Liverpool Banter Archive May 23 2014

23 May 2014 22:27:31
If Arsenal do bring back Fabregas maybe they would consider selling Aaron Ramsey. A midfield of Gerrard, Hendo and Ramsey with Sterling, Suarez and Sturridge up front. That would be quality.

Red Rum

That's like saying if we buy Sanchez maybe someone can buy suarez. Ramsey is their best player in my opinion. Love your optimism though.

And we'll set a new record for the highest number of goals conceded in a season.

Ramsey could have challenged Suarez for player of the year if he hadn't got injured. Wenger stuck by him after years of him doing pretty much nothing (before this season he'd surely have been classed as just as useless as Cleverly) so he'd hardly sell the lad after a superb season.

No, it's like saying if they are going to spend £30-40m on Fabregas after spending over £40m on Ozil last season, not forgetting the other CM's in Ramsey, Cazorla, Wilshire, Arteta, Rosicky, Kallstrom, Flamini, Diaby etc. Maybe they will be looking to offload several them and I personally would like to see Ramsey at Liverpool.

Red Rum

If anyone could have realistically challenged Suarez for the award, it would be Yaya Toure and not Ramsey (even when fit). Ramsey has had one decent season in his SIX yrs at Arsenal so buying him would be stupid.

Ohio, he is only 23 mate and his career was obviously halted due to him breaking his leg in 2010. You only have to watch him play to see how much he would improve our squad.

Red Rum

Red Rum, your right he is a fantastic player, and he is showing it now that he has fully recovered from that bad injury, people forget how young he is.
But there will be lots leaving the gunners before him I should think. What this question you asked has highlighted though is the strength in depth they have if they can keep everyone fit. That list didn't even include the wide men Wallcot and Ox.
If they add a 20 goal a season striker this summer they will be up there for the title.
Thats why this summer is so important we get it right.

Not in a million years would Arsenal sell Ramsey. With or without Fabregas.

Red Ohio I think yaya toure is the best CM in the world. He should have come 2nd for player of the season, IMO.

Red Rum u listed loads of the centre mids and if they got Fabregas then there'd be about 4 Wenger may b willing to let go then (only 1 of 4 to actually go). Ramsey would not be one he'd let go.

23 May 2014 22:01:45
Hellos eds quick question! Any chance of Rafinha from Bayern? I think if we had Moreno and Rafinha we would no doubt have the best full backs in the league even better than Evertons as there overall game play is superb!

Cheers PDLFC

{Ed002's Note - I cannot sensibly answer questions with "any chance" in. I can tell you there has been no interest from Liverpool.}

Has he not started quite a lot of games for Bayern with Lahm moving to CM?

Maybe 5 years ago Rafinha would have been a good signing.

Rafa bought Degen instead.

23 May 2014 21:34:40
Did we sign Lawrence Vigouroux from Spurs? He was on trial with us last month and Spurs have released him.
Confirmed departures:
Yalany Baio, Vilyan Bijev, Yusuf Mersin, Michael Ngoo, Craig Roddan, Stephen Sama & Jakub Sokolik.

I don't know much about the politics but Baio was looking extremely promising when I last saw him.

Nothing to do with politics. He just wasn't the type of player LFC were looking too.

I believe Vigouroux has signed.

Thanks AG

23 May 2014 21:27:50
The stupidity of humans.


A famous philosopher once said "puny humans"

This week is the first week in quite a long time that one looked at the site everyday. People are letting things really get to them, fans bickering. Making stupid comments, being childish it isn't just reserved to the fans either. Everyone seems to be getting dragged into this quagmire. We just came off the best season we've had in a long time we should be jubilant about the progress we've made.

Whether you like any of the players or not is irrelevant, whether suarez is or isn't a despicable person is irrelevant, whether Rodgers, mourinho, moyes or any manager is annoying and says stupid things is also irrelevant. If they do their job on the pitch. I'd prefer it if they didn't do irritating things but everyone will grin and bear it if they perform on the pitch. Every team has players who make the club look stupid.

Suarez and Liverpool
Ashley Cole and Chelsea
Cantona and united
Zidane and France

But of they win their teams trophies do we tolerate it? Yes of course. Let's just all agree every team has at least one. Player who drags the club image through the mud, one staff member who makes stupid statements to the press. Nobody is any better than an other and its irrelevant anyway. As long as you win.

Start getting along, this place is much more fun when we do.

