Liverpool Banter Archive October 22 2017

22 Oct 2017 22:08:16
The fourth goal sums up our defensive problems for me. The only player to show any defensive instincts and was very unfortunate given he blocked the shot on the line was our centre forward. Other than this our best defenders on the day were an untested centre half at this level and our left back. Don't get me wrong I am far from convinced Moreno is the answer at full back but when he out performs two centre halfs defensively then you know you are in trouble.

Cheers.

23 Oct 2017 00:56:21
I thought exactly the same. When Kane fired in the rebound there where 3 players who threw themselves at it.

Gomez, Matip, Moreno, Can or Henderson? Nope. Milner, Salah and Firmino. All supposedly attack minded players. Shocking. Matip and Gomez were just stood still on the penalty spot.

Ultimately, Lovren and Mignolet cost us today. They gifted Spurs a 2-0 lead which forced us to over commit. Then just to rub salt into the wounds, Mignolet let in a soft 3rd, and flapped at the 4th. Salah, Firmino, Coutinho and more surprisingly Chamberlain played well but unfortunately, Spurs left 6 players back at all times (because we gifted them a lead to defend) and Kane, Alli, Eriksen and Son was enough to take apart our stretched backline every time without any further support. You can't give teams of that quality a 2-0 head start.

Onwards and upwards. Got a much kinder run now up to Christmas. We need an 8-10 game winning run though or any title challenge hopes are gone (if not already) .

23 Oct 2017 01:11:30
Moreno has been our consistent defender this season. Says it all about the state of affairs at the club. The likes of Burnley, Newcastle sit above us while two newly promoted clubs have a better GD than us. Where are all those fools saying we don't need a goal scorer? What have to our much fabled freely scoring forward line?
We huffed at puffed to a top4 finish without European competition last season, and people actually thought the team only needed a few finishing touches when the club is no better under Klopp (Mane and Salah aside) than it was under Brendan.

{Ed001's Note - what has a goal scorer got to do with anything? What kind of fool uses a defeat, where the team scored, to suggest the team needs a scorer? Idiotic comment. It was clear to anyone with a brain that the problems are in the defence, not the attack.}

23 Oct 2017 03:50:43
Good post mk.

23 Oct 2017 09:03:57
MK, I'll go one better. Migs was responsible for the first, third and fourth goals last night. Karius was dropped for making two costly mistakes in 10 games where we were solid for the most time last season while Migs in addition to his countless errors this season and last, cost us THREE goals in ONE game YET Karius and even Ward, never play? That is on Klopp and all on him and I don't wanna hear that crap (not saying you said it) that Karius or Ward don't deserve a go from Klopp. No more! Karius and Ward are miles ahead of Migs, it's not even a joke anymore. If Migs is still playing come Sat vs Hedd then Klopp is to blame for any errors he makes. End of story.

22 Oct 2017 22:50:21
Pressed send too early in my Mignolet post! I'll finish off here instead.

I was saying that I hate having a pop at a Liverpool player because I firmly believe that it is vital that the supporters get behind the players, else they simply have too much pressure on them.

But if Klopp sticks with Mignolet, then it just isn't right. I'm sorry, but other teams will be laughing at us.

Loris Karius has played 6 times this season, conceded just 5 goals and kept two clean sheets. Danny Ward has been given just one chance this season in a makeshift EFL Cup side despite being a pivotal part of Huddersfield's promotion winning side last season.

Neither of them could possibly be worse than Mignolet. Not even possibly. Even if they tried, they couldn't breed less confidence than Mignolet does.

That's all I'm going to say. Frankly, the players in front of Mignolet don't trust him and don't have a clue about what he will decide to do at any point in a game. It doesn't help and it can't go on.

Please Klopp. Enough is enough.

22 Oct 2017 23:27:57
Karius has conceded three goals (one of which was arguably his fault) and kept 2 clean sheets in 5 games and Ward has played once conceded 2 gals, none of which were his fault. Migs has conceded a hatfull with at least 6 of them being his fault (not counting the countless mistakes that did not lead to goals) in the PL. Over to you, Klopp.

{Ed025's Note - you have said it for a long time bingo, but then you defend klopp to the hilt mate.., i love klopp but he does have his failings like most managers..

