Liverpool Banter Archive May 22 2012
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22 May 2012 22:26:30
Hey macca,
Firstly thanks for the info you provide,
Would like to hear your opinion on the open letter SoS posted for FSG ?
Personally I think it was out of order
Finally we have owners using a thorough process for decision making and these muppets make us all look bad
Secondly do your sources know u post here are they not reluctant to pass on info ?
thanks
Wills - eds pls post as I m getting disheartened at my success rate , and I don't ask questions like is cavani coming to Liverpool
I agree, SOS out of order! Kinda looks like they speak for everyone and let's be honest, it's our club but their business
Whoever disagreed with you about SOS being muppets for what they did are clowns!
StrabaneRed
Me thinks someone needs a hug :-0
Agree with StrabaneRed! Anyone who wants to know how SOS helped to safe our club from Tom and Jerry, please read An Epic Swindle (Brian Reade)!
Carryduff Red (ex Strabane Red)
22 May 2012 22:18:02
All i no and want is that Liverpool become a force again and if tht means the manager not bein everyone choice then so b it!....but at least give him the chance ywna
Year like they gave kenny me think not
22 May 2012 22:16:19
Hi ed(s) just like to ask what people got against AVB. B4 he went to chelsea everybody said he was the new Mourinho (he did live up to that name at Porto) and best young coach in Europe. When at Chelsea had a bad couple of months (happens to all coaches) but then was sacked and never got to express himself and his football.
He is my choice as our next manager.
Manager- AVB
Assistant man-Borrel
DOF- Txixi (spell)
MD- Dein
Just like to thank all the eds,posters & macca 4 their time
Umaga(SA)
He seems to fall out with everyone plus he tried to play high pressing bilboa barca style with a Chelsea team that didn't suit it
You pick the best style for a team not the best team for a style
But to be honest I think Liverpool would actually suit these style
22 May 2012 22:12:07
we best hurry up and sort a manger out befor the new kit comes out and mugs like me get me kids the new kit with playes names on it then they get sold or leave lets face it were a laughn stock now all thanks to the pair ov dogs who sold use to make more monet iE moores and parry the rats YNWA 96
Best wait till September to get those kits then!
Jeesh. No matter who is/was in charge that is always a possibility anyway, even if Kenny was still gere!
StrabaneRed
22 May 2012 21:59:07
Harry Redknapp has pulled out of tomorrows pro am golf tournament at wentworth. Kenny is playing tho. Wonder where Harrys going??
Havent you heard hes gonner turn the job down to
Court, most probably.
Court, ha. ''Absolutely fantastic'' comment, as the man himself would say :P
22 May 2012 21:58:44
Liverpool has chosen sports marketing executive Billy Hogan to become the 18-time English soccer champion's new commercial director, according to two executives connected with the team.
Hogan is managing director of Fenway Sports Management, the marketing arm of John Henry's Fenway Sports Group that owns Liverpool, the Boston Red Sox and Roush Fenway Racing. He will move to Liverpool from Boston, said the people, who were granted anonymity because they weren't authorized to speak publicly on the matter.
Liverpool representatives didn't respond to an e-mail seeking comment. Hogan didn't immediately reply to a voicemail.
The new hire continues a shake-up after the Reds finished eighth in England's Premier League, the worst finish for the club in 14 years. The club fired manager Kenny Dalglish after ending the season 37 points behind champion Manchester City.
Since Henry's investment group bought the club 18 months ago, Liverpool has also ousted Director of Football Damien Comolli, Chief Medical Officer Peter Bruckner, Communications Director Ian Cotton and Commercial Manager Graham Bartlett. Hogan will assume the role of Bartlett, a former Nike Inc. executive who lasted less than a year in his post.
Managing Director Ian Ayre will get greater responsibility over negotiating player trades and contracts, a role previously done by Comolli, one of the people said.
An official announcement confirming the arrival of Hogan will be made later this month, the people said.
Next Manager
Ayre is in charge of bringing a list of candidates for the vacant manager post to principal owner Henry and Chairman Tom Werner, added the person. The Boston-based duo has yet to start talks with any potential coach.
Former England coach Fabio Capello and Tottenham's Harry Redknapp do not fit the criteria for a coach Liverpool is looking for, two of the people said. U.K. media today linked the pair with the Reds.
Hogan has worked on Liverpool projects as well as FSG's other properties. He helped secure a record 25 million pounds per year agreement to have Boston-based New Balance Athletic Shoe Inc.'s Warrior Sports supply jerseys, replacing Adidas AG. He has also been part of a team putting together Liverpool's off-season tour in the U.S.
To contact the reporter on this story: Tariq Panja in Budapest via the London newsroom at 3677 or tpanja@bloomberg.net
To contact the editor responsible for this story: Christopher Elser at celser@bloomberg.net
New balance rock!
If this is true then I seriously doubt Ian Ayre's experience in dealing with players and thier contracts.
Ed's can you tell me if he has any experience in this department at all, and how long he has been apart of the Liverpool "Set-Up"?
I really do fear this shake up FSG are employing, it seems like they are just throwing any willy-nilly to positions that need filled instead of seking the right people for hese positions.
I hope they get it right!
StrabaneRed {Ed002's Note - I don't know the guy so cannot comment.}
22 May 2012 21:52:26
Dont expect a new manager and dof to be coming in soon, why would they pay there wages when we can wait a couple of months! Also hearing Icelands will be replacing Standard Charter as kit sponser and pound stretcher have all but bagged the new stadium naming rights! Here we go again.....
Red Grand
22 May 2012 21:51:10
few people say in media that we are mid table team. thats disrespect. we play for 3 trophy. win one no 2 for 2nd and yes EPL is no 8 and thats unaccepted but that not make us mid table team. are you guys on your mind ?
roman-red
When we are referred to as a 'mid table team' its in correspondence to where we finished in the leaugue, the cups are irrelevant, Birmingham won the cup last yr and were relegated. As sad as it is to say, we are currently a mid table team.
Carb
We finished 8th, is it only true if we finished 10th/11th?
I think you'll find 8th is quite close to mid table...
22 May 2012 21:41:35
what we need is a complete overhaul! We need players with the confidence and the winner mentality that Chelsea and Man U players have! players who hate to lose, who can't accept defeat! Who have the pride not to get beaten by lower teams. therefore a Capello or a Deschamps would be ideal. They are winners.
During those dreadful 90's we completely lost everything that Liverpool once stood for. We became a club able to produce occasionnally outstanding achievements but with no continuity at all and with more lows than highs and now we are average. We never had the funds to be a longterm competitor.
We need to remember the words of our greatest manager ever! if you are first, you are first. if you are second you're nothing.
I don't care who will be our next manager but it has to be a winner and a builder. FSG have to produce the funds for such a team, if they don't f*** o**!
rafa once was on the wright way to achieve it but with those two yankee clowns who were bankrupt we ran against the wall and lost the chance to become a force again.
Sorry for the rant but it's part of my active anger management.
Marc
Pride is not as big an issue as people think, and let's be honest, if pride was the biggest thing then Swansea and Wigan would've been fighting it out for the title.
22 May 2012 21:28:20
What on earth would make the Liverpool academy want him? What on earth could make dallas want him in their u-16s? How on earth can he be the leading goal scoring in the odp( a program designed to nourish the best talents in north America) see in him? If you have not seen him play, how can you conduct that I'm overhyping him? Please explain you logic.
AnfieldUSA
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once again im not saying he is a bad player..... infact he is probably great. but what im saying is untill he is unveiled on a larger stage and can conduct himself quite well on it. then i feel you are overhyping him. im from Canada. and i do know that when the US has a particular person that is good a something. they push development to no end. and infact the players that are good tend to do really good. but like i said he is under 16. you could be amazing then. then get lazy, hurt, attitude problems thinking your better then you are etc all come into play. you just need to see him on a bigger stage before you can say some of the things you said in the original post. im not disagreeing with you im just saying lets allow this to play out.....BostonRedBlox
22 May 2012 21:24:55
Louis van Gaal odds fallen from 40 - 1 to 3 - 1 in the space of 6 hours. Strong sources from inside the club saying he's the man. 3 - 1 is still good odds!
Mavrick
Back him to be DOF, not manager.
22 May 2012 21:22:57
Thank you for voting!
Andre Villas-Boas 24.23%
Harry Redknapp 6.74%
Roberto Martinez 8.96%
Michael Laudrup 2.99%
Jurgen Klinsmann 1.96%
Didier Deschamps 1.14%
Fabio Capello 11.08%
Rafa Benitez 38.89%
Other... 4.02%
Goes to show we want him bk
It also shows, the 1.96% that voted for Klinnsman. Havn't got a f*cking clue.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
No it actually shows that over 61% don't want him back, but can't agree on who the new man should be. Lies, damn lies and statistics eh !
How many from them 38.89% ran him out of the club
Ps
I voted for Klinsman.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
No it doesn't, it proves nothing. Most Liverpool fans that understand football would not want to go back to the boring football Benitez had us playing
Yip and on the flipside 61% voted 'not to have him at all'.
Rafa had his chance.
It also shows that not many people know about or rate Laudrup, even though other than Borrell he is the only candidate able to take us and create high tempo, attacking football.
KiwiRed
Excatly But not gonna happen the structure at the club means rafa wouldnt take the job if offered sad =( Hope the owners know what theyre doing and hire AVB rather than martinez
Oh, my monopoly money's on Raheem Sterling becoming player manager
Cuchulainn's Hounds
22 May 2012 21:22:43
I am a fan of Rafa Benitez and would love him to get the managers job, though the longer this goes on, the clearer it is to me that Rafa will definately not be our new manager...........so i am now convinced Roberto Martinez will be our new manager. He is a nice guy ( our kid played at Wigan with him when he arrived as one of the 3 amigo's Diaz and Seba were the other 2 !) and after reading the interview with Digger on the clubs website, I can see why he would be the perfect fit for us at this time. Sure, he will be cheap - even after compensating Wigan, he got Wigan playing some decent stuff ( forget where they were in the league) and basically could begin the blueprint for the type of player that will be the Liverpool way for the next 25 years and beyond. I guess what Digger says is what we all know, but the premiership era has got us forgetting the reality that always was and still should be Liverpool FC, buy good, decent players that fit into the philosophy of the way the team plays and not to buy the superstars on mega money that drains the clubs finances. He has already proved he can do this at Swansea too. He knows the Premier league and he certainly knows Liverpool and the city(our kid will vouch for that) I just hope that the playing staff embrace Martinez and his methods (if he is our next boss) and this player power that allegedly got Rafa sacked or Hodgason in/sacked is finally put to bed for the good of the club. FSG....well I think they will prove reasonable owners in the long run, but at the end of the day they are money people who just want a return on an investment, which is why they aren't in a hurry to appoint - they know it has to be right this time for the next 10 years.
So I'm off to invest £20 on Roberto being our new manager, lets get behind him and acknowledge that he will be the best for the club - I'll also wager on us finishing top 4 too....just got a feeling......!
.....And lets hope he's as good at winding up Bacon Face as Rafa always was!
22 May 2012 21:21:44
Is Louis Van Gaal in the frame for the managers job? His odds has dropped to 6/1 from 20/1 in the space of a few hours. Any chance of him? Thanks
Mark
22 May 2012 21:39:18
Why is Martinez a front runner for the managers job,yes he is young ok i can accept that and can motivate average players but hodgson could motivate average players and what a mess that turned out to be.
Also if skrtel wants out I say let him go yes great season this year but last 3 hes been a accident waiting to happen.
King Kenny has been let down as new players took too long to settle or could not adjust (Adam).
Control freak Rafa for me
Clee Dave
22 May 2012 21:37:15
All the intentional rumour-creating sucks almost as much as those who cannot put their own opinions aside and just hope for the best and get behind the owners, future manager and players.
Yes, you are anonymous online and most likely powerless and pathetic in real life but if your sense of personal power and worth comes from feeling like you influence others then shame on you. You forget that this site is so that us supporters can display our world-beater backing of the world's biggest club (AKA LFC).
YNWA
Logic
22 May 2012 21:35:27
What is the big conception of the club not having a big transfer budget?? Reply's would be helpful thanks.
Do you mean misconception?
22 May 2012 21:00:09
Suprised that there aren't more shouts for Louis Van Gaal.
He's available, one of the most experienced managers in Europe, has great connections, players all over Europe respect him, his teams usually play good football.
Tixi Bergistrian as D.o.F, Van Gaal as Manager, Jamie Carragher as a coach and doing his coaching badges.
Why not?
Makes sense to me.
Kev7
Van Gaal, Capello can bring more talented player then anyone eals
Only problem i see with having LVG with Txixi is that are Cruyff and LVG not like mortal ennemies? and is txixi not Cruyff's protege? i just dont think those two would gel well if we got LVG.... personal opinion atleast
From Louis's time at AZ
"starting with a 1“0 victory over defending league champions PSV, the team didn't lose in the next 28 matches, including a stretch of 11 matches in which the opposing teams did not score a single goal."
Went to Bayern, and although not really successful, they played some really amazing football, the reasons they struggled for results was down to factors outside his immediate control. Wonderfully gifted manager he is.
