Liverpool Banter Archive January 24 2017

24 Jan 2017 22:42:02
So Coutinho is about to sign a contract extension which will see his salary doubled to nearly 160k a week with no buy out clause.

Ed, in reality, does this really mean anything? If the right offer comes along from Barcelona or Psg then no doubt he will be on his way imo.

{Ed002's Note - Right.}

25 Jan 2017 00:42:32
Pip will stay with us as long as we get CL football, he is going nowhere so don't worry.

25 Jan 2017 07:24:35
Ed
Is this not similar approach we took with Suarez?
Upped contract, increased value, cashed in?

{Ed025's Note - as i see it agger the club wants couts to stay, but i suppose it has an element of an insurance policy just in case the worst happens and that seems logical to me mate..

25 Jan 2017 12:05:25
I can see him being turned if Barcelona call (as would almost any player) but let's hope he wants to stay. him and Firmino we awesome together.

26 Jan 2017 08:12:26
Did we "cash in" on Suarez or did we get rid of a player that had dragged the clubs name through the mud too many times?

24 Jan 2017 20:53:25
Ed02 you've said there is a chance of a deal for William carvalho, have we even approached sporting regarding this potential transfer? Thanks

{Ed002's Note - Read the posts.}

24 Jan 2017 21:33:43
I have read them, you've said there is chance but later said we've not talked to sporting regarding carvalho so what are you implying? Thanks

{Ed002's Note - It is perfectly clear - I am not aware that Liverpool has spoken to his club about him. They previously looked at the player. Why is this so difficult to understand?}

24 Jan 2017 21:50:05
well you said "there is a chance" implying that something is happening. Thanks for your time

{Ed002's Note - That doesn't imply any such thing.}

25 Jan 2017 00:11:33
It's quite simple, ed said
1) we have looked at him in the past
2) a deal would be possible i. e. they would entertain a bid if we paid the right price
3) but he's not aware we have spoken to them about this

This seems a red herring based on the fact we were in Lisbon to talk to them about Markovic and someone's added one plus one and gotten 3

25 Jan 2017 00:34:10
Better placed clubs have come in for him in the past and he didn't leave so I don`t think he'll leave now,

25 Jan 2017 01:35:21
this is why Edd often don't wanna disclose too much. when he disclose a little. people seem to complicate things up.

25 Jan 2017 16:06:25
There is a chance that I will winning the lotto Friday night. Not very likely but there is a chance🖒

24 Jan 2017 17:58:05
Hi eds is there any news on ...............

{Ed002's Note - Try the European page - this is the Liverpool page.}

24 Jan 2017 14:33:05
Emre Can has been stalling over a new contract and believes he's worth more than Liverpool are offering.

24 Jan 2017 14:52:37
He's entitled to do this, I don't think it should concern the fans too much.

24 Jan 2017 15:17:08
Doesn't every player think that and every player try to negotiate the best deal for themselves?

This is just called contract negotiation and happens every day.

24 Jan 2017 16:24:42
Thank god, we need to get rid of player's that keep giving the ball away.

24 Jan 2017 19:54:43
Timmy 10 touches. He will learn

24 Jan 2017 10:46:33
So what do we make of these William Carvalho rumours? Personally I can't quite believe this. Wrong position, powerful but not that quick.

24 Jan 2017 13:44:09
Until 002 says it, then, carvalho who?

24 Jan 2017 13:55:54
002 has confirmed we have interest and that we could strike a deal. However what she has not confirmed is whether or not we are actually trying to do that ;)

I am not a fan of Carvalho, but if Klopp is I will trust his superior judgement.

And Pearce is a con man pretending to be in the know. He hasn't actually been reliable since Brendan left as they had a special relationship.

{Ed002's Note - I have not said that - I have said that Liverpool has previously looked at the player but I am not aware of any talks with his club about him.}

24 Jan 2017 14:15:22
I know nothing if him he any good?

24 Jan 2017 15:20:04
wrong Carvalho

actually going for Ricardo to solve our defensive issues.

24 Jan 2017 20:03:35
ed002 its amazing how some people turn your words around, i know you never said it,

24 Jan 2017 21:20:38
He's in China now for his last payday, Agger.

24 Jan 2017 23:52:51
Mbrock, I have not put words into Ed002's mouth. I have simply repeated what had been written using slightly different terminology. Ie, we have shown an interest, and a deal could be possible if we made the effort, which we currently are not doing.

I rather think Ed002 misinterpreted what I wrote (but neither of us made a big deal of it because we're adults) and you are just trying to patronise me and start something that isn't there.

I did clearly point out that Ed002 had not yet confirmed we are trying to make a deal happen, only that it is plausible due to past interest. I've not turned any words even in the slightest. Honestly, grow up.

