Liverpool Banter Archive March 23 2012
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23 Mar 2012 22:28:32
I've really enjoyed this season despite our league position. We are playing a lot better football than we have for years under Rafa. Our youth set-up is looking great. I think we are only one decent goal-poacher away from a challenge on the league - if we had a young Fowler or Rush all season, how many of those 0-0 draws would have been wins - all the missed penalties, the shots against the uprights? One player could have made the world of difference this year.
I hope we have Kenny at the helm for the next couple of seasons and a shrewd centre-forward purchase in the summer to perfect his master-plan.
cozinoz
Agreed
Tom in wolves
I have also enjoyed your season. Only 28 points behind the leaders. If United only had Ruud Van Nistlerooy or Georgie Best all season we would be 40 points in front of you. One player could have made the world of difference.
No doubt next year will be different!
Oh yes you mentioned a prospective "shrewd" Dalglish investment in the summer is required, what like Carroll, Downing, Henderson and Adam?
Next year Scousers, always next year!
Eric Banterna x
Lol @ Eric.
You've gotta admit folks - that is a pretty funny reply.
Sometimes it takes the outsider to point out just how absurd a seemingly harmless post really is.
BJH YNWA.
At least you'll get one or two trophies this year, eh Eric/sir Alex xx? Well, maybe just the one? Er....it could all go a bit pear-shaped despite your points, eh? :) Don't worry though, I'll be dropping by to remind you of your usual arrogance
cozinoz
Mr Banterna... I would like to point out that we have bought awful this season but have yet still managed to play some exhilerating football, won a cup and going back to Wembley to try to win another. Yes our league form has been atrocious but this has been with awful players tat we have signed(bar some), our star player whoops two stars (lucas and Stevie G) missing for most of the season and our new star player banned due to difference in language interpretations of one word which Evra and Fergie played out rather well again. Not to mention we have playing with an expensive donkey up front for most of the season (however, the donkey is starting to turn into a horse so we will see next season)..... so yes we have almost enjoyed our season and will enjoy it even more when you win Bugger all :)
Speeds
WOW, The first bitter to Manc to mention Henderson and Carrol, no other Manc as done that before, and should we now mention all your bad investments or your massive debt? Just the same old boring banter from another Manc totally obsessed with Liverpool LOL
Come back when you've learned how to banter, the same old crap is SO boring, or try to grow up instead and stay on your own page.
MR EM
I wouldnt worry too much about next year...not when your better players are nearing forty and there is no money for players.......your time is coming manc, you might be top this year but it dosnt disguise how awful youve been all year
23 Mar 2012 22:22:02
Sometime this season would like to see.
Riena
Johnson
Agger
Skrtel
Enrique
Downing
Gerrard
Lucas
Sterling
Suarez
Kuyt
It's our best team on paper, but Lucas won't be fit and Sterling isn't ready.
Papa G
Give Carroll a start. He can't do good in the last minutes as substitute. He has done well mostly, when he starts. Give him chance to make that partnership with Suarez. As for Sterling, I hope, he and Suso would get a few cameos this season. YNWA
23 Mar 2012 22:58:27
Don't worry all us real fans who support the club unlike most of you no mark/know nothing so called fans will get behind Kenny. He has done more for this club than anyone and deserves to take us anywhere he wants. I'd follow him into the Championship if it means having to cos he's a legend at the club. I know the owners feel the same way and will still give him cash to spend in the summer as they know there is not one single manager in the whole of the league that can do the job like what Kenny can. All you people who are moaning about the results you know nothing about anything to do with the game. The real fans like me and my mates know more about the game that any of yous lot. Just shut up and appreciate what the King has done for us. Without him we wouldn't have got Carroll and for the price we paid for him we've got years to get value out of him. The real fans like you lot are not will always support the club and what Kenny will have to say when we win the Champs League will make all you nobodies shake with fear and shame. I've been a red for longer than any of yous so called fans and me and my mates are the real fans so just shut up with all the netagivity. You know f* all about the game and Kenny does. Jeez! none of you have ever played the game like him and so what gives you the right to shoot your mouths off eh? Nothin, absoletly f* all! I'm a real fan, wot about you?
Kenny is a legend love him but that doesnt give him the right to wreck the club! LFC are bigger than any individual! I support the club not Kenny, his current record is not good enough the club can get better therefore the club should go and get better.
The only man who is bigger than the club and he would never have felt he was is BILL SHANKLY!
Regarding Kenny it is simply...
TIME TO GO
Get in there mate. bit f**kin crazy like but fair play to u mate. full on support to the club is whats needed.
bulford-widnes ozy
What are you talking about, wreck the club. It was in a sad state when he took over, he has improved things dramatically.
He's clearly taking the piss.
lol.
Very good.
BJH YNWA
Well £110m later we're no better than under uncle Woy
I agree with you first poster but I will say that just because you can play or could play that doesnt mean you can coach. When he took over as boss he inherated a great team and then everything went backwards. He saw a sinking ship and ran. He then only won the league at Blackburn thanks to one very rich man (at the time) and then left after Man U dominated everything. He did nothing else after that. He is a very good person to have on board to inspire you and steady the ship which he has done but tactically he hasnt got a clue.
I do think he will stay for another season and I pray we get a prolific scorer and wingers to supply Carrol and maybe then we can really judge his return.
Yeah, i improved things. Like spending 100 m £ and then get a 7-8 spot in the league. Yes!
Im a fan ,my mates are fans ,anyone i know are fans ,my dog is a fan ,i know all about everything you don't unless you know my dog who is a fan oh please stop this crap and stop fighting with other fans
To the no named poster who says its time to go for Kenny, why dont you crawl back into your bunker, or finish your homework like a good little boy ?
Dalglish has made enormous strides considering the state of the club when he took over. Even the QPR result, although very disappointing showed that for 77 minutes we were unplayable, a great testimony to kennys shrewd tactics and playing style he is trying to instill in the players.
We are NOT the finished article yet, but the foundation stones have been laid. Players will come and go, but all new players will have a smooth transition into our famous club, unlike the preceding few years.
I make no bones about my total admiration for a man who embodies everything that is great about Liverpool Football club. He looked after us during our darkest hours and is universally adored and loved by supporters worldwide. The Hillsborough tragedy had a devastating effect on him but he still retains his love and passion for the game. He was a world class player, eats and sleeps LFC, has given passion back to the club, and even though there are times when the players dont meet his expectations, they are still a very exciting team to watch...AND SUPPORT !
You have my backing kenny, in the good, the bad and the ugly times.
Tel 1949
23 Mar 2012 22:54:19
eds, how much was joe cole getting a week last season? josh {Ed001's Note - his basic salary was, if I remember rightly, something in the region of 75k, but he also got a very large signing bonus spread over the course of his contract, which upped it to around the 90k mark. It was something like that anyway, the final figure was the same as the basic salary he was offered by Spurs, that much I am sure of. So he didn't join for the money, I have to give him credit for that, even if I have never rated him as a player.}
I have to say fair play to j cole for that then lads,movin a coupla.hundred miles away from home for no extra cash. i used to rate him highly, even had j cole on a england top once! was the world cup stevie was injured for. j cole jus got off to an unlucky start with tht sendin off and never made up for it! and injury record is s**te
bulford-widnes ozy
23 Mar 2012 22:50:57
modern football is defined by " impatience" , fans want instant results. After every game that we lose or draw.. i am so furious. I want Kenny out and some of these ( u know the list) players out. But in the next few days i cool down. I realize that we need to have some stability in our club after what has happened in the last few years. Yes, our club has a great history, but what is happening now, is also a history in making. It is great to have high expectations but there should also be sense of realism. Just because Kenny spent 100 million in transfers, does not mean we will get immediate success. LOOK AT MAN CITY plz and there turnaround time. We have a team with great potential ( yes i do believe it 100 %).
Yes, i know some of the fans have waited a long time for our club to be back on top and have heard " work-in progress" many times, but please be a little more patient. Just because you wish something to happen does not make it reality.
Conclusion : we need more time ( with or without Kenny).
PANKAJ
23 Mar 2012 22:05:47
Kenny has been there for Liverpool fans at the hardest of times, why is it so much to ask for Liverpool fans to support him?
Stu.
He did it for free? {Ed001's Note - he went to every single funeral he could physically make after Hillsborough, do you think he got paid for them? He has done more for the fans of the club than any man alive.}
I was ignoring the Hillsboro' issue as it is crass to put it into this point. If we are being asked to support KK I take it as in the context of a manager and player/manager and what he has done in terms of those parts. It is dangerous to cloud the subject by bringing up that fateful day. He will always be very well respected for his devotion to that cause and his efforts on everyone's behalf. Stick to the issues relating to his managerial stewardship of the club. {Ed001's Note - well then people shouldn't make stupid remarks about him being paid. Nothing crass about pointing out that he has done plenty of unpaid work for the fans, just like it is not dangerous to suggest he deserves more respect than a few nameless toerags calling him names. I have no problem with people putting their point across with regards to why they don't think he is the right man for the job. I do have a problem with people showing him a lack of respect.}
Well said Ed1! It's the Lack of Respect which is saddening.
Lyndon
His behaviour after Hillsborough was exemplary and above and beyond the call of duty. Anyone using the word 'crass' in any reference to those days ought to be ashamed of themselves. Perhaps that's the reason that he failed to put any signature to his post. Kenny carried a huge burden throughout the remainder of his time at Liverpool (even though he did win things) and unfortunately the fans didn't give him the support that he deserved and had earned at the time preceding his departure.. Many of those fans are failing to give him support now.I think that the normal fans among us know that his connection with the club goes beyond being paid to be there. Whatever happens now Kenny Dalglish will go down in history as one of the greatest adopted Liverpudlians with the likes of Bill Shankly and Bob Paisley.
Dutchmal
Thanks Ed001 well put. Criticise KK if you feel the need but show him respect for all he has done for Liverpool FC
Nameless Poster
Very sad.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
Exactly what i was getting at. The man deserves my utmost patience and respect at the moment, and thats exactly what i am going to give him.
Makes me speechless when fans say Roy didn't get the patience Kenny is getting, the key difference being that (for the unnamed poster):
On the pitch, Kenny has been there and done it with us, the league, the cup.
Off the pitch, which i DO think matters as it shows the lengths he's willing to go to help us.
Stu.
Dutchmal, Hillsborough has absolutely nothing to do with how kenny's team is performing this season. Quite simply as the manager, HE was given a massive tranfer fund, HIS signings with those massive tranfer funds have hardly performed to a high standards expected of LFC, HIS tactics and gameplans and substitutions are at the least, questionable and HIS handling, along with the club's, of the Suarez incidents are also poor.
HIs team has underperformed, and the owners, the club and the fans are quite within their rights to question whether Kenny is the right man to take us forward. From a purely business perspective, the owners were expecting nothing less than a top 4 finish for commercial reasons and the added revenue a CL spot would bring to the club that they invested in.I would think that as it stands that kenny's position as manager is tenuous in the owners eyes, and HIS position as manager will be reveiwed at the end of the season. Clearly, the expectations of the owners are not being met, as it stands, at this moment.I for one , wouldnt bet my house on kenny being the manager next season.
Steve
Well said Ed 001.people don't see or get the full story about the man who gives everything to the club and nearly put himself in a early grave doing so.
Maybe some fans need to rad his book then they'll find out the true story and why we call him king Kenny.
Dalglish = legend
Back when dalglish was playing football, he was the best in the world, Paul scholes is half the player Kenny was, heck, gerrad is half the player kenny was. Let's say this, if Stevie came back to the club to manage it, would u turn your back to him after he had a bad place in the league, but won us a trophy and a good chance at a double?
23 Mar 2012 21:56:17
Its nearly April and we have only won twice in 2012 thats worse then blackburn. How has kenny still got a job. I work in sales if i don't get results i get sacked.
Um...because KK doesn't work in sales?
I was thinking he means
If he didn't ask you if you wanted fries with your burger he'd get the sack!!
Lyndon
23 Mar 2012 21:06:33
Ed I think we should have a vote on having a "positive posts only day" starting from tomorrow..
Ed...?
Could brighten the room up a bit
I'd rather read what Steve Parker has to say than fabricate any good stuff for the sake of it m8
Shhhh Steve
23 Mar 2012 20:19:06
Ed do clubs have to pay tax on like transfer fees such as Liverpool received 50mil for Torres if they do how much would have went on tax {Ed001's Note - I am not an accountant, sorry, I really don't know how it would work on transfers or how they could be accounted for.}
Great question. That would take alot of money out of the clubs bottom line
23 Mar 2012 20:49:36
Look for all those slagging Kenny including myself its time for a re-think! The post below copied from further down the page really does put a different perspection on Kenny.
Hang around Blair.
To see the Biggest icon the Club as ever had slagged to the Hill.
The same Man who went to almost every Hillsborough Funeral.
