Liverpool Banter Archive September 22 2015

22 Sep 2015 22:40:55
Just wondered what people would think of Lucien Favre as a potential Rodgers replacement in the club decide to swing the axe.

22 Sep 2015 23:16:15
Lost 6 games in a row this season. No real pedigree. No thanks. Get proven pedigree in. Same goes for players. We need a top player magnet.

23 Sep 2015 07:35:35
Well klopp had an awful season last year, not saying he's an awful manager at all but even good managers have rough spells. And the job favre did at his club was brilliant he coaches good football too

23 Sep 2015 11:04:48
I think Favre is a very good manager, and did really well with Gladbach and Hertha Berlin, getting them CL footy with limited budget and no real star players. He is a very astute man tactically, though very moody and eccentric apparently. He has quit before when he felt he couldn't turn things around.

22 Sep 2015 21:35:00
Hello eds and fellow reds,

Question for any of the Eds: Would the fact that Mcallister took the press conference have anything to do with the potential change in manager or is it just because it's before the league cup?

Thanks in advance

RedNick

{Ed002's Note - There are no secret messages.}

22 Sep 2015 23:17:30
Is that a secret message?

23 Sep 2015 00:42:36
If you reverse the sentence and translate into Sanskrit I think it sounds like 'bring on the klopp' but then maybe I'm just reading something into it?

23 Sep 2015 08:07:44
So, here's what we've got: the Rand Corporation, in conjunction with the saucer people -- under the supervision of the reverse vampires -- are forcing our parents to go to bed early in a fiendish plot to eliminate the meal of dinner. We're through the looking glass here people

23 Sep 2015 08:20:00
CMAC, was that the Simpson? Brilliant

22 Sep 2015 21:42:49
Love Macca's comment about talking to someone who used to work in spain. obviously most people are saying Ancelotti. but the comment leaves a lot for people to read into if you want to. used to work in spain at a big club.

maybe our new DOF Johan Cruyff!! I am sure Ed01 would jump for joy.

also worked in spain could mean a player from Real or Barca, Frank de Boer? or Frank Rijkaard

Probably just means Ancelotti, which if true is not a bad thing.

22 Sep 2015 22:44:01
You're over thinking it I think

22 Sep 2015 21:36:11
Having read the posts from today and seen the papers pick up the (rather wooly) story of us talking to Ancelotti. I just can't see it happening at all.

I just don't think we can attract that calibre of manager anymore. I think we will end up with another 'up and coming' manager. Not what we need!

23 Sep 2015 05:20:46
If Stoke (no disrespect) can attract the most Champions League medal winners, Liverpool should be able to attract a high level manager. It will depend on what we are willing to pay to bring them in and what the club can offer.

A Guardiola would be out as rebuilding a club is not quite his forte, he has a track record with tweaking successful teams, however there is a lot of money in the EPL compared to other leagues, so we should in theory be able to provide a good pay day.

{Ed001's Note - bit of a difference attracting bit part players that have little real interest elsewhere, over attracting a top manager with plenty of choice.}

22 Sep 2015 20:57:04
Ill launch a pure speculative firebomb: Ole G. Solskjaer is currently in between jobs.

22 Sep 2015 22:08:02
Yeah and he did just peachy at Cardiff didn't he?

22 Sep 2015 20:05:50
Has anybody else considered that Macca might be alluding to Frank Rijkaard? Managed Barcelona for half a decade and currently unemployed.

Ancelloti has health problems. That's the whole reason he took this year out. I'd love it to be him but especially after Ed002's comments, I just struggle to see it happening.

22 Sep 2015 20:15:54
Strange, He is unemployed

22 Sep 2015 20:17:07
I thought about him earlier Ems, I believe he retired from management a few years ago however.

22 Sep 2015 20:46:46
''sabbatical'' As long as Macca has used that word correctly. I don't think it's Frank

22 Sep 2015 21:16:11
From what I have read on here in the past he enjoys smoking a certain thing and due to this I believe he wouldn't even be in the running.

22 Sep 2015 21:21:12
I may be wrong here but didn't the owners look at frank a number of years ago and decided to not go with the err, Flying Dutchman?

22 Sep 2015 21:24:29
Jeez guys. The 'obvious' one is Carlo. Macca must be pulling his hair out at you all

23 Sep 2015 02:20:20
Ancelotti is only human, meaning he's definitely capable of changing his mind and cutting short his sabbatical. He's not a pre-programmed robot.

