Liverpool Banter Archive September 23 2015

 

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23 Sep 2015 23:17:12
BTW - Aspas scored twice today against Barcelona in Vigo's amazing win. Baloteli scored yesterday for Milan. Sterling for City. Even Borini had the ball in the net yesterday though it was dissalowed. You set them free from us they start to find the goals.

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24 Sep 2015 00:26:09
They're all with decent managers now.

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24 Sep 2015 03:48:10
most likely all of them being played in their preferred positions too.

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24 Sep 2015 05:02:15
which clearly suggests there is something entirely wrong with the system we play. the ball hardly ever reached our strikers unless they drop deep.

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24 Sep 2015 06:29:08
Bloody nice finishes by Aspas as well. Notice he wasn't taking corners?

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24 Sep 2015 06:48:30
Akshit

We haven't bought a decent CM who could pick a pass to our strikers.

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24 Sep 2015 07:57:49
Sorry but Borini and Aspas are still not top 4 players. Taking isolated matches won't change that. Ballottelli had the skill of a top 4 player but just can't help himself.

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24 Sep 2015 08:23:52
Does your lunacy work in circles Harry?

In the summer it was central midfielders, then it was wingers, then it was formations, and then it was about how Benteke will never score goals unless you cross the ball to him and that it was pointless to play a diamond or a striker alongside Benteke, and now it back to midfielders.

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24 Sep 2015 08:24:59
fanobip:

Few things are more damaging or revealing about our club than your post.

No striker (or any player) in their right mind would want to join this setup.

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23 Sep 2015 22:56:32
Wel. Bournemouth it is.hardly a convincing game!! Something "seriously" wrong with the tactics for me.I've got a feeling the ax will fall after the Derby.

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23 Sep 2015 23:24:54
Great result tonight, the lads showed great spirit.

Villa next, we go again !!

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24 Sep 2015 03:32:59
Was that sarcasm?
Because I'm not even in a position to laugh.

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24 Sep 2015 03:34:50
I am unsure if you are trolling or being serious Ron, for real.

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24 Sep 2015 05:54:07
A penalty win at home with almost a full strength first team squad against a club 64 places and 3 divisions below you in the ladder, and with the worst defensive record in the 4th division (creating 2 clear chances, and having 2 senior first team players go of injured).

Nothing great about any of it.

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24 Sep 2015 07:20:06
Yeah sorry about that. I was goaded into that post by someone who I go to the matches with who also uses the site ( you know who you are 👀). I think it was "not even you can see any positives in that". 😄

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24 Sep 2015 08:37:30
The biggest problem is that NO ONE has any confidence for the weekend against villa. Unfortunately I can only see one result and that will be an away win. Some may say that's pessimistic I'd rather say its realistic. The issue has been going on for a long time and in my opinion Rodgers was always the wrong choice. He had a good season when sterling , sturridge and suarez pulled teams apart and just attacked for fun but we still couldn't defend properly. We had to score 6 at places like Cardiff just to get a result. The following season was no better until we saw a glimpse of light after Rodgers changed his formation to 3 at the back after we lost at OT but that fell apart after we lost at home to Utd later in the season and the performances in the last dozen games of last season were awful ending in the humiliation at Stoke at which point he should be sacked. We spend a fair chunk of money in the summer and when have we played well this season? First half at Arsenal??? but then nothing. Rodgers has had his chance but he's clearly not good enough and until changes are made I can't see anything positive coming from the current setup

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23 Sep 2015 15:50:56
Afternoon Eds and fellow Liverpool supporters {YNWA}, EdS with all the rumours about Brendan rogers Liverpool future position, if he were to be relieved of duties, in your opinion when will tis take place?

Thanks

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{Ed002's Note - I understand from Macca that Ancelotti has been talking with the club. I don't know the detail. I also can't predict who would take his place. Over the summer the club could have opted for change and settled everything for a while by taking Jorge Jesus for a couple of years - probably my choice. Now that option is not available. One needs to step back and be objective about change and not make it just for "the hell of it" or whatever - it is a big deal and initially disrupting. I see the craving for the "bootroom" approach as unfounded. I see the clamoring for Klopp as "without any sensible foundation". I see any change to simply appease the fans as potentially a "shot in the foot". I would have moved him on this past summer - as I have explained. Then there were options. Doing it now i way more risky; way less options exist.

Blitzed a little but there are a number of managers with growing or well respected reputations I can think of. Normally I would avoid naming names but given that for most of the rest of the day the posts will end up on the Other page, as a special treat I will. One real standout right now is Italian Roberto Stellone and another is German Roger Schmidt. In France, both Willy Sagnol and Olivier Echouafni have growing reputations. Although over the limit age wise, Philippe Montanier is gaining a lot of respect. Spain, the stand out attracting attention is Diego Simeone. In Russia there are people expecting Murat Yakin to move on. The Netherlands has the likes of De Boer and Phillip Cocu. Elsewhere Laudrup, Petrescu, Hutter and Martinez are well thought of.

My advice is listen to those who have a rational opinion - not the knee jerk reaction folk. There are Liverpool supporting Eds trying to buy sniper rifles on eBay. It won't work. It needs managing, and it needs managing well, I have told Ed001 that he needs to listen to someone older and much better looking - and have offered my services.}

23 Sep 2015 23:02:58
Lol got a genuine laugh at the last part. Ed001 your rebuttal?

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{Ed001's Note - how can I rebut the truth? Ed002 is much much older than myself.}

23 Sep 2015 23:12:27
i love when 002 is in a good mood =]

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24 Sep 2015 02:49:16
How about Favre? I hear he gets a good wrap for what he's done with Monchengladbach. Currently unemployed after quitting.

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24 Sep 2015 01:13:25
Love the sniper rifles comment, Ed!

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23 Sep 2015 23:29:41
Thanks ed 2 really interesting overview I had not heard about the Jorge Jesus approach.

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23 Sep 2015 23:56:24
So from all the descriptions i have gathered so far, the mysterious entity of ed002 is an american born english loving female chelsea supporter who travels an awful lot doing a rather secretive job linked to football and has an age of about 60?

And also ed002, isn't jorge jesus a bit crazy? Always heard about controversial issues with him when he was at benfica, it'd be moving from an incompetent tool to a spanish speaking jack nicholson.

