Liverpool Banter Archive November 22 2017
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22 Nov 2017 22:49:10
I honestly think if klopp had brought Milner and can on at half time we would of won the game instead of him thinking we'll just go out and get another 3 goals in the second half his use of subs baffles me sometimes. he said after the game we stopped playing football in my opinion seville made a tactical change at half time and we got over run and he only changed it when it went 3.2 i think he's slow to react only my opinion.
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22 Nov 2017 23:26:18
Why on earth would Klopp make that sort of change at half time? 3-0 up and things looking good. What if he had made that change and they still got back into the game? Would we see banners at Anfield calling for KLOPP OUT?
We just love to lay blame here. Sevilla picked up their act and played good footy. Our midfield couldn't cope and the usual set piece defending issues came to the fore. Have we conceded from set pieces with Can and Milner on the pitch in the past? definitely have.
I know many would have been happy with a point but are gutted at the manner in which we were overrun, and I understand that. But let's get a grip. We're still on a decent run, a good performance against Chelski and suddenly the "fans" on here will be on cloud 9 again.
22 Nov 2017 23:40:51
Name me one manager who has made 2 substitutions at half time when their team were winning 3-0?
22 Nov 2017 23:52:38
Captain Hindsight to the rescue.
22 Nov 2017 23:54:35
maybe he should have are you allowed to play two keepers at once? like sub mignolet on for firmino and he can just play in goal next to karius without using his hands? crazy idea I know.
23 Nov 2017 00:18:14
100% right smeg - who in their right mind changes things at half time when 3-0 up and plays someone at left back that hasn’t played there all season?
Everyone is so quick to blame individuals and look for excuses, it’s the whole teams fault for not coming out at 100% and then panicking a bit. Hopefully we learn and move on.
23 Nov 2017 03:03:25
Yeah that screams hindsight for me. Don’t get me wrong he’s deserved criticism for his poor game management in the past but this wasn’t his fault. Far too often we suffer from individual errors but I do think as a whole the defensive issues are down to Klopp. After the first goal id agree, changes were needed as Sevilla had complete momentum at this point and it was obvious we were going to be on the ropes for the rest of the game but they scored quite quickly after. Its a shocker but it’s one of those ones where you just can’t blame the manager, we executed the game plan perfectly with a bit of luck then certain players messed it up. A draw would have been an acceptable result before the game but what transpired made it feel like a defeat. Last 16 is as far as we’re getting if Sevilla are that hard to beat for us.
23 Nov 2017 05:01:49
Actually this 3rd time we play Sevilla. And the main tormentors same guy- Banega. He wears no.10 but plays both no.10 and no.6 . Often collecting ball from back 4 to spread passes to forwards and instigate attack. Why din Klopp and co figure that out? Henderson cannot cope with him nor any of mobile sevilla midfielders who like to play quick 1 touch passing. To stop that we need dig in grind out result, even bit of gamesmanship. No. we didn't.
{Ed001's Note - we managed to stop him in the first half when he was abysmal. They chaged formation to move him away from Henderson and that was when he took control of the game. I know that doesn't fit in with your constant, pathetic and frankly boringly repetitive whines, but it is true.}
23 Nov 2017 06:34:21
Why would Klopp make changes at half time. Everything was going according to plan till then. And it was the players that went into hiding so it was not Klopp's fault. I have my reservations about Klopp but the capitulation was on the players who forgot their balls back on Merseyside.
23 Nov 2017 07:47:31
Ed01, shouldn’t a Klopp then have made a tactical change to again cancel him out of the game. And then another if that didn’t work, and another and another if needed. My fear is when we are getting dominated Klopp doesn’t have any idea how to stem it, City, Spurs now Sevilla, where was he tactical genius to stem the flood.
{Ed001's Note - he did make changes, Can was brought on to play in the area around Banega to try and close him down but Can did not do the job well.}
23 Nov 2017 14:37:04
Did you say we manage to stop Banega in 1st half ed001? We did not. They fashion at least 2 clear cut chances 1 vs 1 with GK. 1st half could have ended 2-3 had they scored. It was Banega who asking the question in 1st half then 1nd half they step it up and then took their chances.
{Ed001's Note - sorry but you are talking crap, Banega was awful in the first half, as he himself said. You might want to learn to stop whining and try watching the games without your anti-anyone who plays for Liverpool blinkers on in future.}
22 Nov 2017 22:22:41
Read a fairly damning stat from another site today that that was the 21st time we have dropped points from a winning position and The fifth time from 2 goals up or better in Klopp 119 games in charge. Not going to win much with those type of stats.
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23 Nov 2017 00:15:32
not sure if this is true, but I have heard that we have conceded 3 goals or more in 15 matches under Klopp, that's a lot isn't it .
23 Nov 2017 06:43:56
What frustrates me with our midfield players is they consistently get sucked into the man with the ball, who can then play a simple pass to bypass them. It's normally Hendo and wijnaldum who you see it happen to several times a game.
22 Nov 2017 20:57:29
Our team needs a new Midfield.
We Need urgently a Sergeant Major in DM. someone like VIDAL, de rossi, mascherano, players with guts. players who LEAD. i don't care if they are not so good with the ball, but in games like yesterday you need attitude. and CAN, HENDO, GINI, MILNER are not Leaders. You can't have a good Defense if you don't a Have a Great Midfield. So Mr Klopp, please buy a Defensive Midfielder first, and then, a LB and a CB.
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22 Nov 2017 22:26:34
All the players you’ve named are past it.
23 Nov 2017 07:05:13
So you would rather have someone that can't play football but can shout a lot?
{Ed025's Note - well joey barton is available slowdog.. :)
23 Nov 2017 10:05:18
vidal is the worst sugestion for a dm.
22 Nov 2017 16:41:11
I have been a critic of Klopp throughout the season and I was bitterly disappointed at what happened last night. But we will have to judge Klopp at the end of this season which in effect will be his third. If he does not win anything are the owners going to stick or twist. Personally I would give him one more season at Anfield after this one.
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22 Nov 2017 17:10:07
Yes I agree. But it needs some changes in personel and formation, urgently.
22 Nov 2017 17:36:36
During the next two transfer windows, Klopp has to bring in the right players, or he will get his P45, this is a results League, the owners want to see something for their money .
we have no leaders, and not enough winners, too many of our players seem okay with a draw .
22 Nov 2017 17:45:29
Can we all just calm down. We drew a match lads. Too much talk as if we've crashed out of Europe altogether.
22 Nov 2017 18:05:03
we need to kop on quickly or we will be playing on a Thu night, we need a bit more steel in our side, we have too many nice players .
22 Nov 2017 18:17:54
An away draw against a team which won the Europe League for 2/ 3 years in a row is hardly a poor performance. Yes it was disappointing given our start but think some comments here are verging on hysterical.
22 Nov 2017 18:38:50
I don't think owners are too concerned with success. As long as sponsorship and sky money keeps rolling in they will be happy. Klopp seems to be a good public face to help attract these sponsors.