23 Oct 2017 01:15:20
No Ed025, Klopp does not have some failings. His entire LFC tenure will be a big massive failure if we don't get top4. His record is worse than Brendan's right now, and that's just embarrassing. Playing attractive football and going nowhere is not the hallmark of a LFC manager, its about winning trophies. Klopp does not have what it takes to take us there. I would get rid in the summer personally. I have seen nothing and I doubt anything will change anytime soon to make me doubt what I just said.

{Ed025's Note - he should have addressed the keeper and CH problems by now i agree IB, the rest of it is good though and even when 4-1 down the players never let their heads drop and battled to the end mate..

22 Oct 2017 21:23:43
I'm starting to wonder if klopp has any idea what he is doing. I was convinced that he was the man for the job after the wheels fell off on Brendan Rodgers.
He has got us to 2 cup finals, and took us on a title run last season until we hit some bad form.
I commend him for the above and I commend him for getting us back into the champion's league.
Defensively though we have been a disaster waiting to happen since before the guy arrived. Every armchair fan and clueless pundit appeared to grasp this. Why on earth did klopp fail to a address these issues?
We have all heard lots about the VVD saga but failing to move on to another target just seems ridiculous now?
Ok, let's suppose that the problem is not just down to personnel. Perhaps we needed to change the approach a little? Tweek the system? Provide some coaching? We actually seem even more disorganised than we were last season. If I went to work and performed much worse than i did last year, my boss may consider sacking me.
Salah has been a good signing and has arguably been our best player this season.
Solanke is a good young player who lacks premier league experience.
AOC is an average winger and a poor midfielder who hasn't improved in 5 years.
Robertson appears to have been kidnapped by aliens.
I'd have swapped 3 of those guys for any reasonable central defender. Apparently lovren is carrying an injury and this makes the situation even more frustrating.
I'm not particularly a fan of José Mourinho but he has addressed his team's failings from last season by buying a goal scorer. Spurs seem to progress season upon season by making small improvements and signing the right kind of players to improve their squad.
I'm ashamed to say that I'm starting to think Alan shearer may have a point.

22 Oct 2017 22:46:54
Not 100% cinvinced 4th was an achievment last year arsenal and united just had a worse season but they identified the problems and fixed them. We added salah great signing but apart from him the rest make the bench at best i know if the right target is not available don't buy for the sake of it but surely they should have more than one target.

22 Oct 2017 22:11:31
Louvren is not just carrying an injury he is also carrying Moreno who constantly exposes his left flank and makes him look a good deal worse than he really is.

{Ed025's Note - its very hard to make lovren look worse than he already is RP..

22 Oct 2017 23:35:38
Berg, us getting 4th had nothing to do with other teams screwing up. That is false. We were better than them over the season and that is the fact. Let us dispense with this pathetic notion that we only do well cos the others are crap and when others do well, they must deserve it as they are automatically better. Tht is unfair and self-defeating. Nobody gives you anything in sports. You get what you deserve. We took points off these teams, scored more goals then them and were able to finish ahead of them despite having outspent us last season. That is the reality. This season? We shall see.

22 Oct 2017 23:46:00
Disagree. Moreno wasn't the problem. Not at all. He was one of our best players today. Again. I know what you're saying and that has been the case in the past but it wasn't today. If you saw the game you would see why lovren was replaced in the first half, not moreno.

23 Oct 2017 00:25:30
Moreno one of our best players?

24 Oct 2017 10:52:06
Moreno has been one of the most consistently decent players we've had all season. Can't believe I'm saying it lol.

22 Oct 2017 20:59:08
The fans called it, the pundits called it and the Ed's to a certain degree called it. Liverpool would go nowhere with the defence and keeper. It's just bad management that Klopp thought he could make them better than they actually are. There's none so blind as those that won't see.

22 Oct 2017 21:30:18
Nobody hates losing to spurs more than myself, my brother is an especially insufferable spurs fan. But today is not armageddon. Listen, it's a big risk, but we put all our eggs into one basket: Van Dijk. In the past we end up with not our preffered choice and end up paying for it big time. Don't forget, Lovren has showed glumpses of brilliance in the past for us. This is just how it goes. Football.

It saddens me to say it, but we have lost this season to the the two hest teams in the league right now. Believe it or not there is still time to get better.

22 Oct 2017 21:30:28
I hate too say but klopp has not identified the problem has stuck with practically the same defence but he has got rid of probably our best defender an leader in sakho also the experience of Lucas could of been sitting in front of defence better suited than anyone we got . It's so neglectful the way we have prepared for this season we could of really kicked on with rite additions to a quality attack but in my eyes we still 4 or 5 players off.

