Liverpool Banter Archive April 23 2012

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23 Apr 2012 23:27:42
I have been a fan since my Grand dad took me to Anfield in 1974, always loved Kenny amongst many others and recognise this is a marmite season. therefore this is not a rumour but a couple of questions for the the Ed's and Macca. Do you feel KK should go and if so who would be your preffered choice to replace him. Any room for Stevie Nicol. Love the site and not being antagonistic just interested.

Worcester Red

23 Apr 2012 23:12:58
I am a massive believer in everything kenny and his staff are trying to do at the club, here is a man who answered the call to come back to manage this great club when poor Roy hodgson was asked to leave, the man who every single Liverpool fan wanted as manager, now some 15 months later with a first trophy in 6 years in the cabinet another day out at wembley in 2 weeks, he has become public enemy number 1, am I missing something here, yes are league form obviously isn't great but basically every game I've seen this season we have battered the majority of teams we have played and a little more luck and we would be 10-15 points better off, but we are not but the thing that annoys me the most is a section of fans calling for his head cos we are not doing such and such in the league, now what gives us the right to expect a champions league place before a ball has even been kicked back in August, we haven't been doing that for the last 2 seasons now, in the end with benitiez we were nowhere near champions league place or winning trophies but some fickle fans want him back, am I missing something, avb is this what it's come to, how about we get behind kenny and the lads, cos we are on course for a double here, doesn't sound to bad does it hey, king kenny ynwa

Not all fans of lfc wanted him we panicked cos roy made us all feel so bad.

AVB is a great manager who had a bad run with Chelski...the previous season he led Porto to an undefeated season...he will definitely become successful again...whether it's with us is another matter...

KD is a great Manager who's had a bad run in the League. We are in with a great chance of winning 2 cups. He will definitely lead us to success again in the League as he's proved throughout his career he's a Winner. Just hope he's given the time.
kidmillions

AVB wasnt a great manager, he was awfull, it was hard to fail with the team he had at Porto. As a bloke he was sound but he formations/selections/man management was baffling at best

SHED END

I'd rather have John Aldridge than AVB, getting Tranmere to any cup final and so nearly in the Premier League with no money now thats an achievement! And he loves the club. I really don't rate Andre Villas Boas!

23 Apr 2012 23:07:30
Guys, have you ever noticed that some fans on here change their mind so quickly. Especially when it comes down to player form. e.g. Jose Enrigue could not have been praised more at the start of the season and then some people are starting to question his ability. He's been one of our best players on a consistent basis! This part of the reason why players like Hendo and Downing aren't bedding in. You can sense the tension each time they miss a pass. Its amazing to watch. I don't like Chelsea as much as any other fan but have you noticed that when Torres is playing poor he is cheered as they have faith that Torres will come good. We booed and jeered Lucas for so long and now look at him now, He's one of the best holding midfielders in Europe. These are the players we have bought and for now we must get behind them until the end of the season and beyond. Also he may (should) step aside but at least until the end of the season In Kenny I Trust

Enrique was very good but now every one can see he can only use one leg they know how to use that against him.

So long as it's a great left peg! that's good enough he is a full back after all. Bit different up front where we've got a centre forward with just a left peg! That he hardly ever uses.
kidmillions

Do you have a problem with lefties or something?

Enrique is a great defender he has been the best left back in epl in my opinion

23 Apr 2012 23:03:11
Hi Eds. I was wondering your view on FSG's ownership to date? I think they are being very considered in everything they do, but clearly have the guts to change things when they aren't working. I guess the summer will see how they view this season's performance and the level of their expectations. In my view, good owners to have.
Pieboy1812 {Ed002's Note - They have done fine.}

23 Apr 2012 22:49:48
Call me na�ve and slate me if you will but I am behind the American owners, so far they have been open, honest and tried to manager our expectations. although after reading some of your posts I think they have still some work to do

Remember they rescued the club from the other American idiots and haven't put a foot wrong IMO since and have shown their strength/ ruthlessness in sacking DC

If they say Kenny has their backing and are confident in his leadership going forward (FACT).

We have no justified reason to pour doubt over them.

So I for one will be looking out for transfer targets not Managers (not helpful for team Liverpool fc)

I whole heartedly agree , LFC will have an even better season next season with Kenny Dalglish in charge and be all the better for a few new faces to add a little spark .

Qwerty

You're safe mate, there are not many people who would disagree with you.

Red7.

23 Apr 2012 22:35:20
emery has said he is leaving valencia

No he didn't

He shocked his players before their last match saying that even if they make the CL next season he won't be their manager

23 Apr 2012 21:34:42
Not a rumour, just after a bit of insight...

Ed, I know you have stated that you believe KK will step aside at the end of the season, I myself am unsure what the best move would be. My opinion would be if there is a master plan & somebody else of good reputation is lined up then so be it, move KK back inside the club. But just moving him because the league form has been poor and then we have to start chasing managers doesn't make sense, surely all it will do is unsettle everything all over again! Does the ed that thinks KK will be stepping aside believe it's part of a plan? is there somebody yet to be announced in the wings, or is it just a knee jerk reaction or possibly KK making the decision himself? {Ed002's Note - I have no idea if there is a "master plan" or not.}

I've said it before, I think Rafa is already lined up and ready to step in if Kenny steps aside. The money paid to Rafa for the remainder of his contract must be up by now leaving him free to return with no tax implications. It seems strange that he still lives in Liverpool and has been offered jobs abroad which he has declined. Kenny has been praising him of late for the work he has done at the Academy. With the DOF gone and may be replaced with someone, under a slightly different contract giving the new manager a bit more freedom The main critisism is his man management skills, but he has had 2 years on the sidelines and may of realised that this is a crucial element of managing a top club. He loves Liverpool to bits and his record is not that bad, in fact a lot better than some names being banded about. Bobbinred

Rafa lives in Caldy on the Wirral which is one of the top places to live in this Country.
Don't think he will be leaving there any time soon regardless of LFC.
kidmillions

What about like a co-managed club Rafa and Kenny lol that would be kinda awesome Let Kenny do the talking and Rafa the thinking and mabye someone else the buying!

Co manage doesnt work.Houllier/Evans!!

23 Apr 2012 21:18:30
Evening Eds, any word on talksports latest on our interest in Nolita of benfica? Great site fellas :) {Ed002's Note - I don't know if there is interest or not.}

23 Apr 2012 22:20:03
After reading so many kenny out posts yet again would just like to say show some respect to a man that has done more for this club on and off the pitch than anybody has a right too ask for.I am sure nobody gives more effort and love for our club than king kenny.I am also sure if he feels there is no more he can do regarding the playing side that he will step aside.I feel FSG have shown repect to kenny regardless of results and am thankfull of the fact that they have not acted like many owners may have done.The summer will be a time of assesing the season and i am hopefull and confident the right desicions will be made too take us forward. Tomo10

Kenny deserves all our respect and support but sadly it will not make him a better manager .

23 Apr 2012 22:18:06
Actually have a couple questions for the eds, or fans, rather than a opinion this time.

1) if Macca knew we were staying at Anfield, back in march was it? why is there still no official word from someone at lfc? John henry said the fans would be the first to know on the decision. I remember he did a lfc interview sat in the stands of the red sox stadium about it.

2) Carroll, Torres, Schevchenko, robihno, Chris sutton, Hargreaves, Reyes, Aqualani, Santa Cruz, Bentley, Veron. What do these all have in common? theyre expensive flops! I know macca absolutly detests our carroll, and he knows more than i so fair enough, but what i want to know, realistically, what do we do with him? Just so everyone is clear, AC is the most expensive player on that list bar torres.

Options:
1: Stick with him because you believe in his ability to come good. Or just because we are ignorant and dont want to admit its the worse buy in football history.
2: Take a heavy loss on him, for 15m? ( if we are lucky)
3: Or keep a 35m signing as a backup squad player.

It was a panic buy it happens.

Thoughts?

Ben the Red

What an idiotic post. He's been playing well recently and has scored a few plus he's still young. The Chelsea fans have been backing Torres this season and he's a lot worse than Andy. Why sell him - it makes no sense. The money has been spent on him and he is currently a pretty decent player but has potential to be a superb player.
I'm liking him more every game.

cozinoz

5 yr contract = 7mil per year - we got 7mil worth out of him this season in my opinion. Simplistic I know, but so is expecting 35mil performances from a young player new to the club.

LIVERPRES

Carroll has improved lately, no question. Hopefully he has something left for the final.

Doesn't mask the fact it was a ridiculous purchase. One that has cost the DOF his job. And what happens if there is a new manager, with a new system of play?

But that can wait. Roll on May 5th!

Exactly Liverpres....although he might be here for 10 seasons which puts him at 3.5m a season - bloody bargain :)

cozinoz

Cozinoz.

Youre utterly wrong. Andy carroll is a bambi on ice. Hes scored 2 headers, a scuff against west brom, a half volley gainst everton in the league. he cant out muscle people his size, he cant out sprint anyone.

His swing and a miss against west brom at a open goal sums up andy carroll. Every goal he has scored has been on a plate.

Possibly the worst person to ever pull on the jersey.

Even Macca said so. Said bout how hes a disgrace, goes out binge drinking, is lazy in training.

Why should i back someone that puts himself first over the club?

Hendo i back, because he is a true professional and tries hsi best.

Ben the red

And good point liverpres

But if you look at it like that

for each goal its cost around a million pounds....lol

Ben the red

23 Apr 2012 22:01:09
in
rogers - swansea
fellaini - everton
dempsey - fulham
johnson - man city
soldado - valencia
moses - wigan
doyel - wolves
hoilett - blackburn
sigurdsson - hoffeheim
ter stegen - borussia

out
KK
suarez
cole
downing
kuyt
jonson
maxi
shelvey
renia
aurelio

A lot of average players bar a few

Go on - you're a manc aren't you. With that list you have to be, 'cos you aren't a red...
ND

Why the hell would we get rid of Suarez and Shelvey? you numpty...

23 Apr 2012 21:58:14
what do you think of henderson's perfromance in cm against west brom?

How can 14 people agree , oh i see its just that he was poor but better than normal.

23 Apr 2012 21:57:35
waht do you think of lucas?

I preferred the old star wars films to the new ones but he is still a very good director.

Square tomato

Ace.

ND

23 Apr 2012 21:52:29
Kenny will be sacked in the next few months because not even silverware can mask the fact we are a joke in the league. We are not even the best team in liverpool at the moment because the table don't lie. To get beaten by the man who's job you taken is just the icing on the cake for kenny.Im used to draws and defeats under him he seems to like to blame everyone but himself including the media! I hope he likes gardening because he has no interpersonal skills. He has no ability to find good players. The tactics used are so rubbish my daughter could do a better job. Im not sure there is any job at the club for him, maybe he could polish the carling cup because cardiff were the better team he should be happy he won it.

But apart from that.......
Rigsby

I read the first 10 words then stopped.
FSG show they do not wait around. When they wanted kenny it was soon as window opened, so when you say next few months i already think your point is not worth reading. If kenny goes, they will want all the off season for a manager to evaluate squad and start his buys.
If he is not set down from his duties within 2 weeks of end of season, he will be manager next season.
Whether people like it or not.

Ben the red

When do'es the season end Ben? as i've been told the 1st of June is when Rafa take's over!

23 Apr 2012 21:37:10
hi not a rumour but does anyone eles thing the girl in the ad for fitness singles is bang tidy[the one with blonde hair holding the dumbell] cheers {Ed003's Note - Your the 2nd person to mention that in the last 10 mins}

You should get out more often! there's load's of "bing tidy" girl's out there!

Shes gross. The only six pack i want a woman to have is a Carlsberg one

Ben the red

23 Apr 2012 21:06:33
Ha ha like it

23 Apr 2012 21:05:51
Anyone on here follow American baseball? FSG have sank hundreds of millions into their beloved Red Sox, who are sitting in last place. I am wondering if their judgement isn't as sound as we'd all hoped?

Seriously?

FSG turned the Red Sox from the "cursed" team to winning two World Series' within 5 years.

The Red Sox are going through a transition this year after narrowly missing the playoffs last season. The transition being a new Manager and General Manager. The new Manager (Bobby Valentine) has not had a great start to his time with the Red Sox, but if he can turn it around then he has a chance of staying.

The first 20 games in baseball are almost meaningless. The only thing that matters is making the playoffs, when anyone can win the World Series.

Thanks,

CSeiling

They're not last place, they're bottom of the american league east division having played less games than other teams in that division. the league system there is difficult and they play 162 games, you cannot judge a team after just 14 games (less than other teams in their division). also considering that under the stewardship of FSG they have won two world series nearly 100 years after they last one. your criticism seems ill informed.

Ali

Seasons just started hasn't it?

That will be the baseball season that only started a week or 2 ago...you clown!!

ChrisE

23 Apr 2012 20:49:52
Hi Ed's,

What are the chances of Liverpool signing Scott Sinclair

{Ed002's Note - There is no known interest so it is not really possible to say at this time.}

23 Apr 2012 20:46:15
Is Ed002 in a grumpy mood? Hang on... wait a minute.. should i try the search function?

Its not about grumpiness, its about saving your time and the eds time.

Square tomato {Ed002's Note - Actually it is mainly grumpiness, I just use the other stuff as an excuse. On the plus side, I won't be around for much from mid morning tomorrow for a day or so as I am going to pop over to see the match tomorrow evening. So play nice whilst I am not around.}

Oh right now im grumpy cheers ed ;)

Square tomato

Nice one ed002. Have a good one.
Great trip that.
The Real KB

Not as good as Norwich away though
;-)
The Real KB

On the note edd 002 i think your a (badman) modern day goodman haha. STEMLOCC1

Search function doesn't work because nobody can spell.

So ed is this your snow white moment....always feeling grumpy..

Not being envious Ed002 but i hope you come back grumpier! {Ed002's Note - I don't let football bother me. Just the supporters who piss me off.}

So getting knocked out of the CL semi final won't bother you at all Ed002? {Ed002's Note - I would rather they won but it is not going to bother me at all if they get knocked out. It is only a game of football.}

Do you know if Ed002 is Chelsea fan? or should i see previous posts?

23 Apr 2012 20:43:32
Just speculation because not much leaks these days but I believe there will be many 'out's - I don't think you need to look further than Cole, Kuyt, Johnson, Eccleston, Rodriguez, Aurelio, Amoo, Aquilani, Darby, Pacheco and several others. Coming in will be restricted to no more than one or two first team and may be a handful of prospects I reckon. I expect the likes of Shelvey, Henderson, Sterkling and a few more to become more and more prominant next season. RED LENIN

23 Apr 2012 20:34:34
As an armchair fan the people most hard done to are the season ticket holders..they hve had to sit thru some drivvel and prepaid for it..the cups have been great but the bread and butter money payers are being robbed ,that is why Kenny needs to take stock.And that is why the League is the most important. Id love Kenny to do well,Id have loved Woy to have done well,but if your not giving people value for money then changes need to be made..unfortunately there arent many managers worth their salt...

Thankyou as a Season Ticket holder,ridiculed for being a moaner.Or made out to be rich/neglecting family cos i scrape to go by some on here.Its hard to take Mate.But all Ticket Holders by me,love the club.We get slagged for not singing,derided by most armchairs.Most feel they should have as much right to big games as us.But you make the valid underlying point.However/whatever,we pay upfront and through that show are loyalty week in week out,and will continue to.But it is fookin hard at times

23 Apr 2012 20:05:31
Ignoring the financial aspect for a second, I don't see how we are so sad about missing out on Champions league football. If we entered it, we wouldn't get past the group stages anyway. Blessing in disguise perhaps.

I couldn't even see us winning the Europa let alone Champions league.

On that note, how seriously do you expect or want to be taking the Europa League?

Bearing in mind how at the start of this season we said that we could challenge for champions league spot without a European distraction, and that clearly did not come to fruition, so how detrimental would a good Europa run be to our domestic campaign next season?

It would seem to me rather illogical to compromise Europa in order to achieve Champions League status the season following.

In my opinion, I would like to see us take it seriously. We took the Carling Cup seriously from day 1 and went on to win it, and that proved that any trophy, irrespective of it's prestige, can do a lot for the players. Look how elated they were after beating a championship side on penalties. Yes, it's the minor version of champions league, but it would still be a great achievement. It would probably mean sacrificing other cup runs, and make it difficult to finish top 4 as well though.

Your thoughts?

Mr controversy

We should be taking all the competitions seriously, besides a good Europa cup run will help give the likes of Carroll, Henderson, shelvey, and the like some much needed European experience should we end up qualifying for the champions league again. We need to up our game in the league and buy the players that will help. We take the cups seriously and do well as a result, it just shows we can beat anybody on our day, just not day in day out.

MIKEY

So Mr controversy! did you think we'd win it 05? Bet you did'nt!

23 Apr 2012 20:05:25
Just been reading an article about John Henry immediately after we won the Carling Cup:

"Our supporters have been through so much off the field so to win the silverware for the first time in six years is bringing back the kind of excellence they are used to.

"They want to see that emerge again and this is the first step. This is the first step to take us into a direction we want to go.

"Now we need to win the FA Cup, but realistically the next step is to beat Stoke. We'd be extremely happy to do that and take it from there.

"This is just the start and we still have a long way to go. We had so much to learn in a year of all aspects of the sport and we're still learning.

"The hard part has been getting the right people in place and thanks to Kenny and Damien (Comolli) we've done that.

"Silverware is what our players and our fans expect so this is good on every level. This is a great first step towards what we're trying to accomplish."

Henry added: "It's great that after all these years with you guys having to write about things off the field that finally you can talk that we're making progress with what's going on on the field."



I find it hard to believe that Kenny will get the push based on the above

Tel 1949

Hope you're right Tel

I dont see why you'd find it hard to believe...he thanked Comolli too and we all know how that ended up lol

Or camolli reading that..smf

Well Comolli got the bullet

TC YNWA

Genius Tel-Commoli??

Didnt Commolli get the thumbs up from FSG after winning the carling cup? N he got sacked. I very much doubt kenny will be in charge next season. Why wud John Henry give a damn about what Kenny has done for the club in the past? He is looking towards the future, n i do not think kenny is the way forward.
Indian Buzzer

Well it was after the Carling Cup final when things started to get worse for us. So you're wrong there Tel 1949...

Red PG

23 Apr 2012 20:08:03
hey eds im going to watch liverpool legends vs cheltnham legends and i know jan molby is playing any idea who else is playing? {Ed002's Note - None, sorry.}

23 Apr 2012 20:03:36
I know this is a results business but come on, is this the Liverpool way, 'Hire and Fire' without giving the manager time to build? Where would the Mancs be now if they had shown Taggart the door after one full season? And what do we do when you all get your wish and KK is moved on and the next guy has a poor first season, sack him next?
For feks sake, let KK have a chance to finish what he quite clearly started and put this once mighty club back where it belongs. Two Wembley finals and hopefully two bits of silverware. That to me is a pretty good start.
The Goatherder
JFT96

True, but we are on 46 points.....

