to compete and a proven manager who has got reputation eg,anceloti murinho pep guardiola I am 1000% sure if we get any above manager we ara back where we belong even dutch manager is fantastic. Who can take us foward


Why would we need a 'proven' manager to have a good team and do well? That doesn't make any sense and the past bears that out. Was Kenny proven when he first took over? Guardiola? Any number of other people?

For me, I care much less about who the manager is or where he comes from. It could literally be an actual Muppet and I wouldn't care so long as the results are good, the play entertaining, and the team competitive. Unfortunately, we won't know if any of those things are true until we actually kick the ball around a bit (unless someone is out there with a time machine).

RDL


Wrong a proven manager doesn't guarentee anything. Pep Guardiola wasn't a proven manager when he took on barca, yet look what he achieved. Don't be narrow minded.


None of the managers mentioned are going to come to our club. get that straight.


I feel really sorry whoever is going to take over. Cause a few bad results and he is going to be ripped apart, especially Martinez. If he is employed the papers will say 'we scrapped the bottom of the barrel', the owners will get stick from supporters saying they turned away from Rafa.

People need to accept that the owners have a vision for the club and Rafa would not fit in that vision, he would want total control.

Everyone needs to start somewhere, whoever is employed i really hope it is the start of something great and I would love nothing more for it to be an unfavoured manager. And to be honest I am excited by the prospect and potential and will support whoever is employed.

On signings, I don't think we need a proven world famous manager to sign decent players or turn the club around. The name of Liverpool FC still has great pull across the world and especially if players see it as a project (a work in progress) alot of players would be excited to be a part of bringing the sleeping giant that is LFC back to the top.

Plus having a team full of world class players is not the key to success, you need a few sure! but you also need grafters who will put their souls on the line for the club and the team. You need a balance.
Dont worry, be happy!
SA


 

 

24 May 2012 23:09:18
Why is it that Dave whelan seems to be the only mouthpiece regarding the new manager?

Can we construe from this that fsg are behaving in the true traditions of lfc, namely everything is behind closed doors until its signed and sealed, despite the countless rumours flying around....or are they hamming it up for the fox cameras in the US?

I sincerely hope they don't play it out under that premise, otherwise any goodwill they have generated will be blown out of the water


I would have thought the fact that they own a sports television network NESN would mean that they would use that to release any info rather than fox.
jonnybarnes89-90


 

 

24 May 2012 23:05:33
Why is everyone going mental about this photo? The Wigan chairman himself said Martinez is in Miami to speak to Liverpool, why does this photo of someone who is definitely not (imo) Henry even matter?

The facts are we're speaking to more than one manager and there's nothing more to report about Martinez than we're talking to him.

Whelan has given him a week after he gets back from his holidays to let him know if he wants to go to Liverpool or not. So worst case we'll know if it's going to be Martinez in 10ish days? (guessing) We'll probably learn our new manager in the same time frame even if it isn't him.


 

 

24 May 2012 22:52:46
ok a new photo of martinez and henry released this time from another angle with the person taking the first photo in this pic ...its defo real....


 

 

24 May 2012 22:49:26
Hi Eds & Reds,

Bang on Macca. As i said earlier, you cannot build a house without laying the foundations. For the last nearly 25 years this what we have been trying to do and it has not worked. FSG have come in and invested a hell of a lot money, saving us essentially , now they are going about making it a long term viable business, dragging the club into the 21st century.

As for out next manager, if it is to be Martinez, get behind him and support him. Okay i have said i would prefer Van Gaal as manager but if Martinez is appointed or whoever else, we have to get behind him.

In a way you have to feel sorry for whoever is appointed because they are been condemned here before they even appointed, in Martinez situation, he's only been interviewed.

As clubs song is You'll Never Walk Alone, those who sing and listen to the words as they do know what it means to a LFC supporter. We ALWAYS stand together, through thick and thin, through good and bad and we ALWAYS support each other.

I would be realistic in saying that we are no where near winning the league but we are capable of achieving champions league football. From there we build on that and put the roof on the house by winning the premiership.

Kenny Daglish brought the club and the fans closer together when he was appointed 18 months ago, that in itself a stepping stone, so lets build on this further and get behind the owners and whoever they may appoint as director of footbal and manager.

For all those who criticise FSG, they have short memories, we were within 48 hours of going into administration and they saved us. Now they are restructuring our club so it can be a long term success.

We all have varying points of view as to be who should be appointed, whoever it maybe, MUST have our support as we can ill afford not to.

In relation to FSG, we do not have an Abromovich or Sheik Monsour type, who literally are throwing a shed load of cash at team in the hope of finding long term sucess, short term it may work, but certainly not in the long term, especially with the financial fair play rules that are coming into place to which both clubs are far from compliant. We have have a global following that Chelsea and Manchester City could only dream of, FSG know that and i trust they fully intend to exploit that.

The good times are not far away folks, so through the wind and the rain,lets stand together and get behind our club as a whole.

Rebel_Red


Very rarely do you get to read such a well thought of post on this site. keep it up.


 

 

24 May 2012 22:47:52
Concerning the so called picture of J W and Roberto, there is two pics on Anfield road website, one from the side and one from the front, they are taken by the same guy and posted on twitter. If the pictures were real how can the same guy take the two pics at the exact same time? Something not quite right there! Check it out Eds and let us know what you think.

Mark JFT96


Well donr genius, they wernt taken by the same person, 2nd photographer got the 1st photographer in his photo, its 100% real, stop clutching at straws, i know its bad, but martinez looks like hes coming our way


Similar times sure, exact same time not a chance, you can see in the first photo the are nearly level with the short guy in the straw hat or whatever, in the second image they look to be 5/10 meters on.

Plus you can see the taker of the first photo in the second picture wearing the blue T-shirt with brown shorts, guessing one guy uploaded but there was 2 shooters.

Ska-oop {Ed016's Note - It's real, get over it)


 

 

24 May 2012 22:42:43
some people think its fake, could be there is no shadow for martinez but one for henry and the other person


 

 

24 May 2012 22:42:20
Why is everyone creaming themselves over FSG !?

- Roy Hodgson compo ; a reported £4m
- Kenny sacked after a year and a bit. Fair do's for a lot of fans. But who hired him ? Compo, a reported £4m per year (though not sure if he took that)
- Steve Clarke ; what's happening there ?
- Comolli ; least said the better
- the so-called 'deadwood' ; any of us on here could have told them what to do there
- stadium ?
- continuity and forward planning ; err, what ?
- Suarez affair ; only Kenny who put his head over the parapet, and looked what happened to him
- the new structure ; I thought it was the DoF in first ? Or what is the structure ?
- transfers ; see above

Stop tub-thumping. We're one of their investments, ask some Red Sox fans and see what they think of the investment needed at LFC to compete in the PL. The second word could well be "off".

FSG have got it all to do, in my eyes.
Well, a lot to do anyway. Sorting the stadium issue will put me at ease, but until then..

The Real KB


Spot on post. Glad to see somebody can see through all the spin & BS.


KB, I appreciate your concerns and the lack of official press release so far however I see it as they have been stabalising initially while determing the issues. Over the 18 months they have determined where they see issues that need management for their plan and have now gone into action to fill these gaps through due process. Lets give them a couple of weeks to get things sorted around the management stucture, of which two have been named on the LFC website and welcome to both. Lets make our judgements at the end, not before anyone has been appointed. I am personally quite excited by the prospect on the rebirth of our reds with a plan, as opposed to what we have done for the last 20+ years.

AK


The Real KB mate,

You have made some valid points, FSG have realised they have made mistakes, everyone has realised that. The appointment of Hodgson was disastrous, Daglish did not turned out they way everyone hoped, yes that came at a price but you can be damn sure they want to put the structure in place so it wont happen again.

Now in relation to the stadium, this issue should have been addressed 20 years ago by David Moores, at the time Man United were looking at the bigger picture and looking to increase capacity of their ground, we should have done the same, Hicks & Gillette made a pig ear of it and paid arcitects insane money for a concept design for nowt.

I am not creaming myself over FSG, but what i am saying is lets see the fruition of their stability plans for the club, then we cam judge.

Rebel_Red {Ed002's Note - Hodgson was not appointed by FSG.}


Fsg , got the club cheap and i think they thought they could get rid quick and make a good profit, so now they do not want too much money tied up , and if they get a "yes" man as manager their situation will be easier.
sorry for my negative attitude , but after 50million was wrtten off against the cost of the stadium for what basically was for a set of drawings i have become very sceptical.
red mick tag


 

 

24 May 2012 22:39:57
Unfortunately I have had to deal with American Corporate types.
They won't like Rafa, he thinks for himself.
They will like Martinez. Yes sir, no sir. I fit your corporate plan sir. Hideous slaves. They just love it. Or as they say at McCrap Burger. I'm lovin it.
Excuse me while I vomit. Throw away the burger and eat the box. It is better for you.
Good-bye Liverpool, welcome McAnfield.
Vomit.
Cheers,
Karla


*facepalm..I don't know where to start..
DL


Does "thinking for yourself" mean buying crocked players who don't actually want to play for the club for 18 million, and trying to swap Alonso for Barry?

I'll take the "hideous slave", thanks. Oh, and make my Burger medium, please.


LOL!!
You deal with American "corporate types"
Sounds like it??
I doubt you could deal in a game of Snap


Lyndon


 

 

24 May 2012 22:39:55
All of you guys hating on Martinez, saying he is just a relegation saving manager.. I think some people forget that no matter how good of a manager you can be, you do not always have the best players. Just think of it this way.. maybe hes got a team of average chamionship players and hes doing really well keeping them up in the premier league? All the goals they concede etc.. it doesnt matter even in his tactics are the best, youve also got to have the best players.

Im not saying I want martinez, but everybody deserves a chance. Hope we have a good season ahead!


 

 

24 May 2012 22:36:02
*Sigh* Martinez and Henry in Florida, second photo and this angle looks more convincing.

https://twitter.com/nihar247/status/205771504401661952/photo/1/large

Personally not pleased about this

JP


You can even see the guy taking the other photo that was posted earlier.

Good work. Thanks for posting.

BJH YNWA


 

 

24 May 2012 22:35:56
Looks like Martinez is gonna be our new manager, I give him 5-6 months and we'll be looking for a new manager, He is not the man for the job, fsg are a joke


Why are they a joke for trying to appoint a young, ambitious manager who will probably bring us back to the top 4, with a total investment of 6 mill (dont quote me on that, just remember reading it somewhere) he has not only kept them up but he has also brought them 9 points off a 200m squad (Liverpool). His win percentage may only be 26% but Kennys this season was 37 AFTER investing 100+m in new players. I say give the man a chance to prove himself, where was Wenger before Arsenal? Ferguson before United ? Harry before Spurs? Why would we go for someone old when we can go for a young, highly rated manager and with him hopefully build a dynasty!
FordRed {Ed016's Note - here here)


Because you know better, right?


FordRed, Fergie, Harry and Arsene had alll won trophies with previous clubs before they got a big job


Harrys not anywhere with spurs either mate. Wenger and fergie, maybe the tactician Mancini -are the type of managers we need. Tip top with a sense of respect in the air around them. Kenny had that and he had more.
AnfieldUSA


Spot on ford red

Red Greco


He got the points off liverpool because we are very poor at the moment as most of the lower clubs found out, do not judge him on the games against a poor liverpool side but against good teams what did he do , o yes just saved wigan from going down again.
red mick tag


Fergie won a european trophy with aberdeen.


 

 

24 May 2012 22:22:19
I remember reading a post on here a couple of years back just when the previous owners were being ousted, someone wrote that it wouldnt get better for us for another 5 years I thought they were mad !


 

 

24 May 2012 22:21:04
Martinez confirmed in miami with john henry, 2 pics on twitter, 1 in a coffee shop, the other is them walking down the road coffee in hand


 

 

24 May 2012 22:35:10
FSG are a successful business unit so my understanding is this.
Previously we paid extremely high outgoings.. Wages within the club etc etc. now this hasn't been a problem before because champions league paid the wage bills.
No champions league has cost us dear.
Our wage structure was in the red and slightly still is but has been reduced a lot.

Now regarding Martinez..
Martinez ( or whoever ), will basically be the coach. His role will be be the team, formations, tactics, fitness and anything else that goes with the day to day running of a squad.
Transfers will not be his responsability.
He's on a low wage that will fit in with our infrastructure so no need to pay in the red and no need for ridiculous compinsation payouts if things don't work out.
Martinez fits that box.

DOF will bring in his own team and is solely responsible for transfers and deals in and out of the club. He must keep within an affordable budget ( including wages) and bring in the best talent available.

A manager who has full control of the club would not be great business sense or good for the club. In order for our club to build we need to bring it back to the basics.
There is absolutely no point in making our club debt ridden like Man City or Chelsea.
Titles and success can be won without 11 world stars that are on 200k a week. Look at man u, bayern etc etc.

It's about getting an infrastructure that works and a team that a winning formula.
World stars will come but only when we have created a base to be able to afford them.

So support the new team as they will be coming to make a success story they arnt arriving to destroy our club but to help it.
Our job as fans will be to support them through the good and the bad as we are all in it together and hopefully every anfield game next season we will be feared and win those matches before a ball is kicked because we raise the roof like a European match in every match.
The 12th man is our responsability and it's us that makes the difference and creates a success story of our own.
Let them coach and let us support at the top of our lungs for the 90minutes.
We can win the league but of if it's all for one.

Physic red


Good post mate.

TIZER RED

.T


Spot on. It's the challenge of beating bigger spenders by being smarter. I think that's what has Henry intrigued.


 

 

24 May 2012 22:31:26
The photo is a fake. Check it if you dont belive me but John Henrys right foot is missing

Wozza


Are you drunk? His right foot is behind martinez's leg, unless you think its possible to see through people, Stop clutching at straws looking for reasons to say its not him, it is, im just as angry as you about it, we are doomed


There are two photographs which have surfaced from different angles taken at almost the exact same time. The second one shows the original guy taking his shot. There is a woman with a black dress on and a straw hat in both the pictures.

Both the original photographer and the woman are shown in the second photo.

Looks the real deal to me, plus Martinez has that look of a young boy listening to his master..... almost like 'yes sir I understand'

My moneys on Martinez now....

Tel 1949


 

 

24 May 2012 22:31:25
Sorry ed016 there's 3photos don't think it's fake


 

 

24 May 2012 22:31:16
The photo is real... A 2nd photo has surfaced of them.

KKM...


 

 

24 May 2012 22:27:21
I think that pic of Roberto Martinez and John W Henry looks genuine Ed don't understand what you mean by look at the nose lol? lets just wait and see.
Skurks


 

 

24 May 2012 22:26:42
Jürgen Klopp now 6/1!
WOW! what's going on?


And AVB is 5/1 !!


The bookies are making "loads of money"


 

 

24 May 2012 22:22:25
Eds, It is clearly John w Henry with Martinez .....


 

 

24 May 2012 22:22:22
eds can u post in rumours pls

If Martinez does get the job we need to give the guy our support.
No one new guardolia would b as good a manager but barca took a chance and look what happened,
Raffa aint the answer and we need to respect the owners decision.

believable for chance or unbelievable to not give him a chance.

Lurgan red


 

 

24 May 2012 22:20:19
Martinez in miami as his family are in caribbean
On hols and it's closer for him to fly there after meet instead of Boston


 

 

24 May 2012 22:18:57
Whilst we are poised to cast votes for our Player of the Season, my choice for the worst is already in: the so-called 12th man.


Excellent!
NextGenRed


 

 

24 May 2012 22:11:15
Martinez and Henry photographed in Miami looking like best mates, check mike keegan on twitter, hes a good journo and always gets the 1st stories in, mostly true


 

 

24 May 2012 22:06:56
https://twitter.com/ajhalls1/status/205764508151578624/photo/1

John Henry and Martinez! {Ed016's Note - Dammit, it does look like him)


John Henrys right foot is missing meaning this is a fake

Wozza


Thought you were talking bollox but that's really got me thinking
jaydee ynwa


Its not a fake theres a photo from a different angle and he clearly has two feet
big red john


Yeah that's him


'wozza' its impossible to see through a person, henrys right foot is behind robbie's leg


 

 

24 May 2012 22:06:27
Dave Whealan is talking more about our club than our owners are , was'nt it whealan who let the cat out of the bag about martinez in the 1'st place , now he's giving martinz 48 hours , meaning our owners have 48 hours to make their minds up , it would be really funny if martinez went to villa ,


 

 

24 May 2012 22:05:03
Journo Mike Keegan just put a pic up on his twitter of Henry and Martinez in Miami walking down the street drinking coffee and laughing, Here's the link Ed's if you can put it up anywhere

https://twitter.com/mikekeeganmen/status/205765370706006016/photo/1


Not laughing just talking..


 

 

24 May 2012 22:03:01
Several respected Journalists and LFC supporters have posted a picture of Martinez and Henry strolling down the street in Miami. Apparently they are at the Red Sox's training facility.

Done deal?

Kenny


 

 

24 May 2012 22:02:49
Ian ayre... i am certain we can still attract a top manager to Liverpool!
How does Roberto Martinez fit into that sentence? does anyone really think we have improved on Kenny Dalglish with Martinez??
Considering we were hearing rumours about Martinez for Liverpool even before Kenny was sacked, i think that he was the first and only choice for FSG.
But i think also harsh on Martinez if he gets the job, talk about being thrown into the lions den, young, inexperienced, fans were looking for a top established coach, one or two defeats and the pressure is going to be immense, and currently at Liverpool i think there is not enough quality to get the coveted fourth place, or even to produce football that will show signs of improvement, i think certain players currently at Liverpool has a discipline problem and not sure if Martinez has the persona to handle that issue. Tactically i dont see his teams adapt to change styles of football for different opponents.
He is an absolute enormous gamble, and i thought FSG were all about making smart tactical decisions based on research and knowledge?
If he is confirmed as Liverpool manager then i will support him and my team and always will but all i can say is Good Luck Roberto you are gonna need it.
An absolute huge gamble and i genuinely hope he proves myself and everyone else wrong.
cobra


He has'nt got it yet!


Believe me he's got it, number one target from at least a week before Kenny was sacked!


^ What's your name then as if he do'snt get it i'll look for name then give you load's! Mine's "In Rafa we trust!


 

 

24 May 2012 22:01:42
Completly agree with what Macca's saying, there's alot of people worried about whats been going on at the club but like he said the club's been run badly off the field for a long time now and FSG must know what there talking about as there very successful peolple.

Hopefully supporters don't expect instant success whoever takes charge as I believe that it might take 3-5 years before we can be real contenders of the top prizes. A top 4 challange will be acceptable next season.

Bilverstone

YNWA

JTF96 {Ed016's Note - Top 4 is not a goal, it is a minimum)


Agree with ed016 4th place is the lower scale of what our aim should be


 

 

24 May 2012 21:59:05
We have not won the EPL, we need to think outside the box well done FSG 4 putting in a plan if it works or not they r trying something new give it time don't be a sly sports wanna be trust the club not newspapers


 

 

24 May 2012 21:58:13
Rumours are that a Brand new 70,000 seated stadium is the preferred choice of FSG ! I hope thats true, a new stadium and a new start is what Liverpool needs. Lets start making some new memories and let new managers get on with their jobs without the ghosts of Shankley, Paisley and Dalglish hanging over them. This constant harping back to days gone by is dragging the club down and its time to stop. The club has and SHOULD change with the times, we have analogue thinking in a digital age.


Those guys should inspire you not 'hang' over you mate


Redevelopment is the prefered option mate, a new stadium is the back up plan.

MIKEY


Load of rubbish...analogue thinking my apse!

Using cyber phrases to make a cheap shot at anyone who was fortunate enough to have watched the three masters is an embarrasment.

They are the thread that runs through our club and holds us all together throughout the world, the original spark of electricity that has kept our dreams and hearts alive.....

No matter where our wonderful goes to in the future, these three are the masters that allowed it all to happen.

Show some respect for our masters, no matter what direction the club goes in, they will never be replaced

They are the rich heritage that clubs like Chelsea can only dream of having... be thankful not scornful my plastic supporter friend with no name

tel 1949


Shankley and Paisley made the club what it is. We were already European Champions when Dalglish arrived.


 

 

24 May 2012 21:56:36
For all the people complaining about the possibility of Martinez becoming LFC manager, note Wigan only finished 9 points behind Liverpool this season. Putting this into context Liverpool finished 17 points behind Tottenham in 4th. This despite Wigan spending only 8 million pounds.


So, is that a testament to how well Wigan did or how badly Liverpool did?


Its possibly more testament to the funds available to Martinez !!


 

 

24 May 2012 21:53:01
Totally agree with you Macca, there's so many people who think they know whats going on or assume they do and who are as cluless as most of the media.
FSG keep their cards close to their chests and news only comes out near to the time when they want it to.
Peter Robinson and John Smith would appreciate the way they operate, because their way was similar, and we didn't do badly then, did we?


 

 

24 May 2012 21:50:53
Martinez premier league stats

Jun 2009 - present - won 34, drawn 36, lost 57...

Worried!


With Wigan!!!!!!


No....
we where worst after than wigan second half of the season thats the present..


Actually, that's the past.
AnfieldUSA


 

 

24 May 2012 21:48:26
Hi macca

Totally agree, the Americans generally are money making machines, they thrive in the new commercial world and know that Liverpool FC needs a complete overhaul to achieve their goals. The Suarez affair only highlighted how inexperienced and amature the club is in facing such issues.
What is happening now is not a knee jerk reaction to a manager leaving, as many are stating, but part of a major restructuring of the whole clubs management, from top to bottom.
Who ever comes in will be a part of a large money making machine and the person will have to fit into the philosophy and vision of the club. For the commercial side to work the whole club has to be whiter than white and as the manager is the day to day face of the club, the club needs someone who can get the media on side, who is approachable and most of all an all round guy (sadly hence the sacking of Dalglish).
Its easy to see that someone like Martinez or Rodgers fits this bill perfectly, and with an experienced DOF above them who allows them to grow as a coach without the pressure of all other roles a modern day manager has to deal with, it seems a sensible strategy.
FSG may seem ruthless however they are in it to win and we must trust them, As I said earlier commercially Americans are streets ahead, you only have to look at the new commercial guy who has been appointed, young, good looking and very successful, all the attributes they are beginning to instill into the management and ethos of the club.
Be patient and I think these guys will surprise every one.

We will be back mark my words.

Evered


Listen mate, football starts and ends on the pitch. Man Utd produce so much revenue because their team wins, Chelsea will actually make a profit this next year because they've won the European Cup.
FSG can't make a sow out of a pigs ear. If the football side of things is not got right, the rest is immaterial.
And, unfortunately, football is FSG's weakest point. Where their expertise is lacking.
Savvy ?
The Real KB


Proud of you KB youve at last woken up to reality.Took long time,but you got there


It is no way to build a skyscraper without a plan and without sound foundation. I believe this is what FSG are doing.

AK


And isnt the football knowledge to come from the DOF and manager? Do you think the Glazers know anything about football? Let the business men run the business and the football department run the football. Let at least wait until the have hired someone before we shoot them down.

AK


Leeds were a great football side not very long ago and were in the champions league not too long ago and we all know what happened to them!
You have to get things right at board level, market the club correctly increase revenue and build a strong squad to succeed nowadays, winning matches alone is not enough and the owners know that, and thats why they are restructuring the club!!
A strong commercial base to a club will bring in extra revenue to invest in the team, hence the team getting stronger, that the right strategy.

Evered


It's chicken and egg isn't it? It might "start and end on the pitch", but we cannot challenge for the title without the revenue. And that requires the marketing machine.

What Henry has done is realize the marketing and ticket revenue is well short of the potential. Get the revenue up, and you have the finances for a competitive team.


Exactly

Evered


 

 

24 May 2012 21:41:39
Wish Whelan would keep his trap shut. He's clearly after pushing through Martinez to LFC or AVFC to get his compo, he stands alone as Wigans answer to the Trotters, small part Grandad, small part Dell Boy, but mostly a plonker.
Yorkshire Red
Ynwa


 

 

24 May 2012 21:40:51
thank god and rafa for the year 2005 istanbul champions league win best ever comeback best ever final without it what else have we had to throw at the mancs and chelski in the last 20 years greatest night of my life 25th may 2005 bring back rafa if we get martinez we will never get any where near that magical night again its too much watching champions league from a far and having to cheer the likes of barca bayern basel every year bring back the man who gave us thoose fantastic nights rafa benitez. Singh is king


 

 

24 May 2012 21:39:07
Well said macca been banging on to my mates for ages that the club was taking the fans for granted and taking our money now we have people who want 2 run the club the right way and now we want 2 bitch and moan about them because they want to put the effort in aswell as there money so lets get behind the team and whatever manager whose in charge now c'mon redmen lets get anfield rocking again


 

 

24 May 2012 21:36:59
Klopp??
Bean


This made me laugh but don't know why!

Square tomato


You never know??
Bean


 

 

24 May 2012 21:36:37
well said macca, well said indeed.

Some of our fans are bang out of order and to be honest don't have a clue.

Please let them get on with it, we have been badly run or years and it is about time we had a refurbishment.

MJ


 

 

24 May 2012 21:34:01
Just want to put in my 2 pence..

If anyone has watched a film called moneyball theres a section at the very end were the boston red sox make an offer for the generall manager of the oakland A's.

this is because the GM of that team spent 46 million and took the team to the playoffs using a system of youth and washed up players and moved them into different positions, that year the red sox spent 150million that season and went just as far.

Werner approached this GM and was turned down but using his system won the world seriers 2 years later,

Are they winners YES!, can we compete with man city NO!, the owners will employ the right guy and will stand by him for a minium of 3 years and will have a play to a system that requires us to stick to are guns so that in 5 years we will hopefully be contenders, i'e youth policy and a manager who will grow with the players and the club get your head out the clouds and prepare for a few tough years with a silver lining at the end HOPEFULLY.


Heard it all before! Over the last 20 odd years. Nothing new about promises.


Yes we can compete with man city,man utd, chelsea, arsenal,madrids,milans and the psg's, one team cannot have all the best players in the world, the right manager, good financial backing, a decent stadium and we can compete with anyone.
jaydee ynwa


Using the money ball system we should win the prem in the next season , the moneyball film was about stats and it was not the GM but his side kick who thought of it , but its old news really because we have all seen old players coming good at certain clubs , kevin philips who plays for blackpool was still scoring goals , and look at ryan giggs , the GM in the film played by brad pitt turned down JW , but it would have made him the highest paid GM in the states , so the talk of the owners having no money or trying to get things on the cheap is way of the mark


 

 

24 May 2012 21:16:56
Totally disagree with you Macca but hope your right.
I think we will know by September.
Lets see how much they invest to close the gap.
I think we have a good chance of dropping further than 8th with this shower at the helm.

Its one thing correcting H&G mistakes quite another correcting their own, Commoli appointment, Dalglish appointment, Suarez affair, miss spent millions etc


Will you give over,fsg are doing things in a proper manner,interviews and all other matters are being done in the states to stop leaks to the press isnt doing things behind closed doors supposed to be the liverpool way,fsg will make liverpool into a powerhouse agin have no doubt but it will take time


Dalglish appointment was due to fan pressure, saurez affair escalating was due to dalglish, money spent again due to dalglish. So if any ones to blame, its the fans who forced FSG to bring back kenny.
These same fans now presurising the owners with bring back rafa demands.
I'm actually quite looking forward to this restructuring programme. This could be a bright new future for liverpool fc, so all of you "bring back rafa" fans, start living in the present, learn from the past (especially the bad times we had with rafa)


How was it miss spent, carrol,downing in the england squad and henderson on stand by, saurez awsome, adam not the best season but still great and you all know it.
thats a solid foundation


Poster above taking p ss surely


 

 

24 May 2012 21:16:47
Next manager.... Samuel L Jackson!! Can you imagine the team talks


All I can visualise is Pulp Fiction and his reciting the bible, awesome :)


I can see it now...Liverpool Avengers...Carroll as Thor...Gerrard as Captain...Suarez as Iron Man...Linda and JH as Black Widow and Hawkeye...Hulk as Hulk...awesomeness


 

 

24 May 2012 21:14:03
At the end of the day, none of us can predict what a manager is going to bring, but whoever is the manager, if he turns out to be another blunder, then he will just get replaced again, this stuff takes time. Just support who ever we do get.

