Liverpool Banter Archive July 24 2016

 

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24 Jul 2016 20:55:15
The Echo are reporting we've given a trial to forma Barcelona youngster Juan Manuel Garcia. A young left back 19yo.

You no much about him ed? I take it if he comes through his trial he will play in the reserves or u21 level?

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{Ed002's Note - No idea.}

24 Jul 2016 22:16:36
He played for the U21's the other day. According to the match report he set up Brooks Lennon with a pretty impressive cross.


25 Jul 2016 01:38:09
I don't think he's a LB but more of a versatile defender who can play several positions. He did have an impressive debut and the youth manager did comment afterwards that he wanted to look at keeping the kid.


24 Jul 2016 20:17:26
Confused. com.
We are supposed to be needing a huge cull in players as we have no EU footy for the coming season, yet we are still bringing in and being linked with many players.
Obviously we will let some people go over the coming weeks, but it seems more are joining.
Weird.
Anyhow, just a little piece of info - Markovic is speaking to West Ham. Price £8.5m but could reach £10m with add-ons.

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24 Jul 2016 20:33:11
We need teams to b interested and make bids first. Am sure there trying to ofload Benteke balotelli Allen lucas b4 he got injured few loans out.


24 Jul 2016 20:46:01
Do ya delay buying the players you want until you can sell the players you want ro upgrade on? Absolute yes for me.


24 Jul 2016 21:29:59
Surely West Ham or any prem side cannot be interested in Markovic?! I really thought Slavan's judgement was decent - this must be a nonsense rumour.


24 Jul 2016 23:17:42
Faith, absolutely no for me. If you do that, you risk prices being inflated more and possibly panic buying. If our accountants are confident of balancing the books, I would much prefer to panic sell than panic buy (or indeed not panic sell at all and wait for the right offer, even if it's the next window) .

Both strategies are a risk, but I'd rather have right players to push us forwards.


24 Jul 2016 23:35:58
Tbf Allen and probably smith will be leaving soon, and I reckon wisdom ilori markovic balotelli are sure to leave, even if on loan for a few. Benteke will if a good offer comes in and ed002 said Spurs make come in for lallana and Milner and Lucas may go if someone bids well too. That's another 9 that could go, on top of skrtel toure Enrique ibe canos that have already left, so up to 14 players. I'm sure a few youth will be loaned too, like ward has. That leaves 2 first team gks, 9 defenders if a left back comes in, 9 miss and 3 strikers, totalling 23. Still large, but not excessive.


25 Jul 2016 02:01:14
Go to the official LFC website and click on team / first team. Should give you am indication of how many players there are and shifting 10 will make little difference to the squad.


25 Jul 2016 02:58:31
Oops soz, meant to say aboslute no hahahahaha I wouldn't think klopp would want to continue working with players he doesn't want just because he can't sell em right now.


24 Jul 2016 20:16:33
Would Chelsea let Baba Rahman leave I wonder? Klopp obviously knows how well he did in Germany, before he moved to Stamford Bridge.

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has shown no interest.}

24 Jul 2016 23:42:01
He is terrible and hence out of favor. Have you watched him last season?


24 Jul 2016 17:04:24
hi eds any thing in the Jetro Willems link. and what do you think about him.

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{Ed002's Note - RTFP.}

24 Jul 2016 12:22:30
Away from Liverpool I know, but a question for Ed002 with your vast knowledge in the footballing world, what's your thoughts on the league of Ireland football and do you ever see a United Irish league between the North of Ireland and the South?

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{Ed002's Note - The problem is the politics of football and not national politics as many would think - and it goes back to the 20s or 30s. There have been attempts over the years to try to resolve matters but neither FA is keen and when the fans of all of the clubs were probed as to what they wanted the majority still wanted the divide maintained - for whatever reasons - political or religious. So in the longer term I expect efforts will be made again but they will not force the situation without consideration of the supporters.}

24 Jul 2016 15:23:37
I can't and don't want to see it happen. i'm more than happy supporting Northern Ireland. I have watched them at Windsor since the very early 80's and i couldn't imagine going down to Dublin to watch a team which would essentially be an "Ireland" team. This is without getting into the politics of it all.