Guess it just goes back to what is the bar for measuring success. Winning the Carling Cup? Hardly. FA Cup a little better, but no chance of that one against a resurgent Chelsea. I think the league is what we are judged by and that has been a nightmare.

23 Apr 2012 19:56:20
I've noticed that when we get to the final third the players lose composure and the oppositions defence has organised itself. I feel we desperately lack creativity in the wings and a striker with pace and great movement. We don't send enough players into the box at one time, almost as if they are afraid to concede, but concede anyway.

Vik

We lack urgency! our build up play is to long and predictable and as you said Vik give's time for the other team to organise it's self!

23 Apr 2012 19:54:18
Ed, you seem to know alot about potential managers, and their situations, i.e whether they have been contacted or not, or if they are available.
What i would like to know is, who do you know we may have lined up, or who we have approached?
thanks a lot ed, really appreciate it... {Ed002's Note - I have no idea which Ed this is aimed at.}

23 apr 2012 19:52:57
xabi alonso please please please......................

I agree. Ofcourse, there is the little issue of him playing for a top class team.....perhaps when he is close to retirement, say in 5 years.

23 Apr 2012 19:32:35
I wanted to say a few points and get the Ed's or Macca's outlook if possible.

I don't think there is too much that needs changing to make our team a far better side then it is. If you look at the way we dominate games with possession, chances etc. Is it not just a case of getting some great quality in, which could help us be far more clinical in front of goal.

I read an article the other day going through the points we have thrown away, in games when we had everything there to just steam roll the opposition!

From what I am reading it sounds like KK will go anyhow even though I don't think it would be the correct thing to do.

With this in mind, I would like to find out why people feel Rafa is a step back? Yes he bought garbage! He also brought us in some real class. His worst season was at a point when our beloved club were at an all-time low and being dragged through the mud in the media by two bloody clowns!!

He is tactically astute and got so much out of players like Gerrard, Carra, Masch etc.

Yes he made a mistake with Alonso but he wasn't the same for two seasons after that injury from Lampards tackle.

People go on about the money he wasted, if I remember rightly our net spend was always very low from player sales and apart from the money on Torres and Masch, he was always left frustrated because he had to sell in order to buy.

I for one think that a Rafa in charge now with money to spend would make it count!

Is it the right move....I'm not so sure.

You look at what Klopp has done at Dortmund. They play fast flowing free football. He does it as his cap states for the love of the game. He would be an excellent manager for us and fits in with the type of young hungry manager FSG are possibly looking at.

The other has to be Unai Emery. Unsure if he speaks fluent English which I think can be a problem. He has also done miracles with Valencia on a budget and also the loss of some key quality players. again young and hungry manager. Not sure of the type of football they play.

I think the final one would be either Joachim Loew or Laurent Blanc. Whether they could be enticed away from their national posts I am not sure. They are both quality managers and Loew certainly gives youth a chance. Blanc done wonders with Bordeaux.

I would love to know what peoples thoughts are on our current manager KK and the potentials that may take the Anfield hot seat?

Jon LFC

Its a tough one, i think he really needed to make top four in the eyes of the owners, i fear for the future if managers are to get one season to get it right. I dont personally feel the money spent in the summer was wasteful! Carroll was certainly way over priced and as other teams have shown we could have bought a more clinical finisher for a fraction of the price, Not Carroll's fault and he has made strides in his improvement of late. Downing for me is a very good player, has had his off days as has everyone, seeing him live on many occasions this season and have come away feeling like he has played very well, only for some of his efforts going to waste with a lack of options in the final third. Henderson is no wide man and this has clearly affected the lads confidence over the season! He has alot of potential. Adam hasn't quiet been the player i think we all hoped for and perhaps tries too much to be Xabi when he should simplify his game. I was no fan of Lucas for his first 2.5 years at the club like many but he matured grately, and we have missed him.Enrique is good but really gets me when again tries to do far to much, he has started to get himself tangled up and caught out in recent games. Suarez is a smashing player but as Enrique does to much to often when he could be helping others into the game! When he gets it right its he is unstoppable.Bellers is a hard worker and good player when fit. Thats Kennys lot. Skrtel is the player we bought after 2 average seasons, Agger is top draw, Johnson is a good player and think he has played well of late. Carra (we all know he is on the decline) Pepe is fed up i think! Jonjo is our future, he is fantastic. Kuyt i have respect for, Kelly very good, will grow more and more into the side. I'll leave it there.
3 more signings and some shooting practice and were in the mix

23 Apr 2012 19:29:11
I believe that Kenny has done some great work at the club since being at the club. I went yesterday and i thought we played some good stuff. I think that Henderson is improving all the time and for me is a real future Englnd player.

I just hope that if Kenny goes in the summer which i dont want to happen, that his hard work isnt undone. I mean he as undoubetdly improved the squad but we have had no luck in the league at all. Our cup form is sublime. Some of our football has been real good and i dont think we are far from greatness. For me i think he as made some good signings but needs next season to improve the squad even more. If a new manager comes in and our younger players dont get a chance then we are back to square one.

One player that has to go is Kuyt i mean however he is a striker is beyond belief, because his finishing is shocking. Aurelio and Johnson i would get rid off. Johnson is not good enough at right back, he is defensively to weak.

Downing is inconsistent but i do like him when he is on form and is a very good player to keep.

My question to the eds if a new manager comes in surely he will want his own players and the player we have lined up might be pointless. Will our targets change?

Mighty reds {Ed002's Note - There is plenty of time to figure all of this out and you might be overplaying any players being "lined up".}

23 Apr 2012 19:22:13
I'd like us to be going for Huntelaar, Robben and Afellay,
but i can see us opting for de Jong, Ramirez and Phillips.

Suarez - Huntelaar/de Jong
Bellamy - Lucas - Gerrard - Robben/Ramirez
Enrique - Agger - Skrtel - Kelly
Reina

Carroll
Downing - Afellay/Phillips
Adam - Shelvey - Henderson
Robinson - Coates - Carragher - Flanagan
Gulcasi

I can see us getting the second option for each signing

Robben and Huntelaar are pipe dreams. Affelay may come since he can't seem to stay healthy for two consecutive games, and needs someone to take a chance on him. De Jong....not sure. Ramirez? Not a chance. Phillips...hmmm. Smells like a Kenny type to me.

23 Apr 2012 19:20:16
If we win the Fa Cup and then sack Daglish.
The new Manager coming in will have some job on?
John Henry " We've sacked our previous Manager KK after just one full Season as he failed miserably and could only manage to win 2 out of the 3 competitions we entered." long silence, John Henry " Well AVB what's your answer, will you take the job?" :))))))))

kidmillions {Ed002's Note - I rather think you are missing the point about what the objective was for this season. It was very clearly qualification for the Champions League - and we have known that since day one.}

Kidmillions, you unreserved support of KK is admirable, but KK has not achieved objective number one for the season, which was to get back in the Champions League. We're closer to relegation than 4th place, which is not good enough.

RedSG

Yes, Ed002! What you say is 100% correct, but you would still go a long way to see a manager in his first full season sacked after winning 2 trophies. Outside of Chelsea of course.

The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - Chelsea have never done that of course.}

Fair point kidmillions

Bill S

That is what so many fans just cannot comprehend. The remit was top 4. We're not top 4. Mission failed. Simple.

Ash

8 place after 100mil spent. worst lge performance in over 50 years is why dalglish should go. fa cup not won yet!!
5gold stars

So Ash from now any manager comes in and fails top 4 in his first season should be SACKED {Ed002's Note - If you are not bright enough to see the difference between not making top four, fighting for top four, and having a real poor league campaign you are never going to grasp the expectations and ramifications of not achieving them.}

Thanks Ed. Couldn't have put it better myself!

Ash

I am not missing the point, of course the league and our finishing position? is important. I am more making the point as to how many so called supporters and posters are pulling failed Managers name's out the hat and advocating change for the sake of change and not thinking it through. Only time,faith and patience and massive support for the current manager and players will see us through this period in our History.
kidmillions

I agree totally kidmillions, we need stability and time for growth.
Derry Red

Ed002 is right. Mission top4 failed, kenny needs to go.
Indian Buzzer

23 Apr 2012 19:19:00
seen a few posts and articles linking us with chelsea's kalou. hope we dont get him because he is like a lot of players we already have good goin forward and attacking but poor finisher (chances to goal convertion rate crap) so hope we dont get him he isnt wot we need...redman matt

23 Apr 2012 19:15:11
Evening all.

I would just like to make a few points.

First off, well done to Everton on the weekend! Great come back for the 4-4, however.....it pains me to say United will still win the league. No matter how good City play next week, they will not win! Why do I say this? Partly because the referee for that game is going to be Andre Marriner! (Do some research on United's record with Marriner as the ref.....looks like more than a coincidence to me......check it out for yourself) that's all I will say on that matter.

Secondly, I feel for Wolves and Terry Connor! I wish them well for the future! Yes, they are bottom....and there's the saying....'the league table doesnt lie' personally I don't think that's entirely true! Why the building of a stadium that wasn't necessary? Why sack McCarthy, mess Steve Bruce about and dilly dally with Curbishley?? All that to go with shall I say moments of dodgyness in the season! 'The league table doesnt lie?' Hmmmm

Now to our beloved Reds. To me, there's been more to this season and going on at the club that meets the eye in my opinion! Something is seriously wrong, and needs to be fixed asap! Yes, it looks like Kenny may only our manager till the end of this season (I think this will come back to bite us later btw) however, I support him still will continue to do so whatever happens! He has taken so much flak and I feel for the man! Even the sacked Comolli has apparently stuck the knife in by allegedly quoting that he wanted Mata but Kenny prefered Downing! Even if it is true, why say it now?!

What's worse to me is the division that we reds have formed between each other over various issues! If we can't even stick together and respect each other and our manager, then we can't really expect it from anyone else! Especially when it comes to other teams/fans and sections of the media that already don't like LFC!

I'm praying for us to win the FA Cup, fingers crossed we do exactly that! Love LFC forever!

Y.N.W.A

K. Bennett

Ps, I know this post is controversial but its how I see things. Feel free to comment, agree or disagree. But this is my opinion so please don't slate me for it. Thanks all

23 Apr 2012 19:14:35
Hi Ed i want know did there is any progress to bring in replacement for commoli. do u think lfc make any signing before euro. hw much budget u expect will be given to new manager for new signing. thanx {Ed002's Note - We have no answers to any of these questions.}

23 Apr 2012 19:03:37
hi ed is it true pacco and one of rafas backroom staff returned today {Ed002's Note - No idea, sorry. Twitter was this?}

23 Apr 2012 19:01:58
just an idea and am open to opinions, but would it not be a good idea for us to bring in a new manager(my preference is rafa) and then to have kk as assistant. then you would have the managerial ability of rafa and kenny to make them wantv to play. Just a suggestion.

23 Apr 2012 19:01:53
hey eds

do you think we might get a spanish manager {Ed002's Note - No idea, sorry.}

23 Apr 2012 18:50:40
hey eds

any chance in gomez if carroll leaves {Ed002's Note - I doubt it.}

I dream it.
AnfieldUSA

23 Apr 2012 18:46:47
2 cup wins would be a successful season. When you look back at the history of a club it is the amount of trophies that matters, not the amount of times we finished inside the top 4.

Obviously champions league is important and if we'd had a better finisher and some more luck, we could have easily been right up there this season.

If we were fourth or close fifth right now would you still be calling for Kennys head?

He can get us back up there. We need continuity, a couple of top class signings and a good start to next season to get players playing with confidence again and the goals will start flowing.

Fergie played a blinder against us with the Suarez saga and it was there and then that our season got de-railed.

I truly believe that if that episode and all the connected negativity from the press (and FA) had not happened then we'd be in a much healthier position in the league.

Keep faith in Kenny and keep faith in our institution. Karma will soon be on our side.

Simsimo

Agree that much is good about this team, especially defensively and with Lucas fit. I am not entirely sure that finishing is our biggest issue, and I wonder whether the poor goals/chances created ratio stems from our build-up play.
We certainly create a huge number of chances, but how many of our misses are due to poor finishing? On Sunday we had 28 goal attempts, but only Kuyt's miss could be counted as a bad miss. Throughout the season, most of our misses fall into the following categories:
- Suarez narrowly misses after creating his own chance after long mazy run / often off balance
- Carroll headed chance from static position
- shots from midfielder blocked by defender in congested penalty area
- speculative shots from players with limited passing options
It seems to me that its the sort of chances we are creating that are the problem, not the finishing itself.
What is also interesting is that we score freely in the cups, and tend to play better in faster-paced, more evenly contested games. Finishing seems not to be an issue in these games.
It seems to me that the problems stem from our build up play. We are composed and patient until we reach the final third, allowing the opposition to organise itself. Then we hit a brick wall and lose our composure rather than continue the patient approach of teasing the opponent out of position, we snatch at a chance, or cross to Carroll (who is either standing still in the penalty area and heavily marked, or not there at all), or we pin our hopes on some single-handed Suarez magic. Effectively we have the worst of all worlds � slow build-up in the middle of the pitch comfort zone, flustered and direct in a congested final third. All of this far more likely to happen in one-sided league game at Anfield against teams outside the top 10.
The problem stems from the 2011 summer recruitment. Individually not bad signings at all, but collectively poor. Enrique, Henderson, Adam, and Downing � the common theme is that they are all sourced from the lower half of the PL table, from teams who do not play patient build-up football against teams who park the bus�. We should probably not be surprised that these players, when put in the same team together, struggle to find the killer ball, or prefer to pass backwards rather than lose the ball.
Maybe the answer then is to invest in an intelligent midfielder who can sit alongside Lucas, and organise our build-up play. Someone who can spot gaps appearing, dictate the tempo, decide when to be direct, and when to swith the play, and help drag opponents out of position. With a limited transfer budget, perhaps this is the place to invest and invest heavily. I still think that the Carroll/Suarez partnership has a lot to offer, and they have suffered a great deal as a result of our easy-on-the-eye / easy-on-the-opponents� build-up play.
One of our greatest strengths could be that we can combine the pass and move short passing game with a more direct physical approach. We are a long way off a successful combination here, but we need a brain in the middle of the pitch to combine these approaches effectively, and I suspect that then the finishing would take care of itself.

Would love some thoughts Ed's?

Chuck Norris

Yeah I agree with alot of that chuck. Last summer's recruitment I think was primary to get some young English players who should step up to the next level in the next couple of years.
This provides us with the 'homegrown' back bone of a squad and hopefully now it is a case of adding a couple of top quality, canny and creative players each season as well as promoting the best of our youngsters when they're ready.

Simsimo

We need a quality Goal Hanger! or possibly 2.
kidmillions

Agreed chuck how about deigo with lucas?

23 Apr 2012 18:43:27
Ed. Do you think that Steve Clarke will leave in the summer if Kenny Dalglish steps down? {Ed002's Note - I really don't know but there is a good chance.}

Steve Clark done great job with the defence

23 Apr 2012 18:32:02
Did the kids win today heard John Henry was at the match

You do know there is a official site with all the news on the game?

23 Apr 2012 18:14:05
feel really sorry for Terry Connor. had to get it off my chest, seeing him nearly in tears yesterday yet remaining dignified takes a lot.

23 Apr 2012 17:55:59
Liverpool have had a poor run of form this season, in the league, but our cup run has been spectacular and I fully expect us to win a second piece of silverware.

the main concern is that next season we need to up our game in the league, and whether Kenny Daglish is the right man to do that or not remains to be seen. Personally I think that the king is ruining the reputation he developped as a player by making the club finish lower and lower in the table. Arguably Liverpool's best era in the premier league was with Rafa and I want him back!

The matter of players who haven't really made a good impact needs to be resolved too. In my opinion the players that need to find jobs elsewhere are;

Jordan Henderson - been poor for the majority of the season appart from a couple of exceptional performances, he odesn't fit in with the way we play at the club. A colossal waste of money.

Doni - worth a try on a free from Roma but has never really made the cut

Jay Spearing - Spearing has been given his chance at the club now and I think his time is up, he should look elsewhere

Joe Cole - Agin, worth a go on a free transfer but it never really worked for him

We need to bring in a fresh haul of attaking force, keeping the defence the same. We have a very good defence at full strength and building from there we can go pretty far with the club. The players whoever the manager is at the time needs to bring in are moderatly experienced, quality, pacy players. My list would be as follows;

Clint Dempsey (Fulham) £15m
Gyulfi Siggurdson (Hoffenhiem) £10m
Yohan Cabaye (Newcastle United) £12m
Feranando Torres (Chelsea) £30m

They all come to the club for their reasons, and most would slot into my start XI, that is as follows;

Reina
Enrique Agger Skrtel Johnson
Cabaye Gerrard
Downing Dempsey Suarez
Torres
Bench; Jones, Kelly, Caragher, Adam, Lucas, Maxi, Carroll

Suarez could adopt the wide right position he used to play during his time with Ajax, Dempsey being allowed a free role.

Please feel free to tell me what you think;
TheManWithNoName

TheManWithNoBrain would be a better name. Lucas on the bench, Torres 30 million. You have Enrique down as right back and Johnson left back..

EPIC FAIL!

Cabaye and Torres are unrealistic signings. The other two would improve our team but not to the extent that we need - they'd be more options to go for once we've got who we need in the squad. I think we're crying out for two things; some pace and guile on the wing, and someone to put the ball in the net. 2 players like Munian and Soldado if we aim high, or Hoilett and Bent if we don't, would take our team to the next level. No need for a mass overhaul, just a couple of personnel changes, and a change in belief and attitude

Red Ollie

And were is the 10 million siggurson not even on the bench well thought man
fagan81

Jordan Henderson has rightly been "exceptional" when he is played in his natural position. He just needs a bit more confidence in his game, I would disagree that he doesn't fit our style as he is very much a pass and move player. Trouble is he is always passing backwards and needs a bit more courage to find those killer balls that we know he can do, but he is clearly just afraid to make a mistake. Bearing in mind he is only young, this isn't all that surprising being at the most successful club in England. He can only improve and we'd be mad to sell him.

Doni. It's unfair to say he hasn't made the cut, he has barely had the opportunity to prove himself. If he wants to stay as back-up, that is his own doing, but if he wants more regular football then he must go elsewhere, I'm sure Jones would gladly accept the second choice slot.