{Ed002's Note - The owners are desperate for success and Klopp does not attract sponsorship of any note at all.}
22 Nov 2017 19:04:08
I would think success would bring the sponorship. I know you will say FSG have invested plenty, but compared to our direct competitors we spend significantly less on players and wages. I don't count Spurs as they have done a superb job but I think that side will start to break up very soon.
Our transfer record is £39m and highest wage maybe £150,000 a week. I would say Chelsea, Man Ure, City, have all got 3 or more players that cost more and all 3 clubs pay upto £300,000 per week. Difficult to truly compete if year after year your competition spend £50m more than you.
I do agree though that we do not help ourselves and the money we have wasted over the years has been shocking. But the main transfers Mane, Salah are both worth more money now and the rest of Klopp's buys would overall make a small profit as well. So I hope if we keep Klopp out of negotiations we can bring in some quality players asap. Invest now to increase the revenue and improve on the pitch.
22 Nov 2017 19:09:56
When Klopp first joined I was very excited that we had a Manager who had won a league elsewhere so I thought he should know what it takes to help us win the title. He will have had 3 seasons when this one ends and we are no closer to winning the league than we were when we had Rodgers. Now I don’t expect miracles but what I do expect is progress and I can’t see any. I think If we miss out on champions league this season it’s simple Klopp has to go.
22 Nov 2017 23:57:44
we had 2.5 rubbish seasons with Rodgers and one fluke season.
23 Nov 2017 00:18:52
only problem there Cy, is, who do you bring in . I would hate to see the likes of big Sam or Pulis throwing their hat into the ring .
23 Nov 2017 08:32:10
Short memories round here - it took 6/ 7 seasons before Alex Ferguson won the league at United but everyone here expects it done in 2.5 seasons - bonkers.
23 Nov 2017 10:17:22
There plenty of great Managers out there HTBAR who could take us to the next level. Great ones such Ancelotti, Maurizio Sarri, Diego Simeone, Thomas Tuchel to name a few. I even think Benitez has unfinished business with us and I would welcome him back with open arms.
Johnny football has changed, its a results business now and nowadays Klopp is a lucky man to be given 3 seasons to win something at a club like us. He was linked with the biggest jobs in world football before he joined us and If he was at Chelsea, Real Madrid or Bayern he would not be given this amount of time to try and win something.
23 Nov 2017 12:20:46
3 Seasons for a club like us? We have won nothing of note in 11 years, we have little spending power compared to the other big clubs, we constantly sell our bestter players instead of building a team, we aren't run by football people, we are lucky to get top 4.
23 Nov 2017 16:20:07
I feel Klopp has done well on certain things and poorly on certain things. Obviously our attack is threatening, love the speed on our wings and Firmino is all round an awesome player up front.
He's been very poor coaching defensive tactics and set pieces, or. he's been addressing these issues and our players just don't get it.
When we have the same issues week in week out there is a problem.
I wouldn't abandon Klopp but maybe bring in an assistant manager who's an expert on defensive tactics, cause let's face it the lads aren't getting it. And that's not putting blame completely on our backline but everyone as a cohesive unit. We score goals as a squad we concede goals as a squad.
Moreno made mistakes, if he hadn't maybe we win that game, maybe we don't, but up 3-0 @ half, there is no way we should be drawing or losing that game. But that realistically sums up our season thus far as until change is made in some form, we are always going to be worried, even 3-0 up!
Let's see some change, although I don't think Klopp out is the answer.
22 Nov 2017 16:28:29
{Ed's Note - we have posted a new article entitled, Sevilla v Liverpool Match Review - A Liverpool Perspective
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22 Nov 2017 17:16:08
Brilliant read Ed001, I can agree with all of that. I just hope Klopp opens his eyes and starts playing Karius in the PL games, as well as the CL.
22 Nov 2017 17:17:49
Excellent review ED
ED I hope the firmino comment, 9 in 19 being a shame was a joke!
If only there was a way we can switch the halves around ed, the result yesterday seems like a huge win. Funny bit the scoreline would still read 3-3.
To the people who are saying we will get smashed by chelsea coz of yesterday, I will put a 100 quid down that we will win if there are any takers!
{Ed001's Note - of course it was a joke mate, I am constantly having to defend Bobby's goalscoring record on here as I am told he doesn't score goals!}
22 Nov 2017 18:14:31
Also Henderson another one of your favourites. He was truly awful in the second half, how can you give Gini more critisism that Henderson? He is the captain and the holding DM, surely it was his job to pull Gini back and tell him what he expected. I never see him talking on the pitch, just a quick come on. He is useless at leading the team and a major major problem why we keep dropping points. There is no way Henderson should play agains't Chelsea.
22 Nov 2017 18:06:27
Come on Ed001 your starting to sound like MK. Firminho had a very good first half clearly the best player on the pitch. But if you think he had a good second half that is just favouritism. He gave the ball away a lot, couldn't hold it long enough for the team to get out. Didn't win any fouls, the ball just kept coming back time after time. After 70mins he was walking a lot. I don't really blame him, he should has been changed for fresh legs.
Just because he is your favourite player doesn't mean you can't say he had a poor second half.
{Ed001's Note - he is not my favourite player. Stop making assumptions.}
22 Nov 2017 18:48:12
Mark, its up to Klopp to use his subs the way he thinks is the best for the team, I thought Firminho had a great first half, but he ran of steam in the 2nd half, and the Ox should have been brought on much earlier .
22 Nov 2017 19:01:09
Did not do enough to gee up his teammates after they scored. The comment about Henderson to me is valid for more than just last night, the fact he walked straight back in he team after the West Ham win is a worry to me he should earn his way back in, seems like a nice guy and a good player but is he captain material, not that there are many alternatives.
22 Nov 2017 18:58:53
out of curiosity who is your fave player ed, id guess mane.
{Ed001's Note - to be honest I don't really have a soft spot for any of them now Lucas has left. Though Salah is going the right way about changing that!}
22 Nov 2017 19:25:26
Happy to be a red, I have said exactly that on other posts.
Mane my favourite.
Ed001 thanks for the site and your work.
22 Nov 2017 20:18:30
Eds1 could have done with Lucas last night.
{Ed001's Note - defo mate, he would have protected the defence. And sorry to mark, I didn't mean to not reply to you and thank you, I must have accidentally closed the Ed's note window after typing my reply. So thank you mark. I have to be honest though I am not really taking to any of our current players yet, it always takes a while for me to like them. I like the long serving players, that prove themselves over time.}
22 Nov 2017 20:56:08
Ed, Firmino and Henderson are clearly your favorites hahahahaha come on now.
{Ed001's Note - I would think I would know if they were, but they are far from my favourites.}
22 Nov 2017 21:08:05
Cheers ed001. I hope Can is protecting the defence on Saturday.
{Ed001's Note - I would go with him as well, he is the best we have in that position and role.}
22 Nov 2017 21:14:06
I thought Mignolet was your favourite Ed 😜.
{Ed001's Note - ah of course, sorry I must have forgotten him,...}
22 Nov 2017 22:52:32
Another great read ED, would you keep or switch Moreno for the weekend?