24 Jan 2017 12:39:25
Although there has been obvious interest in William carvalho, Liverpool are not bringing him in this transfer window

24 Jan 2017 10:46:33
So what do we make of these William Carvalho rumours? Personally I can't quite believe this. Wrong position, powerful but not that quick.

24 Jan 2017 12:05:14
He is a mixture of Kante and Matic. He is a bit slow. But brilliant on the ball. A hard tackler. I would assume Hendo might swap his position to play further up alongside this fellow. He is a good player.

24 Jan 2017 12:37:48
Makes sense to me to shore up the defence. Lucas, Can and Stewart would be nervous though

24 Jan 2017 12:40:03
No truth in it mate according to some guy called James Pearce.

24 Jan 2017 12:50:16
He will not join this window 100% although there has been interest in him, I doubt he would even be signed in the summer

24 Jan 2017 13:10:21
Wish we could get him in. much better than Emre and would mean Henderson could venture forward much more often with the knowledge his back is covered. I like Emre can but he's not quite there yet.
Fingers crossed but secretly know it ain't happening unfortunately

24 Jan 2017 13:50:17
What on earth has Can done to deserve so much hate amongst "supporters".

Do people not remember that he was played out of position for pretty much the entire first season he was with us? Shoehorned into CB by Rodgers, after suffering quite a serious injury a few months after arriving.

He then got another injury and missed 6 games of the following season and has already missed 8 games of this season. All of which without getting a regular run in the team.

And he's 23! 23 years old. Maybe, just maybe, William Carvalho is better right now. But he is also a year older, he has only been out through injury once in his entire career, and has been playing every single week in his favoured position in a league that will make the better players look incredible.

People need to get some perspective. Writing someone off at 23 with his injury history and him playing an entire season in the wrong position is just ludicrous.

I still believe that Emre can be a great player, and he needs the support of the fans, he obviously loves being at the club and whilst that is still the case he has a chance to make it. The fans turn on him and he may as well pack his bags because he'll hate being here before long.

24 Jan 2017 14:10:25
No hate Red dawn, But someone has to make space for a new midfielder and atm it looks like Can.

24 Jan 2017 14:20:54
Spot on red dawn

24 Jan 2017 14:23:08
Why does someone have to make space? Why do we need a new midfielder?

There may not have been hate per se, but look through this site in the last week or so and search the web for Emre Can, Liverpool "fans" all over are calling for his head and I just don't get it.

Why kick him out to make room for someone who is not necessarily any better for the cost of yet another £30million + extras. It's lunacy.

Let the kid play some football and support him, he ain't going to improve with the fans on his back.

Henderson was the same when he came, bit raw, bit of a headless chicken but he's one of the first names on the teamsheet for me now.

24 Jan 2017 14:53:23
We need someone who can seriously challenge our best midfield 3, and preferably one that can cover Hendo at the base of midfield, particularly with Stewart and Klopp still seemingly a bit off the pace yet.

Don't believe the Carvalho rumors but wouldn't be completely shocked if we were at least thinking about options, as it's a role the team will need filling in the summer when Lucas leaves.

24 Jan 2017 15:01:28
I'd replace him with someone with more quality, that's my only issue with him, he lacks technical ability.

24 Jan 2017 15:22:02
Why do we need a new midfielder? Because we want to be better than we currently are. Coaching can only take a player so far and if we want to improve we'll need to make signings. Can has struggled this season, it could be a bad run of form or it could be he's simply not as good as we thought he was. If it's the latter then we should look for an upgrade.

24 Jan 2017 15:54:09
So when we want to be better we have to buy someone from somewhere else? Who says Can can't be a great player? He's only really had one proper season if you discount his injuries and the season he spent out of position. And he's 23? If he was still in Germany or Italy he would be viewed as one for the future, still a youngster.

Sad state of affairs if we are advocating getting rid of a 23yr old full international for the World Cup winners and 3rd ranked team in the world, and spending millions on someone just as unproven.

Jeez, Liverpool used to make great players, not purchase them.

24 Jan 2017 15:54:09
So when we want to be better we have to buy someone from somewhere else? Who says Can can't be a great player? He's only really had one proper season if you discount his injuries and the season he spent out of position. And he's 23? If he was still in Germany or Italy he would be viewed as one for the future, still a youngster.

Sad state of affairs if we are advocating getting rid of a 23yr old full international for the World Cup winners and 3rd ranked team in the world, and spending millions on someone just as unproven.

Jeez, Liverpool used to make great players, not purchase them.

24 Jan 2017 16:33:30
I don't see the hate.

I see a player who is obviously struggling, and well off the pace.
In fact, he appears to be regressing, and making more and more mistakes each game.