24 Jul 2016 15:37:48
Much appreciated Ed002.


24 Jul 2016 17:27:42
Seems to work fine in the Rugby.


24 Jul 2016 17:35:31
Some matches would have to be in the north too . Both leagues need to join forces to insure the future of club football on this island . Rugby seems to be doing just fine . Hopefully we host the 2023 World Cup.


24 Jul 2016 20:16:28
Well, this is where the politics come into it. Again all the rugby matches are played down in Dublin under the Ireland banner and the Irish national Anthem. Would Ireland be willing to drop their anthem that might be alien to some of their players? Does the rugby take this into consideration? A lot of issues would need to change North and South in order to accomodate both religions and we are light years away from that in my opinion.


24 Jul 2016 20:50:16
Dublin is the capital of Ireland so if there was to be a united Ireland team then the games rightly should be played there. Ireland are so far behind England when it comes to club football its a joke and it will never change unless they start investing in players etc.
I support liverpool even against the Irish clubs so something isn't right, would take something drastic for Irish clubs to reach even a quarter of the status of 1st division English teams.


24 Jul 2016 20:51:21
Have to be honest, I'm completely ignorant of Irish politics. Is it a similar situation to North and South Korea?


24 Jul 2016 22:01:36
Rover, the anthem for the rugby team is Ireland's call, not the national anthem. This was done to accommodate all 4 provinces. Clearly you need to do a bit of research there.
We may be lightyears away from it but most of the issues are here in the North.
When I watch international football I rarely pay attention to Northern Ireland's results. The reason being the anthem is God save the queen which doesn't consider half the population here. Surely if you'd want the anthem to change if there was a United Ireland team, then surely the consideration should be taken for half the population here.


24 Jul 2016 22:47:48
I'm an England fan who went to the euros to watch NI play all their group games with some of my friends from Antrim. I have to say the atmosphere they created was something else, I've been to lots of England matches but I've seen nothing like this. Keep them separated then we can get good honest fans from both the north and south.


24 Jul 2016 23:23:00
You. I 100% agree, there should be an individual anthem for Northern Ireland. You won't get any arguement from me. As well you are correct about Irelands Call but still played under the Ireland flag. These issues are deep routed in our society and not so easy to solve. Consideration needs to be given to both sides.


24 Jul 2016 23:19:04
Wow MK!
Just "wow". Short answer is "no"


24 Jul 2016 23:57:35
Lol, we haven't got nukes pointed at each other yet.


25 Jul 2016 04:44:09
Lightyear is a measure of distance not time! Personally I think it would be a waste of time to join both leagues because it will create extreme hooliganism and there simply isn't going to be a united Ireland team unless there is a united Ireland.


25 Jul 2016 16:42:00
In fairness, it's only a matter of time before there is an all Ireland league and United Ireland football team as it would just be unseemly to have 2 national teams when the country has been re-united.

At the time of the last last census (2011) the religious split in NI was 48% P / 45% C and 7% other/ no religion. Analysts predicted the C population would over-take the P population by 2017 and there would be a plurality (majority in population and elected representatives) by 2023. This would trigger a referendum on Irish Unity under the terms of the Good Friday Agreement. I wouldn't expect this to happen until closer to 2030 though as SF would want a clear majority to ensure the success of said referendum.

Personally I'm a fan of the union, but that democracy for you!


24 Jul 2016 12:23:57
eds any more news on the potential takeover talks or has that all gone quiet for now? thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - I am not the one to ask - I explained the situation and what happened in February with the Chinese - I am sure Macca will by by to give an update on what is going on with the discussions he mentioned not too long ago.}

24 Jul 2016 13:57:43
Anyone else feel we should be looking at someone more experienced than Chilwell at left back. Not convinced he's ready to be first choice just yet but in saying that is probably still a better option than Moreno.

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24 Jul 2016 14:14:45
Took his pen like Phil Neal got confidence I know it was only friendly like.