Which affected him that badly he left the Club.
Enjoy Yourselves!
Lyndon
Absolutely Lyndon. I too have gone fickle fan results only mode and said Kenny should go. I actually dreamt about it and in my dream my 6 year old was mascot at Wembley in the FA Cup semi and when I came face to face with Kenny I thought about Hilsborough and how this guy in front of me picked a club and city up off our knees, I thought of Marina, his kids and his amazing ability as a player that I grew up in total awe of.
I gave myself a major reality check and humbly apologised to Kenny for ever questioning him one iota. When I woke I realised if I'm hurting just now how much must Kenny be hurting, answer ten times more. Kenny doesn't look well and I for one am going to shut up from now on and just get behind the team regardless of how I feel about some players or how results go.
Time to show the class we are renowned for, magnanimous in victory or defeat. It was easy growing up as we always won but now is the time to stand up roar no matter how tough it gets, god knows many other clubs without our success have to.
Football is a religion to us and after my dream I'm proud to say I'm a born again red.
Long live the king....YNWA
ALB.
I'm one of those who want kenny out and I'm no ashamed go say it and I sign my posts too,and yes kenny is a true legend and what he's done for hillsborough Speaks for itself but he's not the man for the job long term,when we needed him he came and steady the ship and his presence lifted the team,so even tho I want him replaced he deserves a bit more respect than he's been given that said if we win the FA cup that deserves another year but I would like to see paco
I agree has been a great emotional ambassador for the club and city, perhaps he should be given back his ambassadors job
This topic is endless and just going round in circles. Get it right for once will you! The real issue has been distilled to a simple matter of telling posters that we do have right to ask questions. It's really not about KK's tenure as manager in the second instance, but one of saying we won't blindly support no matter what without asking awkward questions. I suspect this has dragged on for so long because too many posters have said people do NOT a right to question KK because - and then fill in whatever epithets and respectful homages to the man you want. The Libyan people and the Iraqis were told they couldn't question the Great Leader. KK is respected but not to that extent!
The Man getting slagged off after "one" full season is the issue!!
Lyndon
23 Mar 2012 20:39:13
I think we should test few young guys now. there is no way Liverpool can be top 5.
r-r
23 Mar 2012 20:24:16
Well 9 games to go, plus a FA cup tie.
My feeling is we will finish 5th and hopefully take the FA cup aswell. I feel this season we have just not had the luck on our side! Especially when it comes to scoring goals! But also sometimes the officials seem to not want us to win either.
We have had a lot of issues both on and off the pitch,lost players through injury and bans which again those were big losses, and the other players couldn't step up and make up for their loss.
KK done a very good job, ok position wise we could do better but that goes back to what I said early re luck.
I'm sure next season will see a different team, more gelled new faces. Only then can anyone judge KK. Not after one season and the carp he's had to deal with.
Lee73
Well 5th is not impossible but I don't think us finishing there. I think we'd still be at 7th at the end of the season. :(
Hey buddy! Stop blaming other things on our league position. We're in 7th because we deserve to be in 7th...everybody had injuries and you create your own luck...good or bad! So be a man and take it on the chin
Ok 'buddy' we will see eh!
23 Mar 2012 20:15:24
Hey Let's get behind Kenny and the team
this is gonna take time but the signs are good
and lets get behind Andy Carrol , he didn't ask to be priced at 35 million and he's not had a good run in the team but it reminds me of When Fowler never really wantrd to Leave Liverpool but was forced out , Same for Andy i'm sure he wanted to stay at Newcastle as they are his club , Fowler never really had leeds in him , but his a red now so get behind him
K.O.B
23 Mar 2012 19:43:29
As a man Utd fan I was just wondering wat the liverpool fans think of benitez. I just find it weird how he stayed in Liverpool and the rumour every now and again that he might be coming back. Surely it can't and won't happen. But as an example if Liverpool finished 7th and only won the carling cup would kennys position at the club be under threat. The new owners might look at Benitez and think well he got Liverpool into the champions league every year. Djay
Frank Reiijkard I will prefer.
The owners might look at what Benitez did with a highly successful team in Italy, or what Reijkard can do with a wealthy international side.........and decide Kenny is a much better option
cozinoz
As a man united fan, do you lot get a percentage of the ticket money back when you leave old trafford with 10 minutes of the match left? What do you think about having Atkinson back in charge at Man United?
But Rafa took over from Mourinho, and let's be honest did'nt last very long. So maybe we should find out from Inter fans what they thought of Rafa?.
23 Mar 2012 19:20:49
Glen Johnson, just beat Scott Parker and Robert Green to take win the Sport Relief Omelette Challenge Trophy...
I don't care, I'm having it - that's another Trophy for the Liverpool cabinet!
Might be all we'll get for a while
LOL.
I needed that. Good one.
The Real KB
Is there any club who can claim to have more Sport Relief Omelette Challenge Trophies than Liverpool? Thought not. Dream on, Chelsea.
cozinoz
He's been left with Egg on his face
By a few defenders this season
Bet he was a natural!!!
Lyndon
23 Mar 2012 19:05:58
I know a lot are shouting for KKs head , and looking at the table I can see why.
But look in a lot of games we have been the better team , like Wednesday night we just aren't finishing teams off.
KK looked at improving the squad last summer which he has done , so hopefully this summer he only looks at 1 or 2 quality signings.
LAVERS
A decent goal-scorer this year would have made all the difference to people's opinion of KK and our league standing. Hopefully, we'll get a serious poacher in summer and be a real threat next year
cozinoz
23 Mar 2012 18:55:16
Okay,I've had enough. There are no such things as Kenny fans instead of Liverpool fans. Grow up. No,we do not think everything in the garden is rosy,we don't have Kenny blinkers on,and no,we are not all in the Kenny brigade. What we try and do is give the site a balance! There is so much carp posted about sack sack sell sell,sometimes I feel the need to post,declaring my loyalty to the club,and,by default,the manager. I see what you haters see on the pitch,okay,results have not been great,but I will continue to support the club. I will continue to support Kenny Dalglish like I did Rafa and Gerard. And before anybody says no I didn't give that support to Woy,because we didn't play exciting pass and move football. League form has not been what we expected,but I will continue to support my side. I will take slow progress. If this makes me a 'Kenny Fan not a Liverpool fan' then so be it. WelshBoyDave
Your a Kenny fan
All real liverpool supporters are kenny fans.
23 Mar 2012 18:54:30
You have to give credit to The Fans of 2nd/3rd Div clubs who Travel up and down the Country Every other week to see their Club get beat more than likely & never win a Trophy
Bet they have a Grumble!!
But I Doubt they show as Much lack of respect as Many on here. Be it about players who have only just joined the Club or The Greatest Player the Club as Ever had!
Saddening!!
Lyndon
I'll take the coming stick on the Chin.
But will never stick the man who signed a 10 birthday card that my Late dad posted to LFC with our address on it and he took the time to Sign and Post back KING KENNY
23 Mar 2012 18:32:05
Hey Eds, just thinking, what's your opinion on Pazzini of inter? He looks pretty good, I've been watching him since pre-season and he looks like the type of finisher we need. {Ed001's Note - he looked good as a kid, but not seen him since sorry.}
23 Mar 2012 18:22:47
Glad to see a lot more people posting their Support for Kenny. I know the season has not been our best but we are playing good football we just struggle with the Scoring part (i know its a major part) but lets try and keep the faith and dont say things like "wrong team selection" or "he doesnt know what he is doing" or the most favourite one of the last month "Sack Kenny"...So dont say these things because Kenny knows a hell of a lot more than you guys, also he lives and breathes LFC again a hell of a lot more than all you Kenny/LFC Haters, so all in all just Support the team they have a quality manager and he WILL fix the problems within the team...Y.N.W.A
MJ
Roy Hodgson knows a hell of a lot more than you. Did he get your full support too?
Ash {Ed001's Note - but Hodgson knew nothing at all about Liverpool.}
Well said MJ! Dale B
29 games of a season is enough to give an indicator of a team and the managements performance.
I'm not one for sacking Kenny, but 29 and same league position needs reviewing after spending over 100million.
It's not just being unlucky - my concern is that the response is, we'll just keep doing the same thing and working hard etc. That's fine, and I agree, but tactically something is clearly not right... Most shots and lowest conversion in to goals, every set piece against us I'm holding my breath.
I think Kenny knows this, so... we'll see what they can do. Maybe we need to start winning ugly to begin with?
The he's on a par with kenny so the same position in the EPL after the same number of games in the EPL
I agree MJ.
To be honest I did believe we would easily make top 4 this season, thats because the second half of the season , when Kenny took over we finnished 2 on points. That in it self says Kenny is a good manager and anyone who is slating him should think about that.
This year we've lost a player who's one of the best DMF in the prem, three quatres of our team are new signings, new young signings who need time to gel. The Saurez ban also never helped us and our striker wasn't match fit. We've hit the bar 25 times but the football most of the time has been lovely.
Next season with the sqaud we have now we will make top 4, add a couple of signings and we will be there for sure.
People need to give the manager time to fix the problems insted of crucifying him for not performing miracles.
stick by and support and stop winning.
Ynwa
Tizer red
{Ed001's Note - but Hodgson knew nothing at all about Liverpool.} but Souness did and nearly destroyed the club! Next point? {Ed001's Note - you make no sense. The question was if Roy Hodgson had got the guy's full support and I was pointing out a reason why Woy got no support from the fans. What the hell has Souness got to do with it? Or were you just so busy trying to be a smart arse you never bothered to understand the posts at all?}
The difference with Hodgson was the Style of Football we played for me!!
Lyndon
23 Mar 2012 18:07:26
Kenny Dalglish's men have 42 points after 29 games - exactly the same tally as at the same stage last year. Difference is weve spent money, progress? you decide.
Get it into your thick skull:
Last year, this time, who was our manager?
And who are you calling on to be sacked now?
What progress
We've won a cup and are in for a shot at another, our style of play is far superior to that of last year, we just need to capitalize on our chances, so i would say yes we have progressed.
I agree it's not good but then the progress is the fact we've got rid of some deadwood, we've won a trophy and we're in a semi-final too! If that's not progress then i don't know what is!
Same in the league - WAAAAAAY better in the cups. So basically we've added a cup and a semi final to what we had last year. Maybe not worth 100 million but in my opinion winning a cup is PRICELESS!
BthekingB
And more trophies than we had last season
2 great cup runs? you decide.
A younger, better sqaud, you decide
Tizer red
In my opinion we have lacked a natural finisher. Call me too much of an optimist but I still believe Carroll will keep improving and will come good. Is it not obvious that we are trying to work on his all round style if play to make him a more robust player than just the battering ram he was at Newcastle? Everyone knows Suarez is a great player and I don't need to say anymore about how he will continue to be influential on the pitch. Keep looking forward instead of brooding about what's behind. We should be fully aware that Liverpool fc is a work in progress by now and there are plenty of signs to be optimistic about. It's not going to happen overnight but it will happen if we keep supporting and believing. Just look at how long it took shanks to build us up. This is real football not FIFA 12 where success is made through hard work belief and support. SJB
23 Mar 2012 17:57:28
Would anyone take Crouch back?
Who realistically could we get up front next year?
Crooky
Swap for A. Carroll.
Ed u think we will be still able to attract players like soldado etc with our woeful league performance this year thanks {Ed001's Note - winning cups is just as likely to attract players as anything else.}
People need to remember that the aim of a football club is to ultimately win things! Cheers
ToonRed
Why would I have crouch back? We paid 35m for someone who is twice as strong?
23 Mar 2012 17:57:24
best position we can hope for is 7th
so our season is over
Aye, forget about the FA Cup.
The Irish Rover
Cheers for all the optimism!
23 Mar 2012 17:53:19
Eds and fellow posters i really want to see Shelvey giving a go but i dont know where he might fit in to the team at the moment. Does anyone think he could come in for young Jay (even tho he doesnt deserve to get dropped) Just really think Jonjo has some quality about him. Opinions and suggestions please.
Valley Red {Ed001's Note - if there are 3 in midfield, I would play him along with Gerrard and Spearing.}
23 Mar 2012 17:38:15
to every1 dissin kk
if we win the fa cup your not allowed to celebrate it!
bil
If Liverpool win the fa cup it still isn't a good season when u spend over 100 million quid
If Liverpool win the fa cup it still isn't a good season when u spend over 100 million quid.
.........................................
Mate would you rather us of spent 10m? We spent no more than 40m so stop going on about cost
23 Mar 2012 17:27:28
listen to your selfs your not real LIVERPOOL fans, slagging off OUR players is defo gunna get them playing, e.g. adam is this carroll is that, i bet your the same bunch that was saying lucas is poor and kuyt is the even worse, now look that them, can you just shut up and in joy sum football and give them sum support and then they might start to play for our team WOW
bil
23 Mar 2012 17:17:31
can someone please explain to me why everyone on here is so desperate to get De Jong? He's more wasteful than our already-extremely wasteful strikers combined...
