Liverpool Banter Archive May 23 2013

 

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23 May 2013 23:08:04
transfers:
Wilson, Pacheco, Assiadi, Coates, Carroll are out

Reina is trying to be persuaded for 1 more year and Suarez is committed to 1 more year.

New ins:
Vorm (gk), Papadopilous, Toure, Diame.

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So you think we keep reina and buy vorm wow

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Diame going to spurs!

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24 May 2013 11:42:41
Vorm, back up goalkeeper? your having a laugh. From what Macca said about Vorm I take it Reina is one of the 6 players leaving!

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23 May 2013 23:00:19
Read that dale Jennings is interesting few clubs. Any ideas who?

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Who is he?

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He is a left winger who plays for bayern reserves, he was born in Liverpool and played for tranmere I think!

Malak

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Ex-Tranmere kid who went to Bayern, played some reserve level football, scored a couple of goals, Bayern want to dump him as he is not good enough.

Another one of those over hyped English kids.

The real AG

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Thanks Malak

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24 May 2013 12:50:41
Wow, not too many English players over the continent, especially youth players.

WelshBoyDave

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Thats all very good but no one has in fact answered the question. Presume that means No. {Ed001's Note - because there is little interest mate, Cheltenham Town are the only club I know of with a genuine interest in him. Though I would expect Trannie to be keen to take him back too.}

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23 May 2013 22:40:38
I think Liverpool will suprise everyone again by signing players no-one had predicted. Expect the uexpected

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The plymouth left back?

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23 May 2013 22:11:48
Other than Vorm, who does Macca think we are interested in? Or will it depend on sales first? Thanks in advance

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I'd say the interest in Begovic is far greater than the interest in Vorm. I think a lot of the 'interest' in Vorm is lazy journalism due to the fact that Rodgers is the ex Swansea manager.

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23 May 2013 22:23:44
If we're to believe everything we read in the papers or online then apparently there will be a lot of comings and goings at the club this summer.

Ins:

Begovic
Toure
Papadoupoulos
Ilori
Digne
Strootman
Tello
Aspas
Remy

Outs:
Reina
Enrique
Coates
Skrtel
Wilson
Spearing
Shelvey
Assaidi
Downing
Pacheco
Carroll

Eds, out of any of these, which deals do you think will be the most likely to happen? {Ed052's Note - I think the top 4 ins are possible, with Toure likeliest. Aspas is also possible. I highly doubt the others. In terms of outs, I would agree with all but Enrique.}

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Begovic and Toure are both serious possibilites. I can't quite get my head around whether or not the Telegraph just fabricated, or even mis-translated (if speaking in native tongue) the comments made by Begovic.
He is a real possibility, though. Along with Kolo.
I would consider Aspas a chance, but that's it from that list.
I agree with 'Ed052' about the out list. However, I expect Shelvey to remain under contract, although, perhaps being loaned out.

Red7.

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24 May 2013 10:11:01
no waywould I get rid of enrique unless he wants to go he is 1 of r better players in an area of the pitch we r not that strong squad wise. Tommy Irish Red

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Eds, if assiad and downing go and we are not replacing them, doesn't that leave us short of wide players. That is unless rogers believes sterlinbg and Ibe are ready for the first team squad. {Ed052's Note - I can't see Downing going. And Assaidi has played so little, a youngeter could step up.}

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Ed052 so you don't think Digne is a possibility? Was really hoping we can get him in a red shirt. {Ed052's Note - I just dont think he's very likely when we have other priorities, and when hed cost a lot of money}

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23 May 2013 22:09:49
Hearing medical set for thursday 30th may for kolo toure

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24 May 2013 10:32:18
Hope this is true! Good exp def.

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Means 1 less target to get

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23 May 2013 21:35:03
Are Liverpool interested in Alexander Merkel? {Ed052's Note - There were rumours last summer, not anymore though}

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Angela merkel might sort out the finances! {Ed052's Note - I'm not sure Kyriakos Popadopolous would be happy....}

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23 May 2013 21:19:06
Do we have any intrest in leeds defender sam bryam {Ed052's Note - I would highly doubt it. We have other priorities}

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23 May 2013 21:15:07
hey all/eds
can anyone clarify the europa league situation, will we be in it? (fair play)?

thanks {Ed052's Note - We WONT be in it}

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23 May 2013 20:25:18
Apologies for the cut and paste but just found following on net and thought I'd share.


Rumours linking Kyriakos Papadopoulos to Liverpool continue to gain momentum, and if reports from Raphael Honigstein are to be believed it may only be a matter of days before a deal is agreed. Honigstein, who covers the Bundesliga for the Guardian and Sports Illustrated and regularly appears elsewhere in the English press, is widely considered one of the most reliable names in the business when it comes to German football.

"Liverpool are pretty close to landing Kyriakos Papadopoulos, " said the English media's favourite Bundesliga oracle when asked about the potential transfer on a web site. "Schalke would have been happy to sell him to Zenit in the January transfer window, where they had a very good offer of around �20m (£17M) or so.

"Liverpool's offer will be a little bit lower, which is a reflection on the fact that he's been out injured for a while. There's no fear he will be affected long-term, it's just that Schalke have three very good centre-backs, having picked up Felipe Santana from Dortmund for �1m. That makes it easier for Papadopoulos to go. "

That Papadopolous has missed much of the past season with a knee injury will concern some. Yet in addition to helping to keep his fee reasonable for a Liverpool side intent on finding bargains as in January when the snatched Philippe Coutinho away from Inter Milan for well below market value, it will also give pause to sides like Chelsea and Manchester United who are rumoured to have been tracking the defender.

Liverpool cannot compete with clubs at the very top of the table when it comes to finances and silverware potential, but if those sides may now shift to targets with fewer question marks it provides Liverpool the chance to swoop-if the club feels any risk is minimal. With reports in Germany suggesting Papadopoulos' suffered only cartilage and not any ligament damage and that he has recovered well, it appears increasingly a risk Liverpool will be willing to take.

Schalke, meanwhile, remain desperate to sell due to their financial difficulties. Were the German club in better shape, it's almost impossible to imagine they would look to shift a defender who started more than forty games for them in 2011-12 when they finished third in the Bundesliga. At the time, Papadopoulos appeared set to anchor their defence for the next decade and was a strong candidate to become a future captain.

As it has become clear just how dire their financial situation is, he has instead become expendable, with the club happy to swap Dortmund's Santana-both older and, though solid, a downgrade on Papadopoulos at present-and a �10-15M net profit for the 21-year-old Greek. Their desperation, along with a knee injury that may scare off some of England and Europe's top sides, could soon become Liverpool's gain.

Jonesred

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Santana for 1M is a bargain

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Santana for £1m is increadible - they deserved some luck after losing Holtby for about the same but still that is awesome for them. The problem with journalists though is that they gain their reputation largely for how entertaining their writing is. If this guy claiming that a move is days away turns out to be dead wrong, he won't be held accountable or suffer any loss of credibility for it

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Santana is big, strong and fast for a cb, but he isn't really that good in reding the game.
And that, for me is the most important thing for cb.

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23 May 2013 21:07:20
Ed is there any intrest in tello from Liverpool stil cheers. MATTYLFC {Ed052's Note - Im sure we are still tracking him. He may become a possibility depending on outs at Barca or with interest in Suarez}

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Ed is there interest from barca for saurez Havnt heard nothing cheers. MATTYLFC {Ed019's Note - Lots of teams are interested in Suarez. But that doesn't mean he will leave}

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23 May 2013 21:02:37
My thoughts are we will go for d. bent for another striker.
We will get eriksen from Ajax
Pepe will stay as will Suarez he owes this club a lot for sticking by him
Downing will go as will Pacheco and maybe suso on loan tho.
Defenders coming in will be only 1 centre as Coates will get his chance. Jack Robinson will be used for cover for Enrique. Wisdom will go on loan as 3rd choose rb behind Johnson and Kelly. Why every1 is talking about another lb I don't know as Robinson has a great future ahead of him.
Big signing will be a surprise but I think di Maria.
Your thoughts? Jamie ynwa

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I rate Robbo, too.
He's needed this time since his few matches under Kenny. His leg strength and pace from a turn were just lacking, as you'd expect from a 17yr old.
As a footballer, I think he has a decent future ahead of him, and should be considered.
But, sometimes experience makes depth, just having numbers on the squad list often doesn't.

Red7.

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This about he owes the club a lot needs to stop. he paid his dues this season for last season and the fact is he already scored 30goals season in all competitions means he did it at a consistent level and did we miss him at the end of the season? no that thanks to Dstudge and Coutinho!

if he were to leave, then in his wake would be a pile of 6 zero figures around 45-50 of them. I think that would be "payment" enough.

