Liverpool Banter Archive October 23 2011
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23 Oct 2011 23:48:31
We were very unlucky yesterday, we can't keep on missing chances. But I have to admit, we are playing some of the best football, i've seen for some time. I know we should be winning these games, but look at the bigger picture. We all know we need a natural finisher, but the football we are playing at the momment is lovely to watch.
I'm more than happy with our progress thus far, still more work to do, we our not the finished article yet.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
Blair
Great post mate.
You were so unlucky yesterday I could cry, and those chances, my stars!
I agree you are playing the best football for some time, you remind me of Brazil, I mean Andy Carroll and Pele, are they the same person?
As far as looking at the "bigger picture" is concerned, well 3 home draws and 2 away defeats in 9 games is absolutely fantastic for Liverpool, kudos!. You do need a natural finisher, I mean what does 35m get you these days?
Liverpool are indeed very lovely to watch, and we are all so happy with the "progress". More work to do I also agree, and "not the finished article"...you better believe it baby!
I hope you appreciate how supportive I am of your opinions in my hour of need!
Respectfully Yours
Sir Alex x..Premier League Champions
When did Liverpool last let in six?
It's so hard to know how to retort to Sir Alex x. His name suggests he follows the second best team in Manchester who were dominated at Anfield before turning in an abysmal showing against their more accomplished neighbours. But, it has also been suggested that he follows the third best team on Merseyside who have won nothing in God knows how many years and currently are 13th in the PL and recently lost 2-0 to LFC.
Both teams have played some appallingly ugly football this year which kind of negates his anti-LFC rant.
Then again, he could be Norwich supporter in which case he deserves a little pat on the head and a gold star and told to be on his way.
cozinoz
Cheers Alex mate, I know you'll always have my back. Good result for your boys today at Craven Cottage. I think that puts you up to 13th? Not bad considering, your usually rock bottom this time every year.
Yours respectfully
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
Sir Alex
As much as we want you and your great opinions on this page regularly. I think it's best you remain on the Manchester page as they will need all the support they can get (now they ain't top dogs in manchester no more)
I know it's difficult but I am prepared to make the sacrifice.
P.S let me know when u change your name to sir Mancini
LFC 2929
OI, NO NAME
You asked: When did Liverpool last let in six?
I ask: When did liverpool last win the league? Sucka
cozinoz
I am not anti-LFC, I love LFC, as you are the self proclaimed best supporters..example...according to you Norwich supporters deserve "a little pat on the head and a gold star and told to be on their (his) way". This is typical Liverpool. Like your club, you are not very gracious to smaller clubs and their right to do well are you darling? I just point out your opinions!
Getting a second wind now!
Sir Alex x
Blair (John Henry Agent)
I will always have your back agent Mayne. Your positive views on Liverpool, irrespective of their crapola, will please the owner as always. I will continue to support your brain washing of the masses! Your NESV bonus is in the post.
I'm looking forward to Saturday (Everton v United) as I can swing both ways..so to speak nudge, nudge!
LFC 2929
The Manchester page has far too much thoughtful, intelligent debate (other than the contributions of Liverpool nerks of course). Your need for my superior input is far greater than theirs, but thanks for your worthless post ;)
Please appreciate I've had a bad day, so I'm being extra nice to you all tonight because I need to be loved!
Sir Alex x
23 Oct 2011 23:46:44
It's literally been the same story for years, we create chance after chance and don't put them away. I don't know when of how it will change. Please learn from our past mistakes and fix this kenny, I'm sick of walking out of anfield after a poor result and the fans saying well at least we created lots of chances.
Get used to it.
23 Oct 2011 22:47:28
Ed, I know that you said that we wouldn't sign anyone 'big' in January, unless we had some serious injuries or someone left. But, due to our lack of finishing can you see us trying to sign a decent striker or will it be just something we work on hugely in training?
Cheers
ToonRed {Ed001's Note - I think it might well happen, but only if the right player is available, that can be difficult in January.}
You've said about Luuk de jong ed. I was wondering, is he a target for the summer or january? Cheers
KiwiRed {Ed001's Note - I believe it was a summer target, but I have a feeling that the move might be brought forward to January now.}
Sweet! Love him. Great player, every time I see him he impresses more and more. I would still love to see Carroll being given more of a crack beczuse everytime I see him play he is improving. (Slowly), but he is improving and I do see the potential for him to be banging them in for fun. Sorry for the lengthy post, would love to hear any of the eds views on this.
KiwiRed {Ed002's Note - There is certainly interest in Luuk De Jong from Liverpool, but he is getting admiring glances from both Lille and Newcastle as well.}
23 Oct 2011 22:36:22
Id love see some of the following happen this year and before the start of next.
1-Integrate Coates into the squad. As has been pointed out, Carragher is flat too old and slow now. Coates has the ability to be a top defender but he has to be allowed to play to move into that direction.
2-Play Kelly at CB more often. A back 4 of Johnson-Kelly-Coates-Enrique could be excellent. Good speed, good on the ball. Im not saying that should be our starting lineup this week but I think that group together could be great long term.
3-Play a 3 man centermidfield of Lucas, Henderson and Gerrard. Henderson is better suited to the center and with his youth, speed and athleticism he can provide a burst of energy there that is missing now. Lucas is an anchorman. Gerrard is getting older and Adam isn't dynamic. Playing the 3 centermids I suggest I think gives us the best mix between defense, creativity and energy.
4-Sign Luuk De Jong in January. We should be able to do this without breaking the bank. Play him on the right of a 3 man attack with Suarez in the middle and Downing or Bellamy wide left (depending on the opponent).
5-In the summer just admit the mistake of Carroll and sell him for the best we can get. John Henry understands that mistakes happen, he understands sunk costs. Carroll more and more appears to be a sunk cost. Just sell him, take the loss and move on.
6-Two key signings, a young creative midfielder to eventually take Gerrards place and a versatile attacking player to put up front with Suarez and De Jong. If we make Champs League that will open up our options. Id love Christian Erikson as the midfielder and a player in the vein of Gotze, Hazard, Munain.
Basically Id love to by February or March of this year see the following lineup:
-----------------------Reina-------------------------
Johnson--------Kelly-------------Coates-------Enrique
-----------------------Lucas-------------------------
---------------Gerrard---------Henderson-------------
----De Jong------------------------------Downing----
-----------------------Suarez------------------------
I don't think Coates is that quick. It's easy for people to criticise Carra and talk up Coates, when the latter is not in the firing line. He's not going to make mistakes, is he?
No, I don't believe Coates is that quick but Im guessing he is quicker than Carragher at this point. Also Kelly is very quick, and would be especially quick for a centerback. You pair a fast guy like Kelly with a big physical guy like Coates, both of whom are good on the ball and that could be a great pairing. {Ed009's Note - Coates has a fair bit of pace on him, which is surprising for someone so tall.}
Exactly Ed. Im not trying to bash Carragher, but here is the thing. Hes not a top player any longer. By the time the team is back to being a legit title contender he won't be here anymore. Between Agger, Coates and Kelly those are guys who may be here and may be key cogs when that time comes. Its about getting our best guys on the field. Right this minute Id say both Johnson and Kelly are better players than Carragher, so find a way to play them both. As for right now Id play Agger and Kelly at centerback with Johnson out wide. Have Coates brought slowly into the squad, but he needs to get out there eventually.
Ok. I maybe wrong about the pace Coates. I'm glad I am, if it's true. It's just something I never noticed. I will agree about Kelly, though; I can see him playing centre half. And the back 4 were too deep yesterday, whether that's down to just Carra or not, I don't know.
Being a team that dominates possession you need to have a back 4 that can play the ball. Everyone is saying that our loss yesterday was just some combo of bad luck and bad finishing. And certainly that was an issue. But also we didn't exactly dominate possession. At home against a team like Norwich we should have more than 55% possession. We should be up over 60%, with ease. Part of that is having an old man in Carragher back there and someone like Sktrl who isn't exactly great on the ball. Kelly is good on the ball, Agger is good on the ball, Coates is good on the ball. We have these 3 guys and yet we play Carragher and Skrtl? We still try too many long, hopeful passes up the pitch and making changes at the back would be one way to help this.
I would go with this back four:
Kelly Coates Agger Enrique
Agger is by far our best defender and Carra is getting to slow and is a risk to the team too often. Kelly is brilliant at right-back and deserves his place in the team over Johnson.
maka
Play
johnson, kelly, coates, enrique
dm agger
gerrard lucas
de jong downing
suarez.
23 Oct 2011 22:49:08
so according to my source the stadium issue will be out soon,nd things are looking good.
rafa4eva
23 Oct 2011 22:32:17
Love the optimism on here. Fact is we couldn't beat Norwich City at home. That should have been 3 points bagged. Tottenham already leapfrogged (with game in hand) and Arsenal right behind us and Van Persie on fire.
I forsee a 6th place finish again.
I realize the negativity I am about to receive because of this post, but the statements are true and I really think we will finish 6th this year.
It is true we are stronger than last year. Unfortunately, the gap between us and the good teams was huge last year, and is still significant at present.
Jonjo
Awww jonjo stop crying. We pummelled Norwich and played some great football. We were better than Manu. We are gelling as a team and about to go on a winning streak and will end up in the top 4. We have a great team. End of.
Why are some people on here so negative about liverpool. just because tottenham go above us doesnt mean the world is coming to an end. u and the others who are contantly being negative about liverpool if they make one mistake need to understand no one is going to win every game. let me just remind u man u lost 6 1 earlier.
red fanatic
23 Oct 2011 22:30:38
kuuyt was infuriating and wasteful yesterday.
dalglish's substitutions were baffling....bellamy off for henderson, kuuyt off for agger. carroll only given 10 mins.
gerrard was anonymous mostly and should've gone off instead of bellamy.
why did we buy deadball specialist charlie adam if we don't use him in dead-ball situations?
agger and coates have got to be better than carragher and skirtel or, at least, tried more.
was kelly injured or suspended ? if neither, why did the useless glen johnson start.....he'll be out for 6 weeks soon and we'll resort to flanno or kelly anyway.
we created so many chances (again) that it was painfully apparent we need carroll to start scoring.....or just to start! suarez was unlucky not to bag a couple but he needs to stop his cheating and diving antics.
if i sound negative then i'm sorry but i spend a large proportion of my wages following liverpool (so much that i can't afford a decent keyboard with "caps lock" working)
anyhoo......watched citeh demolish unahted today and it's obvious that money speaks volumes but to compete we need to beat norwich and sunderland at home and get points at stoke and spurs. same old problems, different season. our squad is deffo good enough but we're dropping vital points against lesser teams.......and we should've hammered utd. last week. kenny's a hero etc. but i sometimes question his choices. he seems to delight in going against the obvious when it comes to team-selection....carroll, suarez, bellamy and downing could've started yesterday with kuuyt on the bench. gerrard isn't the player he was (fit or not) and henderson should've replaced him on the hour.
our best squad (in my opinion) is;
gk.....reina (doni)
rb.....kelly / flannagan (johnson)
rcb...coates / carragher
lcb...agger / skirtel
lb.....enrique / robinson (aurelio)
dm...lucas / spearing / coady
cm...gerrard / henderson (adam, coady)
lcm..adam
rcm..henderson
lm....downing / aurelio / bellamy
rm....johnson / downing / kuuyt
am...suarez, gerrard, lucas, bellamy
fwd/st....carroll, suarez, kuuyt, bellamy
any signings in jan should focus on reinforcing the defensive midfield position and maybe a right-back.
i'm all for buying british but sometimes you have to cast the net wider and dm is an important position....replacing hamman is key to our progress.
glen johnson is a right midfielder / winger and not a defender.
lucas is a bench-warming central/attacking midfielder despite what his fans say.
we really need to replace hamman, gerrard,carragher and hyppia. and we need to splash out on quality or lose suarez.
anfieldpete
We replaced Hamann with players like Alonso and Mascherano. Players come, players go.
D 2308
We still didn't replace berger!
23 Oct 2011 22:20:02
I seem to remember Rafa wanting Aguero Silva and Milner.....
And Vidic, Alves, Barry and Simao
With the money we have now Rafa would have bought some fantastic players.
maka
P.S. Don't forget Villa..
And Morientes, Keane and Nunez
And aquilani
MIKEY
Jovatic, mata, cazorla
23 Oct 2011 22:12:28
Eds, have you seen much of Rasmus Elm? I think he is definately one to watch.
I watched him a lot,hes good but not the standard we are looking for or need!
23 Oct 2011 21:47:08
Did anyone see Steven Fry in The Arkles with the Norwich fans after the match ?
He was steaming, carried out on wobbly legs. Lol.
The Real KB
23 Oct 2011 21:29:44
I think we all need to realise that are actual first 11 have hardly played together and it does take time and I know we should be beating Norwich but at least we were creating the chances and at parts were unplayable but couldn't finish. We need to support are team as I think everyone below City are pretty even. Let's look forward to wedensday and progress in the cup.
It could be worse imagine getting beat 6-1 at home! Nice to see the mancs have took it like men and came on the site, just goes to show they can talk trash but can't take it back.
Jft96
Andy LFC
We going out the cup man!
Fact is kenny needed to buy a finisher and he didnt,we got andy carrol,just like kuyt hes secound touch is a tackle!we need a new rush/fowler/owen/torres if they get a chance more times than not its a goal!
N'gog was a finisher
He should still be a liverpool(ngog) i find him annoying but he trys to better himself everygame,was quick and look at his game to goal ratio(maybe you can help there eds) think it will be surprisingly good!
Ngog could not have played as part of the pass and move system we are now adopting, ball control was awful!, much worse than Kuyt, at least when he messes up he works his arse off to correct it!, Cannot believe how backwards people are being.
SideShowBob
Pass and move, shoot....miss.
