Liverpool Banter Archive January 23 2012
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23 Jan 2012 23:22:53
It's easy to like Keisuke Honda, he's explosive and good to watch, but he could also fill the vacant playmaker role at Liverpool.
Honda is almost certain to leave CSKA Moscow imminently, and probably for around £8m-£12m. The Japanese international gained a lot of admirers after his performances at the 2010 World Cup, so expect there to be a bit of rumble for his signature. Lazio are supposedly very keen, and PSG will likely have a keen eye on his commercial benefits, but Liverpool should be getting in the queue too.
I'm convinced that one of the key issues at Anfield at the moment is a lack of craft and subtlety in the attacking play. Charlie Adam's not good enough, Steven Gerrard isn't that type of player, and Luis Suarez plays too high up the pitch to provide it – they need guile and originality. Flair, creativity – Honda has those attributes in spades.
It's just a theory, but if Liverpool did express an interest in Honda they would shoot to the front of the queue. English football is enormous in Asia, and the player is said to prefer a move to this part of Europe if its possible – for an Asian footballer, a move to Liverpool would be very hard to turn down.
He's a special player, and would just add a little bit of spice to what's becoming a very bland team. Come on now Kenny, the English player thing was a nice thought, but let's start thinking outside the box.
Source: The Premier League Owl
Really hope we at least try and get him as commercially we would gain but most importantly he is a class act.
BigD
Honda wud b a crackin signing! I have no doubt he wud do well.
Liverpool will get 4th get behind the lads and we will b fine. We will beat city and utd!
Bolton was last weekend so heads up and look to the future
Why don't we some sort of peacefully strike to push the transfer of Honda through? He is a cracking superstar. Will be one of the missing pieces in the puzzle along with a very strong, proven, pacey goals core
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Alright then everybody chip in 10 quid and we'll buy Honda for KK's bday present! Actually make it 20 and we'll get him Honda, Dempsey and Pienaar! Or make it 40 and bring back Alonso n Mach...azkop
23 Jan 2012 23:22:43
Without a doubt we need 1) a striker; Cavani, Huntelaar or Podolski 2) a winger; Gotze, Hazard or Shaqiri.
Suarez - Cavani/Huntelaar/Podolski
Bellamy - Lucas - Gerrard - Gotze/Hazard/Shaqiri
Enrique - Agger - Skrtel - Johnson
Reina
Wake up fool
Who mentioned Dempsey as a good target over the summer? Oh wait he's too old... not good enuf. Am I crazy or is his sorta work ethic, energy, attacking skills and experience EXACTLY what we need. Forget the Cavani/ Llorente/ Podolski types who I guarantee will fail to make an immediate impact coming in from foreign leagues--- what we need is experienced EPL strikers. ASAP PLEASE. azkop
23 Jan 2012 23:05:16
Just got a few of points to make:
1. Player swap deals are very very uncommon however virtually every other "rumour" seems to be about one.
2. Carroll is going no where and I for one don't think he should. Yes I'll concede he has been poor but to pay £35 million for such a young guy to sell on the following season is ridiculous. Wouldn't surprise me if he ends up being another Lucas.
3. People moaning about use not chasing absolute top class players need to actually look at the club. I love Liverpool but would you jeopardise Champions League football for a club with no guarantee and potentially a cut in wages. I love Liverpool but its not about get a player for X amount. They have to want to come and have to fit in with squad tactically to name just a couple of factors. However couple of years down the line we may be able to attract the top top players
Rant over.
-Al-
Very valid points AJ.
23 Jan 2012 23:03:29
i for one was made up with the signings we made in the summer and xmas, we signed all players who had great seasons at there old clubs. if all of them would play to there abilty we would have a class side we still need time to gel all great teams take time.
phil
23 Jan 2012 23:02:50
hope we get jelavic seen this guy play great touch, pace, skill and can score goals. look at what we paid for carrol this guys cheaper and would do a better job than andy it makes sence.
23 Jan 2012 22:53:30
Hi Guys,
Im a rangers and liverpool fan
I understand why liverpool fans r worried about signing big jelavic with him only have played in the spl and not england but in his first season he lit the spl up and his technical ability is great.
He has a total loss of form but so have rangers.
The tims (celtic fans) just dont like to admit hes the best striker in scotland and try to slag him
He done 2 overhead kicks, scored a few cracking top corner free kicks last season. But hes strong has some skill and a burst of pace to get past a man,
This season hes been s**te and still score over 17 goals!
If big jela found his form and signed for liverpool i think with the chances that use create hed score a barrell load,
Whats your thoughts guys??
I have not seen enough to judge but I wouldn't be as disappointed with him if he signed as much as others may be! We need someone that's for sure, if he's the one coming in then so be it, he's got my support
Square tomato
Cant say i've seen him play to be honest, never even heard of him till he was mentioned on this site and no doubt its the same for others on here, but if you are a rangers fan and given the sort of info you've given, you could possibly be (you never know over the internet, talhotblonde program) But, my opinion is that of others in that there is a massive gulf in class between SPL and EPL, but, if he's bangin in goals and the team are not on form, then he sounds like what we need, a proven goalscorer. My opinion is that given the amount of other people that have come to the EPL and people have said they might not produce, its always worth a go. He's not guna demand 200k a week, he probably wont have an attitude and he might actually want to play for Liverpool, so all factors involved, i would say he may be worth a punt.
Carb
24 Jan 2012 13:41:44
I think as a gers fan guys 8 million or over and rangers would accept or maybe 6-7 with a player coming our way, But everyone has been told ten million. I think big jela could do the stuff in the Epl.
check out one of his overhead kicks
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Zj3A_6v2iA
23 Jan 2012 22:53:19
Hi Guys,
Im a rangers and liverpool fan
I understand why liverpool fans r worried about signing big jelavic with him only have played in the spl and not england but in his first season he lit the spl up and his technical ability is great.
He has a total loss of form but so have rangers.
The tims (celtic fans) just dont like to admit hes the best striker in scotland and try to slag him
He done 2 overhead kicks, scored a few cracking top corner free kicks last season. But hes strong has some skill and a burst of pace to get past a man,
This season hes been s**te and still score over 17 goals!
If big jela found his form and signed for liverpool i think with the chances that use create hed score a barrell load,
Whats your thoughts guys??
If Big Andy found his form
Bilshauketly
23 Jan 2012 22:20:40
Before we moan too much about our more recent signings, try not to forget who they replaced in the squad;
I think most supporters got what they wanted in terms of improvement. Yeah, Juan Mata etc would've been great but we didn't get him did we? C'est la vie.
On form I would've taken Henderson for Joe Cole, Enrique for Konchesky/Insua, Downing for Babel, Adam for Aquilani and if you want to look at it without price tags involved and based on form - I would've taken Bellamy for Torres and Carroll for N'gog.
There have been some poor performances lately, but only a few weeks back we were all marvelling at the pass and move and the chances being created. You've got to build a good team and it can take time and there will be mistakes and some players who don't work out as well as hoped. Look at the big-money flops that Utd and Chelsea have signed over the years, they still managed to win the league though.
square red
Well said square red.
You have hit the nail on the head.
Doesn't Ngog play for Bolton.
23 Jan 2012 22:50:28
Jus watching videos of Xherdan Shaqiri, 20 yrs old , prob twice the amount we paid for Adam but easily twice the player, sweet left foot, Fenerbace say they have signed him!?.....
JayB
If its not to much trouble could u ban joe hart had a stormer against us last match and regarding andy could you like maybe cut off his ponytale? i wreckin hes running so 2 slow cause its weighing him down what else could it be? lol
The one above
wat the hell u talkin bout
u mad bro
23 Jan 2012 22:37:42
Hi fa rep here just like to know if you need us to ban anymore city players to give you a chance on wed but personally I think it would be better if we ban carrol for impersonating a centre forward just let me know
I think this is an attempt at humour but im not sure
23 Jan 2012 22:15:17
In reference to the person saying Damian Connoli should be fired.
This is an interesting one. Kenny takes a lot of flack for transfers while DC gets off scott free quite often.
I think some have the signings have been over the price, but i think that's what happens when you buy within the prem, especially English players.
However I do not think he should be fired in terms of the financial deals he has done:
Enrique - A steal at 5/6 mill but influenced by his contract length being short.
Carroll - Many people would say this is a shocking deal, but effectively Newcastle hold an extremely strong hand. With the deal being last minute and NFC not looking to sell the price was always going to be high. Many people reference VDV for spurs, however he was surplus to requirements at R. Madrid. Effectively though it doesn't matter, it was all covered by the Torres deal so who cares how much we paid for him?
Downing - Villa not really looking to sell, and he was in form last season. I think the price was reasonably fair, A. Young was cheaper you cry! Well he didn't have long on his contract.
Adam - Pretty cheap we all knew he was coming really. Blackpool also conducted business incredibly badly throughout so hard to deal with
Henderson - Personally I think he's going to be brilliant and a fantastic addition to the squad. At what 16m i think that's a bargain.
Kenny's brief to DC and was he wanted English talent ready for the prem, he wanted to play a British ethos of footy. This is what we have seen in the transfers.
The clubs transfer policy is to buy young players on sensible contracts, to stabilise the terrible sums of money given to poor (Johnson) or aging players (Kuyt).
Whether this style of footy has had it's day¦.i don't think so. Many players are adapting to new surrounding, some aren't good enough, and some are feeling the pressure we, the fans.
On a personal note, I have joined the Ed002 fan club, keep living the dream Ed002!
Realistic red. {Ed002's Note - You hamper will be in the post any time now.}
23 Jan 2012 22:09:17
so what are the chances of us signing noone? gotta say looking at our recent performances I think it would be a mistake
Craig noone why not.
ACHILLES.
23 Jan 2012 22:08:28
by the 31st of jnaury i bet all you liverpool supporters will be pleased on transfer siginings f not most of oyu and by may 15th you will all be laughing " jelavic ynwa " or something have trust and beleif come on u reds
peoples person
23 Jan 2012 22:07:51
People need to be realistic about the type of players they think we can attract, top quality players want to play in top quality competitions, we are not in them, we are not in the champions league and we cannot in way shape or form win the premier league for the next few years with other teams present squads and ability to go out and spend phenominal amounts of money, and any player looking on must surely be convinced we won't be in the champo's league next season either,
we are going to have to have one hell of a season in the next few with a not so great squad to get in the top 4 through probably amazing luck and then top quality players will come, the europa league does NOT attract quliaty players, and truth be told where liverpool have sent a bench mark where they will not pay ridiculous amounts of money in wages players will go else where, players don't go to clubs for their 'history' anymore, otherwise we would have a squad full of quality, players go to the highest bidders in terms of wages, and as rafa would say thats a 'fact'
Spot on.
What we can offer them right now, is the possibility of playing in those competitions.
Suppose its like joining a company, one considers its mission statement, and its vision.
We all know what the great LFC mission statement is and indeed what the vision is.
23 Jan 2012 21:59:25
Andy Carroll will be sold in the summer and this is why:
1- no confidence
2- shocking first touch
3- poor control
4- no balance
5- constantly moaning (at his team mates!)
6- that pony-tail
7- marked with ease
8- looks lazy
9- lacks passion/doesn't seem to care
10- lacks goals/little threat
11- looks unfit, and has done all season
12- few signs of progress
13- laughing stock with opposition fans
14- out of England reckoning
15- Kenny seems baffled in how to improve him
16- drinking rumours still dog him
Your post will be ignored by real LFC supporters and this is why:
1. You support another team
2. You have no clue about football
3. You're a tool and a coward who thinks that singularly abusing a player in a public forum without the balls to leave your name is a tough act. The words 'End' and 'Bell' spring to mind.
cozinoz
You forgot one
17.Playing for a team where the fans dont back him full stop .
Seriously im not asking for blind faith but give him a break .Let me guess you hated Lucas as well .I am not overly happy with him but i really want him to do well .We have had some absolutely rubbish players put on the famous jersey but with our support they put some inspired performances the problem is we now live in a new age supporter.
Look at Chelsea(no not a chelsea supporter) they still back that player we sold them and he has been absolutely shocking .
Im not saying he is playing great but let him feel he is wanted and supported by us .One of the reasons most players that leave us dont do well is because of us the supporters been to some amazing nights at Anfield where players felt the support and the atmosphere and gave back.Now Anfield has become a place to destroy your confidence.
Yeah, but apart from that.......
Rigsby.
And you took the time to write the numbers and everything. bless.
Take a good player and make him better, that the LFC way, not break him down, ridicule and taunt.
Yes, AC might not be performing as he could or should, but damnit he is wearing a Lverpool shirt and this means he has my support.
Food for thought.
I have never heard of a man be fired for his ponytail, i understand a need to look presentable for representin the club, but bein fired for a ponytail? Thats hairism, lol.
Carb
23 Jan 2012 21:51:36
Is there anything new on Podolski and Kagawa? I know Podolski would prefer not to move but could something still happen between those 2 players and Liverpool?
23 Jan 2012 22:06:12
To all those questioning whether or not a player currently in the SPL can make the transition to the English top flight please look back in history; Kenny Dalglish was signed from Celtic and was a hit at Liverpool, and nowadays a legend. So my answer is this, if the player is signed, support him and let him do his talking on the pitch.
Please explain to me what relevance there is to your statement.
Chris in Tamworth
I think he was talkin bout jelavich signing
23 Jan 2012 21:58:43
Lets try something new
Wednesday no matter what Carroll, downing or Henderson do, we cheer every touch. Confidence is everything. it is in the mind but we can lift them, we should support anyone who wears red our red
Lets be that 13th man. lets support all who wear the badge and most of all lets walk through this storm together. we are the best supporters in the world, lets act like them
sweetcorn
I couldn't agree more. We have nothing else to lose so we may as well give it all we've got and show them that we fully support them!
Cheers, Conor.
Who's going to be the 12th man?
FT
I agree but no amount of cheering will make up for the lack of talent carrol possesses. What I cantunderstand is that us liverpool supportershave seen so much quality football and quality players at Anfield and away from home so you can say we know a good player when we see one.... So why the hell are we blinded by the awfulness of players like carrol. Yes I hear some of you saying we got to support our players....but honestly step away and ask yourself is carrol liverpool quality? If u had the money now would you buy hi and I am not talking about $35m. Would you buy it for $10m or so... I wouldnt....he is not liverpool quality. No skill no drive no passion no ability... Why cant kk sre this? I dont want to just bark about carrol...downing, adam n maybe just maybe hendo r not liverpool quality, but I think hendo is young n can b made into a liverpool quality player as he has pace can dribble etc...... But come on something is going wrong at liverpool in terms of players we r signing or tactics being used. N we r all too blind to see it
Who is the 12th man so
Uhhh the 12th man is obviously KK
23 Jan 2012 21:58:42
Ž"There is no need to panic, only half the season has gone." John W Henry on LFC current form.
#nbstw
23 Jan 2012 21:29:05
Hi Everyone!
I'm annoyed! its such a shame i cant look on this website and see Liverpool linked with some truely promising stars of the world
You hear Man u, Chelsea and even Arsenal trying to sign players like hazzard and who are we linked with... Jelavic! Come on Kenny get your head in the game get Honda, Hazzard and Messi and i'll sit here happy and so will most liverpool fans who have got so fed up of the crap we get from man united fans
Who here would like liverpool to sign someone special?
I was once linked (few years ago now mind ) with several members of the spice girls . . however not of it ever came true . . Funny how that sometimes happens .
Mr slonk The Red
YNWA
I'd love to see those 3, but I don't know where we'd fit Messi in.
Rigsby.
Messi is over-rated anyhow. One-trick pony who shows rare touches of skill. I'd convert him to a left-back as the boy can tackle on his day and maybe alternate him with Enrique.
cozinoz
So now messi is overrated, is he cozinoz?
U dont know anything abt football, do u? Next u will be saying u wud rather have adam than messi in our squad, if ever u were offered a choice.
Indian Buzzer
Ahhh Indian Buzzer........not only are you the most depressingly negative poster on here but you are also the dimmest.
cozinoz
I meant messi is the best in the world. Does that make me dim? what did he win the 3 fifa world player of the year trophies for, if he isnt the best in the world? Atleast give credit where it is due.
Indian Buzzer
Lol I'll teach you all about irony one day, Indian Buzzer
cozinoz
Lol.
Indian Buzzer - You still don't get it do you?
lol. You must be dimmer than he gave you credit for.
Messi is obviously very average (at best) to anyone who understands the game.
BJH YNWA.
23 Jan 2012 21:16:12
Ed do you know whether Spearoing will be back for the city game? {Ed002's Note - He probably won't be available until the Wolves game.}
S**t...
Red7.
I thought Kenny said it was just a tight hamstring hopefully your wrong otherwise I would play Agger or Coady in midfield. Do you think there is a chance of Coady playing ed? {Ed002's Note - It would be guess work so I will say no.}
23 Jan 2012 21:14:58
Did drop a note last week whilst on holiday in goa,just to say there were no rumours from there but the weather was nice. Unfortunately, it wasn't deemed interesting enough to make the page.
Back home now, still no Indian based rumours ref Liverpool players, but weather continued to stay nice.
To be honest, my last statement has three elements of truth, which frankly blows most comments on here into a cocked hat!
YNWA
Yeah we get it your on holiday. Lol
Remember to use sunscreen. Haha
MIKEY
23 Jan 2012 21:05:29
I think I've just seen Texeira at melwood. I don't know what he looks like but this guy looked South American or maybe Swedish but it was probably him.
Whice one d or j ? serch web u can find picture man easy
Texeira looks kinda chinese {Ed002's Note - Fiendish.}
South American or swedish? Haha how funny.
MIKEY
Its crap like this that gets peoples hopes up for no reason!
I think ive just seen jesus by mine.i dont know what he looks like but he had long hair a beard so it must be him................
FOOOOOOL!
STE
He looks fiendish? I had no idea he was from Fiendland.......
Redjinal
Elvis just left the building...lol
23 Jan 2012 21:03:22
My guide to enjoying the Liverpool rumours site:
1. Scan the post quickly and if the number 35 is mentioned, even just once avoid reading it.
2. Repeat as required.
MIKEY
That's good advice.
If it says downing or adam RUN
MIKEY ill give you 35 million pound if u like.
MF
Also if it says 'red turk' or 'indian buzzer' you can save a precious minute of your life by just clicking the 'disagree' button and move to the next post.
cozinoz
That would be a good drinking game huh? Every time you red 35 million pounds, drink! You would certainly get legless pretty fast, Haha.
KiwiRed
23 Jan 2012 21:03:12
damien comoli should be fired he is the world's worst negotiator and should be fired, anybody could do his job; listen to which kenny's preference is and give the team they play for the exact money they want. maybe the reason he pays top price is because he is french and they're not able to fight and give in to the otheres demand.
So, you think he should be fired
Chris in Tamworth
"They're not able to fight"... i'm guessing this poster is american yeh?
Are u alan sugar?or do u just like sayin fired
ste
23 Jan 2012 20:59:47
wouldnt mind having j.cole and aqaulani instead of henderson and downing. or adam. he makes poulsen look good. just kidding, just trying to say, our team hasnt improved much. jovanichich whatever his name is better than carrol.... have we changed much? suarez for torres. the only thing we've improved on is our left back.. if we just bought enrique and suarez with 20 mil left from torrez deal and saved 30 mil from flops, allowed youngsters to play, we would be better off.... in the league. kenny hasnt stuck with a first 11 because he cant decide which medioca player to start, hoping that one will shine.
Quite agree mate, To many changes of players, tactics and formation, Play your best eleven, we have a big squad and plenty of youngsters....Bobbinred
23 Jan 2012 20:56:49
ed can u confirm why john w henry and tom werner at anfield today any specfic reason and where they really they just heard it on twitter!!please reply {Ed002's Note - I have no idea, sorry.}
I also read that they're on the way over. I assume its so they can attend our next two fixtures at Anfield, they usually come over for the big games.
RedSG
Probably here for the Citeh and Spam games.
LJ
Has anything accurate ever arisen from Twitter? It is the absolute least reliable source of rumours in the world right now. That being said, I note Soldado's facebook page says " Can't wait to join Liverpool. Me and that racist dude are going to run riot"
23 Jan 2012 20:56:42
Let me begin by saying that I respect and admire King Kenny for his loyalty and service to LFC. I love him for the happy times he gave me as a supporter, as a manager and was gutted when that cretin Hodgson got the job over KD on July 1st 2010 when we all know the king should have got it (I hope you rot in hell cecil). These sentiments had foundation as we had a blistering set of results at the back end of last season and had he been given the job sooner we would have gained champions league qualification for this season. Anyway my question is and i supposse im playing devils advocate here has kenny been found out tactically this season and were last seasons results just the benefit of a feel good factor post Hodgson or has he just bought diabolically and is paying the price for those 'mistakes' in the transfer market? Also one more question at this point if there was an option of Rafa coming back would you take that option? Me I think Kenny needs one more season with the right personell and I think we would be world beaters i love his brand of incisive, flowing, ole football but he needs to come to terms with the fact that hes bought appalingly and ship out the dross and replace with loanees or youth surely they cant be any worse? AC, SD and CA shouldnt be anywhere near the first team Miami_Red
23 Jan 2012 20:56:30
So £100m to spend...which manager would spend it best?
Dalglish or Rafa. As much as King Kenny is my hero I have to say Rafa.
You're missing the point . . .Kenny is our manger now NOT Rafa
Question should be . .REGARDLESS of money SUPPORT YOUR TEAM AND MANAGER
YNWA
You guessed
Mr Slonk The Red
Hindsight really is 20/20, isn't it?
I would spend it best. I'd buy a house, a car, a holiday home, put a few million in a bank account for my daughter for when she's older, i'd sort my family out, you know. But thats not the point, as said above, Kenny is mananger, let him spend it as he wishes, he's the one who has to deal with it when the time comes
Carb
I'd blow the LOT!
If I had a 100m to spend, I wouldn't spend it on a footballer, maybe a nice Chateau or Castle, a wine farm, or a date with Paula Patton or Halle Berry... Yum, Yum. Certainly not a ugly footballer with a ponytail...Yikes!.