22 Sep 2015 19:53:06
Any chance of Eva as well as Carlo? Lol

23 Sep 2015 00:45:17
No, even more players would be injured - on purpose

22 Sep 2015 16:27:51
So ancellotti has been spoken to apparently! Managed a big Spanish club recently as macca said. Only free agent that fits the bill really. To be honest new face, new lease of life on the team, respected manager, should be able to get some better performances. I hope it happens. And I hope it happens sooner rather than later to allow us the biggest chance of getting it together and mounting a reasonable challenge for Europe

22 Sep 2015 16:48:21
I think what we need to remember is this is all an hypothetical situation. We still have a manger( A highly incompetent one nonetheless 😢😔) . Ancelotti would be an excellent option if Gordon pulls the axe. Sadly i don't expect it to happen any time soon

22 Sep 2015 16:56:07
Reet

The axe nearly fell in the summer so a few more poor performances and he think he will go.

22 Sep 2015 17:18:58
Plus Ancelotti did claim he's taking a year out so is this for next summer? Are we in for a full season of rodgers?Not nearly soon enough if we want to achieve anything this season.

22 Sep 2015 17:38:11
Not sure Ancelotti is the best option out there for LFC, but one thing is for sure that he will keep our best players like Coutinho out of reach for the likes of Barca and Real. He has the pulling power and would guarantee trophies. What worries me is how he would react during negotiations when FSG tell him the budget available at this point of time is non existent because Clueless Brendan spent it all.

22 Sep 2015 17:57:33
Lavers.
Hopefully.

22 Sep 2015 17:28:09
Let's wait till Ed02 come up with more details on this. Let's not jump from the tower yet.

22 Sep 2015 17:46:10
I've mentioned him before and I think I'd consider Vincenzo Montella
Any thoughts Ed?

{Ed002's Note - For a couple of reasons, I can't see any chance of it Chris.}

22 Sep 2015 19:07:49
Ok cheers Ed

{Ed002's Note - If Liverpool were to wait to next summer both issues go away - but they have certainly shown no interest in him.}

22 Sep 2015 17:54:54
Ancelotti would give an immediate lift to the club, wealth of experience, proven and a really nice bloke.

22 Sep 2015 19:41:52
The fact we are "in talks" with another manager means that Rodgers time is running out fast, they should've wielded the axe in the summer. I didn't see the point in changing so much of the coaching staff & allowing Brentan to spend all that cash if they plan on sacking him after 10 or so games.

We could've gone the whole hog, get a new man in while only buying 3-4 players that were NEEDED & let the new manager find his feet with the rest of the squad. This is BRs 4th season & it's going to be another one of pain & transition.

Sick of it tbh. Also don't agree with the plan to wear Klopp style glasses to be worn at Anfield. Makes us look silly & petty. I know it's probably considered top banter or whatever. But to me it's not a good idea.

22 Sep 2015 14:54:16
Sorry all, its difficult for me to really come out and mention names, but it shouldn't take a lot to work out who i am talking about.

He used to work in Spain at one of the biggest clubs.

But let me just say this, i only know this as he has held meetings with the club, there maybe others but this is the only one i can comment on.

Cheers

Macca

22 Sep 2015 15:04:13
Nice 1 Macca.
Thanks

22 Sep 2015 15:07:43
Cheers macca but it won't be ancelloti! Fact!

22 Sep 2015 15:08:00
Got to be John Toshack then

22 Sep 2015 15:21:23
Hi Macca, what are the chances of this actually happening and do u know if said manager is keen to come?

22 Sep 2015 15:37:40
Firm - why would he hold a meeting unless he had at least a modicum of interest? He knows about the club, the fans from Istanbul and his time at Chelski so maybe he likes the idea of the club as a project. Would he his greatest achievement yet turning Liverpool around.

{Ed002's Note - I am surprised to hear that Ancelotti has actually met with the club recently.}

22 Sep 2015 16:22:19
Could be Hiddink or Ancelotti.

Carlo seems unlikely but Hiddink is getting on a bit. Confusing! But more likely Carlo.

22 Sep 2015 16:30:51
I hope to god it is not Laudrup, he totally single handed turned the dressing room into 2 camps at Swansea. Soon as he went Monk got rid of nearly all his signings and look where they are now

22 Sep 2015 16:36:22
I would be carrying bags of gold sovereigns into the meeting, whatever it takes to get him, if I was FSG.There is no doubt he would get much more out of our current squad than the current incumbent.