22 Oct 2017 21:42:38
You are right Hailstones, we are basically always 4 or 5 players off.

22 Oct 2017 22:54:37
I know it's absolutely criminal L. F. C can't identify problems an solve, transfer window comes we sign 2 wingers a left back an a raw striker, no defence whatsoever, pure crime!

22 Oct 2017 20:56:59
Ed01 cannit wait for your match report mate, 90% of the time your thoughts on migs is the same as mine, be interesting to see if they are this time mate. hopfully you have time to read this first to see if you agree.
1st goal what the hell was he playing at.
2nd the ball was so close to him my 86 yr old gran has better reflexes he should of saved it.
3rd should of give mati the call to leave it and would of been a routine pick up.
4th total flapped at it a non league keeper would of dealt with that cross.
Yes the defence was poor and somtimes you need to rely on your keeper and migs let us down he should get nowhere near our first team agen simples.

{Ed001's Note - I just need to wait and watch them again with a calm head, and a bit more watching what happened and less swearing at him! I do feel, on initial viewing, he was the biggest problem for our team, which says something when Matip and Lovren are so poor. Have to say Spurs thoroughly deserved their win, but we didn't have to hand it to them on a plate!}

22 Oct 2017 21:26:27
Spot on, Ed. Just saw the game and Spurs are good enuff to beat us and did not need our help today, for sure. $ gifts today and franklly, it could have been 7 today as Spurs did everything they wanted, when they wanted and we just helped them out the whole way. frankly, Migs is no longer possible anymore. He is responsible for the first and fourth goals. From now on if Migs is ever in goal and makes a mistake, don't blame Migs as he does not pick himself. Blame the guy who knows he's crap, wants rid and keeps playing him anyway for reasons I can no longer fathom. On this issue, I'm fed up with Klopp. He must act now on the GK issue as all our probs starts. Each time, Karius and Ward have played this season, both have made one error btw them this season in 4/ 5 games n the defence seems to know what they are doing. Migs has made his 6th error that cost us a goal in the PL alone tonight. See the trend here? At what point will this madness end? Lovren? No comment.

22 Oct 2017 21:42:08
Match report would be easy for him I guess! He could sum up in a few sentences lol!

22 Oct 2017 21:48:58
We gave them at least a 2 goal lead,

No team with top 4 aspirations can do that,

I've backed Klopp to the hilt but his defensive judgement is non existent

Bring in a top defensive coach and build from the back,

Ps Harry Kane is over rated.

22 Oct 2017 22:04:03
There is nothing overrated about Kane. He is good enough to score against us already. He does not need us gifting him goals like Migs did today.

{Ed025's Note - kane is quality bingo, yes you were your own worst enemy but them opportunities still have to be put away mate, and harry at the moment is the best in the prem at the moment..

23 Oct 2017 00:02:05
I'm glad he is English. He really is some player. I'm not one for swooning over other teams players but kane is something special. I would love him to play for us. He could play cm if he wanted, he is such an intelligent player. Gives me hope that as England we can beat anyone with that lad in the team.

23 Oct 2017 20:47:57
1st - Migs routinely sells himself when a striker gets in on goal. I played as a goalkeeper until I was 17 and started again in the past couple of years in the office 5 asides. Sometimes a striker is in on goal and you genuinely can't stop him, but you have to at least make him work for it. Cover your angles, stay up as long as possible and make him produce a decent finish. Migs doesn't do that. He makes it easy.

2nd - I've said time and again that "Migs is a good/ decent shotstopper" is a myth. He repeatedly has failed to deal with saveable shots that aren't down his throat.

3rd - Migs doesn't communicate or command the defence.

4th - See 3. Plus his judgement of crosses and handling is terrible and always has been.

So that was just a routine Mignolet goalkeeping performance, really. Why is he still our goalkeeper? Continuing to play him is the most baffling thing I've ever seen a manager do.

And I've seen managers do some properly strange things. It's more baffling than the time Rodgers put Downing at left back and Jose Enrique at left midfield. More baffling than Steve Staunton putting O'Shea, who wouldn't cross even on his strong side and looked to cut inside at right back and Finnan, who could cross on his strong side, at left back, when they were playing the opposite way around in the PL and CL for Liverpool and Man U.