Sorry mate, don't mean to make fun, there is more to life than "re-hashing and repeating the past"...Time to move on now, its done, look forward to what is to come, not that which can not be changed.
Long live the King!!.
I think the £100m spend figure has got lots of people questioning the manager. The owners have been very clever IMO and the manager very canny in his signings. I think if everybody got their calculators out they would see that whilst £100m has been spent, £70-75m has been recovered in sales. So the squad has actually been revamped for only £25-30m in real terms, good business really
Revamped but not improved.
You can revamp something does not mean its an improvement over what was previously there!
Aquiliani?
23 Jan 2012 20:47:46
I think alot of you should crack on and get your badges because you clearly think building a successful FIFA squad enables you to make better judgements than Kenny. We are having a blip, and Carrol is not the man for the job fine! but we have yet to have our best 11 on the field together this season, and even then we have played some outstanding football. Maybe this year we will miss out on CL. But we are heading in the right direction, and when we have our full fit squad out on the field for a run of games, (which may be next season now)! We will be impressive.
Common sense! At last I've seen it on here.
kidmillions
For the record, Podolski has scored a bundle for Pool in my Fifa league. And I have made it totally realistic. Liverpool have 108 points with 2 games left. Clearly we are much better with Podolski.
A lot of people forget you cant save before a game, so if we lose, we jus cant reload and try again until u win, givin us the best results in the league and an undefeated season and all the money for transfer from all the cups won, it jus doesnt work like that in real life.
Carb
23 Jan 2012 20:34:58
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He might have said 'no' all transfer window but he's correct, isnt he?
cozinoz
23 Jan 2012 19:56:21
So now we know why 'arry values Bale at £150M ....what a percentage that would be.
If my boss said I was worth £150M I'd be asking for a wapping pay rise! Doubt Spuds will cough up though.
Iggypop
That's gonna come back to bite Spurs in the bum when it comes to renegotiating his contract... =]
LJ
That is a lot of money for his dog in Monaco.
Isn't he linked with the England job.
Ha, ha, then Harry is in perfect company, recall Capello had to answer some tax questions, and then there's swinger Sven, he will fit right in with all those FA types with their 'dirty laundry'!.
Good old Arry.
23 Jan 2012 19:45:56
Is spearing available for wed night? I felt we missed his bite in midfield against bolton.
Mighty reds
23 jan 2012 19:41:55
big deal jelivic plays in scottish league let me remind all you know it all,s dalgiesh,hanson(partick thistle player) wark,etc , jelivic isnt just a goal scorer his overall play is good and if liverpool got him he would be better playing along with better players , so dont be to quick to judge a player that you probly never watch you,se are judgeing him on the basis that he plays in the spl,believe me if another epl team gets him it will come back and bite you,se big time.
The spl is a pub league, the players you mentioned come from a time when Scotland was producing some great players. Those days are gone, for now
Chris in Tamworth
My mates in Glasgow who are Rangers fans have said time and time again that Jelavic is not good enough for the Premiership. I believe them - from what I have seen he is not good enough for Liverpool... unless that is Kenny wants to carry on signing mediocre players ala Carroll, Adam, Downing.
23 Jan 2012 20:19:28
I think it's terrible how the so called loyal Liverpool supporters want King Kenny out.
Please have some faith in my fellow scot, he will bring the good times back and have a bit of respect for what he has done for you over the years.
Personally I hope he stays at Anfield forever!
Sir Alex x
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(tumbleweed)
Not enough effort put into that one
Zzzzz sir alex x zzzzz
Sir Alex, wondered where you were!
Most likely took you two days to read through all the sack King Kenny bullsh*t !.
Its just plain offensive is it not, imagine the sheer audacity and indeed stupidity of some of the recent posts.
King Kenny is the embodiment of LFC, he represents all that is great and good about the club, and football in the wider societal context, community. Sadly some folks can not see this, nor do they want to.
Long live our King.
Shankly's Red Army.
Shankly's Red Army....you've been had .
Its just playing along is it not.
Maybe, Sir Alex (our tormentor in chief, chuckle/giggle)) was one of those Manc fans who called for his namesakes sacking back in the 1980's.
23 Jan 2012 20:19:04
Evening Roy! Didn't think it would be long to hear from you!
Regarding your comments i don't know whether i got the wrong end of the stick but from a very early age there was just 2 people who rated Lucas from 2007 onwards.
I was one, the other was Rafa Benitez. I'm wondering if that is what you meant as i cannot recall saying he isn't quality standard at any time?
Obliged though for your input, always welcome to read.
Bob the Red
Sir Bob , Good morning to you.
I have to start by this, A proof of how fickle some people are on this site, somebody have clicked disagree on your message to me, why?
Anyway, what I meant Bob, a couple of years ago I remember (and I might be wrong), posts from you after a couple of games when you criticised Lucas for his performances, (and rightly so), I think one of them after a Wigan game where he gave away a penalty needlessly, my point was Bob, every now and then a player will have a bad game and fans will complaint and they have a right to do it, the problem what is happening on this site these days; you have 2 campaigns of extremes, on one hand you have those that criticise and moan about a player/s however they performed, and on the other, you have those that think a player is always excellent even if they hardly had a decent touch, Carroll as an obvious example (just an example ..), in my opinion he has n't performed for us yet as well as he could and a Liverpool forward should, with time he may gets better , but for now, posts about he is been excellent are just as fickle as those that claim he will never make it-- but whatever opinion you have it does n't make you any less of a supporter, I can sympathise with the complainers , I had high hopes (I really thought top 4 was achievable in particular the way Chelsea and Arsenal started their season), now this hope is fading pretty fast ...
One last thought though, its ok to come here complain and moan to your heart content, but one thing Liverpool supporters never did and should never do, is take these feelings to Anfield, we never boo our team, or shout abuse at our own players and should never do it, last year I was a lonely voice on this site about how bad Hodgson was , but it was very painful to hear the shouts of abuse the KOP targeted at him during his last couple of games.
Roy
23 Jan 2012 20:11:53
Reply to Kevin :-
Firstly mate i never abuse a fellow poster who takes the time and trouble to put his opinion across. We may, though have to agree to disagree which is what banter is all about!
I don't know about the Ed's or my fellow readers but hasn't today's banter been excellent and far better than the dross we have all too frequently had to endure? Lifts the soul to know they are plenty of top quality fans out there. Fair play to you all.
Kevin, I understand your point regarding the price on Downing but isn't price subjective in any event? Buying 'British' comes at a premium we know that. We possibly didn't want to pay that much, who would? But without hindsight it looked like Dalglish was setting his team up to supply the ammunition for Carroll. Not working yet, granted but more patience and time is needed in my opinion.
Looking at the quotes from Commoli & Dalglish this time last year, they said exactly the same thing! Then BANG £70 odd million! I don't think you can hang your coat on some of the things they say. Cloak and dagger stuff really.
And i don't think you can compare our project with City's. Unless of course you realise City's project started 4 seasons ago and Dalglish is in his first.
I think the status of the club means that we have to aim high in any event without being unrealistic. Champions league has to be the target for everyone.
Our targets were limited to a certain extent being out of CL. We cannot pay what City are offering wages wise and we had to reduce the wage bill in any event. So this further reduces targets.
Don't forget we collected over £80M in revenue so the £100M odd that you quote was only a net spend of £20M odd.
From that point of view Suarez, Enrique have more than ensured we have signed some great players with instant success. Henderson is improving, albeit a little slowly but he is definitely changing people's opinion about him. Carroll and Downing? Yep still need to do a lot more but really for both of them it's only been half a season.
They must be given far more time? Carroll didn't pick his tag, so it's unfair to keep throwing that at him. We all know he aint worth that but what happened to giving players 2 years?
I think your frustration is boiling over when you quote 'we'll finish 5th-10th.' Never going to happen mate. 3 teams in it for 4th. We're still definitely still in it.
Yes we're missing golden opportunities to capitalise on the slip up's of CFc and AFc (small c's) likeswise they are saying that about themselves towards us!
Don't worry about disagreeing mate. All part and parcel of everyone being different. I don't like rank bad supporting which doesn't do any thing like.
I look forward to reading more from you and the rest of the guys that have been on here today. I read everything that is full of reason and description, whether i agree or not, i respect your opinion.
Bob the Red
23 Jan 2012 20:10:51
im a true liverpool fan and whilst i respect kenny daglish , i think we need to look closer to home do not believe that kenny daglish has money and hes not spending . no manger in there right mind would be offered the money and just not spend it , so obvly the owners dont think any investment may be needed in conclusion ibelieve that kenny should leave and bring back rafa! what you think ?
Dead giveaway - not being able to spell the manager's name. Try again sunshine from the safety of the manc pages.
Even if you are a Red of the scouse persuasion (and a very bad speller) then hold your head in shame. One year in - Liverpool managers are usually given time from a patient and educated fan base - the season aint over yet. With wins against both citeh and spam youll be eating your words as early as Sunday!!
23 Jan 2012 20:10:20
Why is Carroll still here? Hasn't KD realised he is not needed!? And why is he no.9? That number is for GOOD players...I know hes young but hes had a year and not done much for 35mil...If we kept torres and didnt get carroll mabye we would be 4th/3rd place contention right now and carroll might be scoring goals for Newcastle! I dont understand!? Why get carroll when you could get a far better and well known reliable goalscorer?
Any words on this eds?
So Carroll has now replaced Lucas as the person all LFC fans slag off, it is obvious the lad is short on confidence, Kenny is trying to protect him as much as he can, but it is hard when the British media and fans are having a pop at the bloke, and people wonder why he does not do anything on the pitch, everything he does is scrutinised by the masses.
Why can`t LFC fans cut the bloke some slack. he didn`t ask to be bought for 35 Million. Ross
Time for beddy byes.
Ross mate, not all lfc fans are on carroll's case!
23 Jan 2012 20:07:06
Whats with all the in fighting and bickering? 'Sack kenny', 'sell carroll, downing etc' 'so and so used my sign off name'. Get a grip people. WE ARE 90 mins away from a finał at wembley and 4th płace in the league is still possible! Why dont we use all the energy being used to get behind our boys! We need to be the 12th man!
Not to forget the tense situation with suarez and how much other teams fans will give him abuse when he returns!
Come on fellow reds, how about some positivity!
Come on boys! The real fans/supporters are with you! Lets get to wembley and hopefully lift some silverwear!
K.Bennett
23 Jan 2012 20:04:21
I am going to the city game on wednesday, its my first time at anfield, my friend who got the tickets is going to meet us there as he has to work, the tickets have his name and address on them, will i be ok getting in without him
RED DOGG
Yes no problem at all.
Derek
23 Jan 2012 19:35:17
If the attitude of some senior squad players is lacking should some of the reserves be promoted for a few games to freshen the squad up? Young players tend to play with no fear and are hungry for making a breakthrough. Coady, Sterling, Suso etc.
EVO YNWA
What have we got to lose? They could replace a striker that can't score a winger that can't score or create and a midfielder that can't run or tackle? A wise man once said you can't win anything with kids and that wise man was wrong.
Sterling for sure!
23 Jan 2012 19:34:54
Hi Ed's,
A question if I may: Are footballer's obliged to to be members of the PFA? Surely upper echelon Premier League 'star's' have no need for a 'union' (given their financial clout); why would they bother?
{Ed002's Note - No they are not obliged to join - but most do. IT is nothing to do with the "financial" aspects, but the PFA provides representation of player views, representation where charges are brought and most importantly, support for those players who do need help.}
23 Jan 2012 19:34:37
Looks like David Teixeira deal is in the bag lads...according to Wikipedia "On 23 January 2012 he moved to Brookside in Liverpool were he forcibly removed Sinbad Sweeney from his home with the help of Jimmy Corkhill. He now happily lives there with his long lost brother Joao Carlos Teixeira."... me thinks a scallys been onto Wiki leaks..
23 Jan 2012 19:32:46
How are we ever gunna get back in top 4 when teams above us go for hazard,remy,sneijder,ect even newcastle are strengthening and us,some bloke who play in scot prem equivalent to are div 1 in my opinion.
By turning Henderson into the next Sneijder, turning Suzo into the next hazard, turning Andy Carroll into the next Alan Shearer. Any team can win the premiereship, look at Man City now to how they were 5 years ago. You just need someone to buy your club with a spare 400million in their pocket. Think about Barcelona, yes they've bought a few players but most of that team were playing together since they were kids. They were brought through the system, their academy. What do you prefer Liverpool to be - the new Barcelona or the new Man City?
Kenny Dalglish - you know he makes sense
23 Jan 2012 19:22:45
i wish people would get real about signings , kaka ozil affelay (injured) and so on ! our owners have spent around 30 million net in 3 transfer windows so i dont see how you expect big signings/names in jan window when we wont be able to compete financially with any one who wants a bidding war . Lets face it more yanks that talk but dont walk !
kk
You wont be saying that when they anounce what there plans are for the
stadium,
Deano95
Oh yeah, that's right, and how much was the club in debt before the "Yanks" that "Talk but don't walk" paid it all off....£350million wasn't it. Stop acting like a duck and support your club.
Sooty
Have some respect.
23 Jan 2012 19:22:02
Where has the rumour that Carlos Slim owns is come from?
Honestly!
Rob
What!
Ed 2 referred to Carlos Sims as a joke in reply to my query...come on guys get real. We don't have the richest owners but at least they're professional and compared to the lot we had it's a relief we got rid of Hicks and his partner. Can't believe we went through the trauma of H & G. So depressing. Chin up guys...KK may make mistakes...who doesn't? At least he's Liverpool thru' and thru'. YNWA KK.
I think its just something to do with john henry been good mates with carlos slim or tom werner been in charge of some hedge fund that carlos slim is involved with {Ed002's Note - I think it relates to the NY Times having shares in FSG and Slim having shares in the NY Times.}
He is a major shareholder in the New York Times Company, who own 17% of the club.
Martin
23 Jan 2012 19:18:48
With all the she*t that's been posted here someone is bound to be right. Not a rumour just a bit of common sense.
Ben irish.
23 Jan 2012 19:16:09
one year on and life at lfc is more or less the same - we had good spells of form and bad.
we still cant beat the lower teams and we beat the top 4 - no change there then
im not blighting though . i love the King and i hope he's given time by the owners, the support of the fans on match-days and more importantly some guille and some balls from his starting XI.
i was glad to hear Kenny rip into the boys for a change, it'll be interesting to see how they play these next two games. hopefully it's with their heads up and chests out
have we any decent finishers in the ressies that Kenny would throw in like he did with Robbo and Flanno last year?
23 Jan 2012 18:53:49
As much as loss pains me people need to relax. EVERY team has a bad game even in fifa. People need to understand that the players need to learn and people only learn from their mistakes. We are still in with a chance for top 4 and in a good position in two cups. One mistake and the doom mongers are all over the internet posting rubbish and thats what upsets me most.
redl4fe
23 Jan 2012 18:53:18
We are in a huge dilemma. We need a good quality reliable and well known goalscorer. But we won't get them if we don't have champions league qualification. However we can hardly aim at that when we lose to crap like Bolton?! KD wasted tons on Carroll, Henderson, Downing etc...and the other decent players we get just go into the reserves. He said that we dont need any signings and it will be a quiet period as Andy Carroll is on crazy form scoring goals every game. He doesnt even deserve the no. 9 shirt. We need a new torres like llorente or remy. Sort your crap out dalglish otherwise it might be YOU out instead!
Any words eds?
Cheers
LFC4EVA
Wow. Heavy stuff. Go for a walk (alone)
Buying 3 players for around 90m dosen't guarrantee anything.Stick to the players we have they are mostly English and will come good, give them time....Bobbinred
23 Jan 2012 18:48:45
A true red fans journey: It started as 6 year old in the main stand being blown away by the colour and noise of the Kop. Thanks to my dad, both my brother and myself immediately became devoted to the mighty red men of L4. Many experiences over the next forty years; cold nights against Tranmere in the cup, walking out of Stanley Park into the main body of Carlisle fans!, walking out of the Anfield Road end into all the West Ham fans!, singing with the 'barmy Anny Road army' at a wet Burnden Park with my mum thought I was at my mates doing homework, singing YNWA with my son when a young lad and now he is a young man. Telling my son to keep all his LFC shirts to show his kids, watching Hughes, Lawler, Tosh, Keegan, KK, Rushy, Neal, Clem, Grob, Dundee! Bring on City, singing YNWA with my lad wearing my late mums wedding band and asking her for a little favour on the night (her favourite song YNWA by Elvis: top tune). Passion, pride, memories, remembering the 96, celebrating our history and heritage. I will always be a red and will never stop supporting them even if it means being patient for our glory days to return, which I believe are not too far away.
EVO YNWA
Love the post
Thanks!
RedAce.
I might not have been so fortunate, having never been to Liverpool myself and living 6000 miles away...Neil Mellor, 90th minute wondergoal strike against Arsenal to send the Kop into delirium... I was only a kid at the time but it was an instant love story for me. It's moments like those that make you so happy to support this club and it's fans such as yourself that made me the die hard fan I am today... If every supporter had your desire and commitment I have no doubt that we would be world beaters once again. It takes two to tango, in this case every supporter needs to lift their own game. I can't remember the last time the 12th man at Anfield won us a game. NextGenRed
EVO great post
I'm from the same era and probably gone through the same emotions at the match. I also go the match with my teenage son and as you know, there can be no prouder feeling.
Can you please tell me if it's ok for me to
have a whinge and a moan, especially after Saturdays game, without getting accused of not being a good supporter or getting told to go and support another team?
I don't mean call for people to get sacked etc but after devoting a far chunk of my life to supporting LFC and feeling sick to the stomach with Saturdays performance, I just feel I need to air my views and thoughts amongst fellow reds.
Finisher
23 Jan 2012 18:46:33
***NEWS FLASH***
Liverpool FC will sign someone for the 1st team in january with a 50% chance of the news flash being correct
:)
23 Jan 2012 19:06:19
Give the kids a chance - cant be any worse!!
Big Dog Surbiton
And when it is.. will u be supporting them still or calling for them to be shipped out and replaced by the U-16s?
We got a squad of players that got it wrong on Saturday.. they wont make that mistake again!
Support the team.. not the headlines!
ItsNotRocketScience
23 Jan 2012 19:01:43
Carroll coming over and Torres going both resulted in ultimate flops. Number 9 my ass Andy...
If both players still played for the same club we could be in champions league contention by now...
Come on DALGLISH!11!1!
Yeah that's right because Torres has been banging them in for Chelsea hasn't he.
Sooty
If both players still played for the same club we would have 4 less goals and probably be in 8th.
cozinoz
23 Jan 2012 18:36:57
i know how much you hate twitter, i do aswell. even though i do find some people on here who have been more or less reliable. you seem to be the best site for it just thought id share what i heard.
4 million dollar bid has gone to 6 for D texeira, heard this numerous times over the past hour
also aparently LFC are to expect a busy transfer window over the last 8 days here.
i am not sure how much of this is true. maybe both maybe none but the texeiras interest seems to be high on both David and joao and i personally think we will see them. {Ed002's Note - I was wondering with all of the rumours if it would be possible to have a full team of Lucas' but I struggled to think of a goal keepr. Perhaps Lucas Leiva could go in goal until his leg heals and he can run around again?}
23 Jan 2012 18:16:46
Reckon Liverpool will buy David villa in January and sell Carroll
Well you've got 1 of those right
With a broken Leg??
He has a broken leg u clown
So that's why he hasn't been playing well for us.
Finisher
Still better than carol even with broken leg
23 Jan 2012 18:14:10
I'd like to say some things to bernard the man utd follower.
1. Kenny is king for the imperious player he was and also the great job he did in his 1st stint as manager. Why don't u try asking scholes or giggs to step up as player-managers tmr and see how they do?
2. Kenny has nothing on fergie? Fergie won NOTHING in his 1st SEVEN YEARS at manu. Kenny won 2 league titles in his 1st 3, not including other cups.
And then there was the time the king led a small little club by the name of blackburn to a league title, pipping the great sir fergie along the way.
And now in his 1st full season back, we may well end the season w a cup or 2. Didn't take 7 years.
4. On 'fans of other teams would've started booing...'- u know what? Ur statement says it all. Because Liverpool fans ARE NOT like other fans.
We are the best fans in the world.
Any other team would've had fans leave in droves if they were losing 3nil by halftime in a cup final.
U won't see manu fans singing glory glory at halftime the way we sang you'l nvr walk alone when we were 3 down vs milan in '05.
That's what makes LFC and LFC fans different, special and great
It's not just about winning.
Glory-hunters will never underrtand this.
So bernard, u can say what u want, but you'll nvr understand why we are the way we are.
Cause we are juz better than the rest.
YNWA
Singapore Red
Post of the day
mj
Brilliant post couldnt agree more.
Gezza1982
I agree but you have brushed over some rather large points there.
He inherited one of the best teams in history when he became Liverpool manager and while he did out think everyone game by game there is no denying it was a supremely talented team which even woy wouldve wone the league with.
Secondly it was more like united lost the title rather than blackburn won it, and he did spend quite a bit of money at blackburn as well.
He is a great manager and I'm sure will do us great but lets not ignore some of the other factors involved in his and Liverpools success its not all his genius...just most of it lol.
Rewflo
Great post
23 Jan 2012 17:55:00
Ant truth in Defoe coming to LFC
Thanks
Mkdlfc {Ed002's Note - Yes, February 6.}
How long did it take ye to think about that one ed.
Love the answer
23 Jan 2012 17:49:19
Hows everyone today then ? Calmed down at all or are we all still fuming?
@kop_bailey
Still fuming!
Hope the underperformers were well and truly put to shame in training today, hopefully this will leave the door open to some of our youth.
Big Bill
I hope they got put in the naughty corner to have a think about what they did/didn't do on saturday evening
Wouldn't really call it fuming anyway, was hurt to see that from the players, but not as hurt as seeing some fans reactions to it...
Red7.