Avb had a run like that with Porto and continued untill man u beat chelsea I think
22 May 2012 20:59:35
Bloomberg Liverpool exclusive: Billy Hogan to be appointed new commercial director; Ian Ayre given great responsibility under new contract?
dmedly
"Managing Director Ian Ayre will get greater responsibility over negotiating player trades and contracts, a role previously done by Comolli, one of the people said."
Should that not be Hulk Hogan
And what ya gona do when the hulkster runs wild over you brother
22 May 2012 20:55:19
Why on earth is anyone posting about 'this player' 'that player'. From top to bottom, the CEO is rumoured to be replaced, no DOF (or whatever the new role will be) and no Head Coach. All of these player rumours are from the old regime. What makes you think they would be desirable now? To be honest, no one has a clue on any of the staff roles or players. There is nothing to substantiate it. Maybe everyone who trawls Twitter and dodgy fan sites should go and have a couple of weeks off and come back refreshed!
P.s, Bielsa for me, with an extensive crash course in english!
Pieboy1812
22 May 2012 20:55:06
Brazilian ace Leandro Damiao has hinted that it could be the right time for him to leave South America.
The international striker has been linked with a host of clubs across England, Italy and Spain.
any chance eds?
Y would he lower himself to your level ? Time for a reality check - you're not a big draw
Maybe in a couple of years
22 May 2012 20:55:51
hi eds and fns, for some reason I really like the sound of Capello, he is done very well at club level in all his previous clubs, and he has a winning mentality. I know ed002 said his age would be a hindrance but I see no problem in that. If he can take us forward and make us in the top four again, let's bring him in.
The only side of him that would worry me is his personality and man management Personality I mean he is stubborn. But I would go for him over any other candidate because of his vast experience.
hibsylfc {Ed002's Note - Actually I posed the question if it would be.}
Yes for capello and van gaal too.
Can't see Capello fitting into the system FSG are creating. Manager will be a cog in a bigger machine.
22 May 2012 20:55:38
The Spirit of Shankly people usually get things right. If they are alarmed about the situation.
So should we be.
No, these things take time
Over reacting we has fans are getting to sentimental to move on we need a manager and a new ground look forward not back.. it's tie to move on that means some tough moves...
22 May 2012 20:50:41
reina.
z'leta/kelly skrtle. agger. iz'ger/jose
lucas. alonso.
navas. ozil/gerrard. krasic.
saurez/de jong
subs... doni, shelvey,coates,carroll,hendo,
thoughts guys whie everyone is depressed about manager talk,yes i do know you cant sign players without a manager just like to know realistically with this team could we reach top 4 or even press for the title.
IBIMO
Yeah that team could do well and could probably go for the tiltle but in reality we have zero chance of signing zabelata, izzaguire, izl, krasic and de jong. we could probably get navas and suarez will probably be off to Juventus this summer
Navas has serious case of homesickness hence he will not move, shame really great player
It seems a good team
If he moves hear he will be ok.. This will be his home..
22 May 2012 20:47:45
I just think whoever is our manager its so important to get behind them and give them our full support whether its Martinez,AVB or who it may be.
I mean would of Paisley,Shankly Dalglish of been able to achieve of what they did without our support and the answer is no. I think we have a great future but some fans need to stop whinging.
Mighty reds
I agree. And they need to have a read of John Barnes's article on LFC.TV too.
KJS
22 May 2012 20:47:43
Sick of hearing this manager that manger is off to the states for a meeting. Look Fenway Liverpool are an english team based in england not based in boston get off your high horse and get over here and pick a manager. All this dilly dallying is making people think you don't know what your doing and most important delaying transfer negotiations with top players. By the time you pick one we may end up buying the left overs.
MrT
And stop all that Jibba Jabba while you're at it!! I never knew MrT was an LFC supporter.
Nick
I agree but sometimes the leftovers turn out to be good like LDV
Been a Liverpool supporter since 1968 how long you been nick? Mr T
22 May 2012 20:45:47
Evening!
I haven't posted for ages, but it's that time of the year again, so I thought that I'd throw some opinion about. Have a rant n that.
I was gutted when the King got his P45, but on the other hand, understand why he got the bullet. Our league form was shocking. At the start of the season when we were outplaying teams, but not getting the results. It must have got into our heads and in the end, we were just s**te to be honest.
Why did it not go as we hoped it would? Maybe it was Lucas getting injured that lost our stability in the midfeild? Maybe it was the Suarez sitch being dragged on and on and on and on? Stevie being missing for a large part of the season? Big Andy having the whole Rupert Murdoch empire and some more on top loving any opportunity to get into his head for costing 35 bitches as well as not getting a regular start from the king? Maybe it was a season to gel the players? Maybe the FA or UEFA or whoever should rule that the goal frames should be made 3 inches slimmer? maybe we aren't good enough? Who knows? All of the above along with Fine margins and bad luck.
The season's done, Kenny sacked, Fa cup final loss to Chelsea, 8th place finish beneath the blue noses and the prospect of Roberto Martinez as our next manager? BUT....
At the end of the storm is a gloden sky. I don't think that Martinez will become our new manager. Why would you sack a legend to replace him with a relegation dogfight specialist? I think we'll be pleasently supprised. The owners know their onions and will bring in a suitable replacement. I personally hope that Rafa comes back but I know that's a slim chance. Lucas will be fit and ready like a new signing. If big Andy C starts the season like he ended it, then builds on that, then we've got a handful for defences again. Suarez will get a rest so should be fresh and sharp. New manager means new signings, so hopefully new right winger, attacking central midfeild and maybe a striker. whatever they or he decides.
New season. New hope. fresh expectation. New manager. Bit of England with 4 maybe 5 of our lads in the squad to fill the gap in before the real passion begins again. Nice nice nice! Lets not get sour and negative about owners, players and managers.
No matter what, we're still Liverpool FC.
Come on the reds!
Scott 78
I stopped reading when you said to bring benitez back
I like how your spell checker changed 'million' to 'bitches'! Your PC must be pretty cool.
Nick.
I also stopped reading when i saw 'Benitez'
22 May 2012 20:41:26
suarez is not going to juventus.....end of
italian football has no money to buy players like suarez etc,,this is why thay keep loaning players,,,im not saying he wont go but it will take 30 mill plus to buy him...not the 20 juve r going to offer...
22 May 2012 20:19:16
just read an article on the anfield wrap web site about rafa by somebody by the surname of walsh its a must read .
sums up rafa to a t.
soul man
How can anybody disagree its a good article that states the truth it just amazes me behond believe
soul man
I had to go find the article and give it a read...it was a fantastic article and I agreed with everything in it.
I wrote a reply to you with the direct link for the article so people could read it but it never got through!
Anyway thx for making me aware of the article!
StrabaneRed
It's a superb article.
Ash
22 May 2012 20:18:08
This question is for the eds or macca or both.
Louis Van Gaal odds have been slashed by pretty much every betting site! Is there any news or reason for this?
Yes, the bookies want you to put your money on him knowing they will never have to pay out on it.
Betting works on a kind of percentage system of whatever gets alot of money will end up getting the odds cut for example 9/2 to 2/1 just as ones that dont have any money will go out in price example 2/1 to 3/1
Well, funny you should mention this . I think its down to people betting on him so the bookies reduced odds
so you dont win as much
When ribery was slashed to odds on to join liverpool, thousands of gullible idiots will have piled money on it to no avail
22 May 2012 20:17:12
Just a question I'm hoping someone can answer for me does anyone know who the knowledgeable football people are who are advising John Henry and Tom Werner at the moment who Ian Ayre spoke about last week.
Thanks
LMC
Probably Christian Gross and Terry O'Connor mate. With Derek Acorah advising them on 'communications'.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
Why would you disagree with this post when a question is being asked?
Terry O`Connor?
Didn't Henry say something somewhere about Dein and Barwick? I hope I am remembering correctly to answer your question mate.
LIVERPRES
22 May 2012 20:14:19
Sky sports reporting Martinez has yet to meet owners of Liverpool !
22 May 2012 20:12:57
Capello for DOF, helping a young manager adjust to life in a high pressure environment?
22 May 2012 20:09:20
Liverpool fans did not give Roy a chance with Kenny waiting in the wings.
Now Kenny has messed thing up and has rightfully been sacked you are looking for a manager again.
Lets hope you dont make the same mistake pining for Rafa and give your next manager a fair crack at the whip.
Roy never showed anything to give him a chance
Nothing to do with giving the next manager a chance, The owners have set their stall out quite clearly - not qualifying for Champions League football is not acceptable.
22 May 2012 20:00:41
hi eds,
been watching the Munchen/Netherlands friendly and was wondering - out of Kroos and Narsingh, rumours of which player being set to join LFC will be more annoying or repetitive? ha!
22 May 2012 19:56:52
Well done Martin Kelly, called up to England squad for friendly
22 May 2012 19:56:40
Did one of the eds say Frank de Boer rejected Barcelona as well as us? {Ed002's Note - He said he wants to stay where he is.}
He waqnt to sty with ajax so he not thinking others it's should not call reject.
22 May 2012 19:56:15
martin kelly called up for england squad well done son
g
22 May 2012 19:55:33
Hi ed's/macca
Do you know if Carra is in with a shout for some sort of coaching role or would that be down too the new manager and whether he wants to train him up.
Cheers
Greg.
22 may 2012 19:51:01
my dog is friends with stevie gs dog and he told me that mourinio will be our next manager.thats what you all sound like guys get a grip and be patient we will all know soon enough. marklfc4life
Don't listen to Stevie G's dog, he's a lying sod, always making things up, but Cara's dog tends to be in the know. would believe what he said...............God i'm so lonely....
Sooty
May be your dog say that u misstaken mou just sign with real until 2016.
22 May 2012 19:48:50
I want Rafa back.
Dont tell his wife.
And i want to be superman, but unfortunately it IS NOT going yo happen, so pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease get over it :@
clm96p
22 May 2012 19:48:12
There is all this talk of managers but I would like to say congrats to Martin Kelly for his call up to the England squad for the friendly against Norway.
Red Rat
Kelly is average...he always lets a winger cross the ball in.........
richards is miles miles and miles better than he is.....
Kelly is a natural CB, unnamed poster. So is Richards but I still can't understand why Richards isn't in the England squad?
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
Kelly is a natural CB you person BostonRedBlox
Kelly is a good defender, he is by no means average, and has come on quite a lot in an attacking capacity, some of his forward play has been great and he has a good cross on him
I've always found Kelly to be a very good crosser of the ball.
Sooty
Miles miles and miles, how childish are you lad
I rate both Richards and Kelly.
I think Walker is better as an attacking right back than both, but England looks in good stead for right backs for a fair few years to come.
Johnson, Kelly, Richards and Walker. Very good for the Country and i'm sure we'll see them all play their part in the years to come.
Roy Hodgson never got the chance to work with Carroll or Henderson, but has worked with Kelly and obviously rates him.
After all it's only a friendly.
Kelly lets the winger cross the ball? so what do you think johnson does at all?johnson is the liabilityin defence.
ACHILLES.
Because Richards is a defensive liability as he attacks but doesn't track back -McMenemy
22 May 2012 19:43:30
Does anyone else here think that all the speculation over the new manager is all a collusion between the press and the bookies to generate headlines during the closed season and money for the gambling industry ?
Harry Cat Wavertree
So you're saying Kenny wasn't actually sacked? and that the press fabricated the entire story to sell papers?
That could'nt be right - the press and bookmakers are a moral and honest bunch.
LIVERPRES
No they didn't get him sacked but they sure throw the boot in but they have a void to fill in the dull closed season. It's like the press have an advent calender of 'potential' managers and every morning they open a new window and people run out and throw a load of dosh on the ' fish of the day '... Van Gaal being todays choice cut.
H
22 May 2012 19:34:42
Really gonna miss the King's goal celebrations and beaming smile..............
Long live the King!
The Goatherder
JFT96
You know that
Good job he didn't do it too often
Cp
22 May 2012 19:33:19
Just wanted to pass something on that I heard. There is a pub in fazakerley that's owned by a good friend of carraghers, I just know his name is Mick. Speaking to him the other day and carra has told him that capello is definitely in the running and worth a sneaky bet. Jf92
What pub ?
Copplehouse mate. Jf92
22 May 2012 19:33:13
Just read that AVB and Martinez are heading to Boston. Don't know about any others though.
Red till dead :)
Adjacent seats in easyjet I heard. Getting them into the cost cutting idea early on.
ND
22 May 2012 19:29:28
Why do people keep saying martinez plays good football what is good football pass and loose. The players he has signed are average at best the team he has built at wigan is going to be fighting relegation every season. Look at paul lambert he has spent less money then martinez and he's team look better and got more points in their first season. AVB is way overrated he is a uptight git who will win nothing with he's dodgy tactics and rubbish man managment
22 May 2012 19:27:42
After feeding in today's media stories from UK & Europe the list is now:-
STILL POSSIBLE
Martinez, Villas-Boas, Capello, Laudrup, Bentez Ancellotti, Nicol, Bielsa, Klinsman, Pardew.