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24 Sep 2015 00:26:17
Me too, thanks for your thoughts ed2.

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24 Sep 2015 02:35:00
Spot on, Ed! I will say that many fans have been patient with the owners only to find out that they were going to keep him when as you said, they should have cut bait and gotten someone in with a clean slate and new ideas. They chose to replace his assistants who have either brought nothing new or are being ignored. Mind blowing! As much as I like Ancelloti, he may want to wait till the summer. If he does and BR keeps screwing up, where does that leave us? There are not enuff options mid season hence, they should have fired him when they had the chance. As for Sagmol, he may b available in the summer because he is unwilling to sign a new contract. Just FYI.

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24 Sep 2015 05:47:24
Thanks for the reply Ed002. Objective is exactly what I would call you reply, man. To me, it looks like the players are not responding to Rodgers and they seem to lack ideas, and if that is the case, in his 4th season in charge, he needs to be let go of and a new direction found.

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23 Sep 2015 15:32:43
Ed002, I read in an earlier post you said that ancellotti wasn't the best fit but a decent one or similar wording. Obviosuly I've seen him manage Chelsea but not much elsewhere, does he have a specific style, or is he a manager that works with the players he has and plays to their strengths? Is he famed for strengthening the defence, fluid attacks or what? Any insight would be appreciated.

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{Ed002's Note - It is not so much a style thing but he has an ability to demand respect - people listen and don' screw around. They don't talk back, they don't cause issues. I really don't know how he does it. But a good guy, a great coach, not the most cheerful. key is that he doesn't fall out with players. Language may look to be an issue, but trust me it isn't. He adapts to clubs but critically does not often assume responsibility for transfers. This doesn't mean he would want to be working with the likes of Damien Comolli but he could certainly build a relationship with the major players in transfers at Liverpool. But, to some extent, there remains a paradigm shift for the club that would need to be taken account of. It is not how they have worked before - one way or another, if CA were to arrive, he or the club would need to adapt. At the end of the season I would worry less about this - part way through, my keys jangle.

A great question Fencey. And I must now recount a story from (I think 1980) when I was sent to England (for one reason or another) and attended the CBS end of year year show to find Flo and Eddie playing a parody of Pink Floyd's "The Wall". It was called "The Fence" and suspect it was named after you.}

24 Sep 2015 02:40:15
He coached at PSG and though he won the title, there was constant bickering in the background. At RM though, he was greatly loved by the players, takes the blame for poor perfs, a true leader and gentleman. RM players and many fans were gutted (and still are) to see him go. But like Ed said, I would want him in the summer so he can have a clean slate to work with.

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24 Sep 2015 08:32:53
If Milan and Real Madrid are any guide, CA certainly knows how to get the best out of big name players.

But how is he with youngsters? Could he turn them into LFC starters?

Because we will not be competing in the transfer market with Chelsea, PSG or Real anytime soon.

So "fit" does seem to be an issue.

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23 Sep 2015 23:30:00
Great reply ed, but that was a bit early for me unless the predicted my arrival.

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24 Sep 2015 00:35:21
Two great posts in a row ed02, i now understand your misgivings but what if the alternative is that we wait and continue to freefall and end up finacially adrift through failing to get back into champions league again.

And one of you eds possibly commiting hari kari because of having to deal with editing this site while the fans go onto meltdown.

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24 Sep 2015 05:49:36
Looks like someone had a fun night yesterday (wink wink Ed002)

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23 Sep 2015 22:43:30
Well done to:

Bogdan - 3 full length saves in a pen shoot out.

Lallana & Ings - Good goal.

Everything else about tonight was really, really poor.

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23 Sep 2015 22:58:51
Just show you how much we got worse compared to last year. Last year we also won on penalties at this stage at home but at least it was a championship side not League 2 and I think we scored something like 15 consecutive penalties in the shootout. Today we missed 2 out of the first 5.

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23 Sep 2015 22:59:30
I said last week about us being a relegation risk with this guy in charge. I stand by that.

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24 Sep 2015 02:43:55
That game was a defeat, IMO. We struggled vs a 4th tier team all the way to penalties and in the eyes of the neutrals, Carlisle were the winners. BR will ruin this club if he is left at his guise.

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23 Sep 2015 22:43:30
Everything else aside, well done bogdan

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23 Sep 2015 23:55:43
How on earth can the owners continue with this clueless manager ?

Do they throw money down the drain for fun? Are they completely lost about running a successful football club?

Oh yes, I forgot. Carlisle are a great team and we were at home


Seriously, there is no command structure. Too many square pegs in round holes.

Buy a player.
Loan him out.
Buy a player.
Loan him out.

FSG must have very deep pockets?

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23 Sep 2015 22:33:42
Ed's I bet tonight will set records for the amount of hate filled posts are attempted to get through your filters.

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{Ed001's Note - *sigh* that's just from me!}

23 Sep 2015 22:20:52
Eds, Rodgers to be side for the moment. I get its all him, but what about our new coaching team?
No defence of Rodgers, but these guys are also the ones who train and drill our players.
Rodgers may go but doubt these guys will also just disappear. Are they good enough? Is it a whole back room change that's required and I'm well aware that's just happened

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23 Sep 2015 22:35:28
Rodgers is the constant, he selects the team, this god awful 5 at the back formation and motivates the players.

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23 Sep 2015 22:48:05
They are of no help at all based on what we are seeing. Only FSG can tell you why they changed the back room Yes men and leave the final decision maker in charge.

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24 Sep 2015 14:49:53
Rodgers is The manager ,has had three and a half years and spent 300 mil. The coaching team have had 3 months ,7 games and earn a fraction of what BR does. Who would you assume is the more accountable of the two!?

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23 Sep 2015 21:58:08
We can play as many men in defence as we like but whilst there's no communication we'll continue to leak goals. We sacrifice a much needed midfield or attackin position to accomodate an extra man to protect skrtel and lovren and its ridiculous if no one talks to each other.

We've had so long to solve this issue and yet they constantly look like its the first time they've all played as a defensive unit.

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23 Sep 2015 22:24:44
Its all skrtel, always has been. Many believe he is good 'because he's hard.' Give me a defender likecarragher or terry who can actually read the game and command players rather than run out of position like a lunatic.

Lovren may be bad but to be honest if had come to a foreign country and had been partnered with martin skrtel i wouldn't exactly feel confident either.