Kuyt cant pass,shoot or ghost past player,his second touch is a tackle,its like as soon as kuyt is on the pitch the other team has the advantage,we should have sold him when we had the chance
23 Oct 2011 21:12:04
I am fed up of the Eds and certain quarters of our fans sayin that it takes times to gel and time to get a decent team together. Yes it does take a certain amount of time but this doesnt explain why carroll, johnson, carragher, downing etc are underperforming. It is not the 1980s anymore where we are afforded 5 or 6 years to assemble a winning team, it is 2011 and whilst we are having "time" to gel and get it right the likes of man city, arsenal, chelsea, spurs, man utd will heavily invest and leave us behind.
Carroll is not good enough, he does not have enough passion and we have to alter our entire gameplay to get the best out of him...he was a panic buy and it shows. Carragher needs to be replaced aswel. His lack of pace means again we have to alter the way we play and sit deeper than kk would like to. This widens the gap between our midfield and defence causing constant problems for us as evident in the past few games...if carragher wasnt scouser he would've been out the team long ago.
I am also fed up of fans being slated for airing their opinion that certain players are not good enough, why do we have to be so politically correct all the time? Carroll aint good enough, carragher needs to go, spearing aint good enough and kk is not the man to take us forward and I said this before he was appointed. He is tactically inept and his record in the transfer market is abysmal. For every brilliant signing he has made in his managerial career he has made 10 shocking ones.
You can all slate me and continue to live in your eternal optimism but i guarantee you in 6 months time you will all be on here calling for big changes. I am fully behind Liverpool but I have to be honest in my assessment of the situation. Eds before you reply to this please understand i am just being honest and entitled to my opinion and if you are being honest with yourself you will probably agree with most of that I have written.
Leo Idaho
I agree with some of what you say. I think the team made a miscalculation in terms of some of the players we signed. Also we have to understand that some of the players we signed are "bridge guys". Designed to help us back to the top 4, but probably not expected to be on the team when we hopefully truly compete for the league.
For instance, I don't think anyone thinks Adam is a great player. But he was a player desperate to come here who could help us now. I think the same can be said about Downing. Guys like Henderson and Coates are long term signings, who may not be great now but should be mainstays in the future.
I do think we made mistakes in the type of players we signed though. Bringing in a true #9 like Carroll and a pure winger like Downing were mistakes. Our goal should have been to play a 4-3-3 with the 3 forwards all being versatile and interchangeable. For instance in my view in a perfect world we'd sign 2 players like De Jong, Hazard, Munian. Put the 2 of them up front with Luis and give them all alot of creative freedom to swap positions and move all over the pitch.
OK mate, I'll take you at your word.
Kenny has signed - Luis Suarez, Ian Rush, Peter Beardsley, John Barnes, Ray houghton, Glen Hysen, Nigel Spackman, Jamie Redknapp, Steve McMahon...I could go on. Look at his record mate, before you post crud.
The Real KB
Lad just please tell me you don't go the match!
Kieran
No need to get defensive KB. Yes the players you have listed are fantastic but I did say for every one good signing there are 10 shocking ones...i can list them if you want or woud you rather I spare you the embarrassment?
Leo Idaho
That's not defensive, that's a fact. I've named 9. You name 90 then...
The Real KB
Leo - so if you reckon there is 10-bad players for every 1-good signing made by Dalglish then by my reckoning you need to name 90 bad signings as The Real KB just named 9-good signings. Good luck with that.
JRG
Okay I hold my hands up, I have obviously exaggerated my claims slightly but only to hit home my point...clearly KK hasnt even made 90 signings let only bad ones.
I dont want to get into a silly debate with you KB I am an avid Liverpool supporter and only want the best for our team. Its just that some of Kennys signings at Celtic, Blackburn, Liverpool (1985-1991) and especially Newcastle were absolutely atrocious. My worry is that he has made the same mistakes again with Carroll, Henderson, Adam etc.
I am going to throw something out there and id like everyones honest opinion: I dont think the owners trust KK and thats why they made sure an experienced quality coach in Steve Clarke was bought in to oversee the coaching and Commoli was brought in to oversee all the signings. I reckon the pressure to appoint KK was so emphatic that the owners didnt really have a choice but to appoint him. I dont believe for one second that if there was no pressure from fans that they would have appointed him in the first place.
Sorry forgot to sign above post
and spelling error:* let alone bad ones *
Leo Idaho
Didn't he sign Dietmar Hamman for Newcastle too, glad he did, we bought him after and he was brilliant for us.
Why can't you hack people saying they have to gel, if I had even 1 new starter at my company they would take time to learn how we do things, people come from other companies with their own methods and we have to use some of their knowledge but for our company to run as it does they generally have to adapt to our working methods. I don;t see how it is any different for a football club, the money involved makes no difference, the style of play can be completely different to what you were instictively used to, moving to a new city and integrating your family into a new life all have an effect on you.
23 Oct 2011 21:10:27
can someone please tell me why coates isnt starting?? he played a great game against rangers and looks to be just what were missing at centre back.....what you think ed?? {Ed002's Note - He is young, adapting to a new country, having to learn the language, having to deal with a new culture and probably not ready for the rigors of the EPL just yet.}
It is a crazy f**ked up world we live in when you are good enough to take on Messi, Aguero et al, but not Grant Holt.
Ash
So eds,should suarez still be on the bench?
The flaw with the above post is that Saurez moved from Nacional to Gronigen and then later to Ajax meaning that he developed his skills at 3 clubs including 2 in Holland where he adapted to the European game and culture. Coates moved straight from Nacional(where he has played since his pre-teens) to Liverpool a club with such big expectations on the players to perform that one bad game could see him labelled as a flop, it would be wrong of Dalglish to throw him in too early hence the reason he played against Tottenham where the blame would automatically be on Adam who was sent off and any defensive mistakes could be attributed to us being a man down.
RustyNigel
23 Oct 2011 21:06:56
I travelled from Ireland to Liverpool for yesterdays match, and yes i'm upset by the result as is my young son who went with me, but for performance we were both happy, yes things didn't go our way, but all in all we should have won comfortably. Kenny is bringing us forward, have faith and patience, these things don't happen overnight. We just need to be more clinical in front of goal and get rid of the negativity of previous regimes that's been instilled in some of the players, especially when we are in front and for some reason can't hold on to a lead. But when we concede, we start to play again.
YNWA JFT96. Ali.
23 Oct 2011 20:55:47
I think De Jong would be a great signing. A versatile attacking player who can fill multiple roles.
He could partner with Suarez up front in a 4-4-2.
He could play wide right in a 4-3-3 with Suarez as central striker
He could play behind Suarez in a 4-2-3-1.
He could play on the right with Suarez in the hole behind Carroll in a 4-2-3-1.
Is there another De Jong? Are we talking about the Citeh one?
The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - Yes, Luuk; not Nigel.}
Phew! I thought another poster had lost the plot there Ed, when he said De Jong could play up front with Suarez.
Ps Ed02, were you happy with Chelsea's determination today? I thought they were amazing in the second half with 8 outfield players.
The Irish Rover
I bet you've only ever seen him play on youtube
23 Oct 2011 20:50:35
Yesterday was disappointing, but we're doing ok. We've got a good bank of players....but a lot of them are only squad players. What we're really lacking is a clinical finisher like Aguero and a talented playmaker like Silva....but obviously we don't have unlimited money. We either need to fast track through the talented kids (Coady, Suso, Sterling, etc) or hope we get Champions League this year and invest another £60million or so into the team.
Reina
Kelly - Coates - Agger - Enrique
Gerrard - Lucas
Eriksen
Hazard - Van Wolfswinkel - Suarez
-Shane.
Gerrard isn't fast enough anymore. He should be fazed out like Giggs on Man U. Anyone watching the Norwich City game could see that. I still think he will be important for a few years, but he is clearly not the Gerrard of a few years ago.
I was at the match see every one that I can , but we have to admit , the way things are going , its going to be 5th or 6th at best this season , we should be looking to really improve the side for next season , and learn from this one , to many things going wrong , not being negative , just calling a spade a spade .redforever .
23 Oct 2011 20:48:40
Ed001,
On that Football Manager 2012 malarkey, how long do you get before the fans start calling for your head and then the Chairman gives you the dreaded "full support" ?
More than 9 x games ?
Lol. And that's a serious question.
The Real KB {Ed009's Note - If you're good you never get that call ;).}
It was a serious question Ed cos I bet it's a ******* sight longer than todays Prem.
Can't believe some people on Kenny's back.
The Real KB {Ed009's Note - Yeah but there will always be idiots. Just ignore them, judge him at Christmas.}
I think on those football manager games it's more like when your mum tells you it's bed time ; )
JRG
Lol !
The Real KB
Hi Ed - I am surprised you are saying judge Kenny at Christmas - it took Fergie 6-years to build a winning team at United and during that time they finished 11th twice and 13th. I would say it is much harder now. With the improvements we are seeing in performance I think he needs the time to build his own team. Let's not forget that he inherited half this team.
JRG
JRG,
I think ed009 was being ironic mate.
The Real KB
Argh thanks Real KB - I never really get irony. It's like that Alanis Morissette song - is it me or is nothing in it ironic but more like coincidence? The only ironic thing about the song is that nothing in it is ironic.
JRG
Yes if u see the potential then keep at it, if there is only tripe, make the change. Kenny is making basic errors imo. Team selection, tactics, subs etc.
23 Oct 2011 20:37:20
I have read some rubbish written on these pages after a bad result, mainly not signed, but I think the last 24-hours have been epic. "sack Kenny and bring back Rafa" - "Kenny is too old" and "we need a creative mid-fielder like Nasri or Silva" is just some of the ridiculous comments.
Surely everyone can see that the performances compared to 12-months ago have increased dramatically? We are now playing some of the most eye-catching, dynamic and fast-flowing attacking football I can remember for at least the last 15-years. We absolutely battered Norwich yesterday but were let down by either bad luck, poor finishing or great goal-keeping. Those complaining about the substitutions and tactics must see that our two best chances in the second half came at the end from Suarez and Carroll? Our problem at home so far this season has been individual errors - Flannagan against Sunderland - Skrtel against United and Reina against Norwich. In all those games apart from the second half against Sunderland the team performance has been superb. I can understand the people who complain about the dropped points as it doesn't seem fair that from the last two performances we have only gained two points but if we continue to play like we did against Norwich for the rest of the season we will win a lot more than we lose.
As for the people asking for Kenny to be sacked and replaced with Rafa - you all have very short memories. I will always appreciate what Rafa done for this club but I wouldn't want to return to that negative style of play again - It was almost unbearable to watch at times. In Rafa's best league season at Liverpool in 2008 we had goalless draws at home to Stoke, Fulham and West Ham as well as a score draw against Hull and that was with arguably the greatest Liverpool team for the past 20-years.
JRG
We do need a mobile, ball retaining player with patentice and creativity like Nasri or Silva as we go through periods of wasting possession, giving the ball away needlessly.
I think every team in the Premier League would want a player like Silva or Nasri but unfortunately Man City have a monopoly on these players. People seem to think there is someone in the French or Spanish leagues that fit this description perfectly and will only cost us a few million and are desperate to join Liverpool and have no interest in Champions league football.
I would also say that with the amount of chances we have created in the last two games a creative mid-fielder is not a priority but someone on the end of them to put them away is.
JRG
If we want to challenge we will need both!
Do u really think we were so great in the Norwich game? I think if they attacked more they could have won easily! Our defense is carp and we were still playing hoofball. I think u guys support Kenny more than the club in all honesty.
Yes I think we were that good - and if we were playing 'hoofball' how come we had 75% of the possession at one point in the second half?
JRG
Reading these posts it is obvious that a sizeable number of people would like us to have a Nasri or Silva but the problem is that City have the monopoly. This is true but let's not forget that we had plenty of time to sign Silva and/or Mata before they ended up at the clubs that they are currently playing for. Torres recommended these players almost 3 years ago and yet we did nothing.
When we were linked to Mata people complained that we did not need this type of player. We made no real effort to sign him, missed out and now fans want his like at Anfield. The last 20 years have been littered with could have, would have, should have. We have been the authors of our own fate.
Silva proved today at Greyskull how important an inventive and composed player is vital to a winning team. We need to break the bank if necessary to sign Eriksen, Hazard, Muniain et al. Of course all of these players will not sign but concerted attempts should be made for them and their ilk. We need to move forward at a livelier pace or we will be overtaken by a resurgent Arsenal among others. {Ed001's Note - Greyskull? Wasn't that He-Man's castle is the good guy's home?}
Depends on how you viewed He-Man really Ed :)
{Ed001's Note - Greyskull? Wasn't that He-Man's castle is the good guy's home?}
Really? That's the point that you pick up on?
I viewed he-man as camp
23 Oct 2011 20:36:37
On a weekend when all the tickets for The Stone Roses comeback gigs sold out double quick, i would like to dedicate their classic tune "I am the Resurrection" to all U8d fans today.
May you return from the dead.
The Real KB
How about Tom Petty's 'Free-falling' ?
23 Oct 2011 20:21:20
Who's better Suarez or Torres?
And why?
Based on goals per game and chances and assists made plus the fact he's 3 years younger got to go with Suarez!
Square tomato
Better at what? If both on form...
Finishing - Torres
Heading - Torres
Box Composure - Torres
Speed - Relatively Even
Strength - Relatively Even
Free Kicks - Suarez
Dribbling - Suarez
Passing - Suarez
Creativity / Vision - Suarez
Aggression - Suarez
Work ethic - Suarez
Would have been some partnership...
Suarez because he plays for Liverpool.
JRG
Tenacity suarez
Stop the delusion
Torres is far better
The most clinical finisher in the game
If we were still playing norwich right now without stopping from saturday suarez would still not have scored.
Face up to it suarez just aint it, he's good at diving but he can't finish for toffee
23 Oct 2011 20:00:35
I bet Sir Alex wished he had not rested Howard Webb for such an important game !
LFC1
23 Oct 2011 19:30:08
Caroll does not get the right kind of service. We build too slowly and give defenses time to get organised.
OR we need a player like Owen/Fowler/Rush, clinical finishers.