Sean ynwa


 

 

24 May 2012 21:08:43
Evening all,

I still think the search for the new manager will see a few twists. I fancy Klopp could still be a contender. Fits the bill on many levels. I'd have him just over Laudrup.

Dirks Engine Room


 

 

24 May 2012 21:06:15
If Roberto Martinez is in with a shout of the Liverpool job for keeping, as sky sports news put it, the lowly lancashire club wigan in the premiership, then surely Paul Jewell is in with a shout?


What a stupid comment....
so does that make paulo sousa, kevin nugent, kenny jackett, and alan curtis in the running as well coz he managed swansea as well.


Ease up with the disagree lads it was clearly a joke


Yea why not he kept bradford up as well for a season why not phil brown he kept hull up a season as well mick mcarthy kept wolves up for a season


 

 

24 May 2012 21:00:36
Eds or anyone that knows, can you clear something up for me. The Europa League qualifying really confuses me. Can you explain the amount of different stages of qualifying and where we will enter. Would be much appreciated.

Cheers

CSE9


We enter in the third qualifying round I think. So we will need to play 4 games (home and away format) against some eastern european team to just get to the group stages I think.

AG


 

 

24 May 2012 21:04:18
look chaps its marcelo bielsa who would be great fun then future main man brendan rodgers then matinez who will still be very good and there you have it are you listening john henry stop dithering and get ee cheque book oot mannie Avoorochie


 

 

24 May 2012 21:00:20
Well said Macca, well bloody said.


 

 

24 May 2012 20:59:27
the only reason whelan is talking trash talk about liverpool is because he wants to keep martinez at liverpool


Wigan u mean(keep him at wigan u meant)


You mean he wants to keep him at Wigan. {Ed016's Note - Whelan knows that the majority of Liverpool fans do not think Martinez is good enough yet so by leaking all this info he can show the Lpool owners that the Lpool fans are very opposed to him being appointed so that he can keep him)


Its only the kenny fans that doesn't like the idea of kenny replacement being martinez as to them the only people who could do the job in rafa.

i like rafa aswel but i agree with those who say rafa can't manage under these conditions, he fell out with both pervious club due to DOF's at Valencia and Inter.


 

 

24 May 2012 20:59:01
Rogers all the way, he has played great football and out played many of top teams this year, including LFC. Infact so much that all his players were deemed as potential signing for alot of clubs. Does require a expierenced DOF for potential/expierienced signings
BTM


 

 

24 May 2012 20:55:31
Macca is spot on. its about time people realised that FSG are not here on a jollyup.get behind the owners,the club in general or sod off to man city


To say that they've made a bit of **** up so far would be fair enough though.
That's my problem with them.
It doesn't exactly fill you with confidence does it ?
The Real KB


 

 

24 May 2012 20:48:04
"I think it will depend on the attitude of the owners in America, because I don't think the owners from America fully understand the game of football in England."
Dave Whelan


I think he should just keep quiet and worry about his own club rather then taking digs at our great club
Guinnessre8


Go support wigan! if you're such a lover of whelan. i'm tired of people using whelan as an excuse to mock fsg.


With the greatest of respect to Dave Whelan, who has done a fantastic job with Wigan, he is one of the last of the typical English club chairman. The game has moved on, and whilst he may not believe in it the director of football type role is common across most of Europe. It may not be traditionally English, but it works with the right personel.


Whelans an honest man, he aint the first to say this about FSG.And nothing theyve done so far proves them wrong


 

 

24 May 2012 20:50:51
Fsg have drawn up a short-list of potential managers that they will interview and systematically rule out one bye one to make certain that the manager they choose (have chosen) is the right choice.
the manager in question is none other than a certain Rafael Benitez.
im prepared for the forthcoming barrage of abuse but i really think that rafa is the best and only choice, we are all entitled to our opinion.
remember the date and the name when the new manager is unveiled
Jaydee ynwa


The manager who signed Milan Joanovic with wages of 90-100k per week ?

Yeah good one...


Rafa must be judged in the 'round' not on individual mistakes. The man who has never made a mistake has never tried.


Jaydee ynwa i really hope you right! In Rafa we trust!


Like i said wait and see
Jaydee ynwa


Oh waxing some lyrics are we. droppin knowledge bombs, schooling you fools, boom, boom.


 

 

24 May 2012 20:50:37
Take this with a pinch of salt....Seems like FSG have successfully tempted one of their favorites for the job. I doubt whether it is Martinez, LVG, AVB or RAFA. Think it would be a bit of a surprise for all of us. And people should rather forget the press now a days, everyday some new BS, to be fair they don't have a clue... just pure speculations.

Wait for the day, Patience, it won't be too long now.

I would say Roberto Martinez now has a more chance of been at Aston Villa rather than at LFC.

My opinion based on what I heard...might be wrong, anyways wanted to share with you..

Cheers
Armando


Armando the new Mecca
Both are legends !!


Laudrup with LVG as DOF


Well who is it then


Is it rogers? CRAIG


I'm thinking it could be the current USA coach- someone FSG will no doubt know and trust and someone who has commented regularly in the past on LFC's attacking prowess(or lack of) and who builds teams with younger players.


I think Klopp is the man you speak of

GuvTOB


Guardiola?
Klopp?
Capello?
Klinnsman?
Zidane?


Zidane lol at least that's a new name and not the usual suspects if he is half as good a manager as he was player then wow

RED KENNY


I think you talk bollox


As long as it's not AVB LVG Rodger's or Martinez! In Rafa we trust!


If true it's Guardiola.


 

 

24 May 2012 20:49:40
I'm all for opinions but come on were supposed to be Liverpool supporters emphasise (spelling) the word support as we slag players off and managers left right and centre sometimes before they are even signed and this is the classic were not bothered if they have a bad game as long as they give 100% we will get behind them well people slag kuyt off and that's all he ever has given to this club were not a top 4 side any more but with our history were a big club still and with support we will again be a side to be reckoned with cheers pk


 

 

24 May 2012 20:46:35
i would just like to say i believe the owners have plans and have a good group of advisers around them they are also business people who are already very successful in the sporting world also for people who are getting on martinezs back give the man a break hes done very well at wigan with what i would deem as limited resources when you compare that to Liverpool. i think people are pre judging him because of the club he currently works at. i have 100% confidence in the owners plus if martinez is hired i will give him 100% backing theres other things id like to moan about to do with fan groups such as no one has the right to tell the kit designers what should go were i think you know who i mean i respect them and its not like they removed the symbol they just moved it and SOS should just be patient. so all in all i think fans just need to calm down....pretty please.lol sorry about the rant eds CRAIG


 

 

24 May 2012 20:39:52
Well said, the whole structure needed to change. All the forthcoming decisions may not be the right ones but they need to be made so that we have any chance of going forwards


 

 

24 May 2012 20:32:44
Parry one of the founding members if not the founder of the premier league


So what?


Still don't like him!!


 

 

24 May 2012 20:28:36
in terms of the last poster, you have no idea what set up FSG are trying to do.

Don't bother commenting until you do.

Leave them to it, they are very clearly clever business people and we should trust them

Ignore the negativity Tom and John.


Have a word with yourself lad. A clever businessman is someone who exploits. FSG may produce the goods and their plan just may work but never think that these guys are trustworthy characters. There's only one thing that motivates these guys and that's enhancing their capital value.

Ozone


Yes mate because we all want to pump millions into something but the not actually make any money, give your head a shake kid.
jaydee ynwa


Different ends of the scale, but don't we all try to earn as much as we can going to work? You can't blame them for wanting to increase the value of their investment and to be fair for them to make Liverpool worth more they have to invest and they have to be successful - in effect were all winners. ynwa


The only way theyll make money is by getting us back in to the champions league,sounds good to me,think they deserve to make a few quid along the way.redphil


 

 

24 May 2012 20:26:56
What are the chances now of André Villas-Boas being the next manager because he would bring classy players to the club.


Currently about 4/1 on most betting sites !!


Now 7/1 and drifting like a barge.


 

 

24 May 2012 20:23:29
am I the only one who thinks that no top manager will ever want to work under fsg structure? does it really work in football? how can a manager only remain as a coach and does have little control over transfer activities? please do not consider it as a criticism, i m rather looking for all your comments.


Surely the coach and director of football will talk to each other and come to some sort of an agreement on whatever player they want.


It's the system used by the great majority of clubs in Europe. Most continental managers are used to it.

clubs include
Real Madrid (although Jose has almost complete control)
Barcelona
Bayern
Juventus
Inter
AC Milan

They've all had some top managers and done quite well.

It's only in Britain that there's realy a strong tradition of one man in charge.

travellingmike


It might work in Europe but not in UK. Utd, Chelsea, City, Tottenham, Arsenal don't have a DOF, it's like having joint managers, and we know only to well that didn't work. If it did work it wouln't necessarily make us more successful
Bobbinred

Bobbinred


 

 

24 May 2012 20:19:02
why oh why oh why are people asking the Eds about transfers ???
we have no sporting director or manager who the F is going to make the choices on who to buy . we need a system or idea to know who to use and ware .
it will all be over soon and as lfc fans we will do what we all ways do we will walk on through the rain and we will be great one again , because we are the best fans in the game not whiny sack the manager Chelsea fans .


The only way any players will come and money forked out will be when the new structure is in place. No one has mentioned Jurgen Klinsman for manager under new Dof- he has some hard words about Rafa and has come in a shaken teams up in the past and produced results- is he not in FSG's thinking at all??


I did mention Klinnsman a while ago, he is quite friendly with JH, but I now think he is one of FSG's advisors
Bobbinred


 

 

24 May 2012 19:50:32
hey eds, BBC are reporting Martinez is talking to fsg in Miami. Just wondering if this is a new development or whether they're a little late to the party

Certainly hope so, AVB didnt do well at Chelsea but there was no surprise. An aging squad, Abramovic buying the players and he was expected to transform the squad. Fsg wouldnt give him such a stressful time I think and he will be a success here, provided he improves on his man management maybe.


 

 

24 May 2012 20:16:20
The only reason Martinez is favourite is because Whelan keeps talking about him. The media latch on to whoever's being talked about most. When AVB'S agent was going on about him he was favourite. It means nothing.

Red Ollie


I've heard rumours he is actually meeting with the Aston Villa owner.


Red Ollie, I think you're absolutely spot on in your assessment. It does appear to be governed more by what agents are saying and a certain chairman! We only know about one official interview and I'm convinced there will be others. Trust the owners. Matt


Whelan said he assumed martinez was meeting liverpool , i also have a feeling hes meeting learner


I hope he already spoke too Villa?


 

 

24 May 2012 20:13:22
Why don't we all stop moaning and give the new manager and owners a chance..

The structure of the club has been pathetic for the last 25 years..

We have been left behind in the past with the previous owners and that t**t Parry..

The club was rotten to the core and now the owners are addressing that.

Let the new owners bring us into the 21st century..

Just maybe they might know more than us about running a business successfully..

Let them bring back the success they we have been accustomed to..

It will not happen overnight but i really do believe they will make us great again


Cheers

Macca


Amen to that

Puzzled


Exactly!!


Agree fully macca
derryred


Agreed...

Myk


Nice post mate...Well said

77to2005


Spot on mate.
MIKEYRED


But do you expect Martinez to become manager? (I want him to be)
Sir eggbut nobacon


I agree with you Macca. It's up to the owners who they appoint. They shouldn't be influenced by the fans. Ultimately, it's their money and they were the ones who saved us from certain administration. Yes, we all have our preferences, mine being AVB, although I'd also be happy with Rodgers, but I'll be right behind whoever they appoint. What happened to Hodgson was a disgrace. No need for all that and it's interesting that he spent nothing like the amount Kenny blew, yet many were willing to give Kenny more time! In my mind, 8th was completely unacceptable for the amount of money spent and he had to go. No sentiment. This is business and we need to be back in contention for the CL places. As another poster said, the press have no idea what's going on and are influenced by whatever agent or loudmouth chairman has to say. I must admit that I thought AVB would be their guy, but it's interesting that Rodgers does continue to be linked. They're starting to make the appointments now, so I think we should just try to be patient and trust the owners. Matt


I used to deal with Liverpool on a commercial basis and they were shocking and not how a small business should be run let alone a global brand.

Get off the owners backs and let them make us work on an off the pitch!


Well said macca, i could'nt of put it any better myself.


Eds and fellow kopites why former players and some other clubs owner say we have sold our soul to FSG

Kopite


Well said Macca!

100% agree

Fans should wait and see, give FSG and whoever comes a chance.

Armando


Couldn't agree more macca cheers


Finally!

Someone realises why we're going backwards, let's just hope some of the Neanderthal Rafa brigade wake up and smell the coffee too!

dmedly


Spot on as always mate. we love you!!
leni


How long should we give him Macca? Does Henrys comment about not getting top 4 being a failure still stand? Maybe it wont be the fans not giving Martinez a chance.

The Irish Rover


I totaly agree macca, but im certain if hicks and gillet had been better owners when rafa was here and had given him the backing he wanted we would be the envy of europe as we speak, every body talks about how he alienated alonso, but he da been playing crap anyway, so with a lack of funds he saw Barry as a good replacement and it should of given him the opportunity to raise some funds at the same time.
Barry has just won the prem and been an integral part of the team ??
Rafa for me everyday, building on the foundation kenny has in place with decent backing, fsg would be foolish not
jaydee.ynwa


How does David Moores escape criticism?


Ai, very good words Macca. Im not sure many people on her are Billionaire. They know how to run a business, and thats what they are doing to LFC. LFC needs to be run like a company to keep up with the rest.

Burnsy


Macca i appreciate the comments you bring to this site which at times is accurate but lets not kid ourselves that good business makes good football teams ! You and the rest of us know you have to throw serious cash at this and the owners are setting there sights low in my opinion if martinez / rodgers etc are front runners ....tight budgets ..workin on shoe string isnt goin to work for me or anyone else on here !
kopace


Well said macca!!!


Well said mate there is far to much negativity on here . whoever the the manager and coaching/directing staff are lets get behind them , people say wish we were as good as we once was , but anfield is quieter than it used to be ....... the door swings both ways.........oh and thanks for all your info andy.


Hi macca

Totally agree, the Americans generally are money making machines, they thrive in the new commercial world and know that Liverpool FC needs a complete overhaul to achieve their goals. The Suarez affair only highlighted how inexperienced and amature the club is in facing such issues.
What is happening now is not a knee jerk reaction to a manager leaving, as many are stating, but part of a major restructuring of the whole clubs management, from top to bottom.
Who ever comes in will be a part of a large money making machine and the person will have to fit into the philosophy and vision of the club. For the commercial side to work the whole club has to be whiter than white and as the manager is the day to day face of the club, the club needs someone who can get the media on side, who is approachable and most of all an all round guy (sadly hence the sacking of Dalglish).
Its easy to see that someone like Martinez or Rodgers fits this bill perfectly, and with an experienced DOF above them who allows them to grow as a coach without the pressure of all other roles a modern day manager has to deal with, it seems a sensible strategy.
FSG may seem ruthless however they are in it to win and we must trust them, As I said earlier commercially Americans are streets ahead, you only have to look at the new commercial guy who has been appointed, young, good looking and very successful, all the attributes they are beginning to instill into the management and ethos of the club.
Be patient and I think these guys will surprise every one.

We will be back mark my words.

Evered


This makes sense to me...we can't go back and we can't reasonsably expect FSG to re-engage Rafa. We certainly need a fresh approach and a more professional management team all across the structure. I think Martinez will prove a lot doubters wrong but I'm not convinced he can work with Van Gaal if the latter were appointed DoF. There has to be chemistry between both manager and DoF and I guess a better choice would be Txiki Beguiristein.


Macca,
I know you have inside info and we respect you for passing on rumours, I do especially. The Eds have posted my comments saying pretty much the same as you - I just never get the same response as you, so thanks for saying it and I now see it has been heard.
I see others on here are in the same situ as me.
Bazzaa


Well said Macca. The internal structure theory you mentioned is very interesting.

AG


All TRUE fans will back you in that Macca!!

Keep up the good work

Lyndon {Ed016's Note - I agree. Rick Parry destroyed our club)


Is that not what Blair saI'd last night macca.MATTYLFC


A+++++++++++

dd


Its been much too long but now at last we all have reason to be assured that as a business the mighty reds will become a much more successful and attractive proposition globally.Everything moves and changes,we shouldnt let ourselves be too objective to change,its the same face just a different haircut.Is all...European cup nights anyone.


With all due respect macca the owners need to prove themselfs as much as the players, like the players they have'nt done much, the initial investment to buy the club was a smart move as they will always get there money back. But the transfer spending has come from player sales and revenue! I would like to see them take a risk and spend the money to get a couple of top class players we need, alonso and mascherano have never been replaced. Then i will believe.

Red Grand


Bang on lad above,you ld think The great Macca would be appointed.People on here seem to think hes a heavanly all Knowing being.His views are no more valid than anyone elses


Hallelujah, Macca - well said

cozinoz


 

 

24 May 2012 20:12:43
Come on guys if he is appointed lets get behind Martinez, lets face it how many biggger names linked have failed in big jobs at some point Benitez- inter, AVB- Chelsea, Rijkard-Galatasary, the list will go on. In my opinion Wigan should be a league 1 club in all rights and for him to keep them up year after year is unbelievable with small crowds and losing his best players most summers, he also succeeded at swansea, ok he is unproven at the level where we want to go, but we are the only country where the big clubs never look at young managers from there own league. I think its refreshing and, ok, not risk free but with us behind him it may well just work.

YNWA
Polska


Yeah he keeps wigan up with little money and has them playing some great football. if you look at his team as well the core of it is young so it can improve. he also set the foundations for swansea and won them league1. he is a top young coach and he can have a bigger team with bigger money playing good football
derryred


 

 

24 May 2012 20:05:57
Drogba as player manager?

davethebutcher


Haha...

Myk


Oh please!

dmedly


Davethebutcher
What in the name of lucifers jacket?
I hope that's a joke! If not whats the next suggestion... He's key as player manager? Lol


Drogba the body popper.


Ha yes it was a joke, thought someone should try and lighten the mood. It's been hell on here recently!

davethebutcher


 

 

24 May 2012 20:04:18
This is Anfield. Not bedsox or whatever they call themselves.
Pathetic, I have seen their excuse for sport sitting in Hooters in South Beach Miami. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
It's a pity we don't have finance from Europe.
Plus Rafa. He made us punch above our weight.
If you want Budweiser, go and drink it.
I'll take a pint of Guinness.
FSG do not know about football.Why should they ?


This is Life mate, you either move on or ship out, the Americans are a money making machine, deal with it


But they know how to get success in the world of sports.


They know about business and have advisors who know about football. CRAIG


This is more than just about football pal.. The hole infrastructure of the club is under refurbishment, all we see is what happens on the pitch and in the media. There is a lot more to a modern day successful club than a trophy manager and a few big name players. It will all come good eventually..

Myk


Does that mean you want us to play Gaelic football!


Surely you mean you will take 'Cains Finest Export Lager'


There is no "finance" in Europe. Europe is broke. Have you ever read a newspaper? Oh, that's right, you were snoring in Hooters in Miami Beach. Carry on.


What do the Glazers know about football? Get off FSGs back.. Where the hell would we be if they hadn't stepped in? Think about it... Rome 77


Grow up.
Red Branch


And i bet you love cricket


To the anonymous poster who wrote that load of crap:-
I think that as FSG invested the money to save us from administration it does allow them to make the decisions they feel are right to move the club forward.
The outpourings from the likes of yourself and the SOS crowd annoy me,did you do anything to save the club and if you had you would have the right to determine the future.

Get behind our team,support FSG,and back the new manager,together we will have a chance to succeed divided we are finished!
Derek


Sounds like you've had a few too many of those guiness' mate,


All intelligent people love cricket

Puzzled


Have you seen Australian cricket crowds Puzzled?

AK


 

 

24 May 2012 20:04:09
I saw a post on here the other day that got me thinking. There seems to be a potential problem with having two people overseeing affairs.
DOF deciding overall playing strategy and overseeing scouting system. Manager will decide which position needs filling (?) and DOF will find and sign that man.

IF things don't work out (and I am not talking about Liverpool in the immediate future - but anywhere, anytime) who carries the can? The DOF for finding the wrong man or the manager for an inability to motivate him etc etc

It would seem that this system is fraught with difficulty.Do we have to sack BOTH men in a worse case scenario (as just happened) or what?

Puzzled


Or the have a massive power struggle (van gall and cruyff!) which one do we side with. ooooooh. i suppose we will have to get harry hill to come and say FIIIIIGGHHTT!!
huddz red


Seems to work in the rest of Europe.


 

 

24 May 2012 20:03:06
Van gaal wants the managers job

Powely


Yeap!


 

 

24 May 2012 19:53:12
I'm still for Villas-Boas as Manager with Van Gaal as D.O.F but I think Martinez would be good also. I don't understand some of you guys with the downright disrespectful comments towards these men, I for one will be supporting whoever it may be who takes over.WALK ON

phillyRED


 

 

24 May 2012 19:51:03
what stands out for me is , why are the owners going for martinez ,instead of the big managers , they have a plan that most managers dont want to be part of , the owners say they have the money , we dont know , but what i know is that they have put money into the club already and they want whats best , so if they think martinex is the best for us then we must accept it and see if they are right or wrong


 

 

24 May 2012 19:48:02
People moaning about Martinez, just think one thing, Roberto Di Matteo, once sacked by West Brom and MK Dons. Look what he did this season through ambition, keeping a level head and sticking to his guns (all things that Martinez has).

And look at what he did! Bet ya didn't see that comin!!


Yes especially with a squad worth more than Liverpool's entire squad three times over!


I'm pretty sure one of the ed's said that all he did was kiss the players arses and let them run things. doesn't seem like a good long term idea to me
huddz red


I agree but please don't compare the exciting martinez with di matteo. he is footballs version of the anti-christ. he makes benitez look attacking


Which AVB managed less than 50% wins with.....


All he did was agree with the players , i know they won , but look at the style of play and the way they won it , they defended there way to the champs league , the game against barca shows how they kept 10 players behind the ball , he was a lucky manager


 

 

24 May 2012 19:46:47
Looks like Moses will be coming our way then.

Hope macca is rite about rogers then , he came up with a lesser team and performed better than martinez.

My biggest problem with martinez is , which players is he going to attract to our club.

LAVERS


Martinez laid the philosphY and foundations of that team


Okay right do you really think that because villas boas managed porto, that all of porto's stars want to join liverpool. we should sign rijkaard as manager because then messi and xavi and iniesta will drop everything and come to us. yeah. thats not how it works mate.
derryred


I don't mean players from previous clubs which they have managed.

I mean players in general.

Some players do want to play under certain managers fact!

LAVERS


 

 

24 May 2012 19:46:41
Maybe the owners are waiting for us! Here goes Like AVB dislike Martinez. Because lets be fair we are not going to attract much more. AVB for me but will support whoever.


 

 

24 May 2012 19:45:41
People keep saying Benitez wants full control and therefore cannot be considered. Surely any manager would want control of what players come in? Do you think that Fergie would allow someone else to decide his playing staff? I just can't see how that would work? As soon as the wheels come off the manager has an easy way out by saying he hasn't put his own team together.. I think the whole DOF thing is not the right way to go. I like the idea of having someone to deal on behalf of the manager but I can't see how any manager could function with this system without conflict and division.

They say you play to your strengths and I can't see how any manager would do this at Liverpool because Dalglish never really defined what our strengths are, therefore a change in personnel would have to happen for someone to stamp there own style of play on the team.

I get the feeling Dalglish wanted a wide passing game similar in style to what Blackburn had all those years ago. The difference was our wide play wasn't good enough and that came down to personnel.

Its going to be a long and painful road in my opinion. Let's hope this DOF thing works quickly. I can't think of anywhere where it has worked in football before - apart from where the playing staff is tried and trusted and technically ready.

Too many cooks..

Gazman


Laughable thing is, that Whelan has comeout and said that MArtinez would want full control as a manager too, so if they offer it to MArtinez (untried, potential) why not Rafa - proven quality in PL and europe , did it on a shoe string budget and still retains support of senior playesr like Lucas, Reina, Skrtel and Agger and Kuyt?? Never agreed with a DOF anyway for all your stated reasons Gaz...why pay 2 wages when you can get one person to do it with their own vision??


I don't want benitez in because he was so boring, for some reason people call it tactical brilliance but i don't know. it wasn't so brilliant when we had about 10 0-0's every season or when he drove alonso out of the team and replaced him with aqualiani. we were a wreck made by him and then he left us with a bunch of overpayed flops.
derryred


 

 

24 May 2012 19:40:38
Imagine someone telling fergie, he would be choosing the players coming in


 

 

24 May 2012 19:39:40
Tonights 'running round-up' shows a firming by Europe's media around a small clutch of candidates. Amongst the media Martinez is now obviously the out-and-out front-runner by some considerable margin, with late re-entrant Rodgers way behind in second and Laudrup in third. The remainder limp on with just one or two tips a piece. RED LENIN

STILL POSSIBLE
Martinez, Rodgers, Laudrup, Ancellotti, Nicol, Bielsa, Klinsman, Dutch Squad.

RULED OUT
Kean, Klopp, Guardiola, Mourinho, Lambert, Redknapp, O'Neill, de Boer, Deschamps, Rijkard, Allegri, van Gaal, Villas-Boas, Capello, Pardew, Benitez,.


Wont the Dutch Squad be busy prepearing for the Euros? 23 managers now that would be a first ;)

Rebel_Red


I'm sorry mate but I don't get how you came by these 2 lists
They look like a few names that have been linked with a few of your own suggestions thrown in. They mean nothing


Nooo not steve kean !
derryred


RED LENIN why is Rafa ruled out?


How I come by the two lists? The clue is in the post if yyou actually read it instead of scanning every tenth word. - Europes media. ie reading all the websites of all the major media in the UK and Europe and cross -referencing them. That's how. None are my suggestions, they are the suggestions of sportswriters from London to Moscow. To Rebel-Red, If you read my update from yesterday you would know that 'Dutch Squad' referes to a mjor Ditch newspaper running a stroy that Liverpool's next manager would be from the current management of the Dutch Squad (4 individuals). Updated list around the same time tomorrow. RED LENIN


 

 

24 May 2012 19:39:34
martinez flies into miami for talks with fenway ! Lets fly in paul jewel and steve bruce who both had good spells at wigan, jewel even kept them up .
If this is goin to be our manager then im very worried about the cash injection for new players as he is renowned for workin on a tight budget ! do you agree eds ?
kopace


 

 

24 May 2012 19:39:01
Hi Edds

How come lfc aren't going for someone like Bert van Marwijk?

This guy has turned Holland from an okay team to world beaters.
Dave


Sorry - have I missed something, when did Holland rule the world under him.


Where have you been under a rock??

Euro 2008 QF
World cup Final 2 years ago.
Euro 2012 one of the favourites teams to win the competition.

Dave


 

 

24 May 2012 19:38:12
It should be the manager buying the players to suit his Style of play, someone else buying is going to see a lot of players coming and going.


 

 

24 May 2012 19:34:05
Mickey Mouse made Liverpool manager.
We will support whoever is manager say the supporters.
We support our club, said Joe Nomark.
What has happened to you Sheeple !
We are LIVERPOOL, not Wigan !
Look at our record.
Aim for the stars, you might reach the Moon.
I am fed up with this small minded attitude.
Think small, you will get small.
I can think for myself, can you ?
Being a supporter also means you criticise.
Who pays the wages, the supporters.
Who is the 12th man ? The supporters.
Get an A-list manager. Not a B-list bloke.