{Ed001's Note - I would rest him, but I think Klopp will probably stick with him.}
22 Nov 2017 23:07:47
I was thinking it’s more Moreno Ed001 😉.
{Ed001's Note - so other people have suggested, oddly.}
23 Nov 2017 04:08:22
It’s nice to some people have woken up and realised we needed a defensive midfielder. Some of the delusional comments during the summer were laughable, saying we didn’t need one.
22 Nov 2017 16:11:36
If you are going to blame klopp for the second half implosion then please applaud him for the first half explosion.
I believe strongly in judging Klopp for this season but the players must be looked at first.
Maybe the first half is how most of them show up in training, then second half is how they pitch up on most match days.
Too many players we have are training session wonders but match day blunders.
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23 Nov 2017 00:21:47
I kinda agree with you there Mtun, we were brilliant the first half, problem is that we had another half to play, and we just didn't .
22 Nov 2017 15:52:26
Surely our defensive problems could be sorted by not playing hendo as a DM? Sign savic and push him further up or sell him.
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22 Nov 2017 17:07:38
Agree 100% Lerchy.
22 Nov 2017 13:52:38
Ed will there be a match review for last nite after you stop hurting mate?
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{Ed001's Note - yes mate, I have been doing it but had to go out most of today so I am a bit behind.}
22 Nov 2017 16:26:06
Just wanna say I appreciate you waiting a day to cool your head before you write them.
{Ed001's Note - it gives me a chance to rewatch the game with a calmer head as well. Thank you though mate, I do think it is better, which is why I stopped writing them immediately after.}
22 Nov 2017 18:19:52
I just see the rage after results like these and wonder what some
OF their reviews would Be like lol.
22 Nov 2017 13:11:36
Would've been worse if Moscow had beaten maribor as it is now they've got to come at us at anfield. Would've taken needing a point in the last home game to qualify at the start of the season.
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22 Nov 2017 13:27:33
We need to top the group. Runners up plays the winners in round of 16. Top the group and you might draw Besiktas. Runners up means Barcelona, PSG etc!
22 Nov 2017 13:36:51
Winners could get Real Madrid as well Harry. there are no easy next round fixtures.
22 Nov 2017 13:56:56
I don't care who we get in the next round as long as we go through. Although I cannot say I don't enjoy the idea of us getting Barcelona in the next round and knocking them out.
22 Nov 2017 14:05:06
Are we not already through bar losing by 4 goals at home? As stated it doesn’t really matter if you top the group as all games are as hard as the other in knock outs . Saying that we should win at home and top the group .
22 Nov 2017 14:41:29
Or is it that head to head non sense?
22 Nov 2017 14:51:49
SG8greatest.
Regarding qualification from the groups when teams finish on equal points:
Article 17.01 states the the first thing to be considered is the points gained between the teams in question. If Spartak win at Anfield, they'll have scored 4 points from the two games between us while Liverpool will have earned just one point. On that basis, Liverpool would be back to playing on Thursday nights in the Europa League.
Liverpool need to avoid defeat to get into the last 16.
22 Nov 2017 14:55:00
Head to head so if we lose by one we're out, regardless though, we should hammer them, European night at anfield.
22 Nov 2017 15:11:54
Should. just like we should have beaten Sevilla.
22 Nov 2017 15:15:31
They hammered Sevilla.
22 Nov 2017 16:00:55
Top of the group as it stands could play Real Madrid, Porto, Juventus or Bayern Munich, I don’t really think it matters first or second so long as we go through.
Spartak hammered Sevilla at home but couldn’t beat Maribor home or away, previous results mean nothing, we should have enough quality to not lose to Spartak at home.
22 Nov 2017 16:34:01
Beskitas are topping their group Harry.
22 Nov 2017 17:53:28
Sevilla have to beat Maribor, otherwise we're through.
If Sevilla beat Maribor, we need a draw but not more than 1 goal conceded.
22 Nov 2017 18:45:26
DJP! Maybe you can help! 17.01 D says if A - D don't separate the teams then reapply excluaivly for matcjes between the teams in question. Do you know what means?
22 Nov 2017 19:00:13
We just need a draw even 6 all doesn't matter.
22 Nov 2017 19:24:25
That true Irish, looking at head to head too closely 😎.
22 Nov 2017 23:39:39
Been a very frustrating group, reflecting on all of the games so far, the way they went we should have won ‘em all.
22 Nov 2017 13:10:51
I just want to say, Karius made two world class saves last night an effectively won us a point.
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22 Nov 2017 13:23:39
I agree, some very good saves, and although at first view I thought he could've done better on the third goal, it came through so many bodies he saw it extremely late so don't think with hindsight he was to blame for any goal.
22 Nov 2017 13:38:56
Preaching to the choir Benny, unfortunately Klopp doesn’t see it so we’ll revert back to Migs. If the attacking three are a credit to Klopp then Surely playing the wrong keeper in the league is a huge black mark on him as manager.
22 Nov 2017 13:39:10
I've seen enough to suggest he must at least get a chance ahead of mignolet.
22 Nov 2017 13:59:34
World Class? Standards have certainly dropped.
22 Nov 2017 16:15:09
Yes but migs saves the penalty haha.
22 Nov 2017 17:13:05
Irish rover he clearly isn't saying Karius is world class! But the 1 on 1 save on to post 1st half, and 1 on to crossbar 2nd were brilliant saves. When de gea etc make brilliant saves like that we rightly praise him so give Karius praise he deserves for once as we're quick to jump on his back for slightest thing!
22 Nov 2017 17:44:29
Tbf, I'd quite possibly would have criticised Migs for the third goal had it been him, so it wouldn't be fair not to mention it in judging Karius. He did see it late, and may not have got to it anyway, but he sort of fell on the ground rather than really dive for it.
But, Karius made two saves that Migs wouldn't have, pressured a Sevilla player into a miss in a 1v1 situation where Migs would've probably sold himself and given them a tap in. He also showed bravery that Migs doesn't display in coming a long way for the ball and basically smashing a Sevilla player out of his way in the process early in the second half. His distribution is far better, even going long all night his kicks ended up where Firmino or Mane could compete for them, whereas half of Migs' long kicks go into no man's land.
So yeah, Karius is unquestionably the better 'keeper, imo. And he's played 8 or 9 competitive games since the new year whereas Migs has 30-40 under his belt, so Migs should be sharper.
23 Nov 2017 00:03:45
I hate the line that goes "if it was X player he would have scored that goal" or "if it was X player he wouldn't have saved that". it's such a stupid way of analyzing things, cos the world's best all miss chances. what we're looking for is a reduction in howlers and in our goal keepers situation we want them to be able to take charge of the backline. I'm not sure whether Karius does that any better than Migs to be honest.
22 Nov 2017 12:06:24
ED01, Is Souness in your to do list mate?
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{Ed001's Note - no legends list could ever be complete without Souie.}
22 Nov 2017 12:20:55
Absolutely looking forward to it mate. He is up there with Kenny and Barnes for me! The best ever Central Midfidler!