I'd go with the second option to be honest.
I'd go with the first. Play Andy and give him service!
And starve the team(ourselves) of the ball and controll of any game? play the kind of football we've been bemoaning since forever. good one.!
23 Oct 2011 19:12:07
hi ed001 , i have a question ,you said earlier that we need a clinical finisher if you were KK who would you try to bring in? and what would the price be? thankyou
hibsylfc {Ed001's Note - 002 told me there was a question about a visit to the clinic! I was wondering what the heck it could possiby be. I think Luuk De Jong might well be the man, he is certainly scoring goals for fun this season. Higuain, Benzema and Gomez would all be decent signings if it was possible to get one of them. The only other one would Doumbia, he seems capable of finding the back of the net on a regular basis, albeit in a weaker league.}
I think Moussa Sow has some potential, and would probably be a cheaper option than the rest. If Van Wolfswinkel keeps up his form he'll be hard to ignore as well. But for me if we sign a striker it has to be Roberto Soldado. 26, with an amazing goalscoring record at Valencia, he just knows how to score goals. Really useful player
Red Ollie
Also, we may look at an older player as something of a stop-gap as Carroll improves his game. Del Piero could be one option, but we will probably not pay his wages; Antonio Di Natale seems to me the obvious choice if we want an older player on a short-term deal
Red Ollie
No, I think that's what we signed Bellamy for, but I certainly agree with you on Soldado, I'm a fan of Valencia and must say that they have some class players.
A cheeky double swoop of Pablo Hernandez and Soldado maybe?
maka
I agree that's why we signed Bellamy, but it hinges on whether we lose Kuyt really. Kenny might prefer to get someone as experienced if not moreso in to support the younger Suarez and Carroll. I have full faith that Soldado would be a great signing
Red Ollie
I hope we lose Kuyt...
23 Oct 2011 18:56:45
I persmally feel that tho the margin of defeat was a bit of a surprise, the man u defeat itself isn't.
They've clearly not been playing well over the past 4-5 games and obviously have concerns in midfield n defence. To the credit,the mancs hv been able to churn out sm results but it was only a matter of time b4 smbody cashed in on those weaknesses. And citeh won't b the only ones. Another injury or 2 and the mancs will be in deep dung.
I'm disappointed w the result we got vs norwich.
But unlike the mancs, we've been putting together sm decent performances. And juz like it was a matter of time b4 smbody capitalised on their poor performances, it's only a matter of time b4 capitalised on our good ones.
I juz hope it happens soon.:-)
If it's any consolation, we prob wld've lost the norwich game last season. Haha
I'm keeping the faith. We'r a quarter thru the season, plenty more points to be gained.
And the more games we play, the more we will gel. Things can only get better.:-)
YNWA
Singapore Red
Please spel properly sing as it drives me nuts!
MM
P.S. it was on purpuse..
Give the guy a break. His name is singapore red which suggests he might be from singapore and therefore english might not be his first language
City will prob beat us 6-0 as well. Too nil as we can't score :-(
We will beat them again dw
23 Oct 2011 18:45:33
I don't know what everyone is crying about, its not terrible i would be far more concerned if we weren't creating chances, which was the problem under Hodgson. PLease everyone calm down I guarantee you we will see plenty of goals this season have some belief. No team consistently creates plenty of chances every game and doesn't get rewarded.
Vik
Couldnt agree anymore. Conor
23 Oct 2011 18:31:00
all the this talk of time needed to gel
I think we are nearly there the bottom line is in the games against manutd, stoke and norwich we must of had over maybe 70 shoots at goal and probably what 40 on target out of them in those 3 games and lost 8 points and score just 2.
Now i don't know about anybody else but i think i can see the main problem.
At the end of the day we are getting there i'm more happy this year with how its going we just have to take our chances and we make plenty of them.
How about its the same story and we finish 6th again? Lol. Wait for it.
23 Oct 2011 18:32:55
ha citeh cheered me up no end today after yesterdays poor result. just a shame there was no ''FERGIE TIME", city might have got 10. about yesterday, i think its obvious we need a striker in january. not necessarily a big money buy but a poacher. somone in the mould of van nistlerooy or fowler. i genuinely believe an alan shearer in his prime would have had 2 match balls if he was playing in that game yesterday. to be fair we need time to gel but i am concerned about our lack of finishing teams off. dropped 2 points v sunderland 2 v norwich 2 v united. we'd be 2 points ahead of united had we turned our dominance into goals. just hope we put a little run together. the encouraging thing for me is regardless of each result, spurs are the only team to outplay us. all is not doom and gloom. YNWA SCAFACE
I don't think we're far away from giving someone a real hiding but the worry for me is that we were ahead against Sunderland, Man U and Norwich at home and ended up with 3 points. With a better defence we'd have won all three 1-0.
We would have won all three 1-0 but surely if you create as many chances as we do we should be taking alot more.
Defenders always prone to making mistakes but we should be so far ahead in these game that one mistake shouldn't be costing us.
23 Oct 2011 18:32:05
I couldnt really careless that City have destroyed United i am a Liverpool fan and it means we are further away from the top of the table.
I want Liverpool to win the league not city so lets not gloat too much.
Mighty reds
I'm not biased I don;t care who beats Man U.
There's too many gloating ManUtd fans that like to post on this page. Personally, I'm happy to point out that they were beaten by a massive six goals by a far better team who played better football and showed that they are second class in their own city. But that's just me.
23 Oct 2011 18:09:33
Seydou Doumbia of Cska Moscow a player to watch. seen him play 4/5 games a very hard working creative midfielder. {Ed002's Note - He is certainly not a "creative midfielder".}
He's blo*dy striker, not a midfielder.
rhi
23 Oct 2011 18:04:16
If you dish it, you need to be able to take it.
For some reason it appears you have missed me today ha ha!
So, there you are, true to my word, I told you I would cheer you up, didn't I?
I personally thought we were unlucky, a few more extra time minutes and it would have been 6-6!
So this is what it feels like to be a Liverpool supporter. I now can really empathise with you. Disappointment is something Liverpool supporters feel on a regular basis, and have done for many, many, many, many, many years. For me it is very rare, so please don't be concerned.
Enjoy this brief moment, the Champions will come back more determined than ever before, whilst tiny Liverpool will still have Andy Carroll and your other expensive cast of dross to help you battle against relegation.
I'm off to drink some expensive wine out of one of our numerous recently acquired trophies!
Oh, I see you are down to 6th place after today. So even on a day that you must have enjoyed, there is always a down-side for Liverpool, and now Arsenal are now only 2 points behind you. Top 4, my arse!
Sir Alex x
Whatever blah blah dont be feeling blue
Good Lord this guy's dumb! He can't see past his own inequities and yet have the cheek to criticise other teams... this coming from a team that parked the bus in front of the Kop last week
SingRed
Not that i am sad today i am quite happy that you got a reality check.your team is nowhere near good enough.your midfield is shocking no argument.but sir alex you do make me laugh.you are the deluded one sir
danny
Dont be on here much but just realised that apparently there is some bitter blue nose on here pretending to be a manc aha i thought i heard it all but that me doubled over for hours never heard of a fan so ashamed of his team that they pretend to be our other rivals get a life.redl4fe
Sir Alex.... read my lips... HA HA HA HA HA.
Nothing like seeing utd get absolutely spanked to put a 1-1 into perspective..... you have not been beaten like that since....OH YES since may when barca tore you a new anus as well!
Onto the real red men... Last season I was in despair after losing at home to wolves and blackpool and this season I am frustrated after drawing against Norwich after seeing a performance from Liverpool which...apart from the lack of goals.... was fantastic... 29 shots on goal..... I will take that all day long... My only worries are the creaky defence ( skertel and carra partnership is not the best for me) and the lack of response after conceding the goal. It took us too long to recover from conceding and if you compare that with say barcelona who do not panic ever.... then its clear that there are one or two things which we need to improve on.
We have to learn the lessons from games like Stoke,Sunderland,Manchester Utd and yesterday's result if we are to acheive the aim of being at the top of the league.
1. Tighten up at the back.
2. Take your chances.
3. Keep playing our brand of football whatever the situation.
If we keep playing to our current standard and improve a little bit at certain things then we can still have a very good season.... Remember last year we were in the bottom three for the first 7 games and finished 6th.
Today we are sixth with room to improve.
Could be worse though eh...... Sir Alex!
jonnybarnes89-90
Mate, you lost 6-1 at home, and were completely dominated.
Now THAT is something we can enjoy and laugh about, and as usual, the mancs try and cover up there awful performances with cheap cracks at other teams!
maka
Sir Alex x is a bitter on a mission. Go easy on him because the trophy cabinet is that lifeless spiders won't even go in there!
Ultra red
23 Oct 2011 17:45:47
It's still early days yet, so prediction is pretty difficult to say.
This season I've seen some great attacking pass and move football and can't wait until our team really jells.
We have moved on so much since last year. Carroll will cOme good. He big and strong with a great left foot and heading ability but his confidence and fitness are questionable. I think he'll come good ( if we dont sell him in January).
I look at our team and I believe we are stronger than Arsenal but weaker than spuds and Chelsea. That being said, who knows what will happen in January.
Physic red
23 Oct 2011 17:37:07
See how quick their ' theatre of dreams' emptied soon as they went behind by a few today?
Fans? Not real ones.Suppose Londons a fair drive for most of em .
They've been found out . You can feel the empire just start to crumble...
How many real fans the Mancs have got will soon be seen when they lose a few more ... Chumps ...
Pride comes before a fall you fair weather fans...
We were our usual up and down selves yesterday but I don't half feel better today ... keep the faith boys
rugbyred
I happen to be a die-hard red who lives down south and I'm just as passionate as you are, all reds are reds.
Even though they are mancs I hate the comments of people about 'london fans etc.'
Sorry mate, but it really gets me bone.
MM
You must be from the south then
The point was their fans are fickle and only follow them because if their success
I dont give a shxxt in reality where they are from
Just that they don't like it when the going gets rough .
Don't be mardy be a fan and if you're a red great you'll be telling us next you feel a bit sorry for the mancs because they lost
Get a sense of perspective
Why not post something yourselves there's a thought
23 Oct 2011 17:27:23
my biggest gripe about the game yesterday was the lack of composure. we were attacking from the first minute as if it was the last ten minutes of the game, and not in a good way, not keeping or recycling the ball when nothing was on.it was panicky and sloppy.I was made up for bellamy , and quite baffled why he was subbed and hendo coming on . Its not all doom and gloom but the team doesnt seem to have a personality ..yet. like we dont know what type of team we are ourselves as apposed to the second half of last season when the pass and move and hard pressing game was evident. dont want to be too critical of the midfield with gerrard relatively new to the team and playing with Adam, who I like, but he doesnt seem to be quite mobile enough to win the ball back from the opposition.
Dara D
23 Oct 2011 17:24:26
Any Carrol bashers let's bring it on now. Any glory hunting plastic fans let's bring it on now. Who wants a verbal straightener?
DaveyBootle
I'm on your side...
Square tomato
Why glorifying Carrol if he seems less interested in playing for us than Aquilani ever was..?
rhi
Yesss, who's side are you on girls and boys? This is gonna turn out to be a gypsy brawl this!
DaveyBootle
Carroll will prove to be quality. Dont see how anyone could question carrolls attitide,
Conor
First blow Rhi. No one is glorifying, just defending a player who deserves it. That's what we do you see, we give players time to prove themselves and then we all stick our fingers up to the doubters.
DaveyBootle
Peter crouch is better
I'm apparently a "Carroll basher" because I didn't ever think he was any good and I still don't. I'm afraid I can't be hypocritical enough to suddenly start saying how much I rate a bloke who I never rated just because he's signed for us.
On the other hand I genuinely hope he rams my words back down my throat and becomes a legend for us because all that matters to me is that we get back where we belong.
Chris in Tamworth
Once the team knows how to work with Carroll properly he will be such a great player for us.....gonna score against west brom too!
Square tomato
I'm neither pro Carroll nor anti-Carroll but I simply wish someone could definitively tell me how he fits into the pass and move philosophy of Liverpool. I suspect that people don't want to speak out against AC as it would be tantamount to questioning KK.
23 Oct 2011 17:23:32
Alex x,sydney,matthew? Where are you? Best team in the world? You're not even the best in manchester!
Capetownred
23 Oct 2011 17:22:01
Transcript of Enrique's comments:
"We all respect Norwich and they did really well," said Enrique.
"But at home against teams like that we have to win if we want to be in the Champions League. I think we lose a lot of points like that.
"I think the best teams in the world and in this league will beat teams like that, with the greatest respect, especially at home because it is more difficult to play them away.
That's telling it as it is - don't give me that 'we need time to gel' Kenny himself admitted he don't even know Hendo's best position, what else can I say?
SingRed {Ed001's Note - but we do need time to gel, so why can't that be mentioned? Is it because it doesn't suit your whines to mention it?}
So when would you expect us to get it together?
I've seen too many games we've played that we dominated from start to finish without any result to show for it... and frankly when ball hit the woodwork twice in the first half I knew it wasn't our day. When norwich equalised I knew the game was over because when we are pressured we become headless chickens and start with the long hollywood balls. We still lack the cutting edge
SingRed
You answered your own moaning there mate.'it just wasn't our day.'
Stu.
So I moaned, ok... who wouldn't, especially after a fantastic performance and 1 point to show for?
SingRed
I see your point mate, just wish some fans would give it time.
Stu.
Sing, they will never get it mate. Nowadays being a 'true' lfc supporter means looking for excuses and eternal optimism when none is due. Soon we will be talking about next season and how our team will gel in the summer witha full preseason together... CL next year... Surely... Lol. Actually sad. I support but am realistic. We no where close.
23 Oct 2011 17:15:47
With Spurs getting the results & now going for Tevez in January will make the life hard for us, better start getting the results our way or else moaning at the end of the season.
Gooners are also finding their feet after a harsh start to their season and Newcastle really looks like they won't be coming down too soon.