So let me get this right, the staff & management have identified a need for a proven finisher. They've had him watched over a substantial period of time & decided this is the man they want... but wait, here YOU come! Mr 'international scout extraodinaire', demanding an explanation as why LFC have made such a gaff. So tell us, just how bad is Luuk de Jong?
Lukk de Jong Not the answer to our problems for me it has 2 be soldado if he still realistic
So 27 goals and 18 assists in all games this season is wasteful? What a moronic statement to make. Im pretty sure all our strikers combined dont have those numbers. luuk de Jong would be an excellent signing for LFC.
Steve
23 Mar 2012 17:07:14
david villa for liverpool would great yeah eds?
oh and to people saying our season is a disarster and people calling for kk head, if you dont like how our club is getting run then you can allways support someone else,
just think we could still be fighting relagation under roy buying players like koncheskey, pulson. that was a depressing time 4 me, and if you carnt honstly say that weve improved under kk than i wont bother you again.
bil
Progressed from roy yes, from rafa no
Rafas first season we were awful in the league. it took time for him to build. kenny needs the same time. i remember him building his team with barnes. beardsley and the like and making a team that was the best in europe even better. the current style of play is excellent. and its only going to get better. so lay off him. and give him the time and respect he deserves
23 Mar 2012 17:20:31
Fed up with all this sack Kenny lark, we had a massive overhaul of players last year and non of them are quite firing to their full potential yet, bet its practically a new squad, not just a new 1st team. They need time to gel together. We are playing the best football we have played for years,and I hate this saying, but we have been unlucky. We have played about 5 games this year where we were bad, the rest of the time we have played the opposition of the park,just not finished our chances, but that will come. Kenny is taking us foreward. We are playing better football than we were playing when Rafael was incharge and you can't deny that, yea he won the champions league and fa cup, but he left us in a mess rdmdmber that.
Gaz b
In 2009 we were playing our best football. When we had our Best players
So who sold them, and who wanted to leave.
Move on its 2012, time to update your calendar, deal with what is happening, and be positive for once in your life.
23 Mar 2012 17:06:36
I have to say something about the money Liverpool spent this year. There are many pointing out that we spent over 100 million and are marginally (if at all) better than last year. The 'true fans' as it were, remind us that the net spend was probably less than 50 million.
Should our performance this year be in any way judged in light of the 'net spend' or that spent on purchases (ie. 100 million)?
This is more of a question than a rant. I am, like most fans, disappointed by our form this season. The most frustrating thing is that at times we look like world beaters, and other games completely lost. Knowing the potential is there, it makes sense to stick with the current plan and see it out.
100 million is alot of money. So is the 'net spend' of close to 50 million. I think we should be better than we are. Should Kenny get the axe? No more than Commoli, Ayre, and their advisors. Could everyone have been wrong or is this a season that shows our potential, which is soon to be realized? I think I am with the latter opinion.
Coop
Great post sums up exactly how i feel the thing im annoyed about is that we play so well and come out with nothing and sacking Kenny will achieve nothing
Kanos
This has always happened over the last 40 years good times or bad even at our peak. "The most frustrating thing is that at times we look like world beaters, and other games completely lost."
To be precise it would 40 mil, KK has shown people what LFC can do to them, their play is refereshing and fluid. Now the big thing is "IF" we were more consistent we would have secured 4th spot by now or even higher. But just look 6/7 or our starters are new and gerrard/lucas have been mired with injuries. I am no means saying we should be content but we should be more patient in dismissing the work of our players.
23 Mar 2012 16:40:44
The problem for Kenny is that most people were expecting him to have us at the top of the league winning nearly every match because the success he had when he was the manger the first time. If this was any other manager we would be saying give them till the end of the season if they were in the same position we are in now. We just need to support him and stop calling the team after the bad peformance's it will just make it worse
Wozza
Yeah spot on, kk even said there a lot of work to be done, he even said dont judge the team untill the end of the season, if we end up with two cups the same people calling for kk to be sacked will be saying kk is all this and that, arrrgg lol
bil
Very much agree lets support him, he got us a cup in his first full seasson, lets support him as his very much passionate about the club, lets support him
Mate - you have to look at the run we are on - it IS relegation material.
It's just not good enough!!
23 Mar 2012 16:36:12
players for the summer:
TELLO-10M
RAMIREZ-15M
DE JONG-15M
MAYBE JUST MAYBE ERIKSEN-22M
Tello won't leave Barca
Prob unrealistic but would be great window however Lukk de Jong isn't worth 15m In my opinion
Not worth the 15m? U have never seen him player? U cant even spell his name correct. It's luuk de Jong. He is one of the most prolific strikers in europe. Look at his stats, and look at the players behind him. They good, but we are better. He can be ours new van persie.
23 Mar 2012 16:26:49
please post .
i think he'll stay. its hard but we must keep things in perspective , without of course keeping blind faith. The overall spending is exaggerated by people. FSG will invest more, though without champions league it will be hard to get the best kind of players. there is far more going right at the club than wrong and just over a year ago we would gladly have accepted our current situation (cup in the bag , still in another, in the europa , a great defence qpr game aside, youth starting to shine , and rid of a s**tload of over payed mediocre players, though we may have inherited one or two more they are not nearly on the same wages) . I hate our toothless-ness too but we are where we are and I dont think changing the manager would be wise, just one season into a new beginning. if a new manager came in and was crap it would set us back years. stability is crucial now and kenny at the very least brings that. the standards he sets for himself and the club are much higher than our current form and youd have to expect that he'll have learnt a great deal from this season ,approaching the next. ynwa
Dara D
Always read your posts Dara, put some good points across and the pint glass is always half full. Things could have been alot better this year but also could have been alot worse. The premier league is more competative than its ever been. Competing with the likes of City, United, Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal is a tough ask. We are where we are and we deserve to be there because at the end of the day we arent at the level that we want to be at just yet. For me, the league is of complete irelevance now. We have Europa league and i think this would be a fantastic opportunity to use our youth (those who are ready). My view though, Kenny has steady'd the ship and will continue to do so. Heis the right man at this present time. Going forward another 3/4 years im not totally sure he is the right man. In a way, i think a ambassador role is the future and working closely with our youth is a area kenny would excel in., But please give the guy a chance, hes won us a cup, our league form isnt the best sure. If any posters feel they could have done a better job this year, feel free to put your cv in.
p.s if you do apply for the job, make sure you bring Cavani, Neymar, Messi and Hazard with you seeing as its "so easy
Sma Adzii JFT 96
Very well said Dara.
Ryan 'O
Great original post, i totally agree. many people have bemoaned our luck infront of goal as reasoning for league position and i agree but many seem to forget the luck we have had with the spine of the team throughout the season. had gerrard been fit all season, lucas not done his knee, agger his ribs and suarez banned for such a period which is our 4 strongest players throughout our squad would we be 7th? i'd be willing to put my life savings(which isn't much) on an extra 6-12 points in the bag. i also add the club struggling to find an available goalscorer in january would of made a difference too but one of note obviously wasn't available.
kenny deserves next season simply to have a crack with his strongest players available and an additional 2/3/4 players of quality. the spine of a team is where it's built. skrtel/agger, gerrard/lucas, suarez/+a soldado/huuntelaar spine for the majority of next season and kenny's got a fighting chance. for me he's had a degree of bad luck throughout this season but he has got on with it. the stats in the table say we're a 15 goal striker short of the opposition, the team squad tells us we are at least one striker short in comparison as well. the owners know we're short, get him the player/players and let him finish the job that any replacement will find it easy to sort if given the funds. whether it be kenny or another manager they'll both be asking for the same thing-a goalscorer, a right winger and a playmaker. let kenny finish the project. i'm not saying we'll dominant europe but it's the progress us realistic fans all want to see and what many of the unrealistic armchair fanatic doom merchant fans on here demand..
23 Mar 2012 16:25:32
In the summer we should buy:
Cristian Tello, Iker Munian, Javi Martinez, Gaston Ramirez, Luuk De Jong
Are you planning on selling Carroll for a profit to make these transfers at all possible lol?
JWalk
Of these, De Jong is the only realistic option.
23 Mar 2012 16:25:09
Dear 'loyal fans': Kenny has failed, no matter what way you swing it. We weren't a promoted championship team. A few years ago we were second in the league......yes there were additions, but managing them appropriately is what a good manager does. It is not personal. He is a great person. His managing this season has been very suspect, and the handling of the Suarez racism issue was embarrassing for all involved with the club. There are proven managers available who should take the helm. If we are in same position next season what then?
Totally agree, people stop saying about the state we where in, ok things where rough under woy but before that we where competing, now...........
The season before that when we finished 7th i think? complete nonsense.
The Irish Rover
To this un-named poster and to a few other posters, pretty much 95% of this site wanted AVB(look what happened to him) to replace Hodgson. You were screaming why are we not going all out to get him "GET HIM NOW BEFORE ANOTHER TOP TEAM SNAPS HIM UP". Well forgive me for not hanging on your every words regarding getting rid of Kenny because the 1st part of my post shows that you anti Kenny crowd are completly clueless in your managerial assertions! Knowbody is above criticism that is fact and Kenny should not be blindly backed but F***IN HELL, he has more or less been in charge for 1 season! Is that it now, you get 1 season and if your not top 4 your out? If you could all widen your gaze even in the slightest then you could see we are moving forward, ok not as quickly as we would like maybe but you have to build foundations to build a fortress. I am sure that you will see a more expansive brand of football next season with players being moved on some youth getting a chance and 1 or 2 players coming in, remember Kenny is finding out about these players himself and will know who he can trust and who he will move on, just give him a chance! Is so easy to criticise but far harder to support when things are not going quite aswell as people want! Sorry for the long post, but these people are really starting to irritate me!
Waro
So if we end up winning the fa cup you will you celabrate it or just sit there like a sack of spuds, no you boiled egg you will be on here saying were going to win the league blar blar blar.................
Exactly - KK was the right mane to unite the club and the fans after H&G and Woy, but we need to move on.
Our form is terrible.
You can't blame luck for all those, crosses, corners, chances yet we are one of the lowest scorers in the league.
That shows something is lacking - coaching wise, player wise or formation wise.
Why are the issues not being addressed?
Do penalties get practised?
Do they coach shooting practice?
Suarez plays on his own up front and gets crowded out by 3 defenders.
Andy plays and takes 2 of them away, has a good game, we win, he looks like he is showing some form and then is dropped.
Seen the stats - when Andy starts we win over 80% of our games!!! He might not score, but it shows what he brings to the team and what he then allows others to do.
He needs to play every game!!
Adam needs to be taken out for a while - although it looks like the injury could have done that anyway.
he slows the play down too much at the moment and is looking low on confidence.
Bit we wasn't competing was we? After We finished second we went on a downward slope, that's why people started to
Question rafa wasn't it? Then Roy had us fighting relegation. The fact is people expect a miracle and they will continue to slate every manager we have until we win the league. You could name me any manager as long as he doesn't win us the league they will never be good enough for some of you.
Ashy
Failed at what exactly?
I would like to hear who these proven managers available are who should take the helm? redman matt
Waro
100% agree mate
23 Mar 2012 16:11:43
The question is, how much time will the 'fans' that want Kenny gone, give any new if manager if the results don't come instantly?
Have we really fell that far that 'fans' want a change of manager every time the going isn't good?
We are Liverpool, we stick by someone through thick and thin!
KT!
I agree with KT post fans calling for change of manager we should still stick with kenny for 1 more season despite whats happening in the league, forth place was gone after the arsenal game and were stil on for cup double so aint all bad. but people calling for brenden rogers in have short memories after roy hodgson was riding high with fulham evry1 wanted him. a few dodgey results n he didnt stand a chance. so forget rodgers who would probly do no better than roy and wot then?gert rid again? and as for the raffa lovers forget that. aqualani movin to ac 6 mil! bought for 20(injured) great bit of buisiness...kenny for one more season at least...redman matt
Every manager gets our full support untill they prove they just are not up to it , then after watching us only win 11 games out of 29 we start getting frustrated and as fans who should know better we vent our anger at the players and managers but as fans we see what they do not want to see and that is they are not good enough , should we accept this and just go on expecting things to improve with the present very poor situation or suggest to them that if they look at the results and poor buys that changes are needed .people can expect 1or 2 poor players out the 4 we bought but 4 out of 4 ? none of us realy want kk to be sacked but he needs to change .red mick tag
23 Mar 2012 16:11:27
I will always look forward to our games, and tomorrow's will be no different. If I can speak honestly, I am expecting a world class performance from Wigan's keeper, several missed opportunities, and ultimately a 1 - 1 draw. Never thought I would look forward to the FA cup as much as I do these days.
Ok, name me these proven managers with a record of winning the premier league?