22 Nov 2017 14:25:03
Go on Ed001 mate, throw supersub in there as well. effectively that term was invented for him and in many ways he embodies what a lot of players fail to do these days. As far as I know he never threw his "toys out the pram". he simply got on with making the best of his situation and who can forget his stunning effort against St Etienne in 77. In fact Klopp and our current players might learn a lot by watching that game. plus, how good was Kevin Keegan. we go on about PC but KK was extraordinary.
{Ed001's Note - great shout mate.}
22 Nov 2017 11:23:07
It's been said by many that supporters can have an effect on players be it good or bad. It's obvious that a great many LFC supporters have fragile mentalities with their knee jerk reactions to poor results. The players themselves are accused of having questionable mentalities when things go wrong. So my question is this.
Is it the fans affecting the players or vice versa?
If the blame lies with the fan base then we all need to grow a massive pair and revert back to what we were once hailed for ie. "the best, knowledgeable support in the land". If its the players at fault then only recruitment can rectify the problem.
Personally, and I'm sorry if I appear to sit on the fence, I think it's both. Years of desperation to see LFC become great again have produced support that bask and crow in the light of success but then fall apart when things turn bad, spewing out abuse on social media and more importantly at the game. A nod to Ed002 for calling it.
The players themselves have shown mental weakness when under pressure. We know who they are so I won't call them out. Hopefully subsequent transfer windows will transform things.
Sorry for the long post. It's something that has plagued me for a while now and I'd love to hear the Ed's and fans views on the matter.
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22 Nov 2017 11:55:32
I wrote a post that the Eds (probably wisely) decided not to put up. Long story short - its the fans to the point where it's very difficult to blame players like can and coutinho for wanting out and frankly shocking that many others aren't trying to follow them. We have a problem with character and leadership but it's been massively exacerbated by fans so willing to destroy anyone who has any position of authority and so willing to bury anyone who struggles in any given game.
22 Nov 2017 12:55:43
Liverpool were doing well in their previous games before they threw away a 3 goal lead last night. I fail to see how the fans could have had any effect on that.
22 Nov 2017 13:01:33
It's the pendulum that's the problem, we over praise players that we like, we over criticize those we don't. Look at poor Moreno, he's gone from our most hated player to some calling him the best left back in the league. It then took just one game for fans to turn on him again.
Moreno is the exact same player he's always been, he wasn't as bad as people used to make out and he's not as good as some are calling him now.
22 Nov 2017 13:45:35
Oh yes its the fans fault we haven't won the league for 26 years. The fault is the players are not good enough. I could understand the point if this collapse was the first time or it happened only once a season but it happens far too often. With the weak players we have it will continue to happen time and time again.
Fans invest money, time, energy etc into supporting the club but when its so obvious what is wrong we have to call for change. Its been said Courtino wants out because he wants to win things. If he sits in the dressing room and looks at the other players its no wonder he wants out.
22 Nov 2017 15:32:22
We could always do a better job getting behind the team but generally it's the many years of disallusion which has made so many voices bitter. We have been mismanaged and embarrassed by our dealings time and time again and it's reached a point of almost grim acceptance of our yearly predicaments. Watching other teams rise around us has been disheartening and every time we look like we are making steps forward, fresh problems shine through. Invariably there are scapegoats which is a shame but why is it always the players whose name we chant loudest that hand in the transfer request first? And why is it we still cheer them on when they get on the ball?
22 Nov 2017 16:14:43
Players I feel have to take most the blame, this team seems to play fine at home but as soon as we play away from home and concede a goal and the opposition crowd start making noise the team seems to folds under pressure, the team doesn't know who to take the sting out a game.
22 Nov 2017 17:51:44
how about putting a share of the blame on those who have been making our transfers, some of the players brought in, have not been the right ones for the system we play, or in fact are not tough enough .
{Ed002's Note - So Klopp then.}
22 Nov 2017 10:25:53
When you realize, Next up. Kante, Fabregas, Moratta and Hazard 😄😄😄😄.
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22 Nov 2017 10:56:04
Every time we lose you start gushing over other teams players. Chelsea got smashed 3-0 by Roma away in the Champions league. The Roma who sold their best player to us in the summer.
Liverpool fans (not that i think you are one) don't deserve the Champions league if they can't handle a draw or a defeat to one of the best teams in Europe. Sevilla are easily in the top 16 teams in Europe, maybe the top 8. They've won more in Europe in the last 5 years than Liverpool have in the last 30.
We just rocked up to their own patch and slaughtered them for 45 minutes. They came out in the second half with a point to prove and showed they are just as good as us though. It was a good old fashioned slugging fest which ended honours even between two evenly matched teams.
People banging on about how our midfield was useless and we need a solid holding player? One of the best holding players in Europe is N'Zonzi who got blitzed by us in the first 45 minutes. I doubt you'll find any Sevilla fans asking for his or the managers head though, despite them being as bad if not worse than us in the first half half.
If you lot don't want to play against the best teams in Europe and sometimes struggle, don't watch us in the Champions League? Even Barcelona, Juventus, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Man City and PSG have been absolutely destroyed in this competition in recent years. You can't pit yourselves against the best players, managers and teams in Europe and then cry over a 3-3 draw away from home.
Liverpool fans are so god damn precious nowadays. Maybe we'd be better off not qualifying in future!
22 Nov 2017 11:04:11
agree MK.
We have to look forward. Think most would taken the run of results in the last four games after the the spurs game.
22 Nov 2017 11:06:18
No you are wrong again. We would be better off if we had players who could keep the ball, defend, communicate, think, head it, hold position.
Name one leader
one player who likes to head it
one player who is a good header of the ball
one player who digs people out
one player who can organise.
22 Nov 2017 11:30:35
Don't get me wrong jordz, I'm livid we drew from 3-0 up. These things happen though, regardless of how many good defenders you have.
Go back about 18 months. We are 3-1 down against Borrussia Dortmund on aggregate. With their away goal, we needed 3 in the second half to progress. Dortmund had arguably the best centre back and one of the best leaders in world football in Mats Hummels that day. We scored 3 anyway and won 4-3 on aggregate.
Go back 12 years. AC Milan 3-0 up at half time. They had Cafu, Dida, Nesta, Maldini, Kaka etc and yet they got ripped apart in the second half by Liverpool and threw the game away.
2 years ago PSG are 4-0 up on aggregate against Barcelona. They then score an away goal in the second leg meaning Barcelona need 6 goals. This is the PSG with Thiago Silva, Motta, Verratti, Matuidi etc. Barcelona put 3 past them in the final 10 minutes to win 6-5 on aggregate.
If you lads can't cope with sometimes getting put to the sword by very good opposition, the Champions league is not for you. No amount of good defenders can keep the ball out of the net in the Champions league every week. Even the great Buffon, Chiellini, Bazargli, Bonucci quartet of last season got embarrassed by Isco, Ronaldo and Benzema in last years final.