Come on LFC & Kenny!
pytbull
23 Oct 2011 17:15:04
With Spurs getting the results & now going for Tevez in January will make the life hard for us, better start getting the results our way or else moaning at the end of the season.
Gooners are also finding their feet after a harsh start to their season and Newcastle really looks like they won't be coming down too soon.
Come on LFC & Kenny!
pytbull
Tevez will have a good job on his hands getting the wages he's after at Spurs.
Stu.
23 Oct 2011 16:50:36
Bit off topic but want your thoughts on penalty takers.
Firstly assuming everyone was fit who would you want as your penalty taker.
Second who would be your nominated five for a shoot-out.
Thirdly which player would you never want to take a penalty.
For me
1. Gerrard - think Adam is good but Gerrard has served us well in past.
2. Gerrard, Adam, Kuyt, Carroll,Lucas - the first 3 are usually good penalty takers, I think Carroll would just blast it with left peg and Lucas daren't miss or he'd be slated - think he has the mentality to take on.
3. I was going to select Suarez but I have a feeling Skrtel whould shank it over bar, bless him.
What do you think eds.
D 2308 {Ed001's Note - 1. Adam has to be first choice, Gerrard has missed a few while Adam is deadly from the spot. I would like to see him taking the free kicks as well, he seems to be deferring too much to others, he is our best player from a dead ball, just take them Charlie! 2. Adam, Kuyt, Gerrard, Enrique (nothing seems to faze him at all) and Downing. 3. Johnson for me, I have a feeling he would trip up or tear a hamstring or have some kind of disaster as often as he would get it right.}
Cheers Ed001 - def agree with you on Johnson - I suppose having to choose between Adam and Gerrard isn't a bad choice.
I remember watchn Crouchie run up to take a penalty for us against Portsmouth, Ive never seen a worse run up in my life lol. Needless to say it was saved but Zenden scuffed in rebound. Happy days {Ed001's Note - he is another one who I would never trust with a penalty, he has that same aptitude for making a mess of things that Johnson seems to have. Just so inconsistent the pair of them, mind, to be fair to Johnson, he is just back from injury so I am not going to worry about yesterday's performance from him.}
I agree ed. gerrard has served us well in the past but adam is so deadly.he should take free kicks as well because lets be honest gerrard scored against united but it wasnt the best.does enrique take pens ed? never seen him take one
danny {Ed001's Note - nor me, it is just that he has that personality that allows him to take things in his stride. Enrique's mentality is first class, he came into the side like he had played for us all his life. I have a feeling penalties would be the same for him.}
Yes i agree ed.he doesn't score many goals but i think he is a sweet striker of the ball.for me he has been my players of the season.he hasn't had a bad came for us.he is consistently good {Ed001's Note - mind I wouldn't want him taking the pens every time, just in a shoot out, I thought I had best point that out!}
Yeah i understand what you mean.lol
but to be honest carra is quite good at pens if it came to a shootout.so basically if we have a pen shootout just break johnsons leg so he can't take one .haha
I've heard carra is very good at taking Pena in training too, also remember an England shootout don't remember who it was against (portugal) and if memory serves me rightly carra was the only England player to score his pen but was forced to have a retake
Hargreaves scored, everyone else Gerrard, Lampard and Carragher had theirs saved. Carragher has a certain method to taking penalties. He puts ball down, walks away with back to goal and then comes in from the left and bends it into bottom right hand corner.
Unfortunatley in England vs Portugal the referee hadn't blown whistle so ordered retake. Carragher put it to left and keeper saved.
My point in leaving him out of penalty takers was the last two pens he has taken he has used same method so if keeper knows about it makes it easier to save.
D 2308
23 Oct 2011 16:50:57
The difference between the words; 'amazing' and 'priceless'.
Watching Man Utd losing 6-1 to Man City; Amazing
Listening to Gary Neville give a summary of events afterwards; Priceless
23 Oct 2011 16:48:23
ed before we bought Caroll was anybody intested in him apart from liverpool cheers {Ed001's Note - yes, Spurs bid over £25m for him but the bid was rejected.}
23 Oct 2011 16:43:08
In the prem 3 points are so hard to come by and every game is just as tough as another. We dont have a divine right to beat Norwich. This weekend results shows how tough it is. Ok city hammered united but i am not going to gloat as i am a liverpool fan and not a city fan.
But a point is a point and we are defo moving in the right direction. One post said i settle for average no i am just a realist. Things dont happen overnight but we are in a fine position to push ahead this season.
Mighty reds
Well said mate...a realist.
DaveyBootle
23 Oct 2011 16:42:13
1 - 6 Thats the price you pay for resting HOWARD WEBB in a derby,
REDGAZ
23 Oct 2011 16:31:58
Come on Slur Alex x be a big man and have the balls to come on here after this complete battering you took today after all the spouting you do with that big gob on here with your pathetic quizes etc.
Your nothing more than smart arse who hides when the going gets tough and when you cant hold the aces over people much like a bully.
Samaritans number for you and all the other united gobs**tes is 161616.
REDGAZ
23 Oct 2011 16:31:19
keep the faith lads , we are not the finished article yet , but i feel we have been unlucky in a couple of matches that would of seen us 4 points better off , lets just hope we keep on working at our game and the rub of the green will go our way , if we can improve a bit more ,we are capable of going on a couple of winning streaks , so all to play for..........lfc
Yes agree mate. early days so far
23 Oct 2011 16:25:05
One thing that i forgot is to give credit to jose enrique since I think was the only player that plays with his heart for LFC. I think he gave 200% yesterday as always
23 Oct 2011 16:17:57
Well that was one of the most enjoyable Sunday afternoons watching the football ever !!
Could of been better the blue she*p could of been beaten that would of been a perfect day
23 Oct 2011 16:16:05
I think the problem does not involve the quality of players but the quality of training. I am under the impression that our players go onto the agmes to get their traning. What happens the weekdays before the game. We had flog players and we finished 7th. Now we have quality players and we will finish 9th at this rate. I think the coaches and the managers should be harder on the players and make them work for their money. At the end of the day we are the LFC fans and we want to be proud of our team and our players. On the other hand having a draw with norwich and especially at ANFIELD was not acceptable. Every week we loose points. Arsenal is two points behind us and spurs are one game down from us. If they win today they will beon top of us with a game in hand. Newcastle are four point in front. How are we going to finish in top FOUR?
^^^ How to finish in top four? Start putting the ball in the net against the better teams.
23 Oct 2011 16:09:10
Dear Sir Alex, when you finally read this (no doubt you will be AWOL for some time!).
Question?. If Wayne Rooney is Shrek, who is the Donkey??.
We all await your answer.
Could it be that the title of 'Donkeys' could be conferred on the 'Entire' Manc team today.
23 Oct 2011 16:04:35
Ryan Babel: I reckon Ferguson is going to regret resting Howard Webb for such a big game. Smithy
I think he had him in as 4th ref just in case he needed extra minutes at the end. As it happened he couldnt wait for the final whistle !
Covo Kenya
23 Oct 2011 15:59:49
I'm just going to throw in my 2 pence on the whole will we/ won't we get top four issue. The way I see it is that we are in a race with Spurs and Arsenal for 4th place. Realistically, we won't be coming above any of City, Chelsea or United this year (unless United keep losing 6 - 1 lol), and Newcastle won't be able to maintain their start.
So, as I type, Arsenal have won today and Spurs are currently drawing 1 -1 with Blackburn at half time. Lets predict that Spurs will win today (might not). That'll mean that Spurs will have 16 points, we'll have 15, and Arsenal 13. Spurs will have a game in hand against Everton - never a definite win.
Van Persie is currently carrying Arsenal to the results that they're getting. Once he loses his form, or gets his inevitable annual injury, they'll be desperately struggling. I see Spurs as the main competiton (I'm not writing off Arsenal) and they always seem to be inconsistent, especially defensively. We're creating enough chances to be winning our games at the moment, and could've/ should've won 8 of our 9 matches with the chances we've made. Soon enough these chances will turn to goals, and our inability to keep clean sheets won't be costing us these dropped points anymore.
4th is still well within our reach, and it will be 'mission accomplished' should we get there. Right now we just need a lucky goal from anywhere and all our goal scoring woes could well be turned around, hopefully against West Brom next week...
Lfc fans
You write newcastle off at your peril.Best thing ever happened to us getting rid of scousers Barton and nolan and as for carroll he will be back in the summer for 10 million.
You do have a good left back though ! strangely we are much tighter defensively without him
toon fan
Be realistic in about 6 months newcastle will be lucky to be in the top half of the table
Werent Blackpool in Newcastle's position this time last year ? Now I wonder what happened to them ?
23 Oct 2011 15:59:39
We need experience striker eg klose,drogba for goals and carrol suarez and adam morgan can learn from them what do you think ed {Ed001's Note - not sure we do myself, I think Morgan needs games to learn, not another striker stopping him getting them. I would loan him out for the second half of the season to a team that will play him.}
23 Oct 2011 15:55:39
I wonder where Sir Alex is today?.
23 Oct 2011 15:55:30
any1 else over the moon that scum got beat 6-1 today ?
23 Oct 2011 15:50:54
lets face it liverpool are not good enough how the hell can we draw at home to Norwhich,kenny has bought second rate players eg downing,carrol and why is kuyt always first pick??he gives the ball away all the time.if this continues then kenny must go,we can forget champions league for at least 3/4 seasons at this rate
If you can't spell Norwich (or Carroll for that matter) how closely do you follow football? On that basis post dismissed.
dd
This is not Alex Ferguson is it by any chance is it ?
23 Oct 2011 15:42:55
I'm suprised those experts who slated Our team yestaday havnt come on today to tell us about whisky nose's immanent sacking and the fall of the once mighty United to a relegation team..
Considering their imense knowledge and tactually astute observations in all.
Physic red
He just lost his First game not two and not four draws
They have been very lucky so far they have been found out
Yes! But they lost in such style!! Lol.
23 Oct 2011 15:42:42
I knew this would happen on here after drawing with Norwich. Unnamed fans coming on here saying we've 'wasted 100 million' and 'we've spent a 100 million for an extra six points'..
And even questioning Kennys position at the club!
We're 8 games in, give it a rest. A team doesn't blend over night. It took Ferguson 5 years to create the mentality, not two weeks.
Stu.
P.s. Ed001 mate, i feel sorry for you big time..
I think it was a lot longer than five years mate he came in 85 they didnt win the league until 93
23 Oct 2011 15:38:04
There is a lot of Carra or not to Carra posts here, so lets put it to vote.
Those in favour of 'Dropping Carra' press 'Believable' and 'Keeping Carra' press 'Unbelievable'.
Why, does Carra still play for you? wow, i didnt know.
23 Oct 2011 15:36:09
i see sir alsix is missing
23 Oct 2011 15:34:30
I dont see any posts from sir alex x today, maybe he's taking a nap and doesn't know the score yet.
Sir Alex x, is a blue and they won 3-1
If Sir Alex lives in Manchester, no doubt he is perfecting the disguise he will need to use for the next few weeks.
23 Oct 2011 15:32:47
After the disappointment yesterday, couldn't have wished for a better today. Thank you, city. 6-1, wow, what a way to end it. :)
23 Oct 2011 15:27:45
Sir Alex x ?
Belfast Red
23 Oct 2011 15:25:09
Oh god. Please don't let this end
AD
23 Oct 2011 15:23:42
I was so depressed after yesterday but watching that has cheered me up so much. It could easily have been 10. What a class act silva is
Cheered me right up and i thought that was slur alex x job lol
23 Oct 2011 15:23:05
This should shut the mancs up for days and weeks to come...
Keith YNWA
23 Oct 2011 15:21:55
Sir Alex your team took a hell of a beating.
23 Oct 2011 15:06:55
New song for Whisky Nose-
Sacked in the morning, sacked in the morning, sacked in the morning!
Rafa's Purple Goatie
23 Oct 2011 15:06:14
Is it wrong to enjoy watching Evra get torn to shreds by Citeh?
Yes its a guilty pleasure
Confess your sins
23 Oct 2011 15:04:11
Suddenly I'm feeling a whole lot better! where's that ratboy Alex?
SingRed
23 Oct 2011 14:58:30
Is anybody else loving the united-city game. Reminds me of the day we thumped them 4-1. City are all over them
23 Oct 2011 14:52:34
Last year we would've needed about 70 points to get a CL place- its the same most seasons.
But with 15 pts from 9 games, that means we're on target for a total of maybe 63 points.
I'm not getting at the team or blaming anyone- it's a newish squad still gelling, plus it is a bad patch and some recent chances would have been buried on a different day, and our performances seem to deserve better results than we get, etc etc.
But the cold fact is this- our results so far would not have given enough points to get a CL place in the last half a dozen seasons, probably more.
We are just not getting enough points to get a CL spot come next May, and that is the bottom line. It has to change, and soon.
Our one saving grace is that we are still close to Spurs in points and its in our hands to beat them to at least 4th spot, but we have to get on a winning streak and start picking things up.
23 Oct 2011 14:49:33
What a fantastic little player Silva is. Absolutely loving watching him give Utd the right runaround!
Ash
He is the best of City. brilliant player. thank u city, for giving me happy week ending after last night disappointment.
He is not fantastic. he is sensational best player in the prem for me
danny
Ye and we could of had him first if them two yanks had put the money up imagine Silva and Suarez together ?