Don't slag the man off before he's been appointed, give him a chance.
Unless you have 300 odd million to buy the club stop whining, back the manager and the owners


Are you saying there has not been ANY criticism on this site?
Don't forget 'A' list managers need to be attracted to the position and don't give me the 'We Are Liverpool' rubbish. We are NOT the Liverpool from those halcyon days. Maybe we will be again but at the moment we are nowhere near that, so I repeat, how do we attract the 'A' list manager?

Puzzled


With fans like u who needs enemies. i for one like martinez appointment and will be right behind him like the other 99.9 of true fans


Delusional or what - one thing supporters don't do is pay the wages, may just be enough to pay the electricity - supporters to every football team in the PL are an incovenience - we mean nothing to the money men - the last people that cared about us .was Shankly and Paisley


Who did shankly manage before Liverpool?..ferguson before man u? Big names aren't always the answer. Do you want us to be like Chelsea?


B list manager for b list club


The 12th man....ahhh yes thar guy who many a liverpool manager has been grateful for over the years...unless your name is Roberto Martinez and then the 12th man is sat at home sulking like a big girl. If you doom merchants are right then the team and manager will need the 12th man more than ever. Give the new regime a fair chance.


Derek {Ed016's Note - Derek, anymore swearing in your posts or abuse you will be facing a ban)


A list managers were b list once my friend, be wise and chill. Will you cease your support if we don't get the manager you want? Ask yourself this question?
Bazzaa


Puzzled We attract a A list manager by just calling Rafael Benitez! Simple's!


 

 

24 May 2012 19:28:10
No matter who the next manager is we should back him and then judge him at the end of the season , i wonder , if we get martinez you will hear all the moaners going on about this and that , and then he wins the prem , imagine their faces , and it will be " well i was backing him from the start and wanted him for our club ," i can see it now , give whoever our next manager is our support and things wil come good for us , bye the way , roberto di meatteo won 2 cups , and he might not get the managers job at chelski , but i wonder how many chelski fans would have thought he could win them the champs league , not one of them ,,,,,,,,,,mickey b


 

 

24 May 2012 19:24:02
Why would Martinez meet FSG in Miami not Boston... its not even like they're close?

GuvTOB {Ed002's Note - Henry's business is based out of Boca and he lives in Florida.}


 

 

24 May 2012 19:23:56
There have been a few comments about Dave Whelan's running commentary asking what is her up to?

The answer is he's doing his job as chairman of Wigan.

1) He's slipping in as many reasons as he can why Marinez should stay put.

2) He's reminding every potential replacement that Wigan is the best place for ambitious young managers

You get nice uncle dave who's honest, loyal and won't sack you.
You get control over everything
If you do well and a bigger club offers you more money, he'll let you go without a fuss.
He'll even big you up every year to encourage them.

Of course, he also likes the sound of his own voice.

travellingmike


And maybe its his tactics to get rid of him cos he knows it was close shave to be relegated and if he gets rid of him then he has to pay him?


Dave Whelan seems almost desperate to get rid Martinez, touting him to every club possible. If Martinez is the "next big thing" in management like everybody seems to think, then I would have expected Whelan to at least put up some sort of fight to keep hold of him.


Love all that!! Ha ha


 

 

24 May 2012 19:21:59
I think its an absolute disgrace what these yonks are doing to us, making a mockery out of our great club. Riikjard would be my choice, but all this should have been supported before KK was let go


What and done stuff behind his back!


Post your name coward

big red g


Yes and no. They are in a situation where they have got just this one chance to get this right at all levels. Get it wrong and they'll hundreds of millions out of pocket with a rapdily devaluing asset. RED LENIN


What are you talking about? Dave Whealan is the blabber mouth! Imagine if we had asked to speak to Martinez before asking KK to step aside all the drama queens would have been on here saying that they hadn't shown the King any respect. Get a grip mate there businessmen going about there business end off. But I do agree I would have gone for Rijkaard but I support LFC not the owners or manager so whoever get the job I just hope they do a good job.

Mike


What's the disgrace - we were almost in administration with the possibility of playing championship football without them - like it or not they were our saviours, so give them a chance to progress us - they are known winners at sports.


Utter bull rijkard has done woeful since his barca days. and anyone could av managed the squad of superstars


Would be great choice IMO. But... Apparently he does partake in some suspect social activities which they have said no to.


A disgrace? What are you talking about?


 

 

24 May 2012 19:20:24
Hi, I was reading comments from Dave Whelan about hearing about the new structure Liverpool will have and how the manager will have less and less say in decisions. What do you think and do you think it will put perspective managers?

Thanks, Andy


How the bloody hell would whelan know how liverpool plan to structure
hes a complete tool


Whelans an honest forthright man.He had no reason to talk about LFC boardroom experience if it wasnt true,regardless of Martinez situ


 

 

24 May 2012 19:19:34
Liverpool need to buy some decent wingers. Who are we interested in


Decent wingers I suppose
Robbie


 

 

24 May 2012 19:12:15
hiya macc , im not having a go at you , but you said that our main targets would be soldado and muain ( spelling ) , are these 2 still our top targets or will that change when the new people come in ,,,,,mickey b


Hey Mcfly, we have no manager yet.How can Macca tell you whether our new manager would want the same first choice targets that Kenny wanted.Let's wait and see who the manager is before we start getting excited in the transfer market.


I think you can take it for granted that new Coach, new Director of Football, installation of a continental style management set-up will mean that there will be a thorough review of targets and players we wish to off-load. Going to be a very turbulent, very surprising summer I think. RED LENIN


Hey Mcfly thats a classic lmao lololo


 

 

24 May 2012 19:11:05
IF Martinez is appointed manager, it's worth noting that the People ran with the story before Kenny was even sacked..Like I say, IF....But, should it happen, there's a journalist who's in the know...Rome 77


Martinez will be a gamble . if pay of owner will say see we are intaligent if flop that will cost liverpool very badly.


 

 

24 May 2012 19:09:05
Bring on Van der gaal!!!!


 

 

24 May 2012 19:09:03
I hope roberto Martinez doesn't read this site, coz if he did, he'd tell most of you lot to stick your job up your hole, and he'd rightly ask where the world famous liverpool support has gone!
He isn't the most decorated manager, and as a result not everyone's 1st choice, but slagging a bloke off and making him feel very unwelcome just coz he's got the audacity to be in the frame? Have a think! What sort of start is that to the relationship if he gets it? Since when have Liverpool been the sort of club that gets on a fellas back without giving him a chance? We're better supporters than this surely?
Whoever gets the job will get his name shortened by me as if he's my bezzy mate, and I'll love him like he's family, and it won't just be until we hit our first bad spell either! I thought all Liverpool fans were like that?! come on boys, we look after our own, whoever they may turn out to be!

Davedee


Hope he does read the site, it will be most welcome f*** off i have ever had.


Couldnt agree more. sum waste of space so called lfc fans on here. the real support r right with martinez if given job


 

 

24 May 2012 19:07:33
Martinez will not be the new Liverpool manager, heard he is tipped to be the new West Brom manager.
No idea who our manager will be though, but AVB is the most common name I'm hearing, wouldn't put money on it though.

Lee C


I think he is the only manager approached that is attached to a club , - avb Free , Laudrup - Free LVG - free Capello - Free. Also that Dave Whelan just loves chatting to SSN with his digs at LFC !!
Guinnessred8


 

 

24 May 2012 19:01:15
Hi eds, Am I right in thinking that the DOF or Sporting Director, or whatever the title will be, would have more to do with attracting and signing players than the manager?

Which would surely nullify all the arguments from the person brigade that insist we won't be able to sign big name players if Martinez is appointed.

Cheers,
Mike {Ed002's Note - Right, a replacement for Comolli, but perhaps someone experienced in the game.}


I believe the owners wish to install a continental style practice whereby what we would regard as 'manager' becomes first team Coach and concentrates on coaching the first team and that is all and reports to a Director of Football and that is all. The Director of Football in turn controls the first team coach, reserves coach, academy coach and scouts. he decides all matters regarding who gets sold, who gets bought, and who gets promoted into the first team. I would go further and add that I have heard a story that Dalgish would have been given another year if he had agreed to that set-up being put in place but wouldn't and that was the final nail in his coffin. RED LENIN


 

 

24 May 2012 18:58:49
to all the moaners who moan about the owners not putting money into the club , remember that they paid of our debts and gave kenny alot of money to buy players , so they have put a few hundred million into the club , if you have read the posts on this site you will make out that luis van gaal is the new D,O,F, and he will be signing the new players , all the manager has to do is get the team playing good football , which martinez did at wigan and AVB did the same at porto ,


 

 

24 May 2012 18:58:43
I dont want Martinez,nice man though he is,however if we MUST have him then i feel an experienced D.O.F is a must.
And maybe,just maybe it would work with Martinez under Van Gaals wing so to speak. That apart Eds how old now is Van Gaal? Would he get job outright and Martinez as coach with view to taking reigns in 2/3 years? That would be safer option in my view


Agree with you totally, Martinez on his own, just doesn't seem right. I don't think he is anywhere near to run on of the giants yet


 

 

24 May 2012 18:57:21
i m not against martinez as boss but i dont think he will bring us champions league football next season. neither will avb. the only man touted for the job i can see achieving immediate success is van gaal.


 

 

24 May 2012 18:57:12
Could martinez be in any way shape or form a success at such a big club depending a few years back he was the manager of a championship Swansea and has only ever been in relegation battles...? T.D


 

 

24 May 2012 18:55:52
Martinez try's to play attacking football but Hodgson is a more successful in terms of steadying ships. My worry is that if Martinez becomes as successful as Hodgson then that will delay our development by another year.
Having said that, he has massive protential and I for one will back any manager.

Eds, why does Mourinho claim "he will never manage Liverpool and they ( presuming boardroom) know why"?


 

 

24 May 2012 18:54:06
Ok ive resigned myself to the fact that we are now NOT the most intelligent football fans in the world..........
WHY are we not giving Martinez a chance?.....IF he gets the job............
where did your precious Guardiola come from?.......errrr Barcelona's B team................not to mention any top manager who has ever gone on to better things including Shanks........how many times do these so called top managers go to other so called top clubs and fail!....Ancellotti.....AVB......Van Gaal.......Rijkaard......Ranieri........Benitez even!.........Theyve all done it!.....when are we all going to get it, it dosnt matter if its Martinez as long as he gets the job done right and takes the club forward, do you not think he deserves a chance at a big club?....and if not then how are these managers supposed to improve?.........Im afraid to say the Aston Villas of this world are no longer stepping stones to our job because were in the same bracket as them right now and trying to get back where we claim to belong..........
Wind your necks in people and start giving the club some support.........you know....The thing that were all supposed to do when we stick together through the wind and the rain...or have you all forgotten that too?...........
The Guv 81-9 YNWA JFT96..............In Despair....


Look what team he was taking charge of after bara b team, most people in the world could have won what he did with the team there totally different case.


Bang on Guv mate. Regardless of who is appointed coach/manager, we must support them. Now personally, I ve stated id love to see Van Gaal appointed as manager but if we get him as Director of Football, i'll be happy with that.

Sometimes I wonder are our supporters for real. We all want success, but we must establish a platform for that success to be achieved. You cant build a house without laying foundations, simple.

In all honesty, our current squad is no where near winning the league, but is certainly capable of reaching champions league football. I would consider finishing 4th next year in the league as a success and then build on that again.

As we sing You'll Never Walk Alone. we sing it for a reason, we stick together, through good and bad., high and lows and we ALWAYS support each other.

I guarentee ya Guv mate, these will be the very same "supporters" who will be cheering his 60 % win rate next season if we manage to finish 4th or 3rd that are calling for his head and he hasnt even been interviewed yet!

Rebel_Red


Rebel red....Bang on
The Guv 81-9


Well said me old china... Spot on.


 

 

24 May 2012 18:49:38
i love lfc to the core but these r dark days martinez is crap the only reason wigan started winning games is because they had to go for it,and yes they played really attacking football but only when there prem future depended on it,the beginning of the season they played with a defensive midfielder and got smashed everyweek,and which players are we gonna attract,diame????


Finally, after all the pro Martinez nonsense, with all he is future of football crap, all this he is master tactician bs (where did that one come from), and he only has ordinary results because he has to make do those ordinary players Wigan have. How has Martinez stock risen so high. I will tell you he is the current media darling, just Hodgson, before. I just can't believe ten games at the tail end of this season makes the man a genius. Shocking stuff


 

 

24 May 2012 18:49:16
i have herad that there is a good manager ready and able to manage our club, goes by the name of........


Kenny Dalglish!!


I think he's in line for the chelsea job. Abramovich said to be shocked by the rash, premature sacking of him at liverpool.

Simsimo


I've heard there's an even better one - Rafa!!!!!!


I've heard it's Graeme Souness....

Redjinal


 

 

24 May 2012 18:49:05
There's a world of difference between paying Martinez 2m a year than paying Gaurdiola or Mourinho 9 to 13m a year.
Should Martinez get the job then I will wish him well and hope he's a success because I love this club and will support regardless until my last breath.
I'm still not convinced he will get the job though.


How much did the owners give kenny to spend on the likes of downing , and how much debt did they pay off on our club ,ffs read whats happening , LVG is the important one , he is the one who will be buying the players , and the one who has the knowledge of players from abroad , and just maybe between the 2 of them we will get good players and a team that plays attacking football , or maybe you want rafa back who will moan straight away about the money and his counter attacking tactics , because he has no other type of tactic ,


If you read my post properly then you will understand what I'm saying.
FSG are a business first and foremost and like any business it needs to operate accordingly.
Previously we was paying to much on wages from within the club. This has now dramatically changed and will change further. Champions league used to be able for us to afford such high earners but now we do not play in such a valuable competition.
We simply couldnt go on the way we have been.
Martinez situation would be ideal in terms of his contract would not be as costly as others. Should things not work out then rediculaus compensation would be far less.
I assume Martinez will solely be responsable for coaching, fitness, tactics and formations of a squad. The new DOF and his team will focus on transfers and deals.


 

 

24 May 2012 18:48:29
is everyone stupid all these fake links to players we need a manager first lol then he will bring in his choice most likly after the euros


 

 

24 May 2012 18:45:07
"you heard it here 1st" don't you hate it when you read that?gettin abit inpatient can't wait till somethin happens!cant the eds just make somethin up for us pls.only messin good stuff eds don't know how you put up with it.
Kp


 

 

24 May 2012 18:42:57
Eds/Macca

Does Martinez fill the right boxes for FSG?
I mean he's young, enthusiastic, confident, low wage
Spanish and knows the EPL and the players within.
I know he's not my choice and in my opinion it shows lack of ambition.
I must say though that if he was the better in interview and is a part of a winning plan then I'll support whoever gets the job.
Who knows maybe he will be a success.
Also I hear that Dalglish was sacked due to health worries and was asked to resign but declined due to his heart.
I heard his family was concerned for his health.
If this is true then maybe the fans can understand and get off the backs of the owners.
Cheers SL76


 

 

24 May 2012 18:41:36
Please please , can somebody please enlighten me and tell me what do the owners see in Martinez ?? All i see is a middle of the table finish (if we lucky). It is simple either Van Gaal or AVB for me.
Reds supporter for 30yrs


 

 

24 May 2012 18:41:03
eds does anyone have a clue what is going on at our club??

red dan {Ed002's Note - I don't see there is an issue but I do notice that some of the fans are whipping themselves in to a frenzy.}


I think it's a sign of the times. People think any and all information should be immediately available. Not one trace of patience on this site... as soon as we get a manager confirmed there will be a bout of moaning about him and then we will start all over again wondering what the delay is in signing 5 world class players.
We have countless posters criticising the owners when they themselves wouldn't be able to run a whelk stall (whatever that is)

Puzzled


 

 

24 May 2012 18:38:26
Lots of people criticising potential managers due to lack of trophies or big team experience. Here is a list of some of the most successful managers of all time, with the club they managed prior to achieving success:

Guardiola – Barcelona B team
Fergusson – Aberdeen
Wenger – Nagoya Grampus Eight
Dalglish (1985/6) – No managerial experience
Capello - Atalanta Bergamasca Calcio
Bob Paisley – No managerial experience
Bill Shankly – Huddersfield Town
Brian Clough – Hartlepool United (division 4)
Giovanni Trapattoni – Milan youth team
Marcello Lippi – Atalanta

These names are in almost every list of all-time great managers. None of them had won trophies, or managed big clubs, prior to achieving success.
Our new manager, no matter who it is, deserves our full support. Judge him on the results he achieves at Liverpool, not on where he came from.

Red Steve.


MOURINIHO he was a translater or something for sir bobby robson at barcelona lol

ACHILLES.


Nice.

phillyred


Achilles - good point, kind of missed him because everyone associates his success at Chelsea.
After being a translator, Mourinho was refused a contract extension at Benfica, before managing UniĂ£o de Leiria. He then won the UEFA cup, Portugese cup, Portugest leage and Champions League with Porto.
Red Steve


He was indeed ACHILLES mate. lol

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96


Keep that heel covered up Achilles

Puzzled


 

 

24 May 2012 18:38:17
The fact that Roberto Martinez has gone to Miami for an interview with FSG is a bit worrying in my opinion. If you consider what FSG said when they began the search for a new manager, they said, "We are looking for someone who has experience at the highest level and can be in charge for the next 5 years and beyond." Does Roberto Martinez fit that category or do we have better options available?

Martinez has managed Swansea and Wigan, 2 clubs where staying in the premier league is considered an achievement, but a good league position would be exceptional. With this in mind there is a different sort of pressure on the manager as Martinez would have kept his job this year even if Wigan had gone down. The circumstances at liverpool will be completely different as he is likely to go if he doesn't have us at least competing for Champions league football. So what credentials does he have to be considered worthy of this step up?

He has won the League 1 title and a few manager of the month awards. His win percentage is 26.77% with Wigan, considering that this season City's win % was 73% and Arsenal's was 55% he will have to make a vast improvement. Ok he will have more resources and a better squad available to him but he will also have have very little margin for error. In my opinion it is too early for him.

Looking at one of his competitors in Andre Villas-Boas, you see a manager in a similar stage of his managerial career to Martinez, however the big difference for AVB, is that no matter what job he takes next, it will be make or break for him. He will have learned from his experience at Chelsea and in my opinion will have improved as a result. He has also managed at the highest level during his short career and knows the pressure of being a premiership manager for a top team. His win percentage for Porto was 88.24% which is nothing short of remarkable. But most importantly, he has won trophies at the top level. The Europa league is not an easy competition to win as all the English clubs that qualified found out this year.

Considering all of this information, I cannot understand why AVB has not been named Liverpool manager yet given that a year ago he was the most coveted manager in the world excluding Mourinho. I refuse to believe that Martinez is the only manager to have been given an interview, I just think that he may be the only manager who is tied to a club who is being interviewed. I also think that the press know very little about the situation at the moment which is why Martinez is the only definitive man being named for the job. If this is not the case then FSG are either prepared to take a massive gamble on an unproven manager at the top level or have seriously messed up and are settling for a man that they don' really want. Either way I can see the solution being resolved by the end of the week.

Sorry for the log post, any thoughts would be appreciated.

Ben


100% agree mate - different kind of pressure totally.

Wigan, Swansea, et al are pleased with a draw at places like ours - which isn't good enough for Liverpool or any side with Champions League / Title ambitions.

That said, Martinez appears to be a very good coach who understands and reads the game very well, so I think the all important appointment is the Director of Football role, something which unfortunately gets little air time on here.


You raise some good points Ben, thought out and thorough arguments. What worries me is that his performance at Chelsea was really tactically inept and his man management skills were really dire. What worries me more is he didn't get the press onside here either, and if he has a bad start then being Liverpool boss will bring him even more ridicule.

Having said that if it was a straight choice between him and Martinez then Noas has to be the one but I'm not so sure this is the case. There are more candidates for the job?

All the best

Gazman


As others have pointed out, its very hard to use credentials to predict future success.

Many great managers had no managerial credentials whatsoever (.e.g Paisley).

As owners/the Board, you go with what feels right, given your vision for the club.


To be honest we didn't turn up in the F.A cup final against chelsea either under kenny. Would you say that proved Kenny tactically inept?!

Jordan


 

 

24 May 2012 18:38:01
I don't understand these negative posts about Martinez. First off he hasn't been appointed yet and it was reported that interviews with candidates would start at the end of the week, which it niw is and i'd imagine others will be interviewed too.

If Martinez is appointed we need to get behind him, show our support and give him a chance - let him spend some money and we all know how Wigan played/tried to play last season and over the last few years.

Personally if i was in charge and making the decision i'd appoint AVB but Martinez is a great option and i think we could all benefit with an experience D.O.F to help him such as Van Gaal or even Rafa.

Hans


 

 

24 May 2012 18:37:53
Anyone else getting sick of Dave Whelan coming out saying he knows this he knows that regarding Liverpool Football Club is he Liverpool,s new chairman or somthing
And one thing Mr Whelan Liverpool will always be a big club why fanbase history tradition .


 

 

24 May 2012 18:33:32
Macca/eds, has AVB been ruled out of the running for the managers position? Or whats the latest with him? I personally would like to see him at liverpool thanks guys lfc nath


 

 

24 May 2012 18:23:54
yet again certain fans getting carried away and needing to get a grip, so we know martinez will be meeting the owners in the next day or so, doesnt mean hes got the job or hes nailed on for gods sake!!, fans coming on here since it broke on sky that hes due to meet them and getting hysterical again having a go at fsg, and how "we are gonna be in championship with martinez", or "we are in crisis", well the very first piece of information that we learnt after kenny was sacked was we wanted to speak to martinez and wigan gave us permission??, we knew this over a week ago and now it happens people are surprised??, im pretty sure he wont be the only one they talk to, just makes me laugh people all this week posting that martines,avb van gaal, benitez would all be appointed the very next day "my source tells me" or "guaranteed" or the best one "you heard it here first", all reacting to bookies odds and paper talk, have a word with yourselves and calm down drama queens

mark m hullred


 

 

24 May 2012 18:21:42
I have no qualms about Whelan coming out and telling the whole world about Martinez flying to Miami but the fact that he keeps taking digs at Liverpool is something thats really pissing me off!!
Who gives him the right to critisize FSG publically while theyre doing their job behind steel reinforced doors??
Furthermore, he says interviewing 6 managers is understandable but what will the candidates be thinking about? Well my answer to you is THIS IS NOT WIGAN! You can pick whoever you like and announce it the next day but id rather prefer FSG to select the candidate based on a full comparison, their attitude and ideas to what they can bring on the table cannot be seen on a paper or over a telephone call, it has to be done in person!
Talk about desperate, he comes out and reveals to the whole galaxy what he may recieve as compensation! Like WTF :s Shallow!!
Anyhoo, I think Martinez will work just fine with a figure like Van Gaal or Begiristain.
RedSox69


 

 

24 May 2012 18:21:18
Although most fans would like to have a big name manager appointed, I think Martinez is the man for the job. We already play a quick pass and move type of football; therefore, the transition of Martinez as manager would be fairly fluid. If he does get the job, we as supporters need to get behind him and forget about our poor finish last season. If we are to move forward, we need to believe we can get top four; no if ands or buts about it.


 

 

24 May 2012 18:18:07
Well, most people say that Martinez will be a rubbish at our club. And we have better players than Wigan. Well they beat us and all the other big boys, playing great football. A great manager starts somewhere, So maybe the time is right for him to go to the next level and manage a big club. Cappello would make us boring and hard to beat. AVB would bottle it halfway through the season. Then where would we be. The fans got what we wanted with KK. But did not go to plan unfortunately. So if Martinez is going to be our new manager then i will say good luck, and wish him well, and get behind my team. If it goes pair shaped. Then we will have to start again. But what ever happens, i will still support my great club. And ALWAYS WILL


 

 

24 May 2012 18:37:27
Reading some of the posts on here over the last 24/48 hours, I'm almost ashamed to call myself a Liverpool supporter. All this bitching is worthy of the plastic Champions of England and Europe, NOT the mighty LFC. Whoever is appointed as manager, he should recieve our unreserved support. WE ARE LIVERPOOL for christs sake. People coming on here spouting off and saying things like: "I will NEVER support Martinez" and "Noooooooo, never" ...well, I tell ya, these so called "Supporters" posting comments like that wanna be ashamed of themselves. If its Roberto Martinez, good luck boss. You'll Never Walk Alone.


Couldnt agree more. personaly i think martinez is the best out there of the limited contenders


I agree with ya mate cause if the fans dnt get behind him and the team,we got no chance,


 

 

24 May 2012 18:30:31
Ed002 Ta

Puzzled


 

 

24 May 2012 18:29:16
Well it seems this site today is full of people who will shot down anyone saying anything against Martinez and the 'ambitious' owners that we have.

Well call me anything you like but I will reserve judgement on him IF he becomes our manager, and I hope to God that he doesn't.

Once again I bow down before the 'ambitious goals' set out by FSG.


VM YNWA


If you're "hoping to God" he doesn't become manager you've already issued a judgement of sorts.


 

 

24 May 2012 18:28:32
Are we still interested in David villa and if we are should we go for him.


 

 

24 May 2012 18:08:00
Are some of others surprised as me that media is focussed on managerial position where as DOF in our new structure may be the most important and also the fact that DOF must be the first position of priority then manager.
That what makes me wonder is DOF already sealed?
LVG may be?

Red indian
Ps-if its martinez 100% reds will be behind him


The reason no dof is that the new manager might want 100% control of the club so a dof will not be needed this could be why managers are not interested in vacancy i.e villas boas . dave whelan states in interview that martinez does want control of everything and i dont blame him .

alan waddle


I was thinking the same thing. the DOF has to be sealed already or they wouldnt be going for a manager


 

 

24 May 2012 18:07:51
Hi (Eds) and Everyone else.
On the BBC > Martinez in talks with John Henry, today in Miami. Whelan expects decision in a couple of days.

I think we can say Martinez 99% a Liverpool F.C.

So we must accept it and give him the support and welcome he dwarves.

JUST REMEMBER Martinez never got K.K sacked and who can blame him for taking the job and trying to improve himself.

Personally I'll be glad when when this Managers position is put to bed. Everyone blames FSG for another laughing stock we find ourselves in. I think the some of the fans can take the blame for the never ending moaning and groaning and the necessity to be updated with every single last detail of anything a fan deems important to them.
More infuriating, is when fans demand for instant resolutions to transfer dealing for example. Just let certain things run their course and be patient.

i really hope we are successful in the transfer market this coming season and the New manager can settle in quickly. For the sake of our club.


 

 

24 May 2012 18:04:47
Do you believe there is still any chance of Villas-Boas becoming the manager? Just before I resign myself to Martinez.


Avb has proved himself woeful in prem lge. martinez for me all the way


Personally I would prefer Martinez than Villas-Boas any day of the week!


I'd prefer neither!


 

 

24 May 2012 18:04:37
So if you get Martinez will your owners give him more than one season

I'm a united fan but I come in peace.

I think he's a good young manager, but Henry's treatment of both dalgleish and Roy Hodgson was unreasonable IMO.

Hopefully you guys give him a decent chance, if he gets the job


Philiphs93


I find myseld agreeing with a United fan!

The world really has gone mad.

If we sign Martinez he will have to perform and keep performing or he will be gone in less than 1 season.

Downing is a similar situation on paper he had the potential but by his own admission playing for LFC is different to anything he had experienced before - he said he had never played somewhere where the team was expected to win every game!
Martinez is exactly the same he has never worked anywhere with the expectation and pressure!!

God I hope FSG get it right cause its becoming a joke - potentially 5 managers in a very short period.

YNWA jns


 

 

24 May 2012 18:02:13
Just read the dw quotes from bbc website and he does'nt confirm anything exept he is in miami!! though he does ASSUME!! he is having talks.....

