Liverpool Banter Archive November 23 2017

23 Nov 2017 20:33:38
Wow they've really turned out in great numbers at the people's club tonight.

{Ed025's Note - arriva are on strike i think al, and the weather is cold, 6000 are at a wedding, 4000 are unwell and the rest wont watch crap mate..

23 Nov 2017 20:49:20
nice one

I was there at Lfc v Chesterfield 9000 attendence but it was once of the best games of the season.

23 Nov 2017 21:48:10
I love the way you can laugh about your clubs situation ed. But I suppose it beats crying.

{Ed025's Note - im all out of tears al, and swear words mate..

23 Nov 2017 22:16:37
Wow a 5-1 home defeat to Atalanta. TF is going on at that club lol.

{Ed025's Note - we are saving ourselves for a good cup run mate..

23 Nov 2017 22:32:50
I almost feel sorry for them.

{Ed025's Note - thats just a blatant lie den..

24 Nov 2017 00:26:53
I don’t feel sorry for them at all! I’ve had to listen to how they’re going to be up there challenging us all summer and I’ve been saying no, bottom half finish this season. This though is beyond my wildest dreams! They are truly awful and show no sign of improving anytime soon. 5-1 at home to Atalanta is a disgrace no matter the attendance or competition. Funniest thing I’ve seen for ages!

24 Nov 2017 00:48:38
Ed 25 don't let your club depress you mate. Support a club worth supporting.

{Ed025's Note - unfortunately blues are born not manufactured Eka, i believe you stick with them through thick and thin but we are all entitled to have a good moan when things are going tits up mate..

24 Nov 2017 07:20:49
Morning ed25 what happened to your lots battle at the top?

{Ed025's Note - i wish i could explain it p1 we are an absolute shambles, and you think you have something to moan about mate..

24 Nov 2017 07:28:23
Ed025
Genuinely hope it turns soon. Don't get all the negativity towards our neighbours.

There was a time when it was Merseyside v The Rest.

{Ed025's Note - i was part of that agger and it was fantastic, i am looking for positives with everton mate but finding it very hard at the moment i must say..

24 Nov 2017 07:51:06
I think it’s a good reminder that

1) when you sell your best player, don’t scatter the funds across the rest of the team, you just end up weakening your previous strength, and disenfranchising the rest of the players (like we also managed to do when Suarez left)

2) you can’t change a significant number of the team and expect them to all click like a team that’s played together for years (unless your name is Pep and you have hundreds of millions to spend) . a warning for all those on this site that want to replace 6-7 players because they think we have no leaders on the pitch so therefore want Hendo, Gini, Coutinho, Can, Moreno, Lovren, Klavan, Migs etc. etc. to be replaced!

24 Nov 2017 08:11:01
Only thing is zimbo they all need replacing or improving upon if our team is to be title contenders.

24 Nov 2017 08:15:42
I was part of that too Agger but it was brought about more of necessity. If your neighbours are doing well what do you do? We decided to almost bend together and be proud together.
It didn’t take long for us to be laughing at them when they nearly got relegated a few years later!
We’re like brothers I think, deep down we love each other but it really is funny to take the p@ss out of them!

24 Nov 2017 09:23:21
Any season would be a lot less enjoyable if Everton weren't in it.

24 Nov 2017 11:45:02
Hi Ed025

Like your attitude. Keep it up.

Very few have the ability to accept reality and have a laugh.

Cheers.

{Ed025's Note - if we cant have a bit of banter sami then its a very sad day, a lot of my friends and relations are reds mate and we are at each other every opportunity we get, it never gets out of hand though as its only football even though the younger generation seem to think its life and death..

23 Nov 2017 16:34:38
Bobby don’t arf put in a shift doesn’t he
Could never knock his efforts
Top lad.

23 Nov 2017 18:12:42
Very true. But sometimes I would like to see the ball and the brain do more of the work.

23 Nov 2017 18:45:55
Bobby does put in a shift and he's a very good player. But let's be honest putting in a shift should be the minimum we should expect to see from all the players for what they get paid.