24 Jul 2016 14:43:43
Can - why are you not convinced? What does the lad have to do to convince you?


24 Jul 2016 15:56:49
Would take Chilwell in a heartbeat, but would also move on an experienced LB as well once Moreno was sold, so that could be Jan/ next Summer.


24 Jul 2016 18:50:25
Not seen much of him to be fair but I just worry that we are potentially buying someone who may not be ready for the first team just yet, will of course give him a chance though and hope I am proved wrong.


24 Jul 2016 20:23:25
I don't suppose Max has either. I'm not saying this lad is not good but can't just go on hype, unless you have been scouting him max?


24 Jul 2016 21:44:46
Better yet what has he done to convince us? It's not just some position where we have a good player there already and are able to take a risk based on hype. If the lad doesn't play well, you know what will happen. He will be slated, his confidence will be brought right down and he won't recover, Moreno takes over again and the same results occur. We need someone that will definitely replace Moreno, not potentially replace him.


24 Jul 2016 22:03:06
Nope, not paid to scout. Have seen two games and both he looked good, considering his age and experience. I'm going on the fact Leicester City people rate him as being good enough to get to the top, also I don't doubt Klopp or his team.

This is good enough for me, at the £7m we value him at and if he were in a more forward position at 19 with this hype + English = a lot higher value. But LB isn't glamorous.

There's just as much chance £7m Chilwell will work just as well as £25m Hector or £12m Amavi. Out of these three I'm all in for Chilwell as I said. The new link (Twitter) to Willems on the other hand at £11m, that would be my choice.


24 Jul 2016 13:44:44
Why is searching for a LB taking so long? Have we not done enough enough research on this position and tripped up now we're not willing to pay the price for chilwell. I know there aren't very many quality LBs out there. But we should have prioritised this position before any other signing allowing them to come in and gel with the other players. Instead of dropping one into the team last minute.

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24 Jul 2016 16:25:16
Don't mind it taking long, it's our most important position to recruit, has been since the window opened and I would rather them take as much time as they need to extensively research that position and get the right man in because we haven't been blessed with great left backs for some time.


25 Jul 2016 04:49:51
Klopp is now looking at fifa 16's best young lb's and is planning on doing a quick season mode so we should know more by next week.


24 Jul 2016 13:32:30
Excited for the season ahead - happy with new signings so far - anticipating further decent progress! YNWA.

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24 Jul 2016 12:32:52
The eds have used the word RTP so much this year, that its being considered by the oxford dictionary to be added for 2017. RTFP may be added for 2018.
Poor eds.

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24 Jul 2016 10:52:59
A good few people banging on about Jetro Willems ed. Zero interest i presume?

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{Ed002's Note - RTP.}

24 Jul 2016 10:23:53
Hi ed's! Hope you're well!

Just read that we are interested in Bartosz Kaputsk, any truth in that rumour?

Cheers.

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{Ed002's Note - RTP.}

24 Jul 2016 11:50:46
Ed's in relation to Chilwell. If we do sign him which I believe we will, do you know is he seen as a starter ahead of Moreno?

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{Ed041's Note - you would hope so wouldn't you.

24 Jul 2016 17:30:19
Certainly would or else I'd be scratching my head!


24 Jul 2016 11:15:36
Ed001, would you have preferred smith to stay over Moreno? Morenos defensive inabilities have been covered but I honestly don't think he offers much in the final third either, his delivery is shocking. You've said before that it was hoped Moreno could be taught to defend but I'm sure smith would come on a lot more given the same chances Moreno has had?

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{Ed001's Note - Smith is not as stupid either, but I doubt we would get anyone to take Moreno.}

24 Jul 2016 23:47:48
Maybe Brendon would take him to Celtic since he's the idiot that signed him and clearly rates him as a left back.