He doesn't have to stay because of anything other than he wants too, and you need to get that.

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24 May 2013 11:36:59
D. Bent? what? LOL

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23 May 2013 20:57:01
As good as Papadopolous is; his knee is far too much of a worry for me.
If we spend 20m euros on him then that's it. That's our first choice CB. If he then gets injured like this year, then we've got another Aqualani on our hands.
IMO Sakho or Musacchio would be better options.
Are either of these 2 available eds?
Would like to hear other's thoughts on this and if you think it would be worth the risk.

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I think he is worth the risk. He is very young, 21, and will only develop as he gains experience. I think this is exactly one of the reasons why we are going for Kolo Toure on a short term deal, in case of eventualities with Papa.

An example, Vidic. He has has injury problems, but he contributed immensely to ManU's success. Papa reminds me of Vidic.

The real AG

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Zouma and Ilori please

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None of us are doctors so we don't know - I personally trust the medical staff to assess whether an operation has successfully removed an issue or whether there is a lifetime problem/weakness waiting there

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23 May 2013 20:50:50
{Ed052's Note - GOOD NEWS. Player profiles are back. We apologise for not getting any up for a while, but please go and check it out, comment, ask questions and request. All is explained in the prolife. Cheers Ed052.

KOLO TOURE player profile - http://www.player-profiles.co.uk/kolo-toure.php }

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Great profile Ed, but where do you see Kelly fitting in, as I had thoughts he would be Jamie's natural successor given time? {Ed052's Note - Thanks mate. I think he will rotate between Cb (depending on how many we get in for the back) and RB, for when there are injuries}

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23 May 2013 20:12:24
Pls ed. Can this aspas of A̶̲̥̅ guy fit into d profile of player that can qualify us for cl football? 2 if br. Is looking for player to ofload borini should be number one but don't know your view about him {Ed052's Note - My views of Borini are widely known}

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Borini try's really hard and seems like a nice guy. For that reason I believe he deserves another season before he is up for sale. I hope he turns it around.

The thing about Joe Allen is that he offers so little and the team actually uped their form when he was taken out. We attacked with a purpose! You don't pass the ball to keep it. You pass the ball to create chances and score goals!

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24 May 2013 08:28:11
Actaully the thing about allen is that he was injured for 5 months, and was our best player for atleast 10 games at the start of the season! Stop spouting rubbish about allen! I really hope not all Liverpool 'fans' have memory losses like you!

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24 May 2013 10:34:48
Actaully the thing about allen is that he was injured for 5 months, and was our best player for atleast 10 games at the start of the season.

Are u kidding me?. 10 gmaes. and in those we collected 10 points. get a grip.
tell me where does he fits in our starting eleven?
if he plays right. out of position. if he plays left our of position. ACM is countinho.
where is he going to play?. DM?. CM?

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Harry, this has all been explained to you so many time - we aren't going to keep doing it if you're just point blank refusing to listen. Although I've seen you bang on plenty of times about how Coutinho won't play 38 games next season so between Allen playing in the cups, some CAM, some CM games we could easily be talking 20 games a season.

And the fact that we picked up 10 points from the first 10 games wasn't down to Allen - he still did outstandingly for those first few months before he got injured

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Get a grip? so what we collected 10 points? he was still the best player by a mile. he was better than gerrard and suarez. Allen is better than Henderson and will prove that next season in a midfield 3 of Lucas, Gerrard and Allen, Coutinho and Suarez and Sturridge ahead of them.

The only one who should get a grip is you, or did you start supporting Liverpool after the season starter to go better?

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23 May 2013 20:45:03
I really hope the Aspas rumour is true.7m euros is just under £6million, which is a steal for a forawrd who's scored 11 goals for a relegated side. He's got good pace and a lovely left foot and in my opinion would be perfect on the right hand side of a front three, whether it's starting or as a sub for Coutinho/Sturridge/Suarez, he'd be a great player to have in the squad.

RedKopite

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23 May 2013 18:57:24
Athletico madrid are suppose to be keen on Reina I wouldn't mind giving them Reina and 30m for falcao we are getting 15m for carroll so only have to put 15m to it we are probably going to pay that for this celta vigo kid an attacking line up of suarez couthino sturridge and falcao doesn't sound too bad does it drop gerrard and erikson behind throw in a back 4 of enrique agger toure johnson backed up by Bergovic. could cost us about 15m bergovic 15m erikson 15m towards falcao total 45m sell the likes of pacheco 3m downing 8m henderson 8m coates 5m skrtle 8m thers 32m net spend 13m plus a few fringe players I haven't mentioned

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Crazy!
Why would he come? No thought about wages, your just picking out random transfer figures.
Crazy!!!

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Haha I love the optimism. I'd give them Reina Skrtel Downing Borini and 20Million for Falcao.

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23 May 2013 18:12:04
Hi eds there are loads of rumours flying around right now concerning Liverpool could u please give me a rating out of 10 for each of these rumours in relation to the probability of them happening? thanks a lot.
IN
1) Papadoupolos
2) Eriksen
3) Begovic
4) Kolo
5) Capel
6) Ilori

OUT
1) Downing
2) Suso/Sterling/Wisdom (loan)
3) Reina
4)Assaidi
5) Pacheco

Thanks again {Ed052's Note - We don't do ratings, but IN; 1, interest but low, 2, interest but low, 3, cost would be a problem, 4, talked to his agent and possible yes, 5, no, 6, looked at and cheap. OUT: Reina, Asaaidi and Pacheco yes, Suso, Sterling, Wisdom and Downing, no}

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Good reply Ed!

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Why o why do most of you think that downing is going. lfc are trying to build a strong squad not keep ripping it apart. downing has prove to be a good squad player as fact first 11 player.

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23 May 2013 18:41:07
Kristof Polgar – Liverpool’s latest recruit

The highly rated 16 year old centre back seems to have a bright future ahead of him following his permanent move to Liverpool. Polgar will follow in the footsteps of fellow compatriots Krisztián Adorján, Krisztián Németh and Péter Gulácsi who have all impressed at youth level for Liverpool. Before the 16 year old, seven Hungarians have had spells at Liverpool and so far all of them have failed to make a competitive appearance for the club. There are still three Hungarians on the books at Liverpool at the moment including Polgar, and there’s a possibility that one of them will eventually make an appearance for the first team.

2011

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Yh, all impressed at youth level

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I hope he is better than Gulasci and Adorjan who seem to following the footsteps of Nemeth out of Liverpool.

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23 May 2013 18:30:48
Question for the eds.
who would you like to see come in
and who would you like to see go out
JFT96 cheers eds great site. {Ed019's Note - Ideally & Realistically I would sell Skrtel, Coates, Downing, Spearing, Carroll & whoever else and I would sign Papadopoulos, Toure, Ilori, Digne, Eriksen and 2 attacking players. Highly, highly unlikely to happen however}

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I completely agree with ed

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For me it would be.
Sell.
Spearing.
Pacheco.
Assiaidi.
Skrtle.
Coates.
Downing.
Carroll.

Sign.
Alderweireld.
De Vrij.
Digne.
Ilori.
Eriksen.
Sanchez (if he can be persuaded).


Jonesred

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Ins: Alderwield
Zouma
Gustavo
Sanchez
Eriksen

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23 May 2013 17:46:48
Eds, would Marquinhos from Roma be an option? Haven't seen him play an awful lot but from what I have seen he looked very good. What's his situation at Roma ( are they willing to sell). Would he be cheaper than papadopoulos? who in your opinion is the better player? And lastly have we shown any interest in Marquinhos?

Sorry for all of the questions but I'm feeling very inquisitive today!

Thank you {Ed019's Note - Roma's Marquinhos has attracted the attention of Barcelona, Benfica, Dortmund, Manchester City and Manchester United}

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23 May 2013 18:27:04
Hi Eds, read this page for a long time without posting! Great page.

Could there be any chance of Fredy Guarin in the summer?

Thanks a lot, keep up the good work.

MV7 {Ed019's Note - No}

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Ive been watching Guarin since his Nacional days in Colombia. He has lowered his game a lot since his move from Porto. If we could get him on loan with option or as a under 7m euro purchase, then it's worth it. He isn't a quoted 15m euro player

RONILLZ

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He's lazy as s**t!
Thinks he's Riquelme and can do things that effortlessly. He is not Riquelme.

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He's actually technically gifted. He isn't lazy as mentioned in these replies. He gives his all and is super fit. And I can confirm he will not be signing for Liverpool.

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23 May 2013 18:19:30
Hey eds. Do any of you lot know of any teams interested in buying Coates? Thanks and take care. {Ed019's Note - There is interest from Italy that I know of}

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I think Napoli, Juventus and Santos were interested in January.