22 Oct 2017 20:19:01
That defence needs someone in front, otherwise we will continue to fail.

Milner there all day for me to start an attack from the back.

Many will disagree, but he's the only one I would have faith with.

None of this cavaliar bombing forward shabite, just somenone with the experience, brains and discipline to cover for some of the poor excuses behind him.

22 Oct 2017 20:34:34
Milner is now our saviour, i can't believe how bad the summer window actually was, i knew it wasn't the best but this proves how bad it actually was.

22 Oct 2017 20:34:35
Everything you mentioned is everything milner is not.

22 Oct 2017 20:35:39
Milner was awful. You can have 6 kantes in front of that defence and we would still ship goals. They need to be replace in January end of. Migs klavan lovren.

22 Oct 2017 20:37:33
You must be joking. Milner at deep?

22 Oct 2017 20:39:42
Milner is not a cdm he just runs around too much, need some discipline and some steel.

22 Oct 2017 20:38:37
Milner doesn't really show much positional discipline when played at center mid, so I strongly suspect that wouldn't work. I get we need to change things, but Milner at defensive midfield ain't the answer.

22 Oct 2017 21:02:28
Savic from Lazio January.

22 Oct 2017 21:16:26
Yet again Milner failed to do anything. He's a MOTD highlights reel player and offers nothing.

22 Oct 2017 21:27:01
Milner isn’t a centre midfielder. You put him in against top class opposition and he gets shown up.

22 Oct 2017 21:34:03
Many were singing Milner's praises vs Maribor and I just laughed. I knew he would be found out vs better teams and I was not shocked.

OP, so putting a DM in front of the defence will suddenly make Migs stop making the useless mistakes he makes and stop putting the fear of our Lord into his defenders, right? Did not think so.

22 Oct 2017 20:04:28
You come down to London in confident mood and were sent packing by the best footballing side in the country who are the only challenge to man city. I have lots of respect for you boys as you play good football and you are only a back 4 away from doing the league title.

22 Oct 2017 20:11:08
We were completely outclassed! Fair play, sadly i don't think you are as good as you think, we are just very very bad.

22 Oct 2017 20:13:11
What?

22 Oct 2017 20:16:27
I am a massive fan of you Raver. Best poster on the site among all the pages! Why did you not come in your Subaru today mate? You usually come in that!
Oh well we also have a weak center mid comparing to any top 4 sides.

22 Oct 2017 20:19:17
To be fair Raver you were due a decent performance against Liverpool but you are correct! Our back 5, including the keeper are shambolic, especially away from home. Well done today, here is hoping you smash United next week.

22 Oct 2017 20:26:11
good luck to you today raver eerrmm think that was your first win in 11 games against us.

22 Oct 2017 20:29:01
Mate you are a quality outfit an I hope u or city win the league rather than anyone else but today we actually gave 4 goals away all individual mistakes leading too goals, saying that we get wat we deserve an u deserve too win the game u punished us for being all over the place.

22 Oct 2017 20:40:09
Thanks boys for your comments, our record against Liverpool is dreadful and I thought the game would be a draw in all honestly.

22 Oct 2017 21:39:01
The Raver, I love Spurs and they are the team we are trying to be IMO, as Poch has the right players playing in the system he wants them to play in. It's not about spending cash. It's about spending it on the right players. You were due a win at some point as your record is awful vs us so fair play, you got yours today and deserved it.

22 Oct 2017 19:59:27
Lovren, mignolet lead a pack of half a dozen players who are error prone. klopp needs to act soonest before they cost him his job, and us our best players next summer. As for Can he is is having a really sloppy season, errors and expensive ones in lots of games, perhaps he should sit out until he either signs a new contract and gets his game together. If not he can do one in January or summer.

22 Oct 2017 20:13:45
Who will you drop Lovren for? Klavan? That is the issue! We have no players who are an upgrade on what we have. So keep persisting the duds we have. Lovren should have been sold ages ago! Why didn’t you do that? This team relies on goals precisely the front 4 the rest are all medicore which you might dispute with me but it’s been. proved beyond doubt week in week out! Can and Coutinho are certainly off in the summer and without CL how would you attract top quality?

22 Oct 2017 20:25:33
Drop Lovren for JOE GOMEZ? We have Arnold and Milner who can play RB until Clyne is back! Who cares about Can anyway? a complete liability who has 2 good games in 10, let Juventus have him, he will find himself on their bench in no time. And Coutinho lost the ball like 70 times today so pipe it down man!