77to2005


And we all know what assume does makes an ASS-U-ME lol

Mickleburg


 

 

24 May 2012 18:02:10
We need to unite, stand firm, support LFC and oust FSG!

The campaign must start now,we dont have long to save our club from FSG.


My word, go and behave yourself somewhere quiet.

Tristan


Why do you want the owners out who saved the club , paid off the clubs debts and gave kenny many millions to improve the squad , they never had any say in the likes of downing , coming to the club they trusted kenny and kenny failed , he failed the owners ,the club and the supporters , so go outside and give your head a shake , i bet you want rafa back aswell so he can moan to the press again over money ,


I respect your opinion and everyone is entitled to their own, but yours is wrong and you're a disgrace and deluded.
Sir eggbut nobacon


What a muppet

Red raj


Get a life!!


What's your Membership number for the
Spirit Of Shankly Brigade!

Go Far Far away

Lyndon


I think your on your own there buddy!
Bazzaa


 

 

24 May 2012 17:50:21
Agree if you want Roberto Martinez as manager....disagree if you want somebody else/.....please please post EDS...Very interesting to see what peiple say...thanks a million for all your hard work..much appreciated


I neither agree or disagree. If he does get the job I'll support him because he's joining the lfc family. I honestly can't decide who I want most so I'll be greatfull to the man who wants the job bad enough to come and get it. We're just coming out of a bad storm and there's still crap all over the place but I think fsg are doing what they can to clean it up and prevent it happening again. Good times ahead.

Eric the red


 

 

24 May 2012 17:49:14
well skin its come to my attention that recently your information has been quiet poor below par if you will its like your all duck and no dinner. well anyway i would like to ask you one question please. i would like to ask you a question and thus would hope for you to reply. my question is a quick one so it wont take long for you to reply to it. so anyway moving on to my question now. i would like to ask you is it true that martinez has gone for talks to sort out a contract or is it true that liverpool are looking to crawley towns assistant manager? so basically i would appreciate it if you could give me an answer as soon as possible. and also where do you ascertain your information?


 

 

24 May 2012 17:47:21
Hey guy's, I posted earlier on the week the three candidates are AVB, Martinez and Landrup. They still are but Lnadrup has now had his interview and failed to impress, It's out of AVB and Martinez desipte what the press say decision should still be made on Monday!
Himesh


Go on, have one more go at saying Laudrup. You can do it.


 

 

24 May 2012 17:39:54
I can not believe Martinez record gets brought up every time he gets mentioned on here... Let me explain something, he has a 29% win ratio At Wigan! Rafa Benitez at Real Valladolid Had a 17% win ratio and got sacked because He was bottom of the league, the same at Osasuna he was sacked after 9 games with a 27% ratio... But things worked out alright in the end. If Martinez got the job I for one would back him 100% and judge him solely on his time at LFC.

His Wigan side play good quick pacey football, something I have seen posters on here beg for, yet when the owners try and make that happen it's get the yanks out. Some person said they put the final nail in the coffin, over dramatic much??

We all was hoping for a pep or bielsa but that's not going to happen, what I can not understand is why everyone wants AVB, he was awful in the premier league, poor football, horrible to youngsters, poor training, poor attitude in general, yet most fans are willing to back him over someone just because they managed Wigan. Just remember where the likes of shanks come from.

A lot of fans really need to realise that Martinez is very likely to be our new manager, so I would start preparing now and hopefully we all stick together and hopefully we can all get us back to where we belong, because managers, owners or fans we all want the same thing.

G BOX


Spot on, all the whingers are driving me mad!
kidmillions


Hit the nail on the head my friend.
Sir eggbut nobacon


You want to judge rafa on the other teams , well if you use the same thing with AVB when he was at porto then your figures will be better than the chelsea figures , i liked the fact he never got beat in his last season at porto with 27 wins and 3 draws and he won the europa league aswell so what is his stats with them facts ive made , just maybe thats the reason people prefer AVB to martinez , i prefer AVB over martinez but if we got martinez i would not be that dissapointed because he does get the team to play good football , and AVB learned his trade off the special one ,


Defo martinez for me


 

 

24 May 2012 17:38:01
Do FSG seriously regard Martinez as the best candidate, or is he just the cheapest option.
Either way, one has to consider their lack of knowledge/insight, or worry about their lack of money.
If this is the best that FSG can do for lFC, then I have to say we deseperately need new owners!!.


I don't see a 3million buyout clause to Wigan that cheap, AVB would be free


Nail and head,want success,but think they'll get it on cheap-wroooonnngggg


Grow up. martinez will have us play football dalglish failed


Kenny was on 4m per year
Martinez would cost 3m compensation (1 off) and 3-4m per year
AVB would cost 7-8m per year (maybe more)

If FSG are serious they will pay for AVB.

Anyone watch Moneyball the film (based on true events) John W Henry wanted to make Billy Beane the highest paid GM in baseball history so I believe money will not be the ultimate factor I think willingness to work to FSG plan and work with a DOF (or equivalent) by players for you will be the deciding factors.

NS


 

 

24 May 2012 17:35:31
Positions starting to be filled at the club and Martinez in Miami talking to the owners. Lets start to support the club
Milkmatrix


 

 

24 May 2012 17:35:03
we are liverpool, we are not one man, we are a collective, players, staff and fans. whoever gets the job will have my full backing, they deserve at least a chance. football has a history of managers who may not have been successful at a club, or an unknown person that has then gone on to become great, pepe, jose are great examples even pardew at the mo, hell even steve mclaren has found a club where he can be a success.
we need to give the new manager a chance, for those of you who dont want a certain manager at the club and will not support him need to remember one thing, we are liverpool

big red g


I thought the BORG were the only collective

Maybe Henry is a member of the Borg and has ascimilated Liverpool, Hope not!

Captain Jon Luc Picard


 

 

24 May 2012 17:30:52
Koptalk are saying Martinez on the verge of becoming Liverpool manager... is this true Ed? {Ed002's Note - Do you bother reading any posts at all?}


Do you even bother reading Koptalk also

gee man


Maybe he IS koptalk!


 

 

24 May 2012 17:30:40
hi edds macca i think this manager search is shocking martinez or rogers pls come on we can do much better then them surley it would end up another hodgson think lvg would be a great manager for us but seems they wont consider him cause of age thoughts pls

mike


Or his track record of losing his head, falling out with players arguing with anyone that doesn't agree with him. I feel he would be a short term measure and lead to us. Seeing a new manager in 3 years FSG are looking for a long term manager and I feel this is the correct way to go. Martinez or Borell


 

 

24 May 2012 17:29:44
Until we have at least a manager, there is no assurance of any tarnsfer targets therefore the majority of the rumours people will post, repost or create are pure speculation. Don't waste your time reading them.

Management first, players later.


Sorry eds didn't mean to send that I just wanted to type it then delete it to get it off my chest these gys are doing my head in. Do they not realise ever one starts some were once again sorry for posting the insult.

Eric the red


 

 

24 May 2012 17:23:29
Several names mentioned, and still no one has the foggiest!

I'll stick by the name I mentioned a few weeks ago and go for Jupp Heynckes!

Probably as DoF..?

dmedly


Sounds like something you'd find in a garden


 

 

24 May 2012 17:33:23
Dave Whelan is being very vocal about Martinez' movements, where as, since initially naming him, LFC is not. Do you think this is:

a) because he actually wants him to go and is therefore putting the media spotlight on LFC to make the move
b) the opposite of the above

I work in sports media and even i cant work it out

Thanks


I think it's just because he keeps getting asked by journalists every 5 minutes and he's not very good at the old no comment thing. They know that if they can get one or two quotes from him the can spin it out to fill up half a page in their rags.


Putting the media spotlight on himself maybe?

MIKEY


Yeah I think the media are asking him a lot as he is quite approachable in his day to day life, always has been, he doesn't shy away from a question. Some of what he has said is probably related to the fact that if Martinez is to go he wants to know sonn as possible as he will then have the job of finding a new manager for his team. I don't believe anything that he says is out of any spite towards Liverpool football club, far from it.


 

 

24 May 2012 17:23:00
Hi eds theres I live in anfield & usually rumours go round here from people "in the know", an half the time they are just people who are no more in the know than us average joes on the street but there are a few guys who come into the locals after work who work in the ground/melwood who have had spot on info in the past and it's going round like wildfire round here that AVB has got the job and it will be announced within the next 48 hours, could the eds or macca shed any light on if these rumours have any legs or is it just people wishing


I live in anfield and have not heard any of these rumours


 

 

24 May 2012 17:18:10
people who are saying thats theres going to be a new manager this weekend its aload of rubbish were just going to have to wait for like another week or so but the top candidate is AVB at the moment but it can all change thanks


 

 

24 May 2012 17:17:10
One suspects the search is far from over. Singred


 

 

24 May 2012 17:16:16
Martinez looks like the man for FSG then. I keep thinking they are just throwing us off the scent of who they really want tho. Do the eds think there might be a surprise appointment, or do u think it will be Martinez? Thanks alot, keep up good work! Langlfc


The Press are getting it wrong. FSG are not doing anything other than going about there business in a professional manner. The press and fans' thirst for information are the problem not FSG.


 

 

24 May 2012 17:11:55
No roberto martinez! Everyone press agree if u agree.

What i want ti know is why have they brougjt in a guy or are going to get a guy thars no experienxe of the big time. No experienxe of spending big hardlt had hige succeses with his buys, why when we all know how bad kenny soent theve nrought sineone in thats got no experience if big buying or buying giid players. Way it looks they aint givimg a lot of transfer money want a bargain hunter. 70m net soend since cane in ohhh time to save no no no we needed major investment. Yet again liverpool. Fans are set for another summer of unhappiness not hapoy with manager were so lucky. And this has been branded a major summer for us wel there about to make the biggest blunder we could have made we could remember this summer 20 years down the line for the summer they made too many mistakes. Happy days!


Shut up and just support whoever we get, regardless of where he came from.

BthekingB


Maybe Roberto is not going to spend big?

Have you considered the possibility?


Spend big with what,and you honestly believe players will say-fook me LFC got Martinez,best to go there


We wil see


 

 

24 May 2012 17:11:09
great post red g, i like it.
harry h


 

 

24 May 2012 17:10:29
All those calling for KK out a few weeks ago seem to have gone quiet now they faced with the reality of the type of managers we are linked with.
Aaww whats a matter lads? Mourihnio not comming then?


The king was never going to take us to the next level, id like to see what roberto can do with a decent squad


The 'Golden' generation of impatient, now..now..now ... Me..me..me - f


Spot On

Post of the day


 

 

24 May 2012 17:10:07
just a note on so called "smaller" clubs:

"But, on another occasion, Huddersfield (Managed by Shankly) beat Liverpool 5–0 with ten men and Shankly recalled "the Liverpool directors leaving the ground in single file like a funeral procession".


Different age never mind era


 

 

24 May 2012 17:07:22
Not a rumour more of my opionion regarding the recent martinez news.

The Media label the Liverpool fans fickle and tempremental when it comes to manager support and populairty. However when it comes to these issues the fans normally get it spot on! look at downing, many fans didnt want him at the start of last summer but gave him the benefit of the doubt , anyway needless to say he has been a waste of money and the fans were correct.
The owners should listen to the fans , as contary to popular opinion alot of us know our football!

The Wise riggelt


They pay the money - they make the decisions - if you don't want to pay the money to go and watch - Don't.


Poster above a fan is a fan of the club not always all the players,management but the club as whole.you cannot just leave if you disagree its a lifetime contract from the soul you obviously dont get


 

 

24 May 2012 17:06:40
Anybody else a little bit worried for LFC's future if Martinez is at the helm?


What a manager that plays good football and has the potential to become great, give the bloke a chance


I'd only be worried if they brought Benitez, I'd rather have someone with some knowledge and enthusiasm rather than an arrogant one who self publicises himself and is no better than average at most things football.


No more than I would have been with any new management team in place.

Where is written that Martinez must fail if he's appointed and a 'big name' manager would automatically succeed?

Any change is a bit of a gamble- how did Rafa do at Inter? The King himself at Newcastle? Just because someone is more 'established' that does not mean success is guaranteed nor does an manager of supposed lesser stature mean automatic failure.


True poster above but odds of failure are far greater


More worried about young not even giving the Bloke a chance even before he gets the job!!!


To the poster who state's they'd only be worried if Rafa was brought in? You Tosser! Do you know anything about football? {Ed016's Note - I would be looking forward to many more European Cups if Rafa came back)


Well said Ed016! I know he'd bring success back to Anfield! Really hope the owner's see sense!


 

 

24 May 2012 17:06:30
These owners are clueless absolutly clueless! Why on earth are they about ti appoint roberto martinez as our manager this is pathetic behaviour, clowns dont have a clue about football. Stil 5/4 with skynet get over and back him i understand he is the ONLY candidate. Hes cheap wont spend much so pretty much an american businessmans dream. Cowards...


Them - or administration and Championship football. They are winners at sport, they will be with football, but it will take time - give it to them.


Stop complaining about who will be the manager if its martinez then so be it any true supporter will get behind him, i have faith in fsg to make the right decisions nobody knows if martinez will be a great manager i think he deserves the chance imagine if he turns out to be one of the best managers and we passed on him if u want instant glory with an expensive manager then go support city, im sick of reading all these negative posts and im sure the eds are aswell, rant over
lfc4lifeynwa


Instant results?? Have a look at last time we won Title


I have already backed him at 5/2 oh happy days


Cowards? Have a look at yourself no name
No wonder nobody wants to manage us. Who would even want your support..
NextGenRed


 

 

24 May 2012 17:06:21
I really hope martinez doesnt get the job look at our past managers
KK - Won P.L with blackburn!
Hodgson- Won seria A with inter
Rafa- Won La liga with valencia
Martinez - ...
You see my point i have little faith if he gets the job


Very knowledgeable - Hodgson was the big mistake - never won a thing outside Scandinavia - certainly not Seria A with Inter, although he did get them to 7th in the league apparently.


Martinez - Won PL with Liverpool!

Have some faith.

Cheerio


 

 

24 May 2012 17:04:51
Radio Merseyside reporting Martinez flying to Miami for a meeting with Fenway.
kidmillions


 

 

24 May 2012 17:04:43
{Ed002's Note - I thought the fans wanted to be kept informed? Basically you cannot be satisfied.
------------
Every fan loves gossip but this is crazy he just unilaterly comes in media and gives quotes away.what if FSG wanted to keep it quiet?
Surely ed002 you must feel the same.

Red indian
Ps-how you feel about drogba leaving?I don't think torres is up to it.

{Ed002's Note - There was little doubt that Drogba would leave. If Torres wants to move on the club will not stand in his way - I would think it is down to available options.}


Only inform them if it "what they want to hear Ed!"
Tricky

Lyndon


 

 

24 May 2012 17:04:08
Its the club i follow not the manager whoever takes the wheel of the ship should be made welcome ,Its amazing how quick we are to react to certain managers names. Whoever takes the job has got balls, talk about being under the microscope only a person with a stong belief in themselves would even attempt the liverpool job at the moment and whoever it is they have my full support.


gee man


Hear Hear

Good point well made my friend.

Mr Slonk The Red

YNWA


 

 

24 May 2012 17:03:42
We dont want roberto martinez!!!!!!


You mean 'I don't want Roberto Martinez'. That is fine as that is your opinion and prerogative. Please don't label yourself as 'we' as I'd be perfectly fine with Martinez and would support him unequivocally until such time as he proves to be unworthy of said support.

RDL


I personally wanted AVB, however I think Martinez has the knowledge and is still quite young for a manager, he has time to adapt as we all need to. He will get my full backing as did Hodgson, will he screw up - we just don't know yet, give whoever it will be a chance and stop saying no to this manager and that manager.
Bazzaa


 

 

24 May 2012 17:03:29
Dave whelan pays Martinez's wages, he's bloody well entitled to talk about whats going on.
The arrogance of some on here is unbelievable.


 

 

24 May 2012 17:01:50
Roberto Martínez As of 13 May 2012.[46]

Team Matches Won Drawn Lost Win
Swansea City 126 63 37 26 49.00%
Wigan Athletic 127 34 36 57 26.77%

Total 253 97 73 83 38.34%

this what we are gunning for


He's been the manager of Wigan. These stats mean nothing. Get a grip.


Yep, people have a go at his Wigan results. They are a championship team in the prem, some how. He's worked wonders there. And his Swansea record is good, very good actually. Win 50% pretty much. Imagine is we won halp our games, that would be 4 more games than last year. Actually, that would be champions league form. If Martinez wins 50% with us, we will champions league. THINK about it.

Stroke of genius. manager for decades to come.

Burnsy


Burnsy how do you work that out that he has worked miracles steve bruce was the manager in charge before him he finished eleventh with wigan so that must mean steve bruce is the better manager would you defend him if he got the job


 

 

24 May 2012 17:01:27
Rafa has been approached today.

100%


Please Please Plesae - Noooooooooo. I will be eternally grateful for what FSG did keeping us alive, but if they make this mistake - we are doomed to be forever runners up.


I really really hope he has been approached! And the owner's have seen sense! In Rafa we trust!


I would have been very very happy with runner up spot may be your happy with 8th
soul man


 

 

24 May 2012 17:00:34
Rafa Benitez will be appointed as the Liverpool manager on a year contract.


Even if it's for that length of time please accept Rafa! then you can make sure you get an extension by having a successful season!


 

 

24 May 2012 16:54:58
I was watching SS News earlier and they had the chief of the LMA on. "I spoke to AVB last Thursday and he had no contact with LFC at that time" just goes to show that most of what you read in the press in garbage.

YNWA


 

 

24 May 2012 16:53:26
eds do you think is it more likely we will get martinez rather than van gael? #iwantmartinez


Van Gaal as DoF and Martinez as Manager.


 

 

24 May 2012 16:52:12
Afternoon ed fellow reds , hope everyone is enjoying the lovely weather .but back to the manager suitution if we end up with Martinez I feel we will follow the likes of Leeds ,southampton and west ham,and we won't needs 60,000 seats in our stadium.cheers psv


Exactly! People werent showing endve last season


 

 

24 May 2012 16:51:50
Can someone please tell me where in Miami FSG are meeting Martinez. I live in Miami and have exhausted all my contacts in the hotel/hospitality industry and no one knows anything. I would appreciate any info...Miami_Red {Ed002's Note - You want to go around and stare in the window? I suspect Miami is generic and it is actually Boca where the offoices are.}


Thanks for your sarcasm Ed but I merely want to shed some light on this whole cloak and dagger managerial search fiasco. If I knew where they were meeting in Miami I could go down there takes some pics maybe and post them for the world to see. Im a journalist by trade and would think you would at least empathise being a fellow hack and helpme get a scoop and give fellow reds the inside line on this whole merry go round! Boca Raton is not too far from me do you know where the offices are exactly? Miami_Red {Ed002's Note - "Scoop"? You have a dog then?}


Ed002 is right (as usual). Henry's hedge fund operation is based in Boca - like all the other hedge funds in Florida. From Barbados, Martinez will have flown into Miami International if he flew commercial, or Palm Beach Airport if he flew private.


 

 

24 May 2012 16:51:39
Just listened to Dave Whelens interview on Sky Sports and he said that he doubts Martinez will take the job without full control of the youth and everything to do with the club, with the owners obviously with a set out plan do you feel that this means Martinez might rule himself out


^ Hope so!


Martinez had said he would not leave Swansea as manager unless he was "forced out". He later became manager claiming a chance to manage a premeir league team and one which he had played for was "too good to turn down".
What I mean is things can always change! Liverpool is a massive club with alot more responsibilities than a smaller club. I highly doubt he will have absolutely no say in the youth and other aspects, instead will work hand in hand with whoever the DOF will be learning in the process as well.
The chance of working with potentially Van Gaal or Txiki Begiristain might be too hard to turn down?
RedSox69


 

 

24 May 2012 16:50:49
Ie come to the conclusion that not evryone who says a player told them this or that is lying as they know abt as much as us i made a fool of myself this mornin sayin was definatly avb but thats all up in the air now. but i still blieve the manager will come from rogers martinez van gaal avb and laudrup apolgies to the eds n fans. CRAI


 

 

24 May 2012 16:49:07
Right people I can't reply to every ridiculous post on here so here is how I feel.
Everybody who wants the club to go back to doing things the Liverpool way need to look at where that has taken us. Honestly while the Mancs have been developing their revenues and moving forward to be the club they are we have been whining about the boot room reminiscing about how it used to be under shankly and paisley and generally falling behind. We need to move forward and to do this we need to think a little outside the box. I think FSG are doing this looking at a manager like Martinez may upset some of us but at least he hasn't been sacked by other clubs time and again and may bring we ideas that will help us close the gap on the top 4. Anyone compari g his win record against KK wake up they can't be compared when you look at resources and squads.
The new appointments in hogan and cheng also look like bringing experience from outside the club to move us forward without being dragged down by our fans looking into the past.
The process may be upsetting and worrying for some of us but I really hi I it's necessary.
Remember if we do the same as all the clubs ahead of us we can only maintain the gap some calculated risks must be taken in attempts to make up the gap some will work some won't! Keep the faith.
TSB


If I'm reading you right, correct if I'm not, your conclusion is that for us to move forward again we have no option but to appoint Martinez. Why, him though, what has he ever done to warrant such support. He is shocking, he gets Wigan into relegation trouble every year, then manages to save them by the skin of their teeth, eventually that skin will fail to hold them up and Wigan will drop like a lead balloon. I can see you point about moving on, but not if it believes Martinez is the answer.


No mate my conclusion is that to move forward we need to take a few calculated risks and stop trying to recreate the past. Martinez may or may not be the answer but I don't think appointing one of the usual suspects from the recycled managers pool is the way forward Martinez i feel is the best open to us at the moment and he just might be he future
TSB


 

 

24 May 2012 16:44:16
martinez is getting closer to the job ,glad when its done and no more merry go round,or crap stories/rumours.p.s not saying he will be but does sound like it .allfc


God I hope not....Big mistake.


How do you know it's a big mistake when he's not even been given a chance?


 

 

24 May 2012 16:41:40
Martinez in Miami talking to FSG, on BBC website. Like most other reds Id hoped for a bigger name, however, i like the look of RM and think he will do well especially with an experienced name in the DOF position.

Better to have someone who makes their name in history as an LFC great, rather than LFC employing a great name, made famous somewhere else.

Good times ahead

Red G


Tixi as DOF and Martinez as manager.

I for one would take that.

Cheerio


And Borrel as Martinez's Assistant Manager!


 

 

24 May 2012 16:41:32
I read on another site (is that cheating by the way?) that Martinez is being interviewed by FSG right now in the states? anyone know anything about this?
{Ed002's Note - Why don't you read the other posts before posting?}


 

 

24 May 2012 16:38:59
Martinez is my preferred choice and I think he'll be successful.
MIKEYRED
(remember the name when he proves you doubters wrong)


Oh i ll remember lad when he proves us right


 

 

24 May 2012 16:35:43
I wonder if we can get RedBull interesting in a sponsorship deal for the new stadium? I think the Red Bull and Red Liverbird would go well together.
The Bull and Bird


It's what shankly would have wanted


Would give us WINGers !

Rebel_Red


Are you doing an end of year marketing project at college? :)


Blackburn already trying to get them as sponsors by dressing their players as giant cans of red bull.


 

 

24 May 2012 16:30:36
Is dave wheelan an person or what.he is giving all the info to media..he is so shocking just can't keep quiet.

Red indian {Ed002's Note - I thought the fans wanted to be kept informed? Basically you cannot be satisfied.}


Agree with eds there


If it wasnt for Dave Whelan then we would know nothing, He has gave us more info about our own club than ian ayre and fsg and henry have said nothing


He does need to shut up, its his way of trying to sabotage things so he keeps roberto


Red indian your a muppet maybe you should keep quiet and not Wheelan


Red indian u are a muppet


Haha so funny. complaining that we have information. of course.


 

 

24 May 2012 16:16:59
Its so cool to have a young manager, wouldn't we look so cool with our shiny young manager!

Look at us, we are so progressive, we have a young manager that uses tactics that have been used in football for decades, only our guy is young, so the tactics are somehow now better than ever before. Those old managers never used tactics as well as this!

He innovates too, old fuddy duddy managers never innvoate they suddenly stop doing so when they hit 45.

Whats that?, Experience I hear you say, pah!, who needs it, young managers don't, why should they, experience, well, its just another word for saying passed your sell by date.

A young manager understands players, the old dinosaurs don't care about their players. Young managers never fail, they are motivators, old managers don't even talk to their players.

We will be guaranteed to succeed now, when we have our shiny young manger looking so cool on the sideline in his Versace or Armani suits, It will be a such hoot trying to second guess which he will wear at any give game.

Every team should have a young manager in charge, then every team would be winning, wouldn't they? That would be so cool, so modern, so progressive, everyone winning, now that's the way forward!

Dys


Very Droool, but too near the bone for comfort.

SAF has proved there's no substitute for experience.

I am still shocked and find it hard to believe Kenny has gone, I know I need to get over it and move on but its not easy.

ITs a pity that Great Institution that is LFC is now "Business" I hope we don't lose our soul.

The Goat of Mendes


It wont be cool when Martinez gets us relegated!

I truly hope I am wrong, but I seriously doubt the sense of this appointment.


Dys, what age was kk when he took the role-first-time round , also have a look at some of the managers in lpools history , what age was rafa , you are fearful of change , but we all know its needed...............lfc


It's about having a long term manager to take a long term view, like MU & Arsenal have done.
In ten years KD will be in a retirement home and Capello will be considered successful if he is still breathing.


Change is needed for sure, but why do people think Martinez or Rodgers are the only answers, surely progression isn't so rigid as that. Sure Martinez/Rodgers may prove good, but why rule out Benetiz or Van Gaal, would they not have at least as much chance as these less experience guys of been good too.


For me, SAF is less of a 'manager' and more of a DoF really. My perception (could well be wrong as I don't follow the Mancs very closely) is he isn't all that involved in training and the like but leaves much of that up to the coaches.

So, a better example might be that we're moving in a similar (albeit slightly different) direction with possibly a young-ish manager as the 'face' of LFC with a more experienced guy in the DoF position.

Point being I think there will be more experienced hands above the manager for higher level strategy and such as that seems to be the intent with the manager simply handling the first team, training, the press (as it relates to the first team), etc.

For the record, I also prefer the manager to be wearing a suit rather than a track suit honestly. Always thought that just looked rather unprofessional, but just my opinion.

RDL


And Martinez will managing Barnet


Very Few managers will last 10 years

FSG who know little about football are going to pick a manager that will last 10 years

Good luck with that FSG


My old lad is 85 years old still spritely and his mind is still as sharp as a razor, no retirement home for him. I doubt Kenny will end up in a retirement home either at 70 people can still be full of vigour, good diet, exercise, etc. I think you should get out more and meet the older folk, take a trip down to Man Utd and Look at SAF 70 years old and not in a retirement home, although I don't he's still the best manager in the EPL bar none.


How did all this come to simple ageism? For shame on you! Lol
Bazzaa


 

 

24 May 2012 16:26:48
On the way home ,after the Fa cup final, my wife who has no interest in football and had been shopping could see the foul mood I was in and said "Cheer up it not as if someone had died" I said "Yeah maybe that would be easier to deal with" I didn't really mean it, but somewhere a little part of me did, and that's what FSG need to understand before they appoint the new manager. Martinez may seem like a sound investment, but are we in the right place to be taking that chance, I for one have no confidence in the guy, he pulled Wigan out of the relegation zone but who put them there in the first place. We need a statement of intent, someone who say,s look we went out and got the best that money can buy and if it all go'e,s wrong well at least we know where your heart is , we're all nervous and worried and squabbling between ourselves because people outside do not realise how much this means to us.