Spearing is a good squad player. He can be a bit naive but there is no questioning his commitment. Sometimes his commitment clouds his judgement, but with time I think he will refine himself into a good player, much like Lucas, and no we have fallen apart without him. I wouldn't want to part with wee Jay.

Cole. Yes, I'll give you this one. Not really anything to say here, he has won all the major domestic trophies here with Chelsea, why would he want to come back to a club finishing 8th, maybe 7th if we're lucky, maybe lower if we're unlucky. He would be better to stay in France, it's rare to have an Englishman abroad so best of luck to him in that endeavour.

I think it's safe to say some of our attacking play has been beautifully created but lacks any conviction at the end of it. For that reason, we do need to beef up the attack but not by a fresh haul.

Clint Dempsey. I would be hesitant. He is a wonderful player, no doubt. Adam looked equally great at Blackpool, but I don't really need to comment how he has handled his transition. Konchesky looked good for Fulham, and he was even worse for us. I almost wouldn't want to ruin his success at Fulham, because I don't think he'd be half the player for us. It's never enjoyable to watch a good player struggle, (Carroll, Torres) and I would want to avoid that scenario with Clint.

Sigguardson. Not bad shout, but 10m? No thank you.

Cabaye. He may well have champions league with Newcastle, it would practically be a step down for him, why would he take it? Newcastle are in no position or need to sell anybody else to us, we should leave their club alone. Unless you wish to throw silly money around AGAIN and make embarrass ourselves in the transfer market AGAIN.

Torres. Laughable, especially for £30m. I'd take him for £15m, so that the profit would effectively negate Carroll's transfer. That being said, I'd expect a public apology from Torres. Does he deserve a second chance? That's not really our place to say. Even then, there are better strikers for £15m at this moment in time

Mr controversy

Newcastle fan here. Cabaye would not want to leave for Liverpool, no disrespect.

The problem is that Kenny signed too many players and they need time to gel. Caroll will come good next season, but the service needs to be better for him.

Spending silly money is not the way forward for Liverpool, and your owners may not want another season of failure - failure in the sense of no CL football which lets face it is where they want to be.

Cup sucess aside this season has been poor for you boys, but I can safely say I would trade the league cup you won for a CL place.

23 Apr 2012 17:37:51
if we have no director of football and if all is believed Kenny will be stepping aside why are people still stating certain players are coming.

Who is picking these players?

The truth is if we are having a change in DOF and manager they will have their own ideas so unless we are talking about young players for the future I would not think we are looking at signing anyone!

kev the red

23 Apr 2012 17:21:01
hey eds

in my lifetime the best liverpool have played is when they has a spanish manager and alot of spanish and south american players, did we sign these players because of rafa and why did we stop because we were doing well with them? (ino we still have a few)

also do you see us getting a spanish or south american manager?

Your not to old then ?
red rrab

We signed Enrique (Spanish), Suarez and Coates (Uruguayan) in the season and a half that Dalglish has been manager. In Rafa's last two seasons he only bought 2 Spanish players, Ayala and Riera.
We therefore never stopped buying Spanish and South American players as you assume, we have in fact bought more.

Most of them ain't that post on here!
Lee73

23 Apr 2012 17:30:52
What do you think, is Torres a possible signing this summer? We would all love him to come back again.

No no no no no no no nnnnnnnooooooooooooo!

Don't start this again!

davethebutcher

If you want to have players that don't want to play for the club then have him. Personally I would prefer players that want to play for Liverpool football Club! Also have you noticed that he's not that good anymore!

I would gladly take him back if he was good enough but he isn't the same lightning Torres that was here a few years ago and does he represent good value for money at his age no he doesn't

23 Apr 2012 17:28:53
What happened in the reserves match?

Lost 2-1. Suso sent off

Yip and ave never seen anybody sent of for a tackle like tht before,safe to ay that ref will never make it
mrbrown

23 apr 2012 17:17:04
hi. huge changes are to be made in the summer so im told 6-7 players to leave new fresh blood in im not talking about average players winning players. l.f.c red

I will beleive it when i see them on sky sports sighning on the dotted line, holding up a liverpool shirt out side the shankley gates

23 Apr 2012 17:08:42
I am amazed by the way some people are putting names like Roberto Martinez or Brendon Rodgers to replace Kenny. Oh wait a minute why not Steve Keane, Owen Coyle or Mick McCarthy.

Wtf is these people thinking we are searching for someone who can replace the famous mighty Kenny Dalglish. Who himself despite been the fact King at Anfield can't handle the job then how on earth Roberto Martinez [his team fighting relegation + the problem is not not playing beautiful football but not getting the results] or Brendon Rodgers [another mid table team playing some neat football] will handle the job.

Liverpool should find a manger of high caliber, who is established or have enough experience at club football level to replace Dalglish as manager. If we can't get one then be it stick with Dalglish for gods sake not Martinez, Rodgers or like wise.

Bosco

The sad thing is we mostly play good attacking football but unfortunately with no end product (Goals) even tho we have tons of chances personally i dont think kenny could do more as a manager as its down to the players to score the goals and the coaches to fix their accuracy

the Bailiff

What's the issue with less recognised managers? Be honest every high profile manager has ha the boot from a club or two in no other business would they continue to get work.
I'd rather try an up and coming manager without a history of getting the sack as after all if we continue to follow the pack with the usual names we will never get to lead by winning the title.
We must innovate and try the best applicant we can attract rather than employing a name and the same goes for signing players lets look at those that are up and coming Newcastle have done this well and in my opinion been quite lucky with some o their signings but shows what smart preparation and analysis can do in the transfer market

@ the Bailiff:

Yeah, so lets sell the under performing not scoring strikers at the club, Carroll & Kuyt and replace them with striker who can score goals, problem solved.. eh!

Carroll out Soldado in, Kuyt out De Jong in. + Ramirez and Matt Philips.

Next season we score twice the goals we scored this year.and we will be in top4

Will up coming so called young managers have the guts to manage high profile big name players at the club like Gerrard, Pepe, Carragher. Look what happened at Chelsea!
+ What is so special about this Martinez, and Rodgers, where are there teams in the table, we are not searching for some manager to make us play great passing fluid football, we are already playing nice football but the problem is getting the results. Goal scoring.
And speaking of Newcastle situation, you know what? one reason Alan Pardew and his team getting it right is the fact that they are playing with no pressure atm. Before season started their aim was to stay in BPL but they started strong and started moving forward, they have nothing to loose even if they fail to reach UCL or Europe so the players have really nothing to be feared off atm.

Here at Liverpool being a bigger club who ever comes would need to carry us at least to top 4 level that would be huge pressure especially for someone young.
Roy Hodgson with experience can't handle it then?

If the type of young enthusiastic manager you are talking about is I guess someone like Jurgen Klopp, Unai Emery,or Pepe Guardiola then I completely agree with you but plz not with Roberto Martinez or Brendon Rodgers.

Bosco

Mourinho or pep would be perfect but obviously unlikely I would like unai emery or marcel bielsa

By this logic, Chelsea should immediately sack Di Matteo since he has previously managed MK Dons, and replace him with, say, Capello, who previously managed Milan - woo hoo!

Real life doesn't work like that. It's the young, energetic types with something to prove who often make the best hires.

I like Houghton, classy man and great manager very underrated

With what he did at Newcastle bringing them back up with record points then taking over a very unsettled birmingham and getting them to the playoffs is a great achievement. I would back him to bring them back up too. Extremely underrated. Not saying we will go for him but credit where it is due. Slimboy

23 Apr 2012 17:04:00
Just a thought, a previous poster commented that the Mancs started out as a cup team - and he's right. They became a force to be reckoned with when their youth policy produced Gary Neville, Phil Neville, Scholes, Giggs, Beckham and Butt amongst others. Sure they bought some in, but then again we bought Sterling in and the kid we've just got from Crewe. Perhaps this is where our salvation lies and not with who we can persuade to join us. We all mention the names on here we all know who these kids are, here's to the day they lead us back up the table.

Monty The Red

Monty the Red

Well said mate I think this is spot on. We need to be patient and work with the youth and add only a couple of quality signings. Regardless of whether we stick with Kenny lfc need to remember to be patient and support our youth

The driving forces on the pitch for the first championship MU side were players Ferguson bought from other clubs - Schmeichel, Cantona, Keane, etc - not the youngsters you refer to.

23 Apr 2012 16:57:10
Evening eds and fellow reds ,after maccas post about big changes in summer .what do you think the best way forward for our club would be .a big name manager with cv or a up and coming manager with youth ? Just thinking back to owners saying they won't us back up at the top in 3-5years.cheers psv

It's got to be an up and comin manager all established managers have been sacked by many clubs we need a fresh thinker that has his own philosophy and a clear vision for the future that we allow them to see through not like Chelsea and avb.
We need to do things differently to our rivals if we want to catch up and overtake them in our performance and that's is a fact

Stick with Kenny, he'll win us the league sooner rather than later.

23 Apr 2012 16:54:47
Eds, do you think kenny will stay on? I not who do you see as a realistic replacement at the moment?
Do you see carra being pushed away from playing and further towards coaching and the bootroom soon?

Boswell {Ed002's Note - No and I don't know.}

23 Apr 2012 16:40:28
Hi ed's/macca if Kenny's steps down in the summer or is fired what type of manager will we be looking for a young up and coming manager who will be given time to build a good young squad or a top manager who is already out there who has the pedigree to be successful at the top level thanks great work keep it up
YNWA
Greg.

23 Apr 2012 16:33:31
Hi eds, After watching most of the games this season I think we are in need of a big shuffle. Is it just me that thinks Stevie G is way past his best and we should be looking for a replacement. i don't see Shelvey being that replacement too. Even if we do win the FA cup our league position is embarrassing. I believe we need a whole new midfield and at least two strikers. I would be worried about Lucas hitting the road running from the start of the season, our crosses and goals from left and right midfield have been shocking and with Stevie G under par there is no way Shelvey, Henderson or Adam are fit to fill his boots even on a bad day. I know there will be a big exodus of players leaving but I hope we can keep hold of our big names. As for strikers we need a lazy box player, Im not gonna throw the usual names your way because I can honestly say I have not watched them enough but a modern day Gary Lineker would suit us. Just someone who can be in the right place in the right time. Do you know of any players like this who we are looking at? Also what do you think of the chances that Suso and Sterling will step up next year? We have a reputation of over protecting our kids of late and I would like us to use the Arsenal or Barca approach and give them games at the highest level and see if the come out swimming.

Tom from Birmingham

23 Apr 2012 16:28:22
Who saw Damien Comolli sack coming? No one, even the eds,macca and the press. No one
Who knows who the next Mgr will be?No one
Who knows who the next DoF will be ? No one
We can only keep guessing exactly who, but one thing we all know is that CHANGE LOOMS, BIG TIME.

Wales

Very interesting post here Wales, and you know, you may just be right. Commollis sacking was not reported anywhere to my knowledge before it happened. Liverpool certainly run a VERY tight ship these days thats for sure

Personally I pray that we keep kenny as all he needs is a little luck and a couple of quality strikers to rotate with Suarez and Carroll. He is a winner.

I get a little down when everyone makes the assumption that Kenny is going, personally I think hes done well in his first season back. We can build on what hes done, hopefully bringing some younger lads in

Strange that kenny wasnt at the u18s game today though, and I also understand that our owner was there....or am I too becoming a scare monger ?

I hope not....
tel 1949

23 Apr 2012 16:19:51
Does any 1 no Wots Charlie Adam as done & wen will he be back {Ed002's Note - He has an injured knee and will probably not be back this season.}

23 Apr 2012 16:09:35
ed how many players do you think liverpool will sign in the summer and do you think matt phillips or adam johnson will be any of them signings? {Ed002's Note - There is no point in guessing at a number. There is a chance that one of the players could sign.}

Wigan's James McCarthy please...

23 Apr 2012 16:05:38
Edd what is the most amount of people that have visited the page in 1 24 hour period and how many visits on average every day. Because obviously there will be people that visit but dont post i visited for long time b4 my 1st post please answer cheers. STEMLOCC1 {Ed002's Note - 180k is the maximum for the Liverpool page - taht is the only number I have.}

23 Apr 2012 16:03:43
Posted by a Gooner on another website. I have to say i completley agree.

"I'd rather finish 8th with two trophies". In many respects, as a fan I agree with that. Having watched Arsenal be reprehensibly bad at times during the 1993 season in the league I still look back fondly on it due to the two cup wins.

But, it did not mask the deficiencies in George Graham's side for me either. I saw a downward slope, and we carried on that slide until George left...Liverpool be warned. I see similarities.

Anyway, as unromantic as this next point is, it is wholly practical. 8th and the Carling Cup and FA Cup? Or 3rd with no trophies? As sad as this is the equation is:

8th + 2 cups = £1.9m in prize money from the cups

3rd = £20m in Champions League revenue.

The five-place gap in the table also adds up to around £4m more prize money (£800,000 per place as far as I can ascertain via Google) going to 3rd than 8th. So the financial gap is approximately £22m. (Or a Stewart Downing). There is also the "best players want to play in the Champions League" argument as well of course when it comes to squad strengthening.

So, as exciting as winning trophies is, and as a Gooner I am envious, the practicality is that 8th for a club with the outgoings and aspirations of Liverpool is a failure being masked by cup success. I would anticipate that this is also the thinking of the owners, who stated at the start of the season that they wanted Liverpool back in the Champions League - and I don't think their motivation was all about the glory.

El Pistolero

Spot on Mate, absolutely correct!
Excellent post!

Cheers
Bosco

Good post but the owners are also conscious of developing the brand name that is LFC worldwide. Winning Cups, although not a huge cash input, do give a massive boost to the worldwide marketing image of our wonderful club.

We are still in the embryo stage for our owners, they may well be VERY happy with winning cups for the time being, who knows ?

Tel 1949

Money does not equate to success. It is winning trophies that matters. Bosco, please go and 'support' someone else, preferably a club that never win anything.

Red Owl

23 Apr 2012 16:02:51
ed, am i right in thinking that Suso's red card for the reserves means that he will be banned for 3 first-team games, meaning it will be unlikely he make a run out this season? (He will miss Norwich, Fulham and the FA Cup Final) {Ed002's Note - It would depend if it was given for violent conduct or not to start but realistically it will be reserve games he will be banned for as he has not been in the first team this season. That does not mean he can be picked for the first team though.}

23 Apr 2012 16:00:22
would Jose Mourinho think about coming to liverpool this summer? if kenny goes mourinho would like the fact to make liverpool top dogs again

It has been said that if Mourinho won the La Liga and the CL then his work at Madrid will be done! He'd take the Liverpool job as he see's bringing the title back to LFC as his biggest challenge and if he succeeded his greatest achievement! He did have his heart set on being our manager in 04 but the job went to Rafa!

Dont think he'd enjoy being at a mid table club.

JK92

A mid table club that have 5 European cups solid financial backing and have got to 2 cup finals in one season

We have had a bad year but don't be silly with stupid comments like that

On the contrary, we are exactly the type of club any sensible manager would want to join.

If you go to the team that just finished top of the table, you are only likely to disappoint.

Any Manager who goes to a club that's just sacked their Manager after winning 2 cups is on a hiding to nothing.
kidmillions

Dont like him.But him with financial backing(If we have it)is only way.Look at the mans record!Soon forget dislike if he did same with us.Cant believe some Reds

TSO only goes to clubs with great squads which had a slightly down season...he's allowed to add big names to these great squads and then wins a league or CL title and is then proclaimed a messiah...anyone could see that the Inter squad he inherited had world class players every position and he still added the most clinical striker in the world at the time in Eto'o. Then he goes to Real again with another world class squad and was clearly second last year...but management gave him another year and he will win the league as Barca has been injured and run out of gas and perhaps the CL and will be called a messiah again...he has no idea how to manage a rebuilding team...and he has mentioned in the past he will not manage Liverpool for reasons that he keeps to himself...

23 Apr 2012 15:47:45
glen johnson is staying

Says who?

No thanx, Dont need him.
Indian Buzzer

23 Apr 2012 15:36:50
Just a little thought in my head. Sterling always plays LW for reserves, our first team has a 20M LW ( downing )
Today from his rest the other week, Sterling has so far played 70mins at RW.
Does anyone think maybe kenny has asked to see him on that side? After yesterday against WB he is probably tired of people cutting inside! and want to see if raheem can cross instead of always coming in?

Im proberly reading way much into this but work is dead and i like to ponder my thoughts!

( also if anyone wants Ngoo in the first team, theyre mad, hes not very good IMO )

Ben the red

Possible and also to see Nathan on the left, but neither are starters for us yet! I think we cut in too much and believe Riera did it after starting quite well and whether told to by Rafa, I don't know.

Get a good winger to play on the right and Sterling next season, could be on the bench for cover.

Ed what is the news on Eccleston, is he staying or earmarked to leave? Not sure if he is good enough, but there is something about his play that makes you look up and take notice! Tweet aside that is!

Keith

Personally I like 1 winger who wanders like silva or mata the kind of player who can pick up the ball between the lines and who will offer a lot of width and hugs the touch line your kind of traditional wide man

23 Apr 2012 15:20:58
right people, can we stop saying martinez for manager, he is and will never be good enough, if the team are to progress then we need a manager with pedigree at the top level, martinez is not what is being looked at so stop with these stupid rumours

He is and will never be good enough?
NotInTheKnow

23 Apr 2012 15:05:52
If any other manager had been doing as bad as Dalglish in the league yous would all be calling for his head.

Dalglish is a legend but he has to go.

I still want to think we are a good winger and striker or two and injury suspension free season away from a decent side, but can understand frustrations atm, we just aren't good enough!

Keith

Yeh your right, in his first season back he has taken us to Wembley twice and already won one Cup. If we win the FA cup we could then have a chance of the Charity Shield. As you say, a terrible season eh..... no named person ?

tel 1949

Maybe not a terrible season, but when the goal before the season was clearly Champions League qualification, clearly this has been an unsuccessful season.