Nevada

Banter: The playful and friendly exchange of teasing remarks.
Some people need to realise that as fans we ARE going to moan about players who don't play to the standards we want, it's part of football and this site is a football related site. I agree it's great when everyone gets on but we can't all just sit here and say "oh that Glen Johnson has been mighty unlucky these past 38 games lucky I support everyone thru thick and thin! " there will be times when we say enough is enough and he isn't playing well enough to command a place so it's time to look for a replacement.
Nevada you seem to live in a very nice bubble where nobody either has or voices their opinions.

Ur moaning and whinging about other fans moaning and whinging?
The World has now been rectified!

I was referring more to the arguing and insults that have been thrown about a bit but hey if people think it's a good thing that we all insult each other then perhaps I was wrong in thinking Liverpool fans liked to stick together. I was also referring to the grief that the eds have had recently.

Nevada

The eds have had grief for a very long time unfortunately. I'm not sure what arguing and insults you're referring to but just because we're all Liverpool fans doesn't mean we aren't going to disagree from time to time. I think you'll see how Liverpool fans stick together more in the current Hillsborough situation rather than looking at one site and getting upset because some people use nasty words. I'm sure you'd see us all stick together if fans from other clubs decided to post on here tho.

OP you offended me I have been reading this site everyday for the past two years

Why would that offend you Reet?

Nevada makes some good points.

And what good points are those AG?

"This week is the first week in quite a long time that one looked at the site everyday"
Am I the only one who reads this site religiously everyday

I find the irony of someone saying that everyone is entitled to their opinion and we should all voice it would then imply mine is invalid.

The eds do get grief all the time does that mean it should be accepted? People can express opinions without being rude and obnoxious, that's all I was saying.

Nevada

Rent - I uses to be here for a couple of months and then go away for work in Italy, these days I've just recently retrained for a new job and business and its taking up a massive chunk of my time, I'm also still doing freelance work in Italy for the money while my new business gets more clients

Nevada

24 May 2014 14:06:06
Nevada

Mate, what do you do for a living?

{Ed002's Note - I had to edit his post to change "free lance" to "freelance", so perhaps he removes boils?}

That's a great guess ed. Removing boils is exactly my job. Autocorrect often makes us seem stupid.

I was formerly and, still to a certain extent, a fashion model consultant, I spent the last 3 years getting my degree in applied psychology and masters in behavioural psychology and now work as a sports psychologist within tennis and football, I'm.hoping to seal a few hockey clients when I visit the US again next month.

Nevada

{Ed002's Note - Good luck with that.}

Thanks ed

24 May 2014 15:27:22
Nevada

Good Mate.

23 May 2014 20:35:21
Lovren, Rojo, Tello, Heung Min Son.

The last player looks well.

This was supposed to be a response to Harry saying we don't have interest in anyone but Lallana, don't know what happened.

You can add Hector Moreno, Ryan Bertrand, Juan Guilermo Cuadrado, Alexandre Lacazette, Emre Can, Will Hughes, Dani Parejo and to some degree in Yevhen Konoplyanka, Steven Caulker, Ivan Rakitic and Roberto Firmino.

23 May 2014 19:57:51
Hi eds I seem to have been transferred to the David Luiz bitchy moany page. is there a problem with the link?

{Ed002's Note - It is the Chelsea obsessives page you have found.}

23 May 2014 19:32:56
Hi Eds, i've seen reports linking LFC to Getafe's versatile midfielder, Pablo Sarabia. He would be bought in as the creative cover for Coutinho. Do you know any more about this?

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of interest from Liverpool.}

23 May 2014 18:51:33
any information about any deals we're looking to wrap up?
konoplyanka or lallana or can?

{Ed002's Note - No. Sorry.}

23 May 2014 18:34:06
I must admit, I am Jealous at Chelsea FC luck.
Without spending a single penny, They bought 3 brilliant players. Matic, Salah and Costa.

Regarding Costa, has it been confirmed that he is going to Chelsea

And the torres deal?

Harry please go support them. Tired of your slagging off of anything Liverpool do and the greatness of what others are doing.

23 May 2014 20:59:30
Sandom

Yeah. We did bought Carroll with it.

As opposed to 3 brilliant players in Torres, Shevchenko & Crespo who were far from free.

23 May 2014 21:09:10
Benny

That wasn't my statement, That's how my fellow colleagues mock me day in day out.

23 May 2014 21:11:56
Benny

Where did you fine me slagging our player?, Why is it hard for you to take the facts?

Seen many posts from you today at least, how we missed kono to United, this one, and plenty of others just a swipe at how lfc do business. I just seriously don't understand why you support Liverpool. Are you from Liverpool? Like seriously, if you're so unhappy, it's not too late to change, you talk like a young boy so plenty of time to change allegiances.