The Irish Rover
Not me I dread watching our games now,what team will up tommorow??????
23 Mar 2012 15:51:32
While the Civil War rage on, this all I ask. Support the team. When the team sheet comes in don't say "oh god ____ is playing" but instead say " I hope ____ has a good game". You may not agree with some-things but there is one thing we all have in common and that is that we share a love for our Liverpool F.C and yes we may not always agree with the manager or other peoples opinions on how things should be done but never lose faith, never turn away and remember that it's the club that comes first. -McMenemy
Well said McMenemy. I feel that some people on here hope certain players have a bad game so they can slate them.
Scouse_Pride
Keep an eye on how many of the slaters remain un-named though. There's probably 50 or so regular posters on here who's names are recognisable and, with the obvious exceptions of redturk and indianbuzzer, I don't see any of them jumping on the negativity bandwagon after a loss and shouting for KKs head.
There are supporters and there are fans and there are the tumbleweed posters who blow in for a whinge after a loss, and there are the undercover Mancs on here for a wind-up.
cozinoz
23 Mar 2012 15:49:51
Ed was just wondering to that young welsh keeper Danny Ward that we snapped up in January? {Ed002's Note - I really don't know. Options are (a) With the reserves/Academy; (b) Abducted by Aliens.}
I think you need the conspiracy page for 'B' Ed
KT!
23 Mar 2012 15:23:31
I have worshipped Dalglish from the minute he walked on to the Wembley pitch to make his debut in the 1977/78 Charity Shield , he is the greatest British footballer I ever saw play .
Sadly , I cannot forgive him for producing relegation form when every advantage is in place for him . He looked like a rabbit caught in the headlights at QPR , it is so sad to see him flounder like this .
Realistically , would you risk a fiver on us finishing ahead of Swansea this season . Try to answer without your '' King Kenny is the Messiah '' hat on .
Ritters
Im sure i looked just like kenny watching what was happening in front of him the players have to take the blame for what happened not kenny.
k-h
In my opinion he is the right man to lead us to glory, i'm only 19 so i never had the chance to worship him, only off highlights and the such.
If you can't see that the club is heading in the right direction under Dalglish then i have to question your support.
Yes results haven't been what we wanted nor expected, but if you watch every match you can see it's almost there it just needs time and SUPPORT!
KT!
Yes
FowlerisGod
I'll take that fiver off you for sure.
JimK
"Sadly, I cannot forgive him for producing relegation form when every advantage is in place for him. He looked like a rabbit caught in the headlights at QPR, it is so sad to see him flounder like this"
He looked shocked mate, just like the rest of us watching, to see that the team he had chosen and the tactics he employed had taken us to 2-0, only for the defence to switch off completely and throw away a match we had totally dominated for nearly 80 minutes! Is it his fault that Enrique slipped allowing Mackie clear through on goal? Did he tell Skrtel to stand still and let Cisse, of all people, out-jump him and basically get a free header? When things don't go well we can't just be laying the blame on one person. Yes Kenny has made mistakes over the course of the season, and no he doesn't get immunity from that because of who he is, but lets remember there are 11 players on the pitch earning massive amounts of money who need to take responsibility as well. For some reason they really seem up for some matches, and then like they couldn't be bothered for the next. Or up for part of the game just to disappear when it matters most. That is more of a worry than anything else. As for the relegation form quip... Well we've played 40 matches this season, winning 21 & drawing 10. That's 1.83 points per game. Even taking away the results against lower league clubs (because I can already hear that argument), we have 16 wins & 10 draws from 35. The league form of late has been bad, but overall? Not crisis time just yet as many are suggesting.
Ryan 'O
Fitters you Sir are a scoundrel!!
You would not write the Second Paragraph if you mean the first!!
Lyndon
What's the point of calculating points per game from matches involving the likes of Brighton or Cardiff? Will we be competing against them next season?
23 Mar 2012 15:22:06
Cant believe how much stick the king is getting,yes there has been mistakes made no question.Show me 1 manager that doesnt,1 doesnt exist.Kenny is the perfect man for our club and if anybody deserves a little patience from the fans it is him.Some might say i am a kenny supporter and not the club b*llocks but one of the reasons i am a liverpool supporter,is becuase of king kenny.Surely as a liverpool fan this man deserves more respect than some have shown on here.Really do wonder what some people want in such a short space of time,seems we should be winning all competitions entered.we should take stock of where we are and where we have come from and realise how fortunate we are to have a manager who cares as much as kenny.
So it is kenny u support, not liverpool. Dont worry, there r more kenny supporters than liverpool fans on this page.
Indian Buzzer
Utd 'supporters' wanted Fergie out after about 3 years and look what happen, can't we give Kenny time as well?
Keith
You'll slate united but when it suits you to make an argument for kenny you compare them. What ever it takes to make kenny fit the job ay? blind
Over 100million spent on mistakes but I still not so sure if he should be sacked as the team has performed very well just not delivered the results which has been down to rotten luck as much as anything
23 Mar 2012 15:10:06
Very upset this afternoon, 2 of my favourite posters, SP and Real KB, are arguing.
Why can't we all get along?
I've got a simple solution to end all the arguments, accept that I'm right about everything!
Chris in Tamworth
Money's on Steve Parker on that one!
There's no argument at all Chris.
It took two days, and a thousand words or two, but SP has finally said that Kenny has earned enough respect to see out his contract. That's all it was.
Criticism is fine BJH, please read the threads again. My reply was about how some fans can't seem to give Kenny that respect.
The Real KB
I spotted the discussion yesterday KB. I'm with you all the way regarding Kenny and no one will sway me, we could be bottom of the league and he'd still be the king in my eyes. SP did Make some valid points in the way he delivered his case whilst at the same time didn't strictly denounce Kenny.
Ozone
Ozone
Kenny has earned enough respect to see out his contract??? I hope you were drunk when you said this...KB mate just for one second can we all separate Kenny the legend from kenny the manager.
Guy's I agree we do need to back our manager, but that like any other LFC manager we all should be backing but to say what you said just comes out as Blind Faith. At the end of day LFC was bought for 300M,For FSG its business and i just hope for sake of all of us they make smart long term decisions.which are for good of our club and not for an individual even if that individual is Kenny.
Red indian
Red Indian
How many managers do you know that get sacked in the same season as winning a trophy. Did Rafa get sacked in his first season when he finished nearly 40 points from top spot? We are a work in progress! No doubt about it.
The Irish Rover
23 Mar 2012 14:52:39
Hey eds and reds,
i've not wrote on here for a while as i've been sick of seeing all the same nonsense like sack Kenny and who's a true fan and not.
At the end of the day, we all support this club and we all want the best for this club. Some of our opinions are wrong and some are right but i firmly believe in giving Kenny at least another season. This season has been disappointing in terms of the league but we've had our high moments such as beating Chelsea with a few minutes to go and the 3-0 against Everton and we have dominated teams. Yes we should of scored more and yes we should be further up the league but i'm enjoying watching us. The point is, we need to all stop looking at every single negative all the time and look at some positives. I mean how can Kenny try and make it right next season if he's not given a chance? The guys just helped us get a trophy by actually giving the Carling Cup a true shot by playing our best players.
But don't forget, we still need to concentrate on the remaining games and not lose focus by just concentrating on the F.A cup. Otherwise we could end up further down the league. Which is why i still think we should play our beat players and not all of our kids. I'd say give a few a bit of a run about but not start them every game like some of you want.
We are Liverpool F.C and we are going in the right direction!
Keep the faith,
Dale B
How can an opinion be wrong?
FowlerisGod
Problem is our best players arent good enough! Bar a few exceptions!
Steve
This annoys me on this site! where people just pick at little bits people might potentially have phrased wrong! get!
23 Mar 2012 14:50:47
winning 2 nil on fifa, got beat 3-2...
Thankyou for your irrelevant post... Now please return from fantasy land
The Southern red
23 Mar 2012 14:26:08
Charlie Adam out for the rest of the season..
Springer
Whatt?
Kaizer
How come?
The Crow
Knee injury
Springer
I havent seen anything about the length of the injury you just want it to be the rest of the season Springer
I'd say that's a blessing
23 Mar 2012 14:08:08
Just a note to all the muppets who are suggesting we stick a few under-aged and under-developed (physically and in a football sense) into the first team. If another team of youth players (playing abroard too) can hand our promising youngsters their arses with a 6-0 spanking, what makes you think they are ready for the PL? JimK
Ye lets just stick with what we have maybe something will change. Same actions expecting different results pffffff madness
23 Mar 2012 13:55:21
if glenn is fit tmrw, why not play him RB and Robinson on LB? Enrique deserves some rest i guess.
Kaizer
23 Mar 2012 13:51:17
we are carling cup champions. we are in the semi final of the FAcup. we are off to wembley again. ok the league table does not look so good but in fairness we have had no luck whatsoever in the league i know thats no excuse but its going to take time to turn this around. we are playing good football in most of the games so give it time lads it will come good. but we do need an out and out goalscorer and 1 or2 top class players to come in the summer
THE BIRD
23 Mar 2012 13:24:50
WOW!
It's like a civil war in here lads. I'm off to Syria for a few days, were it's safer.
Speak to you soon (hopefully)
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
Iran is quite a pleasant spot at this time of year.
Yeh, it's shocking. Some people think they have a right to ask questions! Jeez! Just shut yer mouths, pay your money and take what you're given. You'd think you have a right to speak up. Who the hell do these fans think they are? Shut up and just turn up. Kenny will get it right and we only need around £700,000,000 and everything will work out fine. Come on you reds fans. Get behind the team and spend your money on supporting the club. It's not for the likes of you to ask questions.
Hang around Blair.
To see the Biggest icon the Club as ever had slagged to the Hill.
The same Man who went to almost every Hillsborough Funeral.
Which affected him that badly he left the Club.
Enjoy Yourselves!!
Lyndon
I bet me having Sky Means I put more in to The Club than you! Mupoet
Oh! and sign your posts
Lyndon
23 Mar 2012 13:14:22
Well Raheem Sterling must really be some player, the lads only 17 and the media are already trying to unsettle him and drive him away from Liverpool. Who are Sly Sports News or the Daily Mail to pick the team. Sterling is not ready to play in the Premier League week in week out his body couldn't cope. Peoples argument is that Rooney played at that age but his was a tank at 16/17, or Michael Owen who burst on the scene at such a young age but look at him now he's quite frankly broken. So i think its about time the same questions to the eds of 'will Sterling play at the weekend' need to stop, just let the club handle the lad.
always a red
Ryan Giggs was 17 also, look at him now {Ed001's Note - he was not played every week though, they had Lee Sharpe at the same time and the pair often alternated.}
23 Mar 2012 12:59:01
I hope kenny leaves at the end of this season, because he does not deserve all this hatred he's getting of you so called fans,
you lot are not true liverpool fans.
he's done more for this club than anyone else will ever do.
no wonder he's getting stressed out when he knows the so called fans you he loves.are against him.
hope he wins the fa cup this year, and then leaves,
we get a new manager, and i hope liverpool decline even more just to teach you so called fans
a lesson.
So you're a kenny fan and not a Liverpool one
Not a true fan for questioning a managers tactics and transfers :D wow you are deluded
No one asked him to leave 20 years ago but he left us citing stress,etc. Next thing we know he joined Blackburn. Thereafter Newcastle with less success. He may have steady the ship for awhile after we sacked Roy but with his tactics and the players he bought I believe he is not the man for the long term. What chance do we have next season playing in the Europa Cup? It's alright if we respect Kenny as a player and the manager he was during the 80's but let's not get sentimental about his present appointment. He may be in his first season but the players he bought and the tactics he deployed with the asistance of Clarke is just not working. We are now losing to teams like QPR. We beat Cardiff through penalties in the league cup. Are we contended with such achievements for the past 20years? Even if we win the FA Cup are we saying these are the catalysts which will propel us to greater heights while we remain in 6 or 7th for the coming seasons? I have supported the club since Paisley's reign and so far the present players are such a letdown. At least Rafa came close to winning the title and brought us the consistency in Europe if we can't get the likes of Mour.
Whilst i agree with most of what you have said i totally disagree with your statement about rafa, he lost us the league when we finished 2nd through dodgy tactics squad rotation etc
Some people Deserve as much Respect as you have for the Club!!
Do you think The Club means more to you than it does Kenny!! I doubt it
Once your slagging the biggest icon the clubs ever had your F"*#~{D
Lyndon
Do you think The Club means more to you than it does Kenny! I doubt it ...
Really? I think it means as much if not more to the poster. KK was very well paid to be in love with the club while the poster paid for years to support it!
23 Mar 2012 12:30:51
People talk about 'is this what John W Henry expected when he bought LFC' ?
In truth , it seems he bought the club with about 24 hours notice !
His investment is quite reasonable all things considered , and Kenny Dalglish was handed a 3 year contract for a reason .