-Red Socks

Redsocks maybe its Tels age,but he cant get that mate

23 Apr 2012 15:01:58
Hi Eds
John Henry attended the reserves match against man. U. i think he would have been very impressed by some of the young lads. i get the impression we will see the likes of Susso, Coady, Wisdom, Robinson, and of course Sterling, (who was absent from the above match)
play a more prominent role in the first team team next season.
I've no idea why he arrived last week. I could guess and suggest talks with certain groups/investors of the stadium plans and the regeneration may have been the main priority and visiting the reserves game at the academy,
might have had no real significance other than taking an interest in the clubs resources but I'm sure he will want to give them some first team experience next season and that will be a true acid test of their ability and confidence and personalties.
it's been long time since someone has came through ranks and made a big impact. I think Stevie G was the last one. I am convinced some of the above named can be great players for us. yes we need a top striker and a play maker with first team experience. These are the two areas we are desperately short of real quality, and if we have had them this season we would have without any doubt, qualified for the champions league. we don't need to bring in another 5 or 6 players in. this will mean because of funds, we
will buy two or three players who are no better then what we have now and possibly two decent players.
There is no way we will spend loads of money this summer. The increase in the capacity of Anfield is top of the Americans priorities. This will bring in the extra revenue that will provide funds for transfers and other related costs associated with Liverpool FC
In not to far distance,the Fenway group will want to see some financial benefit for their investment. the current situation will not provide the profit margins the group are looking for, to run the club as a successful business.
the maximum number of players we need is three.
1 top class striker if louis stays
1 winger/playmaker. sterling and Downing to cover.
1 central midfielder someone with a bit of steel and vision to their game and preferably someone of a offensive mindset. Gerrard, Shelvey and spearing to cover. No disrespect to stevie G. Fantastic player on of the best the premiership has ever seen. however is best days are behind him, saying that I'm sure he is still capable of putting in a few top class performances, but not on a regular basis.

We are not as bad as people make out and if we had a striker and decent play maker now and of course had have not hit the woodwork so often we would be in the top four that's for sure.
we have played some great football and put in great performances this season and deserve more points than we have right now. yes the're have been a few poor performances but many it's the finishing that's let us down. So in essence its been mainly good performances, some great performances and few poor performances. This has been the case for most of the top 6 or 7 teams in the premier league. No one has been great all season. Standards are falling in the league ,because of to much money , no loyalty from players, greedy conniving agents and a sport that has become less accessible to the average person, the real fans.

We need a new manager with fresh ideas and like the great Bill Shankly did, revolutionise things ,we need to move on from the 70's, 80's and 90's. It's a different game from then, so much has changed, players running clubs, managers been sacked at a drop of hat, the media are dictating so much in the game, clubs folding or going into administration. even the most famous football competition is to be changed the FA has decided is to scrap the 3pm kick off to benefit the commercially. it's criminal what these b**tards are doing to the game. Just to line their sneaky,conniving, horrible,pockets.
Anyway a manger who can deal with the never ending changes in the game and a manager who has good foresight to possible changes and outcomes and a man who can spot a decent player and connects with the fans, and importantly a manger who can deal with players and has the respect of the players, and finally a manager with great vision, motivation and determination. who this manger is i don't know, but it's the man we need. Someone who will bring in a new way for a brand new era, that will see us dominating Europe again and a brand of football that the rest of the foot-balling world are envious of, but who are full of admiration.

I loved KK as a player and think he did a great job first time round as manger. But i don't think he can he can cut it now and I feel he is trying to re-event the good old days, but things have moved on and in some aspects KK has not and his methods are probably no applicable for the modern game.

there is something a foot with the back room staff, i just don't think there methods are moving the players on. that's just me and it's how i see it.

I am not contradicting myself by saying we need a new manager, when I've stated we have not done as bad as people have made out. KK has done a good job, not great but OK. At least he got us into 2 finals so I'm grateful for that. I will always have lots of time for KK and hope he gets a job up stairs, but i feel we need a change in direction and build some new foundations and we want a man who is strong and will be his own man and not a puppet. KK is no puppet before you say anything.

We will win the FA cup on the 5th. KK has the magic influence over Chelsea and Im' confident this will continue on that day. So the're is still some celebration to be had before the season ends.

Here's to the future.
Red Robin

If Kenny was to go at the end of the season, for whatever reason, I would personally choose Frank Rijkaard as his successor. He's still pretty young for a manager, strong presence/personallity, has a vision, he likes his teams to play with strength, versatility and fluiditity. He would be a good choice for me with Johan Cruyff or Tixi Begiristain as the Director of Football (if there was to be one). {Ed005's Note - Rijkaard was ruled out a while ago for numerous reasons to do with his personal life.}

23 Apr 2012 14:22:18
just wondering.last summer we had a buy homegrown policy as our squad lacked homegrown players.accordind to some FA/EUFA rule.my question is how many homegrown players have newcastle,since they sold there homegrown players to us for nearly 40 mill.and bought never mind non british but non EU players.out of our yes OUR money.and what is the penalty of having a low homegrown number in your squad if any... {Ed002's Note - You need to perhaps read up on the rules. In simple terms the squad with a maximum size of 21 players over 21 can have a maximum of 17 non home grown players. And for the purposes of that Adam is not home grown.}

23 Apr 2012 14:21:27
I'd like to wish Chelsea the best of luck against Barca.

First, they were knocked out by Barca a few years ago due to refereeing decisions. Barca deserve some payback. Overrated team.

Second, it will make our job in the Cup final easier if Chelsea are distracted by the CL final.

Or could give them more confidence going into the FA Cup final!

MR EM

On the contrary, Chelsea are not going to care about the FA Cup if they make the CL final. The CL is the holy grail for Chelsea, and their owner. It has been for years.

And this will probably be the last real chance for Lampard, Terry, and certainly Drogba. They are not likely to qualify for next year.

Certainly, I'm shocked that Newcastle would most likely finish 4th. They've used our money in an absolutely superb way. :(
YNWA trustme

So you think that if Chelsea get in the CL final that they'll just roll over in the FA cup final? I agree that the CL is Abramovich's holy grail but the FA cup is the biggest domestic cup final in the world! and Chelsea are just going to hand it to us if they get in the CL final! I'd think again!

On the contrary, of course they will still care about the FA Cup, do your really expect them to throw away an FA cup final to rest players for a game 2 weeks later? Sorry mate but your talking nonsense!

MR EM

Agree with the OP, hoping for a Chelsea win vs Barca, and then for them to be hammered in the final,

I can't stand the amount of diving and play acting, crowding around the ref, tapping up players etc. that Barca do,

CL for Chelsea would be wayyyy bigger then a FA Cup final,

Ska-oop

It's not a matter of rolling over. If it's so simple to win FA Cup and CL in same season - how many teams have done it?

Only one I can think of - ManU in 1999. And they did not rely on a bunch of 30-somethings.

I would rather they play their best against us in the FA Cup and we still win and they are so tired they lose the CL final...here's hoping hehe...

23 Apr 2012 14:17:30
Weve done it before,lets do it again.Show the plastic flag Chavs real,original flags and passion.With riot of noise and colour, from real fans 5th May

Just like our fans did yesterday, we need to be behind the team at all times not just cup games and finals, the atmospheres vs inparticular wigan and West Brom were shockingly bad. I see your point and I agree but it needs to be done every game because believe it or not it can affect what happens on the pitch and I really believe those bad atmospheres during the Wigan and West Brom games contributed to the results.

I go,lad above and it wasnt that bad.Ok it can be but by same token,you wont get a 2005 semi atmosphere every game.This fan slagging of those who go every week has to stop

23 Apr 2012 14:14:58
Kenny will staying, to bring in a new MANAGER the owners know only too well they would have to provide a massive budget for new players, pay off Kenny and all his backroom staff. Deal with unrest and most definitely transfer requests from some of our better players and all this upheavel after just one season?
If the new Manager is then unsuccessful after one or at most two seasons? They the owners, will then be at fault for not seeing it through with Kenny and will surely get the height of abuse from fans, Especially on this site. Admittedly our league position is not great but we are work in progress and the possibility of 2 Cups in Kenny's first full Season in charge, is in my book definitely progress.
I think the owners are intelligent men and will let the project Kenny started run for at least one more season.
kidmillions

That ship has sailed. There is going to be top to bottom clear-out. That much is obvious.

Move on.

Look kidmillions most of your posts are just dumb, makes no sense. Post something more sensible next time!

Cheers

Bosco

Bosco do'snt like you Kidmillion's!

Bosco might be a bit dim but his heart is in the right place; I think?
kidmillions

Kid millions is totally correct. Instability would be disastrous for our club.

Red Owl

23 Apr 2012 13:49:17
Raheem Sterling starting for the reserves! Look forward to watch the reserves and u18s more than I do the 1st team these days!

RedSG

23 Apr 2012 13:38:38
Hey eds, I was wondering if you guys have heard whether interviews have begun to find our next DOF? Also, when he is appointed, is he likely to be the one tasked with finding what seems inevitable to be a new manager for next season, or will the owners handle this themselves?

Thanks in advance.

DownUnderRed. {Ed002's Note - I really have no idea. Sorry.}

23 Apr 2012 13:34:26
All this talk about yesterdays game. You can believe what you want about the performance but there are two inescapable facts in football -
Play poorly and win and you're in with a chance of the Premiership, which is why the Mancs have a chance of their 20th title.
Play well and lose and you have a chance of being relegated - or in our case finish in mid-table.

The cups ARE a bonus, but top players won't sign because they might win a Carling Cup medal - they've probably don't know what it is in Spain or Italy. They sign for Champions League football, we should have concentrated on the league, lets face it if Newcastle (no disrespect) can give themselves a shot at the top four then we should be doing the same.

Also our transfer policy of getting in young English players who can be developed and then sold on is fine - but at times you need to take a punt and take a bit of a risk. Three names - Ba, Pogrebnyak and Jelavic - three players LFC would never have bought but who are putting in a better shift than our strikers.

Monty the Red

The Mancs under Fergie, started as a 'cup team', why can't we? What annoys me is, at times we have looked a really good side, like against Arsenal recently, but still lost and not sure what we need to do to cure it! We played reasonably well yesterday and still lost!

Keith

Keith we need to find natural goalscorer's! that should remedy it! Apart from the cup game's nothing has gone right for Kenny! Maybe playing more attractive football but it's a result's buisness and our result's this year in the league have been the worst for 58 year's! FSG will take action!

We sadly lack creativity in the middle too. Adam and Downing are not the answer.

We also lack clinical finishing up front, and pace/width on the right.

Jonesred

Jones red

23 Apr 2012 13:29:37
There is a saying that goes " look back but don't stare". As a football club we are in danger of staring at past gloriries of KK. KK is a liverpool legend and a childhood hero for me. He is not up to the job of getting the best out of a Liverpool squad though. We have some great players on their day but there is a lack of belief and determination in our side. At the start of the season I thought 5th would be a realistic target and yet we are miles away in terms of points and performance.

If we win the FA cup it changes nothing to the fact we are incredibaly inconsistant and have failed to improve this year in the league. I just hope the yanks have the courage to get KK to resign so we can get a management team that knows how to get the best out of our resources. This is something that KK and Steve Clarke have failed to do consistantly.

Sorry guys, I feel a bit like I've shot father Christmas. The thing is I love LFC more than KK and cannot stomach another season of excuses and EFC being above us.

"The thing is I love LFC more than KK and cannot stomach another season of excuses and EFC being above us."

Spot on Mate.
May be we can forgive Kenny, for our awful league form this season, but not anymore no matter we win the double or not.

Dalglish really need to leave to keep our very beloved & uttermost respect intact.

Bosco

It's people like you we have no need of Bosco.

Red Owl

23 Apr 2012 13:17:16
Don't know if any one watched match of the day last night, personally I think they got it spot on we're a top 8 side and we need 4 or 5 players just to be a champions league team! We really need to spend on players who can produce now. Yes we're building for the future but if we fall behind our future stars will want to leave, to play champions league football. With no UEFA cup this year I really thought we would have a good crack at the league. it's been disappointing but I am a red and and will stick by liverpool football club regardless!

I don't want a non entity chav like Lily Savage telling it to me though thanks.

23 Apr 2012 13:14:14
Look people. We have won 5 of the last 17. and in those five games Kuyt has NOT played, that tells you everything you need to know. Fans say he works hard NOT TRUE, if you bother to read stats on miles run during a game, he never comes in the top 5. Henderson, Suarez and Johnson are cover the most ground. So all this rubbish about working hard to terrible.
We just need anyone to replace a man, that misses sitters, gives the ball away ALL the time, can't control it and moans about not playing. If Kenny continues to play him, he will lose his job, so go on then Kenny, keep it up. Only one 5 in 17, they are the games he's missed lol wake up and smell the dutch coffee.

Couldn't agree more mate, I've been saying it for the last 2 years. A pal of mine said he liked Kuyt because he runs around a lot. Well so did Robbie Savage and I wouldn't want him either. Kuyt can't trap a bag of cement, his passing is woeful and he misses so many chances. Now for the positives..........er can't think of any!

Maxi was top of the stats at half time for most miles covered.
Don't like stats myself, there's no substitute for skill on a football field. Hard workers are 10 a penny.
kidmillions

I think Kuyt's faults are, he's no longer good enough for the position his is being asked to play, but as 4th striker I wouldn't mind him getting another year at the club!

Keith

Totally agree i have been saying it for years, even when Rafa was in charge Dirk is just an awful player, when the ball comes to him the more often than not the move breaks down. cant pass, cant cross, cant shoot, cant score.

13 goals 8 assists (9th in the prem) last season. Poor this year and probably past his use by date, but if you were saying that last year you were clearly not paying attention.

I have been saying the same thing seasons ago,cant pass ,his second touch is a tackle his 3rd touch is a foul,i cant remember ever seeing kuyt run past and beating a player,his shooting is poor he must have his boots on the wrong feet.

23 Apr 2012 13:13:11
Ah I think I give up on Liverpool. I no longer am. Supporting them when they play Henderson and Suarez. They're both awful players who don't know how to score a simple goal. Any suggestions to who are similar to Liverpool to support? Someone who can win at least 2 games in a row preferable.
JamesYNWA.

James i would reccomend Barcelona but they lost at the weekend..Blackpool are on a cracking run.

You won't be missed

Chris in Tamworth

Chelsea! They're mostly plastic fans like you!

Personaly i will support Liverpool no matter what, through the good and bad times.

PS, Why do you sign off with YNWA when you have absolutely no idea of the meaning?

MR EM

Ho-hum go follow who you like. Sounds like you'll never be a SUPPORTER of anyone though

cozinoz

Do us true LFC supporters a favour an h*** off, we really dont need plastics like you james.........

RED4lifeNOTjust4XMAS

Yes james , support anyone you like , but please dont support lpool , because your type are not wanted , and never will be.................lfc

What a total disgrace!!
Jog on!

MR EM, you do realise that the club existed before Roman? and that we were winning trophies and in the Champions League, Chelsea pre Roman is ahead of where Liverpool is now pal,

And we are plastic fans?, yet it is people on YOUR page on about changing clubs

SHED END

Hi! James please don't put YNWA after your name! It's disrespectful. You ask is their any teams similar to Liverpool FC. Well James I can tell you there isn't. Win,Lose or Draw to support the Reds is the best feeling in the World.
If your not getting this feeling? You will never be a true Red.
I have a good friend who supports Tranmere Rovers. He wishes that things would have been different and he supported Liverpool but he will never desert Tranmere. I totally respect him and supporters like him more than fickle fans like you.
kidmillions

Not sure, but is James being a tad sarcastic in the OP?

Keith

I think your the original poster SHED END!

SHED END

In terms of trophy's we are a country mile ahead of where you are ''pal''!

But never mind, when Roman gets fed up you can go back and support Fulham like you used too!

And you may note it is ONE fan, whom is being slaughtered by the rest of us, i note that you had a certain ''pinky'' (Chelsea fan) that spent all last week slagging off Chelsea, so get your own house in order before mouthing off again!

MR EM

Y o y o your on your own

Shed end Bell for short !!! Why are you always on our site ???


Baz F

Bye James!

K. Bennett

23 Apr 2012 12:54:33
Eds a lot of people making stories by using mates in laws parents milkman drivers etc for refrences are they reliable or just kidding us... {Ed002's Note - Typically milkmen are very reliable.}

23 Apr 2012 12:54:05
Does macca have any info or opinion on whether he thinks Suarez will be sold in the summer.
Thanks
MC

I think he will stay at the club.

However:

If Kenny goes there is a very big chance Suarez might decide to jump off the ship.


Armando

If an offer of over 30mil come's in Luis will be sold!

23 Apr 2012 12:52:21
What can Fenway do NOW (not if/when we get new stadia) to raise the sizeable amount of cash to buy a world class striker, mifielder, right winger?Really wonder how we can compete.

23 Apr 2012 12:22:26
I fell in love with LFC watching them as a star struck 4 or 5 year old on the telly (I'm now fortunate enough to get to a few games). My wife tells me I'm just the same star struck kid now, well over 30 years later. I love my club and unashamedly, I love Kenny, he was my hero then and still is now, that will never change.
Loyalties declared, here's my honest opinion :
Football is about 2 things - Stopping the opposition scoring and scoring goals.
Our defence is close to the meanest in the prem and I confidently say would have been the meanest if Lucas had not been injured.
We create as much if not more than any other team in the prem and have done it with a fairly attractive style of football on the whole.
We are some clinical finishing / new striker or 2 away from being at least in the top four.
No wholesale changes needed.
One cup(at least), 2 cup finals which has been amazing.
I am disappointed with our return in the league and yes Kenny has made mistakes on and off the field, he knows that too I'm sure, however, we would be crazy not to give it another season and a new striker or two.
Derry Red.

Well said derry red
purdy skins

Couldn't agree more I was the same after watching 74 Cup Final - spent my school years with us being very successful but love club more than ever and getting to games more often even though 400 mile round trip.
We are just a goalscorer short of a very good side don't tell me Man U and Chelsea etc have better teams or squads. Man U without Rooney would be mid table fact

Time to give KK another full season with a couple of new top quality players in the summer and with a good start to season we can win the league. I am glad he has bought British but need someone quality from overseas.

Got me ticket To FA Cup Final hope it is as good a day at Wembley for Carling Cup and Semi-Final it cost me enough and could have had a holiday instead!

If it doesn't work out next season then Mourinho must be the man as think he would love to win league with Liverpool just not sure how many years he would stay. Rafa didn't take club forward and it won't happen overnight even with KK

Think we need a new stadium to compete in long term with some legroom!

We have completely outplayed teams like WBA and Norwich and no complaints if both games were 6-1. Most of those complaining don't even watch the games. The atmosphere wasn't great yesterday but WBA must have been quietest fans seen this season and they sat down the whole game!

In KK we trust!

YNWA JFT96

Here Here!

Stone YNWA.

Great two mickey mouse finals

goooooooooner

Gooooner, do we really need to discuss your trophy record ?? More importantly, Arsenal minus RVP = ? I think that you should be more worried about your own team next season than ours this...
Derry Red

And what trophy have you got gooooooooner?

Goooooooooooooner F.a. Cup mickey mouse, really?! Yeah and the mickey mouse cup that yous couldn't even win mate!

7 years and counting for the gunners!
Kev79

Totally agree with Derry Red!