Maybe Harry would like to see good players at LFC.
Be honest from the following
Aspas
Borini
Allen
Moses
Cissoko
Llori
Toure
Mignolet
Alberto.
Who has impressed us? Who's torn up trees?
Against Chelsea I could see why BR wanted Salah and Willian.
Truth is Sturridge aside our transfers have been absolutely rubbish. None on the list have done anything to contribute to the team.
And people who stick up for Mignolet, Reina kept clean sheets into double figures, won 3 golden gloves in 5 years and came close in other 2. His kicking, throwing n distribution was brilliant and didn't flap as often. Can Mignoler kick past half way line? Looks like a rabbit caught in headlights.

Borini and Ilori were out on loan last season and are in their early 20's. Give them time. Alberto is still young. Allen has contributed to our season and has had some brilliant matches. Cissoko and Moses were loan deals, brought in for added depth in areas we looked light, granted they didn't amaze us but weren't awful signings for a season. Mignolet has had a decent first season. Reina played under the much more defence minded Rafa so comparisons with Migs about the Golden Glove are just irrelevant. On top of this Reina wasn't always the best under the high ball either. I'd again argue that Coutinho has been a great signing.

Stop calling the deal a lucky one. It is smart price of business by Chelsea and hilariously poor dealing by PSG.

Benny Baller, Harry is a serial LFC abuser.

24 May 2014 14:10:26
The Real AG

And you are MR. Liverpool, The Big brother. Sometime I feel the Eds have left it to u to answer.

23 May 2014 17:30:59
Good evening Ed

Hope you completed a decent days work like the rest of us.

Ive RTP and RTFP all day and all week. I no the window ain't open yet but any developments or advances that you no have happened and u can share with us please?

It's the Liverpool page. Decent days work?

Its the Liverpool page, a decent days work?
What does that mean benny?

Was just a stereotyping joke. I'm so sorry, don't hate me lads aha

Oh right benny. ha ha ha

Dezmondo. no.

23 May 2014 19:17:39
Evra signed a new contract do you think that will end their interest in Luke shaw? Maybe Liverpool might be interested?

23 May 2014 20:27:51
No. Back up.

Suspect Chelsea will invest some of their bounty in him.

Evra will be back up to shaw. We have no interest in shaw.

23 May 2014 16:52:04
As I said before Assiadi to Stoke City is on a high probability.
Now LFC has raised their offer for Konoplyanka not sure of the exact figure.
LFC have submitted a bid for Barca Alex Song

23 May 2014 18:35:18
We haven't contacted Kono or the clubs owners since Jan. I don't see him coming to Liverpool.

23 May 2014 16:23:03
Hi Eds, Its not fully related to Liverpool but do any of you know if there is any interest from clubs for Ryan Shawcross. Always thought he was extremely underrated, good vocal captain, a good defender and always feel he's unlucky not to have made the England squad. Cheers for any reply

{Ed002's Note - Try the Stoke page where you should get an answer.}

23 May 2014 15:37:05
Hi Reds and Ed's,

Struggling to get over 50mn valuation for David Luiz. I am happy LFC carefully negotiate and evaluate transfers. There has been much criticism of LFC's ability to close deals. If it were my money - I think I would be the same!

Anyway, there is no way in my book that Luiz is valued at 50mn. I would probably go for 15 to 20mn. He's not being playing regularly and is a liability in defence.

23 May 2014 15:47:57
Imagine How much they will offfer for some of our players.
Sturridge 80 mil
Countinho 50 mill
Sterling 50 mill
Suarez - You could Imagine.

It is apparently the whole package, including his wages.

{Ed002's Note - I am hoping you are all seeing why it is best not to discuss money.}

Yes, very much so.

23 May 2014 17:39:20
The Real AG

Don't think So, Mata was sold at 38 mill (excluding his wages).

{Ed002's Note - Not that either.}

Dont let it worry you too much KPee!

Thanks Marshy, just laughable really

24 May 2014 06:53:54
Sure, think I've opened a can of worms there Ed002 ;-) Get your point. Was just taken aback by the fee

{Ed002's Note - But you are making all of the numbers up - it is one of the reasons we ignore finances. You guess at transfer fees and ignore other costs. It is a joke.}

23 May 2014 14:43:27
Morning Ed's. Any word on the extent of Suarez's injury? Its been pretty quiet. Will our medical team be checking on him or will this be handled by Uruguay? It would be tragic if he misses out on the world cup. but on the plus side. if he does miss the world cup, he should be well rested for next season.

{Ed002's Note - It is seemingly a minor knee op.}

23 May 2014 14:21:34
reports saying we are interested in Konoplyanka again, I hope not, I think he is overrated, a good player yes but not got the pace needed for a winger, we already have Ibe, and Sterling whom I feel a far better, we need to sort other positions first, Lovren, Schneiderlin, Lallas, Can, or Bertrand and Remy would keep me satisfied.