24 Jul 2016 10:47:21
I personally am relatively pleased with the progress Klopp is making thus far both in team coming together and in his transfer dealings. Looking just at the latter it appears that if Allen £13m and Smith £6m do go (and I wish them well) then we have so
D players to a level of around £40m, players that played a total of 21 games and I believe scored 1 prem goal between them (Ibe, Canos, Sinclair, etc included) . Now we seem to have bought a pretty decent GK from all accounts in German press and who has looked assured and confident, albeit not majorly tested in the pre season so far, and two guys that scored 22 goals between them last term (I actually don't care if there was 4 in one game it is still 3 more than the departures for a season) . I have said before that I personally rate GW a better signing than Mane but I really like both and am quite excited. Summing it all up I really think it has been good business, the net outlay is minimal for what we have got and I expect more to depart than we bring in too. Ok a LB is now is in most of our views a priority but I think Mr Klopp is a shrewd man with a decent action plan who, fingers crossed, will now continue to take this club forward with his own choice of players and his own choice of style. YNWA.

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24 Jul 2016 11:06:41
I saw a lot of Wijnaldum at PSV and I have to admit, I am really excited to see him play for us now!


{Ed041's Note - he's a lazy player.

24 Jul 2016 11:33:43
Opinions are opinions Ed041 and we are all entitled to them, but having spent a lot of time in The Netherlands and having seen this guy perform there I have to agree with MK and my opinion is hugely opposing. I am though interested to hear the basis of your judgement and argument?


{Ed041's Note - Newcastle United. Relegation, being dropped for the issues I said. Pick one :) Liverpool have so many very good attacking forwards I just don't see the sense in paying that sort of money. Do you really think his value went up on his performances last season?

24 Jul 2016 11:46:48
Wijnaldum vs Liverpool's top runners, Premier League 2015/ 16

Player Distance per game
James Milner 12.1km
Nathaniel Clyne 10.5km
Emre Can 10.2km
Georginio Wijnaldum 10.1km
Jordan Henderson 9.7km.


24 Jul 2016 11:53:03
How did Harry become an Ed?


{Ed041's Note - cheeky git lol.

24 Jul 2016 12:12:41
Hi Ed I am not sure if you saw my post. There was nothing controversial nor critical just an interest of the basis of your opinion on GW because I have seen him a lot and my opinion, like MK, differs tremendously. I, for one, was jealous of the bargain price Newcastle paid last year. Unfortunately it was the wrong environment to see him shine but I believe he has it and is far from lazy.


{Ed041's Note - If he was not lazy Rafael wouldn't of dropped him for being so mate.

24 Jul 2016 12:24:37
I think his value was far greater than Newcastle played in the first place! I mean Sterling £50m really - he flattered to deceive but I bet some club would still be willing to pay over that £50m! This is a bargain by comparison IMO! I actually think there is a lot to say about the environment in which we all work and, no matter what people say, I challenge anyone to put a solid argument forward that they have never been sub-conciously affected by demotivation at some point in their lives! That said his performances at Newcastle were still far better than many in that distinction all side, and certainly not immaterial enough to call him lazy IMO!


24 Jul 2016 12:30:10
His value went up:
a) proven midfield scorer in premier league
b) longer more lucrative contract.


24 Jul 2016 12:32:14
Rafa is a fan of his, and I don't believe he's just said that so as to sell him on, he'd have kept him if he could IMO! As I think nobody will question Rafa inherited a disfunctional team and had to try things out in order to stop the rot. I don't think he ever said "I dropped him because he is lazy" I might be wrong but I never heard or read it, and we all know what he did (including to us) when he was reinstated!


{Ed041's Note - he rated him so highly he dropped him when he needed his players to step up?

24 Jul 2016 12:38:13
His running stats prove he isn't lazy. Maybe he just prefers most of his runs to be forward and not backward like Benitez wanted?


{Ed041's Note - that's right, because stats tell us everything.

24 Jul 2016 12:39:34
It is all opinion and we will only see how well each new signee fits in and the team gels as the season begins - I for one am excited about it though - and I do believe Klopp to be right for this great club. For what it is worth I have a colleague who is a Chelsea season ticket holder spent a good season telling me Torres is lazy! Again of course I disagreed - for me this was a classic environment issue - egos, clicks, Favouritism, etc that served to demotivate!


{Ed041's Note - but Torres dropped of significantly the season before he left Liverpool didn't he?

24 Jul 2016 13:04:35
Environment! Picked up again when back at Athletico didn't it?!


{Ed041's Note - ok if you say so. We are just going round in circles here.