And gooner, I obviously have missed something. Arsenal won what cup? And when? Enjoy your open top bus parade to celebrate your league position and accumulating (x) amount of millions that you will probably never spend! Enjoy son, enjoy. While your at it, make sure to catch the FA Cup final on tv. A team in red will be playing, and no it won't be you lot! Sorry mate!

K. Bennett

23 Apr 2012 12:22:06
Its no secret that our poor form, especially at home, has been because of the loss of Lucas, the attacking midfielders feel that they have to defend more as they dont trust Spearing as much as Lucas. We have a poor squad in comparison with even Newcastle, who to be fair have gotten themselves in to a position that even the most die hard Geordie would have expected at the start of the season. I dont enjoy watching us anymore, we seem too predictable and our midfield dont conjour up enough, because of Spearing. Most teams play better football than us and I am scratching my head as to why....Maybe we are just a cup team now and we all need to be realistic and know that it will take years to get back to the top of the premier league tree!

Neilos

Spearing is not a good enough replacement for Lucas, yet ! He has really impressed but is obviously still learning ( as Lucas was ).However, your point that we don't create enough ? Really ? Have you watched the team play ?

23 Apr 2012 12:12:21
Hey eds/macca is there any confirmed news on the kits for next year? {Ed002's Note - Only that it will be red. Feel free to share that on KopTalk, Facebook and Twitter. We may as well get an exclusive whilst the chance exists.}

23 Apr 2012 12:04:54
Not even going to comment on the West Brom game, as it is not worth it, we lost pure and simple, done, that's what the records say.

23 Apr 2012 12:04:34
Hi fellow reds

I've been reading lots of posts about Kenny moving on or into a director of football roll. Many of you are saying He should be sacked. Well Kenny loves this club and I'm sure if he felt the clubs best interest where that he stood down he would. I for one have huge respect for this man. Roy was in charge last season and yes it may well prove that we finish in a lower league position than we did last year. But two things first we have one the carling cup and we are in the final of the FA cup these are both massive achivments and large steps in the right direction. Second I'm not sure how many of the people that want Keeny out watched us play last season under Roy. But I for one can see the stats that are now being produced by the players yesterday was a perfect example 30 shots on goal just unable to convert our chances. Yes we can all see a striker is a matter of urgency but Kenny will sort that this summer we also need to remember we have lost last seasons player of the year in Lucas he has been a big loss but when have you heard Kenny moaning about the players that are injured he is our manager and we should get behind him and trust him just like the owners. YNWA Kenny Liverpool legend

23 Apr 2012 12:01:48
If Kenny was to make way/step down/relieved of duties/fired/sacked i'd prefer Laudrup or AVB to come in as manager for two years until Klinsmann finishes with the USA team after the 2014 WC.

AVB? Are you serious?

cozinoz

What a strange post.

I agree, i think Laudrup would be a really interesting choice as boss, although my first choice would be van gaal

So you want to hire a manager for two years regardless of what he does in them two years to then replace him with someone else... Genius someone get this poster on the board !

G BOX

If Kenny were too go at the end of the season, I would like to see Michael Laudrup given a go. Not only for two years though! That's mental!

davethebutcher

23 Apr 2012 12:00:35
Why are the LFC blind amongst us busy stating we battered WBA and we look a good footballing side so we just need a player or two!.....what?!......has that not been the case all season?....have we not battered most teams?....trouble is there is one small point your all missing.....playing well is all well and good but were in it to win it not to lose ffs........weve lost a hell of a lot of games and drawn a fair few too but really....are we going to go through this same nonsense of making excuses next season too if its the same?......or do i have to wait till im 95 to see the project finished and the work in progress finally done?....
What is wrong with you people were Liverpool football club for Beardsleys sake!, were not a project or a work in progress, were supposed to be one of the top football clubs in the world!....Imagine if pep left Barca and the spanish came out with ahh well itll be 20 years odd before we challenge again now were a work in progress for a new manager...theyd be rioting.........It seems not only does our league position say were verging on being a mid table side but our attitude is stinking of it too.....Someone at the club needs to get their finger out and tell us about the stadium and their plans for next season and we as fans need to start having some pride in our club and demanding better..........That history we keep bleating on about to all and sundry might be in a long distant past if were not careful.....and dont get me started on a team in the position we are in the league commanding a personal tv station.........Big changes needed not the tinkering some think will get us challenging..........Rant over
YNWA JFT96 The Guv 81-9

Big changes set us back a year. The new manager will want his own staff and possibly new players and tactics. The new team might need a year to gel. We might not get 4th or any cups. Consequently, we will hear 'sack the manager' from posters like you and before long we will have turned into Chelsea.
Keep calm, have patience and give Kenny another season to get his plan perfected. It's not as if this season has been entirely unproductive

cozinoz

Yes we are Liverpool football club ! But that doesn't mean guaranteed success ! We must earn it through hard work on and off the pitch !

Like it or not due to bad owners/previous managers we are rebuilding, step by step we will get back there, we are playing good football but need a striker and a winger. We can not just splash out 300 million and be challenging for the league it's not that simple. Next season will be the same I'm sure, lots of high and lows, but soon enough we will be back challenging for the champions league, and in it to win it, not to just make the numbers up.

G BOX

Too many just looking at the league table and shouting!!
The football we play and the style we play it in. Is really really important. Too many times in the past our Dreams have been built on sand. Kenny is in the process of laying down firm foundations.
It's the only way we are going to see sustained success. It won't happen overnight.
kidmillions

Kidmillions, people will 'look at the table and shout' because at the start of the season the objective was to get top four, and with the emergence of Newcastle and Spurs (the last last couple of years), we're further off that than we were last season. Yes at times we've played some great stuff and the foundations may well have been laid, but people will always upset with our league standing because, as I already said, at the start of the season, Top 4 was the target, and with that in mind, we have vastly underachieved in the league. 

It is not just merely people shouting without knowing what they are talking about. Folks have a right to be upset with our league form/position, it has been/is terrible.

davethebutcher

23 Apr 2012 11:55:24
There are currently 3 managers working in the PL who have actually won a championship in England. Kenny Dalglish is the youngest of these managers & the only one to do it with two different clubs. You all watched Rafa Benitez for 6 years without winning anything except that first lucky Champions league Trophy with Houllier's team, playing the most dower boring football. I cannot believe that any real LFC fan could even consider wanting to get rid of Kenny. If the new manager doesn't make a good start new year will be be calling for his head after a few months. The very least Kenny deserves is one more year, & that's if he wants it.

Joek

Well said.

Joek! We also won the FA cup with Rafa! We were also in the latter stage's of the CL 5 time's out of 6 and it was'nt all Houllier's team! remember a little player called Luis Garcia! well he had a big say in getting us to the final! along with Nunez Josemi and last but not least Alonso!

23 Apr 2012 11:13:01
Eds no rush on kenny but what about a return of rafa
is it totally out of the question
kind regards {Ed002's Note - Personally, I would not hold my breath over the return of Benitez.}

23 Apr 2012 12:29:53
Just thought I would throw my opinions in regard Kenny etc. I read an interview with Tom Werner some time ago when he made it clear they were drawn to EPL on the back of the TV revenue from the Champions League final. These people are in business to make money, clearly they could have done so by buying stock well, or investing in a wide range of things but they choose sports. They see it as both money making and have a degree of interest in sport. My opinion is that they will have set targets and the main one will be top four finish. This has been missed by a wide margin, I really don't think the cups will matter greatly they want champs league nothing less, and to win both this and the EPL. This would make the clubs value go up and satisfy their desire to win while making a profit. People talk about Kenny spending so much money, others that we got money for players and so its on net spend he will be judged. Think of it this way, I need a better car to use less fuel and be more reliable, I sell my car for £10,000 and buy one for £15,000 net spend £5,000, if that car fails to do what I require of it then I have failed regardless of how you add the numbers. The owners will, I think be that calculating they do not know enough about the game to judge by hunches and performances. My opinion is Kenny will not be manager next season, also they will not go backwards again to an old manager like Rafa it will be a different way forward sadly I have no information other than what I feel, like most of us we know nothing of the inner workings of the club. Just hope they get it right, this summer is pivotal in our history.

23 Apr 2012 12:17:39
Throw money at Mourinho
Give him 50-60 mill to spend
Title would be won within 3 years

Simple isn't it?

No thanks, Maureen needs a bigger budget than that

Add an extra zero and Mourinho might be interested. He'll then spend the money and leave us in a few years with an ageing squad that needs completely rebuilding.

23 Apr 2012 12:14:50
I can't believe some supporters living on past glories. For a club like LFC to go over 20years without a title, tells me we are still a long way off what is required to even compete for the title. The new owners have also recognised this and are ready to make big changes with some of last years signings going. The big changes thou are going to be in the management side, with KD, SC,KK and some other backroom staff getting the boot. I will say thou, winning one trophy and a possible second, will take some of the pain out of it. Our only battle now is being able to attract the right kind of player as world class palyers want CL football. In my eye's, we need to change a large chunk of the team and bring in some of the youth who keep getting mentioned for being great palyers. KD, if these players are good enough, then why not use them as the team you put out on a pitch, is simply not performing. To me, the likes of henderson, adam, spearing, and carragher need to either moved on or retire. The summer spending is also going to mean extra revenue will be needed to get the right players with yet again Ian Aire doing plenty in the beackground to bring in the extra money. All in all, a complete shake up of the club is needed and one that the supporters deserve.

23 Apr 2012 11:42:14
Hi eds, just a general question to anyone who might have information, when can we expect to see the new warrior kit? Other clubs are starting to launch their kits but there isn't a peep from Liverpool.
Cheers {Ed001's Note - no date has been decided, impossible to even guess as I have no idea how Warrior work.}

Warrior don't work-tried contacting U.S. head office via email to no avail.-S.A. -pudlian.
Maybe eds can help? {Ed002's Note - It is not up to Warrior to decide. The club will unveil the kit when the time is right giving due consideration to the contract with Adidas. I suspect around the time of the last home game will be most likely - so perhaps around May 8 and perhaps worn for the Chelsea game.}

23 Apr 2012 11:28:45
Liverpool team next season - i hope:

Reina
Johnson Skrtel Agger Enrique
Gerrard Lucas
Sigurdsson
Suarez Gaitan
Huntelaar

IN:
Huntelaar (£20 mil)
Gaitan (£15 mil)
Sigurdsson (£12 mil)
Gargano (£15 mil)
Affellay/Adam Johnson (£15 mil)

Total Spent £77million

OUT:
Kuyt (£10 mil)
Maxi (£7 mil)
Aurelio (£3 mil)
Carroll (£15 mil)
Aquilani (£15 mil)
Cole (£8 mil)
Shelvey (Loan)
Spearing (Loan)
Wilson (Loan)

Total £58 million

Net Spend - £19 million ?BARGAIN?
Cmon reds we can win the title easy with this team.

£58 million coming in? Afraid not! Kuyt, Maxi, Cole, and Aurelio will raise less than £5 million combined. Aquilani is going for £7 million and the only club who would pay £15 million for Carroll would be Newcastle and that would be dependant on them qualifying for the Champions league.

HJ

Adam Johnson n Afellay r overrated mate. Why wud huntelaar come to us?
Indian Buzzer

HA HA HA thats so funny. I just hope you keep king kenny.
Anfield Warrior.

Your out valuations need to be looked at, as I gave up at Aurelio for £3m and I was already close to it after Kuyt for £10m!

Keith

Dependant on whether Redknapp goes to England, but if he stays Spurs will offer around £20m for Carroll. Fenerbace are also interested.

Aurelio is out of contract

Wouldn't say Affelay is over rated at all.

He'd be great on the right. Admittedly he has been out injured for awhile, but we did spend 35 million on a player who was injured.

Affelay would only cost 4-10 million, so for me he's a must.

We sadly lack a pacey skill full RW. Which is what Affelay is.

Huntelaar would be another good buy as well as Gaitan. Haven't seen Gargano play so don't know anything about him.

Sigurdson at 12 million wouldn't be for me decent player, but so was Adam in a small team and can't stand him.
Complete liability with his poor tackling and I don't think he's been that good.


Jonesred

Its common knowledge Kuyt will leave for as little as 1m, Aurelio will leave for free, Maxi will be 1-2m and cole will be 4 mil at a guess.

23 Apr 2012 11:28:09
To the real kb, I noticed yesterday you replied to a post regarding my team (tottenham)! just so you know mate, & eds btw, although a very entertaining site, most of us spurs fans use some very popular spurs sites eg, mehsth, ggth & swro, to which I am a member, the third one swro, I have been a member of for two years in fact a founder member! We have been ridiculed, mocked, insulted & ridiculed....but we kept on, the site is an anti redknapp site, we have been asked "why do you want him out of your club? Hes done this and that for you!", well its because promises he makes don't happen, its because he its forever putting down his own fans, even those stupid enough to support him during his court appearances! Hes continually slates the team, to which now there had been in-house fighting, hes fallen out with adebayor, walker, lennon & kaboul...to name a few, all of these matters are being addressed, in one form or another redknapp will not be at spurs next year! Most spurs fans are discussing the situation amongst other spurs fans hence the reason why our rumours page is quiet! Even myself I tend not to read our rumours and gossip page! ( sorry eds), I tend to chat on other teams pages ( apart from dial squares woolwich wonders ) but I like the chat & the banter, with the more knowledgable fans, when its matters of my club im off into our sites, so its not a case of it being silent theres simply no one who really goes there, as for leaving out harry's inability to do his day to day job and why hes so poor! all I can say is, if he takes the england job ..... god help us! you will all see what we' ve been moaning about! I hope no one rtakes offence as to what I've written?
Sir billy nick
P.s written on my phone so it may sound double dutch? But cheers kb and chat to you soon

Not a Spurs fan obviously, but why did you lot stop playing when Capello lost his job, as I thought it was down to worrying about Harry leaving or was it just coincidence?

Keith

Hiya SBN mate,
Good to hear it's not just us lot up in arms then !
But, seriously, I'm pi55ed off at the players at Liverpool more than anything. It's like their heads go when we get 15 yards in front of goal. I really do lament the poor quality of reserve team football these days, cos some of them need sticking in the rezzies for a month or two. It's like there's no fall-back for managers anymore. Even the players you mentioned at Spurs there. Once over, they'd have been stuck straight in the reserves and not seen the light of day until they got their heads sorted. Nowadays, the managers hands are tied. And you have unhappy players around the squad.
I've just been reading Geoff Twentyman's book (old time LFC scout), and some of the reserve teams Liverpool put out, they're stronger than our current lot.

Anyway, I don't know about Harry but you know where I stand with King Kenny. Who'll always be our King.
It's gonna be an interesting Summer mate. Keep eating the pie, mash and liquor eh.
The Real KB

Cheers kb, the pie n mash thing! I did tell you the liquor was boiled juices from eels? anyway harry, bale won't talk to him, king wants nothing to do with him, hes made ledders play 10 & counting more games than he should of this season! Its only because of his love of the club that hes played 7! Any other team I think he would have said hes too injured? even scotty parker can't seem to talk to harry anymore, as I said sherwood and sir les have to take part in team talks cause people dont want to listen to harry, we're losing modric in the summer for what were told is silly money? two or three goals and four asists isn't brilliant hes received the ball more than anyother premier league player so if someone is dumb enough to pay what levy wants because of that then more fool them! I've said be
fore I dont think kenny is our was right for you! You need need a jol

The Irish ladies in the pie & mash shop did tell me about the liquor. It's alright with plenty of vinegar on.
Man, I'm very surprised with the Harry Redknapp situation at Spurs.
And Modric. Chelsea or Man Utd, I presume ?
How much, over £30m ?
The Real KB

Not sure mate tbh would prefer man utd to be honest their normally gullible enough to pay what levy wants! Although its been reported we have two offers from spain? in saying he (modric) has not been as disruptive as he was at the start of the season, but we will see? Next time your down mate a nice plate if jellied eels??

I'm staying off the jellied eels.
I dont know what would be worse, eating them or Martin Jol as next Liverpool manager.
The Real KB

Sorry mate I didn't mean martin jol it was actually my phone cutting off, what I meant was that at the time martin jol was exactly what we needed and that it might be what you need now? I remember (g)hod coming back to manage us, the return of the king of kings, but it wasn't what we needed and so I think like hoddle was for us dalglish is for you?

Did Hoddle get you to two cup finals ?
The Real KB {Ed002's Note - Could be a great shout KB with Hoddle being avai;able right now.}

He might be putting in for the Chelsea job though ed. Don't want to deprive you of your old boy.
The Real KB

No mate not us, think it was chelsea?

23 Apr 2012 11:13:51
What seems glaringly obvious to me is the lack of tempo and urgency ,we started the game in a relaxed and laid back mindset .I hate to say it but utd come at teams from the outset with that arrogance that this is old Trafford and you will be beaten and most of the time teams comply .We used to have that but gradually it is being eroded little by little .We have to start games against the likes of WBA as if we are a goal down ,rip into them and pile on the pressure ,once we start doing this results will take care of themselves .We are not far away from being contenders ,the Liverpool of four years ago would of won the prem this yr and with a couple of canny signings and use of certain reserve team players judiciously we will be roaring next year ,that will ignite the crowd and that will lift the team and so it builds .It IS GONNA HAPPEN ! Simmo 71

I've thought this for a while (the go in with a goal down mentality) but wouldn't we suffer burnout at the end of matches, especially as we are inclined to look tired at times?

We do have a problem of not counter attacking in force, numbers and pace. Are we worrying too much about their counter attack? I remember Downing recently, charging forward and putting a cross in and yet no player was really in the box to get on the pass!

Keith

23 Apr 2012 11:13:42
I was at the game yesterday and although it took us a while to get going yesterday we played well enough to have won the game six times over.

Having read the posts I would agree that a poacher like Jelavic or Cisse may ahve helped in the transfer window but it is no good to cry over spilt milk now- we will learn our lesson and strenghten with better quality in summer

Until then LAY OFF KENNY!

What is the guarantee with Dalglish in charge! Just another 100m or so to be wasted.....

Bosco

23 Apr 2012 11:11:40
Liverpool Season 2011/2012

Titles:
Carling Cup
FA Cup (maybe)

League Position:
7th - 10th

My verdict:
good in the Cup's, bad in the League

Area's to improve:

1. Striker - Soldado, Muniain, Ayew
2. Winger(right/left) - Krasic, A. Johnson, Lennon, Willian, Ramirez
3. Playmaker - Belhanda, Eriksen, Herrera, Sigurdsson, Kagawa

My wish:

In:
Soldado - 22m
Ayew - 16m
Ramirez - 12m
Kagawa - 15m

Out:
A.Carroll £12m.
G.Johnson £10m.
D.Kuyt £1m.
R.Maxi (free).
A.Doni (free).
F.Aur�lio (free).
J.Cole £3m.
A.Aquilani £6m.