22 Sep 2015 16:46:10
Fair enough but does rodgers know about this approach?? Surely it's not that common knowledge? If so rodgers needs to go now. or do negotiations with carlo happen with everyone aware? What is actually happening or are we just playing guessing games? Thanks

22 Sep 2015 17:06:04
Ed002 surprised in what way? Because he has had meetings with the club or because he hasn't? Forgive me if I seem ignorant but your reply can be read either way!

{Ed002's Note - Macca said that Ancelotti has himself met with the club - I am surprised to hear that.}

22 Sep 2015 20:01:13
I was surprised also ed tbh. Do you beleive it has happened or not?

{Ed002's Note - I am going by what Macca has said - Ancelotti has met with Liverpool. To me it is surprising.}

22 Sep 2015 20:10:14
He may have listened to what they said out of curiosity but without seriously considering the job.

22 Sep 2015 21:04:23
I suppose he might have done just that Ron. Guess we will have to wait and see

22 Sep 2015 12:23:50
I would be interested to get the Eds take on how much of a loss Gerrard has been this season.
Watching the games this season I get the impression that SG may have been doing more to galvanise the team (on and off the pitch) than he was being given credit for.

{Ed002's Note - Not too much. He is at the end of his career and his performances last season were not looked upon kindly by the folks here. It was time for a change and for him to move on.}

22 Sep 2015 12:42:40
Ed002, do you think Liverpool have suffered from his lack of leadership? I posted after the Man Utd game that we seem to lack leaders and my view is that, regardless of Gerrard the player, Gerrard the Captain appears to be sorely missed.

{Ed002's Note - Not to any great extent. I am pretty sure the original plan was that Lallana would have taken over as captain, but with the injuries it allowed Henderson a chance. Milner would certainly have been considered as captain as well. Gerrard is currently causing the club some problems with his book, so they won't be missing him too much.}

22 Sep 2015 13:04:46
Fair point about the book, I would imagine it pretty much means he won't be involved in the club in any capacity under these owners or manager!

I do wish footballers would wait until they have retired completely from the game (including management if that's where their ambition lies) as its just noise and distraction otherwise. Its not as if they don't earn enough on the pitch to have to cash in so much off it!

Thanks for the reply.

22 Sep 2015 14:48:23
Why do you wish to gag him? Steven Gerard was a great servant to our club. Things are clearly - CLEARLY - not right at the club. So why shouldn't he say it. He is more qualified than perhaps anyone alive to give insight.

Furthermore, he should've been kept with a view to learning the managerial ropes - in a similar way to what United are doing with Giggs. To me it stinks of lack of vision.

Why do some Liverpool fans have such short memories when it comes to such a loyal servant?!

Steven Gerard was a colossus, a true legend for us. Please lads, let's try and reciprocate the loyalty he gave us.

22 Sep 2015 18:12:01
Erm, I'm not in any way denigrating Gerrard!

He has been my Liverpool hero for nigh on 15 years!

My point was that Gerrard bringing out a book where he is basically criticizing the coach, some of the players and the owner unfortunately means he is unlikely to get a coaching role in the current set up. That's a crying shame as I also would've loved Gerrard to take on a Giggs type role - player coach for a couple of years maybe then progressing to assistant manager as Giggs has done.

FSG/BR/Others shoulder a big chunk of the blame for not offering it, but by writing what he has written, Gerrard hasn't helped himself at all.

My final point was about footballers generally. I found much more pleasure in reading Kenny Dalglish reflecting on a full playing and managing career, than reading Torres' 200 page love letter to Liverpool just before he jumped ship.

22 Sep 2015 10:39:41
Many people thought we had a decent transfer season but I like to think otherwise. Apart from clyne and Ings who both cost a small potion of the budget the rest of the money was wasted on needless talent. Why waste money on Firmino when you have a hell lot of quality talent in the attacking midfield. With coutinho,lallana, texeira and company in the squad that money would have been better placed in convincing inter and kovacic. Why sign a Benteke yet all players with similar have before failed to work in our team. why not get a player who would effortlessly fit in the team. one thing I know, most south American players are mercenaries and trust me Tevez would easily have joined us and did a job for at least two seasons as we sort ourselves out. Don't tell me crap about his behavior because right now Liverpool fc needs to sort its name on the football pitch. Milner was also another con which am starting to think it was a connivance between Milner and Br to undermine our club.
Wow, I had forgotten J.Gomez. the kid is brilliant

22 Sep 2015 10:59:26
Tevezw ho's just took a payout to go back to his boyhood club and was playing in the champions league last season? To generalise an entire continent as being mercenaries is just plain stupid. I could easily say the same about African players or Europeans for that matter.