23 Jan 2012 17:43:49
hi eds great site any more news on barry ferguson to liverpool would be extra quality in midfield
Oh dear
23 Jan 2012 17:41:50
As a first time poster here, I would love to say a big thanks to the Editors of this website who painstakingly have to go through our numerous posts in order to maintain a standard on this forum and for how they have been doing so efficiently. They respond to questions and provide information to us fans about issues that we really hold very dear and I think that is wonderful. They also save us from the influence of trolls who might occasionally want pop up and upset our grooves with a bit of banter. You only need to realise how often you visit this site to get refreshing and incisive updates on the hour to confirm what I'm saying.
Personally, there are certain areas I would have loved to applaud my beloved Liverpool and other areas where I would not agree with certain decisions and the way and manner they handled certain issues. But, again, who is perfect? I think we all learn from our mistakes and I sincerely believe the club is learning and taking notes. I love how we have maintained very healthy debates as well without necessarily losing our heads.
Please let us all exercise a little patience with what is happening at Liverpool at this moment as I believe they would all be sorted soon. Torres, for instance, as good as he was didn't stay with us for ever even though he had plenty of years left in his contract at the time he left. The same goes for Andy Carroll who as bad as he might seem to be playing at the moment, will not be here forever as they will all come and go. But we need time to sort these things out and I urge you all to be a little patient and watch things as they fall into their rightful places.
If I may go back to a statement the owners made shortly after this season kick started, they said they didn't want to appoint Dalglish long term, but that the fans wanted it and that Dalglish was also an intelligent person and that is why he got the job. Again, they said that people feared that they may not spend money and in order to prove the doubters wrong, they went all out and splashed the money on the players we wanted at the time, in order to douse every tension. You only need to look back and see how good it felt on last January transfer deadline day when we were making headlines and breaking every known record in English football to see what I'm saying. It is true we all have our different opinions on how the players we signed have performed so far. But, for the love of God and Club, let us have a large heart like the owners and managers for now and be a bit more accommodating to our playing and managing staff. I'm sure they are listening to us and seeing things for themselves
On the last note, it is my humble belief that we will sign one or two quality players this January as the Editors have reassured us on countless number of times. So, please keep the faith and save your breadth for the last minute deals.
God bless LFC.
23 Jan 2012 17:36:59
People on here need to relax with there transfer window wish lists, Henry is a business man and do you really think hes gonna splash out mega money for sow, hazard, di maria, higuain etc after kenny wasted 35m on carroll, 8m on adam, 18m on henderson, 20m on downing and 6m on coates, its just not going to happen, i heard the board have flew in for talks today, wonder what thats about? Could kenny be asked to step down? If he loved the club he should do the right thing and leave
Coates, and Carroll are future prospects so its hardly wasted money. I know you all expect Carroll to be the finished article now he is only 22, even Messi and ronaldo werent finished article at that age.
Rewflo
Please dont mention carroll in the same sentence as messi and ronaldo
Rewflo, how is Carroll not a finished article. It is Fooking stupid to spend 35m on a player (british transfer record), for just potential. You could buy Honda and Sow (or any 2 good players) for that money and pay wages with left over. He is a bad buy, end of, wasted money and wages, poor business as he will have no sell on factor.........so u tell me where the potential is in buying an average player for 35m. Downing is a good player but 20m lol, more bad business, where is the sell on factor (scum got young for 16m and he is a much better player). Poor business by LFC and someone will get skull fooked for it
I don't know how you can say 6 million was 'wasted' on a 20 year-old, best young player at the Copa America player who looks to be a future monster.
Jolly Red
23 Jan 2012 17:16:25
ed you mentioned that glen johnson is on high wages do you know of anyone else that is on similar amount of wages or more then hom and please can you tell me about the clause he has on his contract aswell as joe coles clause and do any other players with any clauses in their contract?
Please answer - also some has copied my name i used along time back and ainy posted since then- 5uarez times- {Ed002's Note - You can find opinion on his contract via the search function. I do not know the detail but did speculate what it could be a couple of weeks back. I don't know what you have in mid over Joe Cole's contract in particular. Wages is not something I want to see discussed in any detail.}
What was your posting nickname then ?
Is there a clause in hisn contract similar to glen johnson that he has to play when hes fit
23 Jan 2012 17:21:15
I am a lfc fan from INDIA. when will suarez ban finish?
ANd lucas returned to liverpool is this means he is fit?
Suarez still has 3 games left on his ban and lucas is out for the season.
As far as i know saurez is due back in time for the man u game. lucas injury is still months away {Ed002's Note - Spurs game and don't expect to see Lucas playing again this season.}
Suarez ban finishes after Wolves, he'll play against Spurs (hopefully).
Lucas is back at Liverpool to continue his rehabilation from his injury. He still won't be available until hes healed. Seeing as hes a fighter, I expect him to be back in 2 or 3 months. Once again, hopefully.
RenegadeRed
23 Jan 2012 17:15:01
I cannot believe that people are shouting names like, hazard, benzema, higuin, llorente? Do you think FSG will throw more money at it after the loses we stand to make..free transfers possibly or a few million on jelavic is were we will be operating this window..
Being realistic when KK took temporary charge last year i was made up, but when everyone was calling for him to have the job full time I had my reservations.(mainly because of his time out of the game and disasters at celtic and newcastle) But FSG listened to fan power and instated KK to take us forward into the champions league and backed him with cash.
This hasn't really happened yet, and to be honest doesnt look like a transformation is on the horizon. I am pretty sure they will not be letting go of the bank book just yet and who can blame them?
Dave
23 Jan 2012 17:14:24
My Lord, my post at 3am this morning (UK time) garnered 20 responses with 2 people disagreeing that we are negative and embarrassing as LFC fans as a whole. Then soon after, my fellow old school fan , Bob the Red pens another piece worthy of a Pulitzer and the usual responses ensue. 80% pro and 20% negative. So folks, I am going to take my time to address a few issues that are gnawing at me here. Â I am asking that if you do read this the whole way through that you ask yourself if you have read your LFC history books, watched the DVD's, and video's and know about what it is that this great club was founded upon and what it means and stands for. If you're a newer or younger fan, just start in 1959 and you will not go far wrong. Shanks , Paisley and Fagan back then built the foundation to the modern era 50+ years ago that put Liverpool on the world sporting map. Not to forget some greats of years gone before that such as Billy Liddell, Matt Busby and Jack Balmer, but for me '59 is when our great club became the club it's become today. Knowing our history allows us to have a sense of balance in judgment when it comes to being a sports fan in 2012. We are bombarded with media 24/7. TV and internet pound us with the latest stats or hot story. Even the Fishwraps and hacks that write for them have become sensationalists, satirical and mordant at best. They sell their souls at any cost. But to be able to sell, someone has to buy. When we as fans turn on our own players and even the manager, we are in essence buying that line of gutter trolling that keeps this type of media relevant. The Kenny Out brigade either have no sense of history or wore a replica kit with a Liver bird on it, not knowing what it means.
The owners are over because there are 9 days left in the transfer window and we have 2 big cup games coming up at Anfield. We may be trying to strengthen the team and need a few pounds and board approval to do it. One thing I do know is that the owners wanted a top 4 this year and as of right now we are 6 points off with 16 games to go. We have Arsenal, Newcastle, Chelsea competing with us for that spot and we play 2 of them at home, 1 away during the run in. I think we control our own destiny. People throwing out that we have spent 110M on this and wasted money on that need to realise that we have spent approx. 40M on bringing 9 first team squad players in and shifting 10 players out. We are younger, deeper and have better players than we had a year ago. So Irish Rover I concur with your thoughts that we are better off than a year ago.
Exiled Scouser, you mentioned the Alonso era. When was that? Was that during Stevies prime, when Didi was here and Masch gave a sh*t. I love Xabi as much as the next guy but he had 2 great years in five and had 3 years where he performed at not quite his great standards. It's not as if we didn't sell him for 30M. Charlie came in and a lot said he's a poor man's  Xabi.  I think he is too but for 6M he's good value. He looks like he's trying too hard and BTW our skipper did him no favours last sat. Charlie will work well when we have Spearing back soon and Lucas next year. We currently are light at DM. Charlie reminds me of back in the 80's when we had players like Wark and Molby.
Now to all that want Jose Maureen. Negative tactics, vile personality, brilliant in his own mind and if he came here he would want a quarter billion to buy his success. He can go to Old Toilet and replace his friend cos after  yesterday's  goal celebrations I wonder if he's long for it. Slur Alki's old goal celebrations 4/10, his 2012 efforts 1/10.   'Nuff said.
Ed001 and other Eds, I have a question. Can we not have a sign up for the site where your user handle and club gets attached to each post. That way we can see the viewpoints from the poster it was written by. If Blue Moon is a City fan he can post here but we know it's him by his clubs crest and can respond accordingly. We'll also know if we are being infiltrated by WUM's or just negative home posters. If someone doesn't want to have a handle and stay anonymous, they get their posts on the general footy rumours site but not the club sites. I'm all for banter but I think there are too many "put a stone in a snowball" types out there and they're running some great posters away with the negative carp and personal attacks. I think they'll all sign up to a handle so they can post on multiple sites.
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The Thruff
I may only be 20 but i've seen a lot of footage of the past etc and i think this post is one of the best posts i've seen on this site.
i totally agree with all you've said.
Lets look forward to these 2 cup games.
Dale B
Great post
You do realise that people are gonna hit disagree just to piss you off, people like you on their high horse who think they know better than everyone else really do grit other peoples s**t,so as long as you choose to talk down to people please do expect a few more disagrees along the way :D
Disagree all you want mate. It doesn't piss me off at all. I just know I won't go from saying a player or club goes from great to carp in a 2 game period. I have the ability to look at the big picture. Remember where we were 14-15 months ago, where we are now and where we will be in 12 months time. It's my point of view. The only difference is is that I don't click agree on my own posts.
The Thruff
23 Jan 2012 17:13:54
hey i just read on kenny dalglish's page that hazard would love to come to arsenal or liverpool...
cheers
23 Jan 2012 17:13:42
Teixeira? If anything, Liverpool should be looking to sign someone like Dušan Tadić who's provided 30 assists in 60 games as well as 10 goals on top of everything since arriving at Groningen at the start. The only players who provided more assists in Europe than him last season were a certain Messi and Özil.
Btw, a guy like Teixeira won't improve Liverpool, he's barely making a difference in Eredivisie and would struggle big time if Tadić wasn't around because the latter have assisted 50% of his goals during the first part of the season, plus he's not prolific, the goals won't start flying with him in the starting line-up.
23 Jan 2012 17:34:25
Are my eyes deceiving me or are the armchair critics really discussing Benitez as a possible replacement for KK... Pretty sure that these are the same people who slated him for the way he handled Torres or the way he set out to play boring defensive football...Or are these the same so called experts who probably at the begining of the season lauded KK for bringing in some british talent to replace the mediocre foreign players that were crippling our structure. Unfortunately opinions are like ar*eholes and yes everyone has got one but maybe just maybe some of those so called fans who are just never happy should stop Mooning, yes mooning thats not a typing error, in public and get behind the team... I don't think that there is a bigger Liverpool fan around than KK and if any of you morons think you can do better just send your CV to Boston and see how that works out for you. C'mon Kenny this is a massive week for the boys and I really hope that all the negative wa*kers get some humble pie... YNWA Tobiwan P.S. Just got my ticket for the scum bashing at the weekend cant wait COME ON THE BOYS...
23 Jan 2012 17:27:45
Ok guy's i know the loss to Bolton was a knife in our hearts and there is obvious doubt on the ability of certain players which further add to the mental torture we are all suffering but Surely we have to take it on the chin and support Kenny, the players and LFC, After all it is a work in progress and nothing really goes to plan straight away...Kenny was livid with the players after the Bolton game and issued a fair warning to them that they have to commit to the game at hand and put in 100% effort...C'Mon Guys just give it till the end of the season and if we dont have a New piece of silverware or a Great New player or even a top 4 position We can vent our frustrations then
MJ...Y.N.W.A...100% FAITH
23 Jan 2012 16:51:21
hi ED`s, macca et all.
just having a little ponder at work, catchin up on rumours n posts n a keen eye for any ED002 funny bits ( you gotta create a seperate page for these putdowns! ).
and im thinking this january will be a lesson learned form last year in terms of shock spending.
there will be no last minute deals being held over a barrel, and most i can see is 1 or 2 arrivals with no-one leaving.
CL is now a probable no for next year now,as we just cannot pick up any consistency at home.
i think focus will be on the cup competitions and europa league football for next season.
i think the owners have accepted that squad building cannot be done in 1 season in EPL, especially when most of our buys have been restricted to english and expensive.
i feel the stadium issue is the top of FSG list to "sort" this year, which means a huge chunk of investment and deal striking for construction, sponsers, council etc etc, as im sure people on ere arent so narrow minded to think, "ah space, build here!"
FSG have pedigree in obtaining sports clubs, investing and strengthning them from inside out, LFC to grow must have a solid inside to start and grow strongly. FSG have only been in just over a year now, they still will be assesing things and finding their feet.whats one of the first things they do to strengthen? bring in KK, who needed no persuading, and with the man comes the passion and the fans who again want to support the club how they should, from the terraces. if you look back, you will find attendances were dropping under woy !
expect a summer pretty much like the last, but with maybe a few exceptions to this summer`s buying dropping to 2nd choice.
if we were all to honestly ask ourself " are we good enough to win the league with the players we have?" i know most genuinely would say no, i think KK knows this and is on for a work in progress mission. re-install passion, pride, fill the stands. bring back how we made pass and move the liverpool way of playing.
have faith kopites, patience is a very sought after trait in football, FSG have this i feel and are " looking at the bigger picture in whole"
we hear they over for the citeh game, lets make them witness how we can rock the stands again.
ED`s , Macca and all genuine posters on here, keep up the good work.
YNWA.
Piddy.
WOW...You think someone like J Henry thought this was a one year project. I rather fancy that the guy didn't get to where he is now by living in cloud cuckoo land... I would have thought that they had at least a five to ten year plan on the table...If it happens sooner then what a bonus. Hopefully by then all the fakers will have deserted to Man sh*tty for their quick fix footie
I dont think waiting for 20 years is quick fix footie.
23 Jan 2012 16:42:46
Course it's true he loves a team with history and he was there in the stands in 84 when liverpool won the European cup,ha he doesn't want to go to a team who wins things he's happy with just history,wonder would he consider a team with history and success in the present
Bernard
Awww just like Rooney loves United...My Apse
MJ
23 Jan 2012 16:46:34
Eden Hazard:
'With all respect to Chelsea, I'd rather join a club with history such as Liverpool or Arsenal'
CLASS
Fake quote it was made up from a Arsenal fan from Marseille on Twitter.
Is this true? {Ed002's Note - Of course not.}
'With all respect to Chelsea, I'd rather join a club with history such as Liverpool or Arsenal but then again, would much prefer to sign for a team with history that also wins things...... Manchester United.
JWalk
Fake twitter account, Why would hazard join liverpool or arsenal? He has the option of barca, madrid, both milans, united, city, chelsea and they can all offer him champions league, liverpool wont even get europa if im been honest
23 Jan 2012 16:42:57
Is juventus a more appealing club then Liverpool? I ask coz apparently they are about to complete a move for Huston from Porto 9mil is a steal and they don't have champions league, what the hells going on!
Juve currently top the italian league and are pretty much nailed on to be in the champions league next year...oh and the weather tends to be a bit better in turin than it is on merseyside Rednose {Ed002's Note - I assume this is Guarin being referred to.}
Yes, Juventus can offer european football
I dont see what all the huff is about for Guarin, he has had one half a good season at porto. I think he will be a flop at Juve.
Rewflo
You mean Turin that hosted the winter olypmics?
23 Jan 2012 16:28:23
quote from Eden Hazard: "With all respect to Chelsea, I'd rather join a club with history such as Liverpool or Arsenal." ......any eds know if this quote is real....made my day anyways lol {Ed002's Note - No, it is not real.}
Not real, but true!
The Irish Rover
You sure you don't say that because you a chelsea fan lol.
He's actually pretty likely to go to Chelsea, is he not ed002 ?
The Real KB {Ed002's Note - I am not so sure "likely" is the best term.}
23 Jan 2012 16:18:47
i have to laugh at some fans saying sell carroll adams and downing 1st of all not many would want them or else we take a big lose on them.then some fans on about hazard benzemia lorente higiuan none of which will come here cl is what they want and we are not going to get it we have taken massive gambles on players for big money so why not take a small gamble on jordan rhodes what you think ed as i cant see anybody else coming in and i agree honda would b a great signing
CL is not the be all and end all of a footballing decision...Suarez came to us without CL and he is/has been one of our best players
MJ
23 Jan 2012 16:05:02
Hi eds who do you think is the player 2 watch in the academy/reserves? who is closest 2 the first team?
Many thanks! {Ed002's Note - I think other posters are much better placed to answer this than I am.}
Conner coady.
skurks
Coady is probably closest, consistency of performance, physical build and position he plays. For me Suso looks as though he would flourish with some minutes with our first team. Wisdom for me is ready for a run of games albeit on loan as we have cover at centre-half.
Richards
I'd certainly have Morgan on the bench at least.
The Irish Rover
Coady looks the most ready but in my opinion they are all a year away at least. Suso needs to be physically ready as it will be a very tough transition for him.
Rewflo
Morgan not scored in 8 games and confidence seems wery low at moment,going to be a good striker but needs more time.Putting him in to soon would damage his long term development.
Derek
I thought that too Rewflo but I perhaps it might benefit Suso actually playing 10-15 minutes with the first team if we are ever in a position to have that type of luxury to bring him on. I'm reminded of Wilshire, Wenger thought it would be another season before he was ready until he realised he was ready.... just a thought... Largely I think another season would benefit them all too.
Richards
23 Jan 2012 16:05:07
Ya didn't post my first post ed?
Bernard {Ed002's Note - I have no idea Bernard. I certainly have posted one but may another Ed cut one. We'll never know.}
It's because you keep chatting s**t mate
MJ
23 Jan 2012 16:00:25
Well guys 23 days into the window and not even a nailed on target never mind a signing. Our owners are showing us that maybe sales need to happen first or maybe that £300m sponshorship needs to be concluded as they dont want to fund LFC out of their own pockets.
I thought warrior was for £150 Million?
MJ
23 Jan 2012 16:00:17
De Gea - Reina statistically has made more goalkeeping errors than DDG this season. He is 20 and has BAGS of potential - he will become Spanish no #1 at some point - a feat Reina will never get.
Phil Jones - versatile - can play CB, CM, RB - only 19 and already has England caps. MUCH BETTER than COATES - who may i add has barely managed to break into a shocking, mediocre liverpool back line.
Ashley Young - had a flying start to his career with MUFC and has since been injured. Can cross on his weaker left foot and come inside on his right. Decent FK taker also. Compared with your very own Stewart Downing - who can barely cross on his strongest left foot. and even when coming in off the right cannot pick out a pass or shot to save his life.
Now you TELL me - who signed the better players in the summer?! Oh i forgot to mention both Jones and Young were Liverpool targets - they chose the best shade of Red to wear! MUFC!
MUFC_Devil
Obviously it's a quite window in Manchester if you have to come on here then just wait till saturday lad then we will see who is mediocre!
Greg
YNWA
1-6 at old trafford...
wakakakakakaka
Wow! Thanks for that. Very insightful I will sleep well tonight.
Recoill1975
Both Liverpool and United have conceded 21 goals. Joint 2nd best defensive record in the premier league. So Uniteds defence is equally as 'mediocre' as ours. And even most United fans would admit Reina is superior to De Gea. Go do your homework, pop your spots or try finding some pubes
KingHeskey
That shockingly mediocre back line has the best record in the Prem.
De Gea - Would never be #1 if he was competing with casillas.
Phil Jones - Mediocre backline? Then what do you call Manutd's? Yes he is much better than Coates at scoring own goals.
Ashley Young - Even Heskey used to have flying start. Young = Another injury prone player.
Now you TELL me - Who signed the better players in the summer?! Jones and Young were as deluded as the Manu players are.
'MUFC_Devil'
I could explain why each of your points are baseless, but that would be like explaining maths to a monkey.
Jatt YNWA
Jones - yes. Although I'm very happy with Coates.
De Gea - needs an eye op. Say no more !
Young - when the going gets tough, Ashley goes missing.
The Real KB
Isn't our backline one of the best in the league? If not best?
Actually can't be bothered finishing this post it's obviously a kid.
MIKEY
Man utd thought they could have had Reina for £10M the season before last. () Now I laugh everytime I see DeGea knowing they paid £20M for a 2nd choice goalkeeper.
Young will see the physio more than he sees the ball this season and Jones is the most overrated player of the year. Even rednose believes what he reads in the press and decides he's good enough to play in midfield. What a joke! Everytime he goes forward he leaves space behind. Rafael showed Jones up for the average player he is, when he came on yesterday.
This is just comical to say the least.
comparing De Gea to Reina is unbelievable haha! Is that why Fergie can't decide between De Gea and Lindegaard? Reina is probably the best keeper in England. Yeah he's made a few mistakes this season but is skill and distribution is second to none.
Coates was signed more for the future if you actually did your homework. And if i had to pick between Agger and Jones, i'd know who i'd pick.
I do admit Young will be a good signing for United but i believe Downing will come good too!
If United's team was so amazing, then why do they have to rely on Giggs and the return of Scholes?
Dale B
The stupidity in the post lies in the david de gea comments, surely a man utd fan would know that he's struggling to even hold down a place infront of lindegaard!! same amount of mistakes maybe, but hasn't played in the same amount of games!! well thought out post you doughnut.
seriously, a man utd sub will be spain's number 1. yeah, thanks for that great input!
And who signed enrique henderson and bellamy
Like lucas give coates time and he will b brilliant.
ACHILLES.
De gea is not that well rated in spain he is very far from being no1 for them, i live in spain been there 10 years (just back here for a holiday) u did know he let the most amount of long range shots in last season, maybe thats why he needs an eye op
23 Jan 2012 15:59:17
Just a thought...
Do you think we over acieved whilst under Rafa? What i mean by that is we had constant Chapmions League football, got into 2 finals and won a European Cup, won a F.A Cup, a Super Cup then came 2nd in the EPL. Honestly, i think we did and we were critisising Rafa when he was here because he never won us the league. I think Rafa took us far past our potential, and now its become aparent that maybe we got too comfertable and took our place in football for granted.