Stichi

23 Apr 2012 11:05:59
watching MOTD last night i felt sick when they referred to our match Vs west brom as ''a mid table clash'', because they were right :/

Motd is full of losers. also i don't want to wait till 10-11 at night just to watch us lose against west bloody brom.

Even worse having to listen to a non entity like Robbie Savage make comments about Liverpool. Yes a couple of years ago our midfield had Alonso and Mascherano in it and now it doesn't. Fair enough. But not a mention of the damage done by Hicks and Gillett and how it will take atleast 3 years to get over that.

23 Apr 2012 10:41:30
Oh and a big cheer for Maxi, playing really well at the moment. Cheers.

Red7.

23 Apr 2012 10:37:48
I would like some advice please. I've been a avid Liverpool fan for 20+ and recently when I go to anfield or talk to other Liverpool supporters I meet I feel down and out. Our magic saying is you'll never walk alone but right now I feel like I M walking alone :( Can anyone please give me a pick up?
JamesYNWA

Thats the way the players make me feel as well

23 Apr 2012 10:29:59
Wrong players bought. Wrong tactics. Wrong coach.
Yet the players bought would work in a different team. Albeit with a less expensive price tag.
Comolli wrong DOF ?
Will we know the truth about that ?
Wrong manager.
Great players rarely make great managers.

I dont think he is the wrong manager the players all like him and want to do well for him but he will probably go at the end of the season i just hope if we sell are better players then we make shore we do what teams do to us and change over the odds
danny

23 Apr 2012 10:22:37
I believe we need a 'fox in the box' player, but as i think gerrard needs replacing, cabaye of newcastle looks like he could that player who could replace him. Yes, I could be saying this of one performance against stoke at the weekend. But I've watched him alot this season and think he is a great player.

What do all you guys think?

Why would he come to liverpool newcastle have a better team and a way better manager.

And a dirty player too. Really though? are you for real?

I think your Special

The player you want to replace Gerrard is a more DM not a creative one

And Gerrard is still our best midfield player by a long way

He may not be able to carry the team anymore but gerrard is not finished just yet and another thing this guy from Newcastle will not be able to carry the team

Not happening.

Cabaye is a fine player, who was a driving force for Lille and is doing the same job for NUFC. Makes you wonder what Comolli was doing in his office, when NUFC were getting very good players from his homeland for relative peanuts.

He is not a Gerrard replacement for me, as they're different types of player.

RedSG

Our midfield is not the real problem upfront & the wings is where the problem lies. Take Suarez & Bellamy, Maxi [the latte not being regulars] away the rest is crap.

No need of buying Cabaye now we could have got him when he is at Lille. Now leave him to flourish at Newcastle. We have good enough midfielders Lucas, Hendo & Shelvey to replace Stevei. And Adam, Spearing who can be a very good backup.

Bosco

The whole team is the problem.

23 Apr 2012 10:20:39
Eds do you think Kenny will still be manager for the FA cup final even if we loose our remaining league games. {Ed002's Note - I have explained ad nauseum what I expect.}

And very nauseous it is too ed !
The Real KB

23 Apr 2012 10:14:52
What are people like saying 'I wouldnt take Mourhino at LFC...we dont need him!'....really? we dont need a manager with a proven track record who wins things everywhere he goes and when he does finally leave we'll likely be in a much stronger squad position due to top quality signings and confidence?...not to mention likely top 4 regulars again..........Nooooooo we dont want that do we, lets get in an unproven manager who hasnt done it at the top level like AVB who quite clearly worked at Chelsea or like Brendan rodgers, no disrespect to the man but hasnt dealt with top names of the quality we require to be challenging..........
I can never get my head around some of our fans, Im nearly 39 ive followed this club since i was a nipper and i for one am sick of us being labelled a project for the future or a club in transition, lets get some proven winners here instead of buying potential that never works, if you want 20 goals a season plus buy a sergio aguero or a gomez, if you want a proven manager that regularly wins things get a Mourhino or a Hiddink,
Im pleased KK has come back and at least had us back at Wembley 3 times and possibly two trophies but the games changed and so has our club, I hate to say it but just take a look at our tv channel......its getting nowt short of ridiculous, we constantly play repeats of when we were great and when we do have a phone in session anyone with any balls to say what they mean arent allowed on for fear of upsetting one of the old school legends and their valued opinions............
I love Kenny and all he's done for this club he deserves our utmost respect for everything, but IF he does leave lets not be saying we dont want Mourhino! as i for one am struggling to come up with a list of managers any better.........
Oh and for the record before the Rafa brigade start.....I love the man too but cant you remember all the dodgy team selections and players out of position never mind the losing it after leading the way once old fergie started with the mind games again.........he had his good times but he had more than a few bad ones too bad owners or not, Lets stop going backwards and look to the future, If it means Champions league and someone getting us in the winning habit then im all for the so called 'special one'....lets face it hes yet to be proved wrong on the beloved nickname yet!
YNWA JFT96 The Guv 81-9

Spot on mate!

Excellent post, Says it as it is, Great post my friend.
Bobby.

I posted earlier why i would not like to see that filthy piece of s**t at my club.

Red7.

Red why would we not want him??......I dont get our fans...so what if we battered WBA for 80 minutes....WE LOST....does nobody get it, weve lost a lot this season.......im not being pedantic but its a results business and we dont have enough of them

So Mourinho is a filthy piece of s**t is he Red7? He is the best manager in the world, million times better than Dalglish. His track record says it all. If there is someone who can win us the BPL within 3 seasons, it is Mourinho.
Indian Buzzer {Ed001's Note - he does it by cheating, I would rather lose than be as pathetic as him.}

If Mourinho came I'd give up my season ticket.

People forget the Martinez started the ball rolling at Swansea with the way they play

Mourinho would stay for one or two seasons at the most, during which time he would spend fortunes, destroy the wage structure, and fall out with the owners. He would then leave the club in total disarray. I can think of very few managers who could do a worse job for us than Mourinho.

Red Owl

23 Apr 2012 10:13:31
Not sure if you saw the game but defensive mistakes allied with glaring misses up front,for me adds up to a abject performance and at home to add insult to injury.The word ''abject'' i think understates yesterdays performance/result,f**king S**te would be nearer the mark.You cant defend the current team or our league position,neither are good enough.I am a fan,a real one not just a blind follower.KK and his flops have had their day and the new broom will sweep clean !! B

One dodgy backpass... that's it. at least the "blind followers" you mention actually watched the game. You, my friend are just "blind" as you obviously watched the wrong match, and are not a follower.

Red7.

B, you are a prize tosser.
I don't believe you could have watched that game and called the team abject.

The problem with supporters like you and Indian Buzzer (among many others) is that what you really love about being a supporter is the chance to have a whinge, and so you love it when things go wrong.

Even if you got your way and we sacked everyone, signed some superstar manager and a load of superstar players etc etc, you'd still be slating them as soon as they lost a game, and saying lets get rid of them all.

23 Apr 2012 10:05:36
Did anybody actually watch that match? we won the game hands down, the match report obviously says differently, but before people slate Kenny and the players, actually take the time to watch the entire match. I remember the words "judge us on our performances this year and not our results" or something to that effect.
once that ball starts hitting net instead of wood and goalkeepers, with the help of a few new faces obviously... we'll look fantastic. To say everything is rosy would be silly, but to say anything to imply we're in crisis is just ridiculous. What do people want? to try and buy players outside the transfer window? good luck.
Wait until the season new before making too many judgements, you may well be forced to eat your words...

Red7.

Spot on.
kidmillions

No one will remember the game just the result so we could play like barca if we don't win it means nothing.

Red raj

Red 7. Great post. The reality is that we have lost numerous games this season where we have pummeled the opposition for 90 minutes. Yesterday was another example. The reason for these shortcomings is obvious to all. We don't have any clinical strikers or wingers who can regularly put away the numerous chances created. We are regularly pummeling opponents particularly at Anfield and this is progress though frustratingly we have regularly been undone by our Achilles heel of being unable to covert the numerous chances created. All this talk of a crisis is nonsense We all know that if we had a clinical striker and winger we would have won 75% of the matches we have dominated but drawn or lost at home. Kenny knows these shortcomings and will be working hard to address these in the summer. Next season we should be well primed for a top 4 challenge. In the meantime whilst Kenny rebuilds we have the small consolation of a Carling Cup win and FA cup final to look forward to. Reality Red

I'm watching the match now, we did not win the game hands down as you suggest, we lost 0-1 as we all know. There is only one stat amongst all the ones given in match reports, the score! WBA had chances, but for Pepe in the 1st half we could have conceded 2 quite easily. WBA got a greater percentage of shots on target 3/7, where as we were 6/22, and that is not just the strikers fault it is everyone's.

Yes results aren't reflecting performances, we all agree with that, but there are times when you have to compromise in order to get results. This isn't a blip, our home form has been poor all season, not just 2012, 5 wins in 17 just is not good enough, Anfield was once a fortress, now it is not! Our form in 2012 has been woeful, thats 4 months not 4 games.

RedSG

Sounds familiar, you lot say this at the end of every season...next year it will be our season. If you want CL football you'll need a new manager and lots of money for new players.

"we won the game hands down"
Not true - we lost 0-1 and we also lost lost 3 points -
last time I looked, that's how football is judged
ice skating gives you points for performance, style and execution

We didn't lose 3 points, we just didn't gain any, no points are deducted for a loss. I would have thought most football fans would know that, its quite basic.

23 Apr 2012 10:03:31
Just like to say lads, like i pre-warned you about, you might choose to be a bit more humble, if you're going to mock us about a 1-0 victory over Barca, you cant go and lose to West Brom at Anfield a few days after

SHED END

I will still hold onto the fact that we actually played better..maybe the result does def nt suggest so..

And you can't mouth off on our side and then go and lose to Barca on Teusday! Maybe you should be more humble, you guys only get stick because you spend more time mocking us than talking about your own club, so if you give it you have to be man enough to take it!

MR EM

We lost with honour playing the beautiful game but long term we will be winners playing this way.
Unlike Chelsea playing Ant-Football who will be Losers! in the long term.
kidmillions

Ahaa lost with hounor! You lot really are delirious.

Long term you are deluded kidmillions. We need a new manager and half a new team it will take more then 5 years to get near that top 4 with the crap kenny bought.

We have always struggle against smaller teams and brushed aside bigger teams or have you forgoten our new ground its called STAMFORD BRIDGE & ANFIELD SOUTH

MR EM, are you for real, give your head a wobble pal how is Barca away comparable to West Brom at home. This is what you deserve for years of smugness. 'Ant' football? against Barca we played defensively, suppose you would of attached them eh kidmillions? because Liverpool are so much better than every other team yeah, you've just been really unlucky this year yeah, your signings will come good and the footbal you play will rival Barca in a few seasons yeah

Took you years to build up the respect and class you USED to have, tell you what this last couple of season you aint half losing it fast

SHED END

Shed , You really need to get out more m8 why bother with us, oh and tell Roman with all his millions he will never see the Champs League Trophy

23 Apr 2012 09:47:21
I hate to see what is happening to Liverpool at the moment with regards the league. Lets be honest, we had no European football to distract us in the domestic competitions, and by playing a strong team in Fa Cup and Carling Cup we ought to have reached the final in both and even win both. Any other Top 5 team would have won them with no European Football. Back to my point. I am of the old school 70's and 80's. We dominated English football. We love Kenny and are loyal to him. Any Liverpool supporter I know from the same era loves Kenny. Most supporters I know from a later era does not have the same feelings. They want trophies not nostalga. I am now realising that we are no longer a threat. NO team comes to Anfield with FEAR anymore. This is painful. Something has to change. I feel we have good owners and they will try their best to turn things around. I feel they WILL move Kenny on. In the 70's 80's and even early 90's, to win the League cup or FA cup was considered glory and a successful season. League champions was the best season. Unfortunately the two domestic cups are now considered to be ok. Football has changed and glory now is to be in top 4. I'd swap both cups for top 4 and a push for the title. I wouldn't have said that 15 years ago. It will take years to build again and we must get it right and asap. YNWA

I dont see the point in appointing another manager with another 3/5 year plan. Kenny knows what it will take in the summer to rectify our goal drought.I think we need 2 signings, whether its 2 strikers or a striker and r/winger, and a few moved on , Kyut, Maxi, Aurelio, Cole, Aquilani,Johnson ( we should get between 20 and 30 mill for these) and retire Carra. Plus Lucas coming back, Kelly in place of johnson and the likes of Sterling getn more playing time. At least give it till january. We hit the post abt 30 times and missed i think 8 penalties this year. Ifs and buts, but if we got a point for half of the missed pens and woodwork hits , ie 30+8 =38 / 2 = 19, we would be 19 points better off. that would of put us level on points with Arsenal or there abouts. There be less doom and gloom merchants posting here! Our play this year in 80% of games have not done our league standing any justice, we 've all witnessed LFC controling and dominating games. Hopefully 2 new quality additions will resolve this problem, with Kenny at the helm!
TheJazz

The FA Cup is still the biggest domestic trophy in the world.
What's the point in being in the top4? Top4 doesn't give you a trophy. Liverpool should aim to come first in every competition they enter, including the league. If city win the league what have united archived this season? Nothing.

Our club has had a lot to deal with this season. Does anybody really believe that the league position tells the truth?

We're missing one of the best holding midfielders in the league, the Suarez ban, our number 9 lacking in confidence (not surprisingly the amount of abuse he gets from the so called fans)

People on here think that kenny's job is like playing football manager. The West Brom game wasn't a bad performance, but a bad result.

People say they want a new manager bought in, not me. That will just delay us another season. I truly believe with two or three signings we will win most games.

This makes me laugh "Get someone young in like AVB" have you lot gone mad? Look what he did to Chelsea.

All we need is the season to end quickly and the window to open. Kenny needs one more season and us fans need to do our job at home because that doesn't sound like Anfield, that sounds like a field, in the middle of nowhere.

When was the last time we did the double?
Next season can you really see us being this unlucky?

TIZER (aka Tizer red)
YNWA

23 Apr 2012 07:57:59
As a chelsea fan i dont particulary like liverpool fc but i respect them as a football club. I really hope that avb doesn't become your manager, and if he does you guys will probally be looking at 13th at best. All your talanted youngsters will be given no chances to play as soon as the results dont go your way. I know that chelseas senior players got in the way, but as a manager you need to be able to get their respect. Ed001 could i get your opinion on this if you read this.
Jono
{Ed001's Note - I agree with you, he couldn't handle the strong characters at Chelsea, why would he suddenly be able to cope with them at Liverpool? He needs more time to build up his rep, so that players respect him, rather than him just respecting them.}

You are right Ed001, AVB is not the best choice now

Bosco

23 Apr 2012 09:41:25
Manutd are struggling to score they bring Hernadez or Berbatov both goalscorers. Spurs bring on Defoe, Madrid Higuain you get the idea.
Yesterday against the baggies we brought on Downing for Kuyt and Bellamy for Maxi which was just changing the assistants and not fixing the problem which is when the ball is played in to the box which is not our problem, we keep making chances but we have " NO! NATURAL FINISHER"
Kuyt had a reasonable good game on the right but if he can't get a game upfront he should be sub to give us options upfront from the bench.
We would have been better bringing Carra on and throwing Skyrtel upfront to stay in the box for last 15 minutes. Probably would of been more effective.
Kenny Dalglish will be staying hopefully as some of our football has been the best for years. One season was never going to be enough to fix all of our problems. What I will say is if Carroll stays or goes we definitely need to buy at least 2 strikers, goal hungry box players and forget signing wingers midfield players we've got enough assistants/midfielders, wingers who will all look and be better players with better forwards/goalscorers in the team.
KK will also have the benefit of the young lads like Sterling,Morgan and Suso coming through next season.
kidmillions

I agree with you kid millions, some of our football is fantastic to watch at times, we need a striker who loves to be in the box, we also need one from midfield, I would give kenny one more year and see what happens next year, we have to do a lot better in the market this year though.

G BOX

Kidmillions.. i like your post, i dont think Kyut or maxi shud be on from the start at all, i dont think Kenny should be moved on or sent upstairs like other s want ..we need to stick by him for at least another year, hopefully the goal scoring issue will be resolved in the summer, Sterling and co getn more game time etc
JayB

23 Apr 2012 09:36:22
Red {Ed002's Note - This site has no interest whatsoever in such gossip.}

23 Apr 2012 09:11:10
Aint posted in over a year but this is killing me now.... Ed.. am I the only one whos heart was bleeding when they heard we were signing Downing? When they heard we were gonna sign Henderson...Carroll?...And the prices made it even worse!...And lets all be honest for a minute, Dose anyone REALLY think that is was Comolis idea to buy these guys?!....Come on!...I Just read i some paper called 'Sweeper' that Comoli is telling his friends that he advised against signing british...and that he first suggested we sign Juan Matta, But Kenny wanted Downing instead!....W..T..F..... We all neede to be honest and admit Kenny Pissed our money up the wall and along with that, our best oppertunity to get up there!....Do we really think Rafa would have bought these guys!?.....PS...Who else is scared at how Kenny is treating our kid Raheem Sterling?...Please some one intervene before he chases him away!....... Help me please someone.....


Simon

Juan Mata would have been great he's a good little industrious player who makes chances for his team. So I fail to see the logic that Mata would make a difference to us? We make loads of chances, making chances is not the problem.
The end of Last Season when Carroll was injured and we were playing Suarez,Kuyt and Maxi we were scoring for fun.
Perhaps movement upfront is the Real Problem.
kidmillions

Juan mata was never gonna sign for us top players want champions league football . downing has been a consistent performer for all the clubs hes played for but his confidence is shot to pieces at the moment.
sterling is a kid and you need to careful with them , hes in the squad now gaining the experience of preparing for matches and getting used to match atmosphere instead of just throwing him in at the deepend which could be very detrimental to his future

We never even showed any interest in Mata. Why are people still going about this?

Jonesred

23 Apr 2012 08:57:08
Any one who watched the game yesterday will finally realise that we are not putting away our chances. This has been a problem all season. We have the worst chance conversion in the premier league bar no one. This is why the team is sat in mid table.
Victor moses would provide pace, power and a few goals from the right.
A yound hungry darren bent type poacher needed up front to push andy caroll.
Shelvey has goals in him for sure, just needs a run in the team.
Kenny has the team playing well, just look at the arsenal game, we dominated them and RVP was the difference.