22 Oct 2017 20:39:54
Klopp don’t rate Gomez as a CB yet! Not happening. So between Lovren and Klavan you chose one! I would actually drop one CM for AOC ( not a fan but he won’t r worse than what we have )
Milner can’t cross! What’s the point in playing him on the flanks? He has no legs either!

22 Oct 2017 20:27:04
I don't think losing Can is as big of an issue as everyone thinks. He's certainly more replaceable than Coutinho is. Other than that, as much as I hate to admit it, I agree with you Harry 😋. honestly think we will be fine without Coutinho and Can if we can sort the back line out anyways.

22 Oct 2017 21:22:41
The point is to avoid Lovren at CB! Isn't obvious? his legs are not gone, that is just a bad joke or lie, he ran 13 km vs maribor, he can cover that ground and would do better at RB than LB when Trent Alexander needs a rest. Obviously Klopp rates Gomez above Lovren at CB because today he chose to pick Gomez to play CB when he took out Lovren, not Klavan. we will see.

22 Oct 2017 21:45:06
Milner is a shambles and always has been in midfield. I think Klopp does not think Gomez ii ready to be a regular yet which I disagree with as he can't be worse than Lovren. Migs is crap and needs to be sold or sacked so Karius can get a real go in the team to see if he is the answer long term. All 4 goals were gifts and that has been the story since Klopp arrived and it starts with the GK who has been useless (bare last 6 games of last season) since day one till this moment. Klopp, time for you to wield the axe and get rid.

22 Oct 2017 19:42:19
I may be in the minority here but I actually think this may end up being a positive result for us. They were nowhere near 4-1 better than us but for 2 players. Mignolet and Lovren. Hopefully Klopp sees that and acts accordingly. Ward in goal for me, Gomez and Matip CB, Moreno/ Robertson left back with TAA right back. You simply can’t concede goals like that at this level. It’s completely unacceptable. Migs and Lovren are good players but weak mentally and we need strong men at the back.

22 Oct 2017 19:54:15
Migs and Lovren are not good players.

22 Oct 2017 20:00:17
Ings good post I was thinking the same thing but with the addition of Karius or ward.

22 Oct 2017 20:06:17
Come on, Ings! Teams know how to beat us, and if that involves changing their game to sit-back letting us ponce around with the ball, so they can then catch us on the break, then so be it.

Its an example of how the Tottenham manager can change his team, unlike Mr Klopp who hasn't quute grasped that yet, and never will in my opinion.

22 Oct 2017 20:10:23
kloop slammed lovren and mignolet after the game bit late now when he consantly picks them week in week out. i said it in an earlier post that's 2 wins in 10 games Leicester and maribor and he's had 5 Windows to sort this out he thinks he can play through every defence we play against and score 3.or 4 but it ain't working i would give WARD and solanke a run of game solanke gives you a different option up front he good in the air too. as for lovren and mignolet leave them in the changing room and throw the key away there useless.

22 Oct 2017 20:12:20
Lovren is playing with a headful of painkillers. It shouldn't be happening. They slow down reactions and make you oblivious to danger. Not good for a cb. Matip header wasn't much better. Matip is good enough as back up cb the other two should be sold, The goalie needs to be karius or ward, probably karius. The lad kept a clean sheet in mid week, it is ridiculous to replace a goalie who doesn't concede. Two players who come under constant criticism moreno and hendo were our best players along with salah.

The only small positive I saw was Aoc actually looked pretty good. A couple of times I thought it was coutinio who had beat his man and made space for himself but it was the ox. He is going to prove a good signing I'm sure of it.

Not good enough today. Spurs done us pretty easily. Sadly we didn't play that bad, bar a few errors but we were still well beat. Fair play to kane, he will be playing for Madrid next year I reckon. Although I have this feeling he will be in a utd shirt one day.

22 Oct 2017 20:14:46
You must have watched a completely different match as they could have easily been 4-0 up after 20 minutes. if you are thinking about the last 30 minutes where coutinho and salah drew good saves from Lloris, they were up 4-1, they let us play, they were not chasing a goal. the game was already won because they know they won't concede more than maximum another goal. They have good defenders and a decent GK, we are miles off Tottenham, that is just a depressing realization. Papering over the cracks will do nothing but help other teams.