Its no coincidence that lovren and sakho always play decent together and they both speak french.

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23 Sep 2015 22:50:02
A defender who needs to be babysat by other defenders to the detriment of the team's overall balance is evidence of a poor defender and a clueless manager. If Skrtel is that good, why does he need to be in daycare?

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23 Sep 2015 22:52:02
If Lovren is so good, why doesn't he organise the defence. Why is it always Skirtle's fault that there is no organisation at the back. If Skirtle's positional awareness is poor then I would expect Lovren to organise him like Caragher did

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23 Sep 2015 22:52:06
Seriously - after watching this game you really think our problem is the defence? How many shots on goal did we have tonight? Maybe Million and two. How many times our players got the ball quite freely on the verge of the box and shot it at the highest seating fan in the stadium. How many easy passes from 2 yards we gave straight to the opposition? If Levandovsky had played for us today he would score 27 goals. Jordan Ibe - goodness me - I didn't see the guy receiving the ball and not losing it straight away once since around las April.What happened to Coutinho for God sake he lost every milimeter of confidence he had. Milner, God help us, did he ever in his career have a shot towards goal not straight at the keeper? Did he ever do anything creative? But no. Skertl is our problem. When did we last score from a corner or set piece? 2002? Thank God Mings didn't play today as people would say he is the reason we don't score.

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23 Sep 2015 23:00:00
When have lovren and sakho played together?

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23 Sep 2015 23:13:42
Fanobip yes i agree scoring is a very real issue. But we conceded a goal again due to our defence being a disaster, and we sacrificed a man from further up the field to try consolidate our defence against their one striker. They never should have scored against us but for a complete breakdown in defence and had that not happened we would have won 1-0. So it is a ligitimate talking point that skrtel and lovren are at fault and that its very much a consistant for them.

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24 Sep 2015 02:45:57
Lovren and Sahko played together vs a Spurs last season where we won by three goals and a clean sheet. Feel better?

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24 Sep 2015 03:04:33
Snabi only time I can remember off top of my head was the 3-0 vs Tottenham last season before the rest of the season came crashing down. They looked good together.

Fanodip I think it does all begin with defence, losing a midfielder to bolster the CBs has a massive impact. I do believe 3 at the back can be effective in certain situations but being forced to play it because we're shipping goals otherwise is not a strategy, it's papering over cracks. The rest of the team has enough talent to score but not the strategy or the confidence, just needs a reboot. look how all of recent strikers are faring since leaving for greener pastures, clearly it's a coaching problem not a personnel problem.

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23 Sep 2015 20:51:36
Non existent midfield against Carlisle!
hardly any bright points aside from Danny Ings looks hungry to become a good player for us and does have quality in and around the area, with service he could become a great forward for us,
The rest including the welsh xavi you can keep

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23 Sep 2015 20:59:50
Picking on Joe Allen when it's his first game back after a reasonably long time out injured and he'll clearly be struggling for match fitness.

Are you that desperate to have a whinge that you've totally lost your perspective and patience? Pretty pathetic if you ask me.

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23 Sep 2015 21:32:47
Injury or not he should be able to get on the ball a bit

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23 Sep 2015 21:38:00
If he's not fit enough or ready enough against bottom division standard teams then what's the use, I havnt lost my perspective I've been watching for 30 years plus and this is mind numbing, i'm not a fan of mediocrity i'm a fan of winning

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23 Sep 2015 21:45:39
If he's clearlyrics lacking match fitness then why is he being picked

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23 Sep 2015 21:45:54
I am really struggling to find what's Milner actually on the field? Could the Ed or anyone enlighten me?

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23 Sep 2015 21:46:20
If he's not fit enough or ready to play in the first team he shouldn't be playing.

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23 Sep 2015 21:56:09
Allen didn't ask to be called the Welsh Xavi, nor did he have any say in how much the club paid for him, so get off his back

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23 Sep 2015 21:57:37
Sturridge didn't seems to have a problem at the weekend, this is Carlisle.

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23 Sep 2015 21:58:50
Tbh, I think I'd rather see Allen play central midfield than Milner at this stage. He's not great, but at least he's got some bit of nous about how he plays rather than just relying purely on the power of running like Milner does.

Actually that's one of our problems, central midfielders who rely just on running around to try and be effective. Milner and Can don't seem to be able to position themselves, pick their passes, pick their runs etc. all that well, and just rely on pure athleticism to cover it over. But it's not enough, neither of them have really been effective. Can at least he's got the excuse of being relatively inexperienced and has spend most of his Liverpool career at center back. He might improve with experience and proper coaching, but Milner's just out of position and should be playing on the wing.

Allen has a bit more nous than those two but he's too easily bullied, and in three years here, he's never put a run of performances together. So that leaves Lucas and Henderson who actually play the game intelligently, usually leaving us disjointed in midfield when one or both of them is injured or dropped. As has been the case for the entire season apart from about 20 minutes against Arsenal.

I think it's time to give Rossiter or Chirivella a run of games and see do they go about their business with more nous.

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23 Sep 2015 22:08:15
I mean he got in ahead of rossiter or chiravella who deserve more game time,especially after the bordeaux match,this is a league 2 side. people would complain that it would be too much of a step down for him if he went on loan there. If joe Allen can't come in and do a job against this team he's simply not good enough

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23 Sep 2015 22:14:54
And before anyone says "Can's playing at CB. Get glasses", I meant in general this season, not just tonight.

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23 Sep 2015 22:32:34
If you've been watching matches for 30 years then you'll know a few things:

To get match fit you need to actually play matches and therefore it's not about who you're playing against.

Controlling a midfield is difficult when your defence is as deep as ours.

Watching the game tonight there have been far worse performances, so think picking on Joe Allen unnecessary. I appreciate there's normally a scape goat to vent frustration at, but he's not the problem.

nobody wants mediocrity but are you genuinely suggesting that aside from ings the starting XI isn't good enough? Do you not think the problems stem from the style of play or lack there of? And that is the fault of the manager.

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{Ed001's Note - actually the match fit thing doesn't really apply any more. Players are no longer in need of games to get fit, but they do need to recover their sharpness and shake off the rust.}

23 Sep 2015 22:53:03
EG like we both and others have said here, Milner was not what we needed and the proof is there for all to see. Notice that those saying he was a great signing are no longer coming to his defence. You don't replace a blegend with a backup. There's a reason he was a backup to begin with.