24 Jul 2016 13:20:59
Ed041, can I ask who you support?


{Ed041's Note - not that it matters, but man utd.

24 Jul 2016 13:24:31
Again I don't think your poster Jezza said "stats tell us everything" and I think we are all intelligent enough to agree that they don't but an indication of the amount of running a player on average does, if a sound and accurate assessment is made, could well be a factor indicative of laziness or not, right? With Milner being top of that list that Gegen seems to have got from somewhere, we can see that there is not a direct correlation between run rate and effectiveness but laziness? No IMO you really have judged that one wrong for our new man. I trust he will prove you wrong.


{Ed041's Note - whatever. I can't be doing this anymore. Stats can be used in many ways and u have chosen this way. I can see u will not hear anything different so let's just agree to disagree.

24 Jul 2016 13:27:23
Ed041 I don't even see how he gets into the first team with everyone fit. Obviously he'll probably be straight in because of how much we paid and klopp must rate him but I've never rated him more than a decent player mate. He does not improve us. It's also worrying we continue to buy players with proven poor attitudes.


{Ed041's Note - I'm sure klopp will look at the stats and see he couldn't possibly leave him out? A midfield of milner and GW it is.

24 Jul 2016 13:28:57
MK and L8, ed041 is relatively new to this trade. Forgive. I agree Wijnaldum is exciting signing.


{Ed041's Note - what has that got to do with my ability to form an opinion?

24 Jul 2016 14:07:09
ed041 please carry on offering your opinions and thoughts, and welcome to this site, personally I would not have bought GW myself and not for that price, however klopp has chosen to do so, if klopp finds out he has bought a lazy arse, then he will have to deal with it.


{Ed041's Note - thanks mate.

24 Jul 2016 14:09:59
Not Newcastle then ed041?


{Ed041's Note - no, man utd.

24 Jul 2016 14:21:16
I'll look out for your posts throughout next season big Al, I think they'll be very interesting. From a consistency point of view of course.


24 Jul 2016 14:23:49
The stat is useless as lfc play a possession game with the majority of the game played in the opposition half. NUFC were poor and unorganised for most of the year so there game was spread out, as an attacker he was having to run from deep often. You need to compare him to players in his side or in a side in similar style and situation. we have to many attackers now and as we have just got him the question really is which are leaving?


24 Jul 2016 14:27:38
Newcastle your second team then ed041 because sounds like you watched a fair amount of there games last season?


{Ed041's Note - I watched enough to form my opinion yes. Look, if u like I will stop editing this page as you can't seem to grasp it's opinions and I'll let your posts build up till another ed does it. I gave an opinion that is all.

24 Jul 2016 14:59:27
For what it's worth I am in complete agreement with Ed041 and his assessment of Wijnaldum. I also think that using stats like Kilometres covered in a game is just laughable and a fundamentally stupid way to defend an opinion on a player. Milner runs loads but, as ed001 has said before, he lacks intelligence and awareness and his running is often to cover up for his poor positional sense (particularly in midfield) : these stats count for nothing.


24 Jul 2016 15:10:15
Ed041 I hate stats and the they're only being used by fans to justify a few players we bought.

Waro. I have been consistent. I'm no ems. I've said I'm not happy with our squad and some of our buys which includes Wijnaldum who i have stated I don't rate. I think he's a terrible buy but that's my own opinion from actually watching him.


24 Jul 2016 15:20:54
We can go on and on wether wijnaldum is lazy, a poor signing, has an attitude problem etc etc but again, let's give him until Xmas with us and if he doesn't track back or has a tantrum when things don't go well we can all slate him and tell Ed041 that he's correct. There will be all sorts of opinions between fans and he won't be everyone's choice of signing but let the guy start with a clean slate.


24 Jul 2016 15:31:19
Just sounds like your opinion is formed merely on the team he has signed for is all.


{Ed041's Note - im obviously not as bitter as you.

24 Jul 2016 15:44:32
I'm sure ed41 will say Ibra is lazy, it's nothing to do with the side he supports. If he said balotelli was lazy, would say typical untied fan?


