Liverpool Banter Archive November 22 2014
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22 Nov 2014 22:27:08
Question for ed01,
If you were John Henry and wanted to revamp your transfer committee who would you hire as director of football. Is there a person who is just a really consistent, good judge of talent?
Thanks.
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The problwm is that John Hwnry and Co have already hired a Dof before in Comolli and now set up this committee which so far have both been a shambles. They are to blame as much as anyone. Maybe hiring the right people might help.
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23 Nov 2014 02:53:41
Hello lee,
IF I were to be FSG, I would first think to get out from this mess ( debts )
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22 Nov 2014 22:21:57
No balotelli tomorrow, he is in the echo arena watching the bellew fight
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23 Nov 2014 11:18:26
You missed an important point there. They have league's third best keeper which is a great relief and confidence booster for any defense.
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22 Nov 2014 22:18:02
Mario not with the squad, he is at the Echo Arena watching the boxing
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22 Nov 2014 21:39:09
Something red, he might be best like that as you said. But when we have coutinho, lallana, markovic, gerrard that can play in the hole, sterling may be the best option up top. Personally I play lambert off him and get lallana into the team
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23 Nov 2014 02:54:55
On merit, Sterling won't start a match for us. One goal till now is a very poor stats.
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22 Nov 2014 20:55:32
I know I shouldn't do this, but what the hell. It feels awful to be dreaming of 4th place now and a good cup run after last season! If we win our next 8 games (I know, I know) we'll be ahead of United and Arsenal, into the semi's of a cup and into the last 16 of the Champions league and powering towards 4th all before Christmas. I can dream!
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Loving the positivity man!
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Here`s to hoping
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I think 6 wins will be enough for us to win the CL, 6 wins will also be enough for England to win the next Euros and the 6 right numbers will be enough for any of us to win the lottery. None of this will happened but if you have fantasies why stop in 8 games and why only top 4?
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23 Nov 2014 00:02:30
Sure didn't they win 11 in a row less than a year ago!!!
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22 Nov 2014 19:07:07
If we don't get 3 points tomorrow, our season is over .need a win for league and for confidence for midweek .biggest week in Br history my think .and sadly I feel he will fail us again
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22 Nov 2014 20:09:36
Win together lose together it's a team effort.At least the great away fans will be there to cheer the lads on.
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22 Nov 2014 20:34:04
I keep searching online and it says we have a lot more games after tomorrow. There is no condition mentioned that if we lose we have no more, but I could be wrong.
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Might as well pack it in n not show up for the other 40 plus games still remaining if we did lose tmrw
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22 Nov 2014 13:29:28
Ed001, you said the other day that De Boer works under DOF, Cruyff who sets out the tactics, style of play etc and that this might be a problem.
Do you not think that after (4 years is it?) of managing in this system he could use it elsewhere effectively without operating under Cruyff? Perhaps even adapt it a little like Barca did post Cruyff?
Saying that, I'm sure the owners will want a DOF after the mess we're in right now, so wmaybe they will keep it simple and use Cruyff.
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{Ed001's Note - the previous managers who tried to bring in their own style at Barca all ended up getting the sack when it failed, except for Pep, who left when it was starting to go pear shaped. The only way we will know is if he tries though.}
The owners will appoint a dof for sure because it`s what they`ve always wanted and allowed themselves to b swayed against it. i would personally like one provided he and the manager can work together.
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Redohio, could not agree more with u. A DOF needs to be appointed and he should get to choose the first team coach of his choice. The entire management team needs to be on the same page, something we did not have during the days of Rafa, KK and Commoli, and the clowns running the place right now.
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23 Nov 2014 07:44:46
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Don't jump with excitement over a DOF.
A DOF also come with quiet a lot of tussle. Spurs are the best example.
A top class manager wouldn't need any DOF.
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Which is why you get a DOF who picks the coach he feels he can work with and/or vice-versa. In American sports, that`s how it is done because that way, one can NEVER dissavow th other hence, they are both joined at the hip and one cannot get fired w/o the other. In other parts of Europe, this system works excellently PROVIDED both individuals are on the same page and there is a clear mission and purpose of what the club is trying to achieve. It`s worth a shot because things are a complete mess atm due to a manager who is inept in his mission and ideas and the lack of structure within LFC.