The owners , managers & players are putting it together properly for the long term .
Have some class and support the club .
Qwerty .
"putting it together"
It seems they failed to read the instructions
The only thing being put together is how to go about things the wrong way
e.g.'s
The handling of club affairs
Transfer market dealings
Tactics
etc.
Long term with charlie adam :D
Of course, because i always spot john henry scouting potential transfers and discussing tactics on the touchline with Kenny. shut up you person do you even know what an owner does?
The above over reaction , completely missing the point of the togetherness at the club - ha ha .
Things are going OK , and the Cup double will be won and the team will improe next season .
Grow up , you sound like losers .
Qwerty
Togetherness at the club
=
Ship of Fools
Then
23 Mar 2012 12:19:20
Just a heads up for everyone there is a website called love,follow,conquer that do some smart liverpool clothes if you dont like what you get in the clubshop. There is some smart casual gear on there especially when you got too away grounds and dont like wearing colours.
Cheers
mighty reds
Some of the stuff is really good. Love the Rome '77 T-shirt
Red Greco
23 Mar 2012 11:43:04
Eds do you see Connor Coady being promoted to the first team set up next year. His versatlity could be useful for us, and he has already acheived a lot in they youth/reserve teams for club and country.
If not, could he perhaps go out on loan. {Ed002's Note - It is too early to say but I would not be surprised if he went on loan.}
23 Mar 2012 11:40:48
This is what I'd like to see on the team sheet this weekend.
Reina Flano Coates Skrtel Enrique
Shelvey Hendo Gerrard Downing
Carroll Suarez
I'd have Sterling and Suso on the bench for this weekends game and maybe a different pair for next prem match. Also a lot of people calling for the youngsters to be drafted in which is a fair argument but as much as it may benefit them I don't know do they even train with the first team squad. So prob won't happen too soon.
One thing that annoys me a little is why do our senior players that aren't playing much or performing well get the odd run out with the reserves. They could get more sharpness confidence etc and also some of the youngsters could learn something even small from them
Reina is a better goalkeeper than he is a right back mate
23 Mar 2012 11:27:41
if we beat wigan tommorow, it would probably be another 2-1 or 2-0 win which is going to be boring. i don't want to watch a match in which we score, then defend for the rest of the game. liverpool supporters want to see a lot of goals. we will not win the fa cup and we won't finish 4th. its been a disaster season. its a joke because i really thought that we can challenge for the title. but that was before kenny and comoli wasted the money on useless players. also players such as kuyt, spearing etc are not good enough. we are not in europe this season, but still the team have not used the advantages. there has got to be changes this summer.
Crying if its a win no pleaseing some people
Thats a mighty big IF
How would we have won a lot of games without kuyt? yeah hes not that consistant but in big games he is essential. spearing has been really good ocnsidering he's filling in for lucas. chill ya bean and wait for the summer. man city are challenging now because they've had 3/4 years to rebuild
So it is kenny u support, not liverpool. Dont worry, there r more kenny supporters than liverpool fans on this page.
Indian Buzzer
Tbh, as much as I wanted the title this season (don't we all) I realistically expected to be the top four, but we aren't and need to work out why! I was reasonably happy with who we bought in the summer, but knew Rome wasn't built in a day and would need a few transfer windows to get where we want to get! The players need to take a lot of the blame, as when Kenny sends them out, they have to do the business! I remember our Northampton match when the players sent out were 11 players rather than a team, but still expected them to win the game!
The players brought in were to get us into 4th and then push for better afterwards!
Give Kenny one more year and let him fix the problems we have, he knows what they are, as he is as much as a fan as we are!
Forgot to sign!
Keith
23 Mar 2012 10:50:53
ed is glenn johnson fit at the mo?
Kaizer {Ed002's Note - He may be available for tomorrow.}
Thanks ed
Kaizer
23 Mar 2012 10:23:11
adams downing carroll have not been good this season,also lucas has been missed,spearing cant replace him,liverpool need competition for lucas and need to sign a experience def midfielder with a attacking edge e.g alonso type, also need a right winger not a striker (kuyt) or centre midfielder(henderson) playing there,...if King Kenny was to go back to old role or board decide to change managers then i think FSG as they've mentioned in past would want a young manager..i think deschamp and jurgen klopp(dortmund) will be favourites but i would personally like either unai emery or marcelo bielsa given a chance,both are working with very limited budget but attractive football.
Why would Klopp want to saw Dortmund for Liverpool? They are a HUGE club. Massive fanbase. Cash rich. Giant club.
Don't want Klopp, anyway. He is Mr. Dortmund and won't be good enough anywhere else.
Why do people call him Adams he's name is Adam do people call Carroll Carrolls.
Red raj {Ed002's Note - They do it because Adams is a common surname and Adam is a common forename. It is a simple mistake and doesn't matter at all. Suck it up.}
Yeah but it only takes watching one game to realise that, common or not, it isn't Charlie's surname.
Bit of a giveaway that someone's not actually been watching
x
And don't you think we too are playing attractive football? just not getting the results. still every game is far more enjoyable to watch than last year
When people talk about Adams Ed i normally think they are reffering to myself. I was wondering why ive had so many hate comments on here of late :(
Sam Adzii (Adams) JFT96
I don't think I call Carroll, Carrolls, but I definately call him other names.
RedOz
Maybe ed, but its just people who havent bothered to read his name on a official team selection, or are jst really stupid {Ed002's Note - Let's not let it spoil our day. The sun is out, the birds are singing and the bees are buzzing.}
Interesting topic when we talk about the Premier League and die Bundesliga. Jurgen Klopp is the manager of a huge club with a fanbase to die for. Home crowds of 82000 with a fixed price to keep tickets accesible to all. Still doesn't mean they are not as fanatical as LFC or any other PL fans. I've been to a few games recently at the Signal Iduna Park. Stunning! Food is excellent and the whole atmosphere buzzes and excites.
To be fair to Jurgen Klopp ( a big man by the way!) what about Liverpool would attract him to the PL? Dortmund is awash with cash as far as I understand and a host of clubs in Europe would be interested in him. We are huge and with history, but don't let the British snobbery and aloofness about the PL cloud your judgement. Dortmund is no Wolves!
SP
23 Mar 2012 10:22:13
When you realise it took Fergie 6 years to deliver the mancs their first trophy (FA Cup) and then went on to greater success, and now, just because we are in 7th place in what is effectively Kenny's first season in charge (the Carling cup win and FA Cup semi-final is apparently insignificant; some people here actually want us to lose the semis! Absolutely crazy!) he should be dismissed, it's beyond belief. .
If you find our team under Kenny so absolutely deplorable, do us real supporters a favour and stay away from the club while he's still in charge - go support the mancs, the chavs or the gooners if you wish to boast about your team qualifying for the CL
Singred
Lmao. Kenny was given over a 100M pounds while whiskey nose got almost nothing compared to it to build a team, so it is reasonable for him to win something after 6 yrs while it is not reasonable for Kenny after spending over 100m pounds and not reaching the top 4.
Comparing these two scenarios is pretty much unfair.
Shankly's pet dogs great great grand dog Elisha
When I am paying good money every week to watch my team i am entitled to an opinion and having followed liverpool to 4 of their 5 european finals and never missed a game in 16 years I think it is you who should do everyone a favour and think before you write ,Alex ferguson did not spend the money kenny has and the FA cup was a real competition back then ,youre arrogance telling supporters to support someone else is quite baffling I wonder when the last time you went through the turnstyles was
Sorry to tell you that I have never visited Anfield as I am from Singapore. But I do try to catch every match available on my cable, even at 4 am singapore time. I have been supporting LFC since watching them lose 2-1 to the mancs in the 1977 FA Cup final. If that means s**t to you, its ok.
BTW Elisha
You do realise the teams above us have invested more time and money to build their squads to achieve top 4 status, don't you? For example, Mancini's spending was almost 80million + 160million (spent by Hughes before he took over) before he hit CL last season. But the thing is “ the owners gave Mancini time, you won't
Singred
Fergiscum did spend money back in the day.
Taking inflation into account it would be equivilant to around £50M in each of his first 2 seasons at the mancs.
kidmillions
Btw eliisha,really! arsenal?
Unless inflation is at about 37% you are Wrong and you can't use inflation in term of transfers as they are Subjective. You pay what the team wants not what they are worth.
Lyndon
Spot on Kidmillions, was just about to post that! When Ferguson took over he was a massive spender in the transfer market, it raised eyebrows at the time and was the equivilent of when Chelsea started spending some of the Abramovich money, so don't come here and say he didn't win anything for 6 years because he didn't spend money! You are talking through ye arse lad.
Waro
Alex Ferguson spent nearly £15 million pounds putting his championship side together , over 6 years .
That was when the record transfer for a player was around £1.7 million .
Ferguson spent almost as much (over his first 6 years at UTD) as Kenny Dalglish spent over 3 years (at Blackburn Rovers) .
Dalglish won the title in half the time , from a division lower - when transfers were more expensive (Premier League era) .
Kenny Dalglish's spending is fair and all will be fine in due course .
Qwerty
Kenny Dalglish's spending is fair and all will be fine in due course .
-and the captain of the Titanic said it will all be fine and you don't need no lifejackets.
And is everyone forgetting that suarez and carroll fees were levelled off by the sale of torres and babel?
Net spend is nowhere near 100m.
I bet the press can't believe their luck that after they're coming up with 'can't even win after spending over 100m' catchphrase, and everyone has just lapped it up.
x
Net spend is more or less 34 million pounds since Kenny took over...
NextGenRed
The fact that the net pay was not 100 million does not excuse the wasting of 100 million. If I had to start a new team from scratch, I could easily produce one of Sunderlands, Evertons, Swansea's standard, or better. Liverpool have added 100 million to the spine of Agger/Skrtel/Gerrard/Lucas/Kuyt/Johnson/Reina. Lets not forget that we still own J. Cole and Aquilani. I could care less that we recouped money from Torres/Babel. We aren't even 100 quid better than last year, let alone 100 million. Even true fans (as I am) can recognize that we squandered a pile of cash this year. If it pays off in 3 years, great. If you want me to say I am happy to wait for 3 years, I am not. Someone has to answer for the lack of ambition. It is usually the manager......
RED DOG
Dalglish gives his answer in interviews all the time - the best man for the job .
And guess what , you will have to wait (happy or not) for LFC to be the best again .
Just a few years , that's all kid .
Qwerty
Utter tripe Red Dog! If we are no better of than last year why do we have a trophy in our cabinet. Why are we in the semis of another competition? If we finish in the same position as last year, then we are still better off. Joe Cole, Aqua, Poulsen etc certainly didnt win us any trophies.
The Irish Rover
I dont care what net spend is but we wasted about 80mil on rubbish
23 Mar 2012 10:21:54
"The Irritation of King Kenny"
Irritation is the word this morning: I logged on and found this from earlier -
"@ SP, 15.46 hrs
What the f are you on mate ?
Going on about religion, history and Cruyff ?
This is a Liverpool FC site, and we're talking about Kenny Dalglish.
I said if Liverpool fans, and this would especially include you if you're a fan of 38 years as you said, cannot respect Kenny enough to allow him to finish his 3 year contract, then there's nothing for them.
The Real KB"
..............................................
It's not often I get angry. Grumpy I do well, but angry? Well on this occasion I am. Going on about religion, history and Cruyff? Well the Real KB, it may surprise you to know that this is a fans' site and apart from not swearing too often or making legal gaffes, there is nothing in any rules to suggest writing about religion or players of stunning ability is not allowed.
This made me think of why we write these postings. It also made me think that half-wits like the Real KB would be better off just not reading anything more than three lines long or isn't drooling about everything LFC all the time. If you support a player or a club, a team or a manager,, you should tell people who are also interested. The way you do it is your choice. As long as you avoid carrying on like the religious zealots and trying to convert people, it's fine.
Some people write clipped bullet points and short sentences; some of us write rambling treatise that espouse other views and link them to Liverpool and associated parts of the game. You choose what you want to read. When the editors refuse to print any of my writings and say they are shi*e and too meandering, then people like the challenged Real KB won't have to worry about any long words or non-supportive ideas.
I urge any poster or fan to write what they feel and talk about ideas and views. I like to read more than wishlists and I really enjoy the more detailed comments that challenge the traditional "we are red, we are red" and "we are real fans and you're not" crap that often infests the majority of postings. I will disagree with lots of posters and say so on here. But I do read what they say before I do it. I've been taken to task on a number of occasions - particularly about The Sun, now KK and before about players - and that's why we find the sport so intriguing. Don't let the bully boys and trolls flame you out of writing what you feel. There are times when the thread of an argument can wander and curve away from the core issue, but with the work the editors do in keeping that in check, this site has proved to be generally a good read.