The real AG

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23 May 2013 18:07:03
When do you think we will sign the first one eds? {Ed019's Note - You can never predict timings however I believe we would wish to get things done in the early stages of the window}

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23 May 2013 18:00:30
i think that we need to give a loan out to a lot of our youngsters so they can continue to progress, if we look at arsenal they keep using them and they stagnate and never reach their full potential i. e. walcott: we could use the newly promoted teams like cardiff to give the likes of suso, sterling, shelvey and maybe wisdom (but unlikely him) a run out in the prem to keep them learning and then the likes of blackpool, wigan and crystal palace the promotion pushing clubs in the championship for the likes of teixxeira, sama, ibe and sama. now I know we lack squad depth but if we could get some decent players in I think it could be good. I don't know who in but maybe for defence 2-3cbs depending on who leaves and then a lb, apparantly the left back for porto has been scouted or ally cissoko and lucas digne has been mooted but once again not sure about him as a player as I haven't seen enough but I think these would be good additions. a cdm but I have no clue for who and then a right wing - personally I would like tello or ince (we could use a loan to get him cheaper) and then I think finally an attacking mid. not a young one but someone who is around 28/29 so he doesn't push out our youngsters coming through and they can also pass on some much needed experience. eds what do you think the loan plans are for the youngsters? and feel free to post your thoughts on this/targets other posters.

ben

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23 May 2013 17:51:31
So ed, is toure close 2signing thank u lfc-liquid {Ed019's Note - Read the posts}

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23 May 2013 17:47:32
is there any chance of andy carroll going to newcastle {Ed019's Note - Little}

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23 May 2013 17:21:29
I know this is nearly impossible but one player I would love to see a Red is Ilkay Gundogan. Obviously woth Gotze and Lew leaving Dortmund won't look to sell anymore of their talented players. But does anyone know how much it would cost to bring him in? Obviously I'm dreaming here, but he's a player we could really use.

We really need a hard man in there at CDM as well. I'd like any one of these: Moussa Sissoko, Mo Diame, Ettiene Capoue, or Youssouf Mulumbu!

As for GK I think if Pepe goes to Barca we MUST bring Tello in return! He would be so deadly in our system and style of play. He's got blistering pace, he's very unpredictable, he can supply good crosses, and he can score with either foot. Play him on the left or the right and he's effective. I'm really praying we make the right moves for the right men. Because this HAS to be the year Liverpool secure a UCL spot.

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Capoue would be the only player off that list i'd us to sign. the others will be way over priced

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I think all of this is near impossible.

Also, I don't get this fascination with Tello, I don't think he is particularly that good. I don;t see him as an upgrade on Sterling or in the near future, Ibe.

I personally think we need to go for a versatile winger/striker who can interchange positions like Suarez, Sturridge and Borini can do.

The real AG

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I agree with you on 3 things, 1 I would love gundogan 2 he is unattainable and 3 tello HAS to be part of a deal for reina :)

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"The real AG".
Thanks! Tello is not the amazing player people think he is. There is obviously a lot of potential for a relatively late bloomer. But, as you've said, we've younger players with just as much potential.
Same as people screaming for Bojan a while back. He's flash on the ball, but just NOT a good footballer in relation to the hype surrounding him.
As for Tello, he is a good footballer and all the hype around him has been thrown around the lad by ONE group of people. Yep, Liverpool fans.

He'll be a good player. But, this "must" being used in regards to his signing for us?
Let's just take it down a notch, ok!

Red7.

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23 May 2013 16:37:28
If Carroll does go for 15m or whateva it is this might be not such a financial disaster as much as we thought (in regards to 20m loss for buying for 35m).

Simply because it appears that he is injury prone. If we had kept him this season he would have been out for most of the season still getting his say 70K a week wages and now he's out untill august he was injured when we bought him if we do keep him what's to say he won't get injured again costing us a fortune in wages for a player whos not playing.

If he does leave and go then get injured his value will drop so may not be such a bad idea after all.

That being said I have no desire to see Carroll or any person to get injured

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23 May 2013 16:37:17
Hello.
Is Kolo Toure right or left footed? And what position does he play? RCB or LCB?
In other words, does he play where Agger plays or Skrtel/Carragher?
Cheers

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Kolo Toure is right footed and plays on the right side of defence usually. However, he can play Left sided if required or right back if required, though I don't think that would be a good idea.

The real AG

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23 May 2013 18:57:02
He is right footed

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23 May 2013 16:21:57
Summary of the silly season so far:

Goalkeepers:
Rumours surrounding Renia seem to be picking up pace recently. I could only see him going to Barcelona or Athletico Madrid, as for his replacements we've been linked with a couple of decent but not spectacular keepers. Trapp and Ziegler are the most promising realistic targets coming from the Bundesliga, Ter Stegen is a non-goer for me just too expensive. In France we've been linked with Sirigu and Occhoa but again this is pure speculation and I can't see them moving to Liverpool. What's interesting is the possibility of Victor Valdez from Barcelona out of contract next year they could make him part of the deal for Renia if any deal were to occur. Established premier league keepers such as Begovic would be an excellent option and seeing as stoke are currently without a manager meaning deals could be done faster and without the hassle of a manager moaning. Failing that Vorm remains an option, but I don't think Rodgers will approach Swansea for any of their players this transfer window. Finally I don't think Jones is good enough to be on the bench, therefore Kasper Schmeichel or Alex McCarty would be in my opinion a reasonable backup keeper to Renia or whoever else comes in.

Defenders:
So Carragher has retired, Skrtel appears not to figuring in Rodgers plans after a couple of poor performances and Seb Coates also looks set to leave after to be fair an unimpressive (scissor kick goal aside) time at Liverpool. Replacements well it appears we are moving quite quickly to shore up our defence and gain a balance of a winning mentality, youth and experience. Kolo Toure fits the bill and on a free transfer his knowledge of the game will help bring forward the development of Wisdom, Kelly and Sama. Papadopoulos is one of a number of young talented defenders being linked to Liverpool, his style is like Skrtel in terms of physicality and skilful like Agger, he's exactly what we need and if we can keep him fit we'll concede fewer goals. Thiago Ilori in my opinion is a must buy, faster than Ronaldo, a defender who can play at left-back, young and skilful, images of him becoming like a Bale type of player come to mind and rumoured to be £2.5m. The next few kinda have to be considered because of their availability and the speculation but they will probably end up elsewhere: Douglas on a free transfer would be decent and he would solid enough at the back so he remains a possibility. Alderweireld will most likely join Roma along with Modibo Diakite who we were linked with in the January window. Interest has cooled in the availability of Dede, Sakho, Isimat-Mirin, Pearce and Ashley Williams, while there is some questions about Botia's ability to handle the pace and physicality of the premier league. In terms of a LB its a toss up between Digne and Cissokho, hopefully we get Digne because he is brilliant defensively and good going forward but would cost almost double of what it would cost to get Cissokho from Valencia. Defensively next season we should be more settled and comfortable in the style of play we use, hopefully allowing us to get off to a faster start.

I think i'll do the rest of the positions and speculation summaries later because looking at a wall of text might send a few heads spinning :P

YNWA Kieran

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Dede has gone to Cruzeiro. For less than 5 million. Madness how one of the best upcoming defenders in the world is so cheap yet Liverpool would probably pay over 12m for Ashley Williams

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Solid read

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Lets be honest dede is unproven, brazilian league is not that good

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I've watched Ilori few times in the second half of the season and, don't get me wrong, he looks a very good player but faster than Ronaldo? What yer smoking mate?

RedKopite

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Redkopite he currently holds the Sporting 100m record and it was Ronaldo who he took the record off.

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True. read an article that based on the Sporting speed tests he is quicker than Winker and Nani. however, I doubt he is quicker with a ball at his feet. but the fact he's that fast is impressive for a tall defender

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Dede has gone in a part ownership deal, and Liverpool have obviously decided that we aren't going to pay £12m for Williams. So none of your points are in any way valid 2nd poster

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23 May 2013 16:20:17
eds ihave no idea if the potential signings of the greek and aspas are true, hopefully they are. papa is a fantastic defender and as regular viewer of la liga I believe aspas would be atop quality signing. how ever I have a note of concern papa is not christened the beast for no reason. he is at times a borderline nutjob. furthermore aspas got a 4 match ban earlier this year for headbutting another player. if you then throw suarez into the mix (our very own nutjob)you would have to have som concern. I hope rodgers is paying dr steve richards a substantial amount of money I suspect he is going to earn every penny he is payed.

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Sounds like they have a 'winning mentality' to me

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23 May 2013 16:32:04
R. dunne is being released of a free from villa. Wages will be reasonable. Stick him in the squad? Remember paul McGrath left utd as a crock and played many a season with villa as their best player.

