Liverpool Banter Archive April 23 2013
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23 Apr 2013 23:20:29
Adrian Chiles: "Is tika taka dead?"
No mate, it's just been found out, like any other system.
Adhering to any system is all very well, until people work out what you are doing, then counter it.
Good in its day. Now it has gone the way of dinosaurs and 180 page football theories.
Bayern made Barcelona look ordinary.
Tika Taka, football's version of The Maginot Line.
Bayern beat Barcelona by the route via The Ardennes.
The Strategist.
23 Apr 2013 23:41:27
Spot on mate, Bayern made Barca Look ordinary, they had no answers at all, it could have been more then 7 goals forget 4 that's how they showed how overrated tika taka is.
Agree to a certain extent. For me it shows why Mourinho is such a good manager.
He's always prepared to adapt and actually able to adapt his teams.
I hope B. R. sees that need also and we don't become too one-dimensional.
IncaMan
24 Apr 2013 01:04:59
Basically Bayern are a much stronger and physical side than Barca. Barca play attractive football, but most of their playmakers are small and lighter.
True to degree but a few things to point out:
- Barca are 13 pts clear in Spain and have reached semi's of Champions League, so the system can't be all bad!
- players performing well is the crucial part of any system and Bayern's players were just better than Barca's. But.
- tika-taka does get exposed when done at a slow pace as it allows teams to set themselves to defend and be ready to counter attack as too many players end up ahead of the ball
24 Apr 2013 07:03:31
Dont worry Barca still has 90 mts to play with.
I am sure if not 4 they will bang 3. without any doubt.
Tiki Taka is not new, it was not invented by Barcelona and it has not just been found out.
Know your history
Eds, do any of you know what Barca's summer plans are? Do they have some squad overhauling planned like Bayern, or are they doing their normal one or two players? {Ed002's Note - Try the Barcelona page.}
23 Apr 2013 23:13:12
Of course it is unnacceptable biting people, but the sad thing about suarez is that it is practically bullying from the media.
We will never know what he was thinking when he tried to eat ivanovic. The media don't know this either. Suarez could be a completel7y diffrent person to what the media portray him as, but even if tthey are wrong suarez must pretend to be something he isn't and take the flak without protest.
He might have mental disabilities that nobody knew about. wouldn't that be sad, knowing people could be mocking and bullying someone who genuinly needs help, not abuse.
We know he isn't right in the head, so let's support him and get behind him, stand up for him when being tormented by the disgusting media.
Anonymous woolback
24 Apr 2013 00:05:32
Mate he has a very bad reputation, and a track record for everyone to see, not only in england but in world football, this is the same reason why Ajax sold him for only 22M, he was giving them the same problems and Dutch media weren't different to England,
He is not foolish neither needs helps but a jerk!
He believes this stuffs are normal from where he comes or grown, in short he is a street footballer and doesn't want to change and that's the same reason why other clubs have failed to deal with him and decided to sell him.
If he would be playing in South America this stuffs wouldn't be big as week and week happens and for them its normal but in europe this stuffs are shocking to people and he doesn't want to accept europes culture which is a big problem for him and a club he plays for!
Relax mate it's not normal to bite people in south america, the guy just has screw loose. He's not the first footballer to be a bit crazy and won't be the last.
Uruseb
23 Apr 2013 22:34:48
Is the Eriksen deal really squashed? I heard interest was finally dropped
Yeah. Wages apparently!
23 Apr 2013 22:16:17
Hope BR was watching Barca tonight, Tika Tka is NOT THE ONLY WAY! possession stats count for nothing goals do, Barca looked as weak with set pieces as we do. We need a plan B perhaps big andy ain't such a bad option to change a game.
Barca have only dominated fir the last five years. But obviously a bad example to follow.
I thought the same thing. Fascinating to watch. Chelsea set up like bayern against us. To win the ball back in midfield and break quickly.
Barca had no, dare I say it, plan 'b'.
Liverpool has no plan B? We changed the lineup and formation at half time on Sunday.
Paul Mc
Lmao, it is always the same on here. If Liverpool lose a game they are s*** and we need a plan b etc. now are you saying barcelona are s*** because thay lost a game?
Red Lee
24 Apr 2013 07:07:33
to Mighty Reds
Barca have only dominated fir the last five years. But obviously a bad example to follow
Have you check how many trophies they won in these period?
23 Apr 2013 21:58:14
In any other walk of life suarez would be sacked and face criminal charges-lock him up and throw the key away before he destroys our reputation
You are a person! our best player by a mile, we would be with QPR at the bottom without him, terry, cantona etc, not nearly as good as luis but were forgiven so back our players, luis has a problem with his attitude but hopefully he will get back to scoring for us and we can move on.
Fans like you are destroying our reputation. You really consider your self a fan?
Any one who believes this is a Liverpool fan is very gullible
24 Apr 2013 07:08:59
In any other walk of life suarez would be sacked and face criminal charges-lock him up and throw the key away before he destroys our reputation
Reputation?
No Cl from 4 years. 8th position from past 3 years.
this stats make us really proud right?
23 Apr 2013 21:49:17
Ed's/Reds with the season nearly over what are your views on BR and the direction that we are going under his guidance?
My view is that Rodgers has us playing very attractive football and only need to make a couple signings to complete a squad capable of competing for the CL places.
Jamie Carragher, CB > retiring < CB required
Martin Skrtel, CB > 5-10 million < CB required
Sebastian Coates, CB > 5-10 million < Martin Kelly
Danny Wilson > out of contract < none required
Jay Spearing, CM > 2-4 million < DM required
Oussama Assaidi, LW > 5-10 million < RW required
Dani Pacheco, CF > 2-4 million < promote Joao Teixeira
Luis Suarez, CF > 30-40 million < ST required
Andy Carroll, ST > 10-20 million < promote Samed Yesil
Loan out:
Jon Flanagan, RB
Connor Coady, DM
Jonjo Shelvey, CM
Suso, AM
Adam Morgan, ST
Vilyan Bijev, ST
Michael Ngoo, ST
I thought I was logged in, this was my post originally.
Then who's going to play at RB? kelly to replace seb, then johnson is the only RB.
Wisdom and Mclaughin are both/can play RB
Wisdom and promote McLaughlin which I thought was obvious.
Scouse_Pride
23 Apr 2013 21:41:22
just watched bayern barca I noticed this tika-taka football is playing the ball around with no striker, bayern just stayed in their position and controlled the game. today barca missed big players in their team every set peace gave them trouble, a player like carroll is always good to have they needed his type today, barca get into wing positions but have nobody in the box to recieve a cross. hope br has seen that sometimes you need a plan b. malta
Andy Carroll in the barca team now you have it!
You laugh at Carroll going there, but they did always used to have someone like Gudjjonson (sp, you know, the Icelandic Chelsea guy) etc to bring on for those annoying games where they just needed something different
23 Apr 2013 21:27:31
Hi Eds,
A change of subject. Would you say that Fiorentina are the best set piece team in Europe? if so what makes them so good?
Marc {Ed002's Note - I really don't know, perhaps someone else will have an opinion.}
The more I practice the luckier I get
Gary Player
No they are not the best set piece team in Europe. They have a good crosser into the box and a few tall people who are very effective when they have to generate their own power with the head which makes them very good, but not the best
23 Apr 2013 20:39:42
Ive learnt a few things over the recent Suarez incident. Firstly ex players like Lawrenson and Souness are not helping our club at times of crisis. Suarez was wrong YES, he deserves a ban YES, but when ex players like Lawro go spouting about him deserving a HUGE ban, its just doesn't help.
The press just love our ex players having a pop at the club. and of course milk the story dry before they move on to new pastures.
Get a grip Lawro, youve shown your colours, and in the process I've lost respect for you. When ex players like Gary Neville support Suarez and understand the issues he has, surely our own ex players should either support him or just keep their gobs shut?
Tel 1949
Well said Tel 1949. $
What I can't get my head around is, a referee sees a biting incident on the field and he judges it to be a yellow card.
The FA sees a biting incident on TV which the referee supposedly missed and are going to ban a player for x amount of games.
The bitten player shows the ref his arm and tells him what happened and he still does nothing exept waves a finger at LS. Surely this referee didn't even deem it a yellow card, he may of not seen the incident but was informed of it almost straight away. Bafelling
So who is right, the two referees in question or the FA. If the FA is right they should relegate both referees to a lower division like they have done to Howard Webb.
Bobbinred
Very well said mate. Seen quite a few people undermining the obvious that he needs help. Can't quite see how our fans our more eager to get rid of him then an ex man united player. The irony
London red
Marks on the arm could have happened in any number of ways - Suarez could have been elbowed in the mouth! Unless the ref or linesman see's the incident, he cannot act ever
23 Apr 2013 20:00:14
I COME IN PEACE!
I always find those words help full when I stray on to foreign territory, but for what it's worth. I do come in peace.
I'm a GOONER (Sorry about the capitals, force of habit)
I've heard a lot of opinions about Suarez through the media TALKS##T, but if you don't want to hear shockjocks then the best place to come to is this site. I find myself drawn to a fellow MASSIVE (sorry) club that is desperate for "the good old days".
To do that in this current climate is hard, and when you have a player as good as Suarez. In an ideal world he'd be as respected throughout the World as much as Dalglish. But he isn't.
So what to do? It's a tricky one. It's funny how the longer a club goes without success, the more forgiven you find yourself. On top of that though we're talking about not just the standard of a Football club, but Liverpool Football club. I really don't envy you.
Lastly though there is hope. Players move on as do clubs. I mean how on earth do you replace the no 7 shirt after a Kevin Keegan? Only big clubs have the answer. Hope you find it.
To the class club in the North,
from the class club of the South.
Flybo
Well said, always have a soft spot for arsenal mate.
Anonymous woolback
23 Apr 2013 20:25:43
anyone watching cl semi. 6/7 years ago we were there, a match for anybody. now look at us. we need to keep suarez, 30 goal man, hope br has a good eye for players. a comanding center back and an attacking midfielder with goals are a must. does anyone think suarez incident will put off clubs putting in a bid.
B O H
I hope it puts people of mind you how could anyone's head not be turned by that amazing side beating barca 4-0
Probably by thinking 'well, they just beat Barcelona 4-0, and I'm a player that scores goals. am I moving to a place where I am massively surplus to requirement'
23 Apr 2013 20:11:37
Hi eds if Suarez contests his ban if not happy can he still play while he is waiting for his appeal to be heard? I have a feeling this could drag on. {Ed002's Note - It is not going to happen.}
23 Apr 2013 20:44:31
Liverpool and suarez will be fools to contest, infact Liverpool and Suarez will want the matter to solve as soon as possible, and will accept any punishment/ban.
The club haven't forgot last years nightmare and the damage it did to our club, contest haha are you kidding mate!