I see a player who has not realized the potential he showed a few years ago, at Bayern.

Maybe he will come good, maybe not. None of us can predict the future. All I know is that right now, he is not at the level we need.

If it is due to lack of fitness, why is he starting?

Yes - Liverpool used to make great players. They also used to be ruthless with players who weren't good enough. Don't forget that part.

24 Jan 2017 17:29:06
Dawn, transfers are an intrinsic part of progress, so yes we do need to buy to improve. That's not to say it's Can that needs replacing but Klopp will buy at least 2 new first 11 players this summer and someone will make room for them. Seeing how Can is one of the players struggling right now then he's in danger, as are a number of first team players.

24 Jan 2017 18:45:27
I don't think any liverpool fan actually hates Emre can. he has his moments. Thought he did ok against man u for instance but I very much doubt he will grow into the footballer we'd like to see. Henderson for instance had a mediocre 1st season, lot of people slated him. But he's our captain and is a massive loss when injured or suspended. Could any liverpool fan say the same for Emre can really? I wouldn't sell him unless he wants to go but I certainly want a better option along side Henderson.

24 Jan 2017 09:39:49
question for ed001. Going by what you have seen so far into the season what areas do you think liverpool need to strengthen in the summer period? name some players youd like at liverpool. cheers

{Ed001's Note - sorry I don't have time at the moment.}

24 Jan 2017 13:41:55
I'll answer for fun!

I have been impressed by Gibson of Middlesborough, Sam McQueen of Saints and Antonio of West Ham.

All 3 would fill gaps in our squad at centre back, left back and wide forward.

24 Jan 2017 10:21:21
Morning all, ed's been reading a few reports this morning that we are in talks to sign William Carvalho, have you heard anything onthis or is it just bs? Cheers in advance.

{Ed002's Note - William Carvalho has been looked at by Liverpool so there is the chance that something can be done.}

24 Jan 2017 11:30:38
One for the summer I would imagine

24 Jan 2017 12:40:22
DaRedMan, the rumours are that we are in Portugal now to broker a deal this window. The source isn't great so doubt it myself but would be a good signing if we are interested and can pull it off.

24 Jan 2017 11:10:16
Are we currently working on trying to get a deal done Ed002?

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of anything happening at the moment.}

24 Jan 2017 08:36:32
Eds, could it be that Klopp has sent markovic to Hull to get a look at him in the premier league with a view of bringing him back into the fold if he is decent?

{Ed002's Note - No - Liverpool has ruined his career up to now and are continuing to pay through the nose for a player Klopp doesn't want.}

24 Jan 2017 12:01:50
thanks Eds002

24 Jan 2017 01:12:56
Disclaimer: I may be reading too much into this.

Was just wondering, with the reports out that Klopp says he's frustrated with the window (apparently because we are struggling to get our targets at a reasonable price), this is in direct contrast to what we've heard from the eds about not expecting any pieces coming in this window.

Has anything changed since then? Can't see a reason why Klopp would not be telling the truth here (unless he's trying to light a fire under a few of our players) .

Ed. anything imminent or in the works (with incomings) for this window?

Thanks!

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea which Ed told you not to expect anyone arriving in this window.}

24 Jan 2017 12:07:01
Klopp also said that the clubs don't want to sell in January.

24 Jan 2017 14:28:48
If I remember correctly, I think it was Ed 01 who said it.

{Ed001's Note - I didn't say we were not going to try mate, just that I didn't expect us to be able to bring anyone in. January is always a difficult window, unless one transfer kicks off a big merry go round.}

24 Jan 2017 17:51:56
Ok cheers. Thanks for clearing that up.

24 Jan 2017 21:27:18
I seem to remember how difficult it was to get Alex Texeira in from Chahktar last Jan. We went all in for him but they were asking for stupid money hence we pulled out. This explains why Klopp hates the Jan Window. Unless you are willing to break the bank (something we should not be doing), you won`t get players you actually need.

24 Jan 2017 00:23:28
Stevie is onto a winner here,

Jurgan has stated that he would like to be here around 7 years like BD and FCM. That gives Stevie 4 years to work his way up the ranks up until assistant manager in JK's last year. Exactly like zidane at Madrid. He can also do punditry on the side but learn management from the bottom up. He could be the manager of MK Dons right now but has chosen to work with the academy. What does that say about his passion for the club. Having him around can only be a good thing and I also think if he implements his ideas within the youth set up of the club, we will have a great future manager of LFC with a lot of home grown talent in the squad.

{Ed007's Note - I've just been a wee bit sick in my mouth reading that. Have you ever considered a career writing soap opera storylines or chick flicks?}