{Ed025's Note - i agree jayden..

23 Nov 2017 19:15:48
Short passes, first touch, hard work, shot stopping, boot laces tied. are not any barometer of a 0remier league players level.

You don't call someone a good h7man being because there good at breathing.

23 Nov 2017 21:00:58
Yep they ain't digging coal.

23 Nov 2017 21:16:30
I think Bobby should be given the captains armband.

{Ed025's Note - and your reason for that is?????..

23 Nov 2017 21:37:29
He is alive.

{Ed025's Note - only just mark..

23 Nov 2017 21:41:34
Because the luminous yellow armband in European competition would divert attention from his scarily white teeth? Is that a valid reason?

Cheers.

23 Nov 2017 21:54:41
Its nearly Christmas he could take them all out for a drink and organise the transport.

23 Nov 2017 23:16:13
Brilliant answers sorry I have been away for a few hours. Ed025, do you think Hendo is better or more deserving of it? I hate player bashing because I am totally behind all of our guys (although bit tricky with Moreno this week 🤦‍♂️) but Hendo doesn’t Inspire any confidence. He doesn’t seem a natural leader, he seems quiet on the pitch when any decent cap would be balling out our defence on a regular basis, and he doesn’t seem to put the shift in that Bobby does. It think it would be the making of Bobby and in honesty, wouldn’t make a blind bit of difference to Hendos game whether he had the armband or not. We need a bit of a change up and I think Bobby’s efforts should be rewarded. If things were different with Can (ie wanting to play for us for a start) I think he would have ended up the logical choice but his heart has already left the club I think. He hasn’t matched his performance against arsenal since that game for me.

{Ed025's Note - i dont think hendo is captain material either Kd, not only is he quiet he barely deserves to start and your skipper should be the first name on the sheet, i am probably old fashioned but i like my captain to be one of the back four and an imposing figure like a tony adams or a john terry mate..

24 Nov 2017 13:10:34
Bang on the money ed. Could you not try and make ed01 see that? Would hendo get into the Everton side? I doubt it and that's saying something.

{Ed025's Note - at the moment he would lerchy but im not his biggest fan as im sure you know, he is very average for me and if you want to win things then im afraid he cant be a starter mate, myself and ED01 get on very well but we do have varying opinions on players, we both think we are right all the time even though he knows im right..

24 Nov 2017 23:39:49
Thanks Ed025. I was trying to be kind to Hendo by suggesting he shouldn’t be cap, but I think he is also easily upgradable.

I guess the VVD situation, if that’s ever comes off, would give us the big imposing captain in the making in the back 4, but I get the impression from some of the talk on here that VVD coming to us isn’t very likely?

{Ed025's Note - VVD is a strange one Kd, after the debacle of is he coming or is he not in the summer his attitude has been called into question, i dont know if he would be a suitable candidate for any captaincy or even employment by liverpool the way he has behaved at southampton mate..

23 Nov 2017 14:33:59
{Ed's Note - we have posted a new article entitled, Former Liverpool Managers Part 4 - The End Of The Untouchables

23 Nov 2017 16:55:48
love these articles ed. Out of all that you do, the legends list the player profiles, these are my favourites.

{Ed001's Note - thank you very much Scarry, really glad you enjoy them. I do these ones for myself really as I find researching them so much fun, reading all the old news reports from the time talking about Liverpoltians (a new one on me that) etc. It is really interesting seeing how times have changed. For instance these days there is this weird obsession of a minute's applause at X time of a game almost every week, which I just don't understand. In those days no one did that. When Matt McQueen's wife died in 1926 on the morning of a game, they just flew the flags at half mast and went out and thrashed Man Utd 4-2 with a hat-trick from Dick Forshaw. There was no minute's applause or silence etc, they just got on with it.}

24 Nov 2017 02:48:19
Sorry for not replying earlier ed. yea i do love reading these and not just because they are about lfc but because they are from a time ill never get to experience due to my age obviously lol. yea i don't understand the mins applaud.