Much of this recent irritation comes from the gall of some people to even ask if KK is doing a good job. I was just one of those right at the forefront of that. Why not? He is a legend and an icon to me. One of my favourite players (here we go the Real KB so switch off now ...) and an inspiration as a club ambassador. A bit like Cruyff with Barcelona and Nial Quinn at Sunderland (yes, really!) Players who transcend their original roles are rare but KK is one. Oh, and I would love him to carry on and win something like the PL for us. What I would also like is the freedom to ask the awkward questions and what finer arena than in football?
There are enough of the ramblers, droners, naysayers and doom-mongers like myself to counter the 'everything in the garden is rosy' brigade and "stone to death anyone who even questions the prophet!" Opps, sorry, got confused with my intolerance of religious bigotry there. I meant even question anything about KK.
Those asking why we should even ask the questions about KK or the management, the players or the owners, you have to realise we all support in different ways. I've supported the club for 38 years but so what? The kid down the road who has been an LFC fan since 2009 is just as important as I am. The fans who wear their teenage sons' clothes and pretend to be 18 again (shameful as it is even in Fuengirola) are just as entitled to their views as the pontificating and slightly irritating posters such as SP! What is true is that all are welcome on this board.
I urge all fans to ask searching questions. Ask other fans for their views (even if it is the chance of signing Messi ...... yawn ....) and find out what makes other people love the club. Banging on about being a real fan or abusing others who write more than they want to read (or can understand) is not a crime. It's what makes the world go round and that isn't a guaranteed absolute.
Steve Parker
I think it is you who needs to be able to accept criticism SP.
2/3 of your original ramble was about Kenny Dalglish, and it was responded to as you you invited.
I passed no comment on the other 1/3 of your post.
And, again, I will not comment on most of your above - fascinating as it may be, linking Cruyff and Niall Quinn (lol).
People can write what they want, read what they want, think what they want.
My point was that I cannot understand how supporters of this club, who should know that KK is the greatest living Red, can fail to give him the respect of seeing out his contract.
Full stop, the end.
Don't be so sensitive that that has upset you.
Or are we not allowed to criticise the Genius of Steve Parker ?
The Real KB
Good post, Mr Parker. Everyone has a right to question the manager and the team. My question to you is: Do you think he should be given more time? or sacked at the end of the season?
Singred
"My point was that I cannot understand how supporters of this club, who should know that KK is the greatest living Red, can fail to give him the respect of seeing out his contract. "
Exactly - you cannot understand. Nothing more needs to come from me.
Singred: another year to sort out his team .... that's what I think FSG will give him. I want him to manage us next season. No matter what he does he will always be special to me. But gods always have feet of clay.
SP
Another well written piece. I mentioned on here the other day that many of the posters are guilty of something called "groupthink" which can be very dangerous and is what I believe is the main reason why the "pro-Kenny" brigade are very much guilty of.
Ash
I think you fail to realise that when Kenny took over we were eighth from bottom. It is only because of KENNY that fourth was a dream this season has he overachieved at the end of lats with the squad he had.
The club was on its knees and we were very close to maybe not having a club at all. It takes an awful lot of time to get back to the top but the only way this will be done if everybody supports the club and sticks together.
Who is the only manager to win a trophy for Liverpool in the last 6 yrs?
Some fans need to get there heads screwed on and get realistic.
cheers
mighty reds
I hope that's a promise you keep SP.
Ash, there is no such thing as a "pro-Kenny" brigade. Do you think we all meet secretly underground somewhere ?
I question his tactics, selections as much as the next supporter.
But why has he not earned our respect to see out a contract ?
No one has answered me that.
He is not just another manager on the merry-go-round as far as LFC is concerned. There is both pros and cons to that situation.
But the fact remains he is who he is, and people should just accept that.
I can only liken it to, say, Bob Paisley taking over as manager again.
That's what we're talking about here. If our supporters have changed so much that they can't give KK three f'in years, then I don't know.
It's nothing at all to do with "groupthink", it's about common decency and respect.
The Real KB
"I think you fail to realise ...."
Is that a question? It can't be a statement after all. Tip: never take for granted you know what others think. The result is you say things like "basically," or "innit" or "I cannot understand." Always a bad move.
Breaking my own rules but when such crap is posted I can't see a reason not to.
"But why has he not earned our respect to see out a contract ?"
1. Who says he has NOT earned any respect?
2. What makes him so special in the eyes of financial investors (not fans, the number crunchers) that says he can't be questioned about the season?
3. Does our total love and admiration for him suggest we can't ask anything about our current leaguie position?
4. Does his status as an icon/legend/deity mean we should accept everything he does without question?
5. Neither I nor anyone else I can read has suggested we sack him.
This is all nonsense and should be exposed as such.
You are a fraud for suggesting "he is who he is and people should just accept that." That means zero. It's not even grammatically or literally correct!
You seem to sprinkle the 'f' word throughout your posts which would suggest an air of irritated exasperation. Be wary of such men I say!
SP
"groupthink?" surely that name can be labelled at any supporters that have a certain opinion? Maybe even the " Kenny for the sack" brigade or the "Carrolls sh1te club"?
For my 2 pence worth, I for can't understand ( put me in that group SP) how fans fail to acknowledge the massive job that needs to be done at Liverpool, that we now have a "Top 6" in the PL & not the old customary top 4 when it was who would finish in what order between Man Utd, Arsenal,Chelsea & Liverpool.
There's no doubt Kenny has made mistakes in some transfers, but what manager hasn't? But you have to read some of the posts during & after the game! Why did Kenny play him or why did he not use the subs earlier, he's been out of the game to long! Every one playing football manager, it's tedious. People need to realize that there's no quick fix. The owners need to realize that maybe £100 million gross isn't enough to gaurantee top 4 & how much the likes of Citeh have spent to get there. Maybe we need to look at scouting aspect & how come Arsenal can pick up the reasonably cheap foreign talent & make a
descent team that can challenge for top 4!
We haven't been a top 4 for a few years now, & like I said we now have 6 teams competing for them. Rafa had it easy in comparrison.
The Irish Rover
KB, you know what I mean about a "KK" brigade. There are a group of supporters that want him as manager no matter what he does.
I do think it is a case of "groupthink." You, and others, seem to allow senitment to get in the way of rationale. You mention about him having "earnt the respect to see out his contract," but it's not really about respect. It's about whether it is working or not. And for me, it's not. Giving him the length of his contract just because of who he is, is ludicrous! There has to be "tipping-point" if you will, when the board say "we are not moving in the direction - or moving quickly enough in the direction we should be." You cannot ignore that being 3 points clear of Swansea, who have spent roughly 10% of what we have in the last 2 windows is anywhere near good enough, not to mention the difference in the squads prior to that!
We are now 28 points off the top. To put that into perspective, we are close to the championship than the title. And that is not good enough.
Ash
The Irish Rover - now that is a post I like to read. True, KK has made mistakes and as you rightly point out, so have other managers. I ttotally agree that maybe £100m is not enough to push us further, but I would also say to those suggesting he needs ANOTHER £60+m, the pit isn't bottomless.
I like your point about the reaction of posters after a game, although it's understandable and I have done it myself. Perhaps KK needs to tread a little lighter with the media and not reflect irritability. It kight help with the club's PR image - badly damaged recently.
My only dissenting comment is that I can't understand how people can't understand!
SP
SP,
We are in agreement that Kenny does not deserve to be sacked but in answer to your questions :
1. Plenty on here ;
2. He's not. We trust the owners to make the right decisions for the club (however misplaced that can be at times) ;
3. No.
4. No.
5. I think you will find that many have. And so my original point remains.
It's a banter site, everyone's styles of posting are different. Don't get too hung up on little things eh ?
The Real KB
If anyone is hung up in little things it is people like you; your original argument centred on not understanding why people didn't think the same way as you. That's a little thing to me and a big irritant to you.
SP
Ash,
That goes to the crux of our discussion.
The owners are the ones who will decide.
I can understand other teams supporters, people impartial to the club (ed002 for instance) who may opine that KK should go.
But, us, as Liverpool fans owe him the respect of his contract.
If he doesn't deserve that, from his own people, well...it's a sad thing.
If you feel that he is just another Joe, that's up to you.
Sentiment, yes. But many other emotions as well. If some people don't get that attachment then I am lost with them.
The Real KB
Lol SP. It's you picking out nitbits, not me.
Anyway, as I said, we are in agreement over the immediate future of KK, and the respect he has earned thereon.
The Real KB
Good on you Steve Parker.
You are entitled to your opinions - you are right too, that you can/should write about what you want. It keeps things interesting - it's not like you said anything nasty.
Why not discuss other perspectives on the game - football is a religion of sorts and dont us LFC fans always talk about History (lol)?
I am interested in what you have to say - others clearly agree also.
I have been critical of Dalglish since QPR. Very vocal about it - I have given many reasons why.
That does not make me a bad supporter - I want us to win as badly as the next fan - if we were in Division Two or lower i'd still be a fan.
Whether Kenny stays or moves upstairs, all I know for sure is that I will still love the guy.
He will forever be the king. Always.
Just because I don't agree with some of his decisions relating to the team, or because I think he should be replaced as manager does not mean I hate Kenny. Nor does it make me a 'traitor'.
The 'cult of personality' and 'blind allegiance' often leave a trail of victims.
We can learn from history in this regard. Base our opinions on our logic, and not some eternal allegiance to one man or ideal, which is unwavering and unquestioning - no matter what.
No one these days can be guaranteed to see out a contract - particularly if they do not live up to expectations - results and other circumstances can always lead to a parting of ways.
I just don't think he's building a team - that takes consistency - he chops and changes personnel inexplicably, and soesn't play people in their best positions. If this continues, I genuinely fear we will finish 9th or 10th. (maybe lower?! god forbid.)
I also have little faith that he will play new signings in their best positions. I only base this on what I have seen this season. Whether he will sign quality players - or players for the positions we need them in - I also have doubts.
I can understand him staying till the end of the season, but his selections will see him seal his own fate. For better or worse.
If he adopts the 442 that has served us so well this season - for every game until the end of the season, with players in their proper positions - I can be convinced that there may be hope after all.
He is 'the king', always will be - but he is not actually infallable.
If he leaves - a new manager will inherit European football next year - given that the top 4 was no sure thing, that is certainly a success of some sort. It'll be Kenny's parting gift to us.
As for the top 4 though - who expected Chelsea (and to a lesser extent, Arsenal) to have such shoddy seasons by their standards - thats what hurts the most - top 4 was there for the taking, yet we're still closr to the relegation zone (points wise) than we are to there, and our last ten games - we have been in relegation form.
After the blisteringly good second half of last season - even the most ardent fan would admit it's been a step backwards in the league this year.
When considering that that we signed quite a few expensive new players as well, which have played roles in this decline, the arguments of underachievent have a basis in logic.
Are any of these opinions really so bad?
Keep on writing Steve Parker.
We will not always agree, but we all love LFC.
We can all get emotional, and argue our respective views - but when people are trying to silence anyones (quite reasonable) views, because of a perceived lack of respect for Kenny - they need to look in the mirror and ask do they have mind of their own, and what they fear so much about other people having opinions.
BJH YNWA.
ps - Is all criticism really to be banned Real KB? Good lord. I've seen you talking about players at other clubs here - and opinions on non LFC matters - where do you draw the line on this 'only LFC' talk?
Just so i'll know what you and the 'real fans' allow us 'not-real LFC fans' to discuss next time we are here.
23 Mar 2012 10:21:32
I know I'm gonna get dogs abuse for this but here goes.
I had a major argument with a friend the other day because he said Kenny should be sacked, that winning the Carling Cup wasn't good enough and that we should be qualifying for Champions League. He then went on to say that players like Henderson, Adam, Downing, Carroll weren't good enough for Liverpool. So I said to him, who would you have signed instead of them, with no Europe football and no capacity to pay crazy wages like City, realistically what players were available to us that are better than who we signed. I carried on and said what's the answer then, bring in another manager, get rid of the team and start again? And if that doesn't work what you do it again? We're not Chelsea, and he had absolutely no answer.
My point is that maybe there are too many fans like my friend who just expect us to be up there, like it's some God given right we have. The atmosphere against the big teams or in big cup matches at Anfield is brilliant but when it comes to the lesser teams it's dreadful because the fans expect us to beat them, I guarantee it will be tomorrow against Wigan, and I wonder if that transpires down to the players. I also think that some of the songs we sing might not help some players. When we sing 'Fields of Anfield Road' I do sometimes wonder if we are intimidating some of the players, by singing about our greats instead of singing about them. We put massive pressure on someone like Stewart Downing by singing 'Stevie Highway', or Andy Carroll 'King Kenny' because we are telling them this is the level of player we expect, we would rather sing about them than you! I can't think of another team that sing about their old players like we do!