RULED OUT
Kean, Rodgers, Klopp, Guardiola, Mourinho, Lambert, Redknapp, O'Neill, de Boer, Deschamps, Rijkard, Allegri
The overwhelming number of reports indicate that it's one of the first five names that will be manager. RED LENIN
Who is bentez ancellotti?
Pardew? Are you kidding me?
It's not a case of 'kidding'. That is a condensed summary of the UK and Europe's media. Pardew is tipped by several. RED LENIN
22 May 2012 19:25:50
hi ed's/macca now that Mr henry and Mr werner have recieved a letter from the spirit of shankley group, do you think they will make a announcement on plans for the club. I personally dont think they will bow to public presure. I can understand people's frustrations as there is so man positions to fill, but this is nowhere near a hicks and gillett situation. your thoughts please ed's/macca many thanks and keep up all your good work. {Ed002's Note - How many announcements do owners make - Abramovich, Glazers? It has been a few days - freat way to piss of the owners.}
Great shout Ed, I think SOS group should wind their necks in & just keep their mouths shut, FSG will let us know when there is something to know........
UP THE REDS...........spud 68
I agree ed2. I thought the letter was a nonsense that demonstated the authors desperate, premature need for information. I hope these owners have thick skins because some fans seem hellbent on causing them grief. As written in previous posts you can't have it both ways. Either it's the 'Liverpool way', doing everything behind closed doors or the utter shambolic mess of having everything out in the open.
Gordy
I wonder,did the author of the Spirit of Shankly letter canvass the opinions of all 50000 members before the diatribe?
I think not!
Anyone can send letters,e mails,texts,twitters and facebook messages but essentially it is just their own opinion,in no way should these groups purport to represent the views of our supporters.I personally am very concerned as to whether FSG no what they are doing but have to concede their right to do what they feel is right having saved us from potential financial disaster.
Lets see what happens and pray they get it right.What we have to do going forward is to stick together and give our total support to whoever is appointed as new manager because if we dont give our backing we could end up right in the s**t with a club that just falls to pieces and there is not one of us who wants that to happen.It is tough at the moment but imagine how good it will feel if we all pull together and together with our new manager and the team we get back to where we know we belong.Success or failure I will always be there to back my team,just hope we all feel the same way.
Derek
I think it's a disgrace that they use the great man's name - he adored us as fans, but in no way would he have listened to what their preferences would be as to who he should buy or play.
Modern day football club owners will be the same, it's about their money and they will do what's right for them.
So SOS, wind your necks in and let them get on with it.
They do it in the name of "TRUE" supporters????
They are just trouble makers who question anyone who can't get to games who arent from Liverpool as armchair supporters.
We wouldn't need 60 thousand seats if they had own way
22 May 2012 19:25:27
my preferred choice would be to get txiki in as dof and promote borrell to manager or segura as dof and borrell as manager, these two have made a huge difference to the academy in which they play attacking and more technical style of football, cant do much worse in my opinion then whats available out there at the moment.
IBIBMO
Spot on. If not then rafa as manager.
kopfiend 1978 ynwa
22 May 2012 19:22:06
Macca, No disrespect to you at all, You say you have contacts like a former player a sky sports etc but theres no way anyone could no such things, FSG/Henry wont be going around spilling his guts out to just anybody about talks with managers and so on. Again, I mean no disrespect but you've gave 3 different stories on here in the space of a few days about managers coming in, All im saying maybe dont give out so much info because people will eventually just give you a hard time and not give you any credit anymore, Cheers, Paul
Actually, all macca has said is who the players like, who he likes, and who he misses. RED LENIN
Read his posts you t**t. Where are the different stories. All he done was give is own preferences.
kopfiend 1978 ynwa
Seems to me that you are perfectly at liberty to ignore macca's posts if you don't rate them. On the other hand, many of us actually like them and feel they are the real deal. Saying 'no disrespect' then cunningly trying to rubbish him fools no one.
ND
Get ur facts right Paul
22 May 2012 19:17:46
My nearest premier ground is Chelsea. I have got go know some of the people there. I have been told a number of times that Villas-Boas was a complete oik when he was there. A pain in the proverbial.
We don't want him or Martinez(nice bloke good manager for a small team).
Please not Villas-Boas.
Any one of the Capello/Benitez standard will do.
But they think for themselves. US management are wary of that.
22 May 2012 19:10:39
thats very intresting macca!
about jamie carragher,he knows just as much about football than martinez or avb,loves the club an takes no c*ap off anyone.i thought that was the only reason kenny would get another year to develop jamie into managment just as paisley brought kenny forward into managmentin 86.capelo is a winning club manager in two top leagues in europe.
deano mcc
22 May 2012 19:08:32
Paddy Power now have Martinez, 12/8, they are not normaly wrong, so we better get behind our new manager and give him our full support, you never no all top managers start at small clubs at some point, he could prove us all wrong and take us in the right direction. if he didnt get us to 4th next season will FSG sack him?? I think any manager would struggle to take straight back to 4th in there first season.
Ian Childwall
Good point Ian
Paddy Power have such low odds because loads of people have put money on him!
I would suggest the manager for money at the moment is Louis Van Gaal. Now only 3/1 at William Hill.
However, if you have a look on an odds comparison site it's clear that the bookies haven't got a clue.
Betting odds are largely fashioned by the amount of money that is staked on the relevant horse/team/candidate etc, not the quality or likelyhood. Whoever is favourite is favourite because tat's where the most bets and money have been placed. The odds are largely the bookies adjusting against the total pot for that event so that they are insured and so not likely to be out of pocket. RED LENIN
Van gaal DOF makes great sence, Martinezi now our new manager (coach) Steve clark along side, starts to make good football, i like the look of this. football is changing, look at city, Kid, Platt,
Ian childwall
22 May 2012 19:03:20
Liverpool ahould look at redknapp no new deal offered yet an proved he can turn teams around eds great work an u views would be great
22 May 2012 19:01:28
Which managers have the greatest win %, I know it's not the only stat but it is a key indicator.
What would be the ball park win ratio 60-65%for a top manager? with a loss ratio of just 10%
That's what it takes for (an eventual) title challenge
Even top 4 would require approximate a 50% win rate and only 10-15% loss ration
Surely this will be thought of? There is obviously the point that managers buck the trend ie - coming from a lower league etc but the best method to envisage future behavior/ success is to investigate past behavior/ success.
This is why the decision is such a big call, the owners are correct to take their time
Lee
22 May 2012 18:54:13
I recommend everyone has a read of John Barnes' interview on the Liverpool website... great view on Daglish, new manager, football philosophy, etc...
For whatever reason management hasn't worked out for Digger, but I always thought he'd be a great coach. However, after reading the interview it made me think that perhaps we have the perfect DOF in Pep Segura and head coach in Borrell... they truly reflect how future Liverpool teams will play.
Richards
With the exception of Rafa those 2 name's are a lot better than what's been banded about!
22 May 2012 18:37:55
Quick question for the eds pls ! When is the last court case with h.g ? I think it's may 25 ! Can u confirm pls !! Great site by the way !! {Ed002's Note - There should be no case that impacts the club. Ex Directors are still in the mix and, notable, RBS.}
22 May 2012 18:46:16
hi Macca,
I know you have given some great information in the past
i just feel that with the posts youv made about the manager you seem to change your thoughts and opinions almost daily
i have great respect for you for taking time out to share your information and you have been right so many times, but this time i doubt how much you really know about the new manager,its anyones guess really
Cheers
Wack_21
You've kinda contradicted yourself there mate, by saying about his thoughts and opinions, then onto doubting what he knows! Completely different, he hasn't said he knows facts, just passing on what he's heard....
You are right mate, there is no info to be had at the moment..
I am just giving my opinion on who i would have out of the people that seem to be available..
I would be over the moon with Capello and Carra.
This would then allow Carra to learn and maybe become manager in a couple of years..
Again these are my opinions and as soon as i find some more info i will post..
Do not rule out Rodgers yet though...
Cheers
Macca
Whats this about carra being manager. no, we'd play like we were stoke.
22 May 2012 18:44:24
Hi! Eds and fellow Reds. A bit of light hearted relief from all the Angst!!! Do you think it would be a good idea to have keypads at every seat in the ground.
So that when the Manager wants to sub a player.
The Audience/Crowd just like on Millionaire key in the player they would like to come off and key in the player they would like to come on. The Manager follows the stats and is now beyond reproach for substitutes at the least.
Could it be possible in the future with ever increasing American interest in the game? :):):)
Also what other uses could opinion keypads have in the seats? MOM? maybe or even pre match to select the team :)
kidmillions
What would be the point in having a Manager?
Mind you, at this rate, we won't have one!
22 May 2012 18:42:59
Hi Eds I know its hard to tell but in your opinion who is the favourite to become the new LFC manager?Thanks Eds EC 2020 {Ed002's Note - It is hard to tell.}
Do you know who the people who are going to be interviewed Ed?
Thanks
Burnsy {Ed002's Note - We know no more than has been said.}
I am more concerned about who will be interviewing them and what they know about football.
Derek
22 May 2012 18:39:35
Big announcement tomorrow.....very good source.....the new manager will be (insert name of random manager) and there will be (insert sum of money) to spend on players. Players out will be (insert massive list of players who we should be supporting) and players in will be (insert massive list of players that reads like Fifa Greatest 11). As I say I don't post on here often but defo solid info thought I'd share.
22 May 2012 18:37:59
Opinion polls across all major Liverpool FC fans websites have revealed that former manager Rafa Benitez is the clear fans' choice to fill the vacant hot seat at Anfield.
Results were recorded from This Is Anfield, Red and White Kop, LFC.tv, YNWA, Est1892, Scouse Not English, RAOTL and LFC Reds/Anfield Online, and found Benitez was the clear favourite on every single forum.
From a total of almost 4,000 votes across the websites, Benitez polled an average of 59% – a clear majority.
Ian Childwall
A) other fans mess with votes (every united & everton Ive spoke to wants us to get Rafa because they believe he started downward spiral
B) On these votes he tends to get around 30% looking at it another way, that 70% of fans that do NOT want him
Just an observation....
CHickey.
The FSG suits will not like Rafa.
He is his own man.
He should be Tutti Di tutti capi.
A Godfather that controls all.
Goodbye FSG. Nice to meet yer, not.
As I've posted before, what is this obsession with the past?! Rafa had his time, we were dreadful to watch towards the end of his reign, boring beyond belief..For God sake, let's look elsewhere, get behind the new manager and move on.. Rome 77
22 May 2012 18:36:51
one reason i love our club so much is because how much others hate it.
even when were in turmoil everyones talking about us including press other fans, makes you realize how big a club liverpool fc is.
IBIMO
p.s....its easier for a manager to come in and manage a takeover of a already successful team than to manage a team in a situation like ours thats why maybe few managers maybe rejecting us because they are doing well at their current club, for example if we finished runners up in the league last season you think de boer for example would say no to lfc i doubt it, so who ever does come in we should support if only the fact that they had the balls to put their reputation on the line and give it their best shot. Utd fans loving this i cant believe in our current position they still see us as a threat. roll on next season im sure fsg will do the right thing for lfc the fans had their chance and so did kenny whom we thank deeply for stabilizing our club but we have to move on, so whoever the managment team is next season lets us the fans really support our club win lose or draw lets have a song for every player dont remind them of their mistakes but cheer their good points instead.
The flip side to that is any young Manager coming in has nothing to lose and everything to gain ie hero status enhanced reputation if successful? If not still employable the same way that Hodgson was? is? As the media would blame the Club and cite Lfc as being a poison Chalice. So in conclusion it's a fabulous opportunity for any young ambitious Manager.
kidmillions
22 May 2012 18:19:35
Surprised Martin O'Neil hasn't been approached, IMO he's the ideal candidate
ReD-DaZ
I agree daz, o'neil has been succesful most clubs he has been with liecester, celtic , villa. has more experience than in epl than others linked done an amazing job at villa, think he would give us stability and send us in the right direction...redman matt
ps no AVB or benitez
According to google, which appears to be a source these days? lol
he`s manager of villa!
how surprised are ya now?!
dbadger..
He doesn't just manage Sunderland. Think you'll find he was a boyhood fan.
So he's at the right club for him.
Plus he's not really LFC material.
kidmillions
22 May 2012 18:00:28
The new manager will definitely be AVB or Martinez no other managers are interested in the job at this time.
Fabio Copello??
22 May 2012 17:57:26
If all these transfer rumours was true over the past few years, we would be best team in Europe.
Wishful thinking.
22 May 2012 17:54:56
Not a rumour but more a question:
' does anyone know who are the advisers of FSG? They, admittedly, don't know much about (our) football so who is guiding them through the interviews...and who will give the final OK?
tamores in London
May be brother of pep. who is Suarez agent.
22 May 2012 17:47:40
before anyone gets carried away about FSG and the sacking of managers or letting the club slide into ruin just remember the situation with Hicks and Gillet .FSG have sacked Kenny but at the end of the season we are in May there is plenty of time to get new manager and DOF (if required ) in place so please lets put a bit of faith in the owners and everybody at the club all these stupid posts and letters slagging off the owners and potential managers are just oxegen to fuel the flames for all the Liverpool haters out there lets show unity and support the club
22 May 2012 18:05:18
Macca don't expect you will post mate as this not a rumour just would like to know your opinion. Why do you think the LFC owners are using this method of inviting managers for a interview when they must understand totally that any manager would be crazy to show there own supporters this kind of disrespect by agreeing to interview. Should they not identify there man and go for him?. Maybe the guys that have rejected offers of interviews may have been top of FSG list and the opportunity has now gone to bring them because of this. Is this really a strategy or are FSG really this stupid?. Can't see JWH being this nieave...what do think?