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I am going to pretend this is a joke.

haha very funny lad

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23 May 2013 17:21:34
I sincerely hope this is a massive joke. Dunne is a massive joke himself. He's cumbersome, slow, scores own goals for fun, and turns like an oil tanker.

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Come on man, just think before you post!

The real AG

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Don't give your opinions on what players you would or wouldn't like at Liverpool Waro will go mad lol ; )

dannyMAC

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At least we wouldn't miss Jamie C's own goals

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23 May 2013 15:03:22
I think most of us would agree we could do with another defensive midfielder for competion with Lucas.
Who would you choose?

Phooey.

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Gerard?

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23 May 2013 16:03:07
In a dream situation, Sven Bender. In reality, Capoue would be a great signing.

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Essien .

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Diame

Jak

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I'd have diame tbh. Good ball winner, can burst from deep and give us a little drive from the midfield that we don't always have when Stevey isn't playing.

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Sven Bender sounds like a Boys only Porno name.

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My personal choice would be Sammi Khedira from Real Madrid.
At just the tender age of 23 he is solid, I know a lot would like Alonso back but this guy is quality, he is so good he would probably replace Lucas, but make Lucas work hard to gain his place back, or if ever needed we could play 2 holding midfilders.
I have no idea if he is available this window? Maybe one of the Eds might?
Ps Davey. Loving the porn name lol!

Cheers all
Phooey

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Strootman

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Gonalons would be brilliant, not sure he'd be possible though. Another one of them 'leaders' Rodgers says he's after.

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Strootman easily

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Asier Illarramendi from Sociedad. Unlikely though.

I like Oriel Romeu at Chelsea too.

Is he settled ed002? Any chance at all?

I strongly doubt it.

Realistically though - what players of great quality would play 2nd fiddle to Lucas? - If we get someone, I hope they are versatile and can cover a range of positions - whether in midfield or otherwise.

Perhaps Diame or Wanyama? I like both.

I was here several years back raving about Diame. I remember watching a game where he ate Alonso, Masch and Gerrard alive back when he played for Wigan.

The commentator on Sky didn't seem to notice - so neither did most of the viewers.

That took some doing for a young'un.

I'd take both, and ship Shelvey out on loan - but that might be a little greedy.

Lucas, Wanyama, Diame, Allen, Henderson, Gerrard would make for some strong CM options next season. As good an any team in the country imo.

A lot of physicality added - and as Rafa would say - 'Quality' too. We shall see!

BJH YNWA {Ed002's Note - Romeu has been injured all season.}

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Strootman would be perfect he would also be a perfect replacement for gerrard in 2 seasons.

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23 May 2013 14:59:59
JUST A QUICK ONE MARTIN TYLER ON SLY SPORTS SECTION, LIVERPOOL WOULD HAVE FINISHED 4TH A HEAD OF ARSENAL AND CHAVSKI IF ALL THE SHOTS THAT HIT THE WOODWORK HAD GONE IN AND NEWCASTLE WOULD HAVE BEEN RELEGATED! RIGHT DIRECTION?.

LEEBRED7

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Clearly on those occasions the ball wasn't going in the right direction.

El Pi**edolero

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The ultimate clutching at straws stat

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What about all the times Arsenal and Chelsea hit the post? I guess that is irrelevant? United hit the woodwork the most (24 times), does that mean we should have won the league by 30 points? Pointless article.

Disney!

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Nope, Same as last year me thinks

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23 May 2013 15:45:39
And if all of Berbatov's shots had gone a foot lower Fulham would have won the league. Stats like that are meaningless.
Plus, please don't type everything in capitals, it makes you look like an infant.
John YNWA

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If Reading had've won every game they would've won the league.

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Did it also work it out if every other teams shots that hit the woodwork went it?
The long lists of stats printed in papers this week did make encouraging reading for Liverpool fans though. We where top or thereabouts for all the ones that mattered offensively. But struggled with the defensive side of the game. We seem to be replacing much of our back line and keeper this summer so with that little bit of luck that could be transformed into the rock it once was.

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Hitting the woodwork is great for showing attacking intent and can show how much you were hammering them. However, it's accuracy not luck that makes you hit the post.

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'Did it also work it out if every other teams shots that hit the woodwork went it?'

Exactly what I was thinking.

We weren't good enough at times.

End of.

DaveyBootle

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If Liverpool beat all the 13 teams home and away that finished below us, and lost against the 6 above us, we'd have had 78 points and that total got City second.
DBol

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23 May 2013 17:34:03
The stats were if all shots that hit the post for all teams went in disney, so not really pointless at all.

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Why are you all over him?
i have seen also the article with the headline being Liverpool and spurs would be in top 4.
we learn from statistics. and we know what our strength and weakness are.
I remember once Gerrard said he was aiming too precisely because his shots were hitting the post many times.

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We finished 7th. Move on swiftly guys

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Well leebred7 with a bit of shooting practice and the wind blowing in the right direction put you money on Liverpool to win league. at 28 /1 you never know

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23 May 2013 22:18:01
@ Disney,

what about goooners and chelsea hitting the post?

it's an article about had every team had its woodposts hits, turned into goals, including both gooners and chelsea, then we would have had 4th spot.

I know its irrelevent but. We can take a note from it about our finishing.

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23 May 2013 14:51:31
The Papadopoulos transfer that I mentioned a few days ago has moved along nicely, will Schalke willing to sell. If all goes according to plan, it should be wrapped up pretty soon.

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No it shouldn't shelvy, because if anybody cared to even read the eds answer, we are not even in for him and he would cost more than 20 million pounds!

But you on the other hand will be moving to stoke for 6 million :)

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23 May 2013 22:30:12
The next Macca me thinks people

Kopping a feel

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23 May 2013 14:51:14
I'd take a punt on Flamini on a free transfer be good cover for Lucas was a decent player in his premiership days.

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He signed a new deal a couple of weeks back dude.

Malak

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Ah I see just seen his name on a free transfer list today

Cheers

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23 May 2013 14:46:06
Hi Eds

Do you know if Flanno, Robbo, McLaughlin and Coady are all likely to go out on loan? Ta.

Nibbits

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I think Coady, Robinson and Mclaughlin will stay in the first team, but flanagan will propably be sold or go out on loan.

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Coady, Robinson, Morgan out on loan

Flanagan sold

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23 May 2013 14:28:24
any interest in Joao Moutinho? {Ed023's Note - He has signed with Monaco along with James Rodriguez}

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Actually ed, it's not final yet!

Malak

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But we have no intrest what so ever anyway.

Malak

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Wow, that deal has gone through? I thought Monoco was waiting till their tax situation was clarified? Or did that happen as well?

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23 May 2013 14:19:42
2 seasons ago we bought two players for 55 mill and we are ready to sell them for a combined 25 mill ( if we are lucky). that's 30 mill loss without a doubt.
I wonder the Owners are stil backing rodgers. hatss off to them.
and thank you very much Kenny.

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Well said, The holy trio of transfer failures (Carroll, Aquilani, and Downing) have set this club back years in the quest for #19.

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Are you still moaning about decisions made under Kenny and Commolli? Jesus, get a grip man. Instead of cryw*nking into your Pot Noodle why don't you see it as an extra £25m to put towards the pool of money Rodgers will be given by the owners? This 'glass half empty' rubbish on here is really starting to get tedious. Stop moaning about Kenny, too. He came back when the club was in crisis and did the best he could. He may have made some big errors but you should still show a bit of respect for a man who has dedicated his life to the club. £25m from owners (potentially) plus money for Carroll, Downing (if a decent bid is placed), Coates and Skrtel will equate to a decent enough pot of cash for Rodgers to make some great signings.

JFT 96

JP

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Harsh US Army red.

I don't actually think they have anything to do with it, if I am allowed to refresh you memory we have NOT won the league for 23 years.
I think carroll is 23 now.
They have held the club back no doubt but to suggest they have held us so much back is ludacris. I would say the manager who chose to spend those ludacris amounts on them needs at least 80% of the blame, since its a blame game

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The prices weren't anything to do with Kenny. Comolli negotiated the prices.

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Just to clarify here, what you are saying is 'Kenny and Comolli made some bad decisions, so it's brave of the owners to still trust someone else who wasn't involved in those decisions at all'. Is that right?

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Damage is done move on lads its spilt milk now let's just get behind rodgers and see who he brings in its vital he gets it right.

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23 May 2013 18:51:44
samsam.

exactly.
I was not moaning. but it hurts to see the loss. just imagine if we would have bought some decent players with those money. We would have been in CL by now.
but hats off to Owners. they trust and believe in Br and they actually want our club to move forward.
and let's be honest. KK has to take the blame for both the purchase. no doubt.
it was his decision t buy caroll and he knew we are paying 36 mill for him.