With whats happened over the last 2 years to LFC,
This is the wake up call we have needed over the years, a kick up the arse, not just for the club but for us as fans too for becomign complacent. I guess now we are looking back and saying "where we were, wasnt such a bad place after all".
We win a cup in our first sesason.. Possibly get a top four finish.. Not unrealistic by any means. Disapointment on the weekend is only human for a football fan and even Dalglish's reaction was clear, honest frustrationm, but it only takes looking at other teams around us results this year and seeing anybody can beat anybody.
Forget all these "Kenny needs to go, Rafa back". Kenny is doing exactly what Rafa did. Everything he can!! In a more competative climate of football too.
So can everybody start getting behind the team or what?
Adzii
Rafa also took us to the position of No.1 ranked team in europe. That's isn't over achieving. It's about getting consistent results over a period of time.
He was an awesome tactician and had to make do with a lot of signings rather than his 1st choice targets being signed.
Of those that were his 1st-choice, you could see their quality (Alonso, Torres, Reina, Mascherano, Arbeloa).
Add in some of the other players he wanted and either Rick Parry said no or H&G didn't provide the money and we would now be challenging for the premier league and the latter stages of the champions league.
Don't forget he wanted Aguero, Mata, Silva, Vidic, Alves, Villa.
He signed Alonso, Torres, Reina, Mascherano, Arbeloa, Agger, Johnson, Lucas.
We already had Gerrard, Carragher, Hamann, Hyypia, Finnan.
You can see an absolutely awesome world class starting 11 there plus some world class subs.
Completely agree....Rafa deserves respect and so does Kenny. These people who want Kenny to go are the biggest embarrassments to the club. Judge his work at the end of the season...
Now u want Rafa back..if he fails then u will want Keny back ..then you may want someone else. Please give the manager time to implement his plans ie, a couple of seasons.
I just hope for our sake that the owners are not as fickle..
pankaz
I think people are being a little blinkered in respect of Rafa; he also got his tactics wrong on many occasions, and also bought some very poor players as well. Alonso would still be at LFC if it was not for Rafa. Ross
I think we did a bit yeah. We had a great team still don't get me wrong but I think rafa got the best out of most of our players.
When he started concentrating on club politics and lost the dressing room it exposed the fact some of our players were duds and how good rafa was in the beginning.
Let's not forget it's his fault we slipped as far as we did but let's not forget all he achieved here either.
MIKEY
At last a poster on the same wavelength as I am. Benitez was absolutely world class and is one of the best tacticians in the modern game. If you ask any manager who they would rather not be pitted against they would say Benitez.
No manager will match what Benitez achieved at this club for a long time mark my words. We are all gonna be on this site for at least 2 more years complaining and whining and moaning about our team unless we bring Benitez back. You will all rue the day he takes over another premiership team with any spending power.
I just cannot believe such a phenomenal manager is ridiculed so much, he is a living legend. How many managers have wrestled the title off real madrid and barca? How many managers have taken their teams to 2 champions league finals in 3 years? How many managers have won 4 european cups in the first 6 years of their top flight professional management career? (uefa, champs league, super cup with lfc and uefa with valencia).
If Benitez had been given 100million to spend at this club can you imagine the players we'd have at our disposal?
I'll be honest...im worried that Benitez will go to chelsea when avb leaves or arsenal if wenger goes or tottenham if redknapp takes the england job. This is my worst nightmare and I can see it happening, thats why he is not taking any jobs because he can see how things are unfolding at these teams.
When it comes to management Benitez is lightyears more advanced than Kenny on every level.
Leo
Alonso would still be at the club if it wasn't for H&G not Rafa.
Alonso had been poor for about 12-18 months.
H&G gave no money for transfers and Barry and Gerrard were working really well for England together.
Juventus were sniffing round Alonso and I think Arsenal were interested too.
To try and solve replacing a player that wasn't performing (Alonso), and getting someone in who worked well with Gerrard (Barry) whilst having to sell to buy (due to H&G).
He touted Alonso round, but for whatever reason the move fell through and Alonso went on to have his best season.
The relationship was already damaged and Alonso was adamant on leaving.
If H&G had given money for Barry without the need for selling then I truly think Alonso would have stayed.
Well said Leo.
I am with you on this one 100%
RedAllOverButNotSore
If rafa is so bloody great then why did he fail with europe's strongest team and get sacked?(inter milan)
if rafa's so good why is he unemployed still?
if rafa was so good why did his tenure finish in a similar fashion to houllier's?
some people need to wake up and smell the bloody coffee! s.p
No Alonso left because of Rafa , Rafa made it clear he wanted to replace Alonso with Barry then Alonso had that amazing season and well the rest is history.
Tom.
Alonso was the only saleable asset as H&G would not stump up the money.
Alonso had not played well the previous 12-18 months so it would have been no great loss at that time.
Barry and Gerrard were doind well together for England so you can see the logic.
It IS all down to H&G - FACT!!!
Rafa is waiting for the right job to come along. No harm in that.
His tenure at LFC ended in a bad way and it was all down to H&G.
Fortunately, it was he that managed to get Rick Parry out of the club and opened the fans eyes as to what was going on under H&G.
He ended up having to get involved in too many areas other than coaching/managing the 1st team and that didn't help towards the end.
He was only at Inter for 6 months and inherited an old squad that needed some additions without any money from the owner. Not much can be done there and he wasn't given any time to have a decent go at it. I don't blame him for anything there.
I'm not saying I want KK to be sacked and Rafa re-instated.
I think KK was the right choice to unite the whole club and the fans, whereas before there were major problems.
He has come in, stabilised everything, got everyone pulling in the same direction. Got the team playing better than under Hodgson.
He has improved the squad, with only a nett spend of about £35m-£40m.
However, he has spent £35m on one player and he is not making the best use of that player.
You can't say fitness as he has been here for a year. You can't say style of play as we could all see what he could do at Newcastle.
So either the wrong supporting players have been bought or he was not the right striker to have bought.
I think if we don't finish in the top 4 then the owners will have a decision to make and hopefully they will not be afraid to move KK back upstairs if that is what is needed.
23 Jan 2012 15:53:58
As a man utd fan have to agree the blame is with king kenny and why he is called king kenny I'll never no if he's king kenny we may find a greater name for fervid,because kenny has nothing on fergie and b4 people start thinking its a dig at your club it's not,what's so different between Hodgson and kenny??if you finishes 7or8 will ya still want kenny there?
Bernard
I think he is known as Kind Kenny because of they way he played as a player as well and yes you are right when you say that he has nothing on Fergie because I don't even think that Fergie could play or ever played like King Kenny on the field....
As a United fan Bernard, i'd be very surprised if anyone gave a toss, what you think of Kenny.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
But that's the past like ya no,as I said not slagging but he is doin a sh*t job now I no he was a great manager but football has changed a lot since I think he was away from it too long I think a lot of pool fans live in the past yas need to look to the future and Carroll,Adam,downing etc aren't the answer either will jelavic or Defoe
Bernard
Bernard
Hey listen I don't care I just can't see why he's still the man all of yas want if any other manager wasted money like he did ya could be guaranteed he would get booed at every match get your heads out of king kennys hole!
Bernard
Bernard if there is one man who can sort out LFC's problems its Kenny but at least he doesnt need to bribe keepers to get his way
MJ
23 Jan 2012 15:36:42
As I Have said previously I don't post much on this page because views are so polarised. However, I am making an exception:
If someone criticises any player the he is quickly labelled a person (at least) and called a non-supporter and go an watch City etc etc. And if that criticism is levelled at a player BORN in Liverpool or a manager adopted by the club the they get a double-dose of approbrium.
Then if another supporter says In Kenny we Trust,Carra is essential to hold the defence together,Gerrard is God, give the new boys time to gel,we are a work in progress then he is slated for having blind-faith happy to be a mid-table team
Let's assume that the vast majority of posters on here are Liverpool supporters (I know there will always be a few interlopers but they are easy to spot) then surely we can all accept that the poster has the best interests of the club at heart and that perhaps they just have a different opinion to ours.
Assuming that most posters are also adults and relatively well-educated why all the childish name calling, the metaphorical frothing at the mouth as soon as a message appears which you don't agree with? Why not just reply and say 'I don't agree and here are my reasons'. In short why not come out of the playground
Puzzled
Well said.
A lot on here are spotty teenagers i'd guess though.
You can see right through most of them by the drivel they write.
Ah Puzzled if I knew you were getting bullied on your own site I would never have been giving you grief on the United site mate !
No wonder you always post on the United page with friends like that !
Devil Dust.
Hi Devil - no not getting bullied (not yet anyway) If you re-read the post you will see that I was making a general point about attitudes to those of differing opinions.In other words helping those being bullied - I will be over there soon to give you a hand with those semi-literate folk on your site
Puzzled
Puzzled
Your always welcome on the UTD site if these bad people don't mend there ways, nasty people.
Keep your chins up Puzzled. :-)
HERBIE(MUFC) {Ed002's Note - Don't go - it's a trap!}
ED02 - I find it a strain on the United banter site.Having to keep everything down to two syllables maximum can be draining
Puzzled
Or maybe thats old age catching you up Puzzled, apparantly ( more than 2 syllables,clever me :-) ) we slow down as we get older.... HERBIE(MUFC)
Tell that to Scholesy Herbie
The Real KB
23 Jan 2012 15:28:01
Rangers striker Nikica Jelavic is set to snub the interest of several other English clubs to seal a transfer to Liverpool, a club that the player's father has described as 'great'.
Jelavic has been the subject of interest from the Reds' fellow Premier League side Queens Park Rangers as well as Championship outfit West Ham United.
The Hammers even submitted a £6 million offer to the Scottish champions last week but it has now emerged that the 26-year old Jelavic would much rather play at the highest level at Anfield.
"We know about the interest of West Ham and QPR. But Nikica has five or six clubs that are interested, including that of the great Liverpool," Phillip Jelavic told reporters.
He added: "As for West Ham and QPR, Nikica is more ambitious than that. It's most likely that he'll sign for Liverpool. But there are a few days until the end of the window, so we'll see."
With 16 goals to his credit already this season, Jelavic would offer the Reds some much needed relief after their latest disappointment – a 3-1 defeat at Bolton – this weekend.
Manager Kenny Dalglish made it clear that anyone who falls short of giving their all to the club's cause will be excluded from the team's future plans and the arrival of a top prospect like Jelavic would certainly expedite that movement.
Besides, his high wage demands would make him a much better fit for an ambitious Premier League outfit than one that plays in the Championship.
Hammers boss Sam Allardyce acknowledged this himself as he braced for Jelavic to move elsewhere.
"Jelavic is one of many others because we have been made aware by other sources that he might be available. We have made bids to bring people in – but have not managed it yet," Big Sam asserted.
All said and done, Liverpool's top priority at the moment is to successfully defend their 1-0 first-leg lead over Manchester City in the Carling Cup final in the decisive fixture on Wednesday evening, leaving Jelavic's transfer to wait for another few days.
23 Jan 2012 15:21:56
Just a quick post on Andy Carroll.
I like many other Liverpool fans have been, and still am quite happy to give the lad time to settle and a fair chance as he is only young.
But how long do you think KK and the owners are going to give him? 35m is a big price tag and we'd do well to get 20m at the moment. Another year like this one for the lad would be a disaster for him and the club.
Kenny has stuck by him and I don't think loaning him out would be an admission of defeat for kk..... Surely Liverpool can't shoulder his lack of form for the remainder of the season
I agree with you but still think that KK should play Carroll in every game while Suarez is servicing his ban. I did notice that he was on the subs bench the game before Bolton. Also KK should try to play the same 11 players together for a few games so they can get use to one anothers games. KK is being a little bit like Rafa in the olden days when he would "tinker" with the team don't do it KK stick with the same team for a few games.
Carroll is 23, that's not exactly young for a footballer.
23 Jan 2012 15:21:07
How can people say we are putting too much blame on Kenny for the present situation. He is to blame. He did buy these average players for ridiculous prices and he does pick the team (with no recognised striker against Stoke). HE IS TO BLAME!
No only that, but it is down to him and his management team to make sure the players are motivated and ready.
Surely that is one of the things he is being paid for in his role as first team manager?
23 Jan 2012 15:17:35
Message and tip off to all genuine fellow reds, There's a little no mark person using my name to sign off so keep an eye he doesn't use any of yours to stir up any nonsesne with other posters . Why these idiots have to do this is beyond me but i guess its they haven't the balls to post incase they get criticised or simply because there so dumb they cant think of a name !
RED GAZ
Oh because you're so important they want to copy your sign off name.
Lad, did you ever consider that they don't even know of your existance?
They are Liverpool fans hence the "Red".
They might be called Gary, hence the "Gaz".
There are quite a few Garys in the world.
Stevie G (Not the other one just in case you think i was using his name).
Great ego Red Gaz
Wow stevie LAD i was simply stating he may use other names and post trash thats all LAD. But hey thanks for your forcefull post LAD you really put me in my place eh LAD ! You should be on countdown being as though you worked all them answers out on your own LAD.
It hasn't been you has it LAD and now you've come out of hiding you muppet.
ha ha what a star you are for giving me all that imformation LAD !!
Yeah sorry mate I seen your name and wanted it for myself
red gaz
Ive had this too red gaz so now i dont bother signing off anymore just like the chump above " great ego red gaz " he's just another gutless keyboard warrior
23 Jan 2012 15:10:46
since you informed me mon 23-AM on the transfertalks for David Texeira that are to begin with Groningen, I was interested in your source(s).
It is commen knowledge that FC groningenChairman Hans Nijland is keen on keeping the squad together for the ambitions playing Euroligua next year.
On the other hand, Texeira is "replacable" on a good bid, say € 8 m bp. Workpermit in UK is to bee seen.
Time is not in your favour: you have to score more goals and points, and transferwindow is closing next week
Good luck to you!
23 Jan 2012 15:04:46
I'm convinced now that the Dalglish out brigade
is a manc windup and we're all falling for it.
RedAce. {Ed002's Note - If there are posts from fans of other clubs we try and catch and delete them. Some will always make it through but I have to say many are from regular Liverpool supporters.}
Supporters isn't the right word for them Ed.
KT!
Supporters of a team should do exactly as it says on the tin "support", if you don't how can you call yourselves supporters.
don't call yourselves supporters if your constantly cussing the team
dr. a
23 Jan 2012 14:55:26
Great site EDs..
Came across unbelievable articule in Liverpool echo .. about stewart downing and Dalglish stating 'Hes better than a thought he was' ... this must be the biggest joke of the century ..
London Kop
23 Jan 2012 14:52:36
A question for the fans...... would you prefer a team of
(Believable) - players who want to play for the badge but struggle to break the top 4.
(Unbelievable) - Mercenaries who play for cash but will win you the league.
I know everybody wants us to win the league, i just wondered at what cost.
Danski
Not all the top players are mercenaries i.e messi,suarez they play for the love an passion of football.
23 Jan 2012 14:51:33
Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish has backed £20m winger Stewart Downing to become an Anfield star.
Talking Rubbish Kenny.The guy is no good.He's been in the premiership for years now and still needs time to adjust? Do me a favour.Get shut of him.
It's not so much the players that Kenny has brought in coz I can understand what he was trying to do, but it's the price we have paid for them that's staggering. Everyone is happy to c us spending money but £20 mil for downing £35 mil for caroll. It was important that we got it right in the summer and so far it's not looking pretty.
23 Jan 2012 14:50:56
Didnt quite realise how young Lucas was, just think in 2 /3 years we will have an amazing team, the likes of reina,Kelly, Coates, agger, Jose, Lucas ,Henderson,gerrard, suso , sterling, coady, Suarez and dare I say it CARROLL ;)
Gaz b
Hush Gaz b mate. Don't tell the moaners we're doing somethings right !
The Real KB
In what year will we able to play 13 players on the pitch at once?
Doesn't work like that. Contracts come up for renewal, players careers are short.
Haha, yea tell me about it KB. As for the other post, get a grip, just naming a few of our players that will boss the premier league in a couple of years, and if ya have summat to say why not put a name to it.
Gaz. B
23 Jan 2012 14:46:01
Hi Ed's, I know you think one or two players will come in from the outside before the window closes, and I do think we need at least one player to freshen things up a bit. But what about someone like Sterling? He is an attacking player, we know he has the ability and look at Chamberlain yesterday. Do you know of any talk of younger players making a step up? We need some refreshments in the dressing room and I'm not talking about drinks. Especially not with Carroll in there! Cheers Ed's {Ed002's Note - I really don't see any chance of Sterling (just 17) or Ibe (mentioned earlier and just 16) making starts this year as they are simply not ready for that step up. Chamberlain is a lot more experienced after his time at Southampton and older.}
Totally disagree the youngsters are there to be played how old was beckham, keane, scholes when fergie put them in, fowler, macca, Owen, Redknapp etc .. {Ed002's Note - 19, 19, 19, ... I gave up at that point.}
Just a quick Q to the eds generally, only recently have we had a few youngsters come from the Academy into the 1st team squad, when other clubs have a steady stream on players coming through. Everton especially with the likes of Rooney, Rodwell, Barkley making their debuts and looking ready technically and physically at 16-17! Southampton have had Bale, Walcott and Chamberlain debuting at 16 also.
We seem to be addressing the Academy now with Borrell and Segura in charge, but previous to that, why did we not have players coming through? Poor coaching? The players? Facilities?
RedSG {Ed002's Note - The Academy was subject to much re-organization in the past three years and everyone is hopeful of good results in the future.}
Keane came from forest and wasn't a kid. Think Owen was 16 when he first played for us. People need to be sensible here, Sporting lisbon gave our lads a bit of a lesson in the nextgen if were honest, so to say there ready for the first team now seems a little bit far fetched. There is no guarentee many of them will actually make the step up to the first team, all we have at the momment is potential. lets be fair 1 a year over ten years mounts up and would save us a fortune. look at barcalona there is wide range in ages,they did not all play in the same youth team. I hope we have a golden generation it could solve a lot of problems but we have to be realistic.
RNred
It's a team game and were talking about whether an individual can make the step up.
So the fact they got a lesson from Sporting is immaterial to the question.
kidmillions
23 Jan 2012 14:42:58
Hey Ed's,
I just need to say this cos it is really getting to me. I was fortunate to go to the Bolton game this weekend and honestly our preformance was shocking and i was behind the fans in shouting wat was that and get your finger out but when the game ended I felt sick as each and every single fan sang kenny dalglish out of liverpool....
Dalglish is a legend, one of if not our best player ever and a manager who has brought us success. Reinstated he pulled us from a rut and gave us confidence, made some gret signings who everybody liked till they played. Every player says he gives them confidence and he is tactically smart when it comes to a match. In the end though thats all he can do! In my opinion he played a squad more than capable of beating bolton on a bad day but it just didnt happen, He himself was disgusted and in the second half I think he made the perfect subs too but still nothing. Kenny did it right the players didnt deliver.
I honestly think kenny was short of jumping on the pitch himself to try score. Who can honestly look at the team and the subs etc and honestly say that we didnt have a chance? All those fans who sang that make me sick! Your a fan your here for support not abuse ya like i said we played s**t but it doesnt call for asking an idol, a legend to leave the club he loves eventhough he gave it everything.....what more do you "fans" want....
LFC Paddy
23 Jan 2012 14:41:10
"Ive been a Liverpool supporter for 30yrs.. Ive seen us lift FA cups, Milk Cups, Leagues and European Cups, Ive seen us batter Man U, Chelsea, City and Arsenal, Real, Barca, Milan etc.. were on a new curve right now and the only way is up.. So i would ask all Liverpool fans to count their blessings that we have a manager who knows what being a red is all about, who has won everything their is to win in British football, who has put this club back in peoples minds as one to watch..support the team! Otherwise ur not a supporter!
ItsNotRocketScience"
"Results are bad, team is bad, signings were poor, attitude of players is off. Kenny is a legend with the club, and respect is deserved, but there comes a time when you have to take a long hard look at the current performance and not previous accomplishments. I would fire him. Don't blindly follow"
One a supporter, the other a complete idiot. Some excellent replies from my earlier posts, the Real KB, Sean, Runcorn Red.
None of the above posters like the Real KB and the other regular guys on here who do post good, common sense are not blind, they aren't stupid and they can be, and are, critical at times. However it's done with full objectivity and with a bigger picture.
Moons ago, players used to be given years to settle. Not days, hours, matches. People that cannot see further than the end of their noses are just pure ignorant and spout utter crap that says more about their lack of knowledge than the tripe in their posts.
And whilst on the subject to RED:- it is true the owners targeted top 4 this year. They never said 'demand/expect'. As far as I know the season hasn't ended yet? Possibly your own fault having unrealistic expectations at the start of the season.
Those spouting in July 'we're going to win the league' are possibly the idiots now thinking 'we're never going to win the league now'.
How can you get angry supporting Liverpool?
Bob the Red
Well said Bob. I said as much about it taking at least a year for players in key positions to settle. We are 3 years away from making a challenge on the Prem. Mourinho is leaving Real in the summer - watch the 'Dalglish Out' brigade latch on to that. RED LENIN
I really do love reading your posts Bob, but I feel I should interject in realtion to what the owners said in relation to us getting in to the top 4. Whilst they did not say that they "demand/expect" the top 4, they did say, and I quote, that it would be a "catastrophe" if we didn't get it. This, rightly or wrongly, leads me to believe that a conversation must have been had where Kenny would have believed top 4 is achievable with "x" amount of investment.
Now I'm not saying we definitely won't get it (although if I had to put money on it I would say we won't) but if don't get it and our league standing is a "catastrophe" it does look like there will be ramifications come the end of the season.
I'd be interested in your thoughts along with the others.
Ash
Top post Bob.
Ultra red
Totally agree Bob, I think Kenny has made in my opinion just the one bad buy in Andy Carroll, all managers make bad buys.
Posted on here tons of times were on the right track and it's Kenny that's getting us on the right track.
Given time he will be ruthless for the good of Liverpool Football Club.