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22 Nov 2014 16:05:02
Eds fellow reds Jordan ibe has scored for Derby today .is he on loan or did we sell
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{Ed002's Note - Loan.}
22 Nov 2014 15:51:30
Eds fellow reds, just a quick question a lot of people slating mario so far this season, but quite on Lallana .Q .how do the fans think has been better value for money? I think mario
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{Ed002's Note - You are not considering likel for like. Lallana was injured and has not been given any real opportunity by Rodgers, but he will be a good long-term buy for Liverpool. Balotelli has not scored or contributed to the team performances, he has been reprimanded by the club on at least two occasions, the manager has aired the whole saga in public - making himself look like a complete idiot and further embarrassing the club - and Balotelli's representative has been offering the player around other clubs in England and Italy. Taking account of the cost, the ridiculous fees and the wages, Balotelli has proven to be a disaster for the club.}
Balotelli has taken 40 shots, scored 0. He also offers absolutely nothing else to the team. He's been awful and was not good at Milan either, so not like it's a recent thing only.
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Lallana has looked bright and played well when selected, same can't be said of Mario.
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22 Nov 2014 17:53:54
Always hoped mario would turn good, tbh liked him at city but doesn't look like any manager can sort him out (mourinho couldn't) which is a shame because he has the athleticism and talent.
Lallana although I'm not sure was needed I'm happy signed as think he is quality and his control is tight spaces is something few English players have. When fit and running will show his quality (youtube his first goal for us and shows exactly why I like him).
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Lallana is a quality player, and I really don't understand why he isn't first choice. Balotelli is awful.
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Lallana is one of the very few players on the planet if any, to be totally two-footed just like Maldini was hence, could play anywhere in defence and not miss a beat. In my experience, any two-footed player is a danger and for the life of me, cannot see why he isn`t playing regularly.
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Good shout that Ed.
Mis-management at it's best.
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22 Nov 2014 13:25:56
Anyone think best bet now is Sterling up top ? Can't see anyone else running in behind defenders. It's not perfect but I think he's our best bet at the moment with Coutinho Lallana Gerrard putting him through.
Such a stupid predicament we've put ourselves in selling Suarez knowing Studge is made of tracing paper
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I think Lambert and Sterling up top with Coutinho/Lallana at the tip of the diamond would be a good shout and would bring goals. It offers a good mixture of pace and hold up play. But i doubt Brendan will try anything of the sort.
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I'd go Lallana-Lambert-Sterling personally. Lambert isn't the quickest, but has good vision and is a good passer, he simply needs game time which he isn't getting.
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22 Nov 2014 17:33:41
Sterling up top would be a good way to ensure we get nothing out of him.
He's at his best when he get the ball facing an opponent, take him on and beat him. It'd be a waste to have him expend is energies holding up the ball and trying run in behind for through balls which probably won't arrive with the way we're playing of late.
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22 Nov 2014 10:42:00
People (including myself) are starting do doubt whether Brendan is the right man or not. Brendan has his flaws, no doubt about it, but he is still young and can still learn, and despite of these flaws he led us to CL football, and almost won the league. How about Rafa? why is he the flavour of the month? Because we are enduring a setback, and it hurts to see us being so poor, which leads us to forget why Rafa was sacked.
I know football is about winning, and both Rafa and Rodgers have shown that they´re capable of this, but the way we played last season, was just unbelievable and it made football even more fun to watch - It has been the most exciting footy I´ve watched for a long time.
I just don´t buy that a new manager is the way forward. A new transition period, and who knows how long it will be? Look at Tottenham, they have been strugling ever since the sale of Bale. But is this all because of losing bale or is this because of changing managers constantly?
The reason for bringing this up, is because I want to highlight how fickleminded fans are now a days; We want results and we want them now! Despite Brendan gave us some of the most entertaining football in a long time, CL football, 2nd place in the EPL, we want him replaced. But people seems to forget that good things takes time (Rome wasn´t built in one day). Even Sir Rednose endured a scrappy period at ManU (was almost sacked), and I think that´s what Brendan is experiencing at the moment.
I would like to see Brendan at LFC for a long time, if he is able to adapt and start learning from his mistakes - and hopefully bring back the kind of football we saw last season.
So have patience and give the man a chance, maybe he will turn things around.
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22 Nov 2014 12:00:38
Was the reason we done so well, REALLY down to Brendan. I'm starting to have my doubts. And for the life of me i cannot see where this great tactician has gone. Some seriously simple things are crying out to be changed yet he cannot see it. Either that or the preconceived opinions of his stubbornness must be true.