23 Oct 2011 14:29:41
I give up - at this rate I'm happy even to have G. Cahill replace Carragher
And Ed001, Citeh has 17pts and 2nd in the league after 8 games...not exactly, how we say, struggling
SingRed {Ed001's Note - yes, this season, I said last season, it takes time to build a team, anyone who knows anything about real football (and not just played a few games of FM) knows that. Players have to gel and learn each other's games, to know what they intend when they start a run. Is Suarez going to drop deep then spin in behind? Or perhaps he is going to come deep and want the ball to his feet? Will he bend his run? Or will he keep going the way he has started? Is his run a feint or a real run? There are hundreds of variables that you can only learn by getting to know each other.}
No ed, the Citeh stats I posted were from last season
SingRed {Ed001's Note - did you watch them play? They were struggling, they were dire last season, playing defensive, negative football and grinding out results. Surprised they had so many at that point, but they didn't exactly go out and try and play footie like we are. But then they had a goal scorer in form, we are missing that one element that would turn us into a completely different prospect. We are creating chances, just not putting them away, give it time.}
I think we have too many "nice boys" that lack that slight arrogance / confidence that makes the difference between firing wide / weakly and hammering chances to the back of the net. Downing, Carroll and Hendo all lack confidence the latter are both young and may grow in confidence but at the moment we are relying on Suarez and Adam to win us games and we wont get 4th if this continues to the end of the season. We need Downing, Carroll, Henderson and the others to start finishing chances and contributing to our goal difference.
At this stage, points matter, results count. No point playing beautiful footy like the gooners but end up dropping points everywhere. We can create a gazillion chances but with no natural finisher it comes to a big fat zero
SingRed
23 Oct 2011 14:25:20
Ok,cue the insulting replies,ie.im not a red etc.But we shouldve beat Sunderland,Stoke,and Norwich.But Shouldve/Couldve becoming a pattern.We aint taking chances,and are overplaying.More"Flicks",than "Allo Allo".And if Suarez doesnt score,wheres the threat?Then theres the Subs issue.As strange as some where endve K.Ks last reign.Why was Bellamy taken off?And at that stage,not Downing,or maybe Kuyt?Then Agger coming on smacks of safety first.Finally,seeing Downing was still on,why take him off when Carrol eventually comes on?Surely they go together like Gin and Tonic?And if Carrols that far down pecking order why keep him?Get rid in Jan.I have to quetion K.Ks decisions on subs,and buys.But more worrying was the lackve passion,closeing down,movement,shape,leadership.Why is that?And why when teams equalise,do we panic,and go long?Norwich deserved their point if only for workrate,stickability,closeing,movement,Of which they gave us a lesson on angles,and pass and move-2nd half.Ok Stevie still on way back,but he was poor also,as was Adam.I hope im wrong,but ill stick my neck out,and say now,weve no chanc of Champs Leauge Were miles behind others.No good Doing it v Manc u,then poor next week!Has K.k still got it,judgement wise.But more importantly Motivationally?Cos why were we so lacklustre 2nd half at times?Remember how Fenway acted at Redsocks,after much money spent,without adequate results?!Should serve as reminder/warning to all=NOWHERE NEAR GOOD ENOUGH!
After the changes were made we took control of the game again
23 Oct 2011 14:15:15
LAWRENSON
someone needs to give him a slap across the back of the head, suarez is what he is, gerrard and carra dont need to have a word as lawrenson said i still havent forgot or forgiven lawrenson for his comments about being accused of being a man utd fan, as lancashire lad i am a man utd fan, manchester utd are the biggest club in the world he said, ok if thats what he thinks but an ex player should never say things like that, he is sarcastic in everything he says and is still making a living on the back of being an ex liverpool player he should be more respectful, suarez is nowhere near the likes of ronaldo or drogba who let themselves down more than anyone else i personaly love suarez he is a real top class player, bob paisleys skids
Does the truth hurt?
Lawrenson was going no were until we bought him he would of been stuck in brighton for the rest of his career Liverpool football club made him a house hold name gave him his tv chance this fella make me sick he has an opinion on Liverpool every week in the press I believe the former LFC players should have a quite word in his shell like and tell him to f**k off the Preston pansy
Lawro is a Liverpool Legend is he not allowed an opinion?
Just becuse you don't like his opinion does not makes his opinion invalid.
23 Oct 2011 13:39:57
So, another day dawns and now all you fickle lot think Suarez isn't a finisher, KK has lost the plot, Downing is carp etc etc etc. Its a joke. 9 games in and the gloom mongers are back. Get real you so call fans.
The Goatherder
JFT96
So when u want to make sound when is 35 game finish and we are no 7 again ? after invest £100m we want to see we are top 4. let easy point go is not help u to be no 4. {Ed001's Note - have you ever thought it might take time to turn the shambles Kenny inherited into a winning team? City spent that kind of money and struggled last season, for instance. Stop talking about how much money was spent, it is irrelevant, just look for improvement over last season and that is clearly there.}
Having said that Ed, do you think that John Henry is talking nonsense saying it would be a 'catastrophe' if we don't get top 4?
Ash {Ed001's Note - yes.}
Fair play ed.
Ash
Henry is a man who likes success who builds around successful people
He wants top 4
We will not get it
Henry has understimed what it takes for success in the premiership
Without the sheik and abramovich top 4 would be a lot easier
Its a new dawn, its a new day and past glories mean nothing.
Kenny will take us up a level however it will not be instant
Players in the squad who need to be replaced
Johnson
Kuyt
Carra
Henderson
Carroll
Maxi
Adam
Downing
So you're saying Kenny will take us up a level, but he needs to sell almost £80 million worth of players he has signed in the last 10 months? Do you really have confidence in Kenny or are you just saying it?
Ash
I have confidence in Kenny
Many managers including SAF have bought players that did not work out
Unfortunately Kenny may not have the budget of other clubs to make the clearout he needs
Everytime you go into the transfer market its always a gamble especially with younger players and keeny has bought some players that clearly are not having the immediate impact he thought they would.
You cannot sell £80 million worth of players in the first 12 months of signing them mate. No one could get away with that. Imagine if Kenny went to the board to tell them that. It would be a very awkward but short conversation!
Ash
True
But that is what needs to be done
If Kenny had a sheik in the boardroom I doubt the sheik would get upset by 80M
80M to the man citeh sheik is like 80 pence to us mere slaves who work for the illuminati
23 Oct 2011 13:20:02
hey liverpool fans
lets think.............we need to score goals.........and i think pavlenchko could be the one...what do u think?
hes mobile so he can play in our team upfront..
Personally i think that Carroll will come good and a lot of people forget that he is only 22!I must admit that i was disappointing by him during the Rangers game but he was one of a number of players who under performed and didn't try that day. What we do need though is long term competition/backup and in all honesty chasing after a 29 year old is probably the wrong way to achieve that. We have a lot of quality prospects coming through the academy and if we do need to buy then i would like and expect someone along the lines of Luke De Jong whom the eds have mentioned is a player the club are looking at.
RustyNigel
Rooney came good at 17
What age do you expect Carroll to Blossom?
When he's 64 maybe? {Ed001's Note - Carroll is a totally different player to Rooney, I seem to remember Rooney struggling when he was forced to completely change his game by being shifted to the left wing. Carroll is having to make similar changes to his game now, let's just give him a chance to adapt, it takes time.}
Rooney was only shifted to the wing to accomodate Ronaldo
Rooney did not like the wing and still does not like the wing he's back as UTD's main striker
Carroll is not asked to play the wing he's supposed to be the main striker for Liverpool
Of course they are two different players Rooney is brilliant Carroll is average
Carroll will never be a success for Liverpool bit like that spanish lad who was brilliant in spain but terrible for Liverpool sometimes it just does not work out (not talkin about torres) {Ed001's Note - Carroll is having to make the same huge changes to his game Rooney was expected to make. Carroll is going from being a target man, the whole focal point of the team, with every single move going through him, to becoming just a small cog in the wheel of a pass and move side. If you can't see the difference, perhaps you need to spend some time learning about football. You only have to look at Dzeko to see it can take time for a player to adapt, he has undergone a very similar change himself.}
Right, and Alonso was a bad player because he had one bad season? I seem to recall Lucas was the hate figure a couple of years ago , even Gerrard looked average at best during his breakthrough year but my point is that not everyone just seamlessly slots into a team. Now with all the "fans" who have criticized the team non-stop for the past 18hours distracted by Man Utd being torn up by City im going to give up because as ed01 said earlier the mob wont put down their torch and pitchforks until we are winning games:)
RustyNigel
Andy Carroll walks on to the pitch as bellamy and Downing leave the pitch the two people brought in to supply the crosses for Andy so who was going to get the ball in the box . Though it hurts to say this King Kenny got this and the man u game plan wrong well his subs . by the way why did he put on agger when we needed to win the game why did he not leave Bellamy on he was the main threat down the flanks ?
He ws just giving sicknote Agger a run out for the last 3 minutes that's all
23 Oct 2011 13:05:57
hey lfc fans............
i think we all know that man city last yr were average with all the best players...they drew alot of games etc...and i guess they needed time to gel..
they are doing very well now..so i EXPECT LIVERPOOL to win more games next yr..........
but i believe that any lfc fan who says lfc are playing crap, are a disappointment, and all that stuff have EVERY RIGHT TO DO IT...
with enrique and johnson..2 awesome fullbacks
suarez agger gerrard bellamy caroll downing adam lucas...are all top players..when u look at that..u think.......hands down we shud think we must win much more games...hmm
Hey we have a fantastic set of players who need time to gel we have the best young center forward this country has produced since shearer but we have to play to the lads strengths get the wide men to get the ball in the box from wide areas and let the rest of the team feed of Andy Carroll he should be our focus point of the team and suarez should be playing around Andy with out Andy on the pitch reina is kicking the ball the full length of the pitch to suarez we are not and never have been a long ball team Shankly brought us up to play football the right way on the floor and that was with toshack in the team and by doing this we went on to become the greatest team in the world in my opinion so before we can run with this team we need to learn how to walk and not alone .
PS I though Norwich played some lovely football and gave us problems at times well done Norwich and their manager .
23 Oct 2011 13:03:49
I like everybody else on this site watched the game yesterday. I can not say we didnt play well. Our performance was not brilliant but OK. the problem was that we could not find the net. So many chances and attempts and we only scored once. I think it was a discrace. Norwich played well with passion for the complete 90 min and they got rewarded for it. We defenetly need a man than can score. I hate to say this but someone like Torres. I think Suarez is a good player for the wings but I do not think he is a good finisher. Just count how many chances he had in nine games and how many he missed the net. He has pace he can tackle opposition players he can overtake them but his finishing is poor. Also i Think Kenny made mistakes yesterday. He sub Downing and Bellamy. If he was to sub somebody it should be kuyt and Gerrard yesterday. They perform very poorly.
I thought we played quite well yesterday. We just couldn't take our chances and their keeper was man of the match. I do think our defending needs alot of improving but if we keep playing like that we'll do ok this season. Theres alot of new players there so it will take time, we just need to be patient. JFT96
Nail and head
23 Oct 2011 12:41:39
Eden Hazard/Christian Eriksen/Adam Johnson/Marko Marin. My top prioritizes for the missing link on the right.
I know it's too early and no one knows whether we will splash the cash again in January or not. But Kenny's recent comments on the owners backing him again in transfer market makes me believes we will spend some money in January but not a lot.
Other than the right side we need a defensive midfielder, so we can push Hendo, Gerrard & Adam further up the pitch. Also better to loan out the likes of Spearing (prefer selling him if we can find a buyer), Flanno, Wilson etc.
In summer we can replace the likes of Aurelio, Maxi & Kuyt with young & quality players.
We are definitely lacking a clinical finisher, if ANDY haven't come good by then, we must make sure we get a goal scorer. I would prefer Gussipe Rossi. He will be expensive so i don't know whether the club will splash another 30-35M on a player.
pytbull
23 Oct 2011 12:36:20
It is worth pointing out to those who say we are 6 points better off than last year, that we are actually on the exact same points we were at this stage of the 2009-2010 season, the season that we finished in 7th. Would it be fair to say we are the same path as then? I also think our first team was stronger then (not squad, but first team.) Any opinions?
Ash
Stronger squad and a stronger first team, The only thing lacking a clinical finisher & some more good tactics from the coaching staff!
*Substitute timing,
*Playing the players in their best position,
*Better team selection.
pytbull
Stronger squad and a stronger first team, The only thing lacking a clinical finisher & some more good tactics from the coaching staff!
*Substitute timing,
*Playing the players in their best position,
*Better team selection.
pytbull
I disagree i think 2 years we deserved to be where we were. Our first team and squad is now alot stronger. Looking back at the games where we lost points we should of had the points wrapped up at half time against Sunderland, could of scored 3 or 4 against Stoke, unlucky not to beat the mancs and yesterday we hit the bar twice the post once we also wasted 3 or 4 other good chances. The only game we have deseved to lose is the spurs game which we were awful. We are creating chances something we wernt doing a couple of years ago and we have options. People keep going on about a right winger but what money Kenny gets in January our top priority has to be a natural goalscorer. We havnt got any problems gettin foward and creatin good goalscoring chances its gettin the ball in the back of the net thats the problem.
23 Oct 2011 12:15:13
.............I dare you to publish this ............ {Ed002's Note - Actually I would have been quite happy to publish the post as it was all innocuous piffle. And then I came across your challenge; which is a really great way of having an Editor delete your post.}
Ed002, I think that's the first time I've ever heard anyone accused of writing 'innocuous piffle'.
Have you ever lived in a Charles Dickens novel?
{Ed001's Note - she was in a number of them.....}
Liverpool fans are in one.....Great Expectations.
23 Oct 2011 12:27:41
liverpool needs a new manager, it is as simple as that. we need a tactical manager, who knows a good player when he sees one and one who can make good substitutions. am sorry to say with our current set-up, this kind our spell will continue. we had a midfielder(maxi) that could score goals on the bench, we brought in one(henderson) that was so scared to play.removing our best player(bellamy) on the pitch and putting in an inferior player will not get this club anywhere near top 6. kenny is making a big mistake with his subs and tactics. i love this club and i want it to move forward, we need to do the right thing. we bought some average players for ridiculous amount of money based on premiership experience; newcastle bought very cheap players from france with no pl experience and see where they are now.
they are playing very well and winning games with no excuse of needing time to gel. our excuse of buying downing( who was suppose to be removed in the 1st half ystday and has not been playing well since coming to this club), henderson( i have said alot about him already in previous posts) and charlie cannot tackle adam and andy carroll based on pl experience does not hold water. the manager has to take all the blame, we bought poorly and it showing now. OUR HISTORY IS HOLDING US BACK BECAUSE WE FAIL TO LOOK TO THE FUTURE. kk has lost touch with modern football and it is showing. something is wrong with the team and kk is not seeing it. WE NEED A YOUNG VIBRANT MANAGER THAT HAS A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF THE GAME TACTICALLY, TECHNICALLY AND ORGANIZATIONAL WISE. AM SORRY THIS IS NOT WORKING AND I SEE A LONG COLD SEASON AHEAD. it is shame because lfc is a team we all love.