As regards to Bolton we conceded an early Goal and were then chasing the game with no confidence of scoring, it was as simple as that. Confidence is Everything in Football. Link Suarez up with a Classy goalscoring partner and the whole team will improve in leaps and bounds.
kidmillions
23 Jan 2012 14:32:50
I think we are putting too much blame on Kenny Dalglish for the slump in Liverpool's form and for the lack of goals. I just read someone saying, "More and more I'm beginning to think we made the choice of manager with our hearts and not our heads. Its now showing." And then another statement saying, ". It seems to me like KD goes into a game with one plan and if that doesn't work he's reluctant to act on it. We are becoming very average and KD needs to stop the rot, otherwise him and Rafa will be spending lots of time looking at the classifieds together." But this is not the case, the reality is we are not a stable club.
Rafa came close to building a squad that could challenge. He made his mistakes and a year later he was out. We claim to be a patient club but how can we say that? We are rifling through managers and already people are trying to get rid of KD. We don't have the money to build a team in one or two seasons. So we have to have a long view.
It's frustrating coz as I wrote a couple of weeks back, we were literally 2 goals short of being champions. We let impatience get the better of us. We took a big jump forward then took a half step back. Instead of pushing forward from there we cut off our leg!!
As with any team trying to build without megabucks it will take us 4 to 5 seasons. KD is only one year in so there is no reason to believe we would be much better than this. Look at Spurs. Remember the year they lost out on Champions league football because of food poisoning? After that they took a step backwards but then pushed again. Now they are title legitimate contenders.
We need to stop shooting ourselves in the foot.
Danny
Just shoot Carroll in the foot. Might wake him up.
23 Jan 2012 14:31:47
King Kenny is embarrassing your club with buys like Carroll, Downing. Who when called upon cannot step up to top team football.
You probably think this is biased as hell but this is what i honestly think is the truth. You MAY get 4th/5th at the most unless you bring in a goal-scorer, a winger and a solid DM.
Its clear to see even as a United fan what is wrong, Downing cannot handle supplying the balls to Carroll on his own. Your playing Henderson (CM) and Kuyt (ST) as right wingers - neither can put a decent cross in. And as much trickery and skill Suarez has - his finishing isnt top drawer. There is no stability in your CM with Lucas out. Charlie Adam isnt the player you all make him out to be. And Gerrard is starting to slow and become more injury prone.
Until KK and his entourage realise that some of his buys were a waste and not up to standard - you will end up buying more "english potential" that dont have a thing on past players i have seen here at Liverpool e.g. Torres, Alonso etc.
Although i agree with some of what your saying I disagree with you saying kenny is embarassing us. Carroll and Downing are players who before coming to us got results but i have to agree i feel they are not stepping up
Dgea, Jones and Young are not exactly the signings of the Season are they.
Suarez,Coates and Enrique will prove to be better signings than them 3 for less money.
Do agree on Carroll though, but all managers make bad buys.
kidmillions
Thanks for the impartial advice manc,
the fact is we are on the way up
and you're on the way down.
your not even the biggest club in manchester. Once Rooney and the young lads see they won't be winning the league for a while cos of city they will all be leaving that sinking ship like rats. And Dalglish and us Reds are going enjoy watching yous slowly slip beneath the waves.
The Debt Collector
Thanks for the impartial advice manc,
the fact is we are on the way up
and you're on the way down.
Fell off my seat laughing at this....I say keep Kenny at the club with his expertise in the transfer market and tactical nous I'm sure the pool will be fighting for the title (that'll be the Championship one) soon enough.
23 Jan 2012 14:30:58
What a gang of cretins, the outlandish things people write day in day out and we give Macca (who nine times out of ten is right) abuse? What have LFC fans turned in to? These are the tools that want Kenny out, you people hurt my ears! Go support City or Chelsea!
I for one hope Macca is right not just because the young lad in question is quality but to shut everyone up! Plenty of things can happen in transfers to stop them progressing but do we want to drive someone away who share good reliable information with us?
Rant over....come on Reds lets push on for silverware and top 4!
YNWA
Souness
23 Jan 2012 14:20:47
Ed, Think about this; I know JM is not everybodies cup of tea, his team this season have beaten all set before them except Barcelona of which, most teams would struggle. He is the master of preperation regardless of who he's playing as a result his team stands a good chance of the title in Spain this season.
For KK to say the players were not in the right frame of mind is no excuse. 1 week to prepare??
We are all accountable.
Sam armchair
I totally agree with ya m8, it's up 2themanager to have his team mentally and physically prepared, sum times 1or2 players rnt rite but not the whole team, kk said that the team had the semi final in ther heads, wat due that exactly mean? I'd make sure and play my socks of ta make sure I got into the team 4 the big games, loada b*lls if u ask me and a lame excuse!
23 Jan 2012 14:18:24
(86.184.55.17)
23 Jan 2012 13:11:21
Not a rumour, more a request. Any chance you could create a seperate page entitled 'rumours answered by sarcastic ed that doesn't enjoy his job'?
Almost every response given by Ed002 would fall nicely into this category.
Ed002, if you don't like responding to rumours posted by others, then why do you do it?!
Loving the site otherwise, cheers all for keeping me occupied during a long, cold January.
{Ed002's Note - Here we go again with the anonymous complaints from cretinous vegetables here to waste everyones time. Do you think any of the Editors want to spend their time responding to bulls**t from Twitter (the main source of news for many fans - Hoilett, Bent, Cavani all confirmed signings et al) or from Rawk or any other sources (remember another confirmed signing Coentrao) when it would be much easier to check with the person who wrote it at Rawk. On the plus side the anonymous mobile users simply won't get their posts responded to much longer - thanks primarily to waste products such as yourself.}
Should of just answerd sarcastically Ed, would of made his tiny brain melt.
KT!
Ed002 - you do it for me! - loving your silver dagger tongued charm and feisty brashness.....grrrrr
002's sarcasm is what brings this place some comedy and light. Along with the other Eds. I'd like to see you answer questions about Cavani and Hoilett everyday when countless times they've said THEY ARE NOT SIGNING.
RenegadeRed
Ed0002 you are a legend
Haha would that classic reply from ed002 make it into this new page?
this site has more vegetables than a Linda maccartney shepards pie.
MIKEY
I like the sarcastic comments from the ed's adds good humour to the site
23 Jan 2012 14:12:30
These were our forward options in seasons where we DIDN'T have serious investment!
2003-2004 - Milan Baroš, Emile Heskey, El Hadji Diouf, Michael Owen, Vladimír Šmicer, Florent Sinama-Pongolle, Neil Mellor
2004-2005 - Milan Baroš, Djibril Cissé, Luis García, Vladimír Šmicer, Fernando Morientes, Florent Sinama-Pongolle, Neil Mellor
2011-2012 - Suarez, Carroll, Kuyt, Bellamy
Kuyt has been ruined in my opinion by being dropped as soon as Henderson came in. No real justification that Henderson would offer more than Kuyt had delivered the previous season.
Bellamy was a free.
Suarez is fantastic - nuff said
Carroll - I would rather not....
Please, please, please LFC - stop wasting the money from these owners and buy players for now. As much as buying players for "the long term" with resale value - how does this theory work when its Andy Carroll?
RANT over.
***WELSH KOPITE***
Spot on, I like Henderson but he should never have gone straight in the team ahead of Kuyt.
kidmillions
If you're going to count Smicer then you should really count Maxi. And I have to say that 1 good striker coming in now would give us the best strikeforce we've had in years. My personal opinion is that we'll go for Texeira before the window closes and then move Kuyt on in the summer and sign a more established striker to replace him
Red Ollie
A good manager vs an average manager!
Kuyt has been poor this season. Kuyt obviously wanted a more central role up top and so he is contested with the 3 you mentioned. Jordan Henderson with the fee not being mentioned has been one of the better signings from Kenny. Adam was a very good signing too but his form has dipped in recent games but form is temp - expect him to pick it up again, well he must if he is to stay in the team.
Henderson going straight in above Kuyt should tell you several things - that this is Kuyt's last season, that Henderson needs the game time ready for next season. RED LENIN
23 Jan 2012 14:06:48
I don't know why some fans are calling for Dalglish to go.
I feel safe in the knowledge that we have a manager who's already been there and done it with two teams, Blackburn and ourselves winning the league.
Impatient morons if you ask me, i'm not expecting much for a couple of years, at least where we will see the rewards of the investment in the academy, and where he will be given enough time to properly implement the pass and move system.
Stu.
You don't know people are asking for kenny to go? It might have something to do with the fact were 7th in the league, he's wasted money on crap players and we've just lost 3-1 to Bolton who before us had won 1 game at home all season.
That sounds alot like your basing a lot of your judgement on one game, which makes you incredibly fickle.
Stu.
Not to mention stupid.
And not to mention an idiot..who wants instant success..
23 Jan 2012 14:05:02
Why Roy hodgson not get the same support as Kenny Dalglish get from Liverpool fans?
Because he played dire football and his press conferences were so bad he brought on a small club mentallity.
Kenny has done everything but give his life for this club.
KT!
Haha.
The Real KB
Because kk deserves more of a chance he has been a great servant to the club and is liverpoolfc through and through.
skurks
Because he left us fighting at the bottom of the table not at the top of the table.
Simples
Just a quick response.
Because:
1. King Kenny was the greatest player to wear our shirt.
2. King Kenny was one of our greatest ever managers.
3. King Kenny stood up to be counted after Heysel when we needed him.
4. King Kenny earned the unending gratitude of everyone at the club and the city after Hillsborough.
5. King kenny is quite simply the embodiment of LFC and The Liverpool Way. He is quite simply The King.
1.Hodgson is, was and will always be a self-serving b*nt.
2.When Torres got called a cheat, he bent down and took a rogering off Slurgie.
3. When Joe Cole didn't live up to the hype, he claimed he couldn't be blamed because he never signed him.
4. He told Pepe Reina, the winner of three Golden Gloves awards that he wasn't a good enough keeper.
5. He claimed that a crushing defeat by the bitters was the best performance of the season.
6. Lied about The King to his mates in the press.
Hope that answers your question.
Sean.
Even the players hated training for woy as it was boring and repetative and defensive
Because some liverpool fans are totally hypocrite!
23 Jan 2012 13:54:13
I think it is time for both Dalglish and Camolli to step asside. Before they waste what ever money we have on average, overpriced players at the 11th hour.
I not blame Comolli. His record buying a players was excellent.
Give it a rest mate, comments like the above are making our football team and the supporters the laughing stock of this website. john1892
Another poster with no balls to post their name.
SHUT UP stop talking SH*TE AND GO AWAY
Sorry Ed's an all but some of this nonsense is doing my nut.
True supporters GET BEHIND THEIR TEAM
Good luck for Wednesday
YNWA
Mr Slonk The Red
I think you should step aside.
23 Jan 2012 13:05:41
Hi eds and fellow reds...
On the subject of Jelavic...is there anyone who thinks he actually would be a decent signing? I mean, weve tried the British way and we signed Caroll, Henderson. Downing and Adam. Nobody really questioned the talent of the above players, but Entique and Suarez - our 2 best foreign, and recent signings were questioned but probed to be shrews aquisitions.
Jelavic has scored something like 19 goals in 26 appearances...not a record to be scoffed at in any league. He cost rangers 4M and he has 2 years or so left on his contract...so would they accept 7m? I think he could be, at worst, a decent squad player for 7m? Wouldnt pay any more than that though. - OS Red
Sooner have Jordan Rhodes at least he's younger than Jelavic and scoring his goals in a better and more competitive league.
kidmillions
23 Jan 2012 13:02:45
Henry & Werner are at Liverpool today, hopefully something good comes out of there visit.
23 Jan 2012 12:57:49
Daglish out rafa in !!!
The St
You have just hit the nail on the head mustafi
Seriously - we are not like other clubs sacking managers on a whim! get a grip! We are Liverpool, we are one, we never walk alone!
Nah id rather not go back to defensive football cheers
Daglish will to pick out his coffin
23 Jan 2012 12:56:35
So what is the type of profit would Liverpool make (with out european football). I no it's not that simple, but what is it that the new owners have seen beacuse they are sure they can win. We must make a good profit or they never would have came. Not asking for a actual figure just a ruth idea  cheers {Ed002's Note - Liverpool are not making a profit at the moment but the owners will be looking to exploit their experience in finding additional sponsorship and will be looking for the income from Champions League football putting the club in to a string financial position over the coming years.}
Cheers ed. Is that Because of players that we have been brought in. Or are we breaking even and need to get CL and more sponsorship. Only trying to get an idea of the kind of money we would have to spend per average year, (with the fair play rules coming in we need to be making money)
23 Jan 2012 12:56:30
Hi ed and macca ino everyones giving yous a hard time about things thats yous have already told them over an over again and same with macca, but yous are only human just passing info onto another so keep up the good work and lets hope things turn out better for are great club thanks ! Better days ahead fingers crossed
Lukie_
23 Jan 2012 12:50:24
What a shame the players can't show the same amount of desire and commitment against all teams and not just the top teams.
You would have thought the penny would have dropped by now but football players are not exactly the brightest.
I imagine kenny will have all the players respecting all teams in the near future, if not then I expect him to make good on his threat to axe them.
Fair enough his tactics were not spot on but that's not why we lost, the team and tactics were more than enough to beat Bolton, the players didn't want to put the effort in.
MIKEY
Mikey, what a shame the players can't show the same passion & desire as some of the fans on here.
The people who are happy with everything & those who are upset at certain players are showing the only passion at LFC right now (Besides Kenny).
How can a team as poor as Bolton beat us so badly?
Lack of heart, will & passion from them.
Played like Lichtenstein on Saturday.
We should NOT PAY those players who played on Saturday (except Bellamy).
It was a disgrace, nothing short of it!
If us in the real world performed that badly at work, we'd be on a warning at least.
Extremely angry fan.
To the Extremely angry poster, well said and Kenny did give his players a warning in his post match interview after the bolton game:
"If anybody has aspirations of staying any length of time at this football club," he said, "they will not be here much longer if that's the way they are going to perform."
And that's what makes him great manager .. I hope those asking for him to be sacked read this.
Roy
23 Jan 2012 12:18:27
zlathan muslimovic at rangers...does that mean they getting ready to let jelavic come to us? hope not! EDS??
ARN
23 Jan 2012 11:53:49
Hi Macca.
Are we still trying to negotiate a deal with Inter Milan for the player you said Liverpool were intersted in?
Corkpoolred
If he hasn't signed already I would think it's obvious negotiations are still taking place.
Either that or it's fell through.
MIKEY
Hence the question...
23 Jan 2012 11:44:07
This is now the start of positive thinking week on this fantastic site!!!
Here are my predictions
1) We will qualify for the Carling Cup Final
2) We will sign a striker
3) We will beat the Mancs on Saturday
Kris the Red
Ha Ha Positive Thinking Week and the first thing that happens is someone presses disagree!!
Kris the Red
Should that be kiss the red?
Agree and
(4) will get top 4 place.
I like the positivity but in the fairness of balance and to manage peoples expectations this is a possibility:
1) We will not qualify for the Carling Cup Final
2) We will not sign a striker
3) We will lose to the Mancs on Saturday
Worse case scenario!
JJ LFC
That would be a great week a double over the Mancs
Grest post mate, negativity breeds negativity. Also all those people wanting to get rid off kenny, you will never get another manager who cares as much about the team and fans, he loves LFC, he needs time to put things right, so please stick with him.
Dr. A
1) We will not qualify for the Carling Cup Final
2) We will not sign a striker
3) We will lose to the Mancs on Saturday
4) Kenny Dalglish will resigned on Monday
Your comment about kenny needing time and loving the club so much. Yeah ok but i think we have a manager with better tactics and passion for our club and the good news is he lives just over the water, Rafa the gafa!
What miserable planet are you on saying we will fail at everything I predicted??
1) Can you sign your posts please?
2) Do you really support Liverpool?
3) Do you see any benefit in posting such misery?
4) Do you not think that the reason this team may be performing so badly and nervously is that they are scared to try anything for fear of the backlash they will receive from people like yourself?
Kris the Red
23 Jan 2012 11:35:03
Ed's love this sight, find it really addictive although infuriating at times to and I have to be honest I am as guilty as a lot on here at suggesting certain players we should get. So after watching yesterday's games I tried to have an unbiased look at where we are and how the season has gone so far. When I compare our first choice team at the start of the season, if all fit and on last seasons form and you compare it to utd's first choice, with the exception of Rooney ( just as a player ) I would have to say I think I would be happier with our players in just about every position. So why are they competing for the title and so far ahead of us in the league? The Loss of Lucas has left us looking more vulnerable defensively and with Suarez currently out we are missing our most potent attacking threat, these 2 losses would weaken any team in all honesty.
Now we can say we have had bad luck in front of goal and possibly this will balance out over the season only time will tell with that I guess. Now a new player might be one answer if only to kick start the season but there again there is no guarantee that a new signing will hit the ground running and might take a season to find his form.
We forget that we have not added one or two players to settled established squad but over the space of a year brought in 6 regular first teamers, add to that the pre season was affected by the copa America and Stevie's injuries, big Andy is yet to have some time playing alongside Gerrard and Suarez to develop any understanding. Aquillani was taken and played a lot as was Meireles if I remember rightly, now great for putting them in the shop window but if we were never going to keep them not so great for developing team understanding.
We never had Europe this year and although a lot said this would mean fewer distractions, I personally think the extra minutes playing together would have helped, the Europe league early rounds would have been a good opportunity to give the kids some minutes to.
Kenny's public criticism of the team is worrying, it breaks with everything we have come to associate with him, the doing everything the Liverpool way and behind closed doors etc. Maybe he regrets it now or maybe he thinks it was justified I guess we will see. The next 8/9 games are massive we could win them all which would mean a cup final place, utd out of the FA cup and probably in 4th place for the run in having played all stronger teams twice (and a certain Suarez back), play like we did Saturday and we could easily loose them all which would mean out of all cups and possibly bottom half.
Now is not the time to panic, we are capable with is group of players of beating anyone in this league on a good day, but we now need those good days, there can be no more slip ups the stoke and Bolton type days have left us in a position that we must beat the mancs the gunners and the other strong teams. Kenny will know this, he will know that ultimately FSG will want a return on their investment and that in the end that is related to results. The long term goal is to develop the majority of the team from the academy selling some on and the odd signing to improve what we have, a sound business model but can the league be won like this? Arsenal brought in world cup winners to what was already a good team, Blackburn, Man U, Chelsea and now it looks like City all had the luxury of been able to financially bully there way to titles, so time will tell if we can buck the trend, for now though it is city next and then one game at a time.
RNred
Although I do not wish to stir all this up again, it has helped them having our star player banned for 8 matches.
Red4Ever
The simple answer to your question mate is GOALS or lack of them !
23 Jan 2012 11:26:46
It's a sad day when some 'fans' are calling for Kenny's head. Like most, I was gutted at the performance (or lack of it) on Saturday, but if you are any kind of supporter you should know what Kenny means to our club, what he has done for our club and what this club means to him. By all means judge him, debate the tactical and personnel decisions but be patient, give him at least a full season ... Oh, and show him some F***ing respect, he deserves it more than anyone I know associated with our club!
Richards
I agree with you Richard.
When ya look back at the last few years we have been robbed of everything LFC stands for.. we were on the verge of a relegation battle when Kenny took over.. We whined about lack of funds, we got 100m to spend and Kenny has picked the players he believes can be moulded in to a championship winning team but, it wont happen overnight! This isnt the xfactor!
Saturdays performance disgusted us all but not least Kenny. The team plays in a red shirt in all our names but Kenny picks them and they let him down big time, they let us all down, they let themselves down.
There have been many games this season where we have been unlucky, lost concentration for a second and been punished, not had a striker in form (and that incs Suarez) These are the differences between us and Man U... the biggest difference tho is experience.. Man U know how to win a game they dont deserve to win, they dont lose concentration and they all perform, for the manager, the fans and themselves.
Were not far away.. we have a new squad, we have young players and we dont have the experience of winning.
Were one semi final away from grabbing a chance at gaining some..
Ive been a Liverpool supporter for 30yrs.. Ive seen us lift FA cups, Milk Cups, Leagues and European Cups, Ive seen us batter Man U, Chelsea, City and Arsenal, Real, Barca, Milan etc.. were on a new curve right now and the only way is up.. So i would ask all Liverpool fans to count their blessings that we have a manager who knows what being a red is all about, who has won everything their is to win in British football, who has put this club back in peoples minds as one to watch..support the team! Otherwise ur not a supporter!
ItsNotRocketScience
Results are bad, team is bad, signings were poor, attitude of players is off. Kenny is a legend with the club, and respect is deserved, but there comes a time when you have to take a long hard look at the current performance and not previous accomplishments. I would fire him. Don't blindly follow.
Notice you haven't put your name to the post !
I don't blindly follow. I take an overall realistic view. If you don't want to blindly follow thats great....go and follow someone else...then, you'll probably walk away from them in a not so brilliant patch.
What about stickability, faith, trust and support? My guess is you play Fifa 12 quite a lot. The real world and real people don't come witth a remote control!
KJS
ItsNotRocketScience.... completely agree, been a supporter a little less, approximately 28 years but have seen woeful teams under Souness and Bodgson and looking back the football under Houllier was largely defensive and counter-attacking. We are starting a new curve as you say, the football (as Ed001 mentioned the other day) has improved considerably, certainly more close to what I remember growing up, unfortunately the results aren't there yet but i can see progress. I can see the light so to speak.... We're not a million miles away but experience is key, we have very few players who have been there and done it as such many players have to learn by experiences....
As for not following blindly anonymous poster... I honestly think your point of view may be either an outlook or age thing.... I fundamentally believe that the best way to build is from the bottom up, to do this takes time and mistakes will happen. it is the approach that Barca have taken and it is the best way for us. Marketing, Increased Revenues, investment in youth will bring it's rewards. There is no sugar daddy to pump Man City cash... nor would I want one.
Richards
23 Jan 2012 11:13:21
Hi all just thought I would add some thoughts about the Bolton game and transfer targets
Lets be honest the Bolton performance was pitiful. We didnt seem to play as a team and only Bellamy can hold his head up high. Kenny must be looking at bringing new players in now.