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23 Sep 2015 22:15:24
In three years Allen has done nothing to suggest he's a decent midfielder. Too lightweight and no ability on the ball, I hope Rodgers takes him when he goes.

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24 Sep 2015 02:42:09
I like Milner and think he is a very good player. you can't tell me that for some strange reason rodgers seem to make all players that should gleam struggle!
Personally i think coutinho isn't half the player some of you give him credit for being.

he has some good games and some extremely wasteful ones. Problem there seems to be that rodgers has instructed everyone to pass him the ball, which is having the knock on effect of allowing him to presume he should run with it or shoot from 30 yards far too much of the time

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23 Sep 2015 20:41:23
Man we are poor! If we go out to Carlisle then it had to be lights out for BR. Ofcourse, that statement had been made many time and he is still the manager, so who knows.

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23 Sep 2015 20:38:14
Wath the game on firstrowsports.

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23 Sep 2015 20:23:00
Iago Aspas looks quality. Should sign him up!! Lol

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23 Sep 2015 20:50:56
Most players that have left the helm of Rodgers have seemed better than they were for us. I always thought Aspas deserved an actual shot as the central striker instead of playing on the wing, but Rodgers loves to tinker with player positions and then blame them when things go wrong.

Not saying Aspas is a world beater or anything, but what could Borini/Origi do that Aspas couldn't?

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23 Sep 2015 21:00:50
Borini hardly got a chance either. along with Alberto, Ilori, Markovic & Lambert. Only what, nearly ÂŁ50m of purchases?

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23 Sep 2015 21:12:30
TJ, you just explained BR to a tee.

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23 Sep 2015 21:34:24
Always will remember watching him against barca he season before we signed him and he was outstanding, was so excited when we signed him ahha

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23 Sep 2015 21:43:31
Borini had chances and didn't take them! Lambert was never going to be more than a backup

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23 Sep 2015 22:00:11
TJ, so who are these other players apart from Aspas who have done better once they have left. It would be interesting to know

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23 Sep 2015 22:54:41
Markovic has started brightly though it is too early to tell. Sterling is doing well for city. Hell even balotelli was getting plaudits last night. Jonjonjo is doing better. What young player has been brought in and improved? I cringe every time I see Jordon Ibe come on; and I don't know where to blame him or the manager, because I know he is played out of position but the game just stops when he gets the ball. Teixeira is wasting his career away rotting in our reserves. Firmino had been one of the better performers in Europe prior to his arrival, now he can't get a 90 minute game and has only had one decent performance.

Maybe I should have worded it differently; what player have we signed or that has been a part of Rodgers' squads that improved? Sterling was always going to improve, Coutinho is good and he's smashing in screamers on occasion now, but other than that, how much has he improved since arrival?

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23 Sep 2015 22:52:44
Talking about loan signings,Luis Alberto is still producing in his cameos,Sahin has once again started looking like the player who showed promise,Downing EASILY played better at WHU,connor coady has been showing what he can do at Wolves,the forgotten man Assaidi has been performing well according to reports (though I haven't seen him play personally)Shelvey has progressed much further since leaving.

When they were getting games at their clubs Kelly looked good (pardew doesn't fancy him for some reason) and Wisdom played well for WBA before Pulis took over.

All I would say have progressed their careers moving on all going on loan with the likelihood of being sold in the case of wisdom and Alberto

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{Ed001's Note - I am pretty sure Kelly played at the weekend mate.}

24 Sep 2015 08:22:26
Yes Ed001 he did,but it was because Ward has been out injured I think as Ward started the 1st 4 but according to physio room isn't expected back till mid October.

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{Ed001's Note - I don't understand Pardew though, he does obsess over some truly dreadful players that he will pick constantly. Joel Ward is one of them. Utterly average on his best days, yet he gets picked every week when fit.}

24 Sep 2015 10:25:18
You're praching to the choir with this one mate,100% agreed. What's you take on Pardew overall,I'm not sure where I'm at with him,he goes through spells where seemingly his teams look tough to break down and play decent footy,then they stagnate and drop off. He seems to be able to galvanize players for a year or so. Is it because he's a manager that emphasises on geeing players up or that his tactics are found out? I've never really paid close enough attention to Newcastle to really assess it myself. I know he walks the line with his pitch side antics too,headbutting players etc.

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23 Sep 2015 20:02:43
watch the game on the EPLsite, i'm watching it now

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23 Sep 2015 20:42:54
Allowing Carlisle a goal is good enough for me taxi for rodgers an close the gate.

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23 Sep 2015 20:01:44
Aside from the manager discussions to a certain degree. We know we are not scoring goals and also defensively inept right?
Well something last season and this season I have noticed is how we are being almost dominated by possession and constantly playing a counter attack. Do you think this is the tactic that is failing us or is it we are playing poorly and easy to dominate?
The reason I ask is BR when he arrived from Swansea was very much a retain possession and if you lose it get it back in 3 seconds (something like that) type of manager. That did not happen in last or this season.
An open question and correct me if I am wrong.

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23 Sep 2015 19:48:09
Rodgers and LFC will part ways by mutual consent soon. I have it on good authority that the man to replace Rodgers will be none other than LUCIEN FAVRE. Buck up Reds. Light at the end of the tunnel at long last!!!

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23 Sep 2015 20:43:56
A guy who walks out on his team when the going gets tough, so a quitter is your definition of light at the end of the tunnel

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23 Sep 2015 20:44:46
Rogers won't go unless he gets a payoff

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23 Sep 2015 20:49:38
I have it on good authority it won't be him

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23 Sep 2015 19:33:19
3 at the back at home to Carlisle??? And no youths given a chance?someones scared to lose tonight.

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23 Sep 2015 19:44:05
That said, he is playing Milner and Allen. Lots of running and. well. not a lot else.

Id have loved to have seen Texieria (spelling) get a run out.

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23 Sep 2015 19:23:13
Home to Carlisle and still only one recognised striker on the pitch for us, beggars believe, talking about sending Origi out on loan to gain experience and yet tonight he is on the bench, unbelievable

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23 Sep 2015 16:02:14
Ed001 or Ed002 who ever is the most available, I asked yesterday about whether the possibility of an interim manager would be looked at, should points continue to be dropped and managers in mind aren't currently available.