I am a fan of an institution called lfc not the manage or the players.
Nigerian fan(tooblac) {Ed001's Note - seriously? Are you for real? You are judging players after a few games, no wonder Henderson is 'scared to play' as you call it, with fans like you already whining about him. Sad knee jerk reaction.}
Ed001 after few games! newcastle comes to mind. they are 4points ahead of us and they didnt spend tonne of money to achieve this despite giving them 35m for a striker. the problem with us is that we make too many excuses for our team, it is not helping anybody. the evidences are there, alot of things is wrong with our play; but we all decide to close our eyes becos it is kk that is at the helm of things. we are 9 games into the season now and i hope we will not be saying the same thing after 20 games.
Nigerian fan(tooblac) {Ed001's Note - rubbish, Newcastle are doing very well, but they don't have fans expectations to worry about. Their fans were expecting a struggle, a fight against relegation or mid-table mediocrity this season. Unfortunately we have fans like you, fans with unrealistic expectations, expecting a team in transition to perform miracles. Then you whine when the miracle doesn't happen! Madness.}
What a ridiculous post. I cant believe people are calling for kennys head already. What hes trying to do is a work in progress and will take time. We've already taken massive strides forward from this time last year. Be positive
@Ed001 what does fans expectations have to do with result? thats a lame excuse my ed. barcelona team deals with fans expectations and i dont see any liverpool player complaining about fans expectations until you brought. excuse!! {Ed001's Note - when Barcelona are in the bottom half of the league for most of a season with an extremely poor side, then get taken over halfway through the season by a living legend's return, then you can suggest there is a comparison to be made about fans' expectations.}
23 Oct 2011 12:26:21
and look what happens when lucas doesn't play... wonder if it had been the same score with him in the team would he have been the scapegoat?
Why is it, that everytime LFC don't perform, all the supporters want new players (so many mentioned, in the last 24 hours) and the manager "KK" to be sacked.
Please fellow Reds fans, let's be realistic, and not reactionary!.
23 Oct 2011 11:57:34
Few points which I want to take on:
1. We were not unlucky we were poor in finishing. Our only goal came from a deflection so stop moaning.
2.Our defense has been in shambles from pre-season and when some fans pointed this out then others said oh its just pres season,oh its only first 5 games.
If you all may remember that pepe won those golden gloves when we had the meanest of defenses. pepe came out and said that its the defense in front that gives him confidence.Fact is that our defending from top to back is very ordinary and it has now impacted our keeper's confidence.
defending is art and good teams are build on tight defenses. Titles are won on defenses.
3.Lets leave the substitution aside but question the timings.Carrol can't be judged on last 10 minutes given to him by our manager.My question is 35M spend and at home yet Carrol is not good enough to win you game against MAN U and Norwich.
I am questioning the manager here why would you buy a 35M player if you cant yourself see him winning you matches and trophies.
Last I checked we do not have same money as chelsea and city to waste.
4. Some here are saying we created so many chances.lets see according to official figures from ESPN. Liverpool had 23 shots but only 9 on target.Norwich had 12 shots but 7 on target.
100M spend and it was last seasons Midfield under same manager that controlled more games.My question is in beginning of season we were discussing how we have too many midfielders now it seems we need more.
5.Why we keep comparing this season from last one.the situation is totally different so much money has been spend the mental and emotional situation of club is totally different.Please lets not start coming with excuses already.
I wish I can be as positive as some are on this site regarding our chances this season. I just honestly hope you all are right and I am wrong.I love my club and want them to succeed.
Happy DIWALI to you all and to your families.
Red Indian
23 Oct 2011 11:51:44
Some right moaners on here today.
Maybe I should come back when it's a Liverpool supporters page again.
MIKEY
23 Oct 2011 11:38:27
Carragher phoned Tony Barrett to complain about what was wrote about him in Pepe's Reina's autobiography ! Barrett told him he was just writing Pepe's words and if he had a problem he should take it up with him. This guys been allowed to get far too big for his boots. Oh he only took 27 seconds to launch the ball high into the Centenary stand yesterday , it must be a personel best. Legend more like toe-end
Sadly carras best behind him.great though hes been
23 Oct 2011 11:16:41
is there any chance liverpool to sign Andrea Shurle from Leverkusen, he can play at both wings and he can play striker - would be great addition
23 Oct 2011 10:37:49
why are people blaming Carra for yesterday stop making people scapegoats. If anything maybe it was reinas fault on the goal but then pulled off a world class save. But i dont believe in slating players or the manager. Carra as not done much wrong this season.
There was nothing wrong with KK subs he bought agger on at left bk and pushed Jose to left mid try something new. Didnt we create two great chances after that sub in a short space of time. Carrolls chance was just behind him really unlucky and Ruddy made a world class save from Luis.
I just want to wed to come around quick so we can take our frutrations out on stoke.
The team are performing brilliantlly and i believe our luck in front of goal will change.
Mighty reds
Yes we are just unlucky... Carra is as slow as my nan, yes Reina's fault the goal, but Carra needs to go.
{Ed006's Note - Refs fault for the goal. Adam was clearly fouled in the build up..}
Nice words, mighty, but these dropped points against teams that we are supposed to beat WILL come back to bite us when we are fighting for top 4.
SingRed
The cross should of never been aloud amongst other things. If we had taken our chances then we wouldn't even be talking about this.
Evers.
Time to stop blaming others & the luck, we are just not good enough in-front of the goal and we have to blame our selves not others for not wining.
pytbull
23 Oct 2011 10:35:03
The thing about Suarez is that the more he rolls around the pitch & dare I say, makes the most of certain challenges, then he is going to get less & less sympathy from refs. Refs, like the rest of us are only human & are therefore going to react if they think a player is trying to pull the wool over their eyes. Suarez is a really good player & he doesn't need to resort to falling over at the slightest touch. He is also very prone to not getting genuine decisions which obviously could affect results. Let's leave the diving & play acting to the Manchester outfit, who I'm sure we all agree are masters & past masters at this art.
The Irish Rover
And less and less sympathy from fans...
23 Oct 2011 10:29:46
Lets get one thing straight here, I am in no way ever going to Hate Jamie Carragher.He has always tried to do his best for the club.He should go down with the likes of Tommo and Tommy Smith as true legends.The truth is, he is not the player he once was.Carra is holding the team back,I am a season ticket holder, and am amazed that Kenny's perservering with him.We have Agger and Coates sitting on the bench and the stands when either could play Kennys system much better than Carra.The Carra brigade have given me alot of stick over the past for stating that in my opinion Sir Bob would have moved him on 18 mths ago, and while we continue playing him, he is a goal conceded waiting to happen.I don't think he would get in Uruguay or Denmarks squads,so why is he still playing in a team trying to gain a top 4 place.Rafa was not going to give Jamie a new contract and he came out in the paper saying he wouldn't have a problem playing for another club.Yes, if we take our chances we would have won most games this season,but my point is that if the opposition coming to Anfield can stay in the game,Carra pulls us deep because of his Houlier schooling of defending what we have.I now dream of a team without Carragher.I dont hate the guy, I just want the best for the club I support.I think we would be a better side without Carra.
Jiminy Cicket
23 Oct 2011 09:51:45
Am i the only one thinking Carra's time is up, of course he is a such a legend that we all find him hard to drop but face the reality he is finding difficult to find the feet now a days & he is becoming too slow. I would drop him & play Agger & Skrts they played really well when Carra was injured last season. And they are not as bad as many of you think.
I don't know what Kenny was doing by benching Carroll he needs these types of matches to get his confidence back & most importantly a good run in the first team would be really important for him. Kuyt should have been benched yesterday. Also what's the point of taking away Bellamy when he was doing really well down the left flank. Otherwise we should have started Carroll & Hendo instead of Kuyt & Bellamy, then within 20-15 minutes to go we can bringing Kuyt & Bellamy to make an impact.
Yesterdays match showed how much Lucas is important for our team, Gerrard & Adam did well but not patched up the missing whole in the team Lucas left,
Suarez also needs to stay strong on the ground he can do his tricks in the penalty area, outside he must make sure he didn't give away the ball and he should not always expect the refs to do him a favour.
These kind of dropping easy points to lesser teams will definitely ruin our season like it's done previously, Next it's Stoke i pray we don't get unlucky & get knocked out!
pytbull
23 Oct 2011 09:38:50
Carra you need to retire lad,totally out your depth now,stand down before supporters start hating you,Excellent servant,But the games moved on,if anyone defends him,you must be his mate....He's not a first team player no more..
What a load of tosh !! carra is still a world class player that every manager if the prem would welcome into his team with open arms....go back to your manc site fool
tel 1949
"supporters" eh, go follow another team mate, this club doesn't need or want the likes of you clinging on to us. Citeh I'd say should suit you.
You having a laugh,its down to fools like yourselves all loved up with carra that we leak goals,he's never been a great defender...(EVER),and every manager in the prem would have him,Maybe all the teams beginning with W....He's never been world class,If you loved your team,you would realise that,follow your brain,not your heart...He's Finished..
Carra should step aside he is right but retire I disagree with. Be good squad player to have.
Corkpoolred
Why when reds fans state obvious.or criticise constructively,do the idiots insult them.so your all delighted with stoke,sunderland,and norwich points dropped?wake up and smell the coffee!everyone wants the best,but you have to take off rose tinted at times.or you settle for mediocroty
23 Oct 2011 09:26:13
For Gods sake stop moaning and support the bloody team.Sat in front of your computers writing crap never going to watch the team in real life[apologies to the minority that do but you probably dont post crap} all you do is moan and speculate who we will sign next transfer window.
No wonder we get crank supporters from other clubs coming on here with their wind ups because these moaning posts shame all true Liverpool fans.
Derek
Yes its better to put the rose coloured glasses on and say how we were so unlucky again... Perhaps the ref was biased again?
23 Oct 2011 09:09:49
I cant believe some of the posts that was put on here after the game. Ok it was a disappointing result but there was absolutely nothing wrong with the performance.
And some of the posts about KK was a joke he is trying to gel a new squad together and is doing a fine job. We have some fine players but all teams need a little bit of luck. We didnt lose the game so its another point on the board. Then we go again against stoke then West Brom.
People that think you can get championship winning team after nine games are delusional. Lets just back KK and the squad they are not letting us down but there maybe a couple of disappointing results along the way but its not the end of the world. Just a step towards progression.
I also believe its part of the fans fault as well as the atmosphere is not good enough against the lesser teams. Its great against teams like united but not Norwich so dont put all the blame on the team.
Mighty reds.
I was shocked at kenny,awful subs,been same all season im afraid,he aint using them rite at all,and yesterday his subs was to save a point instead of trying to gain 3,against norwich at home,awful
Okay let me explain as i have had to do offline all day why we put on a defender in order to play for the 3. By having the 3 central defenders we allowed Enrique and Jonno to get forward and provide the crosses which is why that we also took off Downing and allowed Henderson to play a more central role meaning that in actual fact we were playing a 3-5-2 and it almost paid off.
RustyNigel {Ed001's Note - I think you are wasting your time, unless the team wins some people will find any excuse to whine, without any of them actually taking the time to understand why things are done. They don't actually care, they just want to whine.}
Speaking about a new club, newcastle comes to our mind my friend.they are a new club with alot of gelling to do bcos they brought in alot of players and selling their stand-out players of last season. we like making excuses, we are not good enough period! good performance doesnt get you points and good result does. stop talking about luck in the game football, you make your own luck.
Only thing mighty red(whose happy with average ness)says thats true-kop/fans awful.Remember when fans backed us when struggeling?no matter who we played?!
No wonder you were explaining the subs Kenny made . He brought on agger to play a 3 at the back so the full backs could get down the lines ! well let me inform you they were getting down the lines all game so why put a third center back on ? he took off two wide men so the two full backs could get down the line I am sorry but that does not make any sence to me , H e brings on Carroll for the last ten mins when the game was crying out for him the lad nearly won us the game in them ten mins Kenny should of brought on maxi the lad was scoring for fun until Kenny took a dislike to him for some reason sorry fella I love King Kenny he is my hero but his subs are hard to understand like last weeks against the mancs . Making subs is a art how many times has plum nose won games with subs kenny needs to learn this quickly before the crowd turn on him god forbid
23 Oct 2011 09:09:26
Suarez is a class footballer, one of the best in the prem.
but Liverpool won't get the best out of him playing him a
a lone striker because he's not that kind of player. It's like
sticking Kenny Dalglish up front alone, he was never that kind of striker either. Against ManUnited, Suarez looked too isolated
up front but the team played much better IMO with five in midfield. I would say, it has been worth experimenting to see how Suarez copes with a lone striker role. And this really is the point about Liverpool, it is still experimental. We don't know yet what are
strongest team is yet as we are still blooding in so many players. We completely dominated against Norwich and should have easily won the game, we should have beaten United. I'm frustrated we are not winning these games, but we are playing really well. Some teams will not play well and win (see ManUtd against Norwich) - that's all down to an experienced side
23 Oct 2011 08:10:38
Does anyone know why Kelly was not involved yesterday ?
EST.1892
Because the manager does not know what he is doing. Im sorry but Kelly is better going forward and defending then Johnson.