Perhaps if Arsenal had CARROLL this Season and we had VAN PERSIE.
Where would they be in the Prem and where would we be?
My estimate; We would have at least 26 more points and they would have at least 26 points less. Goals,Goals,Goals,Goals win football matches. We havn't had one game this Season where we nicked the points, all we have is dominating games and the points nicked off us. We need 2 goalscorers.
kidmillions

I know what your saying about Moses? but half a season, plus STERLING is coming through.
kidmillions

23 Apr 2012 08:56:49
How on earth does Odemwinge say they deserved to win?Having said that anyone take him as a squad player?

I would have taken a rubbish performance and 3 points

23 Apr 2012 08:52:42
Yo eds. Sick of the bs being sprayed on here so I thought I would voice my opinion. Whoever we have got as manager in the summer and for next season be it Kenny or another man lets just get behind the team and manager and hope they make good signings in the summer. Im beginning to believe we have a lot of a**hole fans out there at the moment and we just need to calm down. The league season is done and dusted we know that. But lets look forward to the F.A cup final and playing in europe next season (even if it is the euorpa league) but in my eyes we should be going all out to win that too. A trophy is a trophy dont let anyone fool you into it isnt an achievement! Cabinets speak for themselves people. YNWA!

Clarkchenko7

If we win F.A. Cup everyone will forget and praise king kenny we fans are fickle when we win kenny is best and when we lose kenny is worst

Haer hear , we have got to be the unluckiest team in the league , we just arent getting the bounce of the ball , highlighted by hendo hitting the underside of bar hitting foster on the backside and rolling out for a corner , and that just about sums our season . our performances arent justified by our league position , we have battered most teams in league and not ended up with the points we deserved that includes the teams at the top . if we were playing rubbish week in week out then we should be worried . im the same as everyone else in being the dissappointed in our league position but barring a couple of games we deserved more than we got

We are not the unluckiest team , just refer to how many times we have won trophies on pen's we just have a poor team at the moment with no natural striker to put the ball in the onion thats why our players have hit the post/bar so many times they are not familiar with scoring so they snatch at chances with no control, red mick tag

23 Apr 2012 08:52:37
Lad said to me Hodgson has as many Leauge points as Kenny,dunno if true.They have same points at Anfield in 2012. 5 Home wins,one wag said to me we should take down the This is Anfield sign,as it doesnt intimidate anymore-that hurt!But it aint just uptop we need goals from Midfield also.And we need top experienced Midfielders,not just potentially good youngsters we have now.Because potential can work other way.The people slagging Reina should maybe consider his form could be why-keeper coach has gone.Also how can likes of West Brom be near us in the Leauge-Disgrace.How can likes of Blackburn,Fulham,and Norwich have more goals than us?(No disrespect)Then i hear Savage saying were 5/6 players away from just a top 4 place.I thoughy=harsh.But then he pointed to when we had Macherano and Alonso with a younger Stevie,to what weve got now.I looked at others squads,and he maybe right.I dont agree when he says LFC fans must get real,were a Top 8 club.Because the moment you accept mediocraty,thats what youll always be.But he was right about investment on and off the pitch.Fenway must make a huge statement in summer.A top drawer manager with clear out and huge investment.Granted easier said than done.But were already playing catch up.And nobody wants or should accept LFC being a merely top 8 club! Kennys done well to steady ship,and as proven in Cups,we can beat anyone on our day.But real quality is proven through consistancy.Grinding out results when performances are poor.And whilst in Cups we beat most.In Leauge mostve lower teams beat or take points from us.Kenny said he not Commoli had Final say on signings.Well that says to me Thanks Kenny for better style of Footy,steadying ship after the awful damage the 2 cowboys did.Thanks for Cups(Think we have sign over Chelsea)but endve season move upstairs

Some good points: Rafa inherited Stevie, Sammi and Carra at their peak he also had Torres, Alonso,Reina and Masch so on reflection with all these indisputable great players why didn't he Win the PREM?
Kenny has inherited Carra at the end of his career and Stevie plagued with injuries and an underperforming Reina and made one glaringly bad buy in Carroll ( all managers make some bad buys ) but still managed to get us to 2 finals win one the other pending.
kidmillions

The year we came 2nd the only reason the Reds didn't win the league was the completely disgraceful refereeing over the run-in designed to make sure Utd got the points they needed. Just watch at Man City next Monday, the ref will take centre stage as he does his best to ensure Utd get all the help they need> Liverpool WON their titles, Utd got theirs from the FA and the men in the middle.
Ulsterpool

23 Apr 2012 08:44:55
OK, I think it is about time that someone put up a sensible post on here, so it might as well be me.

I want to cover a few things here, but I may as well start with sabermetrics, moneyball, and damien camolli. The whole point of the moneyball theory is that you find the players that statistically provide a very specific role, and do it consistantly. Players that are undervalued both by the clubs they play for and the market. It ignores flair, passion and many other things that scouts will look for, and just focusses on the technical ability of the individual.

So, with that in mind, onto Mr Camolli. Correct me if I am wrong on this, but it is my understanding that the set up has been said to be simply that "Kenny wants Mr X, Comolli goes and signs". First of all, that cannot be entirely true as it doesn't fit into sabremetrics at all (the statistical analysis behind moneyball). Im sure KK doesn't sit at a laptop compiling all the stats. Chances are that a list of players is provided to KK from the stats guys, and KK approves or disapproves some. For example, Downing and Henderson had 2 of the highest "crosses to goals" ratios last season. And then DC tootled off to try and sign them.

Now, I'm sure many of you guys here have been around this site for a while. We like it because in amongst the FIFA Manager teams and wishlists, solid news comes through. Now, cast your mind back to last summer. There was a long list of players that we were linked with, and many posts cropped up here over the weeks showing players we had lost out on that we had definately tried to sign. Marveaux, Jones, Young....the list goes on. As the weeks went on, these names increased, and yet still no-one. Then we started signing players, and the price tags, much like AC in the Jan window, raised eyebrows, more often than not.

Now, keep all that I have told you in mind. KK gives DC a list of players, presumably in order of preference (makes sense). DC goes to sign them. DC misses out on priority targets again and again. DC moves onto the next on the list. All that is fine so far (unless you want to blame DC for not being savvy enough in the negotiations with either club or player, which is a perfectly reasonable conclusion). So, DC moves onto the next on the list. And then pays too much.

See, thats the thing. Sabremetrics and moneyball is fine (the Oaklands A's, whilst turning baseball on its head, still didnt win the World Series with it, but it provided them a way to compete with a limitted budget. It took the Red Sox, a team with some good money behind them, to adopt the strategy to take the system to the title. And we all know who owns the Red Sox). However, the system doesn't work if you are still going to spend a fortune. Especially if you are signing players for way over the market value. And that is where DC failed. He failed to sign the first choices, so offered more than what players should have been bought for just to make the signings. Half of everyones problems with the signings over the last 18 months is that we paid too much for them. Sure, some are more than reasonable (Suarez, Enrique), but the majority aren't. So, when criticising our players, the price they have been signed for is always mentioned. AC being the main one.

Having said that, the problem we had in RB's last days is that we had a cracking starting 11, but a terrible squad. I would say that we do now have a good squad. Plenty good back up players. Shame some of them cost so much.Now we just need that starting 11.

And so, onto KK. As a "holding" manager whilst the club stabilises itself after Hicks n Gillet, he has been fine. The cup runs are a bonus. Nothing more. But in no way should he be still managing us past this season. He cannot be considered long term. He is too old - we have a youth policy on the pitch, why not off it, so to speak -, and tactically, just isn't good enough. It is easy to say that we have been unlucky - we have - with highest woodwork hits ever, and the worst shot to conversion ratio in the PL. We have played some of the best football I have seen Liverpool play for years this season. Unfortunatly, I have also seen the worst too. Tottenham, Bolton, and so on, were performances the likes of which I can barely remember seeing LFC ever producing before. Say what you will about the RB era, but his teams were consistantly good or very good in terms of performance. KK's veer from one extreme to the other with alarming frequency. Consistancy is the key, and we dont have it. And, just as a matter of opinion, KK should have been bringing the likes of Sterling and Suso into the first team on a regular basis a few weeks ago, when it became obvious top 4 was unachievable. Nothing to lose by doing so at all. Every league game now is nothing more than a formality, and trying to bed these players in now is all they can be good for. He did it last year with Kelly, Flanagan and Robinson, so why not this year?

So, we need a new manager. Someone young. And we (the fans) need to give them time to bed in and rebuild. There will be no quick fix here. Players are irrelevent to be discussed at this point. We all have our wishlists, but no manager looks to see who the fans want brought in, and neither should they. The most important signing from here will be the GM. It will be his job to help identify potential. It will be his job to sign the players the manager wants. Get the GM right, and maybe this summer wont be spent with us reading about missed target after missed target. {Ed002's Note - Moneyball and Sabremetrics are baseball practives and of no relevance to Liverpool.}

If your willing to give a new manager time

Except moneyball and sabremetrics are both being applied to liverpool fc by the new regime {Ed001's Note - Perhaps you should read up what those terms mean before spouting lies about them. Statistical analysis was applied by Comolli, but that is not the real Moneyball. Sabremetrics is a purely baseball term and could not apply in football. Please take your complete nonsense elsewhere.}

Well said Ed

23 Apr 2012 08:12:03
Roy hodgeson is a gentlemen, he just couldnt make a difference here. after all those treatment we gave him he came to us and he won us. a revenge in a good way i suppose. best of luck roy, hope u win cups next season. all best wishes and roy YNWA.


redh0t
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Wouldn't him winning a cup mean that we wouldn't win it? So yes I hope he does well, but not that well! Haha

An Dun Red

Roy Hodgson. I don't dislike him personally.
He is a Gentleman and as such deserved his multi-million pound GOLDEN HANDSHAKE for failure at Liverpool FC. :(((((
kidmillions

23 Apr 2012 08:01:18
Correct me if i am wrong but i think under Daglish weve only had a net spending of around 45m which doesnt sound half as bad lol. Our league form has not been good enough fact beating chelsea is essential if we are going to consider letting KK carry on imv Henderson looked much better playing CM which begs the quesion why we didnt either play him more at cm or in the sumemr by a right winger rather henderson?

Net spending of 45 million however we have still had to spend and spent over 100million and the team balance is not right. With 110 million you should have been in the top four this season or at least pushing them all the way. You live and die by your signings in football and our goal return is not great and thats all that really matters when it comes to a league posistion. the question is who is or allready has been made responsible for the new additions to our squad. KK has said they were his choice and there is some speculation as to the reason why comolli lost his job but maybe the owners have held him accountable giving Daglish another chance to improve, we'l have to wait and see. I for one dont actually mind the football we play under KK however it is under statment to say we require a natural finisher. Torres was a goal machine at liverpool an regardless of his form now we still need to rerplace a striker who was getting us 25 plus goals a season in all comps. Suarez is fantastic but hes not an out and out goal scorer. To get the best out of him and the chances he creates a robbie fowler, owen or rush type striker is what we need, someone who knows where to be at the right time and how to find the back of the net. I think Carroll has played well of late but we need goals and he is never going to score more than the odd goal with type of football we play. Its a shame the downing is only just starting to show improvement and crosses at this point in the season as Andy could of done with these allot sooner and mybe he and us would be enjoying better times, which also highlights a strange decision by Daglish in terms of team selection yesterday. With his goal return maxi probably desrvers his chance in the side but why then play Carroll without a natural winger in the side.Why not include raheem strling in the squad, what did we have to loose? nothing and we lost anyway.

23 Apr 2012 07:36:35
fans are saying we need a striker , im sure we needed one in january ,because we were not scoring then aswell , i realy believe if kenny stays he will mess up in the transfer market again , we could have bought pappis cisse , and had all them goals ,

23 Apr 2012 06:59:24
thankyou to all at lfc havnt laughed so much in ages match of the day made great veiwing,woy came back to haunt you now we can see what a top first class side your not stop living in the past wake smell the roses your at best a very poor top ten side .

hello is this claims direct i fell over at work in the box can i make a claim my name is andy carroll ha ha ha ha

Live in the past? Which team won the last available prize ? Liverpool! Which team is in the final for the next available prize? Liverpool! So apart from your dreadful grammar your post makes no sense

ps Next time don't be ashamed to state who you support. We won't laugh (honest) and don't be scared to leave a name. Now go away and think of something else because that post was a shambles.

MR EM

Nothing like a pre-school post to start the week eh?

23 Apr 2012 06:21:23
do u think we will buy a DM as cover for lucas?

Yes as Lucas may not come back as the same player-bad injury

We have one, and he's playing very well.

Red7.

Push Agger up , Coates in his place.

23 Apr 2012 06:21:09
Rodolfo Borrell will be promoted to the assistant manager position this summer as Henry want him to help and work with like Raheem and Suso in 1st team next season .. The owners also consider bringing a new world class manager to attract some talents from outside England .. Rafa is high on their list with Capello and AVB .

Rafa + Borrell = Success .

I think rafa is a terrable idea... He will Just start all the in fighting with the owners again if he doesnt get his own way. That for me would be 10 steps back. He helped the chuckle brothers put us in this mess in the first place. His style of football is also sooooo boring to watch....
Rickblfc...

23 Apr 2012 06:17:54
if only 50-60m was there to spend after our second place finish in 08-09....

If only I had 50-60m to spend in 09...
I'd probably still be broke...

23 Apr 2012 06:14:19
Why do some fans keep using the same old language? Were building for the future! Really! from were I'm standing it looks more like dismantling for the future. We are a laughing stock, how many points are we behind what I would call an average manu team? I never thought we could get any worse than last season, especially with the amount of money spent. We need to wipe the slate clean invest in a top class proven manager. I personally would bring in Roy Evans with Phill Thompson or John Aldrige as nr 2's. They no the club inside out if not, then they need to go for a coach who could attract players to come to LIVERPOOL. To be honest I really don't who they should bring in I am clutching at straws. But they need to get the right manager in at all costs otherwise we will be in big trouble.

Elmo 96
LFC Forever.

23 Apr 2012 07:52:07
I know times changed,and as much as i have total respect for KENNY DALGLISH.I feel we need a change of manager for next season,I'm happy with kennys buys as well, accept two.Adam and Downing,these players are not good enough,Downing has all the qualities,but is the most inconsistent player i have ever seen..

If you see opta statistics Downing is there with the best in terms of creating chances so I don't know what you are talking

But also has the worst connection to crosses made ratio.

23 Apr 2012 05:55:10
Hi, eds, as u said, we are interested in Milan Badelj and scouted him twice recently. could u have a detailed description on him? thanks {Ed002's Note - Surely you could do a little research to find out about the player?}

23 Apr 2012 05:07:51
Just had a look at the table - poor reading there. Nothing to do with position, but our win/draw/loss is depressing (W 12 / D 10 / L 12). The cup runs are not enough to excuse the poor league result in my opinion. I also fail to subscribe to the notion that trophy's from the cup runs shows progress. Consistently good results shows progress. People claim we have been unlucky this season, and I can see where they are coming from. But on the flip side, maybe we have been lucky to get the results we have, and the cup run we have. Certainly our Carling Cup victory required enormous amounts of luck.

I just cant wait for this nightmare of a league season to end. I dont care who is here or not next season, I just want real progress - not this "cup success is progress" tripe which makes our dismal league showing even harder to swallow.

LIVERPRES

But 4th place with no trophies would have been successful, right? Its a new-ish team and we haven't had the run of the green. We have been playing some great football but are realistically probably the 5th or 6th best team in the league at the moment (despite our position).
Next year, the same team (with Lucas and a goal-poacher) will have the benefit of experience and playing time together and THEN we'll reap our rewards.
If we were losing all our games and creating nothing and playing lousy football, a change of management might be wise but that's not the case. We're more erratic than unable.
Disappointing year....yes. Time to panic and scream for change....not yet.

cozinoz

I agree mate, but I am not talking about success, I am talking about progress. This year we have gone backwards in the league, but further in the cups.

If everyone is honest, we have drifted further from the trophy we all want so badly. Full credit to the club for getting the league cup and to the final in the FA cup.

Like it or not, 4th spot is worth more than everyone thinks - not talking about the money involved, but the draw of players to the club - the type of players that will enable us to win the league

I am not calling for heads or denying our poor luck, just stating the fact that we have been successful, but not progressed in my opinion.

LIVERPRES

23 Apr 2012 04:32:21
Don't know if anyone else has posted this useless bit of info, but the LFC squad were on American Idol last week. They did a short (5 second) bit wishing one of the contestants, who is an LFC fan, good luck in the competition. Carragher was the front man of the bit instead of Stevie G. Funny bit about it was Ryan Seacrest (host) asked the contestant if she could interpret what Carra said. Thought it was a nice touch from the club, and Seacrest gave a shout out to the club live on American television.

LIVERPRES

23 Apr 2012 04:26:54
Here's what I think should happen...
1) new stadium or redevelopment of Anfield (personally id opt for redevelopment because of our rich history at anfield)
2) purchase a striker, winger and creative mid... My choices being welliton, Hoilett/Phillips, gaston ramirez
3) a decision should be made as early as possible on management i.e to keep kenny or not to, and who would be a good manager as replacement of kenny were to leave..

I'm interested on peoples view on my post! Ynwa

And if we buy Welliton and he doesn't score takes an age to settle? Hoilett/Phillips would block Sterlings path. Would be better to buy 2 or 3 goalscorers/box players we've got enough assistants.
kidmillions

1. I also want redevelopment

2. ST) Negredo/Giroud/De Jong, AM) Kagawa/Belhanda, RW) Hernandez/Phillips.

3. A decision has already been made, Kenny is staying.


The players listed are obviously big names, and would, unfortunately be very hard to get a hold of, but any combination of those listed would be great, i feel.

Red7.

Although unrealistic...

Red7.

Who said Kenny is staying? Im not sure the owners will agree with u Red7.
Indian Buzzer

23 Apr 2012 04:08:23
sometimes you just have to laugh.. liverpool fc is a tough team to follow but, i love it! the inconsistency is unbelievable. it would be boring if we knew we were gonna beat the "easy" teams. never a dull moment one week were flying high goin for trophies beating the best. the next were getting beaten by relegation teams.. its like a deal was done with the devil and we are banished from winning the premier league ha.. as fans all we can do is stand,cheer, moan, hope and wait for the day the PL title is ours.. looking forward to it.. :D

lfc89

Nice angle... i do agree though, you really have to love the suspense that builds every week, Haha. Whinging about money spent won't get us any closer to that title.

Red7.