23 Apr 2013 19:27:36
Just as a contingency plan for those who, like me, are worried about what suarez's replacement could be. Not saying he will leave but there is a good chance he colud. So far I have:
Lamela
Jovetic
Muller
James rodriguez
Fischer
Eriksen
Any others you can think of?
Oh and do give a stupid replyy like 'rodgers doesn't read these pst' or 'nobody will come because we are sh*t'. Its a banter site for Liverpool fans, if you hate imagination, banter or discussion so much that you have to shoot me and others down you really shouldn't be here.
Anonymous woolback
I would go with Lamela. Bags of potential. Could be a great player in the future.
Ghandi Floss
23 Apr 2013 19:46:16
Lamela won't move in this summer
Jovetic excellent player. but probably can see in arsenal.
Muller- you kiding me. now playing in the CL semifanal and probaby playing with the best team in the world.
Y on earth will he move to us?
James rodriguez No idea. will neve match suarez
Fischer will not move
Eriksen probably to city to replace silva,
Alexis Sanchez if any, but he won't be leaving.
Jonesred
Sounds like Jovetic is more likely to be Juventus-bound than Arsenal-bound Harry. From your list I'd probably pick Muller, his movement is out of this world. People who've seen him seem to really rate Mkhitaryan from Shakhtar, he could be another to add to the list.
DP
No chance in hell of muller
Could be a great player in the future is not enough to replace suarez. jovetic is the better option than lamela, jovetic is star of the fiorentina, and surelly can fill the void that suarez left if he's really moving
23 Apr 2013 19:20:42
Why do the FA think they need to ban Suarez for more than 3 games? Looking back on the incident after a couple of days, it really wasn't that bad. It was just a weird thing to do. Its not like he took Ivanovic's arm off or something.
Hounsred
It is people like you that that give players excuses to do stupid things like that. he bit somebody and make it clear to you SECOND TIME doing it get a grip. Forever blue
Got to agree with you. Very strange thing to do, but I would rather an opponent try to gnaw my arm than inflict a 'Ryan shawcross no malice' challenge on me. I suspect Aaron Ramsey would agree with me and all the manc trolls on our site will find it hard to disagree.
23 Apr 2013 19:16:08
I don't care about Suarez to be honest, or who were going to sign anymore. I don't care about attractive football really now. I don't care about all the cash and sponsors and tours or even the bloody youth set up.
What I care about is that we are 33 points off the top and that is likely to be a lot more by the season.
I care about having a team that is competetive, screw the style at this time, we can worry about that when were champions.
I worry that our dream is to end the season in the top 4, when we use to say finishing second was nowhere.
I'm just tired and sick of it all to be honest, and I'd say I might take a break for a while, but who really thinks were going to overtake UTD in the next ten years?
H**k it i'm taking up darts.
Haha I get like this every other week. But you won't. Come Saturday you'll be cheering the boys on
23 Apr 2013 19:49:18
Good and sensible post.
Arsenal sold RVP, probably gifted UTD with the title.
If we sell suarez I am sure. BR won't replace him in 4 months and we are screwed.
Most here are happy with the small picture.
CL is what Liverpool should be playing year in year out.
To the original poster, I'm there with you - it frustrates the living hell out of me as well and to be truthfully honest I can't see it really improving anytime soon. but like the second poster said I'll be yelling (and more then likely swearing) the team on come Saturday.
One factor that does really nark me is how finishing fourth and gaining a Champions League place is now talked about with almost the same parity as winning the title. mediocrity! aim low, finish even lower.
23 Apr 2013 19:09:19
look lads we must all get behind suarez he is our future I know no player is bigger than the club but for all his faults we have to stick by him let him get his ban out the way and welcome him back with open arms don't let fergy or the FA get their way and see him driven out the club he's our only player who will get us challenging for the title let's get a few big names to add to the team and go hell for leather next season i'm telling you this with a bit of luck we can push the rest of the top teams all the way
What's the story with the flirtation with Juventus last year and the clause he insisted on in his contract that he can speak to other clubs?
You want another Torres scenario? Build a team around a core of good players not one who will leave when CL comes knocking.
23 Apr 2013 18:37:48
Comments from bayer's top dog saying sami hypias dream is to manage Liverpool. I know there is no chance of this happening this summer and I would like brendon to have a real chance to build his team. However anyone think this is a possibility in the future? I would love him to be manager if rodgers doesn't suceed.
13 reds
I'd prefer Carra but Sammi is still a legend
I'd trust hyypia over carra, carragher's mentallity is too British
carra would go for the spearing's and not the coutinho's
23 Apr 2013 18:34:17
I wonder if Suarez's name is in one of brendans 3 envelopes lol
MIKEY
Skertyl
What was the three envelope thing people talk about?
Thanks.
23 Apr 2013 18:13:36
If Suarez is to be sold who do you believe could be of interest to replace him. I saw we monitor Porto's youth by an Ed so could we look at Martinez or even Rodriguez as a replacement or would neither want to come to the club
23 Apr 2013 18:02:33
Over the whole Suarez thing, as long as he remains a Liverpool player we have to support him. What we want is the best for the club. I am now not really bothered if we sell him, not because I want us to lose such a great player, but because we can't build a team around a part time main striker. He will do his time, serve his punishment, come back fighting, continue to take the flack from other supporters, which this time he would have well and truly brought on himself. I hope if he stays he will sort himself out, and go out there and win trophies like a player of his calibre deserves to. I just hope if he leaves it's not for another team in the prem.
23 Apr 2013 17:56:47
I think we've gotten way less credit than we deserve this season. People forget that until the arrival of Sturridge we had to cope playing without a striker.
Suarez is not and will never be a striker.
Suarez himself deserves enormous credit. 30 goals for an attacking midfielder is just phenomenal. How many a/m have done that in recent seasons, never mind this?
This is the youngest and most inexperienced Liverpool side in years.
So just give Brendan a break.
We've had a more than decent season.
jara
More of a second striker than an attacking mid but yeah he's done very well considering he's done most of it himself.
MIKEY
Attacking midfielder? Clearly he's proven he's a striker. One who plays better off a main striker, but still a striker!
The lines between a second striker and an attacking midfielder are so blurred it really makes no difference
23 Apr 2013 17:55:04
We have 3 world class players, Reina Gerrard and Suarez. If Suarez is sold then we are left with 2. Reina who hasn't had a great season but is still world class and Gerrard who is in the twilight of his career. Now tell me what world class player will join us in the summer? Average to good players in the team No Champions League No Europa League No money to pay world class players. We will be linked with every class player who is available in the summer, we will all get our hopes up but they will reject us and we will end up competing with the likes of newcastle Villa Everton etc for average players at inflated prices. FSG said that they will compete to buy top players and so far they have not, we have competed and paid top money for good/average players. The other teams above us will get even better players and we will end up in the same position next year. Without a major funding in transfers for top players we will never get into the top 4 again. Yes it sounds all doom and gloom but its realistic in view of our current situation. MrT
I totally agree. (would of just hit the agree button had there been one)
Crowman.
We have 1 world class player (suarez) and 1 legend in Stevie whos deteriorating each season. Everton have a better squad than us. We have some great kids like Coutinho and Sterling but our squad is so poor it's embarrassing at times. Downing, Skrtel, Coates, Lucas, Borini, Shelvey, Henderson. With players like these you don't get top 4
I would add Agger to that list and possibly Johnson despite a poor season for him, but otherwise I agree, however money talks and if we offer top players a very good wage they would come despite CL.
Red Lee
Sorry OP, but we have only one world class player and that's Suarez. Unfortunately, Reina isn't even the best keeper in the PL, so how can he be world class? Steven Gerrard is no longer a world class player, he is a shadow of that former player i'm afraid. Legend yes, world class now, no way!
Previous managers have spent silly money at your club. You only have poor management to blame. If you look at the amount of money you have spent over the paPrevious managers have spent silly money at your club. You only have poor management to blame and ownership to blame. If you look at the amount of money you have spent over the past 5 seasons it is a staggering 270 mil, or there abouts. Liverpool have thrown money at the club and have not reaped any benefits. No wonder your current owners are worried about spending money on players.
Compare this to what spurs have spent which is around 207 mil and then what Arsenal have spent around 150 mil and Man United have spent again around 184 mil. They have all spent less than Liverpool and are in the CL.
Or look at this way, this season you have spent 48.8 mil on players.
Manu spent about the same. something ain't right.
TA
The above is the past 5 seasons spend btw
23 Apr 2013 17:39:06
Am I the only one who thinks that Suarez should only get a 3 match ban? I know he will get more than that but I think 3 is more than enough
James
23 Apr 2013 17:58:15
I don't think the offense itself was worth more than a yellow, maybe red card. He didn't seem to hurt Ivanovic, just did something really stupid! If it wasn't Suarez and the ref hadn't seen, and it had been a stamp, it would more than likely be a 3 match ban. I'm more bothered that he has dragged his, and the club's name through the mud yet again, but he can't be punished by the FA for that! However, I do think the FA will throw the book at him, considering his previous, which in one way isn't really fair, but he needs to learn that he can't keep doing these things. I'd rather the club give him the ban, and the FA stay out of it. But that's not going to happen.
Super
23 Apr 2013 17:23:49
forgot to ask on my last post sorry to harrasd the eds vut with impending changes at man city what's milners future quality player whom we have had previous intwrest in thanks eds good luck for the summer this aite is always booming {Ed002's Note - I know nothing of interest from Liverpool in Milner at this time.}
23 Apr 2013 17:07:09
Liverpool are actively looking to offload Coates, Assaildi, Shelvey, Carroll, Spearing and Skrtel. The only two definite targets I have heard of are Christian Eriksenn and Adil Rami.
23 Apr 2013 16:52:00
not a Liverpool rumour but Cavani is off to PSG 100%
23 Apr 2013 16:51:22
gotta love the default setting of Liverpool fans. 'If any1 talks about the Suarez incident/incidents just bring up cantona and or Keane, throw in some conspiracy by the media and top it off with Howard Webb' Its a pleasure to watch you lot squirm at the prospect of Luis leaving. long may your decline continue
Perth!
You forgot fergie time! How could you forget that! Suarez is a plonker for what he did but we stand by our players 100%
Ack17
Does your small club not have its own rumour site. too small I expect.
Gotta love the default setting of a United fan. Still obsessed despite us being well and truly knocked off our 'perch' (domestically).
23 Apr 2013 17:53:29
This is true, although if united supporters continued to support Keane and Cantona after their acts of brutality, then they are really in no position to condemn LFC's support of Suarez. However if this goes both ways, us LFC supporters are in no position to condemn Keane and Cantona either.
Also, sorry to dissapoint you, but LFC are no longer in decline. We have a few years to go before beating your record - 26 years without an EPL title.