{Ed001's Note - the way it is described etc, football does seem so much better back then. Footballers were just like the rest of us back then and it was not all about money.}

23 Nov 2017 10:31:52
Hey eds and reds,

Did anyone notice firmino is slightly bulkier and quicker? I mean it could just be my eyes but he seemed to have upped his speed this season. The 1 on 1s he had at west ham and soton for example (or the centre backs were slow, I don't know) .

23 Nov 2017 14:18:57
yes, i have seen that too, I think he has found another gear, only thing was that he was out of gas the last 20 mins against Seville, and should have been subbed, he is one of our best players, and should always be first choice .

23 Nov 2017 14:37:43
Of course he was out of gas Happy. Pretty sure he has played every game bar the League Cup this season. Definitely more minutes than any other No.9 in the BPL this season. At some point, Firmino's going to need a rest and gives Solanke a chance to see if he can have a similar impact.

23 Nov 2017 15:22:57
Agree he was needing a rest after 70mins - we needed a hold up player like Solanke while the lad has run miles every game this season.

23 Nov 2017 18:20:58
Not sure about that he just had 2 weeks off with Brazil. Think he played 5 minutes.

23 Nov 2017 05:21:57
If Lallana get himself fit, playing regularly, why can't he be the captain instead of Henderson?

23 Nov 2017 06:12:11
Because Henderson is already the captain and you just don't remove the captaincy over a knee jerk reaction.

23 Nov 2017 06:29:56
We have needed a new captain for quite a while now. Unfortunately, Hendo's the best of a spineless and weak bunch of individuals who all hide when the going gets tough. Time to scout and sign some real leaders at the back and midfield. That's why I think De Vrij is a good option. He is constantly telling players to get into position, so does Manolas. Instead the club is hell bent on splurging twice the money on a stroller from Southampton.
And can we please sign a proper CDM? Its embarrassing watching Hendo and Gini get bypassed as if they are not even on the pitch every time. Klopp has shoehorned all our midfielders into positions they are not even comfortable playing. Hendo at CDM? Can operating as a B2B player? Gini in a deep midfield role? All of them played out of position.

23 Nov 2017 07:14:34
Even Naingolain will provide steel in our midfield.

23 Nov 2017 07:16:41
Dilak2, it's exactly because he is captain that's why Klopp is forced to play him regularly. He can't be drop. Stripping him off armband will help our midfield to steel up as everybody play on merit.

23 Nov 2017 07:17:55
Knee jerk reaction? It's like these team or individual performaces have not happened before.

23 Nov 2017 07:31:38
I think the point is that ya just don't make a change for change sake. As bad as it gets sometimes, it can also be very good. And end of the day the team and club aren't exactly in freefall. Keep it together and keep building on what we have. It's not sock changing time yet.

23 Nov 2017 07:29:31
@indian buzzer. you say VVD is a good option then call him a stroller. and you say he is constantly telling players to get in position, but the guy is constantly found out of position himself. You only have to look at Saturday’s game to see that his positional sense is poor! Also Gini is not a defensive midfield player and isn’t playing that roll. He’s there to break up play and get about the pitch, which he does fairly well. just because he doesn’t score worldies or do fancy things the FIFA brigade think he’s poor.

23 Nov 2017 07:39:16
Name one quality CDM who will be available in January?

23 Nov 2017 07:40:40
Wow Welsh, maybe you should read Indians post again mate I think you may have gotten it soooooooo wrong.

23 Nov 2017 07:59:20
Welsh 🤦🏻‍♂.

23 Nov 2017 08:03:05
Ummm Welsh matey, De Vrij and VVD are not the same person.
And where exactly did I say Gini is a CDM? I said he should be playing higher up the pitch than he is right now.