People have every right to be upset and feel down, but these things happen so spouting off abuse and demanding we replace everyone behind the front 3 will not change a thing. No matter how good your individuals are, you'll still get punished if you get complacent. It happens to the best teams in the world, so why are we so special?
22 Nov 2017 11:35:19
“. We just rocked up to their own patch and slaughtered them for 45 minutes. â€
We did not. This is pure bull. Thy gifted us two goals and were clearly the better team through out. I would need to find out the meaning of Slaughtering.
You are right, Sevilla are not Premier league farmers! A proper footballing team who taught us some good lessons the other day!
22 Nov 2017 11:58:53
3-0 in half an hour is not slaughtering? Did you actually watch it? We could've been 8-0 up at half time.
Anyway then Harry, by your logic we also didn't get slaughtered in the second half because we gifted them 3 goals.
22 Nov 2017 12:19:16
Mark are you suggesting that nobody in that 2005 AC Milan side was a good defender, a good leader, or could head a football?
Once a team takes their foot off the gas (even subconsciously) it is very difficult to go back up into top gear. The key is not to take your foot off the gas in the first place. That is not an exact science though and the best players in history have been equally as guilty for doing it. Ferguson and Paisley are the best ever because they put the fear of god into their team if they dared to think a game was won before the final whistle.
I am not defending what happened last night, I'm just defending the individuals getting blamed. As a collective, the whole team was unprofessional last night and nobody took the second half seriously until it was too late. They all expected Sevilla to roll over and die in the second half. This is the first time we've lost a 3-0 lead under Klopp, so let's just hope he and his players learn from it, and be thankful that it came in a game that won't hurt our season as long as we beat Spartak.
22 Nov 2017 12:36:57
The last decent team we played was Spurs and they put 4 past us, same old problems been covered up, the space Henderson was leaving in front of our defence was awful, the equaliser came from a guy left unmarked 7 yards out in the last minute, Morenos concentration wasn't there from the first minute, we lack a real leader in that middle who should have pulled in the players around him and said "we stay tight and give nothing away" Henderson was still streaming forward leaving the same old gaps, Lucas has really been missed this year, now I don't know if the players just aren't listening but Klopp should have been going nuts at that midfield an defence on the side, we had the goals scored and the points in the bag, game management is hugely lacking and the lack of leadership and a voice is worrying, glad we never lost but the last few games have covered up the cracks that are still blindingly obvious.
22 Nov 2017 12:55:49
Your points are pretty faultless MK, You love a good essay don't ya? I'm not sure why Mark and harry are finding it so easy to disagree.
We definitely rocked up and "slaughtered them" for 45 minutes, at half time I wasn't thinking we need to be careful and see the game out, I was thinking I wonder how many more we will score, Salah doesn't even have one yet, they looked absolutely shocking in the first half.
Moreno has been praised a lot recently, words like "turned a corner" and "like a new signing" have been used to describe his turn in form and rightly so. He has 1 bad game in the last 5 or 6 and all of a sudden people want him strung up again. I'm wondering if these are the same type of people that send death threats to their own players.
Its exactly as MK has put it, 1 game against a team we already drew against and who beat us to the Europa title a couple of seasons ago. It happens, we are top of the table still and have Spartak to play who just drew against a team we put 10 goals past.
Some of you are acting like we just got relegated. I say fair play to Sevilla.
As this is a rumour page I will post what I have heard. I believe that The Sevilla manager told his players at half time that he had Cancer which spured their comeback. Probably a load of rubbish but that's what I'm hearing.
{Ed001's Note - Moreno received a lot of abuse on here, which I had to delete, including morons posting about breaking his legs etc.
And it is not a rumour about Berrizzo, Sevilla confirmed the news.}
22 Nov 2017 13:44:40
MK, we’ve beaten Maribor so far in Europe, that’s it mate, Maribor. We were 3 nil up and capitulated. Would you have taken 3-3 at halftime when we were 3-0 up?
22 Nov 2017 13:58:49
Mk what's it got to do with 2005 or 1960 or whenever. I am interested in this season. What leasons did we learn from last season? The same problems keep repeating themselves. Its going to go on and on and on.
We will win a few games and you will say we are getting better and he is this and that. But I would put very good money on the fact that these players will let us down quite a few more times this season. Can't we at the very least get someone who can head a ball and someone in central midfield who can control a game. That can't be too mush to ask.
I haven't mentioned Moreno in my posts because he has done well this seson and that's his first bad game. But he ends up in central midfield chasing the ball. Is that stupidity? Klopps fault? I just don't know, its almost behond words how bad that is.
22 Nov 2017 14:19:00
It was a poor second half, but we were also up against a very good Sevilla side in a torrid away match. why do we implode on this site every time we have a bad half? I’m far more worried when we capitulate vs someone like Bournemouth or Watford. but Sevilla away from home? Gutting yes, but we act like we’re in crisis instead of having a bad half hour after a couple of weeks of very good football. We all need to grow up a bit and have a bit of perspective.
As for Moreno he made some mistakes but they were also close calls which the players made the most of. Naive perhaps but he’s also learning. It’s despicable the way players are taken apart in such a personal way when they’re just doing their best for the club.
22 Nov 2017 14:19:41
MK it might be we’ll be the first time we have given away a 3 goal lead under Klopp but the frustration is more that losing points from winning positions is a recurring theme we lost 18 points from winning positions last season and last night when the first goal went in it was a case of here we go again.
Agree completely that some of the abuse of individuals is over the top but there is definitely an issue that Klopp the coaches the players all need to rectify.
22 Nov 2017 15:07:01
If you end up flapping a 3-0 lead to draw 3-3 then I can't think of a better situation for it to happen. Congratulations to Sevilla and their manager, I'm sure it will be a welcome boost that he needs right now.
22 Nov 2017 16:02:36
I swear Harry only shows up when we don’t win, it’s enough to make me think that he enjoys it.
22 Nov 2017 10:01:41
I am not upset when the third goal went in.
Been there, done it, will be there again and do it again.
Just liverpool things.
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22 Nov 2017 09:49:06
Just a quick mid week loan update to say Sheyi Ojo returned from injury last night for Fulham and bagged 2 goals and an assist in an epic 5-4 win over Sheffield Utd.
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22 Nov 2017 10:02:45
On the same note. Sessengon scored a hat trick. Best English left back in the making. The kid was class apart.
22 Nov 2017 11:26:22
On Harry. Not on the same note. Nothing to do with the same note. One is our player, out on loan doing well. The other is sod all to do with us. Bobby Akinde scored for Barnet, Benzema got two for Real, Vardy watched his wife banter with Ant and Dec on TV and that fat keeper that ate a pie on the bench last year had steak and chips for dinner. Sadly for you and your obcession with other teams and how much better everyone is than every liverpool player, this is actually a liverpool page, not just a general update on how every sodding player in the world got on with their Tuesday night activity.
22 Nov 2017 12:13:51
Sessengon is a player the club looked in the past and almost signed last summer Hjikle. He is a very young lad of the age 17 mate. Appreciating a young kid is no crime mate. He might never wear our shirt but he is little lad who is playing really well. Why do you twist everything. He was the player Klopp really wanted to sign in the summer and who knows he might be a Liverpool player next summer.