If we are such a rubbish team, i'm surprised you guys are even bothered about us, I find it sad, you guys have just won your 20th title, albeit with 3 offside goals, you really should be too busy celebrating to come over here and mock such an awful team that you in no way feel threatened by.
I'm a bit bored, maybe i'll head over to a Plymouth Argyle forum and mock them a bit.
Super
Good to see its not just the players of LFC that bite. Enjoy the rest of the week, believers
Perth!
Well said super
Ack17
Perth. if you love this site so much, convert, and support the most successful British Team in Europe!
Have the school holidays finished yet Perth?. now run along there
Tel 1949
It's funny, but everyone still refers to it as Liverpool's perch. So keep it warm for us, we'll be back.
23 Apr 2013 16:42:14
Guyz selling Suarez is not the Answer, we need to deal with him and that's Rodgers Responsibility same as Ferguson deal with cantona, he is too good a player for us a this moment, Gerrard will retire in 2-3 years and Suarez will be the face of Liverpool as their are no players in the team who are same level or talanted as Suarez, and he is our key to success.
We are a football club any decision needs to be made interms of football rather then of-field and he is too good a player for us, at the end of the day we need to see his negetivity or his goals which are more important to us.
23 Apr 2013 16:16:48
the following players are likely to come availavle for the fairly low prices do you see Liverpool moving for any of them, remy tarrabt huddleston adebayor sinclair. and I am starting to lose patience with lucas' inavblity to stop someone gliding passed him with ease without fouling them has there been any interest in him from elsewhere
The problem with Lucas is he is not a defensive midfielder, and we are making a mistake by continuing to play him there. Hodgson was the one who first played him there, after we lost Mascherano and it became apparent Poulsen wasn't actually a footballer, so Lucas was all we had left to play there. Unfortunately neither KK nor, so far, BR have sought to remedy the situation. Lucas should be playing off a defensive midfielder, shuttling between DM and AM, but then Rodgers went and bought Allen to do that so my hopes of seeing a new DM come in aren't high- especially considering Lucas' new contract. I agree that we will continue to see our midfield torn to shreds by any team with a bit of strength in midfield until we change this.
DP
Adebayor and Sinclair really?
If he is not a DM, he is def not skilful enough to be an AM who scores goals. That leaves a box to box type like Hendo or Stevie and whilst he has a good engine he is not pacy enough to get from box to box in time. I actually don't think his control and passing is good enough for the Xavi role either. So where does that leave him?
I don't think he's any of those options really, he's essentially the same type of player as Allen but with a more defensive slant- a shuttler. I think Rodgers intended to replicate his Britton/Allen midfield at Liverpool, with Lucas acting as his Britton. That system is OK in midtable but it's difficult to be really successful without a proper anchor man in midfield, as all the top teams show- Utd have Carrick, City have Yaya/Javi Garcia, Chelsea have Mikel, Barca have Busquets, Madrid have Khedira and so on
DP
I have doubts about the quality of lucas. I don't feel he does the job people say he does. When it comes to people not doing a job well enough, I would say that henderson, downing and lucas are candidates.
Anonymous woolback
Maybe you are all forgetting how well he performed as a defensive mid. He was the best tackler in the league before his injury. I think by next season he'll be back to normal.
To be honest I don't think Lucas ever was any more than 'quite good' as a DM. That's not to criticise him too much as I do think he's a good footballer, I just think we'd be better off with a more natural DM. Lucas is a good tackler but the most important attribute of a DM is positioning, and Lucas is poor in that department because he's a ball chaser, so he runs all over the place trying to close down, leaving a gaping hole in the centre for the opposition to exploit. As I say, it's not an attack on Lucas, I just think he needs to take up a new role in the team and have someone else take over as DM.
DP
23 Apr 2013 16:14:09
Ahoy - Well that's the season over last night with a fitting finale. A rollercoaster ride full of twists and turns, controversial stories and performances. Its only fair that I offer huge congratulations.
to all the cast and crew of Broadchurch.
BOILED ONIONS
23 apr 2013 15:58:51
suarez will be sold this summer, lfc have stated he will not, but will accept offers over 40 mill. if they had stated he would be sold then he would have gone for a pittance as everybody knows the reason and offered nothing as to his true worth. kls
We need cash to waste on more might be players so suarez may be moved on along with several others hopefully sterling, shelvey, henderson, downing, carroll and any other overated player we need people to do things now not in a few years time we do not need a big squad of ordinary players.
23 Apr 2013 15:05:01
Suarez to get a 7 match ban
I expect the FA to follow the Dutch FA as an example.
If he was to leave I think we should replace him with;
Remy, Eriksen, Alonso and Gameiro.
The £40million that we would get for him could cover all these signings. {Ed002's Note - If he gets a 7 game ban it will not be because of teh Dutch, it will be because he had an eight game ban reduced by one for not contesting the charge.}
Interest in eriksen has been switched to elsewhere for some reason.
I suspect he wasn't interested.
Its alonso
23 Apr 2013 14:51:37
Hello I think this two vitesse player have a good season. First is wilfried bony (24) 30 goals and 6 assists from 27 apps position striker. Second, Marco van Ginkel (20) 7 goals and 10 assists from 30 position central midfielder.
23 Apr 2013 14:31:19
Right, what Suarez did was unacceptable and doesn't belong on a football pitch. However we (LFC fans) should not join in with the majority of people and call for Suarez' head, instead we should realise that it was unacceptable and it shouldn't happen but support the best talent we've seen at Liverpool for many years!
In summary I'm saying that we need Suarez and Suarez needs us also!
From listening to some media reports they are painting Liverpool fans as if they are denial or defending what it indefensibe. Maybe this is media attempts to do the 'never accept the blame' stuff but some Reds just play right into their hands, excusing his behaviour - their naivety is shocking.
Condemn the actions but not the player - its easy. don't bother making comparisons with others as the hypocrisy is so obvious we just look desperate to defend him when we use it.
We will support our team, we will support Suarez but we don't have to be blind to his faults nor do we have to call for him to be sold. He gave us adverse publicity on what should have been a celebration of all this is good about our club, our fans and our city. Anne Williams (Liverpool's Iron Lady), the welcome for Rafa and Yossi, some good football etc. He has lost the chance to be the Golden Boot or win the Player of the Year Award. He could still cost us points and the chance of a higher finish or Europa League. But he is a fanatstic talent and plays with heart and soul (but not always with his head).
Scousehouse
23 Apr 2013 14:14:42
With suarez about to be banned, it's a great chance for sturridge to take centre stage for the rest of the season. He's a young man with bags of ability I'm sure with a full preseason behind him he'll be a major asset to us next season.
Right there! That is the best post I have seen regarding this whole mess all week! What saurez done was absolutely stupid and he should be banned for many games up to 9.
But what it has done is allowed your team the chance to play your other players and get them more used to playing without him and relying on him!
Chris the REDman
Yuck being nice to a Liverpool fan!
Chris the redman go back to your own site we don't want or need any manc coming on our site trying to be the devils advocate after all look what some of your players have done over the years trying to make out you mancs are cleaner than clean when your not so sod off
So u disagree with? I wasnt playing devils advocate at all la! Just pointing out amongst all this tripe your posting about saurez, which is wrong, there seems to be 1 person who thinks with sense. Wait now I understand why ure a pool fan no name! U have none
Chris the REDman
23 Apr 2013 13:54:56
I suppose with us being 2 behind now, I am a little down but I have waited so long, I reminisce of glory days long ago and cannot fathom how we have fallen so far down the pecking order. The Anfield faithful feel this as well, this can be the only reason why it is so quite all the time. The further away we are from CL places, the harder agents will need to be convinced to get their clients to play for us. We don't pay top wages for sensible reasons but we need 100m+ of talent as our squad is average will a hint of potential.
The solution unfortunately is money. Money that is not debt & is more likely never to be repaid. Alternatively a Manager that is able to get above average results with an average player. Those managers are very few & far between. Mourinho would never come without a transfer kitty & the likes of Fergie will never be seen again.
I am confident though that we should be better than we currently are. The most annoying thing about this Suarez affair is it distracts from the real issue which is judgement of the BR in his first season in charge. We are 33 points of UTD, 11 points from 4th, we have won less than 50% of home games. The style of play is pleasing on the eye but slow and one dimensional. Opposition teams have worked this out so we struggle against mid to lower level teams. I have lost count at the number of times major tactical changes needed to take place to pull a game back. I often wonder where we would be with the same squad but with another Manager like AVB or Laudrup for example or the same Manager but with a stronger squad. All I know is I am still not won over by BR's first season nor do I want a change again. But I do think that if we are out of contention by Dec, he should go.
Very sensible post. Well said as I totally agree
23 Apr 2013 13:12:04
Why I love Luis.
Well let's start by clearly stating the fact that he's the best striker Liverpool have had in a decade, and he deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as fowler ( on skill alone)
Secondly he's box to box, he actually cares about the outcome on the pitch
Thirdly he's batsh$t crazy, I mean totally and utterly nuts, and I love that about him. He's likes ballotelli cranked up to 10 but with actual end product, but let's not forget that he comes from a very poor and unenlightened background and that many of his "Crazy" beliefs are actually only indicatitive of the neighbourhoods he was raised in, he's not a particle physcisist, he's a tough footballer from an improversihed background, and he probably needed to be a little crazy to get by.
Fourthly he's never injured, he's a tank, ok he dives sometimes, but equally he gets kicked to death and 95 times out of a hundred he doesn't react, but when he does, wow you know about it.
Fifthly he's so entertaining, he's pure theatre, I just love watching him play, complain, cajole, joke, he's worth watching the game for on his own
Lastly, he is the best player in his position that Liverpool can hope to attract at the minute, there is an arguement for him as the best striker in the world ( depending on how you class messi and ronaldo) but even if you count them as strikers he's still in the top 5 by anyones reckoning, Liverpool can't attract players of that calibre anymore. So don't wish him gone or who knows what you will end up wIth ( probably a front 3 of sturridge borini and either loric remy or benteke ( shudder)
Also stop yakking about damaging our clubs reputation its nonsense, only you guys on here care about it, when was the last time a mate of yours who supports another team jibed you by starting with " Hey mate your clubs reputation is really suffering internationally" c'mon its nonsense
Lets get behind big daft luis, get him the help he needs. , give hima proper boll7king, fine him and get him ready for next season, because if we don't next year will be even worse!
Fourthy
Suarez is flawed mate!
He is a pariah not a quirky eccentric get this right.
The latter we can quite cheerfully put up with at Liverpool Football Club.
The former has and will drag/dragged this honorable Club into a mire of disrespect and disrepute.
UpperParlyCarly
Nonsense, Torres in his prime was the complete striker. Easily a better striker than Suarez. If I had the choice of buying a 21 year old Torres and buying a 21 year old Suarez, I know who I would prefer. Torres was unplayable.