{Ed041's Note - yes Ibra is lazy and can be a disruptive influence too. Having said that PSG aint my second team, so what do I know....

24 Jul 2016 16:34:36
Exactly big Al and during the season I will monitor your posts to see if that consistency continues (try reading between the lines with my posts)


24 Jul 2016 16:45:25
God some of you are rude, you do realise the eds don't have to send your posts to the site let alone reply so show some respect, I find it creditable that as a united fan he is still taking the time to give his honest OPINION and replying to us on our page, and an outsiders view is actually something a lot of people should take on board, not ignore, asking him if he is a Newcastle fan because he doesn't rate a player, when the only way you can disagree is by watching Newcastle yourself is a little hypocritical don't you think?


24 Jul 2016 17:27:47
Personally I think Wijnaldum is a good player and I think he will start more games than not.
He's my early call for player of the year. 😎.


24 Jul 2016 17:51:14
@Ron I'm with you mate!

Have to say ed41, along with all the Ed's deserves way more respect shown than the above. Ask a man his opinion and then beat him over the head with it? Classy 🙄.


24 Jul 2016 18:44:24
Still holding out for Pogba Ed041?


{Ed041's Note - I'm not to bothered to be honest mate, it will all work it's self out come September.

24 Jul 2016 20:34:20
Look I started all this and I was just trying to understand why you made a statement "he is lazy". Maybe a simple prefix of "in my opinion" could have helped?! I just tried to help you stating it was your opinion and opinions will vary. I think you have done that now and that is fair enough. Meantime I suspect all the attitudes and egos in the Man U dressing room could offer some amusement and potential "Galictico style" bickering - IMO that's a recipe for disaster!


{Ed041's Note - he is lazy IMO.

24 Jul 2016 20:48:45
The other thing is I do not believe I have been disrespectful in any way. I have offered opinion to counter the reason Ed041 seemed to think, or take a view, that he is lazy, seemingly based on one season in a disfunctional team and on a managers actions when, let's face it Rafa was trying all sorts to get the same disfunctional side out of a hole his predecessor dug! We will leave it now and revisit through the season but, like I say, I have personally seen a fair amount of this new signing in his native country and he is most definitely the most exciting signing for us so far IMO! Respect but disagree significantly with your opinion.


{Ed041's Note - you asked for my opinion, I gave it to you. U didn't agree and tried to prove your opinion buy telling me he runs around a lot. I said that is a pointless stat. You didn't like that. I thought we should just stop as we were going round in circles.
You just wanted me to put imo after my post. My bad.

24 Jul 2016 21:09:22
Personally I'm not a massive fan of stats either particularly. I've just seen a fair amount of this player and could not disagree more with regard to work ethic. I think someone else mentioned stats, I agreed stats are not everything but "can" offer some guidance in certain scenarios. Let's leave it now you are right we are all entitled to opinions it is just lazy is a difficult one for me to comprehend based on what I have seen and also I believe his manager was once quoted as saying he had a great work ethic rather than "I dropped him because he is lazy". Apologies if any offence taken, like you say we will agree to disagree. Thanks for taking time to respond continuously it is appreciated, but to say I am not so worried or concerned now that I know you are not a Liverpool fan is being truthful. It is the "fans" that don't give these guys a chance or base opinion on limited viewings of the players that concern me most.


{Ed041's Note - maybe lazy was the wrong word, I should of said he's a waste of money due to him not being better or even equal than what you have already. He doesn't seemingly want to roll his sleeves up and dig in and doesn't have much influence on a game. IMO.

24 Jul 2016 21:23:59
Cool thanks Ed I hope and expect you to be wrong. I'm with Ron on a potential of him being our POTY come May based on my viewings of him. I hope I'm not putting an over expectation burden on him but I, for one, have been saying to friends of mine that I hoped we would look at this guy since his early feyernord days and am just pleased he's here now.


{Ed041's Note - Good luck.

24 Jul 2016 22:13:22
I think he'll be footballer of the year.


{Ed041's Note - you have said, I'm not sure if it's tongue in cheek. I think he will be a bit part player if everyone is fit.