Ibe is a good prospect but he didn't even nail down a place in the Birmingham team on loan, not properly anyway. Another year on loan will be great for him, so imo we do need to sign another winger like Kono.

Have you watched Konoplyanka? If there is anything he is definitely NOT lacking, it is pace. The guy made Walker look like he was in his 40's. Kono is erratic and his end product needs refining, but to claim he isn't quick enough is madness!

Kono is absolutely rapid, it's one of his biggest strengths. He's able to burst away from defenders easily and cut inside, then unleash a wicked shot. I've been keeping my fingers crossed that Liverpool would renew their interest, he'd be a fantastic asset to whatever team got him over here, I think he'd shine in the PL, plus I don't think he'd need a big transitionary period to adjust as he's pretty strong and defends well when needed.

JFT 96

JP

23 May 2014 15:37:54
Kono is direct, But he is a good player. Would love him at Anfield.

You know nothing about Konoplyanka if you think he hasn't got the pace. He is one of the fastest players around.

Konoplyanka is a speed Demon with trickery to match. 12m is a bargain!

He's rapid. But strong aswel. He'd be a great signing

23 May 2014 17:41:05
Chris T

I agree and you could watch him at UTD, We would be negotiating for Lallana for whole summer and would end up another second division player from Spain.

Dude, if he hasn't got the pace then we must be looking to sign Usain Bolt!

23 May 2014 11:54:40
Ed01/02,

Can you tell me, Y have we dropped the interest in Kono, from the point of signing him in Jan?
He is a pretty good player.

{Ed002's Note - I have explained what I know.}

23 May 2014 11:34:49
I hope Suarez puts a good word in for Paul Dummett on twitter, no one deserves death threats be the. Referees, players, managers, this is football for heavens sakes.

23 May 2014 13:54:25
Gerrard recieved, When his head was turned for a move to Chelsea.

23 May 2014 10:49:56
Morning Ed's,

Just saw on the BBC sport website they are reporting that Paul Dummett has received death threats from fans about the tackle on Suarez he got sent off for. Not actually sure how he can be blamed for this injury to be honest. Either way it is horrible to read about and embarrassing from the people who are doing it.

23 May 2014 09:53:23
Is it true we r after Remy that's a question for ed 02 only kidding you sound pissed off ed.keep up the good work eds.

Really don't know why we are being linked with him we have Borini available who will at least work hard and will be willing to sit on the bench
Whereas remy
is on huge wages
Is a one trick pony
Seems lazy and disinterested at times

23 May 2014 12:11:38
Its Media BS, No ways we going to bid him, Infact we are after Bony aswell. Strange, Even the Media has gone crazzy, Whole world knows we need reinfrocment at the back and we are linked with all attackers everywhere.

I really don't understand people on here claiming Borini will be happy to sit on the bench.

Like Aspas? Who is annoyed at his lack of playing time .

Have a dose of Johnny Real.

FYI before hatred is spewd I do think he's a good option of the bench, just don't think he'll be too happy about riding the pine pony

Remy is a natural goalscorer, his wages are not huge IMO

Glowbrix
because he wants a chance to prove himself and loves the club
besides any quality striker will not want to sit on the bench

23 May 2014 13:16:06
Borini will play most of the games coming off the bench, being happy is another thing and playing in CL is another. There would be games, where sturridge and suaez would be rested or chasing some games.
If Borini is moving out, then we would bring another striker, exactly for the same post.

Glowbrix, taking all things into consideration and putting them into some vein of context, I think with the 50 or so games next season that we will be playing that there will be plenty of room for Borini to get a good amount of games. Obviously changes will be made but if Borini stays, he'll get his opportunities.

Suspension, injury and fatigue, let's not forget it's a World Cup summer and Sterling, Suarez and Sturridge are all on International duty which we know from experience will drain the players even more in the latter months of the season.

Borini just helped fire a battered and bruised Sunderland into a domestic cup final and helped keep them in the Premier League, he's got young player of the year in Sunderland for his mighty important goals and finished joint club top goal scorer. His loan should be seen as successful and we should bring him back into the fold a much improved player, imo. (i'm a Borini fan ;)

Bobarton
as far as I remember he is on 100 k a week which is too much for a backup striker and he will cost a significant amount

I seriously don't get why people think you can't have more than 1 or 2 good strikers. Utd have made a living of winning championships and cupsa by having 4 strikers.
-rvp, rooney, welbeck, chicarito
-sherringham, cole, solskjaer, yorke
-ronaldo rooney saha nistelrooy(solskjaer)

I think if borini were to prove himself he wouldn't have to sit on the bench every week, and would start games when we have 3 in a week etc

23 May 2014 15:42:41
Bobarton

-rvp, rooney, welbeck, chicarito.