Disney!
Well there u have it! A perfectly balanced argument! Saurez only goes round biting people because of his impoverished backround! Now it makes sence, the poor multi millionaire footballer doesn't know when his next meal will come from!
U realise all this defending of his acts just teaches him his actions are fine! Wot really makes me laugh is when he is sold all these defenders will be the first to turn around and say ''well i'm happy he is gone, he was to much baggage'' thought Ed002 might of put u right last night but obviously not!
Chris the REDman
Yeah neither are 21 mate suarez has more about him than torres and yes he is flawed but Roy Keane broke another players leg on purpose united stood by him Eric Cantona kicked a fan in the head United stood by him there rep is solid so let's keep luis happy he is a super star
Torres as a 21 year old was scoring just over 1 in 3 goals for Athletico. The fact is he has had only 3 1/2 good seasons all at Liverpool. Suarez on the other hand as a 21 year old was scoring 82 goals in 110 games at Ajax and still scoring 1 in 2 for Liverpool. I think you're wrong Disney but you usually are.
The Irisg Rover
"but Roy Keane broke another players leg on purpose"
And which player might that be? Because if you mean Haaland, he didn't break his leg. Come on people, have a dig if you must but atleast do it with factually correct information.
TK-Red
Irisg, I meant a young Suarez or Torres, not necessarily 21. I think both were/are top players, but I think Torres in his prime was unplayable. Suarez is more versatile no doubt, but as a striker I would choose Torres everytime. Before his early decline of course. Liverpool have an habit of ruining player's careers through burnout.
Disney!
Torres in his prime everyday.
Disney LEE SHARPE ring a bell
23 Apr 2013 13:00:59
alot of talk of a 10 match ban for Suarez.
The FA gave him a 7 match ban for alledged Racism.
Surely the FA don't put this incident above Racism. If so I think it will cause another storm for the FA.
I hope Suarez repays LFC for standing by him over the two embarrassing episodes.
Decent point
23 Apr 2013 12:45:33
Fighting relegation without Suarez? Why?
He is the focal point of our attack, and all our best chances fall to him. In 187 shots he has scored 30. that's a 1 in 6 goal to shot ratio. I played as a striker as a kid, and my dad used to count the amount of shots I had. If I had a worse ratio than 1 in 3, he'd tell me I had been too wasteful and therefore played badly. I scored 37 goals in 14 games that season and had a ratio of 1 in 3 virtually every game, sometimes better. I know the Prem is a way higher level, but it should translate as Suarez is on a way higher level than me! Suarez wastes way too many chances, and takes shots he shouldn't when a better pass was on. Yes he has 30 goals, but if we'd had a different player upfront, getting the service Suarez has, they'd probably have 20 easily, and other members of our team would likely have more goal due to recieving more of the ball. Everything goes through Suarez. Just one game, actually count the amount of attacks that break down because of him, then count the amount of shots he takes, then count the goals and assists he gets. In my opinion, Suarez is rarely clinical enough to play as the centre forward. Hence why Uruguay and Ajax used him out wide. He wastes chances all the time.
He is a world class player, and created his own goals too, and I'd love him to stay, but I want him on the right side of a front 3 where he plays for Uruguay. I'm fed up of drawing games because Suarez fluffed 5 shots (Zenit away, West Ham and Reading etc). Without him, we'd probably be in the exact same position, but with our reputation intact. To be 100% honest, I'd be happy if he stayed (as long as he went wide right and took psycology classes) but I'd also be happy if he was sold (as long as we got £50m for him and used it properly).
People need to cut out the "but Suarez saved us from relegation!". No. We built our team around him and made him look good, not the other way round.
YNWA! (Adam)
P. S. I know I wrote virtually the same thing yesterday, but if people are going to carry on making their foolish, uneducated points about where we'd be without Suarez, I'm going to keep making my point in the rest of the teams defence.
23 Apr 2013 14:42:55
Adam,
with all respect to you and your post. this is one of your best blunders ever.
leave aside the goal ratio and stats. on the pitch. when you are hit with pressure. only world class player. Yes I mean world class players can score 30+goals a season.
23 Apr 2013 14:44:45
probably joe allen and hendersonn would supply and borini would scored 30 goals a season.
get a grip mate. without him and his goals and his assist steven gerrard would ahve been retired and we would have been in bottom 5.
simple as that.
he made countinho look good. he made sterling lok good. he even made sturridge looks marvelous
So, let me get this right, what you are saying is that Suarez is a great player but is played out of position, misses too many chances, and that many other players would score the same amount of goals given the supply from our midfielders?
I think you give too much credit to the other players.
Be prepared for much criticism lad.
DaveyBootle
23 Apr 2013 12:43:39
since you have a login system now. would't it be nice if I had tab to see my own posts?
sometimes you ask a question, you give your opinion and want to know what some user think about it. if you don't come and check on the same day, it is a bit difficult to find. especially when you are not sure that your comments are posted at all. {Ed001's Note - I will see what is possible with that for you mate, that does sound like a good idea though.}
Ed001, do you guys have the resources to make the site even more attractive than it is now?
For example, can we give ratings for posters who have got more agrees, number of posts etc? That would mean a highly rated poster would be good contributor to the site unlike some people who just post drivel. Then other posters would know who is reliable, who is a dud and so on.
I know it's probably a lot of work, but I think it would make the site absolutely one of the best in the World!
The real AG {Ed002's Note - No, we will not be doing that.}
Just do Ctrl+F and type in your name, it'll jump straight to them
Just type your name into the search box. That seems to work.
but only for your own posts, not for replys to other peoples.
If you could sort that out ed001 it would be perfect.
MIKEY
23 Apr 2013 12:43:19
If Suarez go's in the summer (I think he will) we will find another replacement, no player bigger than the club remember.
Lee73
23 Apr 2013 14:47:01
If Suarez go's in the summer (I think he will) we will find another replacement, no player bigger than the club remember.
we said this slogan 4 years back when we sold alonos, masherano and torres.
out of 3 we only got suarez. rest two are still not replaced even after spending over 100 mill.
dude. no matter what happens. some plaers are simple execptional. you don't find another messi on the planet.
and barca won't let him go and say " no player is better than barca. "
23 Apr 2013 14:49:05
Arsenal said the same when RVP went to UTD.
I am sure you know the rest.
23 Apr 2013 12:24:43
The FA couldn't possibly give a long ban to Suarez for this biting incident could they? Imagine he got 8 games, it would be shocking if the give the same punishment as racism! They need to be very considerate and put this into perspective! Imagine the outcry if racism was thought of as biting! Which is much worse? He should get 4 games max, let common sense prevail
Brilliant post at least someone with a brain only problem with this is the fa havnt so hell prob get a nine game ban
23 Apr 2013 12:09:16
It makes me laugh that some so called Liverpool fans on here saying sell suarez, Guys I can tell you now your all see through, Stop acting like your all high and mighy if it came on the news that Liverpool had accepted a bid for suarez you would all sh*t yourselfs FACT. It dosnt matter how much we get for him 100mil = no thank you there are only about 6/7 players who we could buy with that money to replace him and NONE of them would join us without CL and esp without quality like suarez to play with so enough of your garbage lads suarez goes LFC might aswell do a rangers and start all over again!
Weird. We had a few successful years before he came along. I'd take 100m for Messi if we owned him.
cozinoz
HPH:
LFC fans saying that they want Suarez sold can only have positive consequences in the long run,
#1 Your club in general will get sympathy from all those who report on these matters.
#2 LS will take a longer look in the mirror at the image he himself created, which he obviously has a greater need to at this time.
#3 It gives BR (plus team mates )and his staff the justification to apply the firmness required.
Blue247 :)
You would sell Messi for £10 million more than Utd sold Ronaldo to Madrid? Really?
So gerrard or lucas goes in for a bad tackle and the player gets hurt and the ref doesn't see it and the FA take retrospective action should we sell them or anyother LFC player for that mater should so called LFC fans scream for them to get shut off any of them Louis the lad has done wrong he knows he has done wrong the club no he has done wrong we know he has done wrong but let the persons in the FA deal with it get it out the way get the lad help to solve his anger problems and let him get on with his career at LFC PS every top team in EPL would love us to let him leave we would all be very sorry and they would love it kepp Louis a Liverpool player for years to come
23 Apr 2013 12:00:31
Eds although I kind athink suarez should go for all his nonsense it doesn't make sense since he we would be fighting relegation without him this season, would we even have a chance of getting a player like him if he was sold, cavani, etc
23 Apr 2013 12:46:19
Cavani won't join Liverpool
23 Apr 2013 11:48:48
Suarez is our Britney Spears and all of them tv hogging people. Good on you mate. Just try less hectic stuff.
Man U just won he league, no big deal Suarez bit some guy.
Besides athi drama, all I want for next year is to win the league forget everything else, buy players that will make us solid, consistent, get BR some help at times I feel he needs it, get Suarez "Jesus" and a striking partner of his level, to share attention.
P. S. There is no such thing as bad press.
But there is such thing as a bad post and ures proves it
Chris the REDman
23 Apr 2013 11:41:01
My view is Suarez is a nutter, I never know what's going on in his head, but then again so do most defenders. I wish he would lose his mind during games but he does. Sell him oh God no. I love he can just wind up red nose by just being in England.
I do think we need more cover for Suarez someone to take some attention away from Suarez because i'm not expecting to change anytime soon. Its a street football type of thing, I've beaten my fair share of ppl, but i'm probably a nice guy that suarez. its just frustration. So BR go get Soldado, Chachacha or Sanchez, someone with a name, goals and physicality a proper foil for Suarez it will reduce all this angst. It won't disappear totally, and I love Suarez for that. I would hate his guts if he was a Man U and i'm sure he would get away with more stuff there.
23 Apr 2013 11:07:35
hey lfc fans
what are sturridges 2 best games?
man city and against chelsea
i wonder why.
and I distinctly remember some fans hear getting annoyed with some of his displays against the other teams.
i wonder how he fairs in the next four games because I hope he plays like he HAS STH TO PROOVE AGAINST EVERY TEAM. and not just against his former ones.
red lobster
United was probably his best game. He was quality against Swansea as well. What was he proving there?
Samsams right. He's a little inconsistent yes but he has only been at the club a few months. He's still young and not fully settled at Liverpool yet.
MIKEY
23 Apr 2013 11:06:52
Is anyone else surprised that ever since the Suarez incident, we've hardly been linked with anybody since then. Could it be that journalists have found something else to write about LFC rather than making stuffs up. Used to be peeved when the EDs say we have shown no interest on certain players despite rumours of interest.
23 Apr 2013 10:59:17
So Mario Gotze off to Dortmund then? Interesting. How many saw that one coming?