24 Jul 2016 23:21:15
Ed, I'm talking about 'nationally' where some people think I mean for the club only. That was the reason for the clarification.


{Ed041's Note - okay mate, as you can tell I don't think so IMO.

24 Jul 2016 10:24:52
Lucas injury is set to make him miss the start of the season. This will probably stop any potential transfer.

On the one hand i'm happy to see him stay. However he deserves to play and I wouldn't enjoy seeing him unused and surplus to requirements if he does stay with us.

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24 Jul 2016 09:55:28
Dear Liverpool fans

This is not PeeWee league Baseball.
You do not just give the youngsters a chance. You not say "oh so and so can play there so no need to get in a proven player".

Players get game time for their ability!

I will get slated because a lot feel youth should play. But I feel youth should get a chance only when they are as good or better than the player they will replace.
So many will say how will we know they are good enough if they don't get game time?
The same way we knew Fowler was good enough, the same way we knew Gerrard was good enough, the same way we knew Owen and Sterrling was good enough.
If a player does not stand out in the youth sides, does not show exeptional tallent there, then chances are they may not be that good! There are your exceptions to this, like your Vardys. But that's where selling some of the youth comes in. Like selling Ibe. He may well end up being world class. But let's face it, he would probably have a better chance of doing so when he's not on a field, in the shadows of Coutinho, Firmino, etc. He will now get a chance to shine.

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24 Jul 2016 10:52:34
I've lost your point Andy? I mean what prompted those comments? Who has been saying give youth a chance when they are not good enough or proven in the shadow teams? I personally doubt Ibe will be world class, Sterling definitely is not and I am a little taken aback that you mention the latter in the same sentence/ breath as those others.


24 Jul 2016 11:06:27
Yep i agree andy, let's just shut down the academies today, no need to develop youth players because we can just buy players that other academies have developed and given chances to. All those proven players out there magically appeared as proven players and were never given the chance to play or develop.

Your logic is flawed and short sighted my friend and i suspect you will have a lot of lemmings agreeing with you too.


24 Jul 2016 11:06:50
The problem is that it is quite often very difficult to judge if a young player is going to make it when they step up to the first team. There are some exceptional talents at youth level you are right, that are always going to make it, but they are few and far between. There are others that impress at youth level, but fail to make the step up, (Morgan for instance), and there are others that do not particularly shine, but seamlessly make the transition to senior level when given the chance, for instance Kane. I know Ed001 in particular has talked about this in the past, and there are many different factors that dictate how likely it is other than just apparent talent in a youth team set up and environment, mentality, physical development, attitude, etc. etc.
My point is, you just don’t know until they are given the opportunity. That is not to say they should be chucked into the first team on a permanent basis as a direct replacement for a senior player, but should be utilised more, as cover, rather than constantly buying established pro’s, otherwise why bother with a youth academy at all? One thing Sir Alex was in my opinion fantastic at generally, was gradually introducing youth prospects into the first team, some made it, some didn’t and were moved on, but they were given the chance. That also allowed them to make more significant additions to the team every season rather than 8-10 “lesser” signings every window to pad out the squad. Some will make it some won’t, but we won’t know until they are given more of a chance.


24 Jul 2016 11:45:47
Sorry mate but that's a load of balls. You only ever find out how good players are when you give them a chance at top level football, none can be judged purely on academy performances.


24 Jul 2016 12:03:48
I didn't say scrap the accademies!
But from looking at how things are going this transfer window, I feel this is the way to now do business.
Our promising youth players who we see fit to make the next step up, but are risky to try at the club, will be sold to middle or lower clubs (and I say this with no disrespect to those clubs, and not living in the past thinking we are bigger) .
A few we feel will step up to our 1st team squad stay. And if they don't make it this season, we sell them next season. This way, they get a chance at 1st team football. And a chance to develop at a good rate.
Some may improve so much that we end up buying back. Some may move on to bigger clubs.
We all feel that eventually, we will just buy 2-3 players per transfer window, so then how many youth players do you think would get the chance to step up? Not many!
With respect to lower clubs, they do have the "space" for youth players, they do have the opportunity to play them, without being critised after a loss.