Should this happen, is it likely we'll look to someone within LFC already, such as Gary Mac or Sean O'Driscoll? More importantly would they be ready to take over?

Thanks.

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{Ed001's Note - I would expect it would be only them for a game or two at most. The idea is not to go with a caretaker like that again in case they worked out too well.}

23 Sep 2015 18:42:11
For those that missed Macca's 2 recent posts and want to know what they were.

Macca's 1st Post:
I believe that there have been talks with one manager who is on a sabbatical, early stages i know, and it isn't Klopp.

Macca's 2nd Post
Sorry all, it's difficult for me to really come out and mention names, but it shouldn't take a lot to work out who i am talking about..

He used to work in Spain at one of the biggest clubs...

But let me just say this, i only know this as he has held meetings with the club, there maybe others but this is the only one i can comment on.

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23 Sep 2015 20:29:30
Thanks ed your a star mate

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23 Sep 2015 22:02:23
Thanks Ed, and Macca too. Really can't say enough how awesome this site is. ;)

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23 Sep 2015 18:07:40
edds or anyone else got any decent web sites for watching the game tonight cheers.

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{Ed023's Note - I usually use vipbox, usa goals or first row sports}

23 Sep 2015 18:47:57
Ronaldo 07

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23 Sep 2015 18:01:53
If and when a new manager comes in will there be reviews about the players we are trying to get rid of or the ones that are on loan?
Illori, Balotelli, Markovic, Luis Alberto
Or is it too late fortl the likes of Balotelli and Alberto?

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23 Sep 2015 18:59:04
Balotelli and Alberto are probably finished as Liverpool players. I won't shed any tears.

Illori is effectively an Aston Villa player as soon as they decide they want to pay the agreed fee. And even they don't, he can't be anything else other than alienated by the club and I'd be hard pressed to see him being prepared to stay.

Markovic will hopefully get a chance.

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23 Sep 2015 18:01:29
We are all frustrated with brendan rodgers and with good reason. The football under his management has been poor. We have at no point been defensively sound. Failure in the transfer market and bizarre team selections.

All this being said I find it ridiculous that fans are hoping for a loss so he gets the boot! I don't understand how a fan can hope we lose, I have never entered a game hoping for anything other than a win and a good performance.

My hope (unlikely) is that performances/results pick up, we make top 4, we have a good run in all 4 competions and we win a trophy and he proves us all wrong. If we don't improve he will be sacked he already is under immense pressure after 6 games. So there is no point in hoping for a loss. If results don't pick up he will be sacked and we will bring another manager and hopefully he can the results.

Come on lads good result today! Home firmino, rossiter and ings get game time!

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23 Sep 2015 18:30:41
I must admit I'm one of those that hope for a loss.

I know it's not good wishing your team looses but this has gone on for far to long were just stagnant.

A couple of ok ish results and Rodgers gets a little longer to keep us bobbleing along.

Rodgers is not all of a sudden going to pull the rabbit out off the hat and we move along like a steam train.

If losing our next 3 games means Rodgers goes then I'm all for it.

Sorry

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23 Sep 2015 18:39:09
That is the problem with tbe club today. Even after spending over 300 million pounds over the course of three seasons we are still content with a nice little top 4 finish. Brendan may get us that(highly unlikely) but he WILL NEVER take us higher than that. Time for him to go

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23 Sep 2015 19:57:38
LAVERS, As far as I am concerned you are a disgrace if you want us to lose ANY game.As a true fan I want us to win EVERY game that we play irrespective of who the manager is. When I was a child I might have thought like you but when I grew up I supported my club unconditionally

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23 Sep 2015 21:22:06
To be fair, if someone said if we lose tonight Rodgers is gone and if we win he will keep his job till January it would be a tough one. If we keep Rodgers till January we will likely lose more games than if we replaced him now with Carlo for example. So it's like a case of gangrene, do you cut off your toes and stop the rot now or wait until you lose your leg?

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23 Sep 2015 21:59:59
Red since 64

The team is playing horribly, they lack ideas and can't even break down Carlisle.

Rodgers is only dragging us further back and there's nothing he can do to stop it.

So if loosing tonight means Rodgers goes and we still have a chance to save our season then so be it.

It pains me to watch us play and see how shite we are so sometimes you need to sacrifice things to get to be where you want to be.

P.S I hope when I'm older I'm just like you a real true fan

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23 Sep 2015 17:35:49
Anyone know how Benteke's scan went?

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{Ed002's Note - It was a low humming sound lasting around 4 seconds.}

23 Sep 2015 18:03:51
Hmmmmmm.

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23 Sep 2015 19:06:45
4 seconds !!

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23 Sep 2015 20:19:38
Benteke had a scan,,, it revealed that Sturridge needed knee surgery

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23 Sep 2015 17:07:58
Going to be a interesting night😡 either way, win lose or draw some squirming going to be going on. BR be in his applecart all eyes on him. Macca's rumour could be the straw to break the camels back. Wouldn't of watched the game due to recent performances but I won't miss this for the world.

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23 Sep 2015 17:40:52
I hope we win and no injuries , I get the feeling that some people would like us to lose and that's a shame , while Rogers has the job I will support him and the club . I will admit that sometimes he has me baffled and confused but I wish him all the best , support your club through bad times and hopefully good times .

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23 Sep 2015 18:00:43
Yes we've been pretty bad this season but we're playin a 4th tier team. This shouldn't be a problem even with our poor form. If we somehow manage to lose then its worse than anyone thought but really this match shouldn't cause an issue. But also it shouldn't be used to judge Rodgers,if we win its not a big success or taking any pressure off him. We should be winning this game regardless. Its the league matches that are inportant and beating Carlisle should not be treated as a big victory or a change of fortune.

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23 Sep 2015 19:45:33
Regardless of what`s going on, I would ALWAYS want my team to win. I BR is to be fired, it will be for his overall body of work and nothing more. Support the team, no matter what!

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22 Sep 2015 21:50:56
This short cartoon about FSG, Brendan and Klopp made me chuckle.

Klopp to the Kop

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23 Sep 2015 07:00:33
Thanks to Macca for bringing some hope to all LFC fans at last.

Even the most conservative fans have realized that Brendan Rodgers is out of his depth.

He thinks he is too good for his own good.