Wabefirst
PS . Sorry about the grammar mate...not my strong point :o)
22 May 2012 17:52:18
Harry Redknapp will not be manager of liverpool fc.Can you back me up please ed?stu.
22 May 2012 17:50:08
Copello seems to flying up the betting odds.
maybe worth a punt.
That's what other people thought, hence the shortening of the odds.
22 May 2012 17:43:22
Rant
Sick to the back teeth of some of our supporters. If this SOS statement is correct then it's a discrace, and something I totally disagree with. All they are representing is a group of snide supporters that need to wind their neck in. Some of us have completely lost sight of the situation. The onwers have saved the club. Plain and simple. That must never be forgotten. A footballing decision has been made to let Kenny go (absolutely gutted about - but deep down know its the right decision btw) and they are going about the most important era in their time at the club. The only sh*te in the press is what has been leaked by Whelan and Swansea. Them two clubs have exposed their own inexperience by doing so. LFC have closed ranks. GOOD!!! I don't want to be reading about us every day. Over the last few years thats all we've had. Lets just get back to how it was and should be. We SUPPORT. Shankly's philosophy was all about unity, respect, honesty and support... and then football. I doubt he'd agree with SOS on this one. In fact, imo, he'd blow the whole argument apart with a 1 liner. Pitty we can't hear it.
Shmickles
Excellent post.
Sir eggbut nobacon
Take a bow Shmickles.
BJH YNWA
22 May 2012 17:36:41
Hi Edda and macca wot do u think of laudrup the guy was a genius on the pitch and if he could make us play some attacking free flowing football he would be my choice. If we are looking at inexperienced managers why not give him a go avb capello Martinez Benitez I think this guy could be better wot do u think?
22 May 2012 17:35:10
Things as they are , any chance that a manager -profile page could
be set up ?
Much obliged
JR {Ed002's Note - Sorry, we are not able to do that.}
22 May 2012 16:24:12
Hi Ed's, thank you for all the updates so far, huge fan of the site, u appreciate your in a position to eliminate who you think are not in the running but who would you say the candidates are currently?
Many thanks
22 May 2012 17:36:49
Macca - thanks for the latest post and your thoughts on Postman Pat. I have to say mate, how would appointing a 65 year old who barely speaks English be a statement by owners who talk about youth and long term ? You lost me mate. OK, a decent club manager but hell, he's hardly the future - is he?Confused.com or what.....
The Goatherder
JFT96
Statement of intent that they'll one day appoint Carra as manager but first he'll assist and get his badges. So really they will be appointing someone young.
Maybe the Anfield cat was a clue
Exactly, Capello would be a step in the wrong direction, But with all these managers refusing to even talk to us, all were gonna be left with it capello, martinez, rafa etc
The Goatherder
Who is worrying about the future? Top 4 next season is all that counts! Apparently!
The Irish Rover
22 May 2012 17:21:32
why oh why are people wanting AVB as manager. lots of stories coming from players in the press how bad it was under him, ring any bells (ROY HODGSON). please oh please AVB is not worthy to manage our great club. Guus hiddink is the ideal man for the job i honestly cant see 1 other manager to get us back into top 4 as quick as hiddink. he has been a success at every level of football. so please stop all this AVB for our manager.
Hiddink unfortuantly is also one of the highest paid managers in the world at the moment at Anzhi in Russia.
That man to get us back in the CL in a season is Rafael Benitez!
22 May 2012 16:45:51
Eds and Macca great site, you guys do a wonderful job in providing accurate no emotional based opinions. I just wish you guys would be more selective about the rumours you allow people to post with no valid sources.
More of an opinion than a rumour, everyone is concerned about who the next manager is going to be and are following all the tabloid/media rumours. I believe with LFC keeping all of their business behind close doors and confidential no one knows who the next manager or who is on the shortlist. The bigger issue my fellow Reds need to realize the position of Director of Football has been vacant for much longer than the Manager's position.
Wouldn't it make sense to hire the Director of Football first then a manager? Having a Director of Football in position and assist with the process pick a manager for longevity. Everyone is including names of managers, who are well into their 50-60's. Ian Ayre already said they are looking for managers to replicate Fergie and Wenger. Someone who will not be persuaded easily to go somewhere else or leave due to age.
With all that being said Eds or Macca, do you have any idea who is on the shortlist for DOF, if they have been approached or if anyone has interviewed for the position? Thanks again for all your guys' hard work. Cheers.
Harry the Red {Ed002's Note - I don't know who is the likely DoF.}
22 May 2012 10:32:32
Ed 002, don't bite my head off but when you said there was a tentative approach for De Boer, I guess thats the end of our interest in him after his quotes right? Not that i believe this but there seem to be suggestions that he is FSG's no1 choice and they haven't given up on him yet? He seems as loyal as they come to be honest but just interested on your thoughts on the matter?
Thanks
Amz {Ed002's Note - There was a tentative approach which is what led to his statement, what I don't know is if Liverpool are willing to push for him. Hard to see him changing his mind after rejecting Barcelona as well.}
22 May 2012 10:25:01
hey eds, this is mainly for the elusive hot/cold ed002 or Macca if he can shed any light on it...
Basically, its going back to AVB (he has been my number 1 choice, for the past 2 years)
Anyways, there are so many reports, saying he has been approached, last week, the weekend, yesterday, today and will be approached later this week
I just want to know, has he actually been approached, and if so, what is the general feeling coming from him and the owners
Cheers
Ray {Ed002's Note - All I can say is as of Friday morning he had not been approached but he was expecting to be.}
22 May 2012 17:23:44
Anyone read the john barnes interview on the liverpool fc website? was long, but he spoke well on a lot of matters, tactics, managers and the like. what i did notice, apart from mentioning messi and barcelona a lot, the only managers name to come up, a few times, defending him if you like was martinez'. wonder if he knows something?
DAR
He was just answering the questions an one of the questions asked about what a quality manager would have to be. If a lower team manager keeping a team up or a manager finishing 2nd what would you define as a better manager he just used matinez and wigan as an example.
I noticed the same thing and thought the exact same
22 May 2012 17:17:23
Hi eds when we get a new manager do you think they would maybe sign drogba as his contract is up next month? He's 34 but still brilliant.
Yeah cos we'll pay him the 250k a week he'll earn in china won't we
Chris in Tamworth
Drogba looks like a body popper.
22 May 2012 17:02:53
The impression I get is that the owners have undertaken a wholesale clearout to enable them to put a new structure in place which is more akin to the continental style of running a club. In other words they will appoint a manager who will not be responsible for recruiting players but instead will concentrate on getting the most out of the players placed at his disposal by others i.e. he will be a coach. In this regard Martinez fits the bill in that he is perceived as getting the most out of the players he manages at Wigan (and previously Swansea) whilst at the same time getting his teams playing attractive football. Under this system if the manager wants a left winger the request would be passed on to a technical committee who will identify a recruit to fill the requirement. It could be a new player or a youngster/reserve identified as ready to make the breakthrough. A young manager is much more likely to be open to this style of management whereas an established manager is likely to find this interference unacceptable. Someone like Rafa is unsuitable for such a set up. He fell out at Valencia due to interference and his vision requires total control. Capello would struggle with this formula too. As for AVB whilst he has already had the experience of having his chairman stick his oar in, if he wants the job badly enough he might be willing to put up with it. I am yet to be convinced that this approach works as managers are the ones who are ultimately left to carry the can and why would they wish to be reliant on the decisions of others making them a success or failure. The not so special one has faced this challenge at Real Madrid and was only able to exert his authority earlier this season once he won his battle against a cabal headed by Valdano and co. Reality Red
I think you hit the nail on the head. Ian Ayre, recent winner of Survivor Liverpool, said this about the manager in the new club structure: "I wouldn't go as far as to say it's only a training ground role, but the idea is to create a structure so that the manager doesn't need to focus on too much else." If you translate that into English, it means they want a "training ground manager." That probably explains why there are so many young whippersnappers on the short list.
JB
(Don't call us Yanks, we're Red Sox fans)
To All those fans having a go at FSG for not finding a manager right away i have a question for you? If you ran a business and you gave an employer over 100 million of your cash would you be happy?. Answer is no so FSG will take as long as they want to find the right man this time because they don`t want to see anymore of their money wasted and i can`t blame them for taking their time. So wait and see and stop having a go.. If FSG got a great manager in.All the doubters will have egg on their faces as well as the press and media who have got their under crackers in a twist now trying to guess who our owners are going to get in. I think it is funny. In the words of K keegan i would love it if our owners find a class manager. Can you imagine the media then?.
Andy kophead.
22 May 2012 17:01:45
hennesey free agent we need a goalkeeper
He is signed till 2015, where do you get your info
Prefer three barrels meself sniff.
22 May 2012 17:01:41
Are we looking for a manager or perhaps a head coach?
One of the few things we do know is that the club are looking for a manager who can delegate responsibility. We know this because they said so, but what did they mean?
Most American sports teams have a permanent coaching structure where individual coaches have defined areas of responsibility.
Changing the head coach doesn't mean sacking the rest and vice versa, providing better continuity.
Imagine the following setup as an example.
Goalkeeping coach Xavi Valero
Defence coach Steve Clarke
Technical Skills coach Rodolfo Borrell
Goalscoring coach Robbie Fowler
Attack coach Rodolfo Borrell
Fitness Coaches Darren Burgess et al.
Head Coach (team selection & tactics) XXX
Although this appears to need more coaches, it would make it possible for them to work with the reserves and academy players as well as the first team, providing continuity in player development.
This is all conjecture and fantasy but it would help explain why our manager recruitment process looks so odd. It would certainly change the criteria for who the best candidates are.
Is this part of FSG'S grand strategy or is it one of Baldrick's cunning plans?
Travellingmike
I agree with this setup football has moved on and we have to move with the times the more top coaches the players can turn to the better they should get yes the manager still gets blamed if things dont go well but he also has a say on players coming in its got to be better for the club if all coaching staff dont have to leave if the manager does.
rusedy
I can't say I like the idea of Fowler as goalscoring coach.
In Robbie's book, he described when in training how Steve Mc Manaman asked him how he hit the ball with so little backlift and so much power.
Robbie's advice was -
I dunno - I just hit it.
He seemed to pride himself on his lack of knowledge - he openly claimed (repeatedly, and with no shame) that he didn't really think much about what he was doing - he just played football - it all came naturally.
Nice for him. He was a truly gifted player.
Not much help to Big Andy and the lads though.
I think we could do with better coaching than that.
For me, Rushie always seemed far more insightful than Robbie when explaining the tactical side of centre-forward play.
Personally I'd get 2-3 coaches - so they could work on different aspects of centre forward play - Rushie would be great for lots of things - finishing, timing and angles of runs, positional play, defending from the front etc - but I'd like someone to offer guidance on heading (although I respect Rushie as the downward header master!), dribbling, control/first touch and the some of the more technical aspects of the game, such as spreading the play and dropping off to play a killer pass.
Getting someone in who understands the role of a central striker in the context of a more continental system, such as a 433 would be wise too.
All this is depending on the preferred tactics of the new coach - but 442 looks like it may be gone based on the frontrunners for the job.
It is not out of the question for Big Andy to play well in such a system - target men can thrive in a 433 (think Carew at Rafa's Valencia for example. Or Pazzini, Luca Toni, Gomez, Ibrahimovic, Vialli etc.)
As the different roles across the front in a 433 have different demands, we would need suitable coaching for all areas though.
Again, this would depend on the manager. (Inside forwards? Outside forwards? False 9's? Or 'old school' Serie A 'trident' attack? Who knows?)
A coaching dream team though - interesting subject.
I'd just take Ajax's coaching team!
They will rise again - European Champions within 5 years btw - remember I said so. True greatness never dies.
Which is why we will be back too.
BJH YNWA.
ps - Or i'd just get Cruyff to coach all the forwards. Problem sorted. lol.
Something tells me he'd just end up get pissed off with service that 'his' forwards would be getting and end up coaching the midfield too.... then the defence.... then he'd telling Pepe and the goalkeeping coaches that they've got it all wrong too....
and you know what - he'd probably be right too....
God I love Cruyff.
Can anyone Imagine how crap football would be without him?
22 May 2012 17:00:58
Daniel Pacheco just tweeted a picture of Norwich train station! Looks like he is off hopefully with a buy back clause. Have you heard anything of this eds? {Ed001's Note - he is playing in a friendly for them.}
22 May 2012 16:59:52
Hazard is just French Bale.
Jack D
Hazard is 100x better than Bale!
He plays for Belgium.
Daniel Rogers.
He's from Belgium....but if you mean over-hyped, quite possibly.
Richards
He's better than bale and he is belgian
Hes hazardous that boy
22 May 2012 16:59:16
Agree that Fabio Capello would be a very good option, regardless of what others think.