24 Jul 2016 12:50:02
I think what he is saying is, it would've risky to go into a full season with only unproven youth as back up. Sure blood them gradually, but it could prove to be an expensive mistake to do any more. If we use for eg, Randall as our only cover at rb (presuming we had no more players as recognised for that position) then clyne breaks his leg after the window shuts, Klopp would be called naive for not buying better cover. Although given the proper methods to grow, he could eventually shine, just maybe not by being thrown in at the deep end? Either way, the staff at the club no far more than any of us so why not just trust their judgement.


24 Jul 2016 13:14:20
I agree with Andy tbh. I'm not saying GW is going to be a fill the gap player. But if we did get injuries which is very likely because of the high intense football klopp wants us to play I would much rather see GW step in to player rather than have a relatively unproven young player in there. If the young players are good enough they will survive at the club and they will get their chances to in cup matches or games against lesser premier league teams. not fillings he gaps due to injuries or suspensions against teams we could possibly challenging for places. Although we have no Europe we still have 2 other cup competions to challenge in and bringing experienced players to build a squad IMO is just a key as bringing youth through.


24 Jul 2016 13:26:38
If the youngsters are not good enough, sell the lot and start again. If they show promise and potential and ability, give them a run of cup games and sub appearances to try and impress. I don't think it is any more complicated than that.


24 Jul 2016 13:56:17
can anyone give me a number how many young lads played for liverpool since klopp took over I think maybe 6 has played over 4 or 5 games so I don't know where constant argument about the youth is coming from have any off you who are constantly rattling on about the up and coming players stopped to think that klopp has been here 10 months now he's seen everyone train or play matches and might be thinking that there not good enough for first team football plus he's also inherited a 1st team squad that he thinks 6 or 7 of them will never fit his style of play so maybe he is adressing the first team before he gets to the youth set up correct me if I'm wrong he has already replaced the head of the academy and he's signed a 6 year contract so we may not start to see young lads make the step up for another two or three years.


23 Jul 2016 22:25:55
Multiple news outlets and Sly sports reporting we've accepted a bid of around £6 million for Brad Smith? Must be moving for Amavi soon. Ed001 any thoughts? He's never done badly when he's played but I've never been overly impressed so not sure how to feel.

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{Ed001's Note - he struggles defensively, but still lots of pace and an international full back, seems about right money these days.}

24 Jul 2016 11:12:20
Playing more regularly will help him, he's quite big for a full back, which will help defensively. I'm hoping we can agree a little buy back just in case though.


24 Jul 2016 01:37:10
Have I missed a beat or something? I know moreno was absolutely awful at certain times last year, but everyone is already displacing him with Chilwell as a starter at LB. As far as I can see this kid has never even played a game at Premier League level.

How does everyone know he is even good enough yet? What have I missed? or is just the standard, grass is always greener.

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24 Jul 2016 02:59:52
Think it's the fact he has been well scouted and comes highly recommended by klopps former assistant and God friend David Wagner whilst at Huddersfield on loan reports are good. don't think anyone knows slot about him but he's obviously decent.


24 Jul 2016 09:25:19
Or it could just be the fact that Moreno is dreadful at defending and a complete liability at full back?


24 Jul 2016 11:10:15
Took the words out my mouth wassa, anyone who can defend would be an improvement. If we do not replace him we will most definately be talking about the many brain farts he will have next season causing chances, penalties and goals for opposition teams.


24 Jul 2016 11:22:14
Moreno and Clyne are so solid and such quality that the full back positions are the strongest area in our team.

As a result, we've decided to get rid of their competition, Flano and Smith, because every time they're given a chance they end up doing something stupid like a crazy attempt at a crazy tackle in their own box. Or just get constantly caught massively out of position. Plus their delivery into the box is terrible. They are just defensive liabilities that are, at best, below average.

Oh, wait.


24 Jul 2016 00:08:12
I really can not wait for the new season!
I have no idea what the team is going to look like, but it's obviously going to be very different to last season. Bring it on I say!

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