Take a chill. I just appreciated a young 17 year old kid who scored a hat trick! What’s wrong! Lol my obsession! Just consider me a football supporter mate!
22 Nov 2017 12:27:20
No Harry, you're on obsessive who won't stop banging on about every other player on the planet except our ones. And until we do sign Sessengon, which looks fairly unlikely at any time at best, his activities have very little bearing on a loan update about one of our players.
Always funny to be told to chill by someone who posts about 10 separate mindless bashing posts about our own squad in one morning (don't believe me? not just this page, go check what Harry's been up to this morning on the 'other' post tab) and then a further two about how great a LB in Fulham is and how great the chelsea squad is.
22 Nov 2017 08:56:09
On a side note,
Sevilla coach Eduardo was diagnosed with cancer which he reveled to his players during the half time interval. Hope he come back strong. Top character. Prayers and thoughts.
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22 Nov 2017 12:14:37
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Liverpool and page and a tribute to the coach of sevilla. Blame me man! You are good at it!
22 Nov 2017 12:28:46
Brilliant Harry. The first classy thing you did all year and you managed to ruin it.
22 Nov 2017 08:51:24
Amazing isn't it? Moreno's one of our best players this season, massively turned his performance around, has a bad 15 minutes and suddenly we need to get rid and he's not good enough again. And then we describe our players as 'confidence players' - no wonder, I'd like to see how you lot manage when you play for your career in literally every performance! The way some of our fans go off, Messi would have been binned a couple of seasons back when he didn't score for over a month and on Ronaldo's current form he wouldn't even be sold, he'd just be 'old yellered' in his garden.
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22 Nov 2017 10:12:40
Moreno was never a brilliant defender. If that is what you are looking from a left back then I am afraid you are going to be dissapointed mate. He is good when he bombs high up!
22 Nov 2017 10:45:58
He's not even a defender. He's an ok left midfielder/ winger. Whoever scouted him? Stevie Wonder?
22 Nov 2017 10:51:28
Moreno has been decent this season. Which is an improvement on his other seasons. Has been one of our best players almost made me choke on my coffee.
22 Nov 2017 11:11:17
mereno has been good this seaso, his attitude second to none but Thant doesn’t change the fact he caused two goals last night. Am I calling for his head? No, but I think he’s lioeavke and can offer something to the club but yesterday I think his emotions got the better of him.
22 Nov 2017 08:31:15
Imagine if we came back from 3-0 down to draw 3-3? We'd call it the greatest comeback in Champions league history!
Come on lads, there is no need for this tirade of abuse aimed at individuals. Sevilla are unbeaten at home in a year, the ref was a tad dodgy, the players all got complacent and Klopp took too long to react and make changes.
It still leaves us in first place in the group and unbeaten. So is there really any need for the meltdown just because you're hurting? The players will be too.
In hindsight, Klopp should've subbed Moreno for Milner at left back, subbed Henderson for Can as he looked shot (i did say before the game he wouldn't be fit enough) and Coutinho for Solanke so we had a target man to aim at to beat Sevilla's press. Klopp got it wrong, Moreno made a couple of mistakes, Hendo clearly wasn't fit to play twice straight after injury. No need to launch into them all though!
Take nothing away from Sevilla! They got it spot on and did a number on us. On the WHOLE team.
We know we struggle defensively away from home so this is nothing new. Anyway, back to Anfield on Saturday and we have more than enough to smash Chelsea. That's the Chelsea who lost 3-0 away to Roma last week! These things happen even to the best of us. Part of being in the Champions League is testing yourselves against the best. We just went up against one of the best teams in Spain and they are happy to be leaving their own stadium with a last minute draw. It's all about perspective.
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22 Nov 2017 08:44:34
It was highly dissapointing, and very worrying, that from the second the second half started Seville's tactical and personnel changes had a massive impact. But it was something like the 66th minute until Klopp reacted at all. What was he doing? And why does this keep happening? The players. they are what they are, can't change that now. But Klopp needs to react to the situation unfolding in front of him or what's the point of him even being there?
22 Nov 2017 08:49:31
No MK this happens far too often. We are spineless, no leadership, hendo once again panics under pressure. This has happened previously, Bournemouth, city and Spurs. Any team with a bit of guile and leadership would have seen out that game, slowed the game down, game management etc. Don't think I've ever seen such an awful captains performance before last night, hendo playing at the 6 is just a complete mess. No composure, no defensive awareness, he was tactically out played. Not once did he show a bit of leadership, he was swallowed in by the atmosphere. Jordan Henderson completed 55% of his passes against Sevilla.
Yes, a central midfielder completing just 55% of his passes. Thank god he will be replaced in the Summer.
22 Nov 2017 08:50:20
ye i agree with you MK. it is disappointing no doubt, but hojestly don't think it requires the amount of fallout that has followed.
22 Nov 2017 09:02:20
I think after the poor form we've regularly had this year, and last y ear, it probably is justified. Why progress from the group when we can only beat Maribor away in arguably the easiest group in the CL.
and yeh moreno made mistakes, but i think what's more worrying is the performance of the midfield in the second half, like they suddenly vanished!
If we play anywhere below our best then chelsea will destroy us!
22 Nov 2017 09:25:27
Spot on mk. Think the reactions are just frustrations at being a pool supporter at the moment. One moment we're in the depths of misery and the next we're throngs of ecstasy. Last night was our season in 90 mins and the problems have yet to be addressed. Disappointed with Moreno- the occasion obviously got to him. What really bothers me is the reemergence of vitriol as if supporters have been waiting in the wings for him to fail and now they've come out to feed. Emotionally the lad has been through a crazy week and it was just a step too far in his "redemption". Perhaps people should ask the question, would they prefer him to succeed, or be proven in their original condemnation of him? Personally I never liked him since he first signed but this season I've been completely converted to become a fan and I don't think I'm in the minority.
22 Nov 2017 09:26:41
Join the real world Mk we have a central midfield who can't keep the ball and a defence who can't defend. We will never win anything with this squad. There is no player with balls, no player with leadership, no player in the squad who is a good header of the ball. We have a timid squad with the heart of a peanut.
I want someone on the training ground this to dig players out. Let them have a go at each other. let's get it all out in the open. Let the manager go totally mad with them. All this nicey nicey approach is not working. It is time now to find out who is a man and is man enough and good enough to win things with Liverpool.
22 Nov 2017 09:30:16
I don't understand why we didn't shut up shop at 3-2. We were still going for a 4th goal. Pull the wingers back and stop the full backs getting isolated.
22 Nov 2017 09:46:02
I agree the result is ok MK but I was worried after Southampton that mistakes of the past were not being learned and Chelsea will beat us if we play anything like we did last night or even the way we played against Southampton. We won that game easy because Southampton were toothless and low in confidence.