Dav001


For gods sake grow up


If we go out and get the best money can buy we will be behind City Utd Chelsea Madrid Barca to name a few its time to take a chance nobody can say if it will pay off but we won't get anywhere trying to buy success when we don't have the most money
TSB


We can't buy success, but we can still get better than Martinez. This time next year, well just wait and see, my god, how blind have people become!


Easily pleased or been told what to do eat and wear all their live's!


 

 

24 May 2012 16:26:32
Wigan chairman Dave Whelan confirms that Roberto Martinez is in America to talk to the Liverpool owners over their vacant managers position. Speaking exclusively to BBC Sport he said: "Roberto is in Miami today and you can only assume what he's gone there for [to talk to the Liverpool owners]. I'd expect to hear back from him in the next 48 hours or so." More to follow on the website shortly


This is not looking good ! I for one will not get behind him as a manager and thats the first time in all the years i followed liverpool i can honestly say that .

greenbloodredsoul


Why. That just sounds like you want him to fail you miserable twit. It's not hard to support some some one you just don't shout abuse at them. It's not gonna be an instant success which is being made more difficult with national tournaments being played over the summer. Way I see it is the owners see us supporting his decisions and maybe they will support him as well financially. And give the owners some time they are trying to rebuild a club that was almost destroyed.
Patiance and SUPPORT is what the team need right now and not just the players.

Eric the red


You're pathetic then and clearly a plastic supporter. You don't want to support the manager without giving him a chance? Go support someone else, supporting Liverpool all that time, you should know that is not the Liverpool way


Ffs is this how low we have sunk as supporters. Anyone the club employs who we don't instantly like gets given no chance at all? How immature. Give the man a chance. If he gets us higher up the league playing decent football you'll be the first to sing his name. If he doesn't then fair enough. Pathetic.


This makes no sense whatsoever. You're getting your 'Martinez out' shirt printed before he's even finished his interview? How about you give him a chance (if he even gets the job) before you pass judgement?

Is he my first choice? No, but I have nothing against him either and at the very least he handles the media well, plays good attacking football, has a history of getting on pretty well with his owners, players, and the supporters and would appears to be likely 'backed up' by a bigger name DoF. Doesn't seem so bad to me, but only time will tell. Slagging the guy off isn't going to make his job any easier (if he even gets it).

RDL


Not a true fan then mate, we are liverpool, we support the club through thick and thin


RM could also jus t be there on holidays


For gods sake you support the club not the manager and how do you think not supporting him will help the players and club I give up.

Chris R


If he had the same record and qualities but had played for lfc would you support him?


Well your a poor excuse of a fan, this isn't football manager mind, I'm sure your upset at the fact mourinho isn't DOF with pep as manager and ronaldo messi hazard ain't joining us but you should still get behind the team. Disgrace

G BOX


What a tool. Get behind whoever comes in. That's what being a fan is about. If he was to fail it would only b because of moronic fans like urself getting on the man's back an not letting him do his job!

Wavertree red


Well greenblood you can go sing blue moon from now on then. You are a desgrace. Most true LFC fans will support the new manager. 100 per cent i know i will. Fans like you make me sick

Andy kophead.


 

 

24 May 2012 16:26:07
Alvaro Pereira
Gaston Ramirez
Nicolas Lodeiro
Edinson Cavani

The only senior players we should be targeting


No chance


And we are going to purchase them in what currency?

We have little money Cavani alone would blow the budget


 

 

24 May 2012 16:23:28
Hi Eds & Reds,

Every one seems to be jumping on the band wagon and saying Dave Whelan is right and this is on going on too long. I beg to differ, the reason Whelan has set the deadline of June 2nd is because he'll end up looking like a nugget. He basically said Martinez could take the Liverpool job if he wanted it. i am afraid Mr Whelan it does not work that way, offering you an interview for a job is not offering you the job.

In my own opinion, I fully expect a manager and director of football to be in place before the Euro's start.

I dont understand how people are so wrapped up in bookies odds. For example if put down a bet of Ronaldo and Messi to join us as player manager and player coach, id probably get 5000000/1 on it. However if another 10000 people put down the same bet, bookies would suspend betting, especially when they havent a clue who is gonna get it and they would end up loosing a fortune, they are not gonna pay out on something they cant cover.

Rebel_Red


 

 

24 May 2012 16:23:10
Seems the best source for news these days is through Dave Whelan himself. He just can't shut up about it. If I was John Henry I'd be majorly pissed off! What's he at? Trying to get a bidding war between LFC and Villa to up his price?

-Shane.


 

 

24 May 2012 16:20:12
Wigan chairman Dave Whelan tells BBC Sport that Roberto Martinez is meeting with Liverpool's owners in Miami today
From BBC Sport.

Recoill1975


 

 

24 May 2012 16:18:26
According to dave Whalen, roberto martinez is meeting the owners in Miami {Ed002's Note - Which seems very likely.}


 

 

24 May 2012 16:14:49
I really don't understand why Martinez is interesting FSG, however if he is the new manager (Coach), then i think it's going to be obvious to most people that a much more experienced mind will be given a role such as Sporting director or Director of football.

Martinez won't care, he'll just be thrilled to be at such a massive club, with much better players, than Wigan have now, and far far better than what Wigan will have by the start of next season, after the exodus is finished, Or Villa, one of his other options, have in their squad.

So if there is any shenanigans taking place (and by Zeus i bet there blooming well will be), behind the scenes such as power struggles, or manipulation. I think already it's easy to see who will be told what to do and thrown under the bus.

The man who is lucky to be in the job, and who was under qualified to start with; Mr Martinez. Which is why a more experienced man is in place to direct.

Martinez will do what he is told, just to keep his job, which will end up being a yes man/front man/ media friendly guy, which is the sole reason for FSG wanting a younger manager, who will be easier to manipulate and open to the idea of working with a more experienced and qualified manager, who will not be managing, yet working closely with.

The DOF/SD, whether Capello or Van Gaal for example, will be manipulating things from day one. They are dictators and always seek and desire power.

I think it's destined to fail. But i also think it's FSG's club now and they can pretty much do what they want, short of breaking the law. Just like Roman at Chelsea, just like the Glazers at United, just like the Sheiks at City and just like our ex-owners.

So let them try things their way (or their advisor's way), and let them try and put their touch, spin and legacy on the club.

Interdepartmental structures only work in large international businesses and governments, because they are made too at all costs.

Damien Comolli's dried up ink well.


Whats your point?

The sheik and roman have been good for their respective clubs

Chelsea were going nowhere before ambramovich and city were even worse off before the sheik.

Roman might interfere but at least he has passion for chelsea and even if he does do silly things like signing Torres and Luiz hes heart is in the right place if not his head.

Liverpool is not Henry's passion and he does not have the money to indulge his passion even if it was, with Henry liverpool is a brand Kinda like Ford Cars and his running of the club will be business like and clinical, we have seen this already with his approach towards Kenny.

Should what Henry is trying to create work this maybe a better question than will it work?

The passion surrounding the club MAY not endure in such circumstances especially as success feeds young passion in future fans.

Yours in football,

I know I'am a Muppet but happy to be one.


 

 

24 May 2012 16:14:11
Ed002, has there been an approach to rafa,if not do you think there will be? {Ed002's Note - There was a tentative approach to him, and that is what he spoke to SNTV about last week. Further than that I don't know.}


 

 

24 May 2012 16:13:23
if martinez becomes are manager and does well finishing 4/6 all you moaning about his appointment (maybe/maybe not) are you all going to say i wanted martinez as manager bla bla you are giving him stick all ready thats not supporting your team / manager liverpool need a change he is not my no1 choice but i will be right behind him basherkop


Since when has a club of this statue look forward to 5th or 6th?
With the history and the spending power ( still better than most clubs), we should be looking to win the league.anything else is a fail.
Whats the point of being in the league if you don't compete to win it?
5th or 6th is not ambitious enough and plain dam insulting.


And if he finishes 4th or 6th from bottom, are you going to be one of the moaners claiming that he should never have got the job to start with


Its called building we are not that team anymore hopefully in 2-3 time yes but now be realistic


 

 

24 May 2012 16:11:40
It seems that the media is either making up stories and does not know who is really LFC next manager?
Its like Ping-Pong match going on.
Martinez is being said is going to america to discuss with the owners.
How much truth about it.


Sky News has 24 hours to fill and the truth never got in the way of a good story


 

 

24 May 2012 16:10:29
All the best coaches in the world had to work their way to the top, Roberto Martinez is a great manager with a decade of experience, I think he deserves a chance. May not be the biggest name in football, but he plays attractive football which is always nice to see. Pep Guardiola was Barcelona's B team coach....


I have being arguing this point also! He could be with us for many years, success on the pitch is what counts, if it is to be him lets give him the opportunity! Plus he's fees will be a quarter of peps ect more money for transfers!


 

 

24 May 2012 16:09:24
Rafa Benitez had a meeting in London with representatives of FC Anzhi Makhachkala, but an agreement was not reached over the managerial position at the Russian club where Samuel Eto'o and Roberto Carlos currently play. It was, in fact, the former Barcelona striker, Eto'o who initiated contact with Benitez on the club's behalf, but FC Anzhi, still lacking in infrastructure, were unable to to satisfy the former Liverpool manager's aspirations at this time.
so would this mean once and for all that lfc have no intrest in him as manager {edds ?} {Ed002's Note - This is from last year.}


 

 

24 May 2012 16:04:50
Just read a report saying that Liverpool wasn't even going to think about AVB becoming manager to he urged them yet were going for a mid table and relegation manager? What?!


 

 

24 May 2012 16:01:19
I am sure Martinez is a very nice man and does well at small clubs. Roy did better at Fulham and WBA.
I hope he enjoys his holiday in Barbados and that he returns at the beginning of next season.


 

 

24 May 2012 16:01:08
Are we getting a marquee signing this summer?


Nope. Roberto Martinez is as good as it get's I'm afraid.


WHAT! A big tent?
Robbie


 

 

24 May 2012 15:54:56
Lower down 'Stone' answers a poster by saying 'let me guess, you are on the Benitez brigade' It is said as though anyone having THAT preference is naturally in the wrong and would not support anyone else.

I would like Rafa back BUT I will support the manager that the owners select.

Surely all this is about opinions - can't someone have a different opinion to you?

Puzzled


 

 

24 May 2012 15:53:48
"Liverpool's owners announce the appointment of Billy Hogan as chief commercial officer and a new corporate relations and communications director in former Sports Illustrated senior editor Jen Chang".

At least it's some activity!


 

 

24 May 2012 15:50:33
How on earth can a Journo Jen Chang get a position at Liverpool it seems the board is going to be replaced by american men this FSG business is starting to worry me now what do you make of the Decision to Make Billy Hogan and Jen Chang part of our club EDS? {Ed002's Note - Nothing - but I am an American.}


I know little of either man beyond what can be found on the Internet but in hogans case the owners have worked with him for a while and know what he brings to the club it's a sensible choice has a very impressive record of increasing revenues which is what we need why are people looking for negatives here?


Here's what I make of it.

They are good at there jobs and FSG thought they'd be good for Liverpool.

Please let me know what else you'd like to know.

I hope we get Martinez :)

Tristan


 

 

24 May 2012 15:47:10
After Hicks and Gillett I was very wary of Fenway, my thinking being this could be out of the frying pan into the fire and the last 10 days have merely confirmed my inital fears! At least I am old enough to remember our glory years because sadly they will be coming to an end shortly, just feel sorry for my two sons who will witness the demise of Liverpool fc! Thank you FSG for putting the final nail in the L.F.C. coffin.

Waro


I can literally not believe how close minded you are. The only way the club will not move forward is because of negative and stale fans like yourself. I think you need a hug because honestly, your glass is half full...of arsenic
NextGenRed


Good positive post - I suppose administration would have been better than FSG for people like you.

At least we still have a coffin, without FSG coming in when they did we'd be in the Championship or worse.


They saved the club you moran!


I will remember that name when Martinez gets the job and were sacking him 18months later and your on here with your glass half full of sunshine telling (so called stale fans such as myself who have been going to Anfield for 30 years and not sitting there with our replica top on watching gary neville say how far we have dropped) to get behind the next no mark we get in, were so negative boo hoo hoo! Put your money into the club before you tell me what kind of supporter I am, until then shut the h**k up!!!

Waro


 

 

24 May 2012 15:40:55
Martinez's managerial record
•Wigan: Jun 2009 - present - won 34, drawn 36, lost 57

Surely this guy can not be our next manager! KK had a better record!

mellor


In charge of liverpool, and it wasn't that much better, he manages Wigan you fool


KK's club was also worth 15 times more, and spent 100m on players, whilst Martinez's net spending over 3 years is in negative figures.


Mate he's managing a religation team how can you compare his records to top teams? Think about it If he had messi playing in Wigan he would have a better record because a lot is to do with players jeez


Kenny also spent an awful amount of money and we finished in 8th place.

Like it or not it it's Champions League and the Premiership title that matter these days.

Football is now just about money. But let FSG think of that and we can get on with supporting our club the best we know how to and that is to back them all the way.

Tristan


 

 

24 May 2012 15:45:07
I was wondering, will Roberto Martinez (if appointed) receive a performance bonus for keeping LFC out of relegation, or will that simply be included as one of his KPA's (key performance areas) in his contract.


Stupid comment.


 

 

24 May 2012 15:34:53
Hello Ed's,

What is your opinion of Andre Wisdom, and do you think he is ready for some first team Premier action next season? I know it's a managers decision, and it would be theoretical but an opinion would be great.

I only ask this, because one of the Ed's yesterday said he had been key for the England U-19's and that's really what's led me to ask my question.

We could have a very young and raw talent in our squad, who is physically strong, like Kelly is, so could advance a little sooner with the rigours of some first team footy, maybe?

Cheers all.

Ollieston.


 

 

24 May 2012 15:32:26
Senior positions starting to be filled with blokes from the US business sector “ good/bad we,ll have to wait and see?


It looks like a good structure better than many clubs around the world in my opinion and this is without us winning a big tournament like Champs league or PL so if that happens and we are already able to attract huge sponsorship deals the fee will only be bigger for champions.


I wish everyone would get off Martinez 's back. Give him a chance (if he gets it).
The 'supporters' are going to slowly wreck this football club unless they start actually supporting the new manager and team. Where is that Shankly spirit gone!
KJS


 

 

24 May 2012 15:29:04
I really don't want Martinez to Liverpool, but I really do with Dave Whelan would shut the F@@k up with his comments about the Reds and concentrate on his own club

GScoffa


Agreed but Martinez might actually work with an experienced DOF above him.


Exactly what I think.


I want martinez


 

 

24 May 2012 15:23:12
Liverpool FC today announced that Jen Chang will take up the position as the Club's Corporate Relations and Communications Director.

Liverpool FC today announced that Billy Hogan has been named Chief Commercial Officer.


...and someone hit the disagree button. Priceless!


 

 

24 May 2012 15:17:22
please Dont let Martinez be the next boss surely fsg cant give it to someone who has not won anything yet as a manager. Dont get me wrong i admire what he has done at wigan but its wigan keeping them in the league is good enough for them. Just cant see how he can get us up any higher in the league.can see us been a mid table time constantly with him in charge. Awful to judge him before Hes got the job i know, and will give him a chance if he gets it, but if it doesnt i can see them yanks out signs and black jerseys out again.


The more i think about the structure of the club the better i feel about it all. I think the americans are trying to get a better feel of the club by sending people like billy hogan who has worked with FSG for years and has track record of bringing huge revenues in. I think once we get our DOF in who can help look after player prospecting and transfers and leave a tactically astitue young manager like a martinez to build a fantastic team at liverpool. In theory it works, it is just nerve racking because it knew and different.


So MARTINEZ has not won anything. I dont seem Klopp being a very succesful Manager when Dortmund hired him. Give the guy a fair
chance. If he does not improve on our glorified 8th place, you are welcome to criticise him.


Corvin


Disagree totally think martinez is the right choice. will play a better brand of fball than kenny pass and move. and maybe we will stick the ball in the net for a change


 

 

24 May 2012 15:16:33
jen chang and billy hogan confirmed as joining the lfc board!!

beglin's brother


 

 

24 May 2012 15:16:03
I think it's between AVB, but more likely Martinez. Villa have approached Wigan for permission to talk to Martinez so forcing FSG's hand. I think this is the reason Kenny was sacked so quickly, to prevent Martinez going to Villa. I'm not happy FSG sacked Kenny, it was a clear mistake, but it's done now. I'd rather the new manager had input into DoF appointment, they have to work as a team. Maybe we don't need a DoF, maybe Borrell deserves the chance? Out of the options for manager, Martinez, and Rafa are the only ones with a track record in the premiership. Out of those 2 I'd rather have Martinez as it's a fresh start with someone who plays attacking football, gets the most out of his team and has good relations with fans, players, chairmen and the media.


 

 

24 May 2012 15:09:33
I know very few people are going to agree, but I'm excited for Martinez if he becomes our manager, all the great managers have to start someone, he can be our wenger or better! Give the man a chance!
Sir eggbut nobacon


I 100% agree with you mate.

Jack in the Box


Spot on. he s the most in demand young manager out there. get behind him fellow reds


I agree we've got to get behind him and give him a chance, if Fenway decide its him then there's nothing we can do about it and the chances of him succeeding increase if he has the fans onside. I don't care if they give the job to Ronald MacDonald as long as we have success.


I think you've been sat in the sun too long.


There was something in the air that night roberto...
Sir eggsbut


You''s above poster's wanting Martinez stating that your all excited are easily pleased! What message do'es that send out to star player's that we are interested in? Roberto who?


Roberto who? You just mentioned his sir name above you idiot. Your slating him before he's even had a chance. Sir eggbut nobacon


Yes i did Sir chicken nugget but star player's from abroad won't know much about him! And i don't want our club to take a chance on AVB Rodger's or Martinez i want a proven experienced manager like Rafael Benitez! He has more experience than all 3 put together! And I'm a idiot? you can't even spell surname! In Rafa we trust


 

 

24 May 2012 15:08:22
Confirmed:

Jen Chang will be the new Director of Communications and Corporate Relations.

Billy Hogan has been named the Chief Commercial Officer.

JCS


 

 

24 May 2012 15:08:00
questions for the Eds...

With the usual song and dance that sky sports make about any bit of new info, with the 'breaking news yellow bar' - This is the first time they have done it in this process of us finding a manager, now is that because, we genuinely haven't spoke to anyone, and Martinez is the first one we have spoken to (so theoretically expect more 'breaking news yellow bars' about managers we will be speaking to) or is that others have been spoken to and gone under radar with which Sky sports haven't got wind of, but for whatever reason the Martinez one has gotten out into the public domain..

Cheers


 

 

24 May 2012 15:07:30
Can everyone write which manager they want and add your name against it. So that when during the season we are sitting mid table out of 3 cups we can see if its the same people moaning and wanting a new manager. I'l start - Rafa ! MrT


Biesla, Laudrup or Borrell

Chris in Tamworth


Rafa - Puzzled


I will be happy with any of the following
Martinez, AVB or Rodgers.

Jack in the Box


Shankly ! MrN


Laudrup

davethebutcher


Martinez all the way.

Tristan


For me Jurgen Klopp was the manager I wanted.
But whoever we get, I will support them, as they will be part of the club I love!
K79


Rafa = In Rafa we trust!


 

 

24 May 2012 14:55:40
Martinez interview goes well Kevo


 

 

24 May 2012 14:59:58
Thinks it time Dave Whelan shut up about Liverpool and the way its run.

FowlerisGod


 

 

24 May 2012 14:59:39
LFC!.
A club in crisis, owners as tight as anything, lacking direction or a defined strategy.
God help us!.


Go support another team if you feel that way, you are not wanted here


LFC!.
Sacked manager just a week ago, spent over 100mil in signings, looking at managers, want to make right decision, starting to fill vacant boardroom posts, have patience.
Don't worry, be happy!!
SA


Get a flipping grip mate, your embarrassing yourself.

davethebutcher


 

 

24 May 2012 14:58:09
Van Gaal in talks with Lazio about the managers position


 

 

24 May 2012 14:57:38
I wonder if the management candidates had to pay for their own airfare (Boston interviews).
FSG seem dead set on saving 'every dollar'!.


 

 

24 May 2012 14:51:37
Sky sports sh*t stirring again?
they know the fans dont want Martinez, trying to get negative fans reaction to FSG to cause more trouble.
dont believe anything until you see it with your own eyes!
cobra {Ed002's Note - They are doing no more than reporting their understanding of the matter. They are not doing anything }


How can John Henry meet with Martinez in 36 hours, when his own boss Dave Whelan says he is on holiday in Barbados until Tuesday? their understanding/reporting sounds v strange


It's not even breaking news. We all knew that FSG were going to meet Martinez. We did ask Wigan for permission to do so, 7-10 days ago. Why are some people surprised?

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96


Barbados isn't that far from US bro


 

 

24 May 2012 14:50:53
old news, but he is available...

Former Hoffenheim boss Ralf Rangnick is interested in managing Liverpool, his agent has told BBC Sport.

Thoughts?!

Stichi


Hoffenwho? Atleast I've heard of Wigan and Porto! Haha

Myk


 

 

24 May 2012 14:50:44
sly sports says according to sources martinez meeting the owners in next 36 hrs..... is this breaking news just a smokescreen ...to put the press of the scent regarding other targets....

or is he our number one target for manager .....
as i sought of get the feeling he is!


beglin's brother


 

 

24 May 2012 14:47:53
Martinez off to talk to fsg and should be named as boss later this week with louis van gaal taking the sporting director role. Championship here we come! Expect a uproar from most liverpool fans!


 

 

24 May 2012 14:47:26
This isnt a roumer just my honest gut feeling...

Martinez will get the job and will struggle to keep the big names, ie Agger, Skrtel & Saurez plus attract big stars, unless we can persuad Van Gaal to take the DOF position.
I really like Martinez as a manager and I think he will do well at LFC but he isnt a name that is big in europe and we will struggle to attract the right player.
I feel that if we do get Van Gaal at DOF then we have that pull of a huge proven giant in european football and that will help.
If we just end up with martinez then I think it will mean that we will be using the kids, thats why I think he will do well because we have some great youngsters but this will take time, hence the 5 year plan thats being metioned..
Awesome site Eds
Liverbird09


Didn't saurez say how much he admired martinez recently?i stand corrected if i'm wrong. iffalfc


The players should be playing for the club. If they don't think Martinez is big enough we don't want them. Make it easier to get his own stamp on the team and bring in the youth.

Gazza


 

 

24 May 2012 14:47:00
Martinez will get the job by the looks of things and if that is the case then we should all get behind him 100% however I would off prefered rafa back if I'm honest but I would be glad if Martinez got it because let's be honest avb


Don't want Martinez Don't want AVB Don't want Rodger's! Want Rafa should never been sacked!


 

 

24 May 2012 14:46:39
My dads a well-known horse-whisperer in the north west. Yesterday he was called to a stable in cheshire to attend to a horse who was suffering a crisis of confidence. When my dad entered the stable, he noticed that it was filled with newspaper and straw. The horse then took a piece of old newspaper in its mouth and walked towards my father. When he read it, he saw it was a piece on Paul lambert beomming Liverpool's next manager. My father instantly went to Ladbrokes and put £500 on Lambert becomming the next LFC boss. Just thought I'd share it with you incase you wish to make some money down the bookies.

Big Dave.


Is this true?


Long story short, Your dad met Andy Carroll


Did someone REALLY just ask if this was true?!

Chris in Tamworth


 

 

24 May 2012 14:44:55
Kuyt back Van Gaal as next manager. I think that the best option we have as he is free at the moment and like to join us too. go for him FSG.

r-r


Yup we need somthing refreshing , van gaal will certainly have the respect of likes of SG,REINA,SUAREZ,AGGER. im not sure martinez will, will get bullied by fans n players . if we sign martinez , we have another hodgson era waiting for us.


No the best option is Benitez!


 

 

24 May 2012 14:44:48
Reports coming out of Italy that Lazio have offered Van Gaal the managerial position. He wants a mangers role preferred to the DOF role that we offered him.


 

 

24 May 2012 14:41:19
I'm no expert an I don't claim to have any inside knowledge but there seems to be only 1 runner in the race for the job Rodgers an Martinez seem to have both been approached 1 saying yes the other no for the job avb


 

 

24 May 2012 14:40:55
Ed,

There has been a lot of word about the structure that the Americans are trying toput in place.

It all comes down to footballing culture and fans in a country. In most of European countries, a manager getting 3-4 years is a very long time specially Italy, Spain, Germany, France etc.

But England is different. Managers are given time as well the choice of footballers the clubs are trying to bring in. A reason why managers see England as a wonderful place to work in.

FSG want to follow the same route which should lead us to the conclusion that they are being advised by people from the continent. Another reason why so many managers are rejecting offers of even an interview or an informal chat. Plus if you have seen the movie "MoneyBall" you will realise that they want a general manager and head coach (like Brad Pitt and Hoffman). Not an ideal scenario if you want to build something.

A human being, by nature, always wantsan excuse. By appointing two men with the accountability for a signing, FSG are only aggravating it.

I believe the choice of a player coming in should always be with the head coach (as FSG would like to call a manager). Otherwise, if the team doesnt perform whom do you sack then? The general manager or the head coach.

Hence this idea of Van Gaal plus Roberto Martinez is not a good one. Tottenham tried this with Comolli and Jol/Ramos and it didnt work.

Ideal structure should be -

1. Manager - All first team duties plus choice of players
2. DOF - All Scouting, First Team Manager and Youth Team Manager & Reserve Team Manager should be under him. And he should oversee all the contract negotiations in terms of footballing needs of the club.

Sorry for the long post.

LiverBird


So your approach worked with KK and Comolli. And the club did not make any dumb signings like Downing.


Even Fergie has signed dumb signings like Anderson, Hargreaves, Bebe,etc...

But you cant digest the fact that every manager is NOT GOD and are bound to get some signings wrong.....

Plus one season is no barometer of judging a player......

The problem with all your "nameless" and "postless" kind is that people like have no conviction in what you say.......Why not sign ur post else??

LiverBird


 

 

24 May 2012 14:38:00
Hey eds just a few questions. What is Whelan of wigan's problem with Liverpool everytime I check espn he is degrading Liverpool is he just scared of losing his manager? Other question. I read that Van Gaal has told the club he wants to be manager have you heard anything on that and is it a possibility?

Thanks Seano


He is a bitter manc, who failed to buy salford.

Jatt YNWA


When whelan was being interviewed on sly sports news he only had good and nice things to say about liverpool. so i would say if its written it probably has the journalist's opinion of what whelan was saying and not what whelan actually said.


 

 

24 May 2012 14:37:41
on sky sports now roberto martinez to meet the liverpool owners in the next 36 hours i think he would be a good manager with the right d o f behind him an i have also heard a rumour that if he gets the job he wants paco who left liverpool when rafa was there to be his right hand man what do you think edds


 

 

24 May 2012 14:36:32
Question Eds:

Are FSG doing things with 'Baseball' pace? Is that why things are taking so long? Surely they know the transfer window opens next month and once Euros start player values rocket up!! {Ed002's Note - It opens in July and it is only a week since the vacancy appeared.}


 

 

24 May 2012 14:36:12
if anybody supports whelan over our own fsg (who saved us, if you remember, gave us the manager we wanted and gave him a huge transfer kitty he blew on, well, downing!) than this person can go and support wigan imo.
i know everyone is traumatized from g&h, but get a grip.
leni


 

 

24 May 2012 14:35:24
'And the winner of the LFC Management lottery is'!.
Robero Martinez.
Congratulations to FSG and LFC, we now have a 'relegation' specialist to lead our team.
Fantastic!, what wonderful and truly astounding ambition by FSG, the club are in wonderful and caring/penny pinching hands!.
Cheap and nasty solutions for a club with a wonderful history.
All bow down and worship at the altar of the 'mighty dollar'.