Look at the way the fans have abused Lucas before last season! Too many of our fans expect new signings to instantly be world beaters. I saw some fans yesterday on a website saying Gerrard was finished, Reina should be sold as he's had a bad season and that we should sell Suarez now while we can get £40m for him before everyone realises that he's not that good because he misses too many chances! I hate to say it but look at Utd, did they get on Ronaldo's back in his first couple of seasons when he didn't do much, the same with Nani, Henry at Arsenal, ok small segments might have given them abuse but the vast majority supported them and they came good. When we signed Henderson, Carroll and Downing loads of Liverpool fans were slagging them off and saying they weren't good enough for Liverpool even before they'd kicked a ball for us. Did Utd do that with Antonio Valencia, Phil Jones or Chris Smalling? I bet if we'd signed Smalling our fans would have been saying he won't be good enough because a couple of years ago he was playing non-League football.
We call ourselves the best fans in the world but maybe we aren't! Maybe we are our own worst enemies!
Let the abuse begin!
Scarface
Absolutely top post, Scar! Couldn't agree more! To think there are thickheads who want us to lose the FA Cup semi-final when other teams would kill to have the chance to win it! Singred
23 Mar 2012 10:19:37
There are far to many so called liverpool fans who are fickle and just want knee jerk reactions all the time.
As we say we are building for the long term and kenny is doing an amazing job. Remember fans its only because of kenny that top four became a dream this season after he picked the club up from its knees last season.
We have a trophy in the bag and a semi to look forward to and hopefully a top 6 finish. We also have a very good squad that needs to be made better but that will happen over time.
There are to many fans tha dont deserve to support this club and just wait for a bad result.
Yeah ... Kenny took us out of that whole but I don't want this era of his to be remembered as of the same as Graeme Souness's
And stop calling people you didn't deserve to be a fan, they have every right to voice their concern as results are very very much disappointing.
Forgot to sign this.
mighty reds
Please kill it with the building a new squad theory. Our best players (Gerrard, Skrtel, Agger, Lucas) have been around for a while now. Few good additions (Suarez, Enrique). We have been a top 4 team for over a decade. Why all of a sudden are we supposedly starting from scratch? Stop blaming Rafa, Americans, etc. We were a strong team every year (but one) under their reign. The past two seasons are the first ones where we can truly be labelled as mid table. A good manager would have done something with 100 million (examples: PSG winning French League first season with money, Man C challenged for top 4 first season). We are in a mid table battle for top 10. I am getting tired of the Kenny is god BS. He is a nice person. Horrible manager.
23 Mar 2012 10:09:31
The mail have launched an attack on kenny but they fail to talk about how good it would be to win two cups.
Red raj
Strangely for The Mail it was a reasonably balanced piece. It's good to ask questions.
Not a fan of the daily mail but I don't think they have "launched an attack" if you read the articles. Read it again rather than look at the headline.
Lets not listen to the media witch hunts. Kenny has done an amazing job in such a short space of time.
mighty reds
No Liverpool fan should be reading the mail these days. It's right up there with the sun for me.
MIKEY
I have read the article and i stand by what i said its an attack on Kenny they talk about his handaling of the suarez case, transfers and other things so the no name 3rd comment you read the article again and get a name.
Red raj
So you think his transfers and his handling of the suarez case was good?
He stood by Suarez like any manager would stand by their players.I bet you were loving winning the cup
Red raj
23 Mar 2012 10:05:59
Has anyone read the daily mail today its a really intresting double page about kenny's liverpool.Some people think he is the right man some think her is not.
23 Mar 2012 10:03:17
I know that everyone wants KK out now but I think we should give him a chance by saying that he MUST play Sterling and Suso to save himself.
Do you watch the Reserves Stering and Suso are a long way from being ready to play in the first team let alone "Save" kenny's job!!
That's if it needs saving after one Full season
Lyndon
23 Mar 2012 09:32:36
The problem with Liverpoolis not all about a forward in any succesfull team the goals come from every where our targest should be
Back four 10/15 goals per season
Midfield 30/40 goals a season
forwards min 15 goals each when we were great that is what used to happen now well I will leave you to fill in the blanks
With the amount of chances we do create every game those targets should not be a problem to reach mate.
23 Mar 2012 09:11:12
Eds, do you think we will sterling play a part in the run in? Would love to see him have the chance! {Ed002's Note - He may get a cameo or two at some point.}
23 Mar 2012 09:05:19
the kenny dalglish manhunt has become ridiculous since the qpr game. i dont think he should be blamed for the loss, the players need to take responsibility. all of the goals i would expect reina to do better with than what he did, he looks out of form/confidence. i have no idea what skrtel was up to for cisses goal. he just stood there and watched as cisse jumped above him and headed it in. and then there is enriques untimely slip. we got unlucky there but are you really gonna put that down to tactics? give kenny a break we were 2-0 up and dominating before the PLAYERS switched off
NZL_red
So if its down to the players what does Kenny do ? This is not just the QPR game we have been poor all season
Who switch the players off?Me ,You,Eds..?Serbian red
Who brought all the mega money crap players who can't change a game?
Serbian Red
Two players were switched off at 0-0! The other when we were 2-0 up! I fail to see how the changes made any impact on Liverpool getting beat 3-2! In fact you could say they had a positive effect considering Coates got the first goal.
Really stupid post Serbian Red
The Irish Rover
They were poor for 10 mins. Played very well upto then. Should of been out of soft by half time!!
Lyndon
23 Mar 2012 08:58:53
Macca you mentioned we would be staying at Anfield any idea when there will be an announcemnt also keep up the good work.
Lurgan Red
23 Mar 2012 08:56:14
Can I start of by saying I love KK BUT I THINK time has come for him to accept that he has been out of the game for too long and that after he came in and steadied the ship its time for him to think about tepping sideways. What about our no23 becoming a player manager with KK helping him and advising him fora couple of years I seem to remember this working to geat success a fe years back when a certain KK took the reigns and after reading JC book and listening to a lot of interviews and press clippings I think we could all agree JC is a very intellegent when it comes to the football side of the game and also has a very good knowledge of tatics etc.
Also think this would help rid the club off some of the waste of space players.
JUST A Friday morning rant
eds pls post in rumours
any thoughts ppl?
Lurgan Red
I would just be happy if Kenny told Carragher there is no place in this squad now.
Steve
23 Mar 2012 08:46:15
Who needs a striker, we.have Sebastian Coates...
23 Mar 2012 08:40:01
Differences of Swansea and Liverpool is three points So if anyone come and say Liverpool play like championship team then have to accept it. what more you waiting kenny just resign before we start hate you.
rock.
Swansea is a premiership team mate and they play like great.
Like Ipswich did in their first season in Premier league under George Burley
Where are They Both Now!!
You can rate a manager after one season
The way Swansea Play is as much down to Roberto Martinez!
Lyndon
23 Mar 2012 08:33:58
one of the QPR players said that the liverpool players looked tired towards the end of the game and so they decided they'll "have a go". As I've said before, I think the main mistake at the start of the season was to prioritise "silverware and 4th place". I think it should have been one or the other, not both. A man who chases two rabbits ends up catching neither! Even City and United with their deep squads knew that they couldn't aim for Europa leage/Fa Cup trophies without affecting their premier league run
redkenyan
23 Mar 2012 08:33:26
heres a stat for all you kk lovers
8 points from 24
well that aint good enough... sorry
Here's a stat for you, nameless:
Fergie's first season in charge of mancs: 11th.
Singred
It aint daglish's first season in charge dumbo
23 Mar 2012 08:32:16
Edds, I missed the interview on sky with Ian Ayre but read that when asked about the stadium he said nothing would happen within the next 2 years. Do you think he ment a decision would not be made or any work started? Cheers
{Ed002's Note - He would be referring to any work being undertaken.}
23 Mar 2012 08:08:30
Although our league position is the same as lSt year there is a huge difference between this year and last year. Under Roy we were shocking and being outplayed. Under Kenny we are playing the right way, have dominated most of the opposition yet have drawn or lost too many games because of poor finishing. Carrol has been a disappointment and whilst suarez has great moments he is not an out and out striker. What we need is simply an out and out striker and. Lacey right winger wh can cross the ball. We are not far off and despite the league position this year represents progress. In my view 4th has gone and we should give 2-3 youngsters a chance to show us if they are ready for next year. Reality Red
Bottom line is we have won a non event competition that gets us into a european non event competition .Kenny has made some costly signings that have not done the business we churn out the same excuse every week about how we dominated play but couldnt score the simple answer is everyone has got us sussed, give liverpool enough time and space and they will cock it up, we are at best very average I say bring in the kids to have a go now ,either play shelvey or let him go we brought him back off loan to polish the bench,just think on this how many of our current team would have got into Rafas team that finished second (and should have won with a bit more ambition) we have not replaced Alonso,Torres or Mascherano .
Yah yah after use £110m huge difference is 7th and 7th.
Yes there is a difference 7th with cup and a chance of winning another, many teams above us can not say that.
23 Mar 2012 07:50:26
eds id kenny goes could bbrendon rodgers be a realistic replacement. hes got a championship side around 8th on the league and there not the best side in the league but they are playing the best football
thoughts? thanks
Roy Hodgson did better than rodgers and got Manager of the Year! So what do think?
kidmillions
Brendon Rogers has done well, but beware..
we know what happened with Roy Hodgson
I want someone like Jurgen Klopp,
Didier Derschamps, Marcell Bielsa, Jorge Jsesus, Jeochim Loew or even a certain Rafa Benitez.
But Rafa needs to leave his dictatorial attitude behind and should be able to work along with Commoli. And his way of changing the squad before every new season needs to change too. No more make shift buys.
matty
Brendon Rogers has done well, but beware..
we know what happened with Roy Hodgson
I want someone like Jurgen Klopp,
Didier Derschamps, Marcell Bielsa, Jorge Jsesus, Jeochim Loew or even a certain Rafa Benitez.
But Rafa needs to leave his dictatorial attitude behind and should be able to work along with Commoli. And his way of changing the squad before every new season needs to change too. No more make shift buys.
matty
23 Mar 2012 07:18:04
I am getting restless..
Think Kenny has lost it, the dressing room, majority of the supporters, deluded, mismanagement, being over sarcastic. The results speaks and league position says it all. And any of these blind Kenny lovers, with Kenny tinted glasses calling we have won League cup and we are in FA cup semi's , listen the owners didn't equipped Dalglish with 100-120M pounds to get a Carling cup or a FA cup, they paid it to get into UCL, so that there plan will start running as planned with the extra revenue from UCL. The League cup or FA cup will only mean an extra bonus if we get.
I think all this mess he is in & he has put Liverpool in is because of his signings, If we remember correctly Liverpool were playing fast flowing great attacking football and hammering teams apart when he took over the reign last year. First it was Carroll, then the flood gates opened and crap began coming in. Adam, Henderson & Downing.
These four players cost 75-85M pounds, and non of them has made an impact, all of them has been far below average above all Dalglish is playing players like Henderson out of position.
Dalgslih should have kept his crap on the bench,... oops he made promises for the likes of Henderson they will be playing thus why he is playing out of position for the sake of giving playing time.
Anyways, this should have been the formation since the start of the season, Kuyt Suarez, Maxi, Shelvy, Gerrard, Lucas, Enrique, Agger, Skrtel, Johnson Pepe. with the likes of Bellamy, Adam, Downing, Henderson, Kelly, Coates & Doni on the bench.
Kuyt, Maxi & Suarez formed an understanding including Meirrales but instead Dalglish started throwing his new mega signings directly into the frying pan.
I don't want to say couple of years later, it is because of Dalglish we once again failed to rise to become a renowned power in club football with an enthusiastic bunch of owners after a long time, who are willing to spend and who supported him with millions of cash.
More like a Graeme Souness type eh..
I don't know what the owners or Dalglish is thinking but Dalglish has some serious problems to solve at the moment but he seems dumbfounded, clueless.
If he didn't want to restore his pride and his place within our hearts then he can carry on but his signings not performing is not a matter of time been needed to gel in they are just not good enough.
If Dalglish wants to stay and fight he has to make very tough decisions, no. one, send Andy Carroll, & Henderson out on loan to a BPL club like Swansea who plays pass and move football, sell Adam, & keep Downing.. as a squad player, buy a Goal scoring striker, a quality right winger & a quality Center Midfielder.
A decent backup goal keeper who will compete with Pepe for a starting spot. And ask Jamie Carragher to retire and join the management team.
We all know Dalglsih wants his team to play fast flowing pass and move football and he made us play that football when he came in but since he brought his misfits into the starting XI, they don't know how to adjust to it.
I doubt with out some very expensive changes in summer and with the likes of Johnson, Kuyt and Maxi leaving, we will get an significant improvement next season.
Two options for Dalglish,
(1) step down in an honourly manner and join the upper club hierarchy, where he belong,
(2) make up his mind, stop being biased and deluded, accept the fact that most of his signings are not good enough, make some tough decisions and build a team with quality players from abroad for next season.