Here is a man that has win six Serie A titles with three different teams, two La Liga titles and is a Champions League winner.
For a start look at the players he had in weak leagues and second did you not see what he did with England? Jog on
This is true but unfortunately so is the fact that all talented people have their Golden Age/Era where their powers are at the strongest. We should have got Capello 15yrs ago? We should now be looking for the New Capello's. Which I think hopefully were trying to do.
kidmillions
Jog on - How are Spain and Italy weak leagues?
66% win rate with England, ranking improved from 12th to 5th. If he can move us up 7 places we win the league.
22 May 2012 16:56:55
Nobody really knows whats going on or who the manager is going to be so people need to relax with the silly rumours. nobody knows how much we have to spend or who wants to stay and who wants to go so people need to relax wit the silly rumours aswel. alls we can do is give our opinion on who we want as a manager and players to come in but we need to be realistic. whoever comes in I WILL SUPPORT coz i am a true fan if they give there best and fail then u cant blkame them at least they tried. if fsg are smart and appoint the right manager and be really smart in the transfer market liverpool can go places next season. we have to back the manager and whatever decisions he makes
YNWA
22 May 2012 16:54:24
All the talk about Rafa and going backwards etc.
I know some think it's a good thing. . some think it's a bad thing.
I personally am still not sure.
Let me play Devils Advocate..
IF he returned, for all the pro's and con's ( and lets not get into that too much )
AND we the finished 4th or won the league.
Lets be honest with ourselves . . .would we be happy ??
I know I would
Any Thoughts?
Mr Slonk The Red
YNWA
Yes, well that is the aim of our next few seasons so if any manager came in i would be pleases with that result even if it was steve bruce. If they achieve the aim of getting top four or even win the league no compliants from me
Yes 100%
Pointless post!
If Ken Dodd was the manager and we won the League I'd be happy!!
wastingtime
22 May 2012 16:50:05
As FSG have said the work will be spread among many;
Rafa is to be announced the new kit man, De Boer will be in charge of transport to away matches and Martinez groundsman.
Just bumped into Pep at the liverpool museum, he getting some background on the club as he is hoping for a part time job showing people around.
Laudrup is going to be in charge of catering.
The biggest shock is FSG are claiming that KK has not been sacked and it's just a dream, similar to Bobby form Dallas! So don't be surprised if you wake up tomorrow and Kk is in ye shower
22 May 2012 16:48:48
I don't support this hate campaign against the owners which seems to be brewing but I do think they Have not thought this though very good there is no denying that . They sacked dc then kk but have not put in place people instead they looks like drawing straws for the job turning it in to a joke yes it is bit ov a joke it's hard io admit it but hopefully they learn from this also when they bought the club that it needed money for squad as it was in bad shape and needed new stadium or add to anfield so they new a was a big job ££££ should put money aside yes spent a lot but got a lot back if they 1% ov them thought that they could have the £ muscle they should have let sum one else buy the club there was people who would have not as if we owe them are lives look all I am saying by the end ov this year we will be sure that they good or bad owners let's try and keep the faith. YNWA kk all lfc. Lfc linc
22 May 2012 16:47:00
when Lucas is back our defensive line and spine will be better, was player of season not this season season before and also adam good players we have done without all season when there back we will be fine and just need a goal scorer as we make enough chances.
22 May 2012 16:45:53
Not too keen on s.o.s publicly giving out about fsg.
I've no problem with them writing the letter, but why make it public? We shouldn't be washing our dirty linen in public - too much of that in recent years.
Kieran
22 May 2012 16:43:25
Think everyone on this website feels the same way as I do about Drogba but for a free I'd be tempted, any chance??
22 May 2012 16:41:55
Joe Cole will stay at Liverpool after a impressive season with Lille
I am afraid he will not
Armando
Joe Cole is only sounding out because other teams wont pay his wages.
He maybe a good second chance for him if the right man gets the managers job.
He is already demanding to be played in central midfield. Ahead of Lucas, Gerrard and Henderson? Not a hope.
22 May 2012 16:10:42
Hi Macca,
Have you heard what the story is yet with Steve Clarke, did he actually hand in his resignation or was that just rumours.Do you think he would be willing to work under a new manager.
Thanks for your thoughts...
Dore89
I believe Clarke is still at the club but doubt he would be willing to work with a new manager. He was brought by Kenny & will be loyal to him, If Kenny asks him to stay no doubt he will be willing to do it work under another manager...
Clarke is a top coach, i hope he stays..
Armando
Handed resignation in but got rejected still at the club for now
22 May 2012 16:22:29
What has happened to the mighty Liverpool? We are no more the club people would be queueing up to join. What has gone wrong - one answer - foreign owners with no interest.
Managers hate foreign owners at clubs like Man City, Man United, Chelsea.
If we had English owners like....Wigan, managers would be forming a line.
Do you hate all foreigners (players, managers, supporters, taxi drivers) or only owners?
22 May 2012 16:20:45
i have a feeling about capello there could be something in the connection. our owners love English players an what manger nose more about current english players then capello? but not only that macca said kenny will only be sacked if the mannager we want becomes available the only manager that has become available around the same time as the kenny sacking is capello, avb has been available for ages so kenny would have got the sack sooner?.... just a feeling anyway adamlfc
22 May 2012 16:20:11
Looks like its between AVB and Martinez. WOW!
Sorry, but that feels like lose lose to me.
ND
22 May 2012 16:14:34
Hi Macca, Thank you to you on behalf of me and my mates who all go the game and appreciate the info you provide on a regular basis. Do you think their is real interest in Capello? just seems odd with rumours FSG are looking to appoint a younger coach?
Many thanks for your time.
Phil.
22 May 2012 16:10:42
"When you walk through the storm...
Hold your head up high
And don't be afraid of the dark...
At the end of the storm, there's a golden sky..."
Lift up your heads, all Reds supporters, support the club, the people associated with LFC. Surely we will walk through this together, come rain or shine
Singred
We have been walking through so many storms! Enough is Enough! Praying for almighty God to change this...
Bosco
Bosco, I really feel R. Fowler is past his best and may not be the force he used to be, lets look elsewhere yeh?
This is a little silly maybe...
But why would anyone walk through a storm?
Surely running makes more sense - one would surely get to shelter sooner if they ran......
Or why not ring a taxi? Or get a bus?
You could catch your death staying out in weather like that....
BJH YNWA. (In fact, thats not silly at all - it makes perfect sense.)
22 May 2012 16:37:28
Any one else notice how Capello is (allegedly in preliminary talks and may go to Boston for 'further talks' yet Martinez and AVB have (allegedly) had their first interview and are going to Boston for the second? Hmm.
22 May 2012 16:35:39
I know al ot of you dont care, but AVB is a bit of a git.
So what is it that your saying exactly pal,cause ive heard your a plank. AVBs scouse cousin.
I can't say I've had the pleasure of ever meeting or talking to the guy.
Have you?
In fact - I've now had more dialogue with you than I have with AVB.
I have concluded that you likely reached this opinion due to reading some stories in the papers.
I gather he fell out with young Romelu (Staggering arrogance for someone who has barely featured this season) Lukaku, he of 'I am a European champion, my life has changed forever' fame -
and fell out with other delightful fellows such as John Terry and Ashley Cole.
If that's all it takes for you to call AVB a git. Perhaps you are a git?? Or a plank - as someone else here suggested.
BJH YNWA
ps - If I was paranoid, I may suggest that the media are painting AVB as a git - In (half) anticipation of his appointment at LFC.
Those crafty devils.
22 May 2012 16:32:16
hey ed's , do use think FSG's agenda is to destroy liverpool ? like seriously we have a choice of getting AVB , capello , van gaal , hiddink , benitez instead FSG are going for martinez :/ ye he's a good coach but we also said the same about roy hodgson? he's a good coach and look how far we've fallen with him at the helm in 2010/11 season , if we get martinez than axing the king was a bad mistake !!! {Ed001's Note - no, they do not want to destroy Liverpool.}
Cunning plan. Spend several hundred million getting ownership of a club, secretly use your position to destroy them, then.....
Sorry, haven't really thought the rest of the plan through.
"hey ed's, do use think FSG's agenda is to destroy liverpool?"
I got that far then burst out laughing.
I did read the rest. Classic.
BJH YNWA (are you sure ed001?? lol.)
22 May 2012 16:04:55
It would be brilliant in my opinion if we got Capello..
I would have him and Carra as assistant..
That would be a real statement by the owners..
Cheers
Macca
His record speaks for it's self, but he had the England job for years and couldn't be bothered to learn the language properly, just don't think he would be totally committed for us.
G BOX
Is he not to old. He could quit in a year or so and we would be back to square one.
kopfiend 1978 ynwa
Under Capello we'd be playing the same type of football as Bolton wanderers I want to be more like Barca or the Gunners
Do you know something then macca? Or it it fantasy talk with no real relevance? Let me think...........'wouldn't mourinho with xabi as assistant be great...
Neilp
Dont need opinions Macca we need ur facts.
Has Rafa been approached?
Have the owners wised up and dropped AVB and Martinez.
And will we spend this summer to close the gap?
Love ur posts Macca your the BEST
That would suck
An old man and a hoofer
It's just your opinion, I hope... Singred
Do you have any idea if he is under consideration or not?
DP
Read a club stat earlier about capello, he has lost 81 games out of the 575 he's managed.
serious stats, wouldn't complain either.
Someone mentioned this to me at work a few days ago. Makes sense to me and Jamie can be that man to lead us for a decade after a couple of seasons learning under Fabio !
More of a wishful thinking eh..
Macca mate....
Cheers
Armando
If he couldn't learn to speak English he's got no chance learning Scouse!
dmedly
No way macca he is a pig headed manager didnt like the way he plays players out of position at england
gee man
Cant say I agree with that macca mate. He would be short term cant speak english and if he did anything like he did for england I wouldnt want him anywhere our beloved club
He is the Mourinho of another era, typically your go to guy to win things.... I wouldn't be upset if he took over, a great manager tainted by England's SA World Cup. But, I'd question his enthusiasm for a challenge like ours... it's a huge job probably 10 years too late for him.
I can see Carra as a manager/assistant, but not quite yet...
Richards
Capello's teams play boring football. No thanks!
Hope not i despise his style of football when i have seen him play i would love to go for laudrup who could get us playing proper football again
Kanos
Jeez Macca -
You may have good sources, and I am very grateful for your input to the site - I'm always interested in what you have to say.
But with all respect -
Thank the lord you're not in charge of the football matters at the club!
BJH YNWA (Keep up the good work. Cheers.)
22 May 2012 16:03:47
Who have we released?
Daglish, why where have you been ?
G BOX
22 May 2012 16:00:40
Henry and Werner cant even be bothered to come to this England to sort the managerial situation out - this just about sums our club up at the present moment. What players will want to join this shambles? And to think we used to be a big club. Even Spurs and the Geordies are way ahead of us.
Would you grow up, they have other commitments, stop stiring
Too true
22 May 2012 16:00:14
Look guys!
IF we get someone like Martinez or another "no-name", the problem of attracting players does not exist because the owners want to implement a new strategy. So that the manager is no longer a manager but more of a coach.
He will MAINLY be responsible for coaching and get involved VERY LITTLE in the transfer dealings.
This transfer dealings will MAINLY be made by the DoF and maybe another person who assists the DoF.
So as it looks at the moment it is very likely that Txiki Bergiristain will be our new DoF.
And nobody can tell me that TXIKI BERGIRISTAIN couldn't attract "big players".
So don't be too worried guys and have faith in the owners they only want the best for our great club! #YNWA
Cheers
Phil
Basically like barcelona
22 May 2012 15:53:08
I have read the whole letter from SOS. It is neccessary (spelling?) to write this letter to the owners, because we want it all clear.
I personally know how the Liverpool image has been damaged the past few years here in Denmark. Liverpool FC is not a club who the opponent fans respect. No. It is a club the opponent fans laugh at. That has to change. Furthermore the Carling Cup trophy is something others just laugh at, because it is "mickey mouse cup". But when we win Europa League next year, hopefully, they shut up.
Our brand needs to get back to how it were before, it is important.
Regards DanielDenmark
You are what is wrong with football, we are not a brand, we are liverpool
We are Liverpool, but we are also a brand.
Sorry, but it's true. I swear.
BJH YNWA (It's not my fault. Don't shoot the messenger!)
22 May 2012 15:52:43
Spirit of Shankley
Embarassing letter and interviews, just feeding the oxygen starved media of a LFC story.
It's less than a week, do you hear chelski moaning, and believe me they have a lot more work to do with that squad than we do.
Enjoy the sunshine, chill and wait for the news and stop being so Embarassing you don't represent all the supporters.
PistolPete
Chelsea and there squad are well ahead of Liverpool and don't we all know it, we might not care to admit it but thats another story!
Are you for real PistolPete? How on earth have Chelsea got more to do to their squad than Liverpool have? Are you really suggesting that Liverpool are currently in a better state than Chelsea?
Chelsea have just beaten Barcelona & Bayern Munich on their way to winning the Champions Cup, they also have the F.A Cup in their trophy cabinet too. They will be playing in next seasons Champions Cup and will have the pick of the worlds best players to sign this summer.