Glen Johnson's defending was woeful. He is simply not a good enough right back. I think he could be a decent right winger as he has pace, can beat players and provide a cross. Martin Kelly needs to be given the right back position or Flanno who I thought performed well at the end of last season.
I think it is about time Kenny gave up with Andy Carroll. He just cant play the liverpool way. we arent the sort of team to play long balls or crosses from the wings. We play tidy, pass and move football. Carroll has no control or passing ability so just cant fit in. I was willing to give him a chance but after the recent performances, its not going to work.
So what do we need? A new striker, new winger (if Johnson isnt to be played there) and a new creative midfielder to replace Adam, who again isnt performing.
Looking at striker options, I like the idea of Darren Bent. People have said he is not good enough, he is a 15 to 20 goal a season man. Better than anything we have got.
Right wing, well Aaron Lennon has been mentioned. Cant cross but has a lot of pace and causes trouble for defenses. I think he will fit in to the Liverpool style of play. There's also Adam Johnson but I think that is a dream Would love to see him play for us.
Midfield, ive not seen Granero play but a lot of people seem to think he will be a good signing. Hopefully we will get someone in this position to help Stevie.
Come on Kenny, sign some good quality players and turn this season around. We have faith in you
Keviniho
IMO we need a player in the mold of david silva who can play in the areas between the half way line and penalty area slipping balls through for suarez and carrol like silva does with city they have a big cart horse up front in dezeko and aguerio buzzing around at the present moment we are relying on Stevie G to try and do everything Adams is strugling to find his feet in the side Carro; is suffering a lack of confidence ( and this could be caused by our own supporters ) Downing has never be know as a goal scorer and if you have watched him over the years he is not a player that gets to the dead ball line at every chance but if Kenny could find a beardsley , silva type of player I am sure you would see the diffrence in these players games as for Kenny if were all honest our teams over the last few years have been medioca to say the least and we have so called supporters who expect Kenny top wave a wand and we turn back the clock to 1987 it aint going to happen people the man has got a gigantic job on his hands bigger than many many of you realise and I know given time that Kenny will turn our club around but Rome was not built in a day . A question for all you people crying for Kennys head what would happen if Rafa came back and with in a year we were 7th exactly the place he left us in would you be screaming for his head ? 6 Points from 4th place , 1-0 up in a two legged semi final , a chance to knock the mancs out of the FA cup this time last season we were out of everything so stop moaning and support Liverpool FC like your fore fathers did there is a reason why we picked you will never walk alone for our club and that was because we belived in the club , the manager and the players who pulled on a red shirt with the liverbird over their hearts about time some of you lot out there started doing the same and Now !
23 Jan 2012 10:50:57
Hi eds
Not a rumour Jus my opinion on something , I Believe it's time the owners Worked out that kk n dc are not what we need anymore n that it's not working ! I think it's time Liverpool noticed their mistakes and tried to sort them out
What I believe we need now is the owners to reinstate kk as directer of fb , n bring bk rafa Benitez n give him the funds to bring bk 3players that we miss ! N 2 additionals
Eg ALONSO, mascherano , TORRES! These 3 players where the heart of Liverpool with gerrard ..
I also think they shud bring in a winger my choices would b bastos (Lyon) or quersama or how ever u spell it ! n a cb g. Milto is a free agent (former Barcelona n argentina cb) n would b a solid signing even if for only one season
Thank god you arent in charge then
Really?
Just turn your xbox 360 on and get it done then mate, should only take you 5 minutes that lad. Please get a grip, do you know nothing about this club and its dealings with the likes of Masch and Torres.
Is that trip to the Etihad just over a year ago really that distant a memory?john1892
I don't think so far DC have any choice on the buy. DC want Mvila Kenny go for Adam. so its a sign so far player is kenny's choice.
Everyone wanted adam when he didnt play for us i recall reading people on here leaving posts on here like come on kenny he should of been ours in jan an things like that and now we have him and he has a dip in form everyones saying hes not worthy of playing for liverpool. kenny probably wont but anyone this window so all u plastic fans will have no one new to slate till the summer an i was disapointed with the bolton game but arsenal newcastle lost and chelsea only gained a point from there game so were not the only team messing up must win games
thanks
big red john
23 Jan 2012 10:42:38
I seriously don't see us signing anyone. Who in there right mind would give dalglish more money to waste.i wouldn't send him to d shop for a pound of butter. And people used to give out about rafa.
Ben.irish.
23 Jan 2012 10:38:06
supporters have a right to moan about there team ,we got beat buy bolton 3-1,if the players cant be botherd then
Of course mate, moaning's part of the British psyche. Can't beat a good moan sometimes.
This website should actually be sponsored by Liverpool Samaritans, with all the eds given counselling training. Ed002 can be matron. Oooooohhhhhhh matron.
The Real KB {Ed002's Note - Ed007 gives great bed baths KB.}
Players play for the club for only a limited time. I however being a fan will be here for life. If you're asking the fans not to bother because of the current playing staff then the club as a whole will cease to exist. I lost a shed load of cash betting on Liverpool to beat Wimbledon in 'that' FA Cup final in 1988, but I stayed with my team & had the best night of my life in 2005. When the next big trophy celebration comes our way whenever that may be, will you & your castigating colleagues be entirely comfortable joining in given your 'can't be bothered' comments of now?
dd
23 Jan 2012 10:03:00
Last year when Kenny took over due to injures in the 1st team he had no choice but to play the youngsters, Robinson, Flanagan, Spearing, Kelly and they all played very well, so why does he not do the same again we have a few injures and players that don't deserve to wear the shirt at the moment, so give Coady a chance as a replacement for Lucas(we can't do any worse), Sterling 4 Downing, Suso 4 Suarez(he's banned) & Morgan 4 Carroll(don't have the heart to wear the legendary No 9.), those youngsters should be given a chance im fed up with people saying there not ready, but if there were playing at Arsenal they would be playing.
BigD
23 Jan 2012 10:00:29
Oh and to continue my 'rant' against crap supporters. I spent the time visiting the archives, virtually a year ago. Just to see what fans were saying. It proves my theory that you change your opinion as much as your Y fronts. This is just a snippet:-
Seriously getting embarrassed now with some of you lot. Haven't made any of this crap up. It's all on the website:-
"13 Jan 2011 21:07:14
Liverpool Rumours
Last night after the blackpool game, Ian Holloway insists it will take more than £3.5million to prise Charlie Adam away from Blackpool. He's exactly our sort of player.
Get him signed!
13 Jan 2011 22:06:35
Liverpool Rumours
I saw the match between blackpool and liverpool, charlie adams was just like, if not playing identical to xabi alonso, his long range passing, shot from halfway line. would love to see him sign for Liverpool
13 Jan 2011 20:06:38
Liverpool Rumours
Charlie Adam is the sort of player we need call me old fashioned but that lad plays the game like it should
13 Jan 2011 18:38:28
Liverpool Rumours
People questioning us going after Adam must be blind. Being obsessed with reputation and 'brilliant foreign youngsters' has got us where we are. So many young french, dutch & spanish flops been through here. Adam has performed all season in our league, not ligue1 or eredivisie. I would pay 10m for him tomorrow!
13 Jan 2011 18:01:09
Liverpool Rumours
Hi I have been watching Charlie Adams in last few matches and in terms of passing he is 80% of xabi nd much better than anybody we have . if we add 2, pacey wingers and another striker with him this will give Liverpool new dimension nd if we were to take risk I would risk 5 million on him than some foreigner with no experience of EPL such as Poulsen
13 Jan 2011 15:25:23
Liverpool Rumours
Charlie adam kind of reminded me of Alonso's play. . I thought he was great yesterday, nice longpasses and far better then poulsen and lucas together. .
13 Jan 2011 14:33:59
Charlie Adam + Kenny Dalglish = Scottish magic in the making.
13 Jan 2011 14:30:35
Liverpool Rumours
Charlie Adam not good enough? Part of a winning side last night with nothing short of effort and hunger. Don't recall him giving the ball away and dictated their side not only in terms of string pulling but direction and communication. I'd have him added to the squad if I could.
13 Jan 2011 12:13:32
Liverpool Rumours
After last nights performance I would rather Liverpool snapped up Charlie Adam for 3-4 million and play him instead of Lucas or Poulsen both are not worthy if pulling on a Liverpool shirt, they are awful!
13 Jan 2011 09:59:58
Liverpool Rumours
Hey we should get charlie adam guy ran the show yesterday , hes better than every liverpool midfielder at the club including gerrard on current form , hes cheap cause contract is up , villa seem interested , but again slow slow liverpool are like slugs in signing anyone wish we didn't have yanks incharge they should stick to baseball, and macca
your full of sh* everyone new roy was going , everyone should get out of his a* licking
13 Jan 2011 09:59:54
Liverpool Rumours
After last nights performance I would rather Liverpool snapped up Charlie Adam for 3-4 million and play him instead of Lucas
13 Jan 2011 08:47:06
Charlie Adam got the lot works hard and can pass a ball, so he is not a household name wow. Was Keegan, Wheelan , Nicol etc etc please reds stop the attitude, s we are starting to sound like are BITTER rivals lets get behind the team and give Kenny our support if nothing else the effort over the last 2 games has been 100% better something work with I would say.
13 Jan 2011 06:57:44
Liverpool Rumours
So much for Charlie Adams not being good enough for Liverpool, and only good enough for relegation battling clubs. . Which Liverpool seem to be now."
And just for good measure I thought I'd throw this gem in:-
"13 Jan 2011 09:54:11
Everytime LUCAS got the ball lastnite he went backwards or offloads poorly its clear by now we know he is deffo not up to it"
Pathetic, embarrassing and shameful. Move on Lucas, step up Carroll and Adam eh?
Bob the Red
How do you know that these are the same people you fool.
Well said, wish you had named the posters though - lol
Good post. The most surprising part though is that there are still fans who question Lucas. Does the dirty work and has become an integral part of the team. Love seeing him in the Liverpool shirt and will continue to do so!
KingHeskey
Well played mate for goin through the archives and posting this. Agree 100% and often find myself wanting to either put my head through a hd monitor or crush my blackberry in my hand when reading some of the post-match banter on here. We all like a moan and its good to vent but i honestly cant get my head round some of these fans. FIFA generation, 2005-bandwagon and just a general lack of football knowledge is what i usualy use as my mantra to defuse the rage that these so called fans create
john1892
good post bob
We are all fickle fans, except you ofcourse. Most people just come on this site to vent frustration. Not sure that means they are bad fans. Some of these poor performances are hard to swallow, especially with the expectation. Perhaps we are being foolish with our expectations, but the owners did clearly state at the beginning of the year that they expect 4th. Perhaps they are ridiculous too. Whose to say John Henry isn't one of the complainers on here!!
LOL RED
RED,
How dow you know Bob The Red really isn't John Henry ? Lol.
Cos I know I am really Steve Highway and Jonson is really David Jonhson, cozinoz is really Craig Johnston and RedTurk has a small johnson. Lol. Well he must have, cos he's a bitter bitter man. Lol.
The Real KB
Another Gem of a post bob the red,
RedAce
Good try Bob, but I feel it will be wasted on the many of the fans calling for Kenny's head. I think it would would have been better off pointing this out after we beat the Mancs!
AG
Sir Bob The Red,
Both Carroll and Adam have divided opinion from the very day they signed, so are you sure, the posts you listed are by the same people criticising them now ..
And Bob, I have been bantering with you for the last 2 years, and I remember the days when Lucas was at the end of many of your critical analysis ...
Are they fickle posters in here , yes I said so many times, but are they wrong .. no; sometimes you are so frustrated , you have to vent it out, and this site is a good outlet .. After most games I come to this site to have a laugh or cry pending the result, and there is nothing more frustration than to see someone posting about how good Carroll played, when I just came back from the game and spent 90 minutes watching him contribute next to nothing to the team, one or 2 or 3 good headers or touches over 90 minutes is not good enough to justify the phrase "played well" for a Liverpool forward (and I don't care about the price) .. If people don't want Carroll criticised then don't come out with how well he played when he has n't ..
Bob, At the end of last season , I was hoping for a top 4 finish this year, I did n't think I hoped for too much, with Kenny everything was possible, we had money and everything was in place for a rosy future, right now, I am resigning myself to be satisfied with finishing the season 10 points or less from 4th spot, if we do that I will call it progress. --
Roy
Absolutely pointless post. Most of those posts are Adam as it happened. Now your ridiculous. Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing?
kidmillions
Roy, you speak the truth my friend.
Well said man.
"Kevin"
Great post roy
kidmillions
23 Jan 2012 09:47:27
Does anybody else feel we need to get Carragher back in the defense? We have started to look very disorganised in the last few matches. I like Agger and I think he's a great ball carrier but I'm not sure he has the discipline to play at centre back. Carragher was the chief organiser back there and I think we need his organisational skills back again. I'd like to see Agger in the holding role in midfield beside Gerrard. Adam is a disaster in that position and the the two centre-backs are simply not being protected at the minute. Had Lucas not been injured and Gerrard recovered from his problems Adam would not be featuring. He's only there because Lucas is out.
Carragher has had his time, he has past it now. he is one of the players that needs to be moved on asap. A 34 year old, on 85,000 or 90,000 a week to sit on the bench. Im sure that doesnt fit the current policy of FSG.
Steve
I'm pretty sure Carra is not on 90,000 k a week mate. ED can you back me up?
AG {Ed001's Note - he wishes he was on 90k a week! Nothing like it though.}
I believe carra told the board to pay him him what they think he is worth, he is on 70k a week.
Indian Buzzer
Closer to 60k i believe.
God is that all the poor fella must find it hard to make ends meet !
Carraghers bar in town is doing well, so I think he can just about make ends meet:-)
kidmillions
23 Jan 2012 09:45:09
Quite simply just about had enough of these so called supporters. The comments coming out of their rear ends is as unacceptable as the performance put in by the players.
For crying out loud. We played crap, we got beat. That's it. One result. It doesn't mean the haranguing of players, the manager and the owners is justified one iota.
Yes the performance wasn't good enough. Yes it was unacceptable, collectively and individually. Disappointing? Yes. Frustrating? Absolutely. Annoying? Yes. Sack the manager, he's clueless, out the game for too long, can't cut it at the top? Murder the players? Never play or fit to be in a red shirt? Do me a favour.
However one thing you could do though, if you're that unhappy. Clear off and support Man City. Christ I could give examples upon examples where, over the years we've had some shocking performances and performances to boot.
Just off the top of my head. Charlton away Feb 1999, lost 1-0 leaving us in mid table, Coventry away 1984, lost 4-0, Wolves home, Dec 2010, lost 1-0, Coventry away (again) March 96, lost 2-0, Middlesboro away Feb 2009, Newcastle away 3-0 Dec 1997, Leicester home April 1999 2-0 lost. Some of the dates maybe a little out, but all in all I watched utter garbage that day.
It's nothing new. What is now becoming prevalent is the mass hysteria of too many fans screaming vitriolic abuse at the players and the manager. Seriously how anyone can ever doubt what Dalglish has done for this club, totally ignore what this club means to Dalglish and/or completely forget that Dalglish knows more than you and I what is needed to be successful at this club is beyond my comprehension.
There is perhaps only one person on this Planet who could manage the club knowing EXACTLY what is expected, needed and wanted by all and sundry and he is Kenny Dalglish.
To start the, after just 12 months, 'Get him out' malarkey is absolutely staggering. I'm embarrassed to the point of dis-owning the long held belief that LFC had the most knowledgeable fans in the game. This is what is disgraceful and I'm getting to the stage where I'm going to start falling out with our own fans that continually spout this garbage.
When going to the match, admittedly when younger, I could sit/stand and have some great conversations with like minded fans who passed their judgement with sound knowledge of football, which included improving my knowledge along the way.
My last visit to Anfield was the game against Wolves, where I spent most of the game arguing with some fat t**t who spent the first 59 mins berating Gerrard and when he scored the opening goal after 60 mins, spent the next 30 mins telling all and sundry what a world class player he is and how lucky we were to have him, then switching attention to the rest who were "useless." Cue 30 mins of screaming at Lucas.
I suspected we had entered a new realm of supporting, but put it down to every club having the odd dickhead and I was unlucky enough to be sat by him.
But no this endemic is spreading fast. The first symptom appears in the knee in the form of a jerk, then spreads to the mouth in the form of abuse, then the fingers, in the form of abusive posts on club forums. The only remedy appears to be a win in the next game. However symptoms re-appear as quickly as they faded when the next game is not a win and on and on. The only cure is to win every single game by at least 3 goals with no mistakes and no goals conceded.
Looks like its terminal. Unfortunately we are going to have to suffer it. Why should we?
For the first time. I can honestly say I am ashamed of the supporters of this club. Not all but far too many for my liking. And I wait for the "There's goes Bob spouting blind faith, he wants us to stay in 7th blah, blah, blah"
Bob the Red
Quality post, most of us think the same as you mate. I have been watchin the redmen for 28 years and will support them in good tmes and bad.
Bob I totally agree with everything you said! Some times I disagree with Kk's tactual decisions like taking off downing and bringing on Carroll! But I wouldn't call for his head! For the first time in many of Years we are financially sound, were BUILDING a good squad with some world class players! Rome wasn't built in a day! It took whiskey nose 9 years to win a title for the scum! Have faith if Kk's post match interveiw hasn't shown u what this club means to him u all need to look in the mirror and ask your self if u are all true supporters if u call for players and managers heads!
Runcorn Red!
Forgive me Bob for adding again to your post !
But I think you're right.
I don't know what it is with fans today.
I first thought it may just be a Liverpool thing. You know, having such a successful history that fans come to expect it all the time.
But I look around and it's everywhere. Even at promoted clubs, who have spent 90% of their time outside of the top league. Instant success.
It seems to be part of our society now, this instant gratification. Instant credit, buy now and pay later.
Lol, I've just realised I'm going on like some old grandad. But it's true, I swear.
Maybe cos attending football matches is now less accessible too ?
Cos going to the footy used to be an affordable and good day out. It entertained you, and was part of a fuller experience (the laughs, the bevvies, etc).
But, perhaps most to blame is Champions League fever. No top 4 and it's a potential club changer. I don't think Uefa ever envisioned the CL being that. It was supposed to be a reward and an opportunity. It has become a financial must-have, mate.
The less you're in it, the less chance you will ever have. It makes it extremely difficult for clubs to plan and grow sustainably over a period of time.
This is the same mentality that may see Arsene Wenger get the boot if Arsenal finish out of the top 4 this season. Madness.
I just wish people would leave Kenny to get on with his job. Who knows the club better than him ?
Who is prouder to represent LFC other than him ?
Kenny is LFC encapsulated Bob mate.
The Real KB
100% spot on Bob. Saying that most of the so called fans who engage in this disgraceful barracking of the players and The King after every dropped point wouldn't know their arse from their elbows is an understatement. If they went on a skateboard, they'd have elbow pads up their hoop and a pair of Hi-Tec shorts wrapped around their arms.
The thing is, I'm certain that it's the media that encourages a lot of this fickle nonsense and hyperbole. Look at one report from yesterday for example. A journalist actually said that bringing Arshavin on for Oxlade-Chamberlain was the worst substitution in the history of football! Really? Another example, look at AVB's situation at Chelski. Less than 12 months ago, he was being lauded as the Messiah of football management. Yesterday's sports writers to a man were calling for him to be sacked sooner rather than later, FOR DRAWING WITH NORWICH!
I'm with you Bob on this one. It's not blind faith; it's loyally supporting your team, come what may. People who think that we're dinosaurs for the way we support LFC probably laugh at us because they think they've got it all sussed. To them, the only way to show how much you care is to vociferously and abusively attack everything about the team and manager. They will never understand that anyone who believes in the same ethos as us can constructively criticise the team at the same time as supporting. For example, saying that Downing is not playing up to expectations, contributing much of a goal threat and is not giving a great deal to the team in way of crosses and incisive passing will never be the same to them as saying "Downing is sh*t and the worst player in the league!"
I wonder how many of them would have put up with Beardsley's first six months with us? You and I are probably old enough to remember that until January ish in his first season, he tried his hardest but was woeful most of the time. He got the support though and turned into one of the best players ever to grace our team. Looking back, they'll probably only know from the history books that he was part of our greatest ever side, not that he was overawed and out of his depth until he settled in the side.
Then compare that to Lucas. If any player can show them how ridiculous they are for their lack of knowledge, it's that lad. From day one, I and many others could see that he was going to be world class, and not many will argue against that now. But the day I finally had enough of the knee jerk fan boys was the day I heard him being booed for coming on as a sub. Every single touch brought howls of derision and jeers. He toughed their nonsense out though, worked on his game, and turned into the class act I knew was in there. It certainly wasn't any of the fans that helped him turn the corner like in Beardsley's case. It was his willingness to learn, his work ethic and strength of character that turned him into the player he is. Now, there is honestly not one defensive midfielder I would swap him for, including the much lauded Busquest and Mascherano. he dictates space and tempo, and in my opinion, protects our back four better than any player we've had since Ronnie Whelan. But even though many will grudgingly admit how good he's become, you'll still see the odd nobhead popping out the woodwork whenever he misplaces a pass or misses an interception to slate him to hell.
I think I'll stick to the way I learned how to support rather than join their bandwagon. That way, even though i might be standing still, I won't have to jump from one bandwagon to another depending on how fickle I feel.
Sean YNWA (unless the angry mob decide otherwise)
Agree with Bob and Runcorn... the Hysteria gets a bit much on here when we lose, much like the Lfc site forums used to under Rafa... I think we were all angry with the fact no one (bar Bellamy) turned up ... focusing on individuals or scape-goating one or two players is not the way to go . Perhaps we feel the league is slipping away a bit hence the frustration and over-reaction from some. Perhaps what gets missed is the ability to debate tactical decisions like formations sensibly.
Players need time to adjust and settle at new clubs; Henry,Pires and Ronaldo spring to mind as players who have taken at least a year to adjust.... patience is seemingly gone in modern football. I always believe players should be given a full season before we can judge, longer if they are young... until then we have to support and show a bit of faith, the answer to our problems was never going to be so easy to fix...