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23 May 2013 18:58:03
JP.
dude hows it going to be an extra 15 mill. when 24 months ago we wasted 35 mill on one player?
nonsense. I am not moaning. but I am pointing a fact. if we would have spend that 55 mil on 3 decent players. we would have been in CL and an extra 40+ mill would have been with BR.

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That's not a fact Harry, like everything you say, it is wild speculative drivel. KK isn't too blame. He didn't decide on the fees, wages etc.

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Just to let you know Aquilani would be the third best CM we have if he were still here. {Ed001's Note - no he wouldn't, he would be too busy whining about not wanting to be in England to ever play well.}

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23 May 2013 14:16:44
Brilliant, the year we don't qualify for the Europa league and there now talking about the winner qualifying for CL.

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That should have been introduce YEARS ago imo.

SR

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Ye but hopefully we get that anyway nxt season, fully behind rodgers, he's making all the right moves

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Never going to happen.

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It isn't being introduced (assuming it is announced) until the season after next (2015-2016), so our involvement this year makes no difference

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Makes sense if CL losers are automatically admitted into Europa mid tournament.

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It's not until 2016.

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23 May 2013 14:12:16
If Reina is sold I am not sure why we should replace him with Vorm.
Vorm is a kind of players who makes saves good to watch. this may be eye catchy but not reliable.
if we sell Reina, we also need to solve the problems we had with reina instead of going after his kind of player. Reina was not good at set pieces because he is short for a goal keeper.
Bogovic

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23 May 2013 15:10:58
reina was outstanding for 5 good seaosns with the Liverpool with the same height. get a grip mate

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I would personally go for Begovic since he has premier league experience. If not, then I hope Rodgers has taken a look at some German keepers in the bundesliga. Vorm is simply not good enough. His fitness is a worry, as well as his height which is important for set pieces. We need more than just good shot stopper.

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23 May 2013 16:42:32
If Macca's rumours are true then I am slowly loosing faith in BR and I am very very very happy with the comitty in place.

Vorm? come on. he is older and shorter than reina, not half as good or even close to have any kind of potential to be as good as reina as he is 30! An sam you asked if he is injury prone, he is very injury prone and have been in and out of the swansea team since he joined them.

Begovic, he costs 15 million, you pay it. The GK position is one you don't mess around with.

I dream of Liverpool never signing any player who have ever put on a swansea shirt before because honestly I am sick of it, matter of time before we change names to swansea 2.

Why I say that?

We want Neil Taylor
We want Ashley Williams
We want Michel Vorm

Malak

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Think I must have been watching a different Reina - absolutely no way was he outstanding in 2 seasons never mind 5.

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23 May 2013 18:09:47
Reina used to be much taller

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John B. if that is correct then the stats don't reflect too kindly on the other keepers in our history considering Pepe has broken many of their records.

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23 May 2013 18:56:05
y does Barcelona want a player who was awful for 5 seasons?.
shortages of keepers in the market?

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Reina, if he goes to Barca, will be a stop-gap for Ter Stegen.

I won't be surprised if Barca sign both, not necessarily this window, then loan back Ter Stegen to 'Gladbach.

The real AG

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Ter Stegen please

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Reina is a whole 5CM taller than Vorm. !

that is a very noticeable amount.

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23 May 2013 14:01:18
Wen do the players report back for pre season {Ed023's Note - Usually first Monday in July}

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23 May 2013 13:43:54
Due to our good relationship with lille (via the joe cole deal) we are now in advanced talks with digne should be around 7 million! Downing WILL be part of the begovic deal and I expect assadi to end up at ajax in a deal involving alderwield or erickson! Cheers PDLFC {Ed023's Note - Is that like the time when Hazard was signing too because of Cole? lol}

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Haha, are you for real?

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23 May 2013 13:43:27
Eds what are the chances of us making bids for wigan pair james mcCarthy and callum mcmanaman both fit the criteria of being below the age of 24 plenty of potential and got premier league experience wouldn't cost a fortune {Ed023's Note - Very slim}

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And neither are of the quality to actually improve LFC. If the team wants to attain top 4 and press for a title they need to aim higher.

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I completly agree with you Army dude

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Ed 23 hope your right!

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23 May 2013 13:40:48
Eds what the chances of spurs listening to offers for tom carroll fits the br profile and would be a great signing {Ed023's Note - I wouldn't think we would be of interest}

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Spurs wouldn't listen to any offers for tom carroll, reminds a lot of people of modric in his style of play!

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23 May 2013 13:40:07
Slightly confused about Andy Carroll, have we accepted a bid for him off west ham? {Ed023's Note - Yes, he has yet to agree to the move but I expect he will}

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Cheers ed, much appreciated {Ed023's Note - No problem at all}

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23 May 2013 13:32:29
Perhaps Toure is being brought in for a midfield role, as it's no secret we lack physical strength in that area?

This still keeps us guessing on a new CB or two. I hope the Ashley Williams rumours amount to nothing because he is pretty average in my opinon and not exactly young for the price tag he is being touted for.

I'm very excited about the prospect of Papadopoulos but the knee injury has me worried.

I think Micah Richards is a likely candidate for us this summer. {Ed023's Note - Toure will be signed to play as a defender}

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Is the Toure deal done ed? Imo he would be a good bosman signing as long as he agrees to a paycut. {Ed019's Note - Not done - yet}

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Surely he can't be on the stupid wages he was getting at city though? If it does go through do any of the eds know?

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We're not after that Toure - we're after his brother, Kolo.

Totally agree on Williams.

Good reports on Papadopoulos, haven't seen enough of him, but I'll trust BR's judgement on it if he signs.

Can't see us getting Richards (any reason for your link to him?)

- he was their young player of the year last year - injured this year - and he is to be offered a new 4-year deal and is already on around £80k a week.

BJH YNWA

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23 May 2013 13:30:59
What is your opinion on Vorm? do you rate him? would love to hear what yous think of him. I personally would rather someone younger

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No rating
shocked he is even being considered
doubt he will be cheap
so we will overspend on a player not good enough in the first place when we could have got Begovic for propably the same price.

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23 May 2013 11:31:50
Hi Eds, great site. How do you rate Kolo T as a player? Do you think he would make a good purchase for Liverpool if they get him? {Ed023's Note - I think he will be a good addition to the squad}

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Do we have kids better than Kolo Toure? Yes! Are they on less wages? Yes! Are they going to be hungry? Yes! Will they be disappointed that a average old greedy defender is taking there spot? Yes!!

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'Do we have kids better than Kolo Toure? Yes! Are they on less wages? Yes! Are they going to be hungry? Yes! Will they be disappointed that a average old greedy defender is taking there spot? Yes!'

rubbish post from top to bottom.
we need to replace carra, skrtel and coates.
2 new defenders is a MUST. we have only Martin kelly who will be fighting for the spot with agger, you want wisdom or sama or llyod to play there? why are we in league 1 all of a sudden?

Kolo toure
Daniel Agger
Martin Kelly
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Andre Wisdom

so I find it so hard to believe people want us 2 replace 3 defenders with 2 players already here one who has is so injury prone you don't know if he will get injured again or wisdom who is so young and I wouldn't trust him alond agger for 1 sec yet!

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Do we have kids better than Kolo Toure? No!

Are they on less wages? They should be, they've achieved nothing in their careers to justify being on high wages!

Are they going to be hungry? Dunno, I saw them play Utd recently and many of them didn't seem to give a crap - playing as individuals, not as a team!

Will they be disappointed that a average old greedy defender is taking there (their) spot? We are talking about Kolo Toure here, I don't know who you're talking about!

If you had a memory that goes beyond two weeks, you'd realise that Toure signed for Man City under Mark Hughes, and was his captain - and was also a regular under Mancini before being losing his place after being banned for failing a drug-test.

He has played for two teams (after leaving Africa) in his career, he's hardly a moneygrabbing mercenary.

You'd also remember that he's an excellent defender - one of the best in the league for the best part of the last decade.

Also - I'm sure BR hasn't forgotten the youngsters - but they are not ready.

Martin Kelly has barely kicked a ball in anger in over a year and will be struggling to get back to 100% - he has also played at RB for all of his first team career.

Wisdom is also untried at CD - although he has done an admirable job at RB.

Sama? Nowhere near ready.

Toure is a leader, and has a wealth of experience. He didn't play too much for City this season, so he should be fresh and raring to go.

The kids may grow into roles at the heart of our defence over the next couple of seasons, but it makes perfect sense to find a CD for now - that can help these kids improve, yet will be ready to step aside in a few years - when the kids are ready.