Yes, Kenny dalglish knows it. I think Johnson didn't made many mistakes, but Kelly was doing fantastic job and yet he was dropped. Just like city dropping Dzeko, Johnson.
Johnson is a good attacking full back but he can't defend Kelly can do both
Forget about johnson
why did he take off bellamy (who scored) and Downing (who is our only real winger) and bring on Carroll who must have been DRUNK to miss from 4 yrds and Agger who probably got injured getting of the bench too quickly. What is he thinking who is going to cross for the drunk if downing aint playing.
MOVE kenny upstairs thats where he belongs with his tactic to win being take off Kuyt and bring on a CB is a disgrace and embarrassing we are at home.
To loose a goal in every game this season after he went on a spending spree.
His signings are terrible no matter how much people support them.
Carra needs to retire and lets buy samba or cahill to replace him.
Kenny blames poor finishing i blame a dogy defense and poor management.If harry rednapp had 100 million spurs would win the league if kenny had another 100 million we would probably buy andy johnson for 40 million because his english.
Kelly not even on bench, perhaps a slight knock? Kenny is no fool and Kelly does get injured regularly.
Fensh
Kelly was ill - ed can you back me up on this one?
Corkpoolred {Ed001's Note - yes mate, he was out because he couldn't play, not because he wasn't picked.}
23 Oct 2011 08:01:04
Why does everyone emediatly asume that spurs and arsenal are defo gonna win all these games against lesser teams? Arsenal where CL last year so they are the team to replace now we all no how bad they have been this season, and we have done half the job on them this season already, the end if the season is a long way from over we can and I still believe we WILL atleast finish fourth spot. I am anoyed as much as everyone about that result but when our luck turns we will reap the benefits I just know it,I can really see us scoring 7 or 8 past a team this season and that will help everyones belief that we will have a strong end to the campaign and a champions league spot.over and out
Square tomato
Poor finishing is not bad luck (straight at keeper or wide). I hate all the excuses. Perhaps we were lucky Norwich didn't score the second header where Enrique went to sleep...
Ok well let's just give up now then
Square tomato
23 Oct 2011 07:56:36
SOS
Mario Gomez
We need a striker not a dancer who can't score
The sooner the better people realize including Kenny that Suarez is not a top striker the better
Suarez is a support striker at best
Yes, I'm sure Bayern will sell their top cf to us cause we didn't buy one in the summer and are now stuffed... How much would he cost? 40m? Lol
Are you for real. suarez is technically the best striker in the league, people on here are starting to sound like manutd fans who only support the team when they win,when they lose they say they dont follow football, no team in the world can win every game,would you rather have a sulking torres upfront or suarez who works for 90 mins, i know who i would rather have
Mate, still supporting after 23 years and we haven't won much. So shoosh. Not gonna sit and pretend all is fab.
I would rather have the Torres of old. Honestly, Suarez is too skillful for this lot and not a great finisher. Plus there is all the antics that come with him.
Suarez is a prat
He's nothing like rush, fowler and all the other great Liverpool strikers he's a complete muppet and too many can see that its like the emperors new clothes {Ed001's Note - bit harsh, he is just symptomatic of the new breed of players.}
Kenny should banish suarez to the wings
He's not a striker
We should have bought Demba Ba
{Ed001's Note - Ba? Hahahahaha, nice one! I needed that laugh.}
He has scored more goals than Carroll this season or Suarez
Ha ha ha know all
23 Oct 2011 07:54:47
Kenny may be a king to most fans and he was a great player but all managers are judged on the players they buy and the results they get with the players. Two of his biggest signings started on the bench thats 55 million pounds he wasted on players that can't even start a game. He sold the best striker in our history and bought the worst. He sold our best creative midfielder Raul to chelsea where he has played great. Now we don't have any creativity.
Im sorry but he should be sacked spending vast sums of money and quite frankly wasting it.He rejected the chance to sign mata despite commoli pushing for him, He plays Carra all the time and he costs us at least 15 points a season from own goals and mistakes.
He obviously has no idea what he is doing. He needs to be sacked im sorry his signings are embarrassing.
Furious red
Perhaps you would rather roy returned
MATA is pure class and 100 times better than Henderson or Downing
However much I love Kenny I have to agree with you, had Rafa had so much money to spend we would be challenging for the title.
maka
Or maybe another world class manager,roy was def not our only option,he was the cheapest!
It is the time for Kenny to shuffle our team, especially in defence. I'd play Coates and agger for sure. May be its a bit risky by some thoughts, but Carragher and Skrtel haven't been good too. They too are a risk to depend upon. May be Coates and Agger can combine together and form us a great partnership.
I am sure Kenny would play Agger but do you know how to keep him fit for many then two games in a row the Liverpool medical department can't seem to figure that out?
Was this statement, to make us laugh. Thanks friend. But City has already done that. Agger is a bit injury prone, but who said you that I mean to use him even when he is injured. As I haven't said Carra to retire or to sell Skrtel. When Agger isn't there, we can use them for sur. But atm we do need to change it. As it isn't working well for us.
Rafa would have bought another 74 players that are pants
23 Oct 2011 06:23:50
i think we need to start playing in a different formation.we dont have 2 quality strikes to play 442.
we also dont have a 20 goals a season kind of forward so it would be best to play lucas and adam/henderson in central midfield and gerrard in a advanced position and hope he scores.
no point in playing downing on the right as he cant cross from there.
bellamy is more suited for a sub role where he can inject much needed pace.
kelly ahead of johnson any day but johnson can be tried on the right wing for a few games and see how it works out.
if carra plays then lucas is a must. lucky norwich dint capitalize much on the space between midfield and defense.
ps : kuyt has given his worst first touch crown to carrol and he is wearing it with great pride.
No Kuyt def still keeps his crown mate. Control like a 5 year old again yest.
Really time for a 4-3-3 with Lucas Stevie and Adam or Hendo. We never control CM and too much space as defence too deep. So only way. Then Downing (or Bellamy is he does nothing) with Andy central and Suarez to the right (I think Andy can finish at least). And Agger and Skrtel (maybe Coates) in CD. No more Carra or Kuyt starting.
Bellamy uptop with Suarez?Got to be worth a go!hendo and downing wide.lucas and stevie middle.Kelly,Coates,Agger,Enrique at back_but main point_bellamy uptop with Suarez_anyone?
Bellamy reall isn't a great striker for now. he's turned himself more on the wings. I don't think he'd do great upfront, but definitely worth a try. may be he can answer our finishing concerns. YNWA
23 Oct 2011 06:01:10
To all the eds who r still going on abt us having got 6 more points than last season in 9 games:
Did we spend 100 million to get six more points than last season? Did we spend 100 million to move frm 6th to 5th place in da league.
If that is the case, how much wud mr henry have to spend to get us back to the top? 500 million?? 600 million?? If he really is that smart a businessman, then he shud put the club up for sale, coz he simply doesnt have bottomless pits of money to spend to get us back to the top.
Indian Buzzer
Its not the owners fault because they have made vast sums of money available. The responsibility is with the manager. He has wasted 55 million of the 100 million he has spent.
Is 6 points more than last year worth people calling keeny our saviour! no
23 Oct 2011 05:33:02
GONZALO HIGUAIN!
How much wud he cost, ed? Thats what we need after watchin yesterdays match.
Indian Buzzer
{Ed002's Note - It is not going to happen I am afraid, Higuain is not going to be moving to Liverpool.}
Higuain is back to his best and is scoring for Real for fun. I am certain, they'd not sell him.
If they buy Neymar then perhaps Benzema will be unhappy again.
Heh we going to have another Kun type love in with Higuain from you scousers now?
Why on earth would he go to you ,you don't even play european football, and tbh you don't look like you will next year either
Pardoe
23 Oct 2011 05:31:35
Hey ed, do u even expect a top5 finish after the PATHETIC FINISHING frm our forwards? How long is this gonna go on ed? Our biggest problem frm day 1. WTF is kk doing in training with the players? Really depressing to watch, threw a tantrum on my family even suarez wud be envious of after watchin the match. Wud rather have had only one chance frm bellamy converted than watch all those lollipop chances being squandered.
Indian Buzzer {Ed002's Note - As I said, earlier, I expect Liverpool to be in the mix come the end of the season. It is not possible for me to accurately predict positions.}
Grow up mate, we were all disappointed, kenny is doing fine clarky is a great coach.we have a fairly decent team now,the end of the season that counts not after 9 games, cheer up
Guess your a 'there is always next season' man. So sorry mate. We want LFC to win trophies. That's why they play isn't it?
Yes it is but the team is work in progress.how long did it take and money spent for fergie to get it right its not done overnight
23 Oct 2011 03:49:57
A lot of people are saying Carroll should have started ahead of Kuyt. Ha. If Carroll had started ahead of Kuyt and turned in an equally bad or worse performance, everyone would have been saying that Kuyt should have started ahead of Carroll! Not the first time this has happened.
Keith YNWA
U r right but would kenny tell the reason of signing him for mega 35m, if he isn't good enough to start, even against low sides of Premier league. And he isn't the youngest one who needs some more years to become a regular. He's already 22.
I haven't wanted Kuyt to start for the last 2 years mate. My gran runs faster. Same with Carra.
23 Oct 2011 03:06:02
Hi Edds Pls post this..
I can't believe I'm gonna say this but I feel KK is out of he's depth and I can see the fans turning on him sooner than later.
Here's 2 reasons why.
1)
He spent a hell of a lot of money on over-rated players Downing, Adams, Carroll.
Out's In's
Torres Carroll
Raul M Adam
Aqua Downing
Those (3 in 3 out) show you everything I'm saying Top class players are being sold replaced by okay players (Suarez was signed to play with Torres "just saying" Henderson is for the future) we spent £35m on carroll when we didn't really need too it was rushed and we all the story. We had kuyt, Ngog & Suarez so we should have waited till the summer. Then he went on to spent £18-£20m on Downing when we could have had Mata £23m or Pablo Piatti for £6m far better options. He didn't fix the problem, we needed LW,RW,CB, LB & ST what we got was 2 CM, GK, LW, a young CB, LB & ST/LW now at the start of the summer if someone told me we'd sign those players I would have thought it was a bad dream.
I just hope we don't sign more over-rated British players, we should go all out and get Christian Eriksen, Adam Johnson, Honda, Gary Cahill, Higuaín. To be succesefull we need to spent real money.
2)
Last week against Man UTD he got he's tactis wrong in the last 20min and same again last night taking bellemy off was a big mistake (he was one of our better players last night) Downing never got pass his man and i don't think he put a cross in the box all night, Kuyt kept giving the ball away miss alot of chances, after that showing they should never play for Liverpool FC again. If things aren't working then he needs to change them sooner that last night when we went 3-4-1-2 in the last 5mins he should have done that as soon as they scored maybe we could have scored again.
Theba300
We need a new manager ive never been convinced
Love kenny but remember crystal palace semi in his last reign,was culmination of wierd team choices.and nostalgia for ageing players.DE ju vue?
23 Oct 2011 02:44:02
15 points so far and could have been and should have been more . sunderland, stoke, man u , and now norwich poor finishing has cost us again today . if we had stuck 5 past norwich today they could have had no complaints . bring rushie into the coaching side show em how to do it ! we were putting great crosses in when suarez and kuyt upfront and they not blessed in the air . as soon as big andy went on (and should have come on sooner) the crosses were pants .i know ac missed great chance at the end but looked sharp and right up for it . missed lucas today gerard wasnt getting forward enough and when sg is buzzing around the pitch its sets a higher tempo which today was too slow . skrtel had decent game today which included a crossfield pass beckham would have been proud of .
true red
23 Oct 2011 01:25:49
Hi Ed001,
I was just wondering if i could get your opinion on Carragher mate, am i being too harsh? i just can't see any other way but finally for KK to bite the bullet and start to move for the future.
Because apart from Carra, im pretty much satisfied with every other position in our team.
Jatt YNWA {Ed001's Note - I think he is certainly past his best with regards to games at home like Norwich, games when we need to push up and dominate the match. His lack of pace is too much of a handicap, you either leave yourself open to balls over the top or the defence has to drop deep. If you leave yourself open, you risk conceding goals. If you drop deep, your midfield has to drop off too or leave a space between the two. That means the midfield are not able to press the opposition high up the pitch. If they drop deep to protect the defence, you then leave the forwards isolated, so they have to drop deeper or feed off scraps and hoofed clearances. Jamie is great at what he does, but we are no longer playing a deep, defensive system looking to hit teams with counters. Now we are trying to dominate possession and take the game to the opposition, I don't think that suits Carra, as great a servant as he has been.}
Good to hear your right from a wise head ;)
Thanks for the reply.
Jatt YNWA
Great work Ed. brilliant on expalining that. 100% agreed.
23 Oct 2011 00:56:44
to all fans, please take a breath and think you are all slating our players left and right, yes it was 2 points dropped but this is the PREM there are no easy games. It is fact we are better than we were yes we could have won it, we had lots of chances which means the boys were working hard it just did not happen.
Do you honestly think dalglish was happy at the end of the game? No . He never sat all through the game if anyone noticed. Yes we have spent a lot, that does not mean we have to go and win the prem , it takes time not just money, because if so then mancity should have won the league last year. Some are saying we spent 100 million we should be winning, patience the prem is a marathon not a sprint when all these lesser teams tire out and spurs and newcastle we will be there with experience and a good squad to make the difference.
100 million was spent to correct mistakes and lack of players in the team, we still need to buy more calm down the owners are still being generous and have said if KK needs funds he will get them. Rome was not built in a day. We will learn from our mistakes and this is life.
Patience everyone, Iknow some will we have waited long to win the league well, look how long manu had to wait they lived in paisley's shadows for ages. We will be in the top four, everyone at the club is pulling in that direction. Hibsylfc. Eds what are your take? {Ed001's Note - I have faith we will get start getting the results our play deserves, someone is going to get a hiding soon. We are certainly creating enough chances to roll someone over in a big way, we just need to finish them.}
I agree with the Ed - I genuinely believe that at some stage we will hand out a real thumping to someone, but the fact that we aren't at the moment only serves to highlight the absence of a natural goalscorer.