I'm not saying the answer is a manager change, but something has to change and fast.
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I completely agree with you, he is having a crisis. He is a young manager who have been kicked out of his comfort zone - Losing his best players (sturridge and suarez), trying to cope with the increased games etc.
It seems that this has startled him, but that would be a normal reaction to new (enormous) changes. He just needs to find his feet again.
When we played Real madrid at their turf, we hailed Toure for his display, and we thought he deserved to be in the next match. The same counts for Rodgers, he proved last season that he deserved another season.
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22 Nov 2014 14:13:57
I agree he deserves more time but it's more of a question about how much time. If he decides to carry on playing the boring pass it sideways and play one up front tactic his time is up.
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But Toure did not play in the next game, that tells you a lot .
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REDFUZZ, are you for real, he just needs to find his feet again, the man has been making the same mistakes since he came, he should get the bullet for the defence alone, . . .throw in his signings and his shocking PR, take your pick anyone should get him a meeting with JWH. . and his P45.
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22 Nov 2014 15:01:04
Although you make a good point about our style being really fun to watch last year, all the football we have played this season, the start of last and the season before, was and is utterly boring to watch.
Can anybody tell me (spurs game aside) that they have actually enjoyed watching us this season? Even the games we've won we've been poor.
For me, BR doesn't get a pass this season based on last seasons style when he's ripped that style apart and replaced it with a boring, slow style that simply doesn't work.
At least with Rafa, we were boring and winning for the most part.
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Wembley, you hit the nail on the head, BR should be sacked first and foremost for never improving our terrible defence in the three years he has been here even though he has spent so 10's of millions on players.
Enough of this rubbish about how well he did last season, had he fixed the defense last season we would have won the league at a canter with the form Suarez and Sturridge were in.
How can he be considered a fantastic coach if we leak so so many goals every season?
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WELSHBOYDAVE, just to keep you up to date the reason for last season's swashbuckling football was due to a coaching seminar he went to around December, and the man fronting that seminar was BIELSA, RODGER'S picked his brains. . . but as usual RODGERS has gone back to type because he knows best. .
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My main concern is that BR made mistakes last year but appeared to learn by them; the complete opposite is true this season.
I think some of the signings will come good and it is too early to judge them; having said that to say we have bought or bought and mis managed players is an understatement.
we have played 16 games and lost 8; he is making the same mistakes and not learning by them and by the sound of it a lot of players don't know where they stand (or they do and think it's not at Liverpool).
I didn't expect us to win the league this year but it is important that we get in the top 4; that is still achievable but how many mistakes do you let someone make before saying enough is enough!
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'Young manager', 'has to find his feet', 'give him time', 'he will learn' - what is he - a 14 years old in our football academy? the man is managing one of the top clubs in the worlds. He is paid £6M a year. He is managing some of the top footballers in this country, this is not some young managers practice - this is the top of top of the professional game. The guy doesn't have a clue. He needs to find his feet? very well, go look for them elsewhere, we have a football club to manage and this club is currently 11th in the league and going downhill.
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BR has had almost 3 yrs and IMO, had found his feet last season when we almost won the PL. Now, he has lost them again by going back to a failed system which is making our very good players look a lot worse. He lost his feet and the plot completely on his own. He`s no mug and youth is no longer an excuse for him and will not be for the next manager if there is one. This is the big leagues, bro and either you perform or you get the sack.
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He's a good manager. He's AWFUL in transfer windows.
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McGoveb, I've said it before in my posts and I'll say it again the great managers know how to marry attack and defence, but if you keep making the same mistakes you will get found out and that is what's happening now.
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23 Nov 2014 00:40:57
Wembley, I am fully aware of this, however it doesn't change my opinion even slightly.
He ripped apart a style of play that was excellent and replaced it with one that doesn't work,
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Hopefully his statement about not being "dogmatic" is true.
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22 Nov 2014 09:51:05
Interesting read this,
Reading's chairman stated after he sacked Rodgers 5 years ago:
"I understand he didn't have much time but we got on a slippery slope and it just got worse. Signings didn't settle, Brendan was adamant his style of play would eventually work. Results kept getting worse, performances too. Results & performances did not match what the manager was consistently telling me. The fans started to tell me a different story. Brendan refused to comprehend the notion of changing his ways so adamant was he that he would be successful. The only thing that was changing rapidly was our league position. Was it hasty sacking him? (No) Did we avoid relegation with McDermott? (Yes)"
Like i said interesting comments
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VEr intersting indeed. I hate t say it BUT I see a paralell with what he is doing at LFC.