22 Sep 2015 11:09:56
yea too late to post and that's harsh calling most of south american mercenaries. you can't even back that up ,also that is rich coming from an African fan

22 Sep 2015 11:20:30
Tevez would not have came to us, South American players are not 'mercenaries'. I bet you were one of the fans made up when we signed Firmino, but hey I guess hindsight is a wonderful thing - besides I still think he is a very good player and will hopefully come good for us

22 Sep 2015 13:06:19
What a ridiculous post from the OP!

I thought such generalizations about a person's character died out decades ago (well, outside of the Royal Family anyway!!)

22 Sep 2015 16:05:34
Apologies for mercenary bit.

Mr Yoxall, trust me apart from knowing he existed. i didn't have a clue about Firmino before we signed him and am not saying he is a bad player. all am trying to say, there was not need of wasting money on him when we have more pressing issues in the squad. Am sure, even Brendan has to scratch his head a few times to get him a position in the team when coutinho is playing. and what message does signing him send to the likes of texeira?

22 Sep 2015 09:09:22
Ed01 you have been a bit quiet on the Norwich game mate, are you saving it for the podcast?

{Ed001's Note - no, that wasn't why, I just felt so gutted afterwards I had nothing to say about it without a needless rant.}

22 Sep 2015 10:28:12
theres not much to add really, almost same problem every week, only this time we played with 2 strikers.

22 Sep 2015 10:54:06
Totally understand ed, felt the same way and as you say ranting over it does not change the situation and just makes u even angrier in the long run.

I take it you will be doing a podcast shortly with benny so we will get your take on the game.

Sometimes a few days reflection can change your viewpoint!

{Ed001's Note - I don't know mate, he has obviously done something heinous as he has been sent to Wales. Not sure if he can access the internet out there.....}

22 Sep 2015 12:43:32
My eldest is at Uni in Wales and he can get the internet, Ed! ;)Skype has been down too, that can't have helped, but if you can't do one on the Norwich game, any chance of your thoughts on the Cup match, like who should play?

{Ed001's Note - I will see what we can do mate, but he has 'work' apparently. I think he means he is on lockdown most of the day.....}

22 Sep 2015 14:52:48
Thanks Ed, I'm sort of addicted to the podcasts! ;)

22 Sep 2015 09:11:38
Hi Eds,

A lot of people asking you about who Macca was referring too,

Just as a question - Who would you prefer to come in and who you think would be best fit and why?

Cheers

{Ed002's Note - This has been done to death all summer.}

22 Sep 2015 11:14:52
francesco totti. but he can't stop scoring.

22 Sep 2015 13:08:01
Its the Pope, who is currently on 'sabbatical'.

You heard it here first ;-)

22 Sep 2015 07:01:47
Only saw MoD highlights but looked better shape balance to the team, as Rogers does he falls into a formation that works for him, last poor than incredible run that fell off a cliff towards the end.
Question ifs do we have patience or is it a case he's no learning and won't learn.
I personally think he's got the squad but not sure he's the right man any more, my problem is he should have been big enough to go when they sacked his number 2s pas or and marsh
Finally I'm sorry you need a keeper who's going to win you points not lose them.
Think the yanks will move quick, any news on new buyers.

22 Sep 2015 07:27:27
1. 3 at the back is not the answer to me, It simply means take an attacker and put a defender. More over, It leaves huge space behind the Wing backs. A good manager would exploit it.

2. He is the one to blame for not replcing Migs last year infact should have been repalced 2 years ago. Felt sorry for Moereno when Migs kicked one into the stands.

22 Sep 2015 08:39:20
Harry makes a very good point. It's very negative playing 5 defenders particularly at home. And we still managed to concede. We were overrun by a very average Norwich side in the midfield particularly in the first half.