I think it's safe to say to that this going to be a summer of surprises and shocks no end. So called 'itks' will be left well red-faced.
Though I wouldn't hold my breath over it, I could see ourselves pulling a surprise or two this summer.
Who saw the most or 2nd most admired young German player in the league going to the biggest German club now with the exciting new manager that will be spending big this summer with a team shake-up? Many many people.
Your right who could have predicted that dortmund would set a transfer record resigning a player that all ready plays for them
Mario Gotze already plays for Dortmund.
The real AG
I think you meant Munich but yea, it is a bit of shock. German leagues are getting so much better that young players want to stay there and not travel to England. Same with English player, it used to be best league and lot of players didn't want to travel to other countries.
Not to mention that International Managers tend to be more keen on players in the national league - probably because it's easier to see them play more regularly
It was either bayern, psg or man utd
23 Apr 2013 10:47:17
Hi all, Just reading in the Daily Mail that we are linked with 8m bid for Loic Remy. I personally would snap him up. He has 5 in 9 appearances for a poor QPR, and has been top scorer in all his first team seasons with Marseille. I'd also be looking to secure Adel TAARABT. I know he can drift out of games, but on his day he is as good as anyone. I think a forward choice of Suarez, Sturridge, Remy, Coutinho, Taarabt, Sterling would be good enough for a top 4 challenge, and we can then concentrate on the defense / DM without having spent anything, as I think selling CARROLL and DOWNING would cover the costs of the 2 above. Just a thought!
Yeah Taarabt, just what we need, another luxury player who disappears for long periods - have a word with yourself.
SMc
23 Apr 2013 12:48:40
But Loic remy would be an excellent buy on the right side. provided we play downing there.
Liverpool fans don't read the daily mail mate.
MIKEY {Ed002's Note - Will they watch Carragher on Sky?}
I won't because I don't have Sky
SMc
23 Apr 2013 10:29:08
"I thought he meant it when he said sorry. I think he wants to win so badly that he loses his mind sometimes but afterwards he comes to his senses.
Bakkal. Former PSV PLayer
23 Apr 2013 10:27:21
a person (although it does talk some nonsense at times) was spot on, on the Suarez incident. He actions were indefencable but he's got his club fine, a ban from the FA and will soon find out the length of his match ban so instead of going on an on about how he's a disgrace and being called numerous other things by the media, why not stop and realise he needs our help more than anything else?
I completely agree. I think he needs our help. Counselling etc. This has been done to death. He was wrong, has/will be punished - Let's move on.
23 Apr 2013 09:54:12
all this crap about the damage to the clubs rep is a joke there is no such thing as bed press what did real madrid do when pepe had a brake down and beat up 2 players getting a 13 game ban and this is real pepe is a average def at the best of times aswell luis is the best the lad is mad but with help and time no one will remember this like to say thanks to ivan for not making this worse
Oh yeah just like these people who get 5 years in prison rather than 3 years. They never affend again do they. Wake up mate
It does damage a clubs Rep when it has continuously been dented and has continuously defended the player.
Regardless of club stature, Hicks and Gillette tarnished the clubs reputation, as did the racism row and now this (regardless of it being right or wrong).
The media don't help though, but many people are hypocrites for both buying and believing the nonsense they spew.
I said it yesterday and will say it again; the club is still on it's knees yet is being booted back down by incidents of this nature.
I don't agree with the commotion the incident has caused, and I certainly despise the papers and sky alike, but one easy solution is not to give them anything. Unfortunately, whether or not we agree or disagree, our star-man continues to feed the media frenzy.
I suspect the owners have appointed our manager for a number of reasons, one being how media savvy he is, and I'm sure incidents like this are a hindrance to their long-term objectives.
DaveyBootle
I don't think incidents like these have much bearing on the clubs (and owners) long term objectives. It gives the club a bad press for a few weeks but ultimately this is small fry, the ramifications and impact of this story will fade within weeks - the impact of not getting European football will last much, much longer.
Keeping Suarez in spite of his wild, unacceptable (at times) behaviour will do more to further our aims of Champions League football than if we sell him off. We're not in a position were, even if Suarez goes for good money, we have enough of a draw as a club to buy a replacement of equal quality.
Like it or not our immediate future and our potential success is reliant on Suarez staying at the club - if he goes where do you think we'll finish next season? If he goes where do we go?
SMc
23 Apr 2013 09:54:12
Suarez should be banned for 20 games. Hopefully that will mean he won't do it again. Simple as that.
What a ridiculous suggestion. Banning him won't stop it, he needs the psychological help that is being offered. He was banned before and still did it again. I presume this poster is a manc or a cockney. Other teams just want rid because he is Liverpools World Class player.
20? I smell a troll
Care to explain why its simple as that lad
23 Apr 2013 09:47:19
Allegedly there was an incident at half time in the tunnel between Ivanovic and Suarez where they had to be separated. This was, allegedly again, because Ivanovic had accused Suarez or elbowing him during the first half. (Daily Mail via tv gossip website (and I would never normally read the Mail)).
This takes a certain element of mystery out of the potential cause of the bite. It was frustration and retribution for the earlier incident – perhaps.
Whilst I can now understand why (but only slightly) the motivation – and therefore can reach the conclusion that Luis is not just plain psychotic, I cannot understand for one moment why he thought he would get away with it in front of 20 odd TV cameras – I’m afraid that is just plain stupidity.
It is not the first stupid thing he has done.
His actions have probably denied him the Golden Boot, would probably get him disqualified from PFA Player of the Year (which even if he had won would have been withdrawn) and will certainly disqualify him from any future chance of Player of the Year as no other professional is likely to vote for him in the future.
Also, his actions overshadowed what was a very poignant and important day in terms of the 96 and Anne Williams. The respect shown and the impeccable behaviour and dignity in all involved has been completely forgotten. You couldn’t probably pick any worse timing for such an incident.
Furthermore, it brings the clubs name into disrepute – again. I love Liverpool with all my heart and am saddened that others will think less of our club. It is particularly remarkable that one individual has been responsible for such recent controversy.
I am very agnostic on how I feel right now about Luis. I am in awe of his skill (and sometimes frustrated by it too) and think that we would miss him terribly from a footballing point of view.
However, I am terrified that he will continue to garner bad publicity and tarnish our reputation.
I hope for the following: that he thinks, reforms and does enormous good in the community and becomes the model sportsman – not diving, showing respect to officialdom, showing respect (but competitively) to other players – and becomes admired and renowned for his football.
Problem is, he hasn’t learned anything, it seems, from previous incidents. You’d have thought an action that saw him play his last football in the Dutch league would never be repeated. But it was.
I am sorry to say this but I think that he will bring further disgrace to our club.
"I cannot understand for one moment why he thought he would get away with it"
He didn't think, it was the red mist, that's the point. This wasn't some pre-meditated thought process of "I'm going to bite Ivanovic when I get the chance" - I doubt very much that the incident at half time, if there even was one, contributed to the bite. He'd conceded a stupid penalty minutes before, you could see him berating himself, he'd had a few heavy touches and then him and Ivanovic were niggling at each other. the red mist descends.
I'm offering no excuses for his actions but the suggestion that it was something even entertained in Suarez's mind beforehand is daft - he didn't think anything, it just happened almost instinctively and then afterwards he's realised the stupidity of his actions. It looks awful and the club will have a few rough weeks but it needs proper contextualisation - it was a culmination of frustration and anger, not malice and spite as many in the media would have you believe.
SMc
p. s. why do all ex-players, with the exception of Alan Hansen, give Liverpool a going over whenever anything like this happens? Even Gary Neville, of all people, gave a more balanced critique of the situation than Souness and Redknapp.
Martin, he wasn't going to win player of the year! Bale has won all three!
23 Apr 2013 08:32:16
here is my view having read a lot on here
Suarez is an unbelievable player and I love to watch him play he does however have problems.
anger management - I don't know if it is his anger so not sure this would help however some psychological assistance is needed.
the ban should be till the end of the season - take him out of the spotlight until august, let the thing blow over as it should - he hasn't killed anyone, ruined their career with a terrible tackle or the like - and it will be put to bed, if the ban continues to next season it will only raise the discussion again in August as to why he is not in the starting line up and the media frenzy will start again.
I personally believe that Suarez is a hate figure for other clubs because of his skill, how many of us hated Cantona, not cause of his actions but because he was a skill player playing for "them". The media as we know do not like LFC and any chance they have will rip our club to pieces (sometimes we don't help ourselves) I think that they are so far away from the truth that they will make s**t up or raise the issue so far out of proportion because a) they don't like us b) they have no source at the club c)LFC no longer trust the media in this country that we limit what comes out of the club d) Suarez is an easy target - has a history of doing the non-british thing, handball world cup (win at all costs) in the last minute, biting in holland, diving etc
to summarise ban him till the end of the season and move on and that is everyone the club, the media and the man
A 5 year old boy bit another in my sons school yesterday. Said he was doing a Suarez is this what your club you want your club linked too.
JabEFC
Arsenal fan hear, mate that is total rubbish and full of contradictions, whatever ban saurez recieves be it 3 to 10 games, that is the punishment deemed appropriate and not to suit Liverpool, media is the media and news is news, should the media not report the news for fear of offending lfc supporters, I think not!, Liverpool has got off quite lightly this season (considering the money spent and where you will finish in the league)my club arsenal and our manager gets slaughtered by the press and especially by talk sh4te, god forbid if we don't qualify for the CL, it will be a full on media frenzy, and we basically havnt spent any money (net spend)chelsea are another club that get it regularly in the neck by the press, so stop with the everyones against us rubbish you get of very lightly. there is a differance between cantona and saurez, most neutral supporters dislike saurez where, as cantona wasnt disliked, in fact I grudgingly along with others quite admired him admired him, cool was the word to decribe cantona, unfortunatly rat is the word to describe saurez. if you don't want lfc to be in the media then don't court controversy, don't take sky, s money, pull out of the prem, play invitational matches behind closed doors, ban the press from reporting on the match, you won't have any sponsers to worry about then either apart from the local kabab shop "because no media coverage means no sponcers"you might as well go the whole hog and build a 100ft wall around anfield with armed gaurds to keep un-disirables out, Liverpool for real liverpudlians "a closed shop"perfect!
trev the gooner
Spot on! Graf2296
Being pragmatic about this most serious incident is, perhaps rational and logical.
However a minimum of 8 matches banned, anger management and officially listed on the habitus morsus register would be surely thought of as a given in this case due to him being handed out a 7 match ban (Dutch league) and driven away from from their shores!
If this guy is ever going to keep his teeth in check (apart from a muzzle) this is the only way.