The original poster is however looking at things with rose tinted glasses. There are games that are easier than others, especially at home. After 10 minutes we should have been 2 up. The fact that we weren't left us vulnerable, especially when Norwich began to feel comfortable in the game. I know Norwich were impressive at castle Greyskull and the Bridge but ultimately they left both grounds with nothing but memories. Tonight they could have won the game. At this moment the big teams are winning / grinding out results when up against it, mainly because they carry a bigger goal threat.
Don't forget it is Norwich that gave Manutd a run for their money, and made them average at best but Manutd finish their chances.hibsylfc
Thanks hibsy for reiterating my point - always glad of the back-up :)
23 Oct 2011 00:55:14
After 9 games we have 15 points, current projections would put us around 60-63 points at seasons end.
Maybe the Ed's can refresh our memories as to what the fourth placed teams in the EPL averaged points wise over the last few seasons. Thanks Eds. {Ed001's Note - between 68 and 76 over the last few seasons.}
Hi Ed001, many thanks, much appreciated. So current form, would suggest the team falling short by 6-10 points. If UCL qualification is what the owners expect and a condition of "performance", it will be interesting to see what resources are made available to KK in Jan. The team can not afford to miss out the Champs League for a third season in a row. I have faith in KK, and the players have to stand up and be counted!.
Hi Ed001.
Many thanks for the info.
Champions League would be the key performance criteria for this season, it will be interesting to see what the available resources are in Jan.
The club have incurred considerable losses over the last 2 seasons by not qualifying for UCL, and large outlays on new players, so I personally do not see a lot of money being available for new players.
We should never lose sight of the fact that LFC is a business, and as such the "books need to balance" (profit and loss statements).
I do feel that any further player expenditure will dramatically impact on the stadium build or redevelopment! Potentially the owners may need to look for additional funding, maybe with limited share issues, unless current and potential revenue streams improve.
"Food for thought".
Shankly's Red Army. {Ed002's Note - I very much doubt any share issue is on the cards.}
23 Oct 2011 00:36:55
And I repeat, Torres was a special, special player and most of us would've realized that today, if not before. I think the reason we, Liverpool FC fans, hate him is the fact that he was the best striker in the world and he doesn't play for us anymore. I think we should finally let go and forgive the lad. Most of you will remind me of the statements he made against our club but I, for one, saw the love he had for Liverpool everytime he scored for us. Had he been on the pitch today, we could've easily won the game. I cried when he left LFC and I still do, everytime he scores for Chelsea. He was a Red and I wanted him to stay the same forever. I'm sure a part of him regrets leaving us. He made a mistake and I'm sure he knows that, we're doing the same by not forgiving him. Remember, it was because of him that we were one of the toughest teams in Europe to beat, when half our team was average at best. Let go now, the boy was the best striker in the world when he played for us and we should be proud of that.
Furqan Red.
I agree mate as much as i hate him now them lad is a great finisher.i'm sure he will scores plenty of goals for chelsea
danny
I have to agree iwas gutted when he left even more so seeing him starting to get his touch back. if he had been playing today we would have won. those amount of chances today i feel torres would have had a hat trick. i think we need to look at the defence, i love carra i think he plays better with agga any day.
As much as I hate to admit it, and to be negative about current players, I have to agree. Torres looks as if he is beginning to hit something like his best form again. What is particularly galling is that Meireles is helping him achieve that. Torres playing in this current Liverpool team alongside Saurez would have been mouth-watering but unfortunately he had other ideas and chequebooks to chase.
The fact highlighted by tonight match is that we need a proven scorer in the mould of Benzema or Higuain to really fire our forward line. If money is tight then I would look at Gary Hooper at Celtic who can finish chances. Just a thought.
Actually he left to win stuff,you weren't capable and he didn't give it a second thought, if you actually believe he loved you then you are deluded, suckers
Pardoe
He left cause you guys are a backward going team. Torres is back and he doesn't care about the reds. He bleeds blue now!
Melbourne CFC
If a man is only as good as his word, then what is Fernando Torres worth after telling the club and the media he'd never play for another English team?
I for one love good football regardless of who's playing it (United excepted) but I for one wouldn't mind if Torres didn't score another goal the rest of his life.
McSnuggles
23 Oct 2011 00:36:08
Carroll should have been brought on around 60th min for Kuyt. Kuyt had a woeful game.
That said, Carroll should be starting alongside Suarez now as his regular partner. If they aren't hitting it off by now then to be brutally frank they never will.
And for Christs sake stop Suarez moaning like a little girl.
I get wht u saying about suarez but you can't say he's wrong for moaning when the ref isn't giving him the time of day.
it was like the ref was scared to award him a freekick because all of the hype surrounding him.
23 Oct 2011 00:20:57
I am disgusted with Suarez he falls over too easy and has an attitude every time he is caught offside or doesnt get a decision. When we signed him I wasnt very happy after what happened when he was at Ajax. I will always support and get behind any player that plays for us but I am getting tired and I feel he is disgracing the club. Whats your view on Suarez Ed?
Ryan YNWA {Ed001's Note - I find myself cringing every time he throws a tantrum, if he just got up and got on with the game we would be a lot better off. It is embarrassing seeing him throwing a strop while the game is going on around him. If you don't get a foul, get up and get on with it.}
Ed001 thats disgraceful man.Get behind your players.suarez is a fantastic player by far the best to watch in the prem and people just want to pick all the negatives.he is no worse than any other premier league players.suarez isn't a diver.okay he throws a few tantrums but he i showing passion for the club and thats what you want
danny {Ed001's Note - if you say so, but I fail to see what is disgraceful about not wanting to see your player rolling around the floor whining while the team is attacking and short of a body in the box. If you think that is how a player should behave, then you are the disgrace. You have obviously never heard of playing to the whistle.}
Like i said though suarez is no worse than any other players.just look at united how many players them have that throw tantrums and surround the ref to get decisions there way.in a ideal world you don't want this but them moaning like this gains them a few extra points a season becose they feel intimidated.people who are saying they don't ilke this are stupid becose were would liverpool be without him at the moment? he was outstanding today so unlucky not to score
danny {Ed001's Note - he was rolling around on the floor throwing a tantrum while we were attacking and missed out on an opportunity to score that might well have cost us 3 points. If you want to defend that, then you are insane, it was idiocy and he needs to cut it out of his game. It certainly isn't gaining us anything and it never gained United anything when Ronaldo or Nani did it. You don't get anything for lying on the floor while the game goes on, you just leave your team short handed.}
By the way ed001 one i don't mean to argue with you.just what i think mate.
danny {Ed001's Note - I understand why you are defending him, I just don't think you can defend him in this instance. If he is fouled and he goes down, all well and good, but if he doesn't get decisions he needs to learn to just get on with it. Not even Messi could help if he is lying on the floor throwing a strop!}
I agree it is annoying to see him throw a paddy when he's playacting, but a number of times today Suarez was fouled and the decision was given against him, or he was incorrectly called offside. I can see why he was frustrated today {Ed001's Note - it would be better to channel the frustration into getting a goal, rather than throwing tantrums.}
23 Oct 2011 00:06:03
I think we need a player like Yohan Cabaye to add some flair to the midfield.
Severe case of MOTD fever?
Stu.
Cabaye is wonderful for Newcastle. Must admit they have had such a terrific transfer window. Just a hop that we'd start finishing our chances. Because I just don't want to hear that on other day we'd have scored this much. Why the other day, it should be on the day.
Had Cabaye in my fantasy team since beginning of the season mate. Knew how good he was. Would have been better than Hendo and cheaper but we Xenophobic at LFC at present. Heck, even Ba is better than Carroll and Santon will be a great player. Perhaps we should pinch Nufc's scouts. Wipe that egg off your face plz.
Hmmm. I guy like Meireles? Lol but we only wanted to pay a full international player 35k a week cause he didn't tackle like Souness did...
Meireles good enough for Chelski but not good enough for us... Sumtinwong here gents. Missed Meireles yest. Gerrard looks to have lost a yard.
What yard did gerrard lose his back yard?
Gerrard is not fit yet matae and should have been brought back slowly.
23 Oct 2011 00:01:49
Here's something to ponder, if Arsenal win their next game, they will be just 1 point behind us! I have nothing else to add except we all have seen the game and like ya all, frustrated!
AG
And Arsenal have been very c@rp this season... Hmmm...
23 Oct 2011 00:01:22
Just returned from tonight's match and have to report that there are a lot of unhappy fans around Anfield at the moment. Over the last two games we have managed to accrue 2 points out of a possible 6 and a groundswell of feeling is that the problem is on the sideline. There were several glaring tactical mistakes last week when United threw on all their forwards. These same deficiencies were again evident this evening. We have a plan A and that is it.
Last week when Utd put on Hernandez we refused to counteract this by playing Agger in a sweeper role. Tonight we needed a goal and Agger came on for Kuyt. The tactics are baffling. Kuyt was poor again tonight and yet Bellamy was taken off. Downing (whom I am a fan of) was allowed to stay on a lot longer than his play warranted. Maxi would have been a better addition to the team and yet sat on the bench. I am disappointed to say that we played a lot better last year.
I know that we are trying to bed in several new players but we seem to be directionless, especially at home. At no stage this season have we played two comparable halves of football. We either play well in the first OR the second half, but not both. I genuinely believe, and I stated it at the time, that Paco Ayesteran would have been a far better addition to the staff than Kevin Keen. He was the real tactical genius of the 2005 Euro campaign and was appreciated by all of the players.
If tonight proved anything it's that we desperately need a genuine goalscorer and that Dirk Kuyt has run his race. All is not as rosy as we all hoped at the start of the season, especially in the organisation of our defence. I only hope that we can somehow string a series of results together and move a lot closer to the top of the table.
I completely agree, and I am really beginning to doubt Kenny's tactics, we need a striker, winger and another CB.
Kuyt's time is up and needs to be replaced, Luke De Jong would be the ideal candidate for me, looks a quality player and is young and we'll finally have a natural finisher, which Suarez and Carroll aren't.
We also need an out and out winger in the mould of Diego Perotti or Adam Johnson for the right side of midfield.
We also need to add a bit of flair and creativity to the midfield, Christian Eriksen would be my ideal choice.
maka
I do not agree with any of the points made above.
I think bringing on Agger was a late decision instead of a wrong one......
Kuyt has always been a 7-8/10 player and he was no different in this game...In fact he saved us many a time yesterday with his defensive skills yesterday.......
We should have moved to a 3-5-2 formation the moment Holt started influencing the game...We needed 3 CBs to counter their forwards.....
3 shots hitting the bar.....One day some team is going to get slaughtered.....Mark m words.....
Bellamy scored a goal but wasnt able to contribute much due to the change of tactics made by Lombart to bring on Holt....
We have all the players we need but lets not become a typical internet fan and start blaming anyone....Give Norwich credit......They played well.....We are not a bad team either.....
Adam, Enrique, Suarez, Henderson, Carroll and Downing.....Thats 6 new players....Any team will take time to settle down with almost 6 new players coming in.........
LiverBird
Brilliant I agree when can we have them all?
Do you think Henry can bank Roll all these, I don't, check his wealth on the rich list he quite poor compared to abramovich and the sheik
Kenny may have spent over 100M however the net spend on transfers was less than 40M since his arrival
Now you want to spend another 100M?
No, just would like 1 or 2 top players who improve the team... Not this local tosh we bought. There seems to be too much politics in the dressing room. I'm not a Maxi fan but surely he could have come on for Kuyt? Kenny has his fav's and I'm not seeing it working.
Maybe with your vision you could replace Kenny?
Are you available?
Liverbird I put the original post on here. You stated that you did not agree with any of the points that I raised. Look again my friend, there are at least 3 that you did agree with.
However, the point of Agger was a late sub but not necessarily a wrong one....what universe do you inhabit? We needed a goal at that stage, the clean sheet had gone. Maxi was on the bench and the crowd all around me at the ground were screaming for him to come on.
I would take umbrage towards the internet fan remark as I travel to Anfield from Ireland for at least 8 home game and 4 away each season with my 2 sons. Between travel, tickets, hotels, merchandise etc we do more than our fair share of supporting the club. Accept the fact that all is not well at the club yet and stop making excuses. Suarez and Carroll have had 8 months to adapt to Liverpool. Adam, Downing and Enrique are not kids and have plenty of experience. Yes they all need time to bed in but they should be more than capable with their experience, or are you saying that we have to wait until next season before we should get optimistic?
22 Oct 2011 23:59:12
Like has been said, out biggest issue is finishing right now. We need another elite forward. If Carroll can't be that guy, we need someone who can.
I believe when we bought Suarez that the plan was for us to play 4-3-3 with Suarez occupying the wide forward position he played for Ajax. What I believe happened is that Suarez was even better than we thought so Kenny wants to play him in the center of the pitch to keep him as involved as possible.
This makes sense but it has issues of its own. To play Suarez in the middle, he needs a partner, because Luis is not a flat out finisher. This should be Carroll, it obviously hasn't worked out that well yet. We've also played Kuyt there, who also isn't a big time scorer. The wingers we have are Downing and then Kuyt/Henderson/Bellamy and possibly Gerrard once Lucas is back. Again, none of these guys are great scorers.
If Suarez is going to play in the center, we need to get him a better strike partner for a 4-4-2. Or we need to change our wide players for a 4-3-3. Playing with wingers with Suarez in the center won't work. We need guys who will cut inside to the space he's created, not players who like to stay out wide.
Basically we have a somewhat mismatched team right now. Carroll is the key. He needs to become the player we paid all that money for. If he doesn't, the team will continue to struggle until they bring in someone who can fill that void.
4-3-3 with Bell or Down left, Carroll centre and Suarez right is the way to go. Let Andy have a run of games and get confidence back. Suarez can create and cut in from the right. And please no more Carra!