23 Apr 2012 03:35:09
Overall a good performance but once again we suffered from a lack of a clinical striker. It wasn't the tactics, it wasn't the team selection, it wasn't even the lack of effort - like many games this season we should have won 3 or 4 nil. I don't see where the criticism of Dalglish really comes from - in a game where we thoroughly dominated and played some great football, we did everything right except put the ball in the net. If we had scored instead of Brom, posters would be creaming over a dominant and convincing victory - instead a lot of you are crying for a new manager because Dalglish's poor backpass for the goal....or was it Dalglish's poor goalkeeping?
The team is not complete, it needs tweaking - we need 2 or 3 players in the summer and a lot more consistency. That means buying a Fowler/Rush and not shaking things up too much.

cozinoz

I watched the game yesterday and I agree 100% with you mate! We played well, never deserved to lose.

I could'nt agree more, i was going to write something similar after reading some of the garbage on here, but you've saved me the trouble.

MR EM

Absolutely spot on.

Gordy

23 Apr 2012 03:24:52
Roy hodgeson is a gentlemen, he just couldnt make a difference here. after all those treatment we gave him he came to us and he won us. a revenge in a good way i suppose. best of luck roy, hope u win cups next season. all best wishes and roy YNWA.


redh0t

23 Apr 2012 03:11:37
Ed do u think we will spend big in the summer {Ed002's Note - "Big" is subjective, but I would not hold your breath.}

My missus made the same comment, Ed

cozinoz

We will spend, 1 maybe 2 players...

Why would you hold his breath ed?

23 Apr 2012 02:49:35
In
A.Johnson
Ricky van Wolfswinkel
K.strootman
j.hoilett or p.aubamyang
j.butland
OUT
kujt
rodriguez
aurelio
doni
adam

23 Apr 2012 02:33:54
A question and not an opinion if i may:
Rewind to 2004, if you were david moores and you were deciding on benitez or mourinho would you have chosen benitez?
Thoughts?

Peter

I believe Mourinho was poached by Chelsea way before LFC started shopping around.



McAlien

Its really interesting dont you think as to what would have happened if we had got mourinho? I personally feel that when he is done he will be remembered as the greatest manager of all time!
I also think mourinho and The Kop is a match made in heaven but whether we have what it takes to attract such a manager to the club at this time is another question entirely.

Peter

I think if Mourinho ever managed at a club that didn't have a massive budget while the half-talented players at the club are all willing to sell their soul to the devil and do his dirty, filthy bidding on the pitch, he'd be a nobody. It's a filthy game he plays on and off the pitch, to sign players(adebayor) clearly not good enough for real madrid, but to sign them for no other reason that to kick people and be a nuisance because the player knows he has to do it to keep his place at the club, is just filthy tactics. Among many other dirty tricks of course. If we'd signed Mou all those years ago, i'd be a very bitter man because i would be ashamed of my club. The man is a dirty stain on the beautiful game and should be shipped off to manage a prison team in guatemala.

Peace.

Red7.

I was told that mourinho to lfc was a done deal for rick parry at the last minute to pull the plug and advise the board that rafa was the better man for the job and then chelsea put a huge contract on the table and the rest is history. one of the reasons mourinho has a bit of an issue about lfc?
i would like the ed's opinion on this story? {Ed002's Note - It is rather more complex than this and not a subject we wish to deal with in detail.}

Jose told parry to wait till after potro played man u at old trafford , jose won and chelsea got involved even though jose was going to pick lfc , parry etc panicked and got raffa in , rafa did do good things and with the same backing that jose got he may have done better ,how ever jose still loves lfc !

23 Apr 2012 02:33:44
Hypothetical Question; Ed001, if NESV miraculously hired you to replace Comolli and you had a total of $50 Million to improve the squad (after player sales, etc) and no wage cap, how would you spend it?

How would you (yes, you there, reading this post) spend the money?

(Let's assume that all variables such as availability are favourable...so no circular answers please. And I know someone will pull the 'this is not fantasy football' card, so don't do it...this is a realistic, buddy.)

This is assuming that all the necessary off-pitch changes have been made.


McAlien.
{Ed001's Note - I would buy Matty Phillips and spend the rest on a striker.}

Give up the 25m or whatever it took to get that lucas lad from sao paulo, offer his family a big home etc. (and then a striker, not sure who id want). Him and sterling on either wings makes me dribble.
Ben the red

Wage cap - first of all NESV had a rigid wage cap 2k-10k young, 10k-50k supporting, 50k-80k top end, - First Handy Cap.
Sell to Buy- Some players are leaving because of amounts paid to them
Sell to Buy-Need to get value on player sales.
Availability- Best players wont want to come to mid-table club offering rubbish wages.
= We are in the same boat as West-ham, in terms of attracting players to EPL so they can advance their careers. Foreign players from lower leagues. France, Holland, Russian-eaten block countries,
No value in England, Spain, Italy,
Plus their would be some possible outs. 1-Glen Johnson,2- Kuyt,3- Bellamy, 4-Maxi,5- Doni,6- Carroll (depends on value)

Soldado and Johnson/milner if transfer listed

I wouldn't bring people from a foreign country. I'd pocket the 50m and head for foreign territory myself.

23 Apr 2012 02:24:20
I think we should all settle down a little. We will probably spend around 30 million pounds at the end of the season. Some players will leave and we will finish between 6th and 8th again next season. So.....Whats different? That has been the Liverpool way over the past few years. We are not MAN UTD, MAN CITY, ARSENAL, NEWCASTLE, TOTTENHAM ETC.... We are lacking and it may take a couple of years to turn it all around. We just need to be patient and it will come with the right formula.

Hopefully we will not have a fan like you next season......

LiverBird

Which formula are u talking about?? pls go and have a good sleep mate.u need one

It only took newcastle 12 months to get in the top flight using our 35 million for andy, therefore we can do it too

tel 1949

How patient do we have to be?? i think 21 years is long enough,i have lost the faith with this team and manager.its not down to luck why we cant win its that we are rubbish and its as simple that.

23 Apr 2012 02:09:41
chaps its a no brainer it has to be Brendan Rodgers we need to be happy

I think you're the no-brainer

23 Apr 2012 02:02:17
As a Rangers/Liverpool fan, during the January transfer window I stated that I hoped Kenny would make a bid for Jelavic as I thought he would have been an ideal foil for Suarez. Both intelligent players and Jelavic led the line well(albeit in an inferior league, but never the less did it superbly) for us, at the time I was shot down in flames with claims "he's not Liverpool class" etc, just wanted to know opinions now.........pretty sure he would have done the business for us instead of Everton, and I'm pretty sure they'll manage to flog him next summer for a tidy profit to boot, something I can't see us managing to do with the HUGELY overpriced signings we've made in the last 2 seasons
Sid

Totally agree with you, the true Liverpool fans will remember the endless list of strikers that we have bought as a stop gap for 1-2 seasons who can score goals, David Speedie, Dean Saunders, Titi Camara, they all scored improtant goals and did a good job

23 Apr 2012 02:01:16
Aint posted in over a year but this is killing me now.... Ed.. am I the only one whos heart was bleeding when they heard we were signing Downing? When they heard we were gonna sign Henderson...Carroll?...And the prices made it even worse!!...And lets all be honest for a minute, Dose anyone REALLY think that is was Comolis idea to buy these guys?!....Come on!...I Just read i some paper called 'Sweeper' that Comoli is telling his friends that he advised against signing british...and that he first suggested we sign Juan Matta, But Kenny wanted Downing instead!!....W..T..F..... We all neede to be honest and admit Kenny Pissed our money up the wall and along with that, our best oppertunity to get up there!!....Do we really think Rafa would have bought these guys!?.....PS...Who else is scared at how Kenny is treating our kid Raheem Sterling?...Please some one intervene before he chases him away!....... Help me please someone.....


Simon

YNWA {Ed001's Note - oh come on, if you are believing nonsense written about Comolli, then you need to give up the net. There is no evidence at all that he was against those signings, in fact a lot to suggest he was very involved in them.}

Well if comoli is saying it then it must be true. Get a grip the man is washing his hands of the farce that we now see at our club so he can get a job!

Peter {Ed001's Note - he is saying nothing, he signed an NDA when he left.}

I stand corrected Ed001

Peter

Comolli also signed Enrique, and for a much lower fee than everybody expected. No mention?

23 Apr 2012 01:23:56
It's becoming more embarassing as the season nears its end and I for one will be glad when it's finished. I'm beginning to think the majority of fans, who frequent this site, have been following Liverpool only since 2005. The constant references to Rafa, Alonso, Mascherano, et al is becoming very tedious. They are gone if you love them so much go follow who they now play for, i follow Liverpool F.C. not (insert name as approprite here) F.C.. Yes, today was a bad result, but, we absolutely battered their goal for the majority of the game, unfortunately, with no end result. As for all the people blaming Carroll, Henderson and the latest scapegoat to be in their sights, Reina. Do yourselves a favour and watch that game again and realise as great as he is somebody needs to tell Suarez to look up more and find a team mate. Don't take me wrong, he is fantastic for us, but on too many occassions he wastes good possession by going for an outlandish goal instead of looking up. I'll continue shouting for the whole team till the end of the season and what comes after that will be. Thankfully, there are only a few weeks left to be embarassed, by the barrages of abuse, outbursts of undeserved vitriol and the inane suggestions being made by so called Fans of Liverpool. Of course anybody is entitled to voice an opinion and like a**holes everbody seems to have one that will solve our problems. However, i've supported Liverpool for over 38 years and some of the stuff said on here puts the great history of Liverpool fans to shame.

Cork Red Boi

Mate I agree with you. you got to look at the facts and that is we are not good enough. Are the players are not good enough. You can call it mental strength or dont have the ability to score in high pressure moments that has caused us to explode this season. Someone will say but Suarez scored heaps in Holland why cant he do it here... well maybe thats becuase he had 10 shots in one game to score 1 and maybe because that league is actually sh@te...who knows... My own opinion is that we dont get enough players in the box...which means its tactical... whos fault is that?? KK or Steve Clarke and Keen?? Or is it everyones Players and Managers and staff??

I'll still get up at stupid hours in the morning and cheer the boys on....

Speeds

23 Apr 2012 01:13:57
I would ideally like ed001-002 to give some feed back to this.
I think kenny is making it hard for himself. Last year he bled some youngsters like flanno and robinson, and we had a great end to the season, mainly because of new manager syndrome.

I just think, if he used the youngsters now, and we lost, we could say, " Well you know the boys made a good effort" But when you play our first team and we lose due to whatever it is, luck, tiredness etc, it just upsets us more that thats meant to be our strongest team.

Using the youngsters would give a get out clause for bad results for kenny, and it would give the youngsters some excitement and confidence. I see no negatives playing 3or4 young back up players, can anyone thing of why not?
Ben the Red {Ed001's Note - I can't see the point in not playing them now the league is over for us, it makes no sense.}

Yep exactly 001.

I watched 90minutes on lfctv, you know, 5 minutes staring at commentators, then 5 at the crowd lol, and ive never seen anfield so deflated.

Raheem makes things happen, im so pro this guy i desperatley want him to play. In 5 minutes against wigan, i sat on the edge of my seat and said to my friend watch him when he gets the ball. If we lose our best youngsters, and sterling, ill cry.
Ben the red

23 Apr 2012 00:59:01
heres one for all the fans who who think kenny should stay , these players are his players , thats why they get played all the time , does anyone think these players will be better next season , and if so why ? , kenny bought player from midtable teams and look were we are now , so the lesson to kenny is if you buy mid table players you will end up mid table , if you would have bought top players guess were we would have been in the table and kenny your tactics are mid table or your desicion making is mid table , how many defenders were on the bench , did you know befor january that we were missing lots of chances and hitting the woodwork , yes you did , so why did you not buy a goal scorer in janaury , will you keep making these mistakes if your here next season , i think you will , because you want to prove your buys were good , you usualy get what you pay for unless your robbed or stupid or both , i think its both with you on your buys , these bad players will be with us next season , and i expect us to be in the same position as this season , if you love the club the way you say you do then walk away at the end of the season so the owners have all summer to get the right man in,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,mickey b {Ed001's Note - that is just idiocy. United bought players from mid table teams and yet they are top of the league. Why do people post such nonsense?}

Kenny bought lower division players Aldridge,Houghton etc in his first spell as manager, we're he won league titles with them. So it don't matter where players come from. LFC problem is years of non investment,owned by greedy chairman etc. Ed's do you agree?
Lee73 {Ed001's Note - exactly, years of neglect have caused this problem, not one year of investment.}

Plus we have also accumulated useless and fairweather fans who are world class in whining and show little suppport to the team when they need it the most.....

Rafa was given time....so was Houllier.....Kenny needs the same.....We didnt become the best teamby hring and firing managers.....

Mancheater Utd bought jones, young n de gea from blackburn, villa n atletico. All midtable clubs arent they? n yet the spam r top of the league. I think its down to the winning mentality ingrained into the players at old toilet by whiskey nose, which is not the case with our club sadly.
Indian Buzzer {Ed002's Note -

Ok ed001 tell me this , do you think henderson, downing , adam ,and carrol will improve that much next seaon , you may call my post idiotic , young played for the same team as downing and in the same positions , why has he excelled and downing has not , you never mentioned in your reply that we were also after the same players that went to man utd , also you did not mention that kenny never bought a goal scorer in january , that was his biggest mistake , then ones who did buy strikers have got goals from them , newcastles cisse has scored the goals that have got them in the champs league position , aldridge was the type of goal scorer we needed in january and still need now , i love this site and think yur views are valid , but we did buy more mid table players than man utd did ,,,,,,,,,mickey b {Ed001's Note - but that is making the wrong choices, not where they came from. Which was the bit I objected to! By the way Young has been poor, most of the United fans don't understand why he was bought and don't rate him.}

Ed001, wasn't Young brought in to do the diving? They've never really replaced Ronaldo in that sense. I mean they tried to with Nani but he just bursts into tears whenever he hits the ground so that doesn't really work. I think he asked to be taken off the penalty & freekick creation duties, to avoid those painful little interactions with the turf at OT. The United fans saying they don't rate Young aren't fooling anyone, not with his potential rate of "Assists"...

Ryan 'O

23 Apr 2012 00:41:31
"If you can't support us when we draw or lose, don't support us when we win"

Shanks would be turning in his grave with some of you so called "fans" go support chelsea seems more like your team, when all isnt working asking for
people out and millions to be spent.

Get a grip.

So u think we should spend nothing and play with the same crap again next season.. yeah sounds like a plan .. i support lfc through anything but, doesnt mean i cannot criticise the players or managment for that matter i support lfc not the players they come and go and so do managment.. gerrard,carra,dalglish and players alike are exceptions they are lfc to the bone majority of others are not ie. torres.. players get paid to play so if they are regularly playing crap then they should be criticised..


lfc89

Shanks hasn't been at the club for 30 years - time to let go you neanderthal. It's attitudes likes yours which keep the club rooted in the past that stops it from moving forward. We have a wonderful history but until we stop using it as a barometer and start using it as simply fond memories we are never going to progress as a 21st Century club. I agree support the team though thick and thin - but please, and I say this to all the fans who like to hark on about the good old days, stop dragging the club into your own time warp - we have to move forward, you are stopping us doing so.


SMc


p.s. never seen a team so dominant not get a result - think kenny must of broken a few mirrors last summer

The reason we don't get results has nothing to do with mirrors. It is simply that when our players shoot or head towards goal, they don't hit the target.

At some point, the coaches need to address this fundamental problem.

Until then we will continue to fire blanks (in todays game I believe about 30).

Non sensical thoughts....

Which manager will guarantee you success within a year and sucess for 10 years together??

Certainly I can think of any?

SMc is world class in whining...Supporting the club,manager and the players is obviously a delusional thought for SMc.....Your formula for success? Fire the manager......Sell the players.....

Even a player like Ronaldo started shining in his third season at United....We have not been goodin keeping the players when they dont have bad seasons......Look at Fergie....He gives everybody a chance....The board in turn gives him a chance......And the fans give hima chance......

Fergie didnt win a thing for 4 seasons.....Kenny has got one in his first season...He will correct wht needs to be changed......

What cannot be corrected is WHINING fans like you who whine more than supporting the club......

I have noticed you posts and viewsfor sometime now....And I wont be innovative if I say that there is hardly a LFC supporter inside you......

LiverBird

Why the f**k do people quote Bill Shankley? Yes he is a legendary figure, but he is gone. Time to move on. Living in the past as usual.
Indian Buzzer

@ Liverbird:

I didn't even criticise the team in my last post, I said that fans need to stop harking on about the past because that's what it is - the past.

Frankly if your team is playing as badly as Liverpools in the league you have every right to voice your opinion as a fan. Out of 17 home games this season Liverpool have won only 5 - are you saying paying season ticket holders have no right to feel aggrieved?

You can say I whine but the real issue is you like Kenny and I have criticised him before. My formula for success would be to not panic buy a 35million pound striker - to not pay over the odds for your Charlie Adam's, Stewart Downings and Jordan Hendersons - and to take off the blinkers and stop pretending everything is fine when it is not.

If you want to pretend like everything is rosy, that we are just unlucky, that Kenny really is the best manager for our club that is fine - but do not accuse me of not being a fan because my views differ from your won. The problem with so many "fans" like you is that if anybody says a bad word against the club, or, say, a club legend (like Dalglish for example) then you defend them to the hilt and reject the criticism as being unwarranted or unjustified or the criticisms of someone who isn't really supporter. Go ahead and keep living in the land of fairies, sure you know Kenny will turn it around next season and everything will be alright - I have complete faith in what you say....

To accuse me of not being a fan because my opinion differs is childish and petty, when you have a real argument to make against me let me know, i'll be all ears.

SMc

23 Apr 2012 00:38:57
Please-
No more excuses.
Much has to change.

I dont think we need wholesale changes or sack kenny as fans are saying we shouidnt forget we are in rebuilding process jst need two or three players to solve our problems
Stiker to solve goal scoring problem
Right wing to add space and creativity
And if money is left one midfield ed1 your opinion

23 Apr 2012 00:21:17
Am surprised Carroll Adam Downing Kuyt Spearing Henderson Carra Johnson have not been named in the premiership team of the year awards

Curled1

22 Apr 2012 23:58:53
hi all. well yet another defeat this is becoming a little bit of a joke dont you all think ?? for me i could be wrong but we need to get shut of at least 6 so called first team players ( SPEARING BEING ONE OF THEM HE IS USELESS AND I DO NOT RATE THE LAD ONE BIT ). i really do not understand why king kenny does not give some of the youth's a go i mean for sure it can not get any worse . to be frank for next season we need to buy in 2 top strikers 2 top midfielder's and may be 1 defender. we are liverpool f.c guys were not used to all this i hope we never have another season like this i really do. we should give king kenny another season at the most if not bring in jose mourinho let's get back to winning ways just like the good old days . L.F.C RED

I am in pretty much complete disagreement with you. LFC Red? Ha
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