Just sayin like:)
Blue247
Didnt happen JabEFC, so why say it? {Ed001's Note - more to the point, if you can't teach a kid by the age of 5 not to copy a footballer, then what kind of parent are you? Otherwise the streets would be awash with phlegm, as you never see a camera shot of a player who isn't gobbing!}
JabEFC, you are a liar and a queen.
Do one.
DaveyBootle
Ahoy - Jab Suarez bit another player whilst playing for Liverpool, and yes it is awful.
At your sons school if the 5 year old boy had headbutted someone would it have been called "Doing a Duncan" and would you want your club linked to this kind of behaviour.
Very simply deal with the individual, and move on.
Football is regularly told to align itself with Rugby Union for discipline and behaviour, spend 5 minutes of your day looking into it and you will see it is yet another convenient media hyped message - with a number of Internationals biting opponents.
Its not about allegiances its about disgusting abhorrent human behaviour in full public view, and seeing Mr Evra with his hilarious severed hand jape last night made me think, that if Karma had been working the wrongly accused Chelsea groundsman would have whacked him with a spade to complete the circle.
BOILED ONIONS
JabEFC,
suarez ain't what the reds are and he never will be and I hope we sell him he's disgusting: (
Livvybird
23 Apr 2013 11:06:38
Ohh really.
My cousine everytime I watch TV. he change the channel to History channel and says. This is especially for you.
get a grip and move on mate.
the incident is over and he will serve the ban and wil come and hit another 30 goals next season simple and we wil be in CL next seaosn.
A Bitter Blue trying to tell fibs so that he thinks in his little world it will make any difference. It wont
Little club mentality, little man syndrome
Well jabefc that 5 year old should also get a ban say no milk or nap time I think they should definately come down heavy on him they could even take away his snacks its not on but on a serious note your right saurez behaviour was inexcusable and its things like you just highlighted that's the problem he needs to think through his actions gifted footballer I think he has a serious personality/attitude disorder that needs to be adressed
Very good point Jab. No-one has blown this out of proportion and there certainly is not an anti-LFC agenda in the media. In the last couple of seasons we have not behaved well, not dealt well enough with bad behaviour and not dealt well with the media and not provided a good example to anyone and because of that we have a bad reputation at the moment. We need to accept this as a club and fan base even though to most of us it hurts.
I would urge all our fans not to fall into the 'no-one likes us and we don't care' way of thinking, that is not the way to go.
Jabefc let's hope your boy and others don't follow fellaini incident eh lad. Short memories and jumping on the bandwagon Lad!
23 Apr 2013 12:17:44
I think everyone needs to just calm down and put this in perspective.
I see a lot of posters comparing the incident with Defoe biting Mascherano and Terry abusing Ferdinand and the FA taking less or no retributive action i. e. Us against the world syndrome. Fair enough, it can be annoying when these incidents occur; however, I feel taking these out of the equation, can any Liverpool fan (myself included) say that Suarez doesn't deserve a 4 - 6 game ban?
The media have blown this totally out of proportion and I fail to see how they can still be making more about it. We can all agree on that, but once again Suarez only has himself to blame. Time after time he let's us down with his tom foolery and blatant disregard for his team mates, managers and the fans that have time and again backed him to the hilt. I for one have backed him through the racism scandal, not because I know whether or not that he did it but I believe it was unfair to crucify someone with little if any proof. When it comes to diving, I use the case of bale etc. but I find it hard to believe him now when he says he is sorry and that he won't do it again. He apologised after performing a similar Hannibal impression for Ajax and swore to never do it again. Fast forward two years and he is at it again. It's obviously a rush of blood to the head, seeing red moment for him.
However, although everything I said above leads me to believe that he is wrong, we should wash our hands of him and dump him, I find myself wanting the club to support him because firstly, I believe we won't get someone with his talent to replace him, secondly, the man clearly needs the support of someone as this must be difficult to go through (though it is his own fault) and thirdly, because as far as I'm concerned it was disgusting and despicable thing but everyone has come out okay. It was stupid and I'm sure he regrets it now but worse things happen every day.
All those calling for Luis Suarez's head on a plate should really take a look why we have 'You'll Never Walk Alone' sown to our chests. Week in week out I see posters say Liverpool is more than a football club, we are a family. Yet when a man who clearly has issues needs our support, many are ready to throw him to the dogs.
The club has made their stance on the situation. They have condoned his action, said it is not acceptable and a disgrace. They will accept any punishment he gets and I hope we can move on next season and accept him back in the team (hopefully after counselling or any help he needs to get sort himself out). What more can the club do. If he does leave there will only be one winner and that's the club who buys him. The man is a footballing genius and if Liverpool is to have any chance of breaking the top four any time soon it will be with Luis and not without. Let's get him the help he needs and move on!
No one is bigger than the club but sometimes the club can be bigger with one and with the right help I think that can be us with Luis in the team.
Lol, well said Eds001
I live on the Wirral just telling you what a teacher told me this morning. Since then heard another incident on the news wake up and smell the coffee kids copy footballers
JabEFC {Ed001's Note - then their parents should be ashamed of themselves for not teaching them right from wrong.}
Suarez's parents tought him well, didn't they ed001! Am I right in thinking Suarez is a dad? He's a great role modle for his kid (s).
Not only can a teacher lose their job over talking about individual disciplinary cases so you are telling lies again, what utter nonsense is this that new stations would be reporting on children misbehaving?
And as Ed001 says, we didn't watch cartoons and go around hitting each other with hammers as children. Quit your trolling, go back to your day job and if you actually do find any children going around biting people and calling it a Suarez, remind the parents of their responsibility to teach their children not to copy everything they see in TV
Suarez has a daughter, it's her name tattoo'd on his wrist that he kisses in his goal celebrations. And according to the article he game the times before the match on sunday, his wife is giving him a pretty hard time about his antics
23 Apr 2013 17:57:56
@ trev the goner
Reporting the news in one thing - sensationalising and demonising the actions of a club/player isn't reporting the news, its whipping up a frenzy, encouraging the FA to take a harsher stance against the behaviour and is not reporting the story in a fair, balanced way (i. e. the way journalists are supposed to operate). There is no defence of Suarez's actions against Ivanovic, none. But if you honestly think the media are/have given Liverpool a fair shake over the past few years then you're having a laugh.
I don't remember Arsenal courting quite as much controversy when Vieira (and half the Arsenal team) were getting into fights with United. Don't remember any of Bergkamps studs up stamps on players every courting much controversy. Don't remember Cesc Fabregas spitting in the face of Michael Ballack getting any headlines. Can you imagine the headlines if Suarez spat at someone! The media has every right to report "the news" as you say but the reporting and coverage of Liverpool & Suarez is warped and twisted and, more importantly, far from reality that it's becoming shameful. Pulis ranting about Suarez diving generated double th headlines Huth's blatant stamp on him in the same game did - how is that fair or balanced? Liverpool get the rough end of the stick, Suarez doesn't help the situation, but don't try and pretend like we're treated like everyone else because it is categorically incorrect.
SMc
23 Apr 2013 08:30:30
On a lighter note Suarez being out the squad for the rest of the season at least gives someone a space one the bench because I'm sure downing, sturridge, coutinho will start for the rest of the season, maybe jack dunne? Or Jordan Ibe?
Borini back in full training today. As one door closes on Suarez's season as most expect, another opens for Borini to step in and show what he is all about. He's a really good player, hopefully he can come up big in the last few games and hit the ground running in preseason.
Borini has resumed full fitness training, maybe him in a few weeks too?
RobInRed
23 Apr 2013 08:22:02
Would you accept Mario Gomez and £40M for Luis Suarez as I fell he has to be sold for the sake of the club or would you demand £60M.
I would prefer Müller and 40million to be honest (not that this would ever happen)
You will not get £60m for Suarez, you are chatting nonsense.
I would be amazed if it was even as much as £40m.
Disney!
I'd say Gomez and £40m is a package of £60m, but I can't see Gomez agreeing to that
That is never going to happen! Suarez will fetch £30 mill tops!
It will blow over Big D. I would sell if we could attract Damiao, Fischer or some young super striker like this.
Otherwise we need to keep Suarez. He is a world class player.
Davey Sulls
I want him to stay. BR style doesn't suit Gomez.
I don't know if Gomez would accept LFC or if BR would want Gomez (would he fit the style) but I would take Gomez and 40mil. With that money and sales/owner contribution we could buy Eriksen, top CB, top wing, and any other position BR wants coverage for.
Disney you smart arse clever git come on tell us how you know everything about football, players and the money side cause you are clearly the most intelligent person I've ever come across.
By the way lad you stated 35m the other day so come on mastermind make your mind up. PS what you said the other day about riding a bike and it being someones mum or mrs clearly summed you up kid as a bigheaded so and so who has no respect for others and I must ask the question why are you always on the Liverpool site cause no one wants you on here lad!
Im going to do what always gets your goat and leave no name so you can address me as no name you cartoon boy!
If Suarez does leave then guaranteed he will cost interested clubs a minimum of £50M, I can only see him at 2 clubs and that is either Juventus or B. Munich
Gomez wouldn't fit our style, would be a disastrous purchase to replace a lively, pacey, dynamic player like Suarez with the German (albeit more prolific) Andy Carroll.
SMc
Disney, I suggest you ask Ed002 about it. He mentions Suarez's value won't drop because of this incident and there is apparently a clause that only Allows others to start talking to his reps if they offer 40 million euros, IF he were to be made available.
I suspect it could just be a starting point if he were to be made available and with Bayern interested, I would think we would easily get 40 million.
The real AG
I believe talks for Suarez will begin at around 30m euros and a deal agreed around 40m euros. I would be surprised if it went above 40m euros and amazed if it went higher than £40m.
People talking about him going for £60m are delusional. Turn it around, would you pay £60m for Suarez if he was at another club? Even £40m? I think anything between £30m-£35m is closer to the truth.
Once you have the £30m-£35m you can then let David Brent blow it on another couple of average Joe's ;)
Disney!
AG, Suarez has already been talking to other clubs. Try and keep up. He has been visiting Turin with his agent. I think the 40m euros will be more of a guideline rather than a starting point.
That is just my opinion, I am not an expert. Far from it in fact. I also think Suarez' actions will have no bearing on his fee because I believe Liverpool may have already named their price.
I think Juventus already know what they will need to pay to buy Suarez. I think that figure isn't far off £35m. Mario Goetze for £31.7m and 6/7 years younger than Suarez. I think £35m tops.
Disney! {Ed002's Note - Turin was last summer Sidney and the €40M relates to him being allowed to discuss options with another club - not a transfer fee.}
Looks like you have already mapped out Suarez's transfer but, why should I believe anything you say? ED002 mentions otherwise and from past experience, I will believe Ed002.
The real AG
So the price to even talk to Suarez iS €40 million but you think they will start the bidding at €30 million. Ok Disney I get it now.