23 Nov 2017 09:46:22
My mistake mate. apologies. just seemed so contradicting on VVD I had to comment but I obviously didn’t read it properly while eating my breakfast. you did say we need to sign a quality CDM though, it’s embarrassing seeing Henderson and Gini getting bypassed constantly. I agree with you on the fact we need someone to protect the back four better though, our centre halves can become too exposed and whereas I do like Hendo, I don’t think he’s the man for the job. Apologies again mate, just learned my lesson not to scan read and reply! 🙈.

23 Nov 2017 10:17:59
We need to give up on this. Klopp does not use dedicated CDM's, he just expects deeper midfielders to make more challenges. He's made it pretty clear we he doesn't have any plans to change that, having sold our two CDM's in consecutive summers and made no approaches to replace them. If you like Klopp and want him managing us then accept we will not be adding a dedicated CDM.

23 Nov 2017 11:37:14
Can someone explain why Lallana is more "captain material" than Hendo?

23 Nov 2017 12:38:39
Ron, I still think Hendo should be captain but I think people are calling for Lallana to be captain because he captained saints and you can see on the pitch that he's quite vocal, and one thing I've noticed is that if someone goes in heavy on him or one of his team mates he goes heavy on them back. That's risky for him to do but at least it shows he's passionate.

23 Nov 2017 13:19:43
Because he's not Henderson apparently Ron.

23 Nov 2017 14:31:10
I don't think that we have a player on our books that is captain material, Klopp has not brought in the right players over the time he has had here, he needs to get his act together,
take the Seville game, look at our back four and keeper, who is only ok, we have Gomez, a centre half at right back, Klavan, who is 3rd or 4th choice, Lovren, who was taken off V Spurs cos he was having a mare, then Moreno, who I agree has improved this season, but should have been moved on pre season,
when you look at our defence, is it really a surprise that w let in 3 goals,
sorry to be negative, I just want to see us winning games .

23 Nov 2017 15:32:52
I AGRee with happy but it’s not just up to the captain to grab the game by the balls, I know that’s what we want but it doesn’t excuse everybody else. Ideally you’d want a leader at the back (a controlling keeper or even a carragher type centre back) I’ve stated previously my thoughts of Henderson as captain, I don’t think k he’s the best captain but who in that squad is more deserving?

23 Nov 2017 16:03:01
personally i've never rated Henderson. I'm not saying that because of the Sevilla game neither, been saying it for a long time now. He's an alright player and injury I believe has put him back a step which is understandable, but i've never felt he is what Liverpool needs in midfield to progress to level of say Citeh (thats for you Ed's) I've been wanting a hard nosed CDM at LFC since Mashyourankle pushed his way out to Barce.
And if we want a player to fit this role, does the player realistically have to be made available? Can we not just approach a club, say this is whom we want, what will it take? Coutinho wasn't available, Barce came knocking. Keita wasn't available, we agreed terms.
100% fix the backline/ keeper situation first, but really need to address our holding midfield. even if it's Emre Can for that role, and we resign him (unlikely I know) . But find a solution for it and stick by it.

23 Nov 2017 16:47:49
TDiggity, yes I suggest Lallana because he was captain of Southampton before he joined us.

23 Nov 2017 18:57:52
The only way to get a suitable captain for this squad is to buy one.

{Ed025's Note - when naby comes he will fit the bill mark..

23 Nov 2017 19:18:35
Lallana? Are you kidding me? He was one of the worst for not turning up when someone outside the top 6 came to town last season. Usually after mouthing off in the press too. He's an even worse suggestion than Wijnaldum.

I get it, you don't think Henderson's a good leader. I don't think he's great leader either, tbh, he's just comes across as too nice to his team-mates to give them a bit of kicking at key points in games, imo. But there isn't actually anyone better in the squad currently, and you're kinda proving that point for me with your suggestions.

23 Nov 2017 19:26:58
Here's hoping Ed025.

22 Nov 2017 23:56:50
Happy Thanksgiving to all. I am thankful for my family, their health and happiness. I am thankful that I get to follow this terrific site and chat with all of you. I am thankful for being able to follow the team and the joy that gives me. Ed's, thanks for your hard work
Matt in FL.

{Ed001's Note - cheers mate, have a great day.}