May be we 'll win the FA cup this season but obviously our season is now over its only a matter of restoring the pride or reducing the damage limitation.
Anfield Cat
As soon as Kenny understand he have to go that much better for him and for the team.
Bravo my Friend, Very well written and to be honest i just can't argue with anything you have said.
100% ACCURATE.
IS that you Tabby
Sorry i didnt read all your message I stopped when it said Kenny took over a team playing fast flowing football this can only mean I was getting on the wrong bus and stopping at tranmere instead of anfield because under Roy the one thing we didnt do was play fast flowing football although it probably felt like it to Poulsen and Koncheski remember Spurs came to our place and took us apart at te end of last season so signings had to be made and players cleared out but those who have been brought in are not doing it Henderson always played out of position and overpriced ,Carrol we all know he was overpriced but how many times has he come on as sub and we have take the wingers off (can anyone remember ten decent crosses where he has been facing the goal) Adam slow clumsy and even his deadball play is not a patch on when he was at Blackpool sad to say we are where we always are at this time of the year wanting a fresh influx of players to challenge next year .If kenny stays he needs to pick players on merit and not sentiment or price tag and stop being so churlish in all his press conferences E.G when asked about Messi scoring 5 goals would it have kiled him to say what a great player he is but no its "if i say anything you will think I am trying to buy him"or I didnt see suarez not shake everas hand .time to step up or move up
What i Said was Kenny made Liverpool play fast flowing pass and football when he took over. Not under Roy Hodsgon.
Anfield Cat
23 Mar 2012 02:19:22
Curious if I'm the only one that thinks this, but does anyone else feel perhaps our squad's fitness isn't quite where it should be? All season we've just seemed a bit more tired than the opposition after about the 75' mark. Gerard, Adam (maybe a bad example, but relevant), Carroll, Suarez, even Kuyt just don't seem nearly as fit and mobile as the should be. Maybe the players are just 'enjoying' training too much?
I have notice this aswell, we come out firing and put teams under pressure and try and score, then 2nd half the pace is slower then about the 75th min the team is done and the other side exploits it. text book they have been doing this all season and if we can see it then premiership managers can see it and we become tactically easy to play against. just sit back and hold out as liverpool can`t score then wait and sucker punch them.
23 Mar 2012 02:03:24
The way I see it, is that LFC have stagnated as a club and commercial entity over the last 20 years.
This is due mainly to two reasons:
1: The long time owners of the club (Moores), were never commercially minded, and during the time from 1990 until only recently the club 'lost ground' in particular to Man U (who were just more commercially astute and aware, and were able to convert football triumphs into commercial gains).
Sadly LFC have a way to go to address and correct this period of stagnation.
2 Manager continuity, LFC have had a number of managers during Sir Alex's reign at Man U.
Its fair to say, that as a club we traded on our past successes for too long (our 18 titles and European success), one has already been surpassed.
Consequently as fans, we need to realise that we have fallen behind the other European Powerhouses, and we are now playing 'catchup'.
We became arrogrant about our successes, and now find ourselves facing the bitter reality that LFC is no longer the 'all conquering, trophy winning' club of the 80's.
This is our reality, we are making significant strides, but still have a very long way to go!.
Progress will be slow!
Red Apple.
A further point I forgot to make, and I hate comparing my wonderful club (LFC) to the mancs.
But the Mancs as I recall were listed (went public) on the Stock Exchange, this helped raise large sums, and precipitated the expansion of Old Trafford from 44K to 76k.
Give credit where it is due.
The increased match day revenues, commercial development, and acquiring and developing a formidable team during this time, allowed Man u to develop at a tremendous rate. While this was all happening, LFC plodded on during the 90's, and continued to fall further behind.
Without singing their praises, because it loathes me to do so. Man U really are a tremendous success story of the last 20yrs.
1: Manager continuity.
2: commercial and Business Acumen.
3: Team and squad development.
4: Progressive and dynamic, commercially astute club management.
All translate into a fantastic history of success, which is to be envied.
All the while LFC and its owners were 'dozing!'.
With our new owners in place, and the right manager in KK we are moving in the right direction, but we are playing catchup, and this will take many years to do.
So its all about patience, understanding and belief.
LFC for life.
Red Apple.
Being a Public company doesn't mean more money for he club. It just means Money for the owners placing the Club on Stock Market!
Barcelona Real Madrid Chelsea Man City Bayern Munich. Not Public Companies!!
Lyndon
23 Mar 2012 00:33:51
Just though it was an interesting article on Rafa, would love to see him back someday personally, think he is a great manager and knows his stuff
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soccer/news/20120322/rafa-benitez/
Ska-oop
(P.S. This is not some anti King Kenny post, I think he deserves till the end of the 12/13 season and then evaluate)
Rafa have learn lot more in football last a year he busy with african nations cup and champions league . Hope he back again.
23 Mar 2012 09:19:26
Great Ska-oop, back to zonal defending and constant roration of the team! Have a look at this page first..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Ferguson#Appointment_and_first_years
KTfaith
23 Mar 2012 00:12:38
9 games, 27 points, 12 points behind 4th.. we could still hope... stranger things have happened in football. ok, realistically, its not going to happen, i know but i just cant help feeling that there may be a final twist in this crazy season. kenny has been out of management for a long time yet still managed to claim a not so terrible league position last season, after a complete meltdown with woy, which may have seen us in a relegation battle if he was left in charge for the second half of the season. kenny has won the league cup already with a semi final at wembley on its way, in his 1st full season in charge (again). if we take advantage of the points remaining, theres no reason why this season cant finish a good 1. 2 cups and a 4th/5th league place? 5th may mean nothing to some people as we are already in europa league but to me it means progression. 2012/13 season prediction.. fa cup lifters, 3rd position and europa leaue champs. why not?
sorry for the length..
ryan c belfast ynwa!
Love your optimism bud!
I think 4th place will finish on 70-75 points - even if we did go on a run, it's beyond us now unfortunately.
A few important positions sorted in the summer - we all know, RW, ST...We'll be a real threat next season!
Lee YNWA
N sell carrol n adam. Even messi n ronaldo wud play c**p with these two in the team.
Indian Buzzer
22 Mar 2012 23:56:42
Hi Ed001,
Cheers for the reply on Jack Dunn mate, sorry took so long to reply don't get much time for big posts too often any more.....bring on easter :). Personally mate I am a big fan of Jack Dunn, I just think he has that touch of arrogance(on the field) to just be able to make it.
I was wondering if I could get your opinion on Enrique mate, he has been fantastic this season but I am still unsure about him. IMO I think he still has some important flaws he needs to address, particularly not 'tucking in' when the CB is out of position, his delivery can be very poor on occasion and he lets in far too many crosses in(although lately he has been addressing this, from what I can see). Do you think if Barcelona came in for him in the summer he would leave? He doesn't seem the most loyal, Lol I sound negative but will still love him to stay at the club, it is just that I believe Jack Robinson can be a very special LB for the club, and if he gains a bit physically(in terms out physical balance) he would be a better LB then Enrique. Would love your opinion.
Also, I don't say it enough but great site mate, completely addicted lol I try to stay updated as possible.
Jatt YNWA
p.s. Brilliant work KB mate keeping the King's flag flying high, embarrassing to see the lack of loyalty to a man who has brought nothing but success to our great club. I really, really hope the owners keep faith in him in the summer, because I believe we are on the cusp of challenging for top honours, with a great manager to lead us. Long live the King! {Ed001's Note - I am torn on Enrique, he started off playing a blinder, but his level has dropped recently. He does still have issues defensively, which was always my worry about him, though he is a lot better now than he was when I saw him play for Newcastle. I think experience is seeing that side of his game improve and he seems to work well with Agger, maybe he is missing having that direction and communication from the Dane? My real worry about him is that his attacking thrust has been lacking of late. The few times he gets into good positions his crossing has been wayward, that bothers me more than anything. I think his game will improve defensively the minute Agger returns, Skrtel has been fantastic this season, but he is not as vocal. Hopefully his attacking verve will return then too, the added confidence could work wonders on him.
I really don't know if he would stay if Barca came calling though, hard to see why he would to be fair to the lad. Like you said, we do have a fantastic alternative in young Jack Robinson for the future. Maybe it would be good to get a year or so more from him, let him go to Barca and drop Robinson right into place?}
Hi Ed001,
Interesting point mate, I do think Agger reads the game much better than Skrtel, who is much more likely to go for a 50-50 which IMO leaves a gap behind which Enrique tends not to fill, I also think it might be the fact that Agger is a lefty aswell, because he seems to stay closer to Enrique due to that being his stronger foot. Completely agree on his crossing, it is almost like he doesn't understand how to deliver a ball using a curve, it always seems to come in straight like an arrow which tend to be so much easier to defend as there is little deviation.
Again I would agree with you mate on Enrique, I would love him to stay another season and then sell him the following season, I reckon we would make at least 10-15m based on current fullback prices. I know it sounds weird but Robinson reminds me so much of Dennis Irwin, he just seems to have that identical demeanour and its a quality I love to see in any fullback, its why I believe the lad is going to be some player.
We miss Lucas badly when Agger is out, because with Carra not been at his best recently we lack an organiser, bless little Jay but he just doesn't command the respect to do it, reminds me so much of when Lucas was in the shadow of Xabi, Mascherano and Stevie.
Like you mate I am torn on Reina, he was the best GK in the world two seasons ago but has been progressively getting worse, and so surprising considering you expect the complete opposite at this stage of his career, do you think Xavi Valero leaving had an effect on him? or even Arteta going to London? I have always been a critic of Reina to an extent as I believe it should be fundamental for a GK to come and collect the ball from corners etc. but he has always been awful at it, which is why when I heard the Arsenal interest I was in a catch-22 as I would have sold him and gone for someone like Begovic, I have always been of the opinion that we are far too susceptible to set pieces with Carra and Reina in the team, but as that his not much of an issue any more with pretty much our who back line being over 6 foot, I am not sure whether we should pursue with him, what do you reckon mate?
Jatt YNWA {Ed001's Note - I do think the change in keeping coach has not suited Reina, at least not yet, it might be just that he needs time to adjust. If he can get back to form, I would keep him, at his best he is one of the best in the world, but I would want someone to push him for the place, just in case he doesn't get back into form.}
22 Mar 2012 23:47:25
i know were missing a striker which is obvious but to me the main problem is our midfield.we miss lucas.gerrard is playing far too deep and quite honestly adam,henderson,spering arnt good enough to play together and control games.2 nil up against qpr and we were still frantic in the middle.miss an alonso or scholes like player in the middle to put there foot on the ball and keep calm in possesion.
i hope kenny is given time because im not one for changing managers freely.reminds me of when souness was in charge and he tried to change alot of players quickly.it didnt work out and he was slated for buying average players but he was trying to build a squad first then add little bits of quality later.given time a think he could of become a sucessful manager.i think kenny is trying to do the same.i hope kenny is given time and judged after a couple of full seasons.hope the fans and owners keep backing kk and see where we go.
weve been going backwards for a few seasons now and the squad did need a big change.im as frustrated as the next fan but we need to except rome wasnt built in a day..
jeffsy
22 Mar 2012 23:31:33
I think it's pretty obvious that the team at the moment isn't doing aswell as we all hoped for. People are blaming the signings kenny made and that they're rubbish but at the time they were the signings to make- Henderson - wasn't he sunderlands player of the season?they were raving about him up there and played really well for them,box to box midfielder with an eye for a pass and the odd goal.
Carroll- was banging them in for Newcastle,got in the England squad,defenders couldn't handle him.
Downing-didn't he have more crosses than any other player or assists?
Adam- ran that Blackpool team,great corners and free kicks resulting in many goals.
So on paper these players seemed to fit the bill to what we needed so to blame kenny for bad signings I think is wrong.
Clearly they haven't performed aswell as they have done at their previous clubs and watching them play for us now makes us wonder what's happened to them. Is it bad management, bad lifestyle, lack of confidence I don't know.
Carrolls 1st touch is pretty shocking and he needs to bulk up more to stop getting pushed about, downing needs the balls to get past defenders and whip it in.
I'm hoping that this is just a 1st season "bedding in" period for them and next year after getting used to each other and knowing that they now play for Liverpool football club we will see some better results.
We have controlled most games this season but wether it be bad luck,amazing opposition goalies,bad finishing,great love of hitting the post our build up play at times has been very good.
This season in the league is a write off but there's def signs of things to come, we've got good youngsters, good backing from nsv, a manager who knows how football the Liverpool way should be played. It might take a while for it all to come together but I'm still positive it will.
One or two decent signings in the summer,find a system that works for everyone and I have high hopes :)
The crowman
David Vaughan ran that Blackpool team and Adam was given a free role to do his stuff.
Mr.Roller Coaster
Carroll, henderson, adam - decent players for average teams.