But we all enjoyed 2nd place finish and more the way we played during that season. And then last season's run between Dec and March.

Hope he learns from this outing and doesn't open his loose mouth during interviews with these words: "Outstanding", "Character", "Excellent".

It felt as if he is abusing the words.

More than the defeats, playing out of the positions, rubbish tactics, the worse part was his post match conference.

He will always be remembered for this.

Many of us have been very soft and supportive of him most of the times but the time is now up for Brendan.

Wish he learns from this costly experience and has a good career elsewhere.

Cheers

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23 Sep 2015 16:01:06
A bit early to summarise mate. No disrespect to Macca but can be a long way from his comment to BR going. Even in his worse years the team had some good spells and although I am confident in the long run we will not do much, we may win few in a row now before we go down again. so probably not before Xmas.

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23 Sep 2015 16:04:11
You forgot the word 'great intensity'

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23 Sep 2015 16:56:41
That's two mate.

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23 Sep 2015 17:10:52
An outstanding, excellent post Sami, full of character (and great intensity).

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23 Sep 2015 02:08:09
Not sure if anyone can confirm or deny this but have you heard the rumours that once the new manager is in place, that Rodgers will be given an ambassadorial role with Tans-R-Us, Ashley Madison and Colgate?

I think this is a good move for him and plays to his areas of strength.

Understand that it's just rumours so can be hard for anyone to give a definitive answer.

Cheers

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23 Sep 2015 15:16:00
With edd 2 now saying Gary Neville will be taking over at liverpool surly Brendans time is up.
I really don't want him to be the new manager i'd say stick with Brendan.
Does anyone really want a former Man utd player being in charge. Hope he sticks to the tv work which i think he is decent at

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23 Sep 2015 15:35:19
ack surely someones winding you up?

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23 Sep 2015 14:07:58
Can someone answer this question:

If BR was close to the chop in the summer, then why was he given a fortune to spend? And now it looks like we are about to sack him after five games. Doesn't make sense to me. Mike Gordon should probably be sacked too.

Ings looks like a gem. Has lookes likely to score every time he plays.

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23 Sep 2015 14:19:43
Well if you're going to back the manager then you may as well back him 100% and provide him the funds he needs.

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23 Sep 2015 14:45:48
Time is a the biggest resource that BR has exploited, the money is secondary.

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23 Sep 2015 14:51:15
Redhands

We have a transfer committee in place so it doesn't really matter who the manager is.

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23 Sep 2015 14:01:45
Ed1 / Benny Get a Podcast with Ed 2 asap please entitled ED2's best put downs! he / She is immense and is making this site more enjoyable by the day! lol i'm not sure Ed 2 would agree it being enjoyable but we love it!

Keep up the good work Ed2 get a podcast soon! lol

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{Ed002's Note - I will do some podcasts when I have the time.]

23 Sep 2015 15:19:52
Thanks end 2 can't wait to hear it lol

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23 Sep 2015 16:57:12
I was thinking that to benny the mystery could be dispelled by the podcast but it be worth it listenin to ed 2 put the world to rights in her / his awesome way lol

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23 Sep 2015 08:05:04
Excellent by Macca, Looks like, got it bang on. Papers reporting Liverpool FC in talk with Carlo.

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23 Sep 2015 14:38:08
Or , and its more likely the paper reports had their source from here. Macca never said its Carlo, everyone here assumed Carlo and so did the papers

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23 Sep 2015 15:05:47
I didn't

Its Roy Evans, he was asked recently if he would come back and help out to which he replied "yes".

then next thing we are in discussions with a manager who is on a sabbatical - Roy has been for ages!!

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23 Sep 2015 18:05:10
To be fair if maccas right other people will have heard the news too so may just be reporting it, just not as quick as macca!

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23 Sep 2015 13:14:21
Hey Ed1 or Ed2

I know you have absolutely no idea about it yet, but could you perhaps take a reasoned stab at why Liverpool would be talking to Ancelotti so soon in the season, and so soon after a review that gave Rodgers backing?

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{Ed002's Note - You need to direct that at Macca.}

23 Sep 2015 13:28:48
He's virtually never around!

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23 Sep 2015 14:03:51
This is the place to be!

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23 Sep 2015 14:21:36
Poirot can find him

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23 Sep 2015 12:57:35
Eds, is it possible to have your personal views ....................

Bryan

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{Ed002's Note - Sorry Bryan but we really don't want to get in to that sort of thing and gossip on here.}

23 Sep 2015 16:27:13
Hi Ed2, sure and my apologies. It was never meant to be gossip or starting gossip, I've no interest in that. Apologies for any confusion.

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{Ed002's Note - Man I realise that - just an area we don't want to dip our collective pen. Appreciate you are taking a broad-based view point and it may not be out of the question that another coach uses intrusion in to such things for stepping back at the end of this season.}

23 Sep 2015 12:52:20
away from all this hullabaloo about managers, i just have to say that Danny Ings has done well when he has come on, and remind me of Craig Bellamy in his style.

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23 Sep 2015 14:01:46
No chance, Bellammy had pace and that was his leathal weapon. Ings reminds me of old fashioned typical CF.

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23 Sep 2015 14:25:19
Bellamy had more than just pace.

A very underrated player and a miss understood guy.

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23 Sep 2015 16:51:47
I was just thinking that Ings looks a similar player to Bellamy in his style of play - aggressive, directive, shoots at first glance, but with a little less pace. And I swear I was going to use that word "hullabaloo" too in my post!

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23 Sep 2015 12:08:29
Macca,

Can you comment more on the Manager situation please?

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23 Sep 2015 12:32:59
Why should he comment when you already sided with ed002, just believe him and that's all. one thing is for sure, Macca doesn't need to create stories or be an itk? he is exclusive to lfc, and most of his infos are spot on.

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23 Sep 2015 12:41:39
No Tooka. There sibt any sides. i'm trying to decide for what's happening that's all but thanks for your input.

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23 Sep 2015 12:50:25
I believe he has made his comment, it's best to accept he has told us what he deems appropriate and digest it.