Richards
Blah, Blah, Blah! The other half of posters on here are sick of hearing the clear off and support Man City posts, go on keep watching with ya rose coloured glasses on people!
Steve
Back to the Etihad, Steve, ya whinging old nana
cozinoz
Great post Bob!
RedAce
Cozinoz, i think i will pass on heading to etihad, im actually quite ok right here. Thanks anyway!!
Steve
Thank you Bob, I was expecting one from you for the past couple of days! Unfortunately, I think 'that' result and performances have made many a fans think ..'That's it! I'm going to start abusing the manager, players etc..' I fear from now on there will be much more opposition to Kenny and co. Most of them have been patient, but they simply have run out of it by January.
For me, I have only started following football in general and LFC in particular since 2007, a very very short period by all means considering that many have been following the Red Men from a very young age. Now, this means I have never had the privilege to watch us win anything, had to endure general negative play from Rafa and Hodgson, and during that time had to just sit back and enjoy the football Kenny had has playing for the majority of his time since his comeback. Am I plastic fan? I don't know, what I know is I will continue supporting them through thick and thin!
AG
Thanks Bob
Dara D
Utter tosh.
Are we not after spending over £100m in the last year?
Where are we in the league?
Who in their right mind would spend £20m on Downing.
£22m on Suarez compared to £20m on Downing - think about it.
Take off your blinkers Bob.
I love Kenny as much as the next person but if he carries on signing the Downings of world football we'll soon be in mid table permanently.
To top it all off, we have been struggling to score for the past 4 months but yet Kenny decides we won't be signing anyone at the start of January to help fix that, maybe no player coming in at all?!
That's absolutely unforgivable for me. Every man & his dog can see we need a quality forward!
Blow the whole budget if needs be.
If it back fires, would it be much worse than paying out £35m for big Andy who so far has been nothing short of a calamity.
Bob, you do talk some sense & i don't want to fall out with you, but please tell me how Mourinho won the league in his first season, Mancini is top of the league in 2nd full season after finishing in the top 4 last season - the reason is they spent the right way on QUALITY.
Kenny has NOT!
But i hope he proves me wrong.
Believe me, i'd love to come back on here in May & say "Sorry Bob, you were right, shame on me for doubting Kenny".
But I bet you right now that WILL NOT need to happen as we will finish 5th - 10th.
Don't care about the cups really unless we get in the top 4 too.
That should be our minimum requirement.
Abuse me if you want, but without fair argument I won't respond.
Over to you Bob..
"Kevin"
Sorry Bob, I shouldn't have said "utter tosh".
I do respect your opinion - i just don't agree with it mate.
"Kevin"
Kevin, it was once said that "Liverpool Football club exists not to make money, it exists to win trophies ." Those words were spoken by a wiser man than me. How things have changed that our fans don't care about the cups. Sums up everything for me really that fans are more arsed about getting 4th place than winning at Wembley next month. Things might have changed since Shankly's time, but not much of it seems to be for the better as far as supporting the team goes. Years ago, they used to make shirts after we'd won a trophy like my "Paris '81" shirt. A source of pride for any supporter to wear. How many people would bother buying the "4th out of 20 2012" shirt?
Sean
Kevin
Good post mate and you make some valid points there.
The thing I would point out (if you don't mind me butting in) is you're placing everything on 4th or nothing.
If that is the case, do we give each new manager one season to achieve it and, if they don't, replace them ?
Cos that's what your post is ultimately implying ?
The Real KB
Kevin I remember Kenny Dalglish signing a player called John Barnes most of the reds I knew could not understand why he would sign barnes and what a player he turned out to be lets give the lad a chance he is now playing for one of the biggest clubs in the world yes the world as is Hendo, adams, and big Andy in comparisons Sunderland, Newcastle , Blackpool and Aston villa are not like playing for Liverpool Fc . I can remember a player who came from Arsenal's double winning team as a center forward I seen him miss a goal from in side the six yard box against Chelsea and we all though what have we bought here a dud and to say he struggled like mad is an understatement his name was the great Ray kennedy and what a player he became for our club with abit of time and support
23 Jan 2012 09:43:21
good mng..ed..fantastic work..and keep it up..
results..we were beaten..quiet easily by them..lets be honest..we aer not a CL team..and we dont deserve this year..we will give ours anotehr 12 months...and probably next year we should be in CL...playing in europeon nights is a big thing...current team doesnt deserve..adam, henderson, carroll..not fit enought to wear the jersey and play in CL...
Ed..tell me we need a striker...are we gonna buy some one this window??
its not panic buy..we need someone to score goals..
people here have been comparing lucas with carroll..
guys..lucas came from outside England..probably a young lad..who have never played in epl...he took time to adapt...which is quiet common..carroll, adam and henderson have been playing in england..from quiet some time...no excuse for them...
if someone ask me..whats the flop buy of the season..it should be downing ahead of torres...
I still trust KK..and will never leave liverpool..if we are in relegation battle..coz thats the spirit liverpool has...
but being a fan..i want my team to compete and winning...
lets hope for the best and prepare for the worst..
need to beat city..and utd..
atleast lets have a carling cup this time..
you will never walk alone...
Unbelievable! Your post is like reading from a Schizo's diary.
"Adam, Henderson, Carroll not fit enough to wear the jersey"
"I still trust KK"
Who do you think signed the players? So you trust him, but trust him to sign players you think aren't worthy to play for us? How does that work then?
And then you've got the cheek to sign off YNWA after hanging three or four players out to dry?!
Incredible. Just incredible.
"Your post is like reading from a Schizo's diary."
Not very nice mate!
23 Jan 2012 09:37:46
with all seriousness i would like to ask the ed's what their honest opinion of Andy Carroll is? I didnt see much of him at Newcastle but i remember he was the next big thing for english football.......do you think that with time he will become the player we thought he would be or do you think he will be a flop. When i watch him trip over his own feet and not try to get in the box when we make a quick break it just seems he is not interested.....cheers {Ed002's Note - There is no doubt he has the capability to play in the EPL and there is no doubt that he must be a real handful to defend against. However the question remains whether or not he fits in to the style of play that Liverpool favour. Whilst it obviously takes time for a player to adapt and settle, a year is more than enough. There is clearly a confidence issue. Perhaps a couple of goals and the fans being off his back would fix that.}
You have to wonder at the logic of having a £35m asset you are not making the best use of.
When he was Newcastle he was very good, and trouble for defenders, but as the ed said, it is defiantly a confidence issue, but the major factor is he does not suit our style of play at all maybe somewhere like Spurs hed do well.
BigD
23 Jan 2012 09:33:05
Harry Rednapp...what a joke!
He's banging on about Balotelli scoring the winner but shouldn't have been on the pitch for kicking Scott Parker in the head.
Yet I distinctly and clearly remember screaming at the screen when Parker kicked out at Lucas in our game AFTER the ball had gone, yet nothing was done or said about that? Typical hypocrisy from dodgy arry an SSN
Sinner21
I remember that and seeing as the ref did not see it why was there no action by the FA
I think he has other things on his mind today like staying out of jail for tax evasion. Love to see him getting sent down for a stretch.
kopfiend 1978 ynwa
23 Jan 2012 09:19:59
Let's all face it. We are still not good enough for the Champions league. We have endured five months of being told the team is playing well - even when we don't win. Even FIFA 2012 managers can see we need at least TWO strikers...I love my club be I want to see class return to the team...We are a million miles away from the Alonso era...
Exiled Scouser
I agree with alot of your post but do yourself a favour and dont quote fifa games thats taking things too much out of context
23 Jan 2012 09:17:41
Hi guys great website. In my opinion i think the next two premier league games are more important than the carling cup and fa cup games. As much as we like to win a trophy and beat man utd this week, i feel its more important to get six points in our next two games (which are wolves and spurs). I think that the spurs game will decide if kenny is going to stay or go. I hope that we beat spurs by a huge score. months ago we were saying that we were going to thrash a team by a huge score but, it has not happened yet. If we win that game (hopefully 4-0 or 5-0) then i think kenny is going to stay. but lose the match, then kenny and the players should get sacked because they are not good enough. what do u guys think? thanks and ynwa
4-0, 5-0??..dude..who is gonna score all these?? carroll? henderson? bellammy? adam?....might be they wil lscore a few..defoe and bale or vandervart...
I understand what you are saying. the reason why i'm saying 4-0 or 5-0 is because we want revenge over those cocky spuds. because of what happened last time when we had two players sent off (which should have never been sending offs), i was so mad because of the decisions that went against us. Also all of us have been waiting to get revenge over spurs (who think they are best club in the world since taking our 4th place two years ago). Also i am saying that the match is going to show if the players are really good enough to challenge these teams. Also i think that match is going to decide if kenny is good enough for the job. That is all i am saying lol.
23 Jan 2012 09:02:56
I still believe Kenny can still bring back the magic. He did it with some kids when came back last year; after many years. Lets not talk about sacking Kenny now. We have to stand behind him and Lfc. Yes, it is true that many of his singings have not done good to him. I think he is inside the problem he needs to come out of it and think from outside. A few things that he should do to get us back on track for 4th spot:
1. Buy Esteban Granero, Krasic and Tevez immediately
2. Give chance to reserve/ young players like suso, rahim coady etc
3. Also bring back Joe cole; we creative players
What do you guys say?
Leave football to those
who know something about it mate.
Keep the Faith.
23 Jan 2012 08:53:32
Morning boys and girls....
I have finally calmed down about the weekend but I have to say it took a pole dancer on "got to dance" called and I s**t you not, BENDY KATE to bring me to my senses about Liverpool.
Fans have a right to bitch and moan about their team when things are not going well on the pitch because we all want th same thing... success, However I think that it is best to not get too upset when we lose and not to get carried away when we win.
I have a few points to make:
1. People who want Kenny Daglish out should pack their bags and stop supporting the club just like Kenny threatened the players with the axe. Kenny Daglish his name is do you remember him..... Best ever player, player manager the man who attended nearly every funeral for those who died at Hillsborough an ICON..... Lets Sack Him Anyway I hear the mob chanting! What an utter disgrace.... LETS GIVE HIM ONLY 1 YEAR TO TURN IT AROUND.... sorry for shouting but I am well pissed off! By the way, those who say he is past it and a fossil that wont move with the times here is a question for you , What was kenny's win % when he was here the first time? Answer= exactly the same as it has been for last year 50%. He wins 50% of all games played... Stick that in yer pipe you anti daglish w***ers.
2. Andy Carroll- Liverpool fans should no better than to judge a young player too quickly (LUCAS ANYONE?) but it seems that Andy is S***te and Kenny has been wasteful with our money yet again...... utter b****cks..... Who set up bellamy's goal against Bolton? I have seen the big fella play some awful games this season but Saturday was not one of them.... in fact it was only Carroll and Bellamy who kept us in the game by linking up and scoring a goal.... he had one more chance which was difficult an he did not take it! He is a player who needs service and you cant say he has been getting good service which brings me on to my last point.
3. Kenny has built the team from the back. Our keeper and our back 4 have been solid for most of the season ( although now the get "johnson out" bandwagon have started trumpeting out of their backsides again.)
We have a sprinkling of quality in midfield with a lot of potentially good players learning their trade with some good old pro's(kuyt, maxi). We have a brilliant striker in suarez and in Carroll someone for the future.... (played less than a full season of prem games in his whole career)
We do not need much.... creativity and pace in certain areas and we have a fully balanced squad which in the main would be young and hungry.
4. Would you take losing to bolton and then winning the next 2 games? personally I dont think it was a bad time to lose a game in the way that we did. I know that they are gonna be running through brick walls in the next game ( yes I know they should do that every game but they are human!) and it could set our season alight. We have been nearly men this year so far and maybe knocking the manchester clubs out of the cups could ignite the season.
5. Would winning the fa cup and carling cup and finishing 4th be a decent season?
WELL THEN SUPPORT YOUR TEAM BECAUSE THAT IS A REALISTIC POSSIBILITY THIS SEASON!
( dont bother replying to my post if you disagree because I cant be Arsed with ya!)
jonnybarnes 89-90 off to the pub!
Awsome
Square tomato
Well said Mate..... I agree with you..... Kenny
Bendy Kate,
Sounds just what we need
down the right wing
Blind support!
You are blinkered.
Even your sign off name suggests it.
Steven
23 Jan 2012 08:48:23
eds, do u believe that the owners are here to sign off some transfer {Ed002's Note - Not specifically. There a couple of important games this week and they come and go on a regular basis.}
23 Jan 2012 08:47:27
Which of the following are true or false?
A. Rafa had no hand, act or part in the mess that was left behind after his reign
B. Kenny bought some right stinkers since his return to the club
C. Liverpool will find it difficult to get back into the top 4 due to lack of spending power
D. anyone who thinks there is an easy solution to the current Liverpool problems may be lyng to themselves
E. All of the above
Rafa signed a lot of bad players to big wages, that ruined the club.
Kenny didn't buy bad at all, the players he brought have not stepped up to the plate and that's only 2 maybe 3 of his signings.
Lack of spending power? Are you mad!? We have spent over 100 million in 12 months, fair enough we received 62 million from Chelsea but still the owners have back Kenny.
The solution to the problems we are in now? Buy 2 players in the next ten days, make sure they have PACE and then the fans to get behind the players on the pitch no matter who they are.
Corkpoolred
A - True!
B - False (for now) too early to tell
C - False (if we become a TEAM and not a collection of expensive premadonnas)
D - False. The simple pass is still the most effective move in football.
E - All above False except A.
Where's my prize?
The dog ate it!
23 Jan 2012 08:47:10
Why are so many so called fans so worried, KK taking over is the best thing that has happened to Pool and yes we are far from the team that should be challenging for the title never mind top 5. But 1 year in to his return and we are in a far better position than we were 12 months ago.
Look through the youth squad and the youth already knocking on the door for first time football and we can see we are moving in the right direction, we do not have the resources of City or Chelsea but we do have a youth system and as stated by CC and KK we are a work in progress not just for today but for tomorrow and the future (Rome was not built in a day).
We are looking through out the world for the best young talent and spending huge funds on unproven prem players as seen in the past can back fire and try selling them on @ a huge loss is suicide for the club.
Have patience in KK we trust :)
23 Jan 2012 08:32:21
Liverpool linked rather than about Liverpool- compare Robin Van Persie's reaction to a substitution with that of Steven Gerrard at Goodison when Torres was subbed in Rafa's last season. Last days for Arsene may be approaching.....
23 Jan 2012 08:18:58
what is going on?
what are you lot doing?
the king is the only man for the job
support him...get behind the team
ynwa
paisleys slippers
Lets keep the faith.. Yes it was an awful game and everyone is pissed off becasue of the results but that does not mean you fire abuses at your manager and the players. Lets be happy that all teeams above Liverpool vying for 4th lost points and we are not far behind!! Kenny
23 Jan 2012 08:18:47
If we loose on wednesday we will loose our manager too.
I agree, Mankini is on his final warning
cozinoz
23 Jan 2012 08:13:12
Liverpool owners have set up a meeting with Kenny to find out why the team are playing so crap. Hopefully they sack him!
There are so many people, that seem to want Kenny out. So when the next manager comes in, and has a few bad results are you all going to turn on him, like you have with Kenny. Ross
The new manager will unlikely be a liverpool legend so we will devour him unless he wins the EPL and champs league in his first sseason and repeats it thereafter.
23 Jan 2012 07:59:25
We haven't moved in a year with Kenny in charge. We are still in the same league position. In fact we have dropped a place with Newcastle having a good season. For the amount of money spent, we should be at least competing for 4th. We are not.
Gazman
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Bullsh#t! We where mid table when Kenny took over. No where near 4th spot. Just shows how ignorant you as a fan are. Kenny pulled this club up from it's knees last year after Roy disaster & Rafas last year. He's a victim of his own success with the minor miracle he produced in 5 months last season. The way you talk you think a top 4 spot is a given. Who'd spot should we take? Utds? Chelsea? Citeh? Arsenal? Spurs? Rafa didn't have to compete with the emergence of Citeh or Spurs. It was always only a top 4, not 6 teams competing for 4 places. Easy, isn't it? I bet you got everything you wanted as a kid! In fact you might still be one!
The Irish Rover
Kenny has done nothing but waste both transfer budgets. He will be sacked and i will be exited when we get a real manager not some has been.
At last someone speaks the truth.
There a new order in the EPL and Liverpool have no guaranteed 4th place spot anymore.
Kenny hasn't helped the cause by blowing 100M on average players.
It will be interesting to see where we go from here!
The transfer policy of Kenny will surely have to change?
Excited not exited you dumb person ! There's no way your a genuine liverpool fan who knows what true support is, Your just another fair weather fan who's only interested when we win !
Forget the transfer policy. we need a new manager asap.
Indian Buzzer
Firstly, we are still in the running for 4th.... so whether we get 4th is currently under doubt but we need to keep the faith.... Yes Kenny has spent a lot of money... but why are other teams also struggling.. ( Chelsea and Arsenal ) ... They then need to sack their coaches as well. What I am trying to point out is that lets keep the faith.. Probably the team is more concerned with the Manchester games coming up. Good they got a rollicking form Kenny becasue they needed one for the s**t they are playing... But i still will support them as we all are humans and mistakes will happen......... Kenny
You are in denial mate
We may be in the runing mathematically but were not in the running realistically for 4th place
23 Jan 2012 06:38:07
Hey eds, really dissapointed with how the results have been going, i am still happy to leave the picking of the players to the team involved, though i will say that kk dc and co will go right down in my estimation if they dont get the right ones in this january! Dont go for this proven goalscorer lark, just get some players that fit the fsg mantra,dont break the bank but the have a good feeling about. Give them a run out and take a chance doing nothing will really cost us
23 Jan 2012 06:32:40
Now I'm being serious,I ain't just getting on RedTurks case but I've looked through his posts/replies and everyone is ripping one player or another. You know its his posts because he/she never says anything positive about most of them British,if not all in fact. A tad xenophobic if you ask me. Even after a win RedTurk pss's and moans just like after we beat City.
He/she ain't the only one. When will people realise that its an honour and a privilege to support Liverpool.
I hope,not that i'll an holding my breath that this bull about our player's will chill the f*** out.
Maybe Red/Turk and co will get with the programme and post about something other then ripping our player's,and while he's a Liverpool player,a bit of support might go a long way. Sick of reading same s**te off same folk. Get a grip boy's and girls,its time to start being proper fan's.
Jonson
I would say more like its tear your hair out frustrating supporting liverpool at the moment. It been this way for years now. As for ripping our average players apart, if you dont like reading other peoples opinions then dont log onto the site.
Steve
RedTurk is entitled to an opinion just as much as you are if you don't like what's written don't read it - simple as that really.
I would say kennys signings are bellow average. Suarez is quality but never has a player done so much damage to the reputataion to a football cub.Enrique is good the rest are championship to bottom half PL players.
So tell me Steve, what does ripping our average players apart achieve? If supporting Liverpool at the moment makes you want to rip your hair out I suggest you support someone else.
The Irish Rover
Redturk blames the new players even if it's got nothing to do with them. Downing was only on when we were 3-1 down. Carroll was playing well & linking up with Bellamy. Why not put a post up & put the blame where it lies? Why not, that Gerrard & Adam didn't defend, or Enrique had a stinker, or Agger & Skrtel were all over the place & couldn't put a tackle in, because that would be closer to the truth of Saturdays disaster. Oh no! His post during Saturdays game? Downing, Carroll, Hendo & Adam blah blah blah. There's no justification to his post.
The Irish Rover
Irish Rover, im guessing your another of the go and support another team brigade, if someone dares to mention a differing opinion other the blinded on here?
Steve
23 Jan 2012 04:33:59
Owners are here!
And Kenny gone ?
23 Jan 2012 04:21:45
with all this slating carroll because of the fee paid a big point has got to be made. he has not played a full season in the premier yet and the lad is still adapting to not only style but having to increase fitness levels etc, anyone who knows about fitness will agree it takes time to build this level required. i for one feel we should give him at least two seasons before we judge him. look at Rushie it took him 3 years to reach the standard required and look where he went.
i know i will get slated here but i think its the modern day fans and media, they want it straight away they only see the price paid and expect results straight away. we bought him for the long straight not for the short term give him time he will be great.
lets forget the prices we pay thats not his fault thats football today gone crazy with fees. our team will come good we our in a rebuilding state it takes time, possibly some years not six months.
lets just be a little patient we can do it we have been waiting 20 years so a few more wont hurt us. we will be great but kk needs time.
j.canada
He is rubbish! He wont be a sucess here unless the club change our playing style to suit him. Im pretty sure you dont change your style to suit one player, he needs to adapt to the pass and move philosophy that Kenny has tried to implement. Kenny and Commoli need to take responsibility for this poor, panic buy, they have simply bought someone who doesn not fit the style of play.
Steve
Listen mate you cannot defend Carroll anymore or Kenny they will both pay for their mistakes and ability to do their jobs.I would say the promoted clubs have better managers and strikers.Kenny has had it so bad over the weekend i hope he aint on twitter!
23 Jan 2012 03:47:20
Let me say this. Watched the game vs Bolton with about 12 new mates over here in Chicago. One used to post here before he got ran for a pretty timid joke on the manc site a couple hole back. I asked him if he still reads it and he said not recently as the fans are so negative. The game was brutal but the banter with us was deadly. If we beat city and spam in the next weeks and win 12 league games by seasons end well be all right. KK is a great man and has the clubs interests at heart. support you team. It disgraceful and embarrassing. Other teams fans must be laughing at us. Onwards and upwards. LFC 4 ever. YNWA.
The Truff
This is what I call a true Liverpool supporter. Everyone stop the bickering and get on with life supporting our liverpool!! Good post mate!
23 Jan 2012 03:46:39
Kenny:
Dalglish told his post-match press conference: "The result is disappointing, but the most disappointing thing for me was that I don't think we were ready to play the game.
"I don't think the approach was correct and I don't think the way we went about our work was correct.
"The foundations of the football club have always been built upon respect for other people and the philosophy that the next game is the most important one - not the one that is two or three (games) down the line.