Welbeck and Hernandez wouldn't start 10 games cfor any team, They are argubaly at best club they could.
Rooney is being played at ACM from ages. Its his 350 k week that's keeping him at UTD.
RVP is the only striker they have, and you know what happened this season when he was injured.

Man City pays such that everyone are happy sitting in the bench, As PSG or Real.

Chelsea don't have a striker.

Harry, sorry man but I disagree with almost everything you've said about Utd. I agree with you on Welbeck. I also agree Hernandez wouldn't get to a bigger club - how many clubs are bigger than Manchester United though Harry, pretty much none.

Rooney is a striker who has plugged a gap in midfield at times but he hasn't been there more than up front. RVP didn't give a toss about Utd with Fergie gone.

Anyway look I agree with what Bobatron is getting at and I think we should be looking to have Borini plus another good striker for the bench/squad. That's with Aspas going.

Well rooney is a striker.I don't really think there's an argument there home fan.
Chicarito didn't get much game time this year but previously he's roughly a 1 in 2/3 stiker that's played 20 odd games. I actually think he's a decent player.

The fact is I could go on in this
Berbatov, rooney, chicarito, owen

I would say each time that UTD have had 3 really good quality forwards and a backup. All I'm saying is it doesn't hurt having different attacking options for a longer season and to bring off the bench. Lord Knows we worry for sturridge and a fair few fans are still iffy on borini

23 May 2014 18:42:23
Sean,

Welbeck and Hernandez wouldn't even start for New castle. Hernandez might, But then after 5 games without goals, he would warm the bench like at UTD from past 3 years.

Rooney is a striker, and Currently playing as an ACM to accommodate RVP and will continue until RVP is either sold or Rooney plays central.
Reduce his wage by half and Rooney would Go.

EPL season 2012/13, Check the top scorers list, You won't find Welbeck or hernandez

23 May 2014 18:43:51
Bobarton

Hernandez is with UTD from past 3 years, He hasn't hit double figures in 3 years, So does Welbeck, What kinda quality are you talking about?

23 May 2014 18:48:15
Man UTD strength have always been their wingers. It has nothing to do with the extra 2 strikers they have, Who haven't gone anything except Moyes getting sacked.

He's been at UTD for 4 years and hit double figures in all seasons bar this one?

I've posted four or so 4 man strikforces UTD have had. pretty much every single one has real quality.Yet we as Liverpool fans think 3 is pushing it?!

if you think wingers win you matches. you go ahead and think that.

Ah Harry that's nonsense. Hernandez looked good up to this season, he has looked extremely rusty from what I've seen of him this season but that's fair enough, imo, as he was barely played. I don't think Welbeck is great but saying he wouldn't make the Newcastle team is just more nonsense. Without trying to diss Newcastle look at your Gouffrans and your Sissoko's and Welbeck and Hernandez would improve Newcastle.

Your point on Rooney - playing behind RVP doesn't mean that Rooney is a midfielder. A lot of strikers drop off. He's still a striker.

23 May 2014 09:11:49
Hi ED's Regarding Luis Suarez's injury and surgery.
Is there a reason the Official Liverpool Website hasn't issued any comments or come forward to support the Player?

{Ed002's Note - I have absolutely no idea.}

23 May 2014 09:43:33
I just hope Liverpool have a say on whether he is fully fit for the tournament, if he is rushed back it could turn out like Lucas struggling to get top form for ages.

I can not believe the messing around and have not sent a cake yet - we're risking losing him.

Hope BR and Teammates wish him speedy recovery through any channels possible.
The silence of BR, LFC and teammates does smell fishy.

23 May 2014 04:14:21
Evening Ed002.

Hope you are well. Quick question. Sometimes you speak of Brendan Rodgers as if you know him personally. Do you? If so, what kind of guy is he?

Looking forward to the sarcastic response.

Daveevad

{Ed002's Note - I have met him plenty of times in the past but I have not spoken with him since he left Reading. He is a nice enough guy.}

With an unpleasant limp handshake Ed?

{Ed002's Note - It was like a rubber glove filled with warm water.}

Thanks ed, u have brightened up what has been a long hard day.

23 May 2014 08:04:13
Eds do we have interest in Morgan Schneiderlin from Saints?

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of interest from Liverpool but others are.}

Arsenal and Napoli are the clubs interested in Schneiderlin