22 Oct 2017 20:38:26
Actually Lovren is not playing with painkillers or anything like that, he has been totally fit for 2 weeks now and been training normally, that's just his level with Klopps tactics. Lovrens own words btw!

22 Oct 2017 21:14:10
Fair enough. Lovren was piss poor. There is no communication. Gomez should step up and kane is offside for first goal.

22 Oct 2017 19:20:27
This may be alarmist but I’d seriously consider sacking Klopp if personnel changes aren’t made to our defence. I’d play ward every game from now on. Mignolet is woeful, Karius hasn’t had a chance to impress but hasn’t done a great deal with his chances so far, ward seems to be the right choice. I’d also drop Lovren, if he’s injured as they said on sky and isn’t training then he should not play!

22 Oct 2017 19:43:45
Agree with Ward
Disagree with sacking Klopp
He is ultimately responsible for our defensive problems, but sacking isn’t the answer.

22 Oct 2017 19:52:55
CHUBNEY,
I’ve been saying for a while now that this is the season KLOPP will be be judged, I like the the fella, I think he’s a breath of fresh for the club, but when he says we looked at over 500 centre halves and couldn’t find any better than what we have, he does seem to bring ridicule on himself especially when we keep making the same mistakes game after game. first and foremost we need a top class keeper, MINGO has had enough chances now, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, secondly we need 2 centre - halves, these need to be sorted ASAP.

22 Oct 2017 20:01:23
Man if Klopp goes who can come and do better?
Let him fix this we still have January to reinforce the back line.
Maybe we can't challenge this year but a top four finish will be ok.

22 Oct 2017 20:07:51
He doesn't deserve to be sacked, but deserves all he gets for not adapting.

22 Oct 2017 19:30:37
We have shipped 16 goals in 9 games more than any other top side in the league. I don’t see us finishing inside top 4 nor I see any change in the attitude of the manger. That was an ordinary spurs side who had just 36% of the ball. Poch tactically outclassed Klopp!

22 Oct 2017 21:40:15
I don’t think Klopp should go because he’s done a lot of good but it’s absolutely ludicrous to not change our defence after that and many other showings. If Klopp doesn’t think things should change he’s delusional and should go. I love the man but I genuinely don’t want to watch us anymore if we are going to defend like that!

22 Oct 2017 15:39:21
Spurs without Dembele and Wanyama. c'mon liverpool trash them. You won't get a better chance than this!

22 Oct 2017 16:21:54
It's liverpool fc. Always find a way to muck it up.

22 Oct 2017 15:53:12
We've got this mate!

{Ed025's Note - im wavering..

22 Oct 2017 16:12:15
not a great start that.

22 Oct 2017 16:53:32
where are all the people who predicted winning 5-0 after beating maribor.

22 Oct 2017 18:05:18
Jokes on them right dean? Are you glad they were proved wrong? Nice one mate!

22 Oct 2017 18:20:14
First step with improving is accepting we have an issue. reason we are still sitting in the same place we were 2 years ago with a weak defence when people can't admit fault.

And no I'm now in a foul mood after another piss poor performance.

22 Oct 2017 18:20:21
There's only 1 joke and it's our defence and keeper. The rest of them ain't covering themselves in glory either mind. This team/ squad looks almost like it needs a rebuilding job.

22 Oct 2017 18:48:06
Jayden all the top managers build from the back make the team difficult to beat we seem to buy only attacking midfield players and do any top teams play without a striker firmino is no striker he can play the role but necer will he grab 20+ goals a season.

23 Oct 2017 20:44:20
Am here dean mate and let me tell you humble pie tastes disgusting my friend.

22 Oct 2017 13:30:00
What is all this love in with Davies of Everton? I just don’t get it. If he was at Liverpool he’d be a regular in the U23s but that’s about it. Bang average and that’s Everton’s problem they’ve over rated very average players. Keane, Rooney and Sigurdsson are even worse.

{Ed025's Note - davies is a great young talent ings, but you probably think hendo and wiji are class so its not worth debating it mate..

22 Oct 2017 14:05:53
Can you share your glasses Ings and things 😄😄😄. You are wasting your time Ed025. The lad is quality and I even had an argument with Ed01 on the player a long time ago.

{Ed025's Note - im with you harry, hes a very good youg player mate..

22 Oct 2017 14:05:55
Isn’t this the Liverpool page?

Who cares about Davies?

{Ed025's Note - its also a banter page KR, dont be so insular and defensive mate..