Liverpool on the other hand, have just had their worst league run in half a century, we have no manager and are struggling to find one. If we aren't careful we stand a chance of losing our top players to cash-rich foreign clubs.
Be honest, you haven't got a clue have you P*ssedUpPete? {Ed002's Note - Chelsea's problem is the age of the squad.}
As upset as I was with the whole KD situation the best thing to do is to see what FSG have planned, only then can we criticize or praise their actions. As with Carroll, Lucas et al we need to be patient. At the moment we are the butt of a few jokes from other teams but I'd rather a slower, decisive decision than a rash choice... oh and it's barely been a week...
Richards
22 May 2012 15:48:17
When we get our new manager i hope he gets some talent from Germany some serious midfielders nd attackers in that league at the moment not to mention goalkeepers too ...
Lfc89
And whats wrong with german defenders,you got something against the defenders of our great country.
22 May 2012 15:44:03
just a harmless question why not look into brazil and argentina as well for next lfc manager surely these are two football fanatic nations and i am pretty sure they could find someone from there with exceptional talent.or language would be problem?
Different type of football, and clubs are run differently
22 May 2012 15:43:18
I can't understand why FSG haven't approached Roberto Di Matteo, he is young, energetic and plays attractive football, he will have gained a lot of confidence from the end to Chelsea's season and I think he would do well at our club.
I also don't understand all the fans who are complaining about the lack of information about what's going on at the club. One minute everyone wants to go back to "doing things behind closed doors" and the next FSG have a lack of direction because they aren't telling anyone their plans. I for one trust that they know what they are doing, John W Henry likes to win, and I believe he is doing what he thinks is best to make the club winners, he has had his time to bed in, and I belive he has a plan and direction he wants to go in.
(not really a rumour, but first time posting on here)
Maybe its cos he isnt that good
Plays attractive football? Where do you live man!
AG
Edds you have mixed 2 separate posts up... This is says di Matteo and attractive football, can't be right.
G BOX
Chelsea have been effective but far from attractive under RDM...
Richards
Attractive football? really?!?
Plays attractive football? Have you watched Chelsea since he took over with his 1-9-1 formations?
Attractive football? Really?
22 May 2012 15:42:02
The news is pretty clear on what is going on. Many managers are being put in the frame or approached and then turning LFC down. Capello, for the record, as it well know, has stated he would be interested via his agent, but FSG have not interviewd. Th eonly formal internal has thus far been with Martinez and he is going to Boston for second interview on Thursday. AVB wants to take his time, but FSG are interviewed. The odds on it being martinez are increasing all the time, for two reasons. First, we need to appoint someone; second, he is the only one clear to speak and wanting to be considered. He gets the job by dint of last man/ only man standing
22 May 2012 15:30:05
Why has Pep Guardiola not come out and distanced himself from the job like he did with Chelsea? Why does it 'appear' that FSG have not at least approached him? surely they would have at least asked, and there would have been a polite public decline? Is there another twist in the tale? And, more pressing a question, having left some cans of lager in the boot of my car all day, how long will they take to cool in the freezer when I get home?
BigBadBen
20 - 25 minutes mate is the optimum amount of time for cooling beer in a freezer.
kopfiend 1978 ynwa
Beer - 45 minutes mate
tx
Are you joking???
Pep is coming, 1 hour:) (for cold beers, that is)
I have a sinking feeling that Pep is on his way to Wigan to replace Martinez - who apparently has a new PL job...
Beer cooling seemed to be going ok until the missus hit the 'fast freeze' button.... Allegedly this was meant to help. The 45 minute advice resulted in several semi frozen cans, plus one detonation....
BigBadBen
22 May 2012 15:27:00
Ive looked at 6 or 7 separate polls now and Rafa is the man for most LFC fans by far.
Gazman
I don't want him
Try looking at same Ukrainians
Lol.
Every Utd fan (and anti-LFC fan) I know is voting for Rafa in those polls.
They think its hilarious.
BJH YNWA (didn't you think it was a little strange?)
22 May 2012 15:25:57
Redknapp will not manage Liverpool.
Redknapp would not relocate to the Midlands to take the England Job never mind relocating to the North West.
Mourinho has just signed a contract with Real Madrid till 2016 so you can strike him off your delusional wish list.
You may aswell face facts you are going to end up with Martinez, but look on the bright side, he has plenty of experience fighting relegation!
Blue Bones
Do you Muppet's not have your own site if not i'm sure if you & tranmere join forces
Ive heard the odd rumour that Jamie Rednapp has been interviewed.
cant see it but you never know.
22 May 2012 15:23:34
See Joe Cole thinks scousers are pretty much like Londoners....another good reason not to have him back. blindness.
Iggypop
I think he got his words mixed up,what he should of said is scousers dont like cockney gits much. onewayticketbacktolondonbutyerbirdsallright
22 May 2012 15:22:18
It has come to my attention that the owners are still trying to get Brendan Rodgers. They feel since he is British, he will stay for the long term [they see what Ferguson has done in the long term at United and they want that to happen at Liverpool]. They felt Dalglish doesn't have a decade in him so they got rid of him to go for the long term manager.
Tommo M
Why sack kenny is that was the case, kenny would of stayed for the long term. They only want brandon rodgers because he will cost less that £1 a year and will be on a short term contract. In the end he will get sacked.
Those owners are not pulling anything over my eyes. They better get mourinho in or else. Lets face it, anything else will be a trade down in managers.
It's come to my attention you are repeating what macca said a few days ago
G BOX
22 May 2012 15:17:59
why is everybody on here pissed off by the owners because they don't behave like mr abramovich? I know having just won the champions league he does something right, but would you like him as the owner? I don't. I read a lot how much better his decisions are, please remember, he paid 50million£ for torres, wanting him as a superstriker? Ahm? Would you like the owners to be THAT smart and responsible with money?
Leni
Unfortunately they are behaving like Abramovitch but not in terms of splashing th e cash but rather in terms of hiring and fiiring.
I think you need to look at the success at Chelsea since Roman took over & tell me hes bad for them. Ed002 says he cares for the club. I would rather have someone there for the love of the club and not for profit (fsg).
The Irish Rover
I would be very happy abramovich as our owner he is passionate,ambition and one of the most commited owner in the country he understands between club and company if we sign martinez rodgers will be saying another 20 years we haven't won the league Fsg are typical american owners who think our club is company or franchise every fan,eds,know we need 2/3 world class players to compete but what fsg do buy youngster
Are you at the wind up? Have you seen our trophy cabinet since Abramovich took over?
CT13
Yes your right but the owners new wot they bought they must have done home work liverpool has a massive brand world wide but it won't last we have every thing in place to be a super club top 5 we think we there but we not we are up there but with out the right support and leadship we can slide down the pecking order speaking for myself I don't want to win every thing every game that not real or in fact be boring I want us to compete be up there we should c how the owners handle this summer and see where it takes us end ov season then we ll see then they made a few mistakes this year so give them a chance to learn from them YNWA all lfc . Lfc linc
We nearly have owners like that, this will be the 3rd manager in 3 seasons. Sound like any other club?
Frog
I would not mind Roman
He's delivered Chelsea how many
EPL league titles,
FA cups
and now to top it all off the the champions league
And all this is 9 years
Yeah he is a shocking bad owner - RIGHT
22 May 2012 15:14:14
Fabio Capello won't be becoming Liverpool manager. He would demand an enormous salary & a similar level compensation package if sacked. And he is 65.
Though Raf Benitez is topping everyone's wishlist & polls but have to say for me its very clear he won't be the manager.
If I would make a guess its either AVB, Martinez or someone similar to them. [Young, upcoming, plays great attacking football, knows to get the best out of players/young players like wise]
FSG is undertaking a whole restructuring of the club, & it won't be an easy task, It will take considerable amount of time. Patience!
Don't think we can hear anything this week but like anyone I am restless to hear FSG's decision as soon as possible.
Cheers
Armando
22 May 2012 15:12:38
It seems the DOF position has been free for ages now, and hardly any rumours as to who might take it.
It makes sense (to me anyway) to bring in a DOF first, have him look at the team, decide the best style to play them, help pick a new manager that would suit this style of play, help identify players to fill in the gaps and bring them in.
I'm very confused as to why we still don't have a DOF in.
Makes me wonder if someone has agreed in principal to do it and they are already advising Henry and co in who to bring in, (they must be getting advice from someone right now) and the new manager and DOF will be unvieled together.
Maybe it's a bit cloak and dagger but who knows.
MIKEY
22 May 2012 15:02:16
Hi eds & lfc fans
Do any of you guys know if any of these players are still free agents?
Craig Gordon
Jussi Jaaskelainen
Miguel
Maxi Pereira
Mohamed Diame
Nicolas Lodeiro
Zakaria Labyad
Pablo Aimar
Sotiris Ninis
Cristian Rodriguez
Theba300
None of them are Liverpool quality
Loidero and Aimar are, but Aimar is a little old now.
We should have signed him a few seasons back when we had the chance.
Jonesred
So None of them are Liverpool quality really?
I'm sure Cristian Rodriguez & Ninis are better than Downing & Kuyt
Dave
22 May 2012 15:01:05
Hi Eds & Fellow Reds,
Perhaps Eds, Reds or Macca could shed some light on this for me, Ian Ayre said that FSG are been advised by knowledgbable football people, any idea who is consulting them.
In relation to Martinez, I think hi chairman could make him look very silly, basically saying he's got the job bar the interview, I dont know about the rest of ye, but i've never been assured of getting a job after only only been called for an interview.
In relation to Martinez I think it is too big a gamble. FSG remit is clear for next season, they want CL football.Winning cups is fine, but the league is our bread and butter.
As stated by another poster a couple days of ago, we are at very important juncture, not just in the clubs history, but more importantly the future. Been a true LFC fan, you support our team through thick and thin. Regardless of who is manager,I will support them.
I think its a fair assessment to say that club has struggled in the league since the Souness era, okay we finished 2nd under Rafa, but second is not good enough for us. The couple of years have been nothing short of a debacle, we ill afford to for repeat performances of last 2 seasons.
I for one have trust in FSG, their methods maybe different from what we are used to, but if they successfully implement a structure that allows for future success and growth of the club, i wont be complaining.
It is not quite the time to panic, the good times are ahead. Lets just be patient.
Rebel_Red
If Martinez gets the job, it will just as much about his initial budget as anything.
With a reasonable amount from the owners say £30 Mil and generate another £30 mil from sales ie Downing,Kuyt,Cole,Aquilani,Maxi to name a few.
Martinez spends wisely to enhance the already good nucleous of the squad.
History could be in the making with a brave New Liverpool Fc. Err I think this is the vision for the future? Well it's mine anyway and it's keeping me just about Sane!!
kidmillions
22 May 2012 14:53:14
Hello mate, Dortmund price tag for kagawa is 20 mil euros. 16.7 mil sterling. That is another steal lfc will probably miss out on ay.
Lenny
Looks like hes off to united
22 May 2012 14:52:35
i think after weve got a manger in place and dof etc they bwill need to bring in players to fill these positions...
cdm...possibly as we need back up for lucas
right wing....someone with PACE
possibly left as well... who can CROSS
a CAM...as we lack creativity in midfield
and a striker.... a real POACHER who can get 20+ a season
they dont have to be exspensive but young below 25 who wont cost a great deal, and with this we could possibly challenge for top four once more YNWA
22 May 2012 14:48:33
Why aren't the owners Henry & Werner in this country trying to appoint a new manager? Can't they be arsed to get on a plane and get this sorted out properly? We hear every day that new potential candidates for the job are flying over to Boston, only to come back and rule themselves out of the job. In the meantime, over in Liverpool we have Ian Ayre telling us to get behind FSG and give them our full support? WTF?
For christ sake, even Kenny got himself on a plane to Boston to see what the hell was going on and he came back with his P45!
I'm sorry, but this whole episode looks unprofessional and badly managed on FSG's behalf. This is not doing the clubs reputation any good whatsoever. After the bad handling of Luis Suarez affair, FSG should have become far more PR concious. However it seems we stumble from one PR disaster to another. In the long run these PR blunders could have a serious effect when trying to recruit top-name players to the club.
Either FSG are being badly advised or they haven't got a clue. I guarantee this would not be happening if the likes of Arsenal, Man Utd or Man City were in the market for a new gaffer.
If you went for a job interview would they come to you?
You go to them, that's how job interviews work
Well go support, arsenal, man utd or city then or get behind the owners and stop moaning.
Sir eggbut nobacon
Maybe we should trust our owners instead of believing whats written in the press.
rusedy
22 May 2012 14:42:13
Hi EDS/ macca/ and everyone else.
John Henry nor Tom Werner have confirmed any rumours from the gutter press, media or any rumours by anyone on this site. So WHY are so many people making comments about managerial nominees and the s**t way the club is being handled?
Come on guys it's just conjecture at the moment. The media and press are seething right now because nothing is coming out of Liverpool at the moment.
The only thing revealed for sure is the comments made by Dave Whelan, which we are all familiar with.