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23 Sep 2015 11:06:15
Hi Eds, it strikes me that most of the players we've tried to attract to our club in recent seasons are under the age of 25 and its 25 years since we won the league. So although we have an amazing history and heritage I wonder what it means to many of these young men. To attract very top players to the North West instead of London (where many of the wags seem to want to be) takes either very high wages (and we are competing with Man City & Man Utd), playing in CL, or a magnet personality such as an elite manager and/or star player and we don't have either. Just off the top of my head Sanchez, Willian, Mikytaren, Salah, Kovacic, Kroos, have all been targeted by the club and have all chosen other destinations. If FSG do pull the plug on BR's reign and bring in Ancelotti or another name then where does this leave Mike Gordon as time should have been called over the summer. Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - You need to search on those names - then you will have a better idea why most didn't sign.}

23 Sep 2015 13:30:21
Not sure I want the club hiring a bunch of 50yr olds either though. won't have much pace in attack.

On a more serious note I think the most effective way to make the most of our history in the transfer market is to use it to sign a top top manager who still respects it and wants to replicate it. The players will then want to play for the manager even if they don't know much about Liverpool at first.

Hence why I think Klopp or Acelloti would be perfect, or someone else with enough pull to swing younger players into signing for us over someone else. BR is losing that rapidly as talented players lose their shine after playing with him for a while (or others leave to flourish elsewhere).

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23 Sep 2015 15:19:17
Zimbo, and who exactly has left and flourished elsewhere. In the last 10 years I can only thing of maybe 4 or 5 and most of them left before Rogers became manager

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23 Sep 2015 10:20:17
Liverpool have officially denied the rumours. I don't believe them.

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23 Sep 2015 10:38:30
Seriously, telling people like James Pearce the rumour isn't true can mean anything. If they're talking to Ancelotti, do you really think they'd want all these big rumours flying about while the manager is still in charge?

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23 Sep 2015 10:20:14
The club have apparantly denied the Ancelotti thing now Ed002?

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{Ed002's Note - You will have to take it up with Macca - as I have said I know nothing of it and explained that I was surprised that the club have met with Ancelotti as Macca said. There is nothing I can add.}

23 Sep 2015 11:09:47
What do you expect them to say?

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23 Sep 2015 11:14:10
@LFC site before the sacking of Kenny "we have complete fate in Kenny" later on they sacked him. upteen examples to believe that there is something concret in what Macca has said. For instance Suarez is not for sale, Sterling is not for sale etc. so let's wait, time will tell.

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23 Sep 2015 11:19:19
Macca won't comment if we ask him. Its been said before that he doesn't always read the posts on here. He very rarely is on he from what i can see. Just wish there was a way of us knowing the truth. i'm siding towards ed002 and doubt we have made contact.

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23 Sep 2015 12:38:14
I don't doubt we've made contact, I just doubt that we are in the end game scenario yet. I would imagine the contact is still "informal"

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23 Sep 2015 13:11:05
Informal or not it's bloody good news, puts to bed a theory that FSG are '100%' behind Rodgers.

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23 Sep 2015 13:37:13
They would be crazy not to be putting a plan B into place, whether that's for now, December or never, it's clear that if results don't improve, BR's position will be untenable. They would be better served by having an alternative for a swift transition in place and anything less would be bad management IMO.

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23 Sep 2015 09:58:01
Macca's rumour is already getting attention from the media.

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23 Sep 2015 10:20:14
All this talk of Ancelotti. . wasn't there another big name likely to be available. the mighty Capello. I'll get my coat !

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23 Sep 2015 12:17:39
I'm agreeing dod, you should get your coat after that :)

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23 Sep 2015 09:26:29
Reading through these recent posts about Ancelotti and such to be the potential replacement, just wanted to see your thoughts eds, on who would be the best man to replace Rodgers if he's sacked? I read that you think Ancelotti would be not the best option, but not the worst, so was just curious as to who you think would be better to suit us then?
Cheers

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{Ed002's Note - If the club are talking to Ancelotti I would not want to get in to that right now Rob.}

23 Sep 2015 09:23:56
Hi Eds,

Can you please tell me if Liverpool ever tried to get Delli Alli from MK Dons before he went to Spurs?
He looks a proper talent!

Cheers
Willie

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool remained very keen on Dele Alli right up until the move to Spurs.}

23 Sep 2015 12:09:52
Do you know why Liverpool didn't try to sign him once they knew of Spurs bid or did he prefer them?

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23 Sep 2015 12:40:09
The next Liverpool manager. .he will have the same problems as BR,he'll have to sell our best players and replace them with many youngsters and senior players who are not 1st choice options, sadly whilst City and Chelsea have billionaire owners we can't compete. Without being based in the capital we can't attract.
The suggested names for future managers are Klopp - had similar problems as we have regarding competing against cash rich clubs, had a few decent seasons but was forced to sell his best players and last season had a dreadful first half season when they were in a relegation battle for a while, don't think he would do anything dissimilar to Rodgers.
Ancelotti - at the most he would last 2 years, he would probably state it's a 3 year plan by which time he would be almost 60, he's not the best for introducing young players, unless he works with a young (preferably ex scouse ) player alongside him I would be against this too.
Unfortunately due to our financial constraints and Northwest base whoever takes over from BR eventually will suffer the same fate .
Let's just support the current manager whilst he's here.

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has billionaire owners - and owners who have committed vast amounts of money to the club. It is a pity there are still a lot of fans like you who don't see it.}

23 Sep 2015 08:28:35
Just the fact that has been leaked out ( Macca's rumour) is enough to lift the gloom. You can sense the relief on here already😎 like kids in December awaiting Santa 's arrival. Got to say from my own point of view that this is the best thing FSG have done since taking over. Think leaving BR in charge will cause more damage than Roy or the threat of liquidation ever could. Just hope the next man has experience of a managing a massive club with the level of expectation befitting us? Let's not forget WE ARE LIVERPOOL

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23 Sep 2015 08:36:03
More importantly let's hope for a win tonight.

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23 Sep 2015 08:48:54
Not being funny mighty but u epitomise the new breed of lfc fan, we should not be hoping for anything against Carlisle but expect to win. That is how far brendan has taken us, hoping to beat Carlisle in the league cup.

As for anchelloti, i will believe it when i see it, i am not convinced at all.

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23 Sep 2015 13:04:17
John that has nothing to do with the new LFC fan. We all in a sense expect to win, but the match has to be played for a reason. I haven't been following football that long in comparison to many posters, but it is no different than many other sports. Anyone can win on any given day, which is why we love watching it. So yes, we should still be hoping to win. Especially given recent form.