"If they needed a lesson to be taught to them then today was it. If they think they can just turn up and get a result, not be as competitive and not match the opposition for effort and commitment then they've got a lesson today.
"If they've learned it then fine. Without trying to take anything away from Owen (Coyle) and the way Bolton played, we have to look at ourselves and see what we can do to try and prevent it from happening in the future. That's what we'll do."
___________________________________
;)
Red7.
Don't Say Manager lost control of the dressing room ?
That's not at all where i was going with that, entirely your thoughts un-named poster.
Red7.
23 Jan 2012 03:31:25
Im not moanin or anythin, but didn't Kenny once say 'only people who want to play for Liverpool' and here we have Sow, who's cryin out for Liverpool to approach him, but yet we arent approachin him, even tho we've watched him? I cant say i've seen him play so im not aware of what he is like, but if we have watched him and havent approached him, there must be a reason, and without attackin other ppl on this site, im sure the Liverpool scouts have a much better position to judge players than what we are sat at home watchin.
Carb
Watching him doesn't necessarily mean he will be a target, they may have watched Sow and not liked what they saw, however, they may be waiting until the summer too...
Red7.
23 Jan 2012 03:30:27
Just to clear up my earlier post. When I said that we are buying no one I was refering to this window. I trust the eds and also macca and from what I see from their info the majority of our targets are intended for the summer and with the euros coming up, players are seeming more reluctant to leave their clubs. Couple that with kenny's statement that he is happy with the squad, it does not seem that the players we NEED will be bought! Yes we have the kid texiera (or however you spell it) but again as the eds have pointed out he is intended to go into the reserves so our situaton is no different than when before we signed him! We cannot go another season without champions league football so my reaction stems from being scared that this will happen
As for my reference to the site, I just grow tired of outlandish and some simply ridiculous 'rumours' being posted and the same questions being asked over and over again (feel for the erds)
As for people calling for kenny's head, are you crazy?! Did you actually see us under hodgson?? We were lucky enough to get king kenny back and you want him gone? Maybe we should get roy evans back or even souness!
Anyways, im done now. Looking forward to the semi finał.
Y.W.N.A
K.Bennett
2 words that people should be using more on here "looking forward"
Exactly! Imo this is our most important 2 weeks of the season....the semi finał, fa cup game against the old ememy and the closing of the transfer window. We need to all rally together as fans and supporters and get behind our club!
K.Bennett
It the loss against bolton shows anything its that the team need us more than ever!
23 Jan 2012 03:27:43
Although I know we played rubbish yesterday i was actually quite pleased with the performances of Carroll and Bellamy. I thought Bellamy was supurb.
I also think Jelavic would be an inspired signing. I know he plays for rangers but I think it doesn't matter. Bellamy came from a season of Cardiff and Suarez from Ajax. I say we should give him a go.
But hey thats just my thoughts.
GOD
And Bellamy was originally from Norwich wasn't he?
Red7.
Don't worry about covering your tracks on the weaker league comments mate, anybody who is ignorant enough to think good players can only come from top clubs is an idiot, it makes NO sense to think that world class players only come from top clubs. They END UP at big clubs, they don't start there, this is why we have scouts. Why should we pay top dollar for players that other clubs have scouted like city are doing, when we can find our own talent.
Red7.
23 Jan 2012 03:14:32
Flashback to 1986, Alex Ferguson has lost and drawn a number of his first few games in charge, fans call for his head, yet the owners don't respond and buckle to pressure to fire him (of course no fansites and banter pages then). 5 Years later he wins the English Premier League. Flashforward 22 years and Man U have 19 league titles, and the now Sir Alex F is the most successful football manager in England.
Makes you think doesn't it.
But common sense prevailed.
So don't you think KK deserves the same opportunity!.
Who knows, 5, 10 or even 15 years from now, we may all be smiling, and saying "sure glad Sir (I pray by then) King Kenny stayed".
Trust the man, he is what is best for, and about our club!.
Shankly's Red Army.
Can you wait for 5 years to win throphy?
We dont have too, if we win the league cup or FA cup this year
GOD
Fans might be calling for Kenny's head, but the supporters are not.
cozinoz
23 Jan 2012 03:12:32
I think we should all stop getting hung up on the amount of money paid for these players we have, it's just what players cost ok, it's nothing to do with us, give it til the end of the season, then judge them on their performance, not their pricetag.
Red7.
23 Jan 2012 03:33:31
I bet a lot of people on here are the type of people that have a favourtie restaurant that they've frequented for years but kept quiet about it, then one day after years of loyal service, have one single bad meal and swear to never go back and leave the place while on the phone slagging it off to their friends and family.
I understand there's a lot of emotion involved, we're all feeling it, but some people are REALLY over-reacting...
Red7.
Do you work in a restaurant?
If so, please post where so i can avoid.
23 Jan 2012 03:31:34
im glad to see alot more ppl agree with me that kk should be given more time we are a team in reconstruction after rafa left us screwed by undermining our best players i.e alonso although i agree we need players for now i would be happy to go 2-3 years without challenging for the league and bringing in raw talented youngsters with fire in their belly who could turn us into a force to be reckoned with again. and get of carrolls back he never asked to be bought for stupid amount of money maybe its the so called fans lack of support which is affecting his game not lack of goals so get behind him and he will repay us by showing just why we bought him
23 Jan 2012 02:40:22
King Kenny, has done more for LFC, than the combined contribution of the entire current team.
Yes, some would say 'I wear rose tinted glasses', but I don't care, that's just an opinion, (and as they say opinions are like ar*eholes, everyone has one!).
Respect the manager, he has earned it.
Long live the King.
Well said fellow red
We haven't moved in a year with Kenny in charge. We are still in the same league position. In fact we have dropped a place with Newcastle having a good season. For the amount of money spent, we should be at least competing for 4th. We are not.
Gazman
Yes we are gazman yes we are
23 Jan 2012 02:03:29
Come on guys! lets show why we are the best fans in the world. support the boys!
Piccolo
23 Jan 2012 02:02:57
So let's look at the Bolton game from a different perspective!.
On paper, is the Bolton team better than Liverpools... Answer, NO!
Did the Bolton team follow the 'game plan' laid out by their manager... answer, Yes!
Did the LFC players follow the 'game plan' laid out by their manager....answer, NO!
Simply put, there is the problem.
Bolton played to a plan, drawn up by Ownen Coyle, the LFC players decided to take matters into their own hands.
Normally in any business, this would constitute a 'first written warning', or dismissal!.
Nuff said!!.
23 Jan 2012 01:57:55
Just wanted to ask the eds... First question, whats the situition with carroll... It is plain to everybody with a football brain that it will never work out.. One because of thr heavy pice tag wich affects his confidence. Two his lack of mobility ( very frighting to think a of striker with no movement). Will we cut or losses now or the summer. Because if ee dont it will prove that our club will continue to back mediocre players that arnt fit to wear the shirt. A sincere and honest reply on your view would be great eds.
Yours sincerly a very worried lfc fan
Stuart. {Ed001's Note - how do you know he won't work out? How do you know he won't adapt given time? Did you know that Geoff Twentyman was considered to have lost it because of the signing of Ian Rush? After 3 years Rush had still not slotted into the team properly and most people had given up on him. He turned out alright though. Lucas is another case in point, another one who had to adapt his whole game to suit us. Again it took years, but I think we have all seen just how well he adapted and how important he is to the team. How do you know Carroll can't do the same? Do you not think you should leave that kind of decision down to those that see him on the training ground every day? Perhaps try supporting the lad and seeing if an increase in confidence can help him raise his game? I don't know if he is the right player, he certainly isn't the one I would have chosen to buy, but I will give him time to prove himself before I judge him.}
I'd say anybody with a footballing brain can see that it's perfectly reasonable to think he will fit in, we've seen what he can do, and confidence can come back, he will need time, quite a bit of it, but after investing that kind of cash i think it's only fair that the staff make sure it pays off.
Red7.
Hallelujah Ed001 - you should cut and paste that response every time one of our impatient moaners on here start knocking Carroll. It's plain to see he is not too effective at the moment but with the right service and a bit of backing we should see the Andy Carroll who browned the pants of opposing defenders in 2009.
cozinoz {Ed001's Note - we actually lost the greatest scout in the history of the game because the directors were moaning tits with no patience over Rush. We really need to learn to have a bit of patience. Good things come to those who wait!}
Ed1 thats the best counter argument for Andy Carroll yet. I was personally over the moon when we signed Andy. I remember watching one Newcastle match with my father and we were discussing how great he was playing and my Dad said "he looks like a Liverpool player from years ago, I bet he moves to Liverpool". I said I thought he would eventually move to United, well I was wrong and Im happy I was. I really hope he proves everyone wrong and becomes the monster we know he can be.
YNWA
KiwiRed
A fantastic response, but unfortunately we don't have years. LFC have suffered from the same problem for years now. Even if Carroll was doing the business we still need two more strikers anyway to even compete with the clubs above us
A question to the Ed. At what point do we say it's not going to work? I understand the Rush and Lucas examples, but we can't give everyone 3 years. Can we? What dictates whether we give someone time and whether we don't I guess is the ultimate question.
Ash
23 Jan 2012 01:53:50
Well I for one am sickened by the nonsense being spouted on here about Kenny Dalglish. Sack him?!? Good god, is this what football's come to? The man's been in charge less than a year and people are calling for his head! Come on. We're not Chelsea, we don't bail on our managers at the first sign of trouble. We are Liverpool Football Club. We are proud, we are principled and we do things the right way. We certainly don't drop one of our own like last week's dinner when results don't go our way. People criticising our transfers; do you really think the players we had on the pitch on Saturday shouldn't have won that game? It's not Kenny's fault if his players let him down. And though the vitriol shown towards the players on here sickens me at times, I'm far more disgusted that people are calling for Kenny's head after so little time in charge. Shankly would be ashamed of you lot. Give the man some respect, give the club some respect and show your support for the principles and the togetherness that drive our great football club. Long live the King. You'll never walk alone.
Red Ollie
Amen to that.
Did you say that when Roy was in charge? I'll bet you wanted him gone as quick as everyone else t
People were calling for Roy's head after a few games?
Double standards anyone?
23 Jan 2012 01:53:46
If reports are to be believed!.
I am very glad that King Kenny has publically criticised his players performance (the whole team), and ultimately given them a "ultimatum" that if they "disrespect" the LFC badge and club (I assume by not performing) that they will be shipped out. For too long, has KK been criticised for the teams performance, and it is not fair to lay the blame at his feet alone.
It is a honour to play for LFC, to wear the badge that means soo much to soo many people, and if a player or players are not up to that, or fail to deliver, or think that mediocre and lacklustre performances are sufficient, then its time to go.
Would Alex F tolerate that, no way!, so why should our King.
Good for you KK, let the chips fall where they may, you are the legend and manager, and they are just players.
So, shape up, or ship out.
Shankly's Red Army.
23 Jan 2012 01:50:32
Definitely a couple of new players... even if its just loan with option to buy.
Those who want to leave should be shown the door.
This is a team not a team of individuals.
Otherwise band together and remember as Shanks said
"it is an honour and privlege to play for you fans"
I will walk on, hope forever in my heart!
23 Jan 2012 01:06:24
£6milion + £8m Dirk Kuyt to Galatasaray = £14million for right Winger. who ever is aviable maybe a swansea player
I dont see us getting 8m for Dirk - more like 3-4m
23 Jan 2012 01:01:56
Going to bed with one prayer: God please give us a transfer in the morning. I would be happy with Voronin at this point
23 Jan 2012 01:00:11
Why isn't Kelly starting, mov Glen Johnson into midfield. Get more crosses into the box.
23 Jan 2012 00:54:29
Judge a manager after 5 seasons. Kenny isn't a magical answer unless he was still playing. Rafael Benitez 2004–2010 Liverpool spent 5/6 season in charge. Kenny needs the same kind of time. Rafa would of seen sucess with john henry. I would of thought that now that luis is out of the team. They should play a more traditional 4-4-2
RAFA me apse, that man is responsible for the mess that the club is now in. He would have been fighting with J Henry from day one, because that's what he does, that's why he's not working at the moment, and why no one is willing to take a chance on him, so forget your RAFA bulls**t & support the team if you are a real supporter, if not piss off back to the Manc or bluenose sites.
23 Jan 2012 00:53:12
I want good memories of Kenny. But it will all end in tears if he stays at the helm. Which is the last thing I want. Games are not won by nostalgia. However much I like Kenny.
Man U play badly, but still score goals. We need creativity at all levels.
Then shut up and wait...
Why shut up? There is nothing wrong with being upset with our current situation.
23 Jan 2012 00:52:28
can he nail ittttttttttttttt,
can he nail ittttttttttttttt,
arhggggggg, he,s drillllled itt inn.
Fantastic flooring..................
Kenny should change to this tactic. Its simple and better than saturdays.
Harley
23 Jan 2012 00:50:43
Why is every getting all worked up asking for kenny to be sacked what's wrong with you, remember when kenny was named caretaker manager last jan he turned our whole season around from fighting with relegation to 6th so the least we owe him is to have a bit of faith in him, ok there have been 2 poor signings in MY opinion Downing and Carroll (who I still have faith in but has been poor so far), just remember that kenny inherited a team full of crap and got rid of the deadwood. Mourinho has made crap signing, fergie has made crap signings. Kenny's been here for a year and if we still had hodgson or rafa we would be getting worse we're not, we play nice football had a couple of poor games but majority we've dominated.
Before people start banging on about how I see everything through a rose tinted view, no I don't I just see the good things as well as the bad and I hope for better things.
Just watch Kenny will make us proud.
KingMiz
Carroll needs service apart from that how dare anyone attack the club we was nearly wound up !!!!!!!!! kenny till i die he give's a s**t. i will take time beleive do you remmber a guy called jjjjjjjjjjjjjjohnnnie barnes
23 Jan 2012 00:40:33
Liverpool Should Sack Comolli And Sell The Tripe He Has Signed
we've signed a load of over-priced and ineffective tripe who don't, on the evidence of this and several other lackluster performances, have the mix of technical excellence and bloody-minded desire required to make a surge at European places.
I just found this story on google news. Can any person post his opions as news? if so what am i wasting my time here>lol .. Liverpool should have lost at Bolton, because Bolton are the better team.
"Over priced tripe" was unfair comment. Its a game or win/draw/lose. Liverpool should really look into their home form this season.
23 Jan 2012 00:38:54
we need a striker and a right winger NOW! Questions need to be answered by Kenny! we are going backwards? results are going our way but our toothles team doesnt take advantage! we need to get real! 4th is a pipe dream unless we buy loan beg steal or borrow a striker and a right winger! why not put some younsters onda bench and drop the likes of carrol adam henderson if they keep under preforming? they cnt do any worse? oohh lucas and suarez how I miss you!.......I will support win loose or draw! i have a right to want my team to do their best! Y.N.W.A
23 Jan 2012 00:29:10
Guys! WE ARE NOT buying anyone ok! Just leave it now! I know its a hard pill to swallow but its time to face facts. Eds, you may as well shut down the site rather than being continuously annoyed and irritated with people asking the same questions and having to keep telling people to use the search funtion. Just being honest guys
K.Bennett
23 Jan 2012 00:22:31
Kenny is at the edge.
The game has moved on. He has done a great job at rescue, but it is a different game today.
I would like good memories of the past. Not see the man struggle in a totally different world. The premiership as a whole, has stood still, or gone backwards.
Do not agree.
The players today, are motivated by 'personal' agendas, fame and glory, and believe they are more important than the club they represent.
KK tactics are fine, players need to perform.
I could not agree more with the person above!
Carb
23 Jan 2012 00:21:49
i have a feelin that wer guna end up makin a suprise signing. Not necesserily big money but i reckon sign a top player
F5
23 Jan 2012 00:15:20
i think the owners have to look at yesterdays game and ask themselves if that team can really finish in the top four, the simple answer is no , we just have no creativity in the middle , we certainly don't have a finisher, just look at the 2 games today and the gulf in class is obvious, spurs with bale , vdv, modrich, defoe, the sh**e with valencia , rooney , welbeck , nani, city with nasri, silva, aguero, dzeko, all these players are making and scoring goals regularly and what do we have, a team who are far from creative with a midfield and forward line that is short on confidence, pace or ideas. if i remember correctly we bought suarez to play alongside torres but when he left on the last day of the window, in my opinion we made a panic but in ac. the lad is carrying a burden too heavy to carry with the ridiculous price tag and it shows, so my point is that the very slim chance we have of getting into the champions league can only be obtained if we invest in two quality players in this window , forget about overinflated prices because the champions league will more than pay for the layout of two more players, we need!! a goalscorer cos andy just isnt good enough, im not saying he will never be good enough but just not now when we really need the goals, and we need a right sided midfielder with pace and trickery , someone who will make and score vital goals when teams come to anfield and park the bus and one last thing i think the reason that kk played 5 at the back against stoke was because he simply didn't trust carra or coates to do the job so he put kelly in as extra cover.
TOMMY C.
YNWA. JFT96
Does John Henry get premiership results all the way in America. Lets face it the owners have gone back to their baseball team and left a bunch of monkeys in charge. Who ever handled the Suarez situation deserves to be sacked. Damien Comolli seems to be very good at updating his wiki statement with wounderful claims about signing most expense player in Carrol.
Kenny said no at the start of the season. >
23 Jan 2012 00:13:48
@Ozone,if you'd have read my earlier post properly,I didn't say to judge K.K after only one season,I said a minimum of one season so don't try and twist it.
You say you was a centre mid who played at a decent level so you go on with all this tactical crud about how you'd like a centre forward should play.
Just wondering did you ever play any football their,or was it all in a class room doing theory work cause you seem to have picked up some pure s**te their.
I can't understand what make's folk like you and Kidmillions constantly rip one of our own players every chance yous get.
I'm with fan's like MIKEY,The Real KB,cozinoz,JRG and the rest of the glass half full crew.
Finally,its amazing how many so called fan's reckon they always so something in Lucas,bullis**t. Easy to say now eh! Well i really do think with some support and confidence Carroll will go a long way. Sure all you doubters will be saying the same this time next year.
Why not just get behind the team instead of f***in nit picking all the time.
Jonson
Cheers Jonson, if we get on a streak and Downing has 7 assists in 6 games with Carroll scoring 4 they'll change their tune mate, these lads were Lucas doubters, and now they're even praising Spearing, who they slated only as long as a few months ago. I manage to ignore most of the negativity, but some things just can't be ignored.
And no, that wasn't aimed directly at you Ozone, but at the negativity in general, from all the doubters.
Red7.
Critics are fine - I just don't get the doom-mongerers who think the walls are caving in because we don't win every game 3-0. That sort of negative attitude should be saved for the end of the season when we see where we are not when there's so much to play for. Nothing dramatic will change until the summer as KK has a project he believes in and we should back him.
cozinoz
23 Jan 2012 00:12:55
What is liverpools January transfer budget? And eds do you think that the owners or whoever will be putting pressure on Kenny to bring in someone to freshen up the team and get us out of this rut? {Ed002's Note - THere will be no "budget" per se and I am sure the owners have many things on their minds.}
£6million. .
I heard its 6million + selling players
22 Jan 2012 23:53:37
i dont think, we will make a top 4 spot, the way its going, we will find it hard to finish in the top 6. i would find it hard for anyone, to warrant anymore money for new signings. you only have to look at the bench, this has been the same for the last 7 years, there is nothing there to change a game. the squad we have are mid-table team basis, there has been alot of money wasted. I AM STARTING TO GET DEPRESSED WATCHING THEM.
RED ALERT
Awww cheer up redalert we could still win 2 cups and qualify for Europe (you whinging g*t)
cozinoz
What pleasure do u get in watching us in europa league? coz dats where we will be next season. Even though i hate to say it, there r better teams out there who wud do justice to that 4th place finish, we dont have the quality to play in the champions league. We wud get murdered by barca, real n bayern.
Indian Buzzer
Why dont you just give up then Indian Buzzer?.........oh hang on, you have. when the going gets tough, Indian Buzzer starts moaning and blaming the world.
cozinoz
Im not giving up, i still live in the hope we sign some decent players. I have every rite to voice my opinions. Tell me cozinoz, if u were kenny, wud u even dare to step onto the pitch against barca with the squad we have? Im pretty sure u wudnt. U dont like gettin humiliated, do u? We dont have the quality to get 4th. The only reason we r only 6 points of 4th place is bcoz chelsea n arsenal r having a bad season by their standards.
Indian Buzzer
You are welcome to your opinion Buzzer but maybe you should occasionally tell us why you support Liverpool FC (If you actually do). Every post I have ever read of yours complains about KK, the team and how the season is going. There are a lot of negative posters on here but you are by far the most depressing. Re-reading your comments on this post alone must get the average Prozac salesman pretty excited.
cozinoz
Dont ever question my loyalty cozinoz. I was n always will be a liverpool fan. Im not happy with the way things r being handled at our club, u may have a different opinion of course. But its not easy having 20 mancs around u jeering everytime we drop points against bolton.....
With all the money spent, things shud have been much better than they r now. i wud be delighted if kenny's project brings us title no.19 n im proven wrong, but it doesnt look like it.
Indian Buzzer
22 Jan 2012 23:42:05
There are a lot of players I would like to see at our club but whoever currently wears our shirt will get my full support and the same goes for the manager. That's what we do at LFC.
Simply put, but sums up what the REAL supporters believe.
22 Jan 2012 23:38:39
Its the same with andy carroll, he scores 10 goals in half a season and all of a sudden he's worth 35mil. There's marco rues went to dortmund for 15mil and we buy downing and henderson for 40mil. Its a joke. Mata wanted to come aswell. They need to go out and buy a decent goal scorer. Push the boat out for podolski, soldado etc. Why not? Instead of buyin average overated overpriced british players. Like 35mil for carroll... What where they thinkin. Stew7
22 Jan 2012 23:38:02
Hi eds,
were we ever in for Oxlade-Chamberlain? seems like exactly the type of player we would go for under FSG
Cheers {Ed001's Note - I believe we did ask if he would be interested in joining us but were told he wanted to join Arsenal only.}