The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - The €40M is a contractual figure only. This is why we ignore numbers.}
Ed002, sure I understand that, but before a fee is agreed with an interested club, most players usually know 'roughly' what terms they will be offered via their agent. So isn't this clause pointless?
I think if he has a clause of 40m euros in his contract saying that he is allowed to discuss personal terms with the buying club, then surely that is a guideline for the kind of fee Liverpool would accept?
It cannot be far off the amount they would accept surely?
Disney! {Ed002's Note - Liverpool did not request the clause to be put in the contract Syd.}
Ahh, okay Ed, fair enough. It's kind of a pointless figure then wouldn't you agree?
If Suarez is sold this summer, do you think he will sell for over £35m. If you do not want to answer that then that's fair enough, I do see the grief you get on this page ;)
Disney! {Ed002's Note - It is not pointless at all Sid - it was put there for a very specific reason.}
So why have a €40 million figure in your contract that allows other clubs to discuss options with the player if the club could then offer €30 million? Seems pretty stupid to me. Surely it has to be a starting figure?
The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - The clause was not put there by Liverpool.}
ED002, was the clause 'negotiated' in by the Suarez reps? If so, that explains why it is there.
The real AG {Ed002's Note - It was.}
You are stating the obvious now AG but for what reason ed002? Care to elaborate?
The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - To give him flexibility.}
23 Apr 2013 08:13:54
Morning all
Let's get something clear. Luis Suarez was obviously out of control and only he knows what was going through his head when he bit Ivanovic. However, to say that he shouldn't play for Liverpool again is ridiculous. As a club you cannot control or predict a player is going to behave like that. I'm sure Ferguson didn't believe for one minute Cantona would one day jump into the crowd and kick someone if he ever got sent off. Suarez needs help. He must be aware that he needs help and that what he did is not acceptable. Suarez needs the clubs help to make sure his frustrations are kept within certain limits.
Suarez has given his all for this club and now he needs help. Like many talented footballers in which you could inlclude Rooney, they have the capacity to over react in tense circumstances. No doubt the FA will throw the book at him and he certainly deserves a ban of more than 3 games. However, does this incident hold football in a worse light than an ex England captain racially abusing a fellow player on camera? I am not so sure.
I hope he can learn from this incident and that in the future the only headlines made will be the ones that show what an outstanding footballer Suarez is.
Monty Withnail
23 Apr 2013 08:11:24
hi eds
I am on this site all the time but just reg with u and this is first post.
just want to know what u guys think on the suarez bite and more. I love luis and would hate to see him leave but in your opinion what happens if we give him another chance and he takes the help offered by the fa but still and all the man does something bad only he would do in the future and we r embarassed again because I am and everytime someone talks about this the first word out of there mouth is LIVERPOOLS luis suarez and its embarassing. Holding on to him for me is saying that that the saying no one is bigger than the club is wrong because Liverpool are viewing him that way and so are others like pundits saying he would leave to big a hole. sorry for the long post but please would love some response
thanks loving this site
23 Apr 2013 09:35:15
We are already Embarassed to the world of football from past 5 years.
No CL. mid table club, Under debt, No world class players. horrible transfer flops.
what else more you need.
His shirts are being sold at record number. and you say his bite has embarassed the global brand name of Liverpool
how about this. without suarez. Liverpool travelling to villa park to fight out for the relegation.
great news right.
23 Apr 2013 08:10:51
Just my 2 pence worth
No one can defend the actions of Suarez, what he did was stupid and disgraceful and he should accept what ever punishment is given to him.
There has always been and always will be players that do and say things that will be talked about after wards.
Cantona Kung fu kicked a FAN, did Man U sell him? I believe that antic ruined his carear with sponsors and earning potential, no it didn't, he carried on playing for Man U, he is now acting in films and being paid to do advertising.
Zidanne head butted a player in front of millions of viewers during one of the worlds biggest sporting events, did Real Madrid get rid? No he played on and now has a job I'm the office there.
How many tackles have there been by the likes of our own stevie g, Roy kean that could've ended players careers?
My point is the punishment and the overall out come of this incident is down to the FA and LFC.
The eds and countless other pundits keep saying to get rid and sell him and there are still plenty of teams out there that would buy him, of course there is, I'm sorry but in the game of football theses days is about winning, and Suarez is a player that wins you games,
Keeping Suarez some are saying makes him think he is bigger than the club, so does that mean if he gets sold to a
another club their reputation doesn't matter? That he is bigger than their team before he gets there?
Selling Suarez based on this would be a mistake, yes sanctions must be put in place his love and loyalty must be put to the test by our board demanding certain actions are taken by Suarez to prove he will get help and prove he wants to stay. If he can't do this then fine he needs to be sold.
If he is willing to do what is asked of him by the FA and LFC then he should be allowed to serve his punishment like any body else and carry on playing for LFC.
Again I don't condone what he did or think its right what he did, but the way people, papers, news and the Internet are carrying on is just bringing more attention to it.
To those of you who say get rid have you not been watching football or other sports before and seen other sport stars doing things like this, was there this kind of up roar?
Last bit, Defoe did the same thing, he was carded by the ref, subject over, y? Was the action of Defoe any different? Just because he was seen by the ref and punished by the ref doesn't make what he did any better, didn't call for him to be sacked by his club or dropped by his country or hounded by the press?
Lifelongred
23 Apr 2013 08:08:28
#Tahmid Red {Ed002's Note - You are a filthy piece of crap and an embarrassment to every other Liverpool fan. Leave the page alone.}
23 Apr 2013 07:42:22
I think the issue with Suarez is its because he has previous.
People talk of bad fouls and players getting 3 game bans, well fouls come from tackles which are apart of the game. No matter how badly injuried a player is from a bad tackle every player knows and accepts that it could happen to them when out on the pitch as tackles are all apart of the game.
What Suarez did show's a complete lack of respect for his fellow professionals as footballers and as human beings. This is not part of the game.
Every inncident is different and based on its own merits, so saying so in so only got a 3 match ban or didn't get banned at all is the worst kind of excuse possible. Also every inncident is open to interpetation, so it becomes hard to fairly judge every incident against each other.
In your heart of hearts you know he was bang out of order and if it was a player from another club or a lesser player the club then you'd feel differently about it.
There can be no excuses about his upbringing or he's fron a different culture, he just has something seriously wrong with him. He thinks this is acceptable behaviour for him, he thinks he can get away with it. Time and time again he will drag the clubs reputation through the mud.
Just as a judge in the criminal justice system would you have to consider the defendents previous behaviour and see if there is a pattern to it and whether a tougher sentance is required.
Suarez at his previous club recieved an 7 game ban for bitting a fellow professional.
He racially abused a fellow professional last season and recieved a 8 game ban.
This shows he has no respect for his fellow professionals even after his servere punishments he still hasn't learned his lession. Surely a three times and your out policy
If you want to compare it to the judicial system, then the basis of English Law is set by case law precedence.
In which event, Liverpool could point to the Defoe case.
But football isn't like that.
So your point doesn't stand up.
The Juicer
23 Apr 2013 07:37:53
Eds or any1 who the answer.
Is 6th the only chance of Europa football or are going to have European less season next year? Wot do we have to achieve to be in Europe or are we relying on chelsea winning Europa league?
Please answer. Cheers
Jimerny cricket {Ed002's Note - 5th.}
23 Apr 2013 09:37:24
and u believe we will finish 6th?
My god
23 Apr 2013 07:25:21
Con grats to United on another title success. It used to pain me to say that but as we're playing in different leagues now its easier to except them winning the title.
I touched the "This is Anfield " sign in May 1990 the morning after we won the title, our last title and now I think It will be along long time till anyone will be able to do that again. 23 years and counting. United waited 26 years between title wins can anyone on this site see us winning the title in the next 3 years?
23 Apr 2013 09:38:12
Titile?
what about CL?
23 Apr 2013 10:02:07
Yes. I can.
We have a phenominal young team. Keep the faith. When our accademy starts chucking talent out every year, it'll be like a Barcelona/Dortmund scenario. I'd say 3 years time, that will start happening regularly.
YNWA! (Adam)
Why do you say the next 3 years? Are you planning on going somewhere? If you were that great a supporter, you would stay patient and support, whether it's 3 or 5 or 10 years.
The real AG
23 Apr 2013 06:49:59
Just a thought when borini comes back and if he were to score will he do his usual celebration which is biting his own arm. KJ
23 Apr 2013 10:48:39
hahahha. You beauty.
At last some humour
Hahah good one. Maybe he will get a ban?
The real AG
23 Apr 2013 06:12:02
Deliberately avoided posting since the game - didn't want to get trampled by all the headless chickens.
No-one can condone what Luis did and he will be punished for his actions but a couple of points not yet raised and should be aired.
Ivanovic is pictured showing the 'alleged' teethmarks to the referee. In all the pictures I've seen I can't spot a toothmark in any of them, no reddening, no blood, no torn shirt, nothing. Reports in some papers and comments made by some pundits allege that Luis 'took a chunk' out of Ivanovic's arm. Alarmist and unfounded hysteria without any evidence of such an injury, surely if there had been it would have been on all the front pages with the numbers of teethmarks graphically shown for all the world to see. Luis will no doubt receive a lengthy ban but when a player deliberately assaults an opponent with a two footed off-the-ground tackle and breaks a leg let's see how the FA compares the two incidents. Don't hold your breath.
So somebody playing Football and injuring somebody if different to using your teeth to chomp on somebody? Maybe if he dived head first into Ivanovic and accidently snapped his leg with an accidental bite then you could relate the two.
The reality is tackles are part of the game and biting isnt.
23 Apr 2013 06:02:31
If Suarez gets more than a five match ban I assume this carries on in to next season. So, if he's still at Liverpool, that means we start the season with this cloud hanging over us.
He is a great footballer but I'm starting feel like that does not outweigh the hassle that comes with the player. Controversies have followed him all his career. can he change? He's hated by opposition fans, and they are vitriol in their opinion about him. Not nice!
23 Apr 2013 06:00:38
If we can get 40+ for Suarez, we should get rid of him immediately. Rodgers said it best when he said no one is irreplaceable. That 40 could be reinvested in 2 or 3 top class players (which we truly need).
23 Apr 2013 05:50:48
Noticed a few mentions about being gutted Van Persie now in front for goldan boot. Suarez through away the opportunity to compete for that honour, he's a complete plonker!
23 Apr 2013 09:40:36
he will bang 30+ next season if he is with us. with ban or without ban.
the lad can hit a hatrrick in a fraction of time.
he is simple magical to watch.