Get a grip of yourself. What a drama queen it's 'fans' like you that could bring the club to its knees with your spiteful attitude and your demands to run the club that you don't own.
If it is Martinez it at least shows FSG the owners want a footballing manager that will play good football and be dignified and professional with the media.
Personally I would support anyone at the helm of LFC and Martinez I think will do well for us.
A little question for all. If we are to close the gap with the top 4 and title winners is I not a good idea to do things a little differently? If we don't we can only maintain the gap!
We can look at bigger name managers the maybe avaliable but they have been fired and for a reason. Martinez is still adored at his club and that is because he is doing. A great job, I would prefer Borrell but I do not believe a big name manager is the correct way for us to go
TSB


Are you drunk or what? GREAT JOB? wtf great job martinez is doing? saving wigan from the great drop? from the managerial point of view in last 2 n half years , HAVE WIGAN IMPROVED?

see a manager with positive football n all is all ok but, what work has martinez done to be worthy of a club who wants to be champion, n not just stay in top league like wigan ? he is the same manager who gets them in relegation battle ,

THE BIGGER POINT IS , WHY HIM?

martinez ,
1.has not won any competition,
2. no experience of europe
3. haven't been at a big club,
4. haven't handled the pressure ,like our fans n expectations
5. haven't managed a star dressing room, like SG,SUAREZ,REINA,AGGER ..N all their egos
6.in transfer market, a guy like martinez wont ever go big(not costly) will be mediocre , for eg. look at what kenny did of with 100miln, yup it was due to his old thinking,n English nature that made him go for carrol, hendo, downing etc..when team like atletico madrid bought falcao(spell?) ,adra turan.etc.

why him when we can have better options? why play this lottery?

same things were said abt hodgson, was the manager of the year the year before we signed him but ..what happen? forget abt the improvement, the BIGGEST DIFFERENCE was with the mentality, when loosing to everton so badly hodgson said, THIS WAS TEAMS BEST PERFORMANCE, he praised the draws we had against bottom teams , coz thets what they likes of martinez , hodgson do at wigan or WBA, why you want this again? why risk? just coz martinez plays good football? the odds are against him to succeed, we dont run a club for a wanna be good manager to TRY HIS LUCK HERE? like ok lets see if i can do it may be

mayurr


Agree with you mayur, though the original poster ,the way he has expressed his feelings is rude or say bad but , has a point, martinez is a wrong man


 

 

24 May 2012 14:35:09
According to the Moose, Liverpool will hold talks with Van Gaal in the next 24 hours. We all know that the moose is ITK so watch this space, you heard it here first.

LFC MOLE


Yep, there you go, your heard it first, straight out of the bull's aspe


 

 

24 May 2012 14:34:03
Hi Eds
Why don't FSG appoint Martinez with Van Gaul as SD and get it over with. All this speculation is driving fans mad.
Rafa would've been a good choice (fans are too fickle and forget the glory and strenght), he is in a different calibre to the rest of the lightweights that fans HOPE will not wither away under the pressure of being Livepool manager...God help us if we get it wrong 'cause it would take another 20 years to catch up....


You mean you want the owners to rush into appointing a new manager so that we dont have to wait a week or two longer instead of getting the right man after some time?

you want a quick appointment? i wanna remember you of roy hodgson for england. wba gave the permission to speak, 3 hours later all was done. would you like it that way?

the fans are driving theirselves mad.


Oh god, themselves not theirselves.


 

 

24 May 2012 14:33:41
Good to see Kenny hasnt been out of work for too long, He's currently working with the rest of the world squad for soccer aid this weekend, Robbie Williams just posted a photo on Twitter of Kenny with Will Ferrell laughing and joking around


 

 

24 May 2012 14:33:36
Really don't want to read anything into this but I am just wondering why Klopp gas gone from 33/1 yesterday to 10/1 today...

Cheers

Phil


Money being wagered on him!


 

 

24 May 2012 14:25:30
Roberto Martinez to meet with John Henry in the next 36 hours expect a decision soon after that.

Jordan


 

 

24 May 2012 14:24:12
If martinez becomes lfc manager were finished. None of top players will want to stay. It would be a very bad decision on lfc behalf.


Let me guess, you're on-board the Benitez brigade?

You, like me, and every other Liverpool fan, wanted King Kenny in after Roy Hodgson was sacked. It hasn't worked out. So, why don't you just admit you were wrong, hold your hands up and let FSG get on with it. If things don't work out again, then you have a right to call for their head.

But not now. Show your support, because after all, you are a SUPPORTER aren't you?

Stone YNWA.


Dont think you can know what the top players will do, just maybe they will get behind the man , who could turn out to be a great coach/manager , besides have we got a lot of top players anyway...............lfc


Actually I read some quotes from Suarez rating Martinez's tactics, I can't find them at this moment but will post them if I do...let's try to give the guy a chance, who ever he may turn out to be!

Lfcmatt


Well if they (players) want to go I say good riddance and people should get behind Martinez,if picked I'm behind him as I give players/managers time,IMO it's a radical choice if picked by FSG and the fans wanted KK and it didn't work so it's worth a shot for me cheers Pk


Dont think he would be involve in transfers


I totally agree.
Maybe we will be able to attract the best players from the championship!.
Let's be honest, which 'high profile' player would want to play for a club, with a 'relegation specialist' as manager.
Dark days upon us!.


So will begin the 'Exodus' as I mentioned.


Depends i think on who the new dof will be


This is stupid, even after hodgson saga, guys r saying that martinez will turn out to be good manager ? coz how wonderfully n tactically he manages so save wigans drop? bull s**t

nothing against the man , but why him? rafa is waiting,van gaal is available,

why buy a lottery n hope we will win, when u can invest it in better prospects?

its been 3 years, hodgson , kenny , n now martinez, the stupidity is we sign managers like this n hope to crack the toughest league in the world lol?(kenny was away from managerial post for more than a decade, hi signings ,big-small front two, all english approach was all that old style which did us).
after rafa's exit , evrything with our club has been mediocre, manager,signings,football, signing martinez is just gonna continue this vicious cycle.

when will we go big? or at least clever?


Stone YNWA I did'nt want Kenny back! And Rafa has won a lot more than Martinez! Some fan's just highlight Rafa's bad game's and don't remember the good game's! He had us in the CL 5 time's outta 6 proven experienced manager! Who's done an awful lot for this club! In Rafa we trust


 

 

24 may 2012 14:21:12
liverpool rock, everton suck.


Liverpool Wine, Everton Vinegar,
Liverpool Gold, Everton Rust,
Liverpool Treasure, Everton Trash
Liverpool Fish and Chips
Everton mushy peas
Liverpool 8th Everton 7th :-(
oh sh*t, another poem fuc*ed


 

 

24 May 2012 14:20:54
Apparently Dave Whelan is planning to set a deadline over Liverpool's approach for Roberto Martinez. Even he thinks the process if being drawn out far too long. Hopefully he will make it sooner rather than later.


He's given martinez till 2nd of june to decide , then the next breaking news is martinez to be in talks with the owners in 36 hours


Hes dead right to this is turning into a farce.he will need to get someone in quick if martinez does become our new manager


Who says the process is too long......we are appointing a manager to take us forward for the next 5 years, who is more than likely going to have to work with a Director of Football.

Please, we are appointing a manager not a cleaner.

GGK


There is no "farce". But remember Whelan needs time to find a manager if Martinez leaves.


 

 

24 May 2012 14:20:25
fsg are proper nugget's - appoint someone quick and let everyone know about it you helmets


Joey is that you??


 

 

24 May 2012 14:20:16
Ed002 I'm working in Chelsea at the moment and just seen Alex McLeish on my lunch break he must be the new Chelsea manager!?

Square tomato {Ed002's Note - It was obvious the news would get out eventually.}


Ahh ok thought as much!

Square tomato


 

 

24 May 2012 14:20:04
Currently on Sky Sports yellow banner!
Sky Sports Sources : Breaking News - Martinez to meet Liverpool owners in next 36 hours.

Carb


 

 

24 May 2012 14:18:47
Giving our new manager will be a head coach rather than a manager surely Rafa is our man! Even the anti-rafas have to admit he is very good tactically and if the DOF is sorting out transfers why not?


He has one way of playing and that is counter attack , thats his tactics all over , do you remember when we needed the win gainst birmingham i think and he took off torres and put on a defender , we were losing and stevie g scratched his head , yes i remember his great tactics


Because he will want total control of everything, which he won't get because he will be working beneath a director of football. He is the exact opposite of what we are looking for.

davethebutcher


So FSG are looking for a "yes man" Dave?


 

 

24 May 2012 14:17:44
FSG have contacted Rafa to be the new manager with no sporting director. I for one pray they give it to him


^ Hope so! In Rafa we trust!


 

 

24 may 2012 14:16:48
breaking news - big big news coming out saying sam alladyce will be our new manager. i really hope this is true.

heard he wants to bring in ronaldinho, falcao and kevin nolan. what a guy!!!!!!!!!!!!


 

 

24 May 2012 14:13:19
get used to martinez lads
red rrab


 

 

24 May 2012 14:10:26
Martinez to meet owners in the next day !


 

 

24 May 2012 14:09:55
roberto martinez is going to be manager end of
5 gold stars


Yip, it certainly will be 'the end of'!.


 

 

24 May 2012 14:03:23
Can everyone with there sources please tell me what time AVB is being appointed tomorrow please? Don't want to miss it! Cheers lads

G BOX


 

 

24 May 2012 14:02:12
Rafa is the only one of the candidates that can get us into the top four. Why can't people see this? Its obvious.

Do the right thing fsg!

Gazman


Just like 18 months ago you thought King Kenny was the man to lead us back to the glory days?

Stone YNWA.


Were did we finish in his last season , he is a dictator and if he was at man city he would be saying he has not had enough money


 

 

24 May 2012 13:54:40
Why is everyone demanding a new manager now and calling FSG to get out... I for one would be worried if they just rushed into hiring anybody, they are clearly taking it very seriously and having a good think about it, we need to give them a break they spent a lot of money for players, I know a lot of it came from sales but they put it back into the club... At the end of the day they need us to be successful for them to be successful, you may not like the names being thrown up at the moment but let's see who gets the job and how we perform before slating the people that saved us from going bust.

G BOX


 

 

24 May 2012 13:54:00
hi there eds, sorry if i have missed u already answerin this, have we actually interviewed anyone for the managers job yet?? thanks {Ed002's Note - We have no additional information on the managerial vacancy that has been said.}


 

 

24 May 2012 13:53:35
This is going to be a very important time for our club, from what ive seen so far i am quite worried that we are once again heading in the wrong direction.

I have no doubt that the decisions being made are intended to be the best way forward, However..

Out of all the Managers named for "interviews" that have not already said no, there are too many average choices.

One of the main problems we had with Dalglish was his strange lineups, Eg playing Hendo out of position, benching maxi and Carrol and refusing to play youngsters (Sterling and Shelvy). Was this not a similar reason AVB was critisized so much by Chelsea.

How is appointing this man going to help us? Because he is younger? Because he had a good run with Porto?

People calling for Benitez are obviously blinded by their love for past glories as he was sacked for a reason (the reason being he was not taking us in the right direction).

Martinez and Capello are the only 2 i would have even considered in the first place as viable replacements and im not totaly convinced by either of them.

Begs the question really, do we have any other choice or are we settling for whatever we can?

On the squad side of business:

I think we should depart with Kuyt, Adam, Doni, Fabio, Glohnson and loan Spearing out.

Bring Aquaman, Cole, Maxi and Sterling into the First team and put whatever money we can towards a decent forward and Right back! No need for another overhaul, the players just need time to learn from eachothers styles of play.


Sometimes the worst things in the world, start out with the 'best intentions'!.


People calling for Rafa back are obviously blinded for the love of the man? What! how many of our previous manager's won the European cup? the man is a legend on the Kop! Abnd with the right backing would take us back to our glory day's! In Rafa we trust


 

 

24 May 2012 13:53:22
Dave Whelan has issued an ultimatum to Martinez.
Stating he will give him one week from next tuesday when he returns from holiday to make up his mind whether he is staying or leaving Wigan.
So he's not in Boston for an interview then? He's on holiday in Barbados till next Tuesday.
kidmillions


 

 

24 May 2012 13:52:22
Breaking News!: Ole Gunnar Solskjaer is the favourite to land the managers Job. He is currently in a meeting discussing terms with the club after turning down the Villa Job. The club swooped for the player as soon as they understood he would be willing to move to UK as they see his attacking style a step forward.


Sounds better than Mark Huges, Steve Bruce, Roy (hacker) Kean, or not?


 

 

24 May 2012 13:51:29
if you were a betting man, would you be putting all your life savings on martinez becoming manager? because i would, and Id probably put a months wages on louis van gaal coming in as dof. that questions goes to you eds2. theres is also rumours fabio has gone, im glad if its true, we need to get some of the older players off the wage budget, to free tha money up for the new players we will be lookin to sign this summer. most of the players our fans want will demand big wages, an we only got so much babY! £££ ;)


 

 

24 May 2012 13:42:02
This morning Ian Abraham said that our main target is still Klopp and that FSG are not giving up on him.
Supposedly FSG are on their way to England today or tomorrow to try and get a deal done.
I believe Martinez will be our backup if Klopp falls through.


Ian Abraham? The bloke gets his information out of the red tops and off twitter. He has no sources, he's a bit like Daniel Halwell in that respect!

Chris in Tamworth


 

 

24 May 2012 13:39:19
Breaking News!: Ole Gunnar Solskjaer is the favourite to land the managers Job. He is currently in a meeting discussing terms with the club after turning down the Villa Job. The club swooped for the player as soon as they understood he would be willing to move to UK as they see his attacking style a step forward.


Get Real. We would never have spam at our club.

Zebidee


Haha no


Really? Even though he said that he didn't want to uproot his family? Hmmmm nice try


 

 

24 May 2012 13:38:29
RB,CB - Van Der Wiel - 10m
RW,LW - Elia - 9m
LB,RB - Chivu - Free agent
AM,LW,RW - Lodeiro - Free agent
CF,ST - Falcao - 35m
= 54m

or

RB,CB - Van Der Wiel - 10m
RW,LW - Elia - 9m
LB,RB - Chivu - Free agent
LW,RW - Muniain - 25m
ST,FWD - De Jong - 16m
= 60m


 

 

24 May 2012 13:37:11
Hi Eds it appears with no approach to Benitez, Capello, AVB and Gurdiolla on sebatical, apart from Martinez who else can be a target? Do you think FSG may surprise us all and pull a rabbit out the hat?


Are you trying to say that a rabbit will do a better jod


 

 

24 May 2012 13:34:09
Maxi lopez anyone. Just saying like he could be good cover and at 8 not a bad punt


 

 

24 May 2012 13:33:00
eds, macca, not a rumour but wanted a general opinion of fans on the new reds home shirt, also do you have any idea when the away shirt will be released and if we will be having a third shirt also?


Absolutely love it and also really upset by the group that have complained about the change of location for the charity logo. Its symptamatic of this club that the fans think the management need to consult every fan on every change of strategy. Same with the SOS letter and Rafa back website.

FatJanMolby


I like it.

Drigan


 

 

24 May 2012 13:28:19
I know Dave Whelan is only looking after his own interests but what the hell does he know what is going in the minds of FSG and behind closed doors of our great club!!

It makes me want to take Martinez now just to stick one up him (DW).

Mark JFT96


Its a known fact, that in the 'world/community of football' when you're in on the inside, you are privvy to all kinds of information, that us mere mortals arent..


 

 

24 May 2012 13:22:14
Macca,

Any update on manager & DOF situation.?

Chaki


The update is we need one of each.


 

 

24 May 2012 13:21:11
Watch rafas lucre pool on Lfc tv now. No way boring

Gazman


 

 

24 May 2012 13:13:30
sorry to cut and paste guys, but this an article from ESPN quoting, Dave Whelan (i like this guy I have to say..) but as we can see, he has a few opinions on Liverpool, which to me are honest and with no agenda to them, very interesting...

"My information is that the new Liverpool manager will not be given full responsibility of the football department.

"There will be somebody else signing players, and they might not necessarily be the choice of the manager.

"My advice to Roberto is to think very carefully about this, but Liverpool are a big club and I hope that they remain one of the big clubs.

"But I have to say from what I am hearing the new Liverpool set up on the football side goes well beyond the norm even with a director of football."

Whelan also criticised the Liverpool process of seeking a 'beauty parade' of six managers to head to Boston for interviews with owners Fenway Sports Group, and insisted reports that Martinez is going to America this week are wide of the mark.

Whelan told ESPN: "My understanding is that Liverpool are seeking a final shortlist of six managers whom the owners would like to interview.

"I am amazed that they think they can do that, it sounds very much an American way of dealing with these issues in sport, but I would wonder how those six managers might feel.

"I spoke with mine only yesterday and he is on a week's holiday in my home in Barbados. The weather is wonderful. Nothing will happen until he returns, which won't be until next Tuesday, so reports that he is flying off to Boston today to have talks are not right.

"In fact, he was relaxing on a sun lounger the last time I spoke to him yesterday, he had a mentally exhausting season and he needs the rest.

"He has not said anything to me yet about what he plans to do, but I have told him what I think about it, of course I have. I have told him it doesn't feel right what is happening at Liverpool, but its for him to make his own mind up."


I wonder why david whelan suddenly gets quoted like a football cassandra. he seems to be dooming liverpool constantly, and moaning about their handeling things, but i'd like to ask him what makes him think he knows better than the owners and/ or their advisers. he's not from united, barca or arsenal, he's WIGANs chairman (from midtable to relegation battle anyone?!).
i'm tired of whelan's foul-mouthing. he can keep martinez and they both can get happily ever after in my opinion.
berlinred


Even if martinez is not our manager next year [ i hope van gaal gets it ] . martinez will not be wigans boss next year as dave the big mouth whelan leaks more than an old ladys private parts , martinez will know that he has been stabbed in the back by the mouth who claims to be his friend


Whelan, is a man of football, who has seen it all on almost every level, bringing a team from the old 3rd division (promising to bring them to the Premier league) and he did just that..Im not saying Whelan is god, I think he is just honest, and defo deserves some respect for his standing in the UK game at least...


The trouble with DW is he talks too much; he likes the sound of his own voice. He tells the media what they want to hear.

He is a nice guy but as i said yesterday he doesn't half talk some rubbish.

GGK


Whelan talking straight there. Telling FSG & Martinez that he's not going to be messed around by either.


Whelan has every right to talk. He is simply fighting his corner. He is on the verge of losing a manager - one that will be hard to replace.


 

 

24 May 2012 13:09:14
Hi edds great site and plz keep up the good work.

Well eds all I wanted 2 know is that did we cool interest in AVB? news edds

wHATS uR tHOUGHTS? {Ed002's Note - Please read the posts.}


 

 

24 May 2012 12:54:08
question for ED002, you have your ear to the ground, with regards to AVB, whats your understanding of the latest twist, that he isn't now in the running? I personally would love to see him at Liverpool

Cheers {Ed002's Note - As of last Friday there had been no approach but one was expected. It may well be that a tentative approach was subsequently made and then not progressed. In the big scheme of things I think you will be thankful that he has not been appointed.}


Interesting response Ed002, what makes you say that? Out of all those that have been linked, I dont see any that I would take over him, apart from Klopp (but he is out) Laudrup (who knows) of all the others, AVB for me... {Ed002's Note - AVB needs more experience than he has right now to take on a club og Liverpool's stature and be successful.}


AVB would maybe just use us as a stepping stone if he were to be successful with us? That's my feeling about the man.
kidmillions


Cheers as always ED002, you're a star, makes sense I suppose, just ashame really, as I would still take him over Rodgers or Martinez


 

 

24 May 2012 12:52:45
does anyone know when the away kit and/or possible third kit will be revealed? I've heard the third kit is purple?

cheers


Im not sure if they are official, but there is a picture of all 3 on the 'Liverpool Sightings' page.
Home - Red
Away - Black
3rd - Purple and White
but as said, not sure if official.

Carb


 

 

24 May 2012 12:48:57
People, those who say AVB is not good enough, does not have enough experience at CL level etc are the same people who are calling fro Brendan Rodgers and Martinez, who in return have only has a number of years managing at the top level and have NEVER won anything.

Please note that the players that AVB brought in for chelski only started playing 3/4 through the season - players need time to bed in. Effectively Mata has been one of the buys of the season. The reason he's got bad press is because he tried to break the mould of the 'ol Chelski faithful' in not playing terry, lampard, mikel - those who slow the game down. He also brought in Cahill who has been superb. And he also won the treble in his first season with Porto.

He's young, has a clear vision of the way he want to go forward. He's the only man out of the list that would be fit to manage any top club. BR, Maretinez, Lambert, Capello, Benitez? get a grip people.


Champions League experience doesnt really matter here seems as we wont be in it for a few seasons


 

 

24 May 2012 12:48:26
People need to understand that if you get a big name DoF you don't need a big name manager. They are basically just the first team coach.

As the Ed's have said in the past Fergie and wenger are basically just DoF's as they do the hiring and firing but hardly any coaching. It works in Europe and is the only way to get consistency into a system right through the club.

Gazza


True, Great point but big names left are getting fewer and fewer


 

 

24 May 2012 12:46:04
I really dont understand why we are after Martinez and Rodgers, their two relegation candidate team managers who have never competed at the top or worked with any big players in their lives as managers. Martinez lost 8 games in a row and we still feel he is going to bring sucess, seriously? Rodgers is similar to Hodgson, pushed a small team to achieve unrealistic targets (final of europa and mid table after being classed as relegation candidate), however this doesn't mean they can suddenly jump to a team aspiring for the top and do an amazing job bringing in good players from around europe. AVB has won the titles in portugal, Van gaal has won german titles and reached champions league final etc etc. managers that have won titles in the highest teer league in their country, know what players are needed to win things, Rodgers and martinez will be looking to bring in either players from their old club (not good enough) or players they were targeting at their old club/who would be realistic for their old club (not good enough again). So people we need to aim higher, their a good european managers out their who are willing to join us, lets move for them and use the poorer managers as a back up, not prioritise them.

RDR


Cos FSG aint got no money so no top manager is gonna destroy his reputation by joining a sinking ship.

YONKS OUT!


Rodgers relegation candidate? Swansea finished 5 points behind us, drew 0-0 with us at anfield and beat us in their own stadium, Martinez beat us with wigan aswell


Sorry, but both Swansea and Wigan played better football than we did.

We spent about 100 million more than them and finished with a few points more.


Its not a big achievement beating us at the moment though!


 

 

24 May 2012 12:37:00
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/raphael_honigstein/04/14/vangaal.bayern/index.html

Oh no not another kenny!

Cp


Great read


 

 

24 May 2012 12:34:48
out of all the managers name linked i would plump for f Rijkaard, youngish experienced done it at the top level .
it most likely will not happen just a lfc luvvin fan speaking from his heart ... thanx mal


 

 

24 May 2012 12:34:34
How about LVG as manager and Laudrup as Director


Or Laudrup as manager and LVG as DOF.
I find it much better.

Cheerio


 

 

24 May 2012 12:33:34
One of our biggest downfalls has been the inability to find a proper replacement for Alonso. I expect the trend of poor performances to continue IF Lucas gets injured again.

Lucas was a 'Boo Boy' - Admittedly I boo'ed him too. I never thought, like many others, that I would miss him. I'll give him credit for coming to the party and improving drastically.

Once Lucas went out injured, I knew our season would turn. It was evident again, that the Holding Midfielder position was seriously lacking and Gerrard was falling back to cover. It obviously means that Gerrard plays less of an attacking role and we are also reliant on Charlie Adam (Who I DO NOT rate) to play a pivotal role.

I actually think we need someone to play alongside Lucas or to back him up. We had Mascherano and Alonso - Now we have Spearing and Adam - Hardly suitable replacements in my personal opinion.

If Liverpool want to compete, we NEED a seasoned Holding Midfielder and a winger PLUS a Marquee Striker. I think the Fans have been VERY patient in waiting for this GREAT team to show the rest of England what we are all about.

Nate


The funny thing is people actually compared Adam to Alonso in ability !


Need to lay off Charlie Adam. He had a good start to the season playing alongside Lucas and dropped when Lucas was injured because he was asked to do a job that he wasn't used to, Got to remeber that Alonso had Mascherano behind him during the season when he was brilliant. Took the defensive pressure off him and allowed him to express himself. Just like Lucas and Adam. They have potential to be a brilliant midfield partnership.

Gazza


Adam is rubbish dont even compare him to lucas they are not the same type of player andy.


But wasn't Lucas rubbish not that long ago as well


Adams is a good player in my opinion.

We need the right players around him to get the best out of him....I dont think he was helped enough by Downing and there were many a times when he put in a crucial tackle to halt the proceddings....

My question to you would be...When was the last time Downing tackled anyone?.....Not that he does much though.......

But Adams has improved.......No doubts about that....He is a much better player than he was when he had arrived....The only complain would be his dead ball skills havent come across well.....especially corners and free kicks.....

LiverBird


 

 

24 May 2012 12:19:30
I have 2 good sources (players, not gerrard and carra btw) they have no idea at all who is coming in. Sorry.
It's all speculation right now, suppose it's the best way.

Also I have a source high up in the club that is helping deal with the stadium issues, namely how many bums on seats and how many corporate boxes we can fill. nothing new on that front either.
The owners are desperate to redevelop anfield and are trying to overcome all the problems with it, but a new stadium is not being ruled out at all. But it's very much second choice. But I have been told a brand new stadium will have a few thousand extra seats. Only a few thousand more mind.
My sources guess and it's only a guess, is that anfield or the new stadium will be 60-65k seats.
He personally feels we could fit up to 75k in a new build an has said as much to henry and co but feels they want the stadium to be future proof incase attendances drop due to belts tightening and more people watching online and on tv.
I think I mentioned this last time I spoke to him but ticket prices will go up and down depending on where you are sat in the stadium. I expect the average price will end up being more than it is currently. But that's just my opinion.

Sorry I know it's hardly groundbreaking news but info is at a premium these days. and admittedly my sources are not as good as maccas etc
Stadium source is as good as it gets tho apart from John Henry.

MIKEY


 

 

24 May 2012 12:19:05
I can understand that appointing the next manager is a big decision and shouldn't be rushed, but if we don't appoint someone soon then we are going to miss out on buying the top players as they will already be sold.

Although saying that, if we appoint Martinez or Rodgers we will miss out on the top players as they wont be able to attract the class we need.


 

 

24 May 2012 12:15:06
Based on Rick Parry's comments, these are the 2 front runners. If they are not available is a different thing.
1. Jurgen Klopp (won league 2ce)
2. Frank De Boer (won league 2ce)

Both are young, hungry and play possesion football

The poor man's version of these guys is Swansea Brendan Rodgers (qualified Swansea for Premiership)

Martinez to me is a shadow

Wales


What happens if klopp or de boer eat and are not hungary will they not get the job


MartĂ­nez built the team Rodgers used for promotion. I'd tend to rate MartĂ­nez higher then Rodgers but still a big risk

PDUK


You forgot Rupert De Boer
kidmillions


If that is the case, and I believe that it is, then Martinez as D.O.F. and ROdgers as coach/manager
Robbie


 

 

24 May 2012 12:17:30
Just a THANK YOU to the Editors of this Forum. Takes a lot of time and effort to maintain and review on a daily basis.

I don't have any rumors, however; I appreciate being able to come on here and read some of the comments. It's my first stop every morning and afternoon... sometimes my last before I go to bed.

Thanks GENTS - Keep up the great work!

Nate


 

 

24 May 2012 12:13:16
To all those people calling out for change for changes sake and praising the virtues of youth and new methods, remember great new managers do not just fall from trees and new methods are not just the bastion of young managers.

Remember all those next up and coming managers, Burley, Coyle, Holloway, even McLeish, etc. All were hailed and all then failed to show they are ready. I don't care if Martinez, Rodgers, Lambert will one day become great managers, the fact is that in the here and now they are just like all those others.....potentially very good, but have proven how good that is!