Some fans have turned on the Americans because they sacked a Legend like K.K. And they still can't believe a such great servant to our club and massive legend would ever been Sacked. But we must judge the K.K. situation without bias and prejudice and see it from their point of view and also very importantly: the Americans were just pleasing the majority of Liverpool fans.
It has been a disappointing season as far as the Premier league is concerned and very annoying about the FA Cup Final. If we had turned up in the first half
then we probably would have won. plus the disallowed goal.
We did win the Carling Cup though not the greatest prize, we won a trophy. First one for 6 years. First trip to the new Wembley and we did make two more subsequent trips. We beat Everton in the semis and lost to Chelsea in the Final. Unlucky to lose, but that's been problem with Liverpool this season blaming things on bad luck and particularly Kenny. Forever stating luck would favour us soon. We did have bad luck in a few games, we hit the wood work over thirty times during the cause of the season.
But it really wasn't bad luck alone that cost us to lose games or drop points. There were to many mistakes made all over the field especially in the last third. There were to many individuals who were inept,lazy and individuals playing out of position.
we could not win games at Anfield. OK I'm wrong we won five premier league games at home. We struggled to score at home Apart from the FA cup.
And beat a Chelsea side 4-1 that could not give a s**t.
Kenny made to many mistakes with team selections and in his tactics and his substitutions, most of time were very questionable to say the least not just talking about the subs Themselves. It was bringing players on far to late.
Kenny's rotating caused problems players who did alright on previous games were dropped and some players who had been s**te all season continued to play.
Kenny was responsible for bringing in the new signings and there lies the fundamental reason why Kennys finds himself in the situation he's in and the club is in. I am not just talking about the poor performances of kenny's buys. there's the Louis Suarez situation. This caused great embarrassment and raise a few eye brows not just amongst the Fans, but past players and friends of Kenny were concerned about the way things had been handled.
The Louis Suarez thing is still being talked about. Rightly or wrongly it's still talked about and that's not a good thing for our club.
So in essence The Fenway Group May have over looked the Suarez situation if we had qualified for Europe, but we did not and they are not happy with that. They did say before the season had began that Champions league qualification was a requirement.
The requirement was not met. So an investigation took place reports drawn up and assessments made.
Main reason for failure on the field:
1. Did poorly in the transfer market.
2. Dropped to many points at home.
3. To many bad individual performances (especially from new recruits).
4. To many mistakes made by KK with tactics and rotation policy.
5. Struggled to score goals.
6 Only really perform against top sides.
Failure of the field:
THE LOUIS SUAREZ SITUATION(SAY NO MORE)
So as you see it comes down to K.K. He alone is not to blame for the crisis, that is absolutely true. the are certain players who should hang the heads in shame. But It's the Manager who gets fired.
From the Fenway's point of view something drastic is required to turn the club around and make us a force again. And they have a plan so let them get on with it. Wait until there is official confirmation about all the new changes and the judge, moan or celebrate.
We all want the best for our club and it's no doubt a nervy time being a fan. But what's the point in moaning or shouting until something happens
Chill out guys I've got a good feeling about the future.
EJ
22 May 2012 14:39:45
Making Rafa the new manager again will be a big mistake, last time he managed he pushed players out of liverpool, just to name a few alonso, mashers, benayoun. Thats how we started to decline so instead of going backwards, go forwards with a new and proven managers with the right credentials to push liverpool forward.
YWNA
Mascherano was still here for Woy's pre season and for a couple of league games. If Rafa had stayed so would have Mascherano {Ed001's Note - not true, he wanted out regardless of Rafa or Roy, he had already asked to leave before Rafa was sacked.}
Do some research and get your facts right before posting a load of old tosh.
I suggest reading the Epic Swindle book.
How did he push out Masch? Rafa was the reason why Masch stayed in England. Get your facts right, classic Benitez hater.
22 May 2012 14:39:04
I think we need an experienced manager who's worked in the premiership
Kevin Keegan
Alan Curbishley
Sam Allerdyce
Martin Jol
Would be my first choices
ANDY
LFC
I'd rather let a dog defecate on my chest and be buried alive than let fat sam manage liverpool
You're an person ! possibly the worst list of candidates i have ever seen put together.
cobra
What about Roy Hodgson?
WOW! no way can be a liverpool supporter!
A bit early to be drinking andy. Lol
Mo
Pay West Ham a compensation package for Allerdyce lol:):):):):):):) CRAZY Can't stop laughing Never heard of the 3 for years!
kidmillions
A mete of mine who is an Everton season ticket holder, tells me that Liverpool's new manager will be Ken Dodd, so that tracksuits etc will not need to be replaced.
And I would rather have Ken Dodd than any of the four you propose.
DJP
3 of those choices are ridiculous then there is Allardyce which isn't even funny!!
22 May 2012 14:34:40
As a liverpool fan i'd hate to get Capello or Martinez take charge. Its a shame because there is only one or two managers out there who will do wonders for the club and one manager is Martin O'Neil.
Is any of the rumors true, that a new manager will be announced by end of the week?
O'Neill is rubbish too mate
O'Neill is not Rubbish
He's far better than
RAFA
Capello
Martinez
AVB
Hi Martin.
Jeeze Louise
You found me out!
22 May 2012 14:34:10
Has anyone else thought a manager who hasn't managed in a long time yet was always ahead of his time was Glenn Hoddle... Has no association with us however he was a favourite player of mine.. Would in my mind do an outstanding job...
Glenn ,that's twice you posted today, now cut it out, you are not getting the job !
Glenn go talk crap somewhere else.
22 May 2012 14:30:12
Strong rumours going round that the mcdonalds is to open up at the lop end again......does this mean Ronald is in with a chance of the managers job
22 May 2012 14:24:23
Hearing lots of different things involving Martinez, Capello, AVB and Laudrup. Let's be honest. Nobody really knows either inside or outside the club apart from those directly involved in bringing in the new manager and other positions. We will all have to wait and see.
I dont think they even really know
Yeah just because the press are reporting it it doesn't make it true
derryred
22 May 2012 14:23:01
Lfc is seriously considering Herry Redknap it is true? Or another b**l s**t
Wouldnt mind though
22 May 2012 14:13:00
Just for those of you who are nonstop moaning and claiming that for Martinez or whoever it would be a too big step up to manage Liverpool...
... Rafa Benitez joined Valencia after he had one successful year with CD TENERIFE in the SEGUNDA DIVISION (2nd league in Spain) !
He did go on and won 2 TITLES and 1 UEFA CUP with them!
So please stop criticizing the new manager before he is even in charge!
Cheers
Phil
22 May 2012 13:57:42
1. hey ed do u guys know whats happening with hazard? im not asking in relation to liverpool, to anywhere he is going, this guy is a legend lol, the way he makes so many teams chasing him, and talking about all those teams at different times. but i would like to know where he is kinda interested in going?
2. im asking on behalf of my friend here who is a MU fan, i remember u guys said that MU no longer have the spending power like they once had, is this true? may i know why? and is it true that the resigning of paul scholes was a sign of it?
thanks ed.
Kaizer {Ed001's Note - 1. Hazard is a media whore, who holds a press conference every week, I really couldn't give a monkey's where he goes and would be happy to never hear his name mentioned ever again, personally.
2. They can't spend like they did, they have to pay down the bonds etc.}
22 May 2012 13:57:30
Not sure if this has been mentioned but what about Roberto Di Matteo if he gets the sack. He fits the bill but do you think he has just been lucky.
Lucky .
Are you mad do you really want to see liverpool play 10 at the back and hit them on the counter crap football.
Red Branch
That would be like Chelsea hiring KK as manager
22 May 2012 13:56:11
I can't help but think that some of the names that are currently in the press and Sky Chelski news are using the vacant managerial position at Liverpool to get new improved contracts. Apparently Harry Redknapp has been mentioned as a possible Liverpool manager in todays London Evening Standard. Seems to me like his agent looking a better deal at the Spuds.
Please, you scousers are more than welcome to him!
22 May 2012 13:41:42
Just a thought , How bad would it be to get Capello( very experienced compared to AVB and Matinez ) for a couple of seasons to get us back on track , Also employ younger coach ( Carragher or simular ) to work under him to then take when he retires ?
He would surely be able to attract quality players and has won loads.
By the way i am not saying this is what i want , i am just thinking out aloud and after your thoughts if it would work ?
Guinnessred8
Great! Perhaps Postman Pat will bring his whipping boy Stuart Pearce with him.:(:(:(
kidmillions
22 May 2012 13:38:08
getting quite pi$$ed it seems like a new manager each day id like it to be just announced so we can start to build the squad for the season 2012/2013
KIDD
Anyone going in for second talks will now what they want to do and we cant buy any european players untill June anyway and i doubt there is anyone we would have signed yet anyway, also from what I am aware the players don't really do too much at the moment, most on holidays or break. So manager now or in a week doesn't actually have too many implications. If it goes over this then things will get a little awkward i feel
ShaneK Lfc
Don't think it's makes much difference with euros coming up, players always get held back in case value rises form some good performances
22 May 2012 14:10:08
Have this from a solid source.
None of you know anything concrete, as that's the way FSG wish to run the club.
100% fact. Put ya money on it.
Enough of the bulls*#t
But its a rumour site? surely the speculation is the point of this site?
ShaneK Lfc
22 May 2012 14:08:33
Hey eds love the site Do you think we could set up a poll for who we want as Liverpool manager would be very intresting to see if it matches other websites {Ed001's Note - it would only end up getting hijacked, they always do.}
sry ed, but what do u mean by hijacked? by other clubs or by other websites?
Kaizer {Ed001's Note - fans of other clubs.}
22 May 2012 14:08:08
It gets worse.....................
'Harry Redknapp emerges as a shock target to become Liverpool's new manager, according to the London Evening Standard, which reports that the Merseyside club are considering making a move for the 65-year-old to replace Kenny Dalglish'
The Gotaherder
JFT96
The Anfield Cat is delighted as he's set to become a Millionaire under Arry's Management:):):)
kidmillions
I said this yesterday and was shot down. I think he has done really well at spurs..
He has built a better squad than we have thats for sure..
Why Not? Apart from the fact that he wouldn't come anyway but there is no harm in asking? weve asked avery other f***er.
Gazman {Ed016's Note - he writes for the s*n)
22 May 2012 14:07:31
Just want to voice my opinion about the current situation. we all have different preferences as to who we would like to see managing the club (mines avb) but as supporters we've got to get behind whoever they decide and show them what makes this club truely great. so i dont know about anyone else but come next season ill be wearing my liverpool shirt with pride and cheering our team on wether it be martinez or anyone else in charge
22 May 2012 14:06:30
Hello Eds,
so it seems it's all clear now and Liverpool will have three new managers by the end of the week from what people keep posting here. Bento, AVB, Martinez are the three lucky ones. I just wonder what will the cooparation look like? And don't forget Capello. And Benitez. It's a pity Mourinio sign a new contract. I'm sure he would be a firm candidate...
Bento the Portugal manager ?
22 May 2012 13:57:55
quick point folks
the current contenders - AvB, martinez, rafa and capello seem to be the flavour of the moment!
which ever of these 4 (or whoever) ends up getting the role, they couldn't do any worse than appointing John Barnes to the coaching staff, particularly the first 2.
for me, he was and still is my favorite player of all time and the best player i have ever seen playing for liverpool IMO, which is no mean feat given the competition.
after reading his interview on the lfc website today, i have to say this guy HAS to involved in some capacity.
granted he's not had the best of times as a manager but as a coach in the new set-up, i can't see how that couldn't but help.
as i mentioned with AvB and martinez, he would be the connection to the fans as it goes without saying he understands what we feel and what its like to play for this great club, in the not too distant past.
i say - get barnesy in!
sinner21
22 May 2012 13:43:14
Do you know which LFC Supports Association it refers to by any chance?
The Goatherder
JFT96 {Ed001's Note - no sorry, I don't.}
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Its spirit of shankly they have written a letter.
Red indian
Cheers mate - seen it now thanks.
22 May 2012 13:35:02
Think it is time somebody said what we are all thinking. Remember a couple of seasons ago when Randy Lerner bought Villa? 2 Good seasons, strong champs league push and then good old Randy realised what it actually costs to succeed in this league and bottled it. Players sold, wage bill slashed. I think FSG gambled on us making the champs league this season and we didn't. I expect Liverpool to remain a mid table club. When are we going to learn what these American owners are like? Even Utd with all their money are slowly being crushed under the weight of their Americans. You see these people have no love or passion for football. They weren't attracted to our clubs because of their rich histories. They saw dollar signs all over them. Can you imagine John Henry reacting like Abramovich did when Chelsea won on Satruday? Not likely, good ol' boy john would be trying to sell our best players off to a team with real ambition. Sorry, but if anyone can point me to 1 single piece of evidence that contradicts this then i am all ears.
This post has hit the nail on the head. Glad to see there are people out there that are starting to realise what FSG are all about.
Randy Lerner is a single individual that owns a football club. FSG are a group of investors that own a football club. Can you see the difference? Do FSG want profits, yes. How do you mark profits in football? By winning. The "yonks out" mentality shocks me, 18 months in charge & you want them gone? Seems a bit childish to me. And to declare all american owners are alike is for me to claim all English people have bad teeth. Have patience, I would hate to be one of your kids.
an american red
Think most managers can spot these cheap yanks a mile off, thus all are declining.