If we want consistency from the off next year. We can't be relying on unproven kids at CD. This isn't Champ Man where you sign two 18 year old 'wonderkids' at CD and win the league. That doesn't happen in real life.

If the youngsters were to start off badly next season and make a few mistakes - You strike me as the anonymous trolling type who'd be amongst the first here crying about the 'lack of experience'.

Probably calling for BR's head on a plate too.

!

BJH YNWA

ps - I am aware we may not sign Toure. This is all hypothetical transfer talk of course.

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23 May 2013 11:22:09
eds quick question. would it be better to get all the sales out 1st and all the money in generated by those sales so br knows how much he definately has to send? I know its not as easy as just flogging people but just wondered if we would try sell the ones that are going before we start buying. {Ed023's Note - Remember we did last year and look what happened.. Carroll/Dempsey}

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23 May 2013 10:57:15
Hey Eds

Great site. I was wondering, if Carroll was to join West Ham (or any other club for that matter) wouldn't he fail his medical? And does Newcastle really have a 25% sell on clause?

Cheers {Ed023's Note - The club will sign him anyway as they would have his medical history.}

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Newcastle surely don't have 25% sell on fee. They already got 35 mil for him

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NO % sell on. what BS rubbsih is this.

they got F'in 36million!

We should get half that back.

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23 May 2013 17:39:18
The Newcastle fans seem to think we still owe them £6 million and that they have a 25% sell on clause!

And they call us Deluded?

WelshBoyDave

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23 May 2013 08:10:26
Hi Eds,
Just wondering if we sign Toure and we have him and Agger will we still look for an extra cb or would Kelly and wisdom be given a chance? I just can't imagine many better options joining for a seat on the bench. Thanks as always John {Ed023's Note - It's hard to tell right now John. Maybe you're right but a lot will depend on who's available}

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23 May 2013 12:40:19
Any Chance we may offer Skrtel as part of the deal to secure Papadopoulos, he might be the kind of player schalke need as a replacement, it looks like the kind of deal that would suit all parties even if these deals are rare and difficult to complete, any thoughts ed's or reds.

YNWA Kieran.

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It seems that Schalke are bringing in Santana

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If Skrtel is to be sold or is used in any deal it should be in a deal involving Henrikh Mikhitaryan. But I'm not 100% sure whether Skrtel will leave the club this summer.

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I am 100% sure skrtel will leave the club this summer.

Malak

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23 May 2013 12:38:45
Have I missed something? Morgan has No11?
What happened to Assaidi?

Also I have been told that we have seriously looked at more than a dozen players who will be available on a free. Dunno if we'll sign any of them, but we're certainly looking.

Bram

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Maybe 2.

Kolo Toure and Manuel Iturra

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23 May 2013 12:24:26
Douglas and Toure on frees? we know agger and kelly can cover full back if needed.

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Douglas is Inter-Milan bound, if Lucas can't change his mind :)

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23 May 2013 12:21:44
On the LFC website, BR talking about Coats - " He's been here a few years now "?
You do wonder sometimes.
If a mistakes made let's not report it ourselves.

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He has been here 2 years, what's the issue?

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He has been here for 2 and a half years, and the issue is that he wants to play, he is not happy sitting on the bench and ofcourse we are not happy giving him many games because quite simply he is so slow and clumsy he looks Carra look really fast!

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I'm sorry I really don't get this post.

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Are you saying we should either be denying the existence of young players that don't work out or pretend we are really happy with them when we arent?

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22 May 2013 18:09:37
Hy eds
As it looks like that Carroll will leave do u expect
A striker to replace him or u fancy a winger to arrive
And which other positions u expect lfc to bring new players
And any outgoings u expect.
Plz do reply thanx {Ed023's Note - Defence is the main priority}

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23 May 2013 11:35:26
and let's not forget say we will also get more money to spend due to a reduction in the wage bill.

say Pepe was sold for £10m his wages being 100k PW (not that is it)

someone was brought in to replace Reina but also costing £10m but on lower wages let's say 75k pw

there will be 25k pw worth of income for the manager to either add to wages for another player or to use as part of the transfer funds. 25k pw would give you £1.2m in a year so that could be £1.2m added to the transfer budget. get it?

again not saying he is earning that or we will get in a player on 75k pw but that also has to be considered when talking about how much you have go to spend. this is why getting Aquilani, Cole, Maxi, bellamy, Kuyt etcc off the wages meant that BR had few bob to spend despite not making much off players sales.

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Ho can the wage bill be reduced if 100K is still spent on 2 players wages instead of 1?

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23 May 2013 15:04:08
you really have no idea how a football club works my friend.

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Fifa economics. Oh dear.

Redjinal

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Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh simple.

reina makes 90k

replace him with ochoa who will make 20 k

and you still have 70 k a week you can sign more than 2 more players with.

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Whats the issue here? Reina is a high earner if he leaves the replacement won't be on the same amount so the wage bill will go down meaning there is more money available problem?

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He can just go to budget allocation and push the laft analog and tweek the wages budget a bit that's what I do. and also if we loose any matches next season we can just switch off the console and replay it. haha. I never do that though. never have to. redness

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23 May 2013 10:33:39
Ed what's the situation with Di natale of Udinese?
is he out of contract?
I know he is 35, But he looks a real good as a back up striker. twice leading goal scorer in Italy 2010-2011 at this age. good finishing abilities. strong and with pace. {Ed007's Note - He signed an extension last summer until 2014. He was thinking about retiring after this season but has decided against it as far as I know.}

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He is older than me

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Great player.

He'll be scoring goals when he's 40. Like fine wine, he gets better with age.

BJH YNWA

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23 May 2013 10:39:00
Schalke have signed felipe sanatana as a replacement for Kyriakos Papadoupolos.
Now make what you make of it.

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It does seem odd that they would sign someone like Sanatana with other areas needing reinforcing based on their squad today. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that Papa is off, and it definitely doesn't mean he's coming to us!

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23 May 2013 07:07:19
Hey eds great site mate.
U previously said that United are interested in PSV Eindhoven's Kevin Strootman. but mate;David Moyes being Ferguson's successor;is expected to bring Fellani & Baines with him to United. So with Fellani moving;I don't understand why is he after Strootman. Please clarify.
Cheers! {Ed001's Note - perhaps he sees the need for more than one midfielder? Certainly United fans I know want more than one.}

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23 May 2013 09:18:24
I just pray we get a CDM who is physical, fast and care take of himself. don't know of such a player. But that's what i'm hoping our scouts will get and a striker, actually just one striker. Soldado, he could help groom Borini. and bag us lots of goals and win the league while we are at.

P. s. that's what we all want

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23 May 2013 09:06:56
when looking for a replacement for carra ( he can never be 'replaced' mind) would ryan shawcross surely be a brilliant signing for the club recently called up to the england squad and he has be a strong and sturdy defender for stoke for years who would also pitch in witha few goals, personally I believe sktrel is leaving so shawcross would be a perfect additional

Apologises for not being a rumour

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I think you should be apologizing for thinking Shawcross is even remotely good enough for our club.

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This is a joke, right?

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Dont apologise for that not being a rumour, mate.
Apologise for the comments you made about Ryan Shawcross.

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Shawcross is useless in the way we play, he is a bad version of Skrtel who we are already trying to move on!

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I think Shawcross would be a good addition for the right price

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Yep a good addition for the right price to westham or stoke.

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23 May 2013 08:29:41
I don't know why everyone is thinking Kyriakos Papadapoulos is great. Have you seen his injury record. He is always injured. I would rather get samba.

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Agger was always injured, he's turned out alright hasn't he? With the correct medical team they can definitely bring the best out of players. Look how quickly Borini returned, Kelly is back in training and Lucas returned quicker than expected. In my opinion Samba is definitely not the answer, he's a renegade on extortionate wages, definitely not a good fit.

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23 May 2013 10:52:40
The Brazilian samba dance. ?

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Samba lol the money hungry 29 year old? not only on high wages but would require a nice fee as well. no thank you.

lets see before papa's serious injury that set him our for say 6months

he had only been out for a total of 63 days = exactly 9 weeks over 18 months that is a normal amount of time.

and serious injuries can happen to anyone look at kelly and lucas, borini.

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Here his record of injuries:


Season

from

to

Injury

12/13 29. 11. 2012 Unknown Knee-OP
12/13 05. 10. 2012 19. 10. 2012 Virus Infection
11/12 18. 04. 2012 25. 05. 2012 tear in the abductor muscle
10/11 19. 04. 2011 25. 04. 2011 hand injury
10/11 14. 02. 2011 25. 02. 2011 Torn Ankle Joint Ligament

Seems a bit of harsh to call him injury prone.
but hey maybe I'm an optimist

Stoffe

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What rubbish are you talking? He has had a major injury this year. Aside from that he's never been out for more than a month

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Ive never watched papadopoulos to judge, but I've seen enough of samba to say he is so bad.