And before you say anything about Shankly, that was a different era, more time was given to managers and competition wasn't as intense or as professional. Now success is demanded instantly. To Manage a big club, first you have prove you can challenge with a smaller club and budget, at least AVB has managed that. None of these young pretenders have came anywhere near challenging for anything yet. I'm not talking about winning the league here, but I am saying the these guys need to be able to build teams that the big boys take seriously.

Appointing any of these guys above the likes of Van Gaal or Benetiz (guys with proven experience and proven success) means FSG are either penny pinching or they are been badly advised (dye in the wool Arsenal man David Dein advising Liverpool?...... mmmmmm, what next Fergie picking our first team!). Let Martinez and Rodgers develop into proven challengers before we risk our clubs future on them.



Syd


Good post Syd. Agree 100% with what you said.


So the same old Managers on the merry -go-round and no else can get on. Rubbish!
We need to be forward thinking and give a bright young Manager a chance.
Lots of clubs around Europe give young Managers a chance and then we clamour after them when their successful and everybody else wants them.
(see Sammi Hyypia) Now that's the sort of forward thinking I'm on about.
Sammi could fail but he could also be the most desired/wanted Manager in Europe in a few years time?
If it's Martinez or whatever young Manager? Give him a chance.
kidmillions


Valencia took a chance on Benitez?
Can't you see that?
Porto took a chance on AVB?
Can't you see that?
I could go on and on!
Somewhere along the line chances have to be taken?
kidmillions


As you say Sami could be a roaring success, but you acknowledge he is just as likely to fail, same is true for Martinez, Liverpool at this time in their history can't afford that gamble. More than anything right now a proven track record ticks all the boxes for the club, and of course by all means bring in a young guy to work as understudy. Because if you wrong and Martinez fails, our precious club will staring straight down the barrel or relegation.

Syd


KD had a proven track record. How did that work out?

Yes - a Martinez or Rodgers could fail. They could also be the next Klopp or Mourinho. Both Dortmund and Porto took a chance. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

The quickest way for us to be a "former big club" is to keep playing it safe, and recycling the retirees who won something years ago.

The world moves on.


Syd:We obviously want the same thing success for LFC. Even Pep Guardiola for example is not guaranteed to succeed at LFC. that's more the gist of my point.
kidmillions


With all due respect to Valencia and Porto they are a step down on the ladder to Liverpool. That is why they gave Rafa and AVB their chances. They were then at a level where the clubs could realistically sign them up.

We are different we have Rafa, Van Gaal and Capello all interested, can you not see the benefits of getting one of these guys over the relative inexperience that Martinez or Rodgers have. It would be fair enough if we didn't have any options, but we do, so why would anyone want to take a high risk gamble with our future.

Syd


Valencia took a chance on Benitez?
Can't you see that?
Porto took a chance on AVB?
Can't you see that?
I could go on and on!
Somewhere along the line chances have to be taken?
kidmillions

We took a chance on Roy Hodgson.
Can't you see that?!
In my opinion we can't afford to take a chance at the moment. Another rubbish season means Suarez will definitely leave and we won't be able to attract anyone and Spearing will probably become captain!

redkenyan


The world moves on, but only if something better comes along to improve it. And for the life of me, I cannot see how you can maintain that Martinez will offer a guarantee of success beyond what Rafa, Capello or Van Gaal can.

Syd


Tel ye what kidmillions why not give you the job seeing as your so clued up! Take a chance? We have been at a crossroads as a club for the last few years now which makes the next appointment critical in were we go in the future, one more wrong turn and we will be well and truely finished as a top team fighting for titles, thus becoming a bigger version of everton, villa etc! So no FSG shouldn't take a bit of a punt on an inexperienced manager because when they fail your left with the players they sign and the many millions it costs to sack them and there coaching staff, have you not learned anything about modern day football?

Waro


Success!! That's one thing we agree on kidmillions. I guess we will just have agree to disagree on how it should be achieved. I hope which ever path FSG chose to follow that success will follow, even if it is gamble in my eyes, or outdated in yours.

Cheers,
Syd


Waro I am not saying in any way I'm clued up? It's just my opinion that the next Great Manager could be a hidden gem right under our noses? There are no guarantees whatever we do. But I know
We've played it safe for nearly 20 yrs.
Perhaps we should have taken a chance and got Capello 20 yrs ago?
kidmillions


"I cannot see how you can maintain that Martinez will offer a guarantee of success" . . .

No-one can "guarantee success". Not Capello. Not Rafa. (How did these two work out in their last jobs, by the way?) Not Martinez. Not Rodgers. That is the point.

Any choice is a risk. No way around it. No siree.


 

 

24 May 2012 12:12:57
I strongly believe the worst thing for a football club is having a DOF. The manager should be in charge of everything and have an understudy, likes of Sammy Lee or Steve Clark, or Carra to work with the quad. The DOF policy is divide and rule politics by the club owners and is no good what so ever for the football club. The players need to have one strong reference point. Or am I wrong?


Sammy lee whf . your having a laugh


 

 

24 May 2012 11:35:13
since van gaal wants the manager role would txiki be a good candidate for dof? both have really strong barca ties and a wealth of experience. eds do you know if there is still interest in txiki?


 

 

24 May 2012 12:05:41
so the same day Andre Villas Boas is suposedly seen in liverpool, the newspaper decide he isnt in the running.

i still want him. wanted him before his stint at chelsea. and i think he would do one hellluva job now.

i would still prefer txiki to van gaal but i assume they already have who they are choosing as DoF as of now and are going to announce him when they get the manager. let the papers guess.

if AVB does not get the job. my seond choice would have to be borrell. it would be insane to not atleast look to him. stramaccioni is doing it at inter! (or was dont know if that changed)

however if martinez or rodgers do get the job. even if they maybe arent ready for it. im going to support them. and we all have to. if they come and no one is supporting them then we deserve to be a relegation side. get a grip.

as for the rafa brigade. you guys need to stop just posting RAFA for LIVERPOOL and stuff like this. now its just annoying. and on top of that bar a few other posters. you think FSG should walk. who quite honestly are doing a fine job for their first time in the sport.

last but certainly not least. people on here say only this manager or that manager can save us ( mostly the rafa brigade) and thats quite wrong. one may do it better then the other but it doesnt make the others wrong.

BostonRedBlox


 

 

24 May 2012 12:01:34
seems like we're getting van gaal as DoF and AVB as manager...don't expect us to get hulk or any other world class player. we have the money for it, but we don't have CL


 

 

24 May 2012 12:00:39
AVB to be announced as manager tomorrow!


Who for?


Aston Villa


^ No hopefully that's Martinez's job!


 

 

24 May 2012 11:53:01
what is wrong with you?
to the person who uploaded a picture of avb apparently in liverpool, i found it instantly on google images and is a photogragh from 2011!
can we have some ohnest itk posts please!
edds and macca god job keep it up guys!

billynwa


Nice work pal.. Thumbs up!

Myk


 

 

24 May 2012 11:47:45
Have to show my respect to the Eds because if I was asked which players are coming in and leaving as much as they are think I would flip. People how many times do they have to say no manager or DOF impossible to say at the min. So why not discuss, post, ask about the manager /dof situation as this is more important at present.

Rant over

Karlo88lfc


 

 

24 May 2012 11:46:34
Absolutely dissilusioned with the whole thing now to be honest.
Lets build the Coca Cola Anfield Areana, a 20 year £600m naming rights deal, if those figures sound mad look at when we last won the title and it works out £30m a year, City pay £26m a year for Tevez and Aguero. Make it 70k with room for expansion (utd can expand to 95k in the future) and keep the seat prices resonable with big profits off corporate.
This could pay for the Stadium outright and free up cash for team development.
Whilst I love history, we are running the risk of disappearing into it like leeds and forrest than creating it anymore. We have to be realistic UTD have used all there time at the top of the game to invest in the infrastructure of the club, we wasted our oppotunity in the seventies and eighties (granted the tv money and CL were not there) now we have to make some sacrifices.
As long as it has Anfield in the name and we have the sign over the tunnel we will still call it Anfield, how many fans around the world know what west hams ground is called anyway.
With the Kit changing to red and gold though, I suspect a chinese/oriental influence (ive seen air china mentioned on here), but whatever, its time to move on, and I guess kk leaving the club is the owners first step with breaking with the past.
Moving home is always emotional but can also be the start of a great new life, just ask City and Juventus.


How do you know Coca Cola are interested?


I regrettably agree with your idea, to move forward and compete again at the top, we may have to 'sell out' and lose some of our well kept heritage.. If you can't beat them, join them..

Myk


If it pays the bills its good


 

 

24 May 2012 11:46:30
Kuyt has so much to say these days. I've started hating him ever since he went public with his opinions on King Kenny. What a mug! He's not good enough as a player and he's acted like s**t this season, whining all along.
Furqan.


The team did not do to good with him in the margins dont think its all dirks fault he looked rusty kd didnt get us above everton


Typical LFC supporter these days! Dirk has been an excellent servent to LFC and even as a complete Kenny supporter i think Dirk is right to complain....people seem to forget if you don't play hardly any games in a season you are not likely to play good football.

The same goes for Gerrard also, although LFC supporters seem to still rave on about gerrard, even though he also had played pretty crap this year, and why....because he hasnt had match fitness
give kuyt a break
Gareth


Whining about whining now thats ironic...
Dirk's more Red then you'll ever be son


 

 

24 May 2012 11:44:51
If FSG don't interview rafa, they should at least thank him for the 50m we got for torres.

redkenyan


Aqualani was one of his signings evens it up a bit i think .. mal


^ So was Alonso so the scale's have tipped in Rafa's favour! {Ed016's Note - selling him was Rafa's idea)


 

 

24 May 2012 11:32:12
Espn soccernet.

Van Gaal has been strongly linked with the vacant management position at Anfield, although the club's owners are believed to have identified the experienced Dutchman as the ideal candidate to be the Reds' new director of football, rather than the straight replacement for recently sacked Kenny Dalglish.

Liverpool reportedly plan to appoint a younger man to be in charge of coaching and day-to-day affairs under the more senior director of football.

But the 60-year-old may have thrown a spanner in the works by revealing he would prefer to return to football as a manager - although he also acknowledged that the right project could tempt him to reconsider matters.

"My fingers are itching. I'm full of fire and want to work with players," Van Gaal said, according to the Sun. "I get dozens of offers but I'm waiting for the best one."

Wigan's Roberto Martinez is believed to be a strong contender for the manager's position, but Andre Villas-Boas' chances appear to have taken a hit according to widespread reports.

roman-red


You read the sun?!?! shame on you.


You must have read the sun to know he read it lol.

Red raj


Do you not have any reading comprehension at all!? The first two words of the post quite clearly say espn soccernet which to me means that is where the op got the story from. It's not his fault they quoted the spam is it?

The cherry picker


To the previous 2 posters, he actually says 'according to the sun'

Carb


Look at the full post guy's before blame me. its in Espn soccernet.

r-r


 

 

24 May 2012 11:30:45
Hi Eds or Macca,

Does anyone have a clue when the club are going to announce anything regarding the next manager? Thank you in advance.


I would rather they take thier time then rush and appoint just anyone. Im sure they have an idea of the type of manager they want.

Red raj


 

 

24 May 2012 11:30:14
Louis van Gaal is after the manager's position at Anfield rather than a football directors job which he is being touted for.
The 60-year-old told the Sun: "My fingers are itching. I'm full of fire and want to work with players, I get dozens of offers but I'm waiting for the best one.

r-r


Another who reads the sun.. What are LFC turning into?!


Send the sun where the news of the world went who believes them anyway if they said london got the olympics this year i would have to check it out ..mal


I didn't read sun, it's in Espn soccernet.

r-r


 

 

24 May 2012 11:29:58
I don't doubt Tony Evans article in the times is correct. It is very depressing. AVB has been frightened off it seems. Are FSG making us untouchable? Do they understand football culture? How on earth can they consider a manager that just avoided relegation with Wigan?
They have some funny ideas.


Tony Evans comes across as a very bitter LFC fan to me, I don't doubt his ability as a journalist but every time I hear him speak he is very angry about FSG and doesn't seem to be willing to give them a chance top work things out. I know that he wants Rafa back and because it's not going to happen he seems to be throwing his toys out of the pram every chance he gets.


How on earth could anyone consider a man who lost the Chelsea dressing room in a matter of weeks? If AVB is scared of the idea of working with van Gaal I don't think he's got the character we need. -SH-


 

 

24 May 2012 11:25:07
Something must be happening , I haven't seen a quote from Carragher in over 36 hours


 

 

24 May 2012 11:24:02
So FSG have been "put off" by AVB, according to many reports. This could tie in with Macca's info, has Brendan Rodgers become available and succumbed to talks, or have they been impressed by Martinez and he's set to be announced as manager? It could mean a couple of things - but some will say that AVB wasn't even in the running, but that remains to be seen.


Why an earth would we see Brendan Rodgers and Martinez be seen as a better option than AVB, a manager who's actually won titles and worked with many world class players, and obviously have a better chance of luring good players to the club!


It's called judgement and forsight.
Porto had it when they employed AVB.
Could we not have some forsight and judgement and employ a young ambitious Manager. Whether it's Martinez or Rodgers; whoever give them a chance.
kidmillions


 

 

24 May 2012 11:21:06
FSG can't see a priest on a mountain of sugar.
bring back rafa!

redkenyan


Do you really want the man who sold Alonso back at the club. The man who paid nearly 20 million for alberto the worst signing ever in terms of value for money. The man who used to subsitute stevie and fernando when we needed a goal. The man who is a control freak and tried to play mind games that never worked. Get real move on to many people think he is the answer but he is not. Thats why he has no job he destroyed inter in less then 12 months. And do you really think he will work under a director of football no chance.As Di matteo said recently about the west brom job i went back to an old girlfriend but it never worked.

Red raj


-alonso handed in a transfer request. rafa had a replacement in Barry but no funds.
- Aquilani might have blossomed under rafa, we'll never know
- Fernando had an injury against birmingham. Rafa was being safe because we had a CL game against benfica coming up which we won
- I admit he's crap at mind games. I'm not saying he's perfect but the best option at the moment.

redkenyan


Redkenyan;

Alonso put in a transfer request because Rafa tried to sell him the summer before for pittance to Juventus. Barry is woeful and anyone who rates him higher than Alonso is a fool.

Aqualani never wanted to be here in the first place.

Torres may have been injured, but why replace him with a defender (was it Aurelio?, I can't remember)?

One thing the whole kenny saga has shown I that going backwards is not the way forward.

davethebutcher


Once Xabi knew Madrid were in for him he wanted out! don't blame Rafa for him going!


 

 

24 May 2012 11:01:01
So according to Independent AVB is not being considered for managers position.


Thank god


 

 

24 May 2012 11:00:48
AVB will be named next liverpool manager. Iv said it since the day kenny was sacked. We actually asked about avb before chelsea did but we were not prepared to pay the 13.5mill for a manager, so kenny was given a 3 year deal. Thanks to chelsea, the man we did want is now free and available. If martinez was to get the job who would he attract? No-one good! AVB worked with falcao and hulk at porto and attracted juan mata to sign for chelsea. He is the man, fits the bill as a manager who has won things, worked with 'big names' and has a very, very, very good knowledge of the game. We want star signing? Think martinez and rodgers will attract them? no chance. AVB!!


How do you explain his complete tactical ineptitude and poor man management at Chelsea? Il give him til Christmas if he gets the job.

Gazman


Rodgers and Martinez would be VERY little improvement from Kenny and Hodgson, what quality players have those two even spoke to before let alone worked with?


 

 

24 May 2012 10:56:32
AVB is not so keen on working under Van Gaal at Liverpool. Van Gaal is a strict, power hungry individual, which AVB is worried will lead to arguments in the future.

AVB also wants assurances he can bring in Alvaro Pereira & Joao Moutinho, but FSG wont agree to this, so as of last night, a deal for AVB could be dead in the water. Roberto Martinez is expected to be approached again in the next week or two.


We need Van Gaal type of man with us that will help us to get player from all over the world. Few player Van Gaal sign for Bayern is rocking for them. and it's very good price Luis Gustavo , Rafinha .


I think give Van Gaal the manager job with D o F at least 2 years that guy is master in europe. he can bring few good player.


I think Van Gaal would be ideal, someone to give these under performing players a kick up the backside.


Don't want either of them at LFC!


 

 

24 May 2012 10:55:52
Been using this site for just over two years now n all a can say is thank god for macca and the ed's. there's a few other sensible posters but the majority are deluded!
Anyway I would like to either laudrup or martinez get the job. Young mangers with new ideas hungry for success! Both get there teams playing a brand of football is Liverpool fans would like n with the right amount of backing n clever signing we would be challenging for top 4 n then the title within 2 seasons!
Thanks again eds n macca for the effort u put in
SPARKY


 

 

24 May 2012 10:53:57
just heard avb has decided to turn down the liverpool job.


 

 

24 May 2012 10:37:00
FSG are delighted with their decision to conduct their beauty parade in Boston rather than Liverpool. This has given them the privacy they need to conduct their deliberations without media intrusion and without any pressure from the fans. Having given AVB, Martinez and Van Gall the once over a Brendan Rogering many be next. Yesterday's Boston tea party proved to be a great success. Any concerns as to Martinez inexperience and how could he possibly cope with the pressure if he were to lose 5 games in a row have been allayed after it was pointed out that he has already managed to lose 8 in a row this season for Wigan. Bill Beanie's son's insistence that the candidates should be observed whilst they play Monopoly so as to establish their business acumen has already yielded great results. Van Gall has built a huge hotel empire on the Old Kent Road and showed his genius when he explained how our transfer fund could easily be boosted overnight by £100m. All FSG have to do is bet £4 million quid on him to be appointed LFC's manager at 25 to 1. Let me tell you it is no coincidence that William Hill and Right Said Fred Bet have stopped taking bets on the LFC managerial appointment. May the 4th be with us. Reality Red


"if he were to lose 5 games in a row have been allayed after it was pointed out that he has already managed to lose 8 in a row this season for Wigan"

Absolutely laughable, comparing Wigan to Liverpool! This club has the most passionate fans in football. If Martinez thinks he can get away scot-free with a couple of bad results, he'd better think twice because it's going to be absolutely cut-throat, especially he's brought in to replace Kenny. Singred


 

 

24 May 2012 10:40:54
Anyone got any good rumours linking Torres with the club? I still like reading them..


Im hearing he'll be back next year, when Chelsea play Liverpool at Anfield.

Carb


 

 

24 May 2012 10:40:44
John W. Henry - To Do List.

1) Get the dog neuetered, he keeps giving me dodgy looks.

2) Learn to spell neutered.

2) Appoint new Director of Football?

Louis van Gaal - Would do a good job, get us some dutch talent, looks a bit like Hitler though.
Johan Cruyff - Same as above, might end up smoking behind the bike sheds, looks like the fonz, Ehhh!
Txili Begestain - How do you say that? I'd have to introduce him as Mr Burger Stain? That just sounds wrong.

3) Appoint Young Manager
De Boer - Never Smiles, that could be a good thing, might get him and his brother in a 2-4-1 deal.
Villas Boas - His name means 'House of Snakes', that works for me. Stevie G says he's got a thing about older players though.
Rodgers - I can't decide if he wears make-up or not, those eye brows look too well kept.
Martinez - I like him, the problem is who's going to come and play for him? Might get Victor Moses to come too. That's not really enough though is it.
Di Matteo - If Roman doesn't want him I'll have him...

4) Get eggs for breakfast.


Need a name to the post that way we can look out for more

Puzzled


And you need to Learn to count..


 

 

24 May 2012 10:39:14
Banter note to change subject a little:
Andy Carroll, what's everyone opinion end of season. He has come in for a lot of stick but now lots seem to be keeping him in their dreamteam? Do we keep him or replace him based on first season? RedTurk you don't need to reply to this one.


Sell him to the highest bidder, buy a top striker and promote ngoo and morgan.RedTurk


He seemed to have got his mojo back near the end of the season. We still need another striker bringing in, but andy could end up having a very good season for us.
I would even put money on him being liverpools top scorer next year.

MIKEY


Keep him. he'll come back from the Euros fitter than ever before.

AG


He did enough to persevere with for a bit longer. But needs the right service. He's lost weight, toughened up, now he just needs to stop whining at the ref all the time and get on with it like Keegan, Kenny, God and Rushie had to do. If he's heads in the right place he might just be a great centre forward in the end.
ND


Perhaps andy c was allowed a small ration of newcastle brown ale towards the end of last season wink.


He has been here for basically a season and a half, and 2-3 good games at the end of this season hasnt swayed my opinion, he isnt good enough to get us where we need to be.

Steve


''Sell him to the highest bidder, buy a top striker and promote ngoo and morgan''

What, then when they don't workout, slate them every week as well?

davethebutcher


I've always been a fan of AC, i think he is a good footballer but he needed to settle his private life a little bit and focus on training, which it appears he has done. I've never slated him throughout the season but im glad he's starting to come good. As for puttin him in a dream team, im not sure, im glad he's got the chance to go to Euro's and fingers crossed he'll keep up his performances and he'll be ready to come out next season all guns blazin. What annoys me about it the most tho is reading one of the papers not long after we bought him, NUFC only valued him at about 3 million during the summer of 2010. Clearly Ashley was taking advantage of the fact he knew we were selling Torres and needed a replacement.

Carb


 

 

24 May 2012 10:31:26
The second part of AVB interview didn't go so well. FSG are either going to play a blinder, or they are stuck and we will get lumped with Martinez. Even when you have a sources they are also a lot of the time in the dark tbh.....Redalarm


Martinez will be world class


In about ten years time


The second part of the interview didn't go well? I wonder if that was the part when he said to challenge for the CL I need funds to buy some class players?


 

 

24 May 2012 10:27:54
i have a funny feeling there's going to be a manager for liverpool by 5pm latest :)


You still got that funny feeling? if you have i'd get to the quack's!


 

 

24 May 2012 10:27:06
AVB out of running after informal chat with owners working with Van Gaal is going to be the problem


I never saw that pairing as making any sense.


 

 

24 May 2012 10:25:02
Hey Macca - thanks for all the info.....
It seems as though interest in AVB has cooled, and interest in Rodgers and Klopp has re-emerged. Can you confirm this?


 

 

24 May 2012 10:24:24
Harry Redknapp has been approached.

Anfield Villain


I believe Jamie and Louise kept their house in Gayton Village near Heswall and have never sold it.


Season ticket sales will plumet


 

 

24 May 2012 10:24:12
Morning Eds, top work by the way!

Do you think there's a chance the liverpool board might be hanging on to see what happens with Roberto Di Matteo?

He would tick all the right boxes and could work with a DoF like van Gaal, Cruyff or Begiristain?

It'd be a bit cheeky, but could it work, what do you think?


 

 

24 May 2012 10:23:35
All this talk about who the next manager will be is giving me a headache.....i would like it to be de Boer or even van gaal but to be honest I don't think it will be either... All these names mentioned are to keep ppls attention on the talk while fsg talk to the real candidate's....who ever it turns out to be... Good luck


 

 

24 May 2012 10:22:11
According to the Liverpool Echo.AVB out of the running for Liverpool job..What about Louis Van Gaal Michael Laudrop Partnership..


 

 

24 May 2012 10:16:54
Hey eds just wondering if you had anything new on the manager situation?

With people saying something has put FSG of AVB and their reluctance to pursue Capello or Rafa is it now between Martinez and Laudrup or do you think another name might come into it ?

Cheers ed great work {Ed002's Note - There is nothing new that I am aware of right now.}


 

 

24 May 2012 10:15:28
Havent posted in a while.. Ive had nothing nice to post in regards to our latest situation so ive kept my mouth shut and emrely been a spectator on this site recently.

Idea which a couple of people have mentioned already and i think makes perfect sense is Bielsa Tactical Coach and Borrell as his number 2 in charge of Communicatons. Love it to happen, but its never going to

Sam Adzii JFT96


 

 

24 May 2012 10:13:45
Fenway will spend big ££££ in the summer when they get the new manger.. Second place is not an option for them. That's why sadly they had to sack KK... I have some close contacts with J.W.Henry i know they want to win the League and champions league.


Sweet music to my ears, if only it were true though. My bet is Martenez, 30 million in the summer and 7th place.


I think the original poster is right. it may be near as big of a spending spree as last summer


 

 

24 May 2012 10:09:02
Looks like AVB is out of the running paving the way for Roberto Martinez. Martinez is Roy hodgson part 2, wont be able to attract any big players and we will be on a slow decline again.

Liverpool need a bigger name at the helm again


 

 

24 May 2012 10:05:54
Question for Eds..
Why has all the attention shifted from txiki begiristain for the DOF role to Vaan Gaal?
I thought Txixi was unemployed and was keen to take the role where as Van Gaal is infamous for his wars with boards everywhere he goes... {Ed002's Note - We cannot control nor understand the shift of attention.}


 

 

24 May 2012 10:04:55
Hey eds I would just like an opinion by one of you in regards to something that's been bugging me. When comolli was sacked 6 weeks ago why was a replacement found immediately? I mean you wouldn't sell a player unless u had a replacement ready. Would appreciate a reply thanks {Ed002's Note - It is the end of the season and the board need to ensure that whomever they bring in is the right person for the job that they want doing.}


 

 

24 May 2012 09:58:43
with all of the rumours flying about here,s my take on them
Martinez-- plays a good football game but inexperienced at the very top level, could work out given time. did well for 6 weeks but is that enough for a team trying to win titles, cups. etc.
Van Gaal-- very experienced and doesnt care if he upsets people. knows the game inside out and very outspoken. dicatorial style but can it work with modern day players or is it just what we need?
A.V.B.---- Had a reputation that was tarnished by his Chelsea days, is he strong enough. It did,nt work out at Chelsea so would it be worth a chance. press would be hounding him in his next job to see if he will crack. Football wise, he did well before that but is he cut out for premiership football?
Rijkaard---- Again unproven in the premiership but has done well in previous jobs. seems a bit of a loon at times and i cannot help remembering him spitting at a German player when they were getting sent off in a game.
Bielsa--- one of the Eds favourites but his lack of english would go against him. Would he move anyway? one of the top coaches/managers around at the moment.
Rodgers--- Coming more and more into the market. Ruled himself out because he thought that he had no chance anyway. Plays football the right way but the set up was done by Martinez, he just carried it on and improved it.
Mourihno and Kloop --- no chance
Rafa-- done it before and does,nt seem to be in the Americans thoughts, everyone has an opinion on Rafa and mine is that we should give him another go.
this may be all just a smokescreen and someone will be appointed from out of the blue that no one has mentioned. Either way, whoever is appointed i will support them. I would have hoped that coaching positions could be found for certain ex players for eg Aldridge. Ex Football manager and could teach the strikers how to finish. enthusiastic and, imo, wasted.
anyway, we will soon know
Robbie


The art of goalscoring is the only thing that can't be coached.
kidmillions


The art of goalscoring can be coached. Ask Robbie Fowler who spent hours after hours with his dad shooting at the goal. i do agree though that a lot of it is in the mind with confidence a major factor. Aldridge himself will tell you this.
robbie


It can't be coached at any level. That's why clubs pay mega £millions for goalscorers. No club in the World can get hold of a 7 yr old and teach him to score goals? It's the most natural skill in football. Anyone who's ever played at any level will tell you that.
kidmillions


Played at various levels and seen kids and young men converted into good goalscorers. Some just need telling how good they are. Man management it's called.
Robbie


I think you'll find its called person management these days, Robbie. Women can be perfectly good goalscores too, provided the dinner is on the table first of course.


 

 

24 May 2012 09:54:30
big fan of the eds, so wont ask a question as such, as im guessing they're getting bored of trying to answer questions that at the minute have no answer..

anyways, IN MY OPINION, if we can't go for AVB then why don't we go for Michael Laudrap or Rijkaard, id be happy with any of them 3 managers, I can't see the logic with going for a manager who has over achieved with a Premier League club, we tried that once with flavour in the month, and we are now in the situation we are in

I actually believe in the owners, definitely but am a little baffled why going for these 2, I just hope, there are yet more twists and turns and we end up with someone we are all happy with (well majority) and we can become a unified fan base again...