4-3-3 with Coutinho as one of the 3 does not work. It's just way too open on his side. Its obvious Moreno was an absolute calamity last night. Chasing players into the centre of the pitch but I did wonder if Coutinho was supposed to slot into that side. I know Wijnaldum would do it on the other side. I don't think its lack of effort on Coutinho's side. Its just not his position.
I think there are just too many sacrifices to get Coutinho (as great as he is) into this side against the good teams. If we had a top class DM and would sit Wijnaldum with him then I think a 4-2-3-1 would work against top sides. but we don't, so I would revert to the 4-4-2 game against West Ham. That was my favourite game this year becuase we were the most balanced I've seen us play under Klopp. We still had attacking verve but we were solid defensive shape.
I'd play the same midfield. Drop Coutinho and bring in Chamberlain for RW. Wijnaldum and Can to sit in the centre. Mane LW has to sacrifice his game a little to play slightly more defensive (only slightly) but Salah gets freed to cause all sorts of damage.
This is the long term balanced solution.
I think the 4-3-3 might really take shape when Kieta replaces Coutinho but honestly, this formation is an absolute disaster with our current 11.
22 Nov 2017 09:54:31
I can;t agree that Seville "did a number on the whole team". Though Liverpool were under pressure Moreno single handedly turned the situation from one where Liver pool had a 3-0 lead to one where they were staring defeat in the face.
In a matter of minutes he gave away a pointless free kick on the edge of the box and the failed to mark his man, who scored at the subsequent cross. He then gave away a penalty which crowned one of the worst displays of catastrophic defending by one individual Liverpool player since the days of Djimi Traore.
22 Nov 2017 10:04:57
Not disappointed
Been there. Done it. Will be there again and will do it again.
Not the first time we let in 3 goals!
22 Nov 2017 10:21:34
We all know moreno will do it again just because he's had a few good games recently he is still a bomb waitin to go off.
22 Nov 2017 10:52:49
Just the frustrations of being a pool fan at the moment. That would suggest this is something new. We have been doing this for years now.
22 Nov 2017 10:59:33
This hasn't happened since 2014 (throwing away a 3-0 lead, i mean) .
The difference was we threw it away back then against Crystal Palace, barely in the top 16 teams in England. Last night we threw it away against Sevilla who are without a doubt in the top 16 teams in Europe.
This is not a regular occurrence at all.
22 Nov 2017 11:13:43
WheNYou look at other teams we would like to compare ourselves with (regardless of the reality or not) losing three nil leads happens to Liverpool more often than other sides we’ve been on the better side of these comebacks too though.
22 Nov 2017 11:15:19
Yes that is true MK. But its also very true that we don't win anything anymore. When did we last win something? It's a guarantee we won't win anything with this squad.
22 Nov 2017 11:29:49
MK - you're letting facts get in the way of opinions, a modern day crime if ever their was one!
22 Nov 2017 08:12:10
Regarding our set piece issues, now many goals do we concede to 6ft 2 plus players? Not that many, Ben Tedder yesterday got a run on his man and beat them, he's not huge. The last goal was a poor headed clearance from klavan, but still in a zonal system like we use, someone should be around that area where Pizarro scored from. It's all well and good saying we need a new back four, but the whole system needs work, and all players defending are responsible.
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22 Nov 2017 08:51:03
i don't know man. klavan got his head to the ball. is that the system or the man?
22 Nov 2017 09:27:54
Nobody in the whole squad likes to head a ball or is committed enough to win the ball when it comes in the box. We have a defence and midfilders of losers.
22 Nov 2017 09:37:06
This is literally ed001's point everyone is just doing what they are told instead of thinking for themselves. if just 1 person decided to take control of that situation it could have been prevented but they all looked at each other like "its not my job or area".
22 Nov 2017 08:09:29
Having calmed down and had a good sleep after the game I can make the following reflections:
1. No more papering over cracks, we need must reinforce our defence in January. A centre back is first. If Klopp doesn’t believe a Robertson is better than Moreno, we need a left back too.
2. Karius should play all games between now a the end of the season to stake his claim as long term1st choice. I don’t blame him for any of the goals.
3. We shouldn’t go overboard about this result, we’re top of the group, unbeaten and should qualify as winners. It’s been 9 years since we reached the knock outs of CL. This is a big step forward.
4.The Chelsea game on Saturday is massive. Lose and we fall further behind and momentum going into the busy period is needed.
5. People really should post comments on this site at half-time! Can we put a lock on during matches EDs? 😂.
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22 Nov 2017 11:15:06
I’ll have you know my half time posted was accurate! Not my fault Moreno missed the ball and got the man ;)
22 Nov 2017 07:34:20
I think the collapse was because of saving energy for the chelsea game, hope lessons learned. we're still first of our group, look like progress, couldn't say that for many years. move on to next game.
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22 Nov 2017 09:30:49
Well, that and completely buckling when they started to play football. Forgive the sarcasm, I think it was more we stopped playing cos we believed the game won and in fairness, 3 nil at half time. No one EVER comes back from that- but still, onwards to Chelsea like you say- hopefully a win sets us back on track.
22 Nov 2017 07:32:10
Let's be honest the last few results have just papered over the cracks of which have been there for years. This season we have yet to break into the top 4 when most fans were saying we would put in a title challenge, in the CL group stage we have 2 wins against Maribor out of 5 games. The only plus of that is we haven't lost. When we look at the top 6 contenders for me we are probably on a par with Arsenal as the 5th best tean and we all think they are a shambles yet throw the compliments at some of our players after a few decent games because they didn't make their usual mistakes which cost us a game. We have Chelsea on sat and that again could go both ways. If we win then fans will be jumping on the bandwagon and singing from the rooftops that we are still 5th or 4th. However we could just as likely get thumped. With any of Mig, Lovren, Klavan, Matip and Moreno in defence with our non creative midfield Im sure the Chelsea boys of hazard, Pedro, Willian, Fabregas, Kante and Morata will be licking their lips. Quite a few of our players have been getting praised of late for decent games but in the years they have been here they have probably had just as many poor games as they have had decent in their LFC careers. To challenge andecent performance should be the bare minimum expected. Defensively we have not improved in years and by the looks it will likely stay the same for the foreseeable future. In the 36 years of supporting LFC our expectations used to be so high but now it appears we are happy with challenging 4th place, showing up against the top 5 teams now and again and blowing certain teams away with goals every now and again.
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22 Nov 2017 08:15:51
Our record in the PL this season is great, only conceding 1 goal (i think) . Our issues are away from home. I expect us to beat Chelsea.
22 Nov 2017 08:20:11
I must be imagining that being 4th last season, higher up the table than usual this year and oh yeah actually being in the champions league isn't an improvement on years passed. today was disappointing, but I really think people are over-reacting on the bigger picture. it really comes down to perception and how you look at building hope, you said it yourself. we could win or lose this weekend, some players have played well and then they've played poorly. isn't that life? through the ups and downs we've steadily improved our position in the league year on year. just got to keep building what we have.
22 Nov 2017 08:25:24
well said jayden23.