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Get a Grip

The Cobra

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Lolololo SAMBA? Qpr payed an outrageous ammount to land him thinking he would save them from relegation only to suck a major load of balls. I would rather blood wisdom or Kelly because samba is a overplayed overrated useless player who would become a joe cole or aquilaini.

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I wouldn't take any of them to be honest.

Kolo Toure seems to me as a much lesser risk than £ 20 million on papa or
£ 12 million and 100k a week on Tango

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23 May 2013 07:06:29
What the situation with jonjo
Is it likely he will be moved on?

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No chance the lads talented and will only get better

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Ask him, he's on here.

DaveyBootle

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For his own sake, Shelvey needs to move on. Not Liverpool standard i'm afraid.

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No chance?

Big D am sorry you are overrating him way to much. no workrate, no pace, no urgensy, and to rash in the takle, lacks the engine for midfield and anybody comparing him to Gerrard are clueless beyong limits, yes because I remember gerrard when he broke on the scene, he was getting better and better each minute of each game, not each game, shelvy is getting worse and worse and seems to have lost all confidence in the little abilities he already had.
Shelvy and Downing need big big upgrades.

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He's got to stay, he's a good player.

DaveyBootle

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He is only 21. He will improve given the time.

Too many of you on here expect too much from our youngsters.

Red Lee

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23 May 2013 04:24:37
Think we should try and get another Philippe Coutinho type deal by bringing in Porto's Juan Iturbe.

He is still only 19 (to be 20 by the time next season kicks off), fallen out with the club over playing time.

Obviously Coutinho has played A LOT more games for Vasco the Gama, Inter and Espanyol than Iturbe has for Quilmes, Porto and river plate.

But even at 20 he could still reach a level that would see him turn out a profit 2-3 years down the line. He cost porto just over £3.5m and should be available around £4.5m with a further £2m in performance related add-ons.

Unless we make a loan deal to sign him next summer should be show enough promise to convince the club to drop £5m-£7m on him.

He won't be first choice RW but he would provide good cover for Downing or who ever holds the RW spot in the starting XI next season.

Fast, left footed so can cut in, very good close ball control and probably more ready than Suso is. Won't affect sterling nor Ibe as they play on the left.

Another thing suso can start to be played through the middle like BR did on the last game of the season when he replaced Coutinho with Suso. in that AM role you don't need the pace as much as you do on the wings. Suso's his vision and link up play is also wasted in the RW role.

Same thing goes for Gremio's 20year old striker Leandro only difference he would probably only cost 5m euros MAX. and with Morgan not able to make the step up when he was given the chance with Liverpool or on his short loan, ngoo looking like he might be off which is a shame, Yesil will probably have a slow start to next season due to his injury and Bijev unlucky not to have been granted a work visa sooner.

This kid has been given his first Brazil cap 2months ago and before the likes of Porto takes him and then slap a 25m euro release clause in the contract (which is a neat trick to draw attention on a player BTW) and make a 200% profit three years down.

This should be FSG's policy, not spending £15m-£16m on 20-22 year olds from Britain. but under £7m for 19-20 year olds from around the globe, so that more money could go towards preferred targets.

Here's the logic; you buy three players for £4m apiece, not all 3 has to make it to the very top level just 1.

where you spend £15m on 1 player who is seen a future player then guess what that's the one that HAS to make it = added pressure. (we were fortunate that BR got Henderson to step up otherwise that was a £8m-£10m loss, we were so close to trading Henderson for Dempsy and thank f**k Henderson turned that down).

Which I believe is the reason we signed players like Teixeira and Yesil because what is 1million for service of a player on top of a potential fee rising up from £3m.

and before that rafa bought soo many youngsters like ngog, insua, lucas, agger and skrtel included. (3 of which are the core of the current squad).

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Nicolas Capitan, dosnt matter how much we have 2 pay 4 him, 20, or 25, this player its wery skilfull player, brendon don't dare on buying another player from your old club, or old reserve teams.

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I got contacts at spurs, I was told of the young spanish players they are interested in! These are three of the germans on their german list; emre can, sebastian rode & matthaus hunter! Quality players that WE should also be tracking! Do you know if we are ed?

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Good post I agree Leandro will be a very good player in the next few years and as you said he will most likely end up at Porto like most South Americans, i'd be happy with those 2 players as they have good sell on fee, young, will only get better and have pace & trickery.

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I may be wrong here and the Ed's may be able to explain better, but Porto's Juan Iturbe was interesting the likes of Man U and Barca about 18 months ago, but I think they have held off untill he has a Portugese passport. Portugal and Belguim seem to be a route into Europe for South Americans and Africans, which explains why there are so many young players from there.
If you look deep enough you will find articles on Wenger and a club in Belguim, and how it was more or less a front for bronging in youngsters from Africa.

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Though I do like Iturbe, I can't see it happening because, as you've said, he's fallen out with porto over playing time but then you propose that we use him as a back up.

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To the op you make a lot of sense.
I still think that we could do with a little bit of experience in the squad.
I'm unsure wether this talk about Toure is true or not, and personally I'm unsure he is the answer. Due to injuries and his lack of first team games.
But we do need a defender who can head the ball, defend set pieces, and score a few at the other end.
I feel we should make this position a priority not rush in on any deal, think about what we really need.

Phooey.

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Sign him as back up?
he has started making trouble at porto becuase he is back-up? sounds awesome.

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23 May 2013 02:18:01
1 thing is certain it is far to early to say Suarez is 100% staying.

(trasfer window is even open yet)

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23 May 2013 11:28:53
Yeah. Supposedly BR has said 'Suarez does have a price' which I found a bit troubling. We'll see

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Every player has a price. Every player can be replaced.

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He said all players have their price.
dont make BS up

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Br also said if suarez wants to go he has to tell the fans it was him and not the club who made the move

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23 May 2013 02:01:47
With the probable sales of Carroll, Spearing, Skrtel, Reina, Pacheco it is surely possible with a little cash injection from the owners to go after Erickson, Papadopolous & Begovic would love to see coates stay and get some game time in the 352 formation we have been giving a crack lately also Eds any word on the situation with Assaidi

Great site keep up the good work lads

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23 May 2013 00:30:27
Hi Eds. Not a rumour, just an opinion on this Andy Carroll situation. Maybe we should give Brendan a bit of credit. He seems to give the impression for not wanting Carroll based on purely his inability to fit into 'the system'. However I think it goes deeper than that as Carroll has been out with injury for which will be a total of 17 months in the last 5 years if we are to believe the latest.
Obviously BR doesn't want to jeopardise Carrolls value by stating this reason but it wouldn't surprise me if his susceptibility to injury is also a major factor for wanting to get rid.

BaldyRed

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I think it's more to do with him being a drunk, and a lousy footballer.

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Reading the tea leaves is a dangerous task that can lead to all sorts of silly conclusions

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Anonymous and constructive - and knows nothing about football obviously.

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22 May 2013 22:47:57
Hi Eds, could you shine some light on something for me please.
Last season Skrtel was voted player of the season and his partnership with Agger seemed set in stone. This season its obvious BR doesn't rate him, don't know if it was because of the Oldham debacle or something else? But what I don't understand why BR would consider replacing a 35 year old Carragher with a 32 year Toure who barely kicked a ball last season and will command huge wages? If BR wants the defence to play a higher line then surely the future would be to buy a good young CB and to use Wisdom and Kelly as third choice CB. Only Man City kept more clean sheets than us last season so the defence/keeper isn't too bad.

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Kolo Toure = Free Transfer may work out to be cheaper than buying someone for 20million + wages and then losing them for next to nothing. Kolo could be cheaper on higher wages compared to what is on offer. True, but Kolo is a natural footballer, physically everything I would look for in a premiership defender. Might get 2 seasons out of him before a free transfer out.

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Collectively as a squad you need a blend of youth and experience and with Carragher leaving its a massive void. Every squad needs it's experience in the mix.
The Toure deal for me makes sense.

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It's mainly for build-up play.
Our defending has been ok (not on set pieces). But, the real issue comes from having a starting point to getting our build up play right.
I guess Skrtel is just not considered much of an ace in that department.

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We played more defensively under Kenny the new system needs the right style of players.

if u want examples then Skrtel back pass Vs city, the Reina/Skrtel muck up Vs City when Aguero lobbed reina and was then out muscled by a non league striker

I think Skrtel is still a good option if he can sort out his awareness but I also believe he has a fee we could use to strengthen elsewhere with Kelly/wisdom being adequate enough to replace skrtel

either way we are 7th, moving up but changes need to be made to other wise we'll be reading the same book again hoping for a different ending

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I think it all started with the back pass to Tevez. Then making fouls around the box.