Cheers

Ray


Just following from that, I also think they shouldn't listen to the fans, who regards to who they want, BUT I do think they should listen to the fans, to they DONT want..


 

 

24 May 2012 09:54:24
If its going to be Van Gaal then I personally don't mind the manager being Martinez, with his experience it shouldn't be too much of a problem.


 

 

24 May 2012 09:46:03
Prices on New Manager have flip-flopped over night.
Last night on Hills AVB was fav at 5/6 with Martinez at 5/2: Today a new book has just opened with AVB pushed out to 100/30 and Martinez in to 11/8 favourite.
kidmillions


Its because nobody actuallty knows anything. Most of the stuff in the papers is from frustrated jounos who are making things up because everything by Liverpool is actually being done secretly apart from Liverpool officially approaching clubs so as not be accused of breaking UEFA and FIFA regulations. This is why Talks**te, Sky Chavski News and the press are getting frustrated because they can't give a 'coronation' to their choice.


Martinez just shortened to 11/10:
AVB pushed out further to 4/1
kidmillions


 

 

24 May 2012 09:43:25
Hey Eds, just a question regarding the all-encompassing managerial situation at present. Do you believe FSG are being incredibly shrewd here regarding the business they are conducting, or do you feel there is some disarray regarding who to appoint after the recent dismissal of KK? As has been reported, FSG are very clever businessmen but would really like to hear your views on it. Thanks for all the work you put in! JP. {Ed002's Note - They will be looking for the right man for the job.}


Do fsg really know who they want or are they sitting down listening to the applicants and deciding which one talked the talk during the interviews.a total balls up if you ask me.fsg are starting to look a bit clueless when they have to leave the office and go down to the coal face to sort out a problem


 

 

24 May 2012 09:39:59
local radio says Liverpool are not interested in avb & will not be interviewed,so its between Martinez who stats are ,played 127 ,won 34,drew 36,lost 57 win rate of 27% ,omg why are we even thinking this,get rafa back,if we are to stop the free-fall we need a top coach.finno61


He may have a low win ratio, but he has not had the budget or players he would have @ LFC

Red4Ever


At Wigan he is not managing from a level playing field so his stats will seem low? ( his stats are good even at Wigan against the top teams) whereas when he managed Swansea and was operating on a more level playing field his stats were over 50%. If he was to get the job he would be competing in the Premier with Liverpool on a more level playing field, so possibities are he could be extremely successful. It's my opinion the time is right for a new young manager to take the Premier by storm.
kidmillions


Martinez is a clever respectful guy and i like them qualities in the man but i just dont think he is the answer for immediate success and i think he'll struggle to get past 8th again so if he's appointed then its clearly a year by year progress for liverpool fc and yet somewhow i dont see the fans wanting to wait 4 or 5 years to see liverpool back in the champions league . Of course a miracle could happen and we could get there sooner if martinez is given substantial transfer funds and he gets the right players and i dont mean the hulks, falcoas of this world. Fingers crossed on all levels that our club proves doubters including myself wrong and the manager be it martinez or whoever turns out to be a masterstroke and genius business planning?


 

 

24 May 2012 09:35:53
Morning eds, just reading the guardian and it's stating that we spent 135 million as our wage bill last season that seems really high as man city only spent 174 m on wages I thought the new players coming in were on low wages, any idea on who is earning all this money? {Ed002's Note - I am sorry but I don't see it as relevant and all mit can do is lead to an "is he worth it" discussion.}


The reality is that they haven't been able to cut the wage bill as much as hoped


 

 

24 May 2012 09:34:50
Ed's, Is it just me or.....if FSG sign AVB our club will be more KFC than LFC??

But seriously people cant honestly want or be happy with Andre villas Boas?

If he froze out the senior players at Chelsea...then how that going to affect Stevie G or Bellamy ...also are people really going to be happy with a influx of overseas and un proven in the prem players?

What I'm saying is has the 'buy british-build a british squad' ethic gone out the window?

que the 'but british players are s**te and buy 'obligitory foreign name who only look good because they play n a sub-par league replys.......


If it helps us to win the qualify for CL and subsequently challenge for the league , then why not?


If you judge a manager as a failure because Chelsea have sacked him, presumably you would include double winner Carlo Ancelotti and world cup winner Scolari in that catagory. AVB saw the long term problems at Chelsea, but set about changing things at a pace the established figures at the club were uncomfortable with. He was hired by Chelsea to take them forward, but bottled it when it looked like they would lose out on CL qualification. Chelsea have succeeded as a result of sacking AVB, but the problems remain. At Liverpool, you would hope he would be trusted and given time to take the club forward, a luxury he was deied at Chelsea.


To the poster above, round of applause! What a great response. You can never judge a manager on wheter he is good or bad because Chelsea sacked him, Chelsea have had 7/8 managers in the 8 years Abromavich has owned them, most of them world class, proven managers. CL was the trophy Abramovich wanted the most and AVB was removed when it looked like it wouldnt happen, even tho he was still doing what Chelsea wanted and that was lookin to the future - younger players. If you look at the stats AVB has a better record as Chelsea manager than Di Matteo does.

Carb


 

 

24 May 2012 09:34:11
Ed do you think laurent blanc may be a possible contender for the lfc manager job? {Ed002's Note - I would doubt it rather than rule it out entirely. There is a school of thought that LB will end up elsewhere next year.}


That wouldn't be United ed? I thought he was recommended by Ferguson...

Richards {Ed002's Note - That would be United.}


 

 

24 May 2012 09:33:32
Ed has klopp definately rejected us? a lot have people have said those quotes the other day are old ones taken when he was linked to chelsea {Ed002's Note - I don't see that Kloop is an option.}


 

 

24 May 2012 09:31:02
Im not even involved with the club and this new manager situation is driving me nuts. I would not like to be in Ian Ayres position i tell u that.

YNWA


 

 

24 May 2012 09:22:35
The Echo are now reporting that Villas Boas is out of the running, and they're as good a source as there is out there at the moment.


 

 

24 May 2012 09:05:42
AVB is still top target as i said awhile ago he was part of the original plan but chelsea got there first redalarm brought it to my intention that he wants falcao which i believed wasnt AVBs choice but jan molbys. cheers CRAIG


 

 

24 May 2012 09:02:19
Hi Folks,

I am just writing to let you guys know that im taking over at anfield this monday .. Please dont waste your time writing rumours and Banters..

Oh yes and I will be buying Edinson Cavani and Eden Hazard..

Yours Truly
R. Mancini


 

 

24 May 2012 09:01:27
For me van gaal is the outstanding candidate for manager.proven track record, plays attacking football and strong leadership qualities.

Theres every chance he could get the sporting director role and i have a feeling the manager will be someone who we arent expecting like flores, diego simeone or even gus poyet. A young manager to work with van gaal.

Not at all itk but lets wait and see


Tixxi begestrian for DOF and rodolfo barrel for manager would be what I would like


 

 

24 May 2012 08:32:36
so we apparently don't want AVB and Martinez is close to joining Villa. Who else is in the running then? Please not Rodgers or Cappello.

Matt Wollacott


 

 

24 May 2012 08:22:11
What about Slaven Bilic? Young manager quite alot of experience! Is he managing croatia still? If he is he could be the Euro candidate that Ayre mentioned.

Jordan {Ed002's Note - Bilic is moving to Lokomotiv Moscow.}


 

 

24 May 2012 08:02:19
If some rumours are to be believed regarding Louis van Gaal as DOF then maybe it would make sense to install Frank Rijkaard as manager keeping a Dutch element & theme in the playing styles...

thanks,

SL


The Dutch system, or "total football" is basically what we're after. But although Frank Rijkaard was a master of this ON the pitch, he's quite something else off it. LVG knows the system, he bases it a little too much on fitness rather than ball control though, so Brendan Rodgers would be the best candidate for this style, albeit a very developed "cryuff" style of play.


 

 

24 May 2012 08:00:53
If it takes the club 3 weeks to decide on League 1 winner Martinez, I really do fear for our future. How that would be an improvement on Dalglish i don't know.


 

 

24 May 2012 08:00:03
Friday is Martinez day! Hoorah!! This is the 4th time i've been told Martinez.
kidmillions


 

 

24 May 2012 07:48:36
I love the Ed's. Your bril. Keep up the good work!

Thank's
Burnsy {Ed002's Note - Post of the day.}


 

 

24 May 2012 07:42:05
im picking andy carroll to do well at the euros. i think roys style of play could get the best out of him
Nzl_red


 

 

24 May 2012 07:27:54
If FSG really understand our club, as I would hope after running a similar high profile team ie BoSox, they would look for a manager that has shown brilliance at small teams but hasn't been exposed to a pressure cooker environment. LFC, despite our disappointing seasons of late, are a big club bc everyone involved -fans, media, players, staff- all expect us to do well. When we fail it is a big story but success brings glory that is unrivaled in world football, and it's those expectations or ambitions that can break managers. Think Rafa (this is not an endorsement for the current position) how he showed technical genius at Valencia and then came here, continued to believe in himself, and made decisions (albeit some bad ones) that were based on his own judgement and not based on expectations. Classic introvert confidence. Yes he lost out in the war of words, and ultimately collapsed from an inability to communicate with the owners, but those are not strengths of an introvert. His strength was in believing in his method and not being affected by outside influences that any boss at Anfield could expect. However if that belief is broken then it can result in bad things and that's why I wouldn't want him back although I love what he accomplished here in the past. So basically a logical introvert, with good football intelligence, who has won things and knows what he wants from his team, someone who hasn't been exposed to this sorta pressure and still can shut it out while under stress, someone culturally secure with a sense of pride who won't be shaken by the mind games, someone tough enough who could cracks open SAF's skull in the Anfield carpark if it does get nasty, someone who has a charming extroverted side that can lure media and in turn high profile targets to our team, someone who can communicate his needs to the owners and get their financial backing when needed, someone who's face would look good on a red banner and preferably his name is an anogram for YNWA...

Who is this guy... any Nawy, or Anwy, or Wayn out there? YAWN... nothing come to mind? That's because this person doesn't exist.

Shanks was a quiet genius, but what made his teams extraordinary was his bootloops staff. He had a team that encompassed these traits among them and they understood and trusted each other to carry out their roles to ultimately what was best for LFC. This is a big order these days because the egos and outside influences are too strong and this is exactly why we have to dream small. We need to have a functioning group more than we need a big name, and they won't need much time if the talent is there. Let's hope FSG is thinking about this as much as they should be and we'll be okay...actually we'll be everything that LFC was, is, and will be once again- the best football club on the planet. YNWA azkop


 

 

24 May 2012 07:13:28
The rafa brigade can forget about him getting the managers job. My source has just informed me he's got the job at tesco collecting the trollies.

Camo924


Funny, I went to Tesco this morning only to find all the shopping trolly had been locked together in a defensive format in front of the main entrance.


Lol at un-named poster! Were the trollies marking zonally?

AG


 

 

24 May 2012 07:10:25
Hi everyone, heard some rumors stating AVB has signed for 5 years with the club offering him 40 million for that period. Any more news on this Ed? I know the situation currently is very confusing and unclear, but i would just like to know your thoughts on AVB as the new manager? Because of what ive read here, i feeel not many people are keen on getting him.

P.S: Keep up the good work with the qwebsite, amazing job


 

 

24 May 2012 07:07:25
AVB missed the deadline set by FSG for a response. Out of the running.


 

 

24 May 2012 06:45:51
I have a very reliable source. His name is Johnny Nash. He tells me that "there are more questions than answers"........
Iggypop


Why did you post this! Can't stop singing it now:):):):)
kidmillions


I wonder, did Iggy write The Passenger for Stuart Downing?


 

 

24 May 2012 05:33:38
"However do you see a plausable way of overcoming the language barrier. Learn over the summer? A translator?
Thanks
N.I Red {Ed001's Note - Borrell as number 2?}"

Ed, I think this would be an awesome combination, Beisla as manager and Borrell as assistant, do you think the owners are even considering this? Or considering Borrell for that matter?

Cheers
Aussie red {Ed002's Note - I really don't know who they are considering.}


That would be something else he would prob bring Munian with him and would give the youth a chance


 

 

24 May 2012 05:13:43
Why all the Rafa support! He near destroyed us, poor tactician ans stubborn.
He won champions league. No he didn't! It was Houlliers team that won not Rafa's


This statement is trotted out all the time. Rafa may have had Houlliers squad (bar 2), but it was Rafa's tactics that won that final. That and the belief and support of the fans.

PaddyB 75
YNWA


Not that I think he should be manager, but he was not a poor tactician...

Richards


I like Rafa, but i would rather us not have him back. He was a strange tactician, almost every game 62nd minute substitution. I even remember one game where Andy Gray said 'yep, comin up to the 60th minute and there's a few LFC player warming up, give it a couple minutes and they'll be on'
Then theres his strange subs, like takin off important people while searching for a goal. I think his tactics alone cost us the title when we finished 2nd. Good manager, jus not for me. Its about time every started lookin forward instead of back, its probably why we havent won anythin recently. Im bored of hearin about Torres, Mascherano, Alonso, Benitez, the only way to make progress is by moving forward, so lets move forward.

Carb


 

 

24 May 2012 04:53:30
Hi Eds. Just a question. Would senior players be consulted for the appointment of a manager? As I recall in Gerrard's biography, Rick Parry called both him and Carra about the appointment of Rafa. Will it be the same this time around? {Ed002's Note - It is unlikely.}


 

 

24 May 2012 04:49:49
hi eds, well ive been reading a lot of crap on these pages since kk was sacked. now it would seem 1 manager isnt going to work for lfc, no in order for us to reach those heights we want to achieve it would appear that according to all lfc rumours (ie rumours page) we are in fact having four managers. yes thats right 4. there are so many people in the know lately that fsg have decided to hire martinez avb van gaal and rijkaard. with all these managers we wont need a dof just a bigger boot room.
billy


 

 

24 May 2012 04:29:38
With all that has transpired at LFC in recent weeks, and the owners 'ruthless and unwarranted' sacking of KK, and their hunger and greed for more and more money (with little evidence of how it will be used to grow and develop the club).
Are FSG trying to turn LFC into another 'American style, corporate wh*re'!.
Damn!, its a feeling that leaves me as cold as ice.
The soul of the club gone, bring on the 'moneymen!'.
I just don't like what I am seeing.


 

 

24 May 2012 04:04:16
Could the club actually afford LVG and AVB?.
I mean arn't FSG trying ever means to 'trim' the wage bill.
Let's be honest FSG also appear to be 'very tight' when it comes to paying competitive wages/salaries.
Howr are we ever going to be able to attract suitable talent when we have 2 scrooges running the show.
We will always have to settle 'for less', so much for our 'lofty' ambitions!.


So in your opinion we should pay players with the standard of Jovanovic and poulsen huge wages? One thing United has is a good wage structure. Apart from Rooney rest of their players are on a deserved wages.


 

 

24 May 2012 03:21:56
i know a lot of fans wouldn't be happy with martinez as manager but i would i can see the potential in him he likes to develop young talent as he has shown at wigan and before at swansea and with someone like van gaal as dof to help him if needed i think it can work some say he cant attract the best players but i think its the name of the football club that attracts the players not the name of the manager what yous think guys -THANKS THE POPE


Highly likely you will be looking a very young manager then,pope.one that wears shorts and preferably around 10 years old


I've nothin against Martinez, he's a good manager, but in my own personal opinion, he jus isnt quite ready for Liverpool yet, not only because its a massive stepup from Wigan, but because we're not in the best of conditions at the moment and there would be a lot of pressure on him and he could crack and it would be detremental to his career. Im not sayin he should go and use another team as a 'stepping stone' to a team like Liverpool, but he certainly does need a little bit more experience for me. I suppose its a little hypicritical because i would like AVB as manager, but personally, i think someone who can come in and handle the pressure/stress of the job is most fitting person for the job, but who ever gets it, gets my full support.

Carb


 

 

24 May 2012 03:03:58
I really hope AVB gets the managerial role and txiki gets the DoF. I can guarantee of they were to be appointed, big players would be brought in. I have no idea who but a striker like Falcao is obviously what everyone is looking for, but these two would be able to find a player like Falcao who no one has really considered, in other words - slipped under the radar. Prime examples of strikers slipping under the radar are Soldado, Welliton, Remy. It's all a guessing game on who's going to be manager and who we might get, but I think most LFC supporters and I can see decisions being made very soon. All we can do is back whoever is manager, because they're not at top elite for no reason.


 

 

24 May 2012 02:28:37
Its done, 100%. I told you all a while ago Martinez was our first choice if Kenny left and I got buzzed off. He who buzzez last buzzez longest....angelinas right leg


 

 

24 May 2012 00:05:39
Hi Eds, I noticed Ed022 said that Liverpool might be in the market for another LB. Has Jose Enrique not performed enough at that position? I thought he was one of the better summer signings.


He needs backup though, so we can stop wasting our CB's fitness out there.


I think it's back up, Robinson needs to go on loan, no Aurelio... back up would be Johnson.

Richards


 

 

24 May 2012 02:02:56
Friday 12pm-4pm is when the manager will be announced. As to who it is it is anyone's guess. I believe Roberto Martinez will get the job because he is more easy going that AVB.

BthekingB


 

 

24 May 2012 01:03:42
Hi Eds & Fellow Reds,

Just a thought , was just think if we had the following managerial structure, it wouldnt be bad at all

Chairman : David Dein

Director of Football : Louis Van Gaal

Coach : Andreas Villas Boas

Assistant Coach: Rudolf Borrell

I'd wouldnt mind seeing Jari Litmanen taking over the youths. What a player and imagine what they would learn off him.

Just a thought

Rebel_Red


 

 

24 May 2012 01:03:39
I don't know about you lot but I am getting fed up with the whole process, and FSG.
Give the job to Rafa.
He never left but was sacked.......by Americans.
FSG seem clueless about PR. Perhaps they are just clueless, about European sport ?


STOP LOOKING BACK! We have an opportunity to grab this club and bring back from the flames. If that's means doing something a littlet different let's do it. 22 years trying to do it the old wy hasn't worked as Rafa would say "FACT"

Mike


 

 

24 May 2012 00:49:19
I have a horrible feeling Martinez is going to get the job,and its been sorted out for a while as well,they just dont want to cause a uproar...so going thru the motions...NOT...


You have no idea so relax hobo


And you do..??? merrick


 

 

24 May 2012 00:45:22
Fans should be patient about the managerial position, the media are changing the new manager every day, after the Suarez affair they will be keeping everything in house and no-one except the owners will have a clue. I personally think that of all the candidates mentioned it will be Martinez to take over. Rafa has absolutely no chance because performance in the transfer market will be key and though Rafa made some fantastic signings, the signings of Jovanovic (spelling ?) and Aquilani will go against him. Neither did anything for LFC but picked up handsome wages and signing on fees.
Whoever the manager is the fans should support him and hopefully give him time to settle and not start chanting for ex managers.
I personally don't think Champions League qualification will be a necessity provided we are in with a shout right up to the end of the season.
Transfer targets are almost not worth speculating about till a new DOF or/and Manager are in place which may be too late before Euro 2012 and deals may be concluded towards the end of the transfer window.
Thanks to all the Eds and Macca for their time and patience to provide us with whatever info they can find. You guys are great and the site is awesome, won't be long before the major media start collecting their info from here too.
McB


 

 

24 May 2012 00:15:45
hiya heads and macca , the owners have done well for themselves in buisness over the years , so do you think they would sack kenny without a replacement already set up to take over , these are ruthless buisness men so they wont do anything lightly , they were ruthless with kenny and camolli , and for anyone to be a sucess they also have to be ruthless not reckless , because sacking a manager with no replacement ready would seem reckless , and thats one thing these owners are not , smoke screen and tapping up comes to my mind or they know they have to wait for someone to finish their holidays , before they can announce who the manager is , i just cant get my head around that they would be so reckless to sack kenny without anyone else to step in as soon as , so i think they have someone lined up already and are just waiting for the right time to announce them , whats your views on this ,,,,,,,,,,,,,mickey b {Ed002's Note - It is not a smoke screen. Dalglish has gone and they are seeking a new manager.}


 

 

24 May 2012 00:00:59
hi eds what can u tell us about the proposed new stadium/rights ect cheers {Ed002's Note - Putting aside a shared stadium, with a feeling of deja vu, there are five options as I see it: (1) New build to an existing “approved” design commissioned by the previous owners. This has the benefit of being the quickest and most economic way forward as far as a new build goes and I recall the fans being impressed with the designs. (2) New build to the design of an existing stadium (e.g. the Allianz Arena). This would save considerably on architects fees but may prove problematic in other areas – but may be more viable than folks realise. (3) New build to a completely new design. It will cost considerably more and take much longer to go down this route. This has to be a high-risk option. (4) Redevelopment of Anfield to add 12-15k seats that FSG would like to see. Economically this would seem to be the option that would give the best return on investment, but this is the option that is hampered by local planning regulations. My feeling is that this is seemingly the option that most fans would prefer. (5) A phased improvement and redevelopment of Anfield to bring the stadium up to code and to perhaps add some additional seating. This would provide a medium term solution that only moves the real issue to the right, but it would possibly facilitate the inclusion of the full quota of additional seating at a later date. My assumption was always that any naming right deal would be for a new build and not for a redeveloped Anfield although that position has moved somewhat. I suspect that FSG are actively trying to find a way to overcome planning regulation restrictions that would allow them to eventually add the additional seating at Anfield that they desire. Building a new stadium is going to mean a very large loan being taken on and even though sponsorship will cover much of the cost year on year, it can possibly be seen as an albatross that FSG may not want hanging around their neck. So options (4) and (5) remain the most likely in my view.}


Why does'n option (2) work our Ed? with a naming partner it s a viable option for it right?? {Ed002's Note - They are all viable to one degree or another - that is why I listed them as options.}


 

 

24 May 2012 00:25:35
It's disgusting that we're all kicking off over who might be getting the job and who won't! We're Liverpool fans and we need to support the new man no matter who he is! My personal preference is Andre Villas-Boas with Rodgers second. If it was Martinez, Rafa, Laudrup, Van Gaal or whoever I'd support them no matter what as they'd deserve time and respect and I'd like to thnk we'd afford it to them


Of course. same way rh had my support, i'm very disappointed with kenny being sacked. but as i've stated many times now, if it's to build a future then i'm happy, these things happen in football and as long as it's in the best interests of liverpool football club, i will be happy.

red7.


Well said the above poster. Whoever is placed in charge will need all the support they can get, from both the supporters and the club alike. Patience is now very much needed instead of high expectancy which more than most, results in disappointment.


At the same time it's not called BANTER for nothing, just saying like.


Of course I'll support them and want them to do well... but I'd rather they didn't appoint Martinez

GuvTOB


 

 

23 May 2012 23:51:50
Hi eds stan james and William hill have closed the market for the liverpool job any ideas as to why?

D690 {Ed001's Note - because they don't know who will get it and too much money is going down which they can't lay off.}


 

 

23 May 2012 23:36:11
Eds/Macca in a lot of posts you're saying we aren't able to afford players such as Falcao (40mil is alot) but Moutinho who surely wouldn't cost over 20 million, this is bad in the long run even Hicks and Gillet gave us money at the start for Torres etc sell to buy isn't going to help us as we haven't got much to sell except key players


The facts are Liverpool do not have an unlimited resources for the squad, last season the funds were provided to KK buy whoever he wanted and he thought best to buy British inlight and KK and the squad did not deliver CL which is the money pit we need to keep spending big on the best players.

Their will be limited funds available for the new manager whoever he is and he will have to sell players to raise more funds, but I don't see Liverpool selling big name players if we want to progress on this years failures.

We need to keep our best players and sell fringe players if we can generate 10-20mil from sales of fringe players then total funds maybe 40-50mil available to the new management, but CL next season will be hard to achieve and although I hope and pray we will climb the table to 4th & above I can't see it happening so quickly.

Going on FSG's prior work method they do not throw money at problems but work from the top down to put the right structure in place to succeed unfortunately for us fans this takes time.

Fingers, legs & arms crossed I am wrong and we win the league next season :)
Jules


 

 

23 May 2012 23:31:57
DOF do we need one, do we want one? I just don't know. If I were a manager would I want another experienced coach scutinising my decisions and team selections and potentially undermining me with the owners, no of course not. However, if I were the owner would I want an experienced coach to advise me on footballing matters I may be unaware of, yes, of course I would.

As a fan what do I want? i just don't know, is it a vital part of the modern club structure or is it a hindrance to the smooth day to day running of the squad. Honestly, Im too ignorant of the effects either positive or negative a DOF can have on a club, so I'd like to know what the views of others are ( the eds too if they can spare the time) Including any examples where a DOF has made a difference to a club in transition like ours.

I look forward to hearing your views, as I'm plain confused about what is best going forward

Thanks
Andy H


I think asomeone in charge of the the footballing vision for the club long term is absolutely necessary now . The owners bought our great 'Premier League Club - not the bootroom , and LFC need to change in order to be a force in the 21st Century .

Qwerty


There's no problem with a DOF working with a manager as long as the right individuals are found. The DOF oversees the larger, long term football strategy at the club, alowing the manager to concentrate on the team. It is through developing a long term, consistant strategy that allowed Barcelona to build the team they have today. FSG seem to want to completely refresh the entire structure at Anfield. If they can do so, and keep the Liverpool ethos along they way, they could be about to put in place the foundations for a much stronger club than the one they bought.


Oh,and our last DOF was payed a small fortune,then sacked,no doubt with a severance package !! B


Hi Andy , im not sure mysellf on the whole d.o.f situatiion,but iv been watching with intrest how this whole afair is going to pan out.
I have a feeling its going the barca way with d.o.f in charge and a coach doing the on field stuff but following the patern set buy the such d.o.f.
Seems funny to me that most of the front runners in d.o.f and coach have a strong barca background, someone has instiled this in the owners i believe,aqnd wow if it works im not complaining, : )
my own guess is l.v.gaul as d.o.f and pep seguro as coach.

p.s sorry for spelling i cant spell.

martin p


My view is that it could be very good giving the manager a good line of communication between himself and the owners making sure the manager knows what the owners want and vice versa. Manager speaks with dof. Dof with md and md with owners. The only problem I see is finding all these people with the same views to taking us forward. If all these people have the same ideas and know what they need to do to get it done then I think we will be challenging for titles again soon. 3-4 years. That's just my view

Eric the red


I think that, in the modern game, a DOF is important - with a need for a worldwide scouting organisation, and much more formal transfer processes etc, and dealing with agents etc, it needs someone dedicated entirely to these processes, leaving the manager to focus on the team. As long as the manager is still involved in the player recruitment process, getting final say etc, then it can work!


Hi guys thak you all for replying it has made interesting reading ( and dont worry about the spelling martin, the points were interesting)

Andy H


 

 

23 May 2012 23:26:28
According to the guardian, interest is now cooling on Villas-boas to be the new boss.
i still believe FSG will go for Van Gaal as sports director with Martinez as Coach, just because i believe Martinez is a yes man and would not dare create conflict with Van Gaal, and any manager who is hired will have to understand essentially he will be a number two to the sports director, if it is indeed Van Gaal. that is why Rafa could never come back under the system FSG want to implement with a sporting director and i suspect a lot of other managers wont take to kindly to being told what to do either. the silence and mystery from FSG makes this waiting for a new boss to become unbearable, they need to hurry up with appointments soon as the Euro's starts in two weeks and players need to be scouted.
cobra


 

 

23 May 2012 23:23:52
Not a rumour but little bit of info. PaddY Power bookies have take down the betting page for Liverpools next manager. All the other are still there - Villa etc -

Dont know if they are updating web site or if betting has been closed


 

 

 
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