22 Oct 2017 14:20:17
I think the lad is decent, but that's as far as it goes for me, each to their own but point is, he has plenty of time to improve, he's still very young, I'd imagine him been quality in a couple of years time.

22 Oct 2017 14:37:21
Is he better than Woodburn in an attacking role? No. Is he better than Arnold in a wide role? No. Is he better than Chirivella in a holding role? No. Is he better than Grujic or Ejaria playing box to box? Debatable but I'm still saying no.

He's over rated. Everton did this with Baxter, then they did it with Barkley, and now it is Davies turn 👀 he wouldn't even get in our u23's ahead of Virtue in my opinion. He looks good at Everton because he's currently the only player putting in 100% every week. That doesn't make him good; in fact it should be a prerequisite of every professional footballer.

{Ed001's Note - I disagree, no idea what planet Harry is on because I like Davies a lot. He is an excellent centre mid being poorly utilised by a crap manager.}

22 Oct 2017 14:20:30
There's always one Ed.

{Ed025's Note - aint there just barry..

22 Oct 2017 14:36:35
You could say the same about Grujic ed25 or countless other young players in the U23 league. The lad is ok but just ok. I’d put Barkley way ahead of him at the same age and look how that’s panned out.

{Ed025's Note - im not saying hes a world beater ings, just a talented young player who is learning his trade and doing very nicely thanks..

22 Oct 2017 14:43:26
I rest my case ed. Davies just watched first Ozil then Ramsey run off him and Arsenal score.

{Ed025's Note - then he chase lacazette all the way and blocked him...its football..

22 Oct 2017 14:46:47
Maybe next week Ed, when he's playing under a different manager, he'll have a chance to change my opinion! 😂 I've never seen him at youth level, but every senior game I've watched him he's looked rash, had a poor first touch, made poor passing decisions, and his shooting tactic is consistently just "blast it as hard as i can".

He definitely works hard and puts himself about but I'm yet to see any shred of craft, intelligence or technique. I'll watch him again when Koeman is gone and give him a blank slate to change my mind though, because you are usually a sound judge of a player.

{Ed001's Note - he tries too hard but he has quality there mate. Put him next to some quality in midfield and he would shine. Unfortunately he is playing next to a headless chicken s***kicker in Gueye, who is ridiculously overrated.}

22 Oct 2017 14:52:21
Davies looked good last season as well we Everton were doing quite well. He is decent but no world beater in my opinion. Its always difficult to guess how well a player would do in a better team (which in nearly the whole premier league at the minute) . Maybe Everton is his level, maybe he could move to a better team like Watford in the future. Who knows!

{Ed025's Note - im not biting irish.. :)

22 Oct 2017 15:07:31
Davis is one of their brightest spot and MK you are just laying named for the sake for moaning.
Why on earth would the kid be better than Woodburn who is not a CM in million years! Comparing a CM to a playmaker Wow! Now that’s proper crap.

He is 19 and no player at 19 would be a world beater Jesus Christ! The lad has all the quality to become a top top player and I hope so. Your opinion shouldn’t be based on the color of the shirt you wear!

22 Oct 2017 15:13:36
Sorry Ed I really thought Everton would get a draw.

{Ed025's Note - i wish barry, we are poor mate and there is no sign of improvement mate..

22 Oct 2017 15:34:51
That’s the whole point Harry, he’s one of their brightest talents and he’s not very good. Says it all really.

22 Oct 2017 15:37:37
They looked decent after the first goal. If they'd lasted until half time it might have been different. I imagine koeman is saying his goodbye's as I write this.

22 Oct 2017 15:44:52
Did Koeman really just say they had a good start in the game?! They scored with their one shot but arsenal had 17 shots in the first half! This idiot has to go surely? I hope not because I’m loving this but if they keep him now they deserve the championship.

22 Oct 2017 15:19:55
I’ve made a point of watching him in the second half Ed and my opinion hasn’t changed one bit. He seems an honest lad but he’s done nothing on the ball and is completely unaware of what’s going on around him. He just runs around a lot which is more than can be said for Sigurdsson to be fair.

{Ed025's Note - its unfair to judge him in that present side mate..

22 Oct 2017 19:19:05
He is the type of player who goes unnoticed. Like henderson does. They work very hard and you need them. Davies is getting Pl game time at a young age. Of course he is good enough, people who coach know about football. He didn't break into the first team because he has blonde hair. Or because he is a mason. He did it by being good enough. That or he won the raffle.