I'd still say we should keep him unless a £12m offer is made. Maybe all he needs is a companion in the team?

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Probably because it's human nature to get complacent once people start praising you. Skrtle has been poor this season. We need competition for places.

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23 May 2013 07:40:59
kolo toure is a leader.

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I would think that the best thing is to leave transfers to the manager. Skrtel has been very bad each and single game he played this season apart from 1 game! Sorry but he needs to go, as for toure, you answered your own question, replace a 35 year old with a 32 year old seems smart to anyone who understands how valuable experiense is at the back. Toure has played a lot of games this season, and his wages will be almost nothing! stop complaining. Let the manager do what he wants. If it doesn't work out he will get the sacK!

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23 May 2013 09:07:11
Mate, Skrtel has had one good season. He's always been error-prone - massively so in fact - just watch the Man City game at Anfield again. He threw away what should have been a hard-earned win. That's just one example of the mistakes he makes. His passing/distribution is very poor. He's just not good enough for Liverpool. It's not just one poor game against Oldham.

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I think our problem is more 'when and how' the goals went in, not how many. The goals against West Brom, City, Southampton, Villa, Spurs etc in the second half showed it perfectly - we need to be more physically dominant in the are and organised on the floor. It's a decent defense, it just needs another angle on it

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Kolo toure is a stocking

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Harry Scousser, literally a couple of days ago you were berating people for saying how posters were commenting on Kolo Toure was strong, quick, a former captain etc, and now you say he's a leader. Care to explain this slight hypocrisy?

JFT 96

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Thing about skrtle is he hasn't been the same since his nasty injury

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I agree Sam. We need a right sided centre back who is good with both feet and in the air. But most importantly he needs to be quick so that when Johnson gets caught up the pitch he can come across and cover his position, both the west brom games Johnson was poor at defending, and I'm sure they knew he would be!

Phooey.

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Stop making excuses for skrtel. he didn't have any bad injuries this season. rubbish!

and Jp Harry propably checked a screenshot of kolo toure on football manager and found out he was decent or something! Haha

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Classic Harry!

The real AG

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22 May 2013 23:51:41
Callum Mcmanaman (wigan)

He should be the first guy we sign this season, pick him up cheap, Liverpool born too.

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Yh if our ambitions are low

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23 May 2013 08:20:45
I must be missing something here. Just because he was born there, he should play for us? Rubbish! He had a very good game at FA final (i admit) and a few on here saying we should get him for that. If he is that good then Everton wouldn't have let him go. No offence to the geezer but I see him as a flash in a pan and being another expensive flop.

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Not for me but the song would be so great and so obvious.

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He will block the progress of Sterling, Ibe etc, while he is not now not better than them.

The real AG

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Nonsense.

A few good games and a cup final for a player who hardly shined in a relegated team.
I still remember Charlie Adam

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He is a Blue Nose

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23 May 2013 09:00:17
I completely agree. He seems a real prospect. Putting aside his horror tackle, he has been magnificent in a pretty woeful side. He was great in the FA Cup final. He's a blue sadly, but then again a lot of our greatest players were!

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Sure let's sign joey barton, kevin nolan and scott dann as well, and wayne rooney is available as well

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So was Fowler. Shows even God can repent and be welcomed in to Heaven.

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Everton let bains go he went back and we let ince go and want him back I think everton let jagelka go as well and got him back so mcmananman is similar.

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Wouldn't want him personally. He appears to have some talent to his credit, but when I've watched him this year it's a lot of movement and no end product. Sure he takes players on, but i'm not sold on his vision. So he has a great FA final match and we should sign him up now? Thinking we should save our cash because our youngsters are better.

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22 May 2013 23:38:49
Is there any intrest in Tello or Deulofeu think any of them would be a good edition and add more pace on the wings

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22 May 2013 23:35:49
Hi eds,
I'm a big fan of the youth players we have coming through at the moment, which youth players do you see possibly making their first team debut next season?

Cheers

Henlow red

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I can see Texiera making a debut

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Ryan Mclaughlin
Joao Teixeira

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I can see a few playing some part next season, mainly in the early parts of the cup, i'd say the following:

Ryan McLaughlin
Lloyd Jones
Stephen Sama

Conor Coady
Kristoff Peterson
Texieria
Kristian Adojan
Marc Pelosi


Samed Yesil
Michael Ngoo
Jordan Ibe

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In other words I've never watched them to find out

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Texiera. Looks like he will have a very bright future.

Apples '96'

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23 May 2013 11:48:19
Texeira has to be given a chance. He seems really promising.

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Texiera, McLaughlin, Pelosi (depending on recovery) and Lloyd Jones all likely to make debut's in early League Cup rounds I would say. Yesil, Ibe and others already made theirs. A lot of youth will definitely travel out on the tour and be given a chance much like last year.

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Did we buy texeira? If so who from? {Ed023's Note - Joao is it? We bought him from Sporting Lisbon}

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Really looking forward to seeing Ryan McLaughlin, reminds me of Rob Jones with an end product

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Big D I doubt we will see Ngoo or Sama or Adorjan! they are all out of contract and still to be offered new deals. to be honest they are the most inconsistent as well at the u-21

Marc Pelosi and Samed Yesil have injuries that will keep them out atleast half of next season so they will propably be intreduced the season after that or at the end of next season

Llyod jones far to young and inexperienced to be given any kind or shape or form of football for the first team next season! Central defence is the only position along with the GK where you just can't experiment!

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Sama, Adorjan and Ngoo won't be at LFC next season I think.

Pelosi, I have high hopes.

The real AG

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22 May 2013 23:34:37
Not transfer but RIP to the Solider Murdered today! Thoughts go out to your family!
YNWA
Taster123

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22 May 2013 23:13:45
I think Abate should be targeted for RB. faster than GJ and better dribbler, similar to McLaughlin

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Yes, and expensive and playing champions league next year.

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Other positions are of greater importance to strengthen, CB, LB, DM and CAM

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Spot on love watching this guy

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If we wanted a player similar to Mclaughlin, why wouldn't we just start building the experience of Mclaughlin?

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Because people doesn't know about those great youngsters we have sam!
And just want us to buy buy buy,
anyways.

Jack Robinson
Ryan Mclaughlin

we really don't need to spend on any fullbacks anytime soon. Wisdom and Kelly also play very good as RBs.

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22 May 2013 23:08:53
Would love Eriksen, Papa & Begovic, But That's realistically closer to 40m. Which I don't think we have. What do you think eds?

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Well with an alledged £20m starting transfer kitty.
£15m for Carroll sale, that's £35m.
Plus any other fringe sales, Spearing, Pacheco, Coates, Flannagan etc.
Plus possible Reina (if we're buying Begovic it means we've sold Reina) and Skrtel sales would equal roughly £22-27m.
So a kitty of £40m+ would be very easily achieved.

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With Carroll sold then we might, but we'll then need to sell Coates, Skrtel, Reina etc to cover the remaining positions. It's not completely beyond all realms to sell those three plus Assaidi for over £30 mil, which would cover a young centre half, left back and a winger/fourth forward.

Papa G

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If we sell Reina, Skrtel, carroll, spearing, Coates and shelvey we would obtain enough funds. not 40 mil, more like 30 mil max haha but to ad the extra 10 mil surely would not be that great a bother, would it?

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Just got 15 for carroll plus owners are giving 25m if we sign begovic its only because pepe has gone that's 50m in the kitty 40m after begovic

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Eeehh. the names mentioned would generate at least 45 million.

reina-at least 10
skrtel- same as reina
carroll- 12
spearing-3
shelvy-6
coates-4

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22 May 2013 22:45:34
Kyriakos Papadapoulos reminds me Predator!

The real AG

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22 May 2013 21:57:06
hey edds, just wondering why all the seria A teams seem to buy most of the young south americans? is the work permit system different over there or what? would prefer to see young players like coutinho coming to the PL when they are 17-18. {Ed002's Note - It is case by case.}

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22 May 2013 21:43:04
Hi eds, who do u think are realistic targets are for the summer window and do u no how much funds we have available, do u see us being interested in any of these players, kjear, Scott Sinclair, Adler, Ashley Williams, Mcmanan. Also who do think will b leaving?, downing, shelvey, skrtel, reina maybe, would love 2no your thoughts on this, also is kolo rumour serious as not sure bout him, but good starting business early and he wouldn't cost us a fee, jus hope wages not2high, and that big AC's 15m is going to b added 2war chest
Cheers
Adamsy

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