22 Nov 2017 09:42:35
Faith I appreciate the reply but surely you have a little too much faith you say we are improving our league position every year which isn't true. Yes we improved last year to fourth but look back before that we have been up and down and haven't broken 5th this season. You could count the players who have played well consistently on 1 hand over the last few seasons. The majority have peaked at decent or are error stricken or clearly not good enough. Stats can be manipulated but the main stat that can't is a league table and trophy cabinet. We have not won a league in 27 years, but worse than that we have probably put a realistic title challenge in 3 times in that era. In the last 7 seasons we have 1 trophy with Utd on something like 17 yet we aren't slow off the mark to criticise them. Our weakness's now are still the same when Rodgers was in charge. Yes unde Klopp we are more entertaining some of the time but what trophy do we win for that.
22 Nov 2017 09:45:14
Irish if our record in the premier league this season is great then how do you asses Utd's, Chelsea, Spurs and city who are all above us. And If you meant our home record then surely that is papering over the cracks. For as long as I can remember you have as many home as away games.
22 Nov 2017 09:52:32
Jayden23 you are bang on far too many fans have just given up trying to actually win things. There are so many things wrong that I would need all day to write it down. Mentally weak, spineless is never a winning formular. Klopp he should take a lot of the blame. He can't close a game out with his tactics and the players are too stupid to think for themselves. Henderson is the worst LFC captain I can ever remember. We need some winners in the squad asap.
22 Nov 2017 11:17:53
I’m not a Henderson fan but there are different types of Captain and that lads attitude is 110% comited to the cause I don’t think it’s a new captain we need but someone who can arrange the back four, a terrier like carragher who drags people in line, who scales them when they mess up. The kinda fella who gives you a hard time but ou listen because he might eat you at half time. The issue is finding that someone, don’t seem to find t much anymore, no terry/ carragher s about.
22 Nov 2017 06:37:44
Without naming or bad mouthing any of the players, what went wrong in the 2nd half. Can we discuss the way we played in terms of strategy etc rather than individual mistakes.
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22 Nov 2017 06:56:45
They upped their game and ours collectively dropped. We couldn’t keep the ball because of their press and basically the entire team panicked. This IMO is down to a lack of experience, leadership, faith in the teams ability to defend effectively and most importantly a quality defender who Marshall’s the backline and gives us the defensive confidence we are clearly lacking. Stick any decent, lead by example defender in that team I. e Kompany, Alderweireld etc and we win. Just my opinion. I am so sick of watching us fall apart when put under pressure and until our back half is sorted we will win nothing. Even my UTD fan friends are feeling sorry for me supporting such a frustratingly inconsistent side when Everyman and his dog can see the defence is not and will not be good enough to challenge at the top as it is now and that damages the pride worse than anything. Love Klopp but you can’t polish a turd. No wonder Phil wants to leave because I love Liverpool and even I would be thinking playing up top for us “what’s the point in me working hard to attack and score when I know this shoddy lot behind me will jut concede? â€. Phew. Rant over. Needed that but seriously that defence and defensive side of the midfield is just shocking.
22 Nov 2017 07:07:38
they pressed us hassled us and really went for it. In simple terms we could cope with it for most part. but we couldn't hold on to the ball.
The major issue for me was the midfield wiji and hendo were off their game a bit (read tired) and they controlled possesion big time. and then we conceded early in the second half, by the time we bought on can and milner, we had already conceded a second goal.
we looked more solid with more people in the midfield but again we couldn't hold on to the ball since there were less options now outside our half.
what we missed in the second half from minute 60-90 was an out ball, we needed a striker like solanke up then for me to hold the ball and ping it to the runners.
Now we can't ignore the bunny here, all three goals were soft, by large individual mistakes esp the third one, when the defensive header didn't go anywhere.
90+ minutes corner against you, you clear the ball to oblivion, that is basic football know how. that is totally acceptable, he could have easily played the ball for another corner. that was the easiest thing to do there in that situation.
we all know what happened that header was school boy stuff. i can't hold the coach responsible for that. that was a bad bad piece of football there from one individual sorry.
22 Nov 2017 07:45:20
for me it just comes down to intangible. ok, I'm sure we can talk tactics all day. but we simply lack the kind of leaders in the team that can consistently rally the troops when the chips are down. many people have made the same comment, but you had that sense of inevitability after their early goal in the second half. do the players really need klopp to tell them to keep the ball and pass it around? was klopp even saying that? whatever, a couple leaders on the pitch to keep cool heads and navigate tough periods in the match.
22 Nov 2017 09:56:35
This is what is wrong Henderson and Wiji were not off their game a bit they were complete and utter garbage. They can't keep the ball, they can't spot danger, they can't think, they can't communicate, they are mentally weak and another 50 things.
I want to be much stronger but the posts never see the light.
22 Nov 2017 05:15:03
Well i'd be the first on here to say well played boys.
during the first half.
That Sevilla final in 2015 was the fall of moreno. Then this season he rose back and again sevilla came and ruined it.
Moral of the story- play robertson against sevilla.
i mean moreno played against soto just saturday. could have been given a bit of rest, same for hendo. , could he have made changes after their first goal bought on milner and can earlier to protect the lead and shore up. I mean moreno could have been sent off for giving the penalty. After half time leading three-nil, knowing sevilla will attack i would have made changes to get more organisation there.
anyways cannot argue the nature of goals conceded was school boyish and can't blame anyone but the players as a unit for that.
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Unbelievable4
22 Nov 2017 05:44:18
Moreno made mistakes but I think Sevilla deserves credit too. They dominated the second half and the determination to comeback was so high.
22 Nov 2017 06:08:46
All the more reason, that should have been expected and changes could have been made at half time.
22 Nov 2017 04:55:00
From curent set I will only keep TAA Gomez Matip and Robertson. get whatever we get for Clyne Lovren Klavan And Moreno Add 100m to this and buy 4 very good defenders.
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Unbelievable7
22 Nov 2017 05:40:34
the one defender we are looking to get costs 70+m, 100 million + money from your options will get us nothing in todays marker.
My solution promote youth it will surely reap benefits, it is the way to go. everything else probably will be just waste of money in my opinion.
i cannot see a 70 million defender fluffing his lines and giving penalties it will be absolute carnage on these pages. and defenders we are looking at are prone to brain fades.
22 Nov 2017 06:59:57
Everyone except Gomez, TAA and Robertson. Starting to question Hendo’s quality in his current position as well. He is better than Wiji in the more attacking/ b2b role so a DM should be brought in as well. Defensive spending has to be the priority.
22 Nov 2017 07:33:00
If Benson is not holding to captain armband, I think he will not be anywhere near 1st team. He will be ordinary player like Joe allen.
22 Nov 2017 08:22:13
The three midfield players are not good enough and cause the pressure to mount on a poor defence, we are only good when in the other teams half of the pitch.
Red Tag.
22 Nov 2017 09:38:08
They were good enough in the first half. The team as a whole stopped playing. I think a def midfielder to cover the back line is essential. Could be wrong but what about taa? His distribution is immense from deep and he might learn the game without the pressure of right back in that backline.