22 Sep 2015 09:31:11
Essex

Good point brining up the issue with current midfield. The one common factor in our all games this season has been our very ineffective midfield. And this would continue untill Henderson is back or BR changes the personal.

There was an incident when Can ran with the ball from the defense to the opposition 6 yard box but litrelaly did not knew what to do next with the ball.

Except Lucas None of our midfilder could read the game well and this is a worrying sign.

22 Sep 2015 10:32:24
It was more numbers than personnel. We had Lucas and Milner against 4 Norwich midfielders most of the time. Idea with the diamond is you dominate the midfield so I've no idea why Rodgers is adamantly against it.

22 Sep 2015 12:55:04
I find the avoidance of the diamond a little bizarre given our previous success, outside of it would mean some tough decisions that Rodgers is not keen on facing up too, in terms of starters.

22 Sep 2015 13:34:32
BR does not believe in playing the diamond. He never has if you read Ed01`s comments on the issue. Bielsa advised him to do that in order to get the best out of LS and Studge as well as Couts, RS, Hendo and SG which worked results wise. Why he hasn`t switched to it and never did it last season is only down to his ego and his unwillingness to change his pathetic philosophy of pass, pass, pass in our own half which is a proven failure. He is the one who refuses to play the diamond and the high press and that is his fault.

22 Sep 2015 06:11:22
So I think this is Brendan Rogers plan for every season. Start off ok, with a few wins(to show that he has learnt a bit, and changed), then go through a few bad loses(to show that its a new squad that needs time to click), then he changes the formation to a back 3 and wins some games on the trott(to show how "genious" he is). And then finish just out of the top 4. Uses this to convince the owners to keep him for 1 more season.

22 Sep 2015 04:55:51
If any Eds are around: what do you make of the Independent article a few days ago suggesting LFC have been warned off Klopp by someone who knows/has worked with him?

Do you think/know if there is anything to it? Or just people making stuff up?

{Ed001's Note - no idea, haven't read it to have any opinion on it sorry. Do you have a link?}

21 Sep 2015 21:13:54
Ed001

Has Brendan lost the confidence of the dressing room do you think.

I think the owners have to be very careful how long they leave this go on, another trophy less season and poor league finish will see the likes of coutinho look to move on. And who would blame them.

{Ed001's Note - he lost it last season, a lot of the players like him, but confidence is very low throughout the club in general, but with him in particular. We will hear the usual nonsense quotes from players, but none of it means anything.}

22 Sep 2015 06:37:24
Not surprised it's low, we are no closer to answering some fairly basic questions like

- what's our best formation for this squad
- what's our playing style (target man or twin strikers, high press or not)
- who are our best CBs
- is migs good enough
- is Lucas a regular or not, and do we need a DM or a playmaker
- wingers or attacking mids
- is Can a midfielder or not

Unfortunately Rogers also seems to be on a different planet to all the fans on most of these questions

22 Sep 2015 09:08:32
An experienced and competent mechanic with a wrench can do much more than a figure-head with a whole tool shed

22 Sep 2015 09:09:22
I have to admit i do like BR as a manager and i do think he will become great one day i really do (Some may not agree of course I know) i just think sometimes its really tough to pull it back around and it may of just gone too far for him now to come back - He's still learning of course but i think he needs to get wiser in ways - The questions above are perfect and something he needs to become wiser on

22 Sep 2015 13:41:37
Cial, BR reminds of that Churchill quote about the Americans. ' you can always rely on the Americans to do the right thing - after they've exhausted all the alternatives'

Someday soon he'll pick a formation and team that suits, but only after trying everything else first. then change it again after things go well.

22 Sep 2015 00:05:10
So for a while now Macca is still around, i hope the manager they're talking with should be; Ancelloti, Bielsa, or F.Megath.

22 Sep 2015 00:59:47
if it's Bielsa then it would be short term right? He would know how to best exploit the 'current' teams strengths without having to go out and spend to put his mark on the team.

22 Sep 2015 02:11:26
Hiddink with Bolo as assistant

22 Sep 2015 04:42:25
Biesla doesn't speak English and is a very volatile character, it would be a stupid decision to put him in charge, as if things don't go his way, he will quit.

Magath? Are you joking? Not even van Gaal has fell out with more players as Magath has. He is another poor man manager, and is bit of a tyrant.

22 Sep 2015 09:10:54
Cant believe Felix Magath was just mentioned - If that's the case i would beg BR to stay