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Lets hope that if a decision is made McDermott isn't chosen as the manager!
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With you there, hoola
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When I became a trainee bricklayer I was not very good at it.
In fact I was awful.
I am now a surveyor.
But I needed experience and I needed help from those with more experience than me.
Life is about experience.
People can't seem to work out that Rodgers is not a manager with 40 yrs experience but actually a novice learning his trade. (Been a manager less than 10 years)
Mistakes will be made.
The deciding factor for me is whether or not he will listen to those at the club who can offer impartial advice.
If he is too stubborn then he will be sacked.
If he listens and adapts then he could be here for a while longer yet.
The ability of a manager to adapt is so vital and its on this aspect of management that for me Rodger's has been poor this season.
His lack of rotation amongst players has affected morale in the dressing room.
He seems to be picking players for reasons other than form whereas last year if you played well you kept the shirt.
I would relate the start of this season for Liverpool with a wall I built in Bristol when I was just learning my trade.
My boss took a picture of it because they could not work out how I had done it!
The wall defied the laws of physics!
So we ripped it down and started again and I learnt that I needed glasses and a plumb line.
Rodgers needs to rip it up and start again and start accepting advice from outside influences.
Otherwise he'll be gone.
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22 Nov 2014 07:45:59
i donot think we have the right mix of players. and i don't think any manager can do anything with the team we have . without sturridge we are a bottom half team, with him we might just creep in europa spots. i think other teams in epl are much balanced, for eg we don't hv a proper RM or a LM or a DM in the first team . i am not sure how to win matches without RM LM and DM. last year we had suarez and he made us competitive, you could say the team followed him so it worked more becoz of brilliance of the player rather than tactics.
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22 Nov 2014 10:26:21
Agree somewhat, except we have 2 DMs (can/lucas) it is just that they don't play. LM wasn't bought and without sturridge out of sorts up front
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The players we have, even without Sturridge are more than capable of getting top 4.
We are a little short on strikers but those defenders should be getting clean sheets more often than not and our midfielders are some of the best around.
The team is being mismanaged and confidence is shockingly low.
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22 Nov 2014 07:16:17
So EPL football back again!
I am not feeling confident about the match tomorrow but Palace are very bad this season, one place above the relegation zone so surely we should be beating them? We are only 4 points from relegation too. If we lose tomorrow then the situation for Rodgers is only going to get worse.
Balotelli most probably will not be fit for the match so it will most likely be Lambert up front on his own with Sterling and Lallana on either wing and Coutinho at no 10. Gerrard and Henderson as the holding mids and then Johnson, Skrtel, Lovren and Moreno making up the back four.
What I would like to see is Johnson, Skrtel and Lovren being dropped and Manquillo, Toure and Sakho taking their places. Also would like to see Can in for Gerrard as the single pivot, Henderson and Coutinho just ahead of him and Sterling at no 10 with Borini and Lambert up top. so 4-3-1-2/4-1-2-1-2.
Rodgers will stick with Johnson, Skrtel, Lovren and Gerrard though. We will be far better off with these four players on the bench. Three points or nothing.
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Good call Max, think he will pick them four, as usual, and I also think that we have the perfrct replacement for Stevie G, in Emre Can, I think he will become the real deal, as long as we play him, he was are best player against Chelsea, the only one who stood out really, there have been some games this season were we have not had a best player, they have all been below par, and that's the truth .
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As great as that sounds, BR ain`t going to do it because he has no idea how to get the best out of the players we have now. One would think he just got here YET he`s been here for 2 and a half years w/ the same core of players that won many freinds and almost won the PL. He`s eve worse than a newly-hired manager because at least, a new manager needs time to find his team.
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21 Nov 2014 20:54:49
Ed01, you recently said something about ex pros ( I think Sammy Lee was mentioned) gaining good grades in their coaching badges even if they were crap, I always thought the FA badges were either pass or fail, not graded? Are they now graded?
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{Ed001's Note - they used to get marked all the way through, and then the final was given a grading. Maybe they changed it after all the complaints they received, so that Sammy Lee would have just passed.}