23 Apr 2013 05:03:12
I know this subject has been done to death, but I just want to get this Suarez incident off my chest. I feel that Suarez has let our great club down a bag full. The incident was embarrassing, irrational and completely stupid, but completely blown out of proportion. Was the incident worse than any of the two footed high challenges that we have seen over the course of the season? No of course it wasn't. Could his bite have ended another players career? No of course not. What Suarez is guilty of is inflaming all of the worlds press and adding fuel to the ever burning flames of the anti Liverpool brigade. Mr Suarez does not seem to know any boundaries of stupidity. He is a genius on the pitch, but many geniuses have their flaws and Demons. For me as a fan for almost 40 years feel it's time for the club to show the rest of the world what a great club we are and say thanks Louis, but goodbye.
Elmo96
23 Apr 2013 08:53:02
It was a stupid, petulant act, but did he actually hurt anyone?
Are people reacting to the idea of being bitten rather than actual physical harm?
Week after week we see tackles that could seriously hurt an opponent but this is generally accepted because it's a man's game. So that's Suarez's problem he behaved like a girlie. The only person I've heard talk sense was (and it grieves me to say it) Gary Neville. The outrage is absurd and for the Prime Minister to get involved is truly pathetic, when yobs on the street can stamp on someones head and get community service. A bit of common sense required everyone.
ALDNZ
The blatent difference between a leg breaking high challenge and a bite are a number of things.
1) Tackles are part of the game
2) There are a high number of said tackles every season
3) This isn't the first time Suarez has bitten someone
4) He is lucky Ivanovic didn't pursue charges as unlike bad tackles biting is illegal
5) When was the last time a player bit someone? 2 incidents in the whole Premier League era?
Roy Keane admitted he deliberately tried to break a guys leg with a tackle. Suarez had a nibble.
23 Apr 2013 03:43:18
Wouldnt it be ironic if we, and Suarez, qualified for Europe under the fair play entry?
23 Apr 2013 03:14:34
Personally, although results are key. I'd much rather see our great clubs reputation and honour be restored to its former self. Results, players and form all come and go.
A clubs reputation is all it really has.
Look at the things we dislike about other clubs. We don't hate them because the lose matches. It's simply because we see our club as a better model for morality and honour.
I will not sacrifice this reputation and proud history for any amount of goals. We already must polish the tarnish brought onto this club, how much deeper can we go before seeing it beyond repair.
Before anybody starts. Yes, as an isolated incident, it's not a complete disaster. But, should any player put his own stupid ideas above the club in any way. Should one person show such little respect for the shirt they wear. They should be not only ashamed of themselves, but punished accordingly. Yes, that means banished.
Red7.
23 Apr 2013 03:05:48
IMHO, people aren't thinking straight, influenced, understandably, by the latest media bedlam.
Do a little thought experiment:
- Sell Suarez in summer
- Suarez likely bought by another top European team
- Suarez continues to play first class football and score loads of goals - for a team that isn't Liverpool.
So why not keep him, and make item #3 "for a team that IS Liverpool"?
His reputation doesn't improve suddenly by joining Munich, Juventus or Barca - it's the same man, with the same (undoubted) volatility issues. But his new employers have been happy to take on those risks.
Why? Because he remains one of the world's top goal scorers at this time, with no sign of those talents abating any time soon.
Are they doing Liverpool a favour, or simply laughing up their sleeves that the media has done a handy job forcing our club into a rash, emotion-driven decision?
He's going to be scoring numerous, excellent and match-critical goals somewhere next season, still under the glare of the world's media - let it be Liverpool, I say.
;0)
23 Apr 2013 03:02:04
For many reasons, Liverpool are in decline, get over it and move on.
They could have ended up like Leeds.
FSG saved Liverpool from that fate.
Now FSG have to step up to the table and decide what to do.
Invest or sell?
Only they will know that decision.
Managementman
So have they not been investing then?
23 Apr 2013 01:34:18
where do we go from here? we should put Suarez on the transfer list if we had any honor, but we won't, for us to lose even £30 million we won't do it, and who would want to come to us with no CL football and our pathetic performances in the league and cups this year? somebody please reassure me that it's not that bad, because that's how it feels!
If we place him on the transfer list and make it known his LFC career is over we may gain a little respect but we lose a great player, some of his value and options. If we punish him, offer him help, we gain some respect for handling the situation better, keep his value, keep the option of selling for a good price at the time of our choosing and if the psychologists feel he can change we may keep the player.
The club is handling a horrible situation the best way it can, but I am sure behind the scenes plans are being made.
23 Apr 2013 00:48:30
Boot room blarney-hi eds, will LS be banned from the next match onwards or can he play while he awaits his fate also is 7th out of all the euro placings for next season? {Ed002's Note - He won't play again this season and yes.}
23 Apr 2013 01:29:55
before Sunday I would have been very upset that Suarez would leave, now I don't really give a stuff, we can't sell him because we need him, and we don't have the pull to attract a like for like replacement, so depressing.
23 Apr 2013 00:55:22
Fans I'm afraid Suarez has got big problems in his head and its getting tougher and tougher for us to handle him.
1) He bite a player when playing for ajax in front of refree, got 8 match ban and apologised he won't repeat again!
2) He lied to Liverpool about evra racial issue, Liverpool and kenny trusted him and put their reputation in line to back him, but he returned to his country and accepted using a word which was not allowed in this country and made fool of club and kenny, got again 8 match ban
3) He accepted shaking evra`s hand and again kenny and Liverpool trusted him, but refused shaking evra`s hand infront of Tv and world, again made fool of Liverpool and a proud man like kenny and Liverpool had to apologise to united and ferguson for his behaviour.
4) Rodgers defended him in media about his diving antics, suarez returned to his country and accepted diving/cheating for penalty, again made fool of Rodgers infront of media.
5) He recently punched a player playing for his country infront of camera and the world, when asked he refused first then he realised he was caught on camera then accepted.
6) Again he bite a player without being provoked or any reason, that just shows how his mind functions, and FA once again will hit him hard.
7) He was very close losing us our main sponsors standard chartered because of his behavour, and that would cost the club 25M
8) He continues his antics knowing that how it effects our club, interms of Reputation, Global image, Sponsors, investors etc.
9) Its really hard to defend him because you don't know next day what he is going to say to media that's how dumb he is.
10) He has apologise many times but yet keeps on repeating his antics and doesn't feel ashamed because he thinks he has come from different culture where this things are not as big as people make or think as this things are normal from where he comes.
Now please tell me how can you keep defending a man like him or deal with him?
Get his wife to manage the team
23 Apr 2013 07:12:48
All your points are valid.
He scored 30 goals this seaosn. and took Liverpool and BR job from disaster to safety.
Without a player like suarez, the team would never reach CL.
He has the highest fan base across the world for Liverpool and it will continue even more.
his shorts are sold at record numbers.
he is the sole name brand for FSG.
Most attractive player in PL.
and without him we would have been battling with aston villa this ssaosn.
If you remove him, we could get exact picture of how bad our other transfer purchase was.
The evra thing is over. Even though he never denied saying what he said to evra. He said that he did not say what evra said he had. He even brought some one from his home land, think it was a politician or u. f. a member. To speck on his behave, and that the word he used is not deamed offensive in South America.
Think one of his grans is black as well.
Look at the footage of the the had shake with evra and tell me he did not drop his hand as Suarez approached.
There is no defending what he done but
If he was a member of your family would you hang them out to dry.
It was wrong but stand behind him till he wears a diffrent colour top.
For goodness sake, get a grip. One of the world's greatest players butted an opponent in a world cup final and was sent off, possible costing his country a trophy. Was Zidane pilloried? No he is regarded as a legend. Eric Cantona provoked by verbals from a fan, did the infamous kung fu kick. Do United fans despise him? Suarez was a petulant fool, he bit an opponent (without leaving a mark according to police) and he deserves a ban and a fine. But for goodness sake get a bit of perspective. Don't let the media whip you into a frenzy of indignation, without him this season we would be stuffed, how many people would rejoice at LFC being near the bottom of the table? Personally I feel diving to get someone booked or sent off is far worse.
If that's the case they would have gotten rid of Suarez, not reward with improved terms
23 Apr 2013 01:13:20
for those of you wanting a laugh, you should check Anichebe's twitter ( excuse the spelling! ) hope suarez is around to nutmeg him!
Anichebe need to focus on his football he's not that good tbh
Its a fake account
So Dalglish losing his job was over his defence of Suarez?
Nonsense.
It was to do with money.
He spent loads without much return.
We won't get rid of Suarez either.
Shirt sales will go through the roof after this. {Ed001's Note - yes he did lose it because of Suarez, no doubt about that, and nothing to do with money.}
23 Apr 2013 00:12:44
Ed002, could you please explain how the two are different and then I will be able to put this to bed.
Rushie was ace {Ed002's Note - Each matter is dealt with separately - in teh case of Defoe the ref took action. In the case of Suarez, a DF did something stupid yet again. There is little point in asking me as I am biased toward the club who has had it's reputation dragged through the mud by Suarez, a club who has had one of the "all time greats" embarrassed and forced to lose his job because of Suarez. A club that is fighting to come back from the damage done by owners etc. over the years but is repeatedly having to fix issues caused by a player who is dumber than a box of rocks. You will never see what damage he continues to do whilst you value him and the defence of him above the club and the likes of Kenny Dalglish who did make the ultimate sacrifice for him. }
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RESPECT ED2! A lot of fans don't see how much damage he does behind the scenes for the club.
Apparently we are the only club who is worried about their reputation being dragged through the mud. I don't see Spurs worrying about their reputation when Bale cheats to win by diving week in week out and gets yellow card (5 times?). Not defending suarez, but sell suarez and we will be another 4/5 years or even more behind other clubs.
What are we going to do without suarez? Play Shelvey upfront? By selling Suarez we will be the only one who suffers. Other teams that want suarez won't give a toss about suarez's behavior.
Agree that Defoe situation was different because ref took the action. BUT how does that make what suarez did any worse than what Defoe did? So, why should Suarez recieve more ban than Defoe (irrespective of ref taking "action")? Isn't the whole system FA has flawed? FA is dragging the name of premier league through the mud with their rules and regulations. but hey who cares? Only we should worry about our "reputation. " Also, Didn't see anyone calling Defoe's head? Spurs weren't worried about their reputation being dragged through the mud.
Totally agree with Ed2. He's had his chance and he's blown it.
23 Apr 2013 00:02:35
I respect ivanovic for not wanting to press further charges against Suarez, because it would have been in his right to do so. That was nice of him, unlike Evra.
In his case, it was not a personal attack. I don't like defending Evra, because he is generally thought of as a complete a***hole around my house. But, I will say that the racial attack is more personal. While the biting incident was just a case of "wrong place, wrong time" for Ivanovic. He'd have bitten the ref, had he been near enough.
22 Apr 2013 23:40:01
good to see evra showing his class as always
22 Apr 2013 23:21:23
Surprised there hasn't been a mention about Evra's unprofessional (person) behavior after the match tonight.