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23 Sep 2015 17:31:03
Like i said new breed of fan, we are a prem side that should expect to beat carlisle. Whether that happens or not is a different matter altogether. I do not hope we beat them i expect is to, but we have fallen so far that we are hoping to beat teams in divisions below us. what's next, hope we beat acrington stanley because on their day they can beat anyone. Oh dear.

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23 Sep 2015 07:00:33
Thanks to Macca for bringing some hope to all LFC fans at last.

Even the most conservative fans have realized that Brendan Rodgers is out of his depth.

He thinks he is tooo good for his own good.

But we all enjoyed 2rd place finish and more the way we played during that season. And then last season's run between Dec and March.

Hope he learns from this outing and doesn't open his loose mouth during interviews with these words: "Outstanding", "Character", "Excellent".

It felt as if he is abusing the words.

More than the defeats, playing out of the positions, shitty tactics, the worse part was his post match conference.

He will always be remembered for this.

Many of us have been very soft and supportive of him most of the times but the time is now up for Brendan.

Wish he learns from this costly experience and has a good career elsewhere.

Cheers

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23 Sep 2015 02:06:00
It's definitely time for a new manager. How on earth is anyone at this football club allowing rodgers another game in charge. People are saying well maybe a few more games and let's just see, let's see the next few home games over, them see, more time . Noooo! He hasn't got a clue. Not a clue what players to play, where to play them and what to do. After last season's disastrous ending of the season did anyone think that Rodgers was going to change and have a fresh new looking liverpool. No. we are the complete same, 4 seasons in, 200m + spent, we are still short of players in certain possisions, no one knows what our starting line up is or formation and the players don't even know where they will be played. Rodgers is the only one at anfield that would pick the teams he does, and they don't work, all the pundits are shaking their heads when they see the tactics he comes up with lately. We are all hoping for something to change and it's not going to happen. We all knew we needed a better keeper. Why did we not get one. We all knew we needed a star in the middle of the pitch to replace Gerrard and to work with Henderson. Mateo Kovačić would of been fantastic, or give can or Rossiter the nod but no we go with milner. We needed to replace sterling as we lost our pacey winger. A Yevhen Konoplyanka kind of player maybe. No we spend big money on firmino another number 10 when we have coutinho and lallana already. Now we lack pace. And lastly a forward that will score us 20 + goals as we can't rely on sturridge all season. Did we get one. no we got big Ben and Ings which are good options and will be great to play with that star forward but they are not that player that will bang 20+
So have we improved . We only needed 4 players but we didn't get one. And that's all down to the manager. If he couldn't see that in the summer then I'm sorry he is never going to see it. And still even against Norwich we played 5 players out of possision and 3 different formations. It's a joke. I love the club and I'm worried that with roders picking stupid line ups and players out of position we won't win our next few home games in the league and if we don't we will be sitting around religation. Then it's too late. Just save us now.

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23 Sep 2015 06:30:29
We are still late. All those positions / players would still need to be addressed under a new manager and the club will have to fork more money / debt.
We need a world class KEEPER
We need a world class CM.
We would need a good winger.

Yes!

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23 Sep 2015 06:42:11
Great post. Hit the nail on the head 100%. Rodgers is clueless, lost and completely out of his depth. He's a good sales man, he talked his way into the job, he talks players into believing in him, and he talked his way into saving his job. He has tremendous club love for the club? No he doesn't he wants the sack, but hasn't the Backbone to walk out.

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23 Sep 2015 08:04:21
Agree with a lot of this but Milner is a world apart from Can and Rossiter in terms of experience in the dressing room and replacing Gerrard. He'll be a great addition to the team with time.

Also Firmino still makes a lot of sense for me if you view him as being able to play upfront as a second striker, on the wing or replace Coutinho if injured or needs a rest. pity he's not being used that way. Would love to have seen him getting a run upfront alongside Benteke and linking with Coutinho like he does for Brazil.

In short, I don't think recruitment this season is a problem, with perhaps exception of the lack of a leader at DM or a replacement goalkeeper. This compares to last season which was a disaster.

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23 Sep 2015 13:14:42
I do agree milner is a great asset to have in the squad and in the dressing room, he has a lot of experience. But every top team needs a star in the middle of the park. We've had this for the last decade with Gerrard. A player that can win games and has that star quality. We all saw last season how much we missed this and should of replaced Gerrard last year. I don't think milner has this star quality. Will be a great team player but not the man to replace a Gerrard. I dint think he's right

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23 Sep 2015 14:02:23
I agree zimbo that milner is a great asset to the squad and in the dressing room and brings us experience. But every top Club needs a star in the heart of that midfield. We've been lucky to have Gerrard be that man for us over the last 10 years, would win us games and pull things out the bag when needed. We all saw last season what we were like with out a player like that. We should of have a replacement for Gerrard the season before but didn't. I don't think milner is that man that can fill that gap and 'star quality' we lack and I also don't think he's the right fit to play along side Henderson each week. There were better options in my opinion in that centre role.
Firmino is a great player, again most teams would be lucky to have him. I agree his most effective possion is behind the front man or the number 10 role. I have to disagree with playing him out wide, that's not to his strengths and we should have other options for that. My issue is that we do not have unlimited funds and the money he cost us could of been spent in other needed areas. It's a lot of money for a replacement for coutinho. Especially when we already have lallana and teix. With sturridge back I'm guessing he will partner big Ben so I can't see us fitting him in if coutinho is fit. Again mate that's Rogers fault. He bought another good player but isn't needed, can't really fit him in unless like you said play him out of possision on the wing maybe, but then not get the best out of him, and lose his confidence. If he needed a winger we should of bought one not another number 10 and hope for the best. The thing is rodgers sees players available and thinks yes il get him, he looks good and hopes they will work in other possisions. The old saying square pegs for round holes. But he does this week in. He Plays so many players out of possision. he's Playing can everywhere, right back, centre back, everywhere but is box to box role. Ings was on the wing the other week. what was that all about? After 4 years he still to this day is buying players we don't need or that doesn't fill the gaps needed and plays these players in stupid formations and out of possision. I feel sorry for the players as rodgers is leading them out each week with no clue what to do or where to play from one game to another. This will not change till a replacement is found as this is now rodgers way. And it doesn't work but he's not going to change.

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