22 Oct 2017 20:04:51
If he played for us you'd think he was quality lads! Going to be a very good player I think.

22 Oct 2017 11:13:14
just a bit of fun fellow posters but who do you think is getting sacked first from koeman, hughes or bilic? surely the threat of a moyes return should motivate the everton players if nothing else! feel free to join in ed0025.

{Ed001's Note - Bilic I would go for, Stoke have already stood by Hughes long after he should have been sacked and Koeman will get the benefit of the doubt for a bit longer, whereas the Hammers board had an emergency meeting yesterday to discuss Bilic's future.}

22 Oct 2017 11:31:36
I'd of said Koeman but I didn't know about WH having an emergency meeting so it looks like it'll be Bilic, should Everton lose today I'd of thought Koeman will be next.

{Ed025's Note - koeman is odds on with the bookies to go first corleone, lets hope they have got this one right mate..

22 Oct 2017 11:29:05
Bilic would go first followed by Koeman who would be under more pressure after today’s game.
Do you think hammers would tempt Rafa Ed01?

{Ed001's Note - no mate, he has rejected them before because the porn barons are cocks and interfere.}

22 Oct 2017 11:51:29
If Koeman get sacked before Billic then it will be the first thing he's won all season. #sackrace.

22 Oct 2017 12:56:09
Today is the last day of Koeman as Everton's manager.

{Ed025's Note - maybe mate..

22 Oct 2017 13:01:04
Let's hope not. Maybe they beat arsenal first and blow it next week. That would be grand.

22 Oct 2017 13:10:27
My instinct whispers.

22 Oct 2017 13:17:56
which would be a shame for us Liverpool fans, unless moyes gets his old job back!

{Ed025's Note - god forbid KK..

22 Oct 2017 13:27:31
I was going to back Everton to win today but their team is set up not to concede. Will a point be good enough for Koeman to keep his job? I think it will.

22 Oct 2017 13:30:47
That'd be hilarious if they got Moyes back in haha! I think he'd be a great appointment Ed025 lol :)

{Ed025's Note - in our nightmares corleone mate..

22 Oct 2017 13:31:28
you took rooney back ed025.

{Ed025's Note - not me personally mate..

22 Oct 2017 13:19:27
Ed didn't Rafa turn WHU down ad Real called. Was a toss up, the irons or Real. That said I am sure he will stick at Newcastle. If a new owner comes in and invests it could be interesting.

I heard Everton approached him but he said he was staying put. Any truth in that?

{Ed001's Note - no, he turned down West Ham because of the owners and the way they run the club. They are, in effect, defacto directors of football. Problem is they know less about football than most 5 year old kids. Only team I know of approaching him is West Ham sounding him out a few weeks back, but he wasn't interested in talking to them at that moment.}

22 Oct 2017 10:27:55
Rhian Brewster hat trick for England u-17 . The second goal was like Kenny's against Bruges.

22 Oct 2017 06:47:37
It-s obvious from the table that we are City-s only legitimate rivals this season. Go lads. Bring it home.

22 Oct 2017 07:14:36
Ha ha ha ha! Started drinking very early 😄😄.

22 Oct 2017 09:47:06
Is that you Ron?

22 Oct 2017 10:56:16
optimism is a wonderful thing, however we have dropped to many points already, and today we have a tough game. Man city's only threat comes from themselves, we need to put a winning run together and start climbing the table.

22 Oct 2017 11:01:39
That must be Rons even more positive twin.

22 Oct 2017 12:12:50
Nothing wrong with some Ron keague positivity at all.

22 Oct 2017 00:19:50
Morning all, long-time reader / first-time poster.

Question for Ed1 if you’re about please sir. What’s your opinion on Shinji Okazaki?

The more I see of him, the more he impresses me with his work rate, movement, technique and vision. Do you think he’d be a good addition to our squad?

Thanks,

{Ed001's Note - excellent player, but not sure he would be that good for us. He does not score enough.}

22 Oct 2017 04:04:40
Yeah good player. I wouldn't be gutted if we signed him.

22 Oct 2017 06:39:32
For what? To run around a lot? Another Henderson type! Great energy and nothing more!

22 Oct 2017 10:13:24
Seriously Harry, you found a way to drag Henderson into a conversation about Okazaki as well? Is it obsession or just pure hatred for our captain, i just don't know anymore.