LFC under two successive groups of American owners have become irrelevant in the football world.
FSG, no ambition, no vision, dollar mad, scrooge's.
Please someone save us, or we are going to become another Aston Villa.
I hope you guys are wrong....?
We will have to wait and see i guess?
Phooey
22 May 2012 13:32:52
So, summing up the rumours, ITKs and reliable sources:
Rodgers will u-turn and be named manager on Wednesday, only to be trumped by the successful candidate's return from Boston, Roberto Martinez, on Thursday morning.
Imagine his surprise on Friday when AVB is signed, and immediately closes the deals for Falcao and Moutinho.
But it doesn't end there. By next week a legal approach and another u-turn later, and de Boer will end the clubs 3rd shortest managerial reign ever by replacing AVB.
Hold on tight guys. It's going to get a bit hairy - I have a reliable source
22 May 2012 13:29:17
If Martinez comes I hope he brings Moses with him great player for the future what to you think edd or Macca ? {Ed001's Note - god no, he plays with his head down, looks great in highlights but is not good enough, in my opinion, to play for a pass and move side.}
You can't get anymore head down merchant lash it in the box to no one than Downing:
When Moses was at Palace? from looking good he went to bad till Martinez got hold of him.
Moses has got an eye for goal and can head a ball? Two skills that Downing hasn't got. Oh! and ten times cheaper?
kidmillions
22 May 2012 13:24:17
So some managers said NO.... so what? At least we asked. Alll FSG can do is get the best possible manager available and if you don't ask the top managers what their plans are thats a mistake. So Deschamps, Klopp etc are staying with their clubs.
It's a busy time with a tournament about to happen as some uncontracted coaches may be in talks about upcoming vacant jobs (before and after the Euros).
Short term option I'd like Laudrup (two years)
Long term I'd prefer AVB (Four years)
And United wont have gazillions to spend either. Glazers have just pumped 200m into new Tampa Bay Buccanneers players (most since they won Superbowl in 2002) so Fergie wont get hundreds of millions to spend so Giggs and Scholes will go around again.
Whomever the new manager is.....stand up.....beside him and the staff.. with your fellow fans.... and give them your support... and show why WE BLEED RED FOREVER
22 May 2012 13:23:41
Fabio Capello
I agree that his CV may be second to none but the fact that hes been England manager for a couple of years and hasnt even attempted to learn English is atrocious!
Our clubs fans love a manager who Communicates with us and becOmes part of the family, and knowing that none of us actually speak italian?? Lol
Its a no no for me.
Plus hes quite old making me doubt his appointment as FSG want a younger manager to build his empire.
RedSox69
He was hated at Madrid for the style of football he employed.
kidmillions
22 May 2012 13:22:08
ive got a feeling the owners are gonna go for martinez... one of the eds mentioned they want a coach more than manager.! ive been thinking about martinez...if he can get us playing good on the floor football then we'll be happy...thats all we want ...does it matter who gets us playing good football? as long as we are!! if the players stand up and play for the club and the manager..and the manager gets us playing decent football...it'll be happy days!
every manager had to be given a chance at every club they started at...they weren't born with a european cup and league title as their middle names!! lets support the club and the decisions they make... less paranoia=more euphoria
blindsyde ynwa
22 May 2012 13:18:21
I hope AVB doesnt get the job. There have been a few players from Chelsea who have since come out and stated that his man management skills were poor including Mikel and Lukaku. While this could also be the egos talking out because they were on the bench but the main think I would worry about was they both said he never had a conversation with them on why they werent playing. Ed's have you heard of any other players not liking AVB? {Ed001's Note - yes, lots of them, he tried to make up for his lack of experience by being too hard on them. Half the first team were made to train with the kids.}
22 May 2012 13:17:01
Mournhio signs new contract at madrid
Dam,does that mean he's not coming,you mean he won't leave Madrid,the champions of Spain were he's on 220k a week,has some of the best layers in the world,am shocked,who's second choice then,oh it's roberto Martinez .........isn't that the manager of wigen,..how standerds have dropped
According to the Red Tops
Ronaldo is a good "Layer"
And you are.....?
KJS
22 May 2012 13:11:03
Hi eds was could Coles age and wages be the end of his Liverpool career cause i just think he could be decent back up
This coming season I know it would prob be whether the new manager wanted him or not. Just said I'd ask your opinion.
Thanks mike {Ed001's Note - personally I would get rid, he could cope with a very poor French league and it's lack of pace, but the Prem is different. It is fast and frenetic and just doesn't suit him.}
I saw a presentation listing the Chelsea training stats from his time there. Him and Deco consistently trained at a much faster pace and more often that the rest of a very fit squad.
Trainings one thing? Playing is another?
Whatever level you play at. Seen some great trainers that were not so good players and vice versa.
kidmillions
22 May 2012 13:03:57
Roberto martinez is a joke i do not want the man who thinks Ben Watson is a good player anywhere near my beloved liverpool.
Wrong, Martinez inherited Ben Watson who was signed by Steve Bruce and has been constantly loaned out by Martinez in search of a new club for him. Slagging for the sake of slagging is pointless.
kidmillions
22 May 2012 13:01:29
Managing Liverpool has basically reached 'sex with the queen' status. It's an honour to be asked but you wouldn't actually want to do it.
I would:definitely:
kidmillions
Exactly perfect ha
I would!
Prince Philip
22 May 2012 12:53:29
To Eds and Macca,
I know it is a long shot but I really feel that FSG would not have sacked KK if they didnt think they could attract the best to replace him. but Fabio Capello and Pep Guardiola have replied to speculation to publically turn down the Chelsea job... why havent they then done the same for the Liverpool job?
I really do think Martinez and Rodgers were genuine targets but that they were interviewed to get a feel for their management style. I have a confidence in the owners though I cant explain why. If they are genuinely looking to return LFC to the top they need to get this acquisition and they know it. I can see a very big name coming in, maybe not Guardiola or Capello but someone of similiar stature.
22 May 2012 12:53:13
Im really glad Martinez is having a second interview, if he did get the job I reckon the owners would be wise to put him on a 1 year rolling contract, with the added incentive of. Ana slight pay increase if he is successful. That way everyone is determined to be successful.
On another note if Di matteo could be Chelsea boss after managing West from, where they struggled why can't Martinez manage Liverpool.
YNWA. Si
22 May 2012 12:49:19
Ssn has just said matteo has been offered a one year contact. Could effect who we get?
Gazman
Dominick matteo,but he has not got his badges,...or does blue Peter badges get you the job
22 May 2012 12:49:09
"Please Mr Henry not Martinez"
=================================
I am not against or for Martinez being the next manager, but I've seen so many posts like the above and I just wondered if some of you considered that Wigan finished only 9 points behind us, they spent 1.3m we spent 53m , in the last 3 months of the season they managed 23 points to our 13.
You need to also consider that Wigans squad is near enough half of ours, so for him (Martinez) to manage to get his club to collect as many points at the hard end of the season when resources are depleted and most players are tired or injured is a testament to his good management.
Roy
Roy mate if you believe in statistics then royhodgson is trice a manager compare to martinez if you check hodgson CV and what he has achieve as mid table manager is impresive as liverpool fan worries me and shows lack of ambition from our owners when I feel lack of anmbition then what our players be feeling
The difference between Hodgson and Martinez is age.
Hodgson at 60 something have learnt everything and set in his ways, he passed his peak when he left Inter.Whilst Martinez is younger developing manager, most managers learn their trade at smaller clubs and then learn and develop even more once they get their chance at a bigger club, even Jose said of his time at Chelsea as a big learning curve.
Another difference between the two is the playing style, Martinez teams play the kind of football we like to watch at Liverpool, where Hodgson , likes a more defensive style which only looks half decent if you get the results.
Roy
22 May 2012 12:42:38
Klopp - refused
Deschamps - refused
De Boer - refused
Rodgers - refused
Verdict: we used to be a big club but not now. Why?
We aren't in the Champions League and haven't challenged for the top 4 in 3 years.
Hans
22 May 2012 12:39:59
in our 09-10 europa league run eden hazard played against us twice so why did we not see his potential and sign him seen as he would still have been quite cheap. the same goes for rami, cabaye, coentrao, luiz, di maria and ramires. does this club actually employ scouts?
Yea cos no player has ever developed before
We were waiting for Nunez and Kroncamp to come good
Why would he of come here so young? Give up a starting place to play in our reserves?
He is moving clubs this summer as he and his agent have timed it perfectly so he gets maximum wages, sign on fees, agent fees etc.
I fear he has more hunger for money than he does for football.
MIKEY
No girl guides
And in the Nunez/Kronkamp response is exactly why Rafa should NEVER be allowed anywhere near our club again. {Ed016's Note - Xabi Alonso, Fernando Torres, Daniel Agger, Pepe Reina, Dirk Kuyt and Lucas: a few reasons why when he does get it right he is spot on!)
22 May 2012 12:37:53
I just want to say that why dont we just let FSG make the decisions about the management team and not all drool over past managers, we tried that and it failed, i love dalglish but he wasnt the right man for the long term and neither is rafa, if FSG pick martinez then fine if he does well we will all be signing his name if not then FSG will put it right, it takes time to rebuild it doesnt happen over one or two seasons, every team goes through times when there down the mess that was made is still being mopped up so to say, we still have big wage players on the list that we need to get rid of as they are crap, lets give FSG time to get it right and stop moanin about this that and the next thing, and the end of the day they are the ones footing the bill for expensve mistakes so i dont see it being much longer before they get it right, remember dont believe everything you read on the internet, the papers or ! Liverpool FC forever no one is bigger than the club! AJH 316
22 May 2012 12:31:22
Apologies for the cut and paste but I think it sums up a lot of the worries of LFCs supporters:
Liverpool fan group Spirit of Shankly, which led the protests against former owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett, has written to Fenway Sports Group to express its concern over the way the club is being run.
"It may be that yourselves and the board of Liverpool Football Club have a vision you are working towards," SOS's letter read. "It may be that you have implemented a strategy to deliver that vision and decisions are being made to work towards this.
"However, from the outside, where supporters find themselves once again, it looks like a football club in disarray. Confusion and chaos seems to reign and no one is coming out of this with much credit, particularly the football club's image and brand.
"We need clear and pro-active communication, a confident message about the club's plans that breeds confidence amongst supporters that we are moving in the right direction. Instead, we have silence and a lack of information or understanding on decisions being made.
"As supporters we have seen all too clearly what a lack of communication from absentee owners leads to. Ultimately supporters remain in the dark once again about the plans for this football club moving forward.
"We find ourselves experiencing deja vu, where boardroom decisions lead to more questions than they answer. We ask that you speak with supporters - engage with a true representative cross section of supporters and work with supporters to provide solutions to our current problems."
Well done, SOS
cozinoz
These guys need to find something to do. We are not about to go into administration.
I feel this will bring even more negativity to our club, I agree they should contact the owners but they should have kept this discreet instead of feeding the media with even more garbage to throw at us.
Now the media will be full of "Liverpool fans turn against thier owners........" Damaging the club further.
GGK
So do they not read the very clear statements that have been made by Ayre on behalf of the owners, or did they just not understand.
The owners have hardly been distant other than geographically (get with the modern world).
There's been plenty of change in terms of communication with the supporters. It's hardly suprising they don't invite the fans into the boardroom for discussions of this nature. Even inviting select fan members would result in our news all over the press. And guess what, we complained bitterly when the workings of LFC was splattered all over the news under the cowboys, longing for the days when 'liverpool did things behind closed doors' - now when we do things behind closed doors we complain. We can't even wait a week or two for news anymore.
The owners have invested serious time and money into the club, and haven't suggested that will stop. They've made it clear they are in it for the long haul.
Their current work on the club setup is surely proof they are working very hard to get it right. They deserve at least time and support from the fans and players on this. A year and a half is no time to make the significant changes required to get things moving in the right direction.
That doesn't mean we don't need to see their labour bear fruit but we need to give them time, and show some faith.
Stop whining and support the club while it, clearly if you listen and read what they say, works hard to make the right changes.
So called fans will be booing and attacking them club before a ball is kicked, barely a couple weeks after we've finished a season.
Give me strength....................
SCF27
They wrote/sent this letter last week, cozinoz mate. I don't understand why some media outlets are running with it now?
Oops! Sorry mate I do know why the media outlets are running with it now. It's because, they havnt got a f**king clue.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
22 May 2012 12:30:57
let's not kid ourselves, jonjo shelvey is the new lee bowyer
22 May 2012 12:29:17
Rafa Benitez has to be the best candidate for the job.
His CV includes:
-League success in Spain and England.
-European success in Spain and England.
-Experience of management in the Premier league.
-Ability to attract Spanish players to Liverpool.
-Has worked successfully with some of the players already at Liverpool.
-Has been successful with Liverpool in the past.
-Has popularity with fans.
And also bought over 70 players, of which 80% were s**te.
Forgot to mention falling out with his last 3 employers, dragging Liverpool down to where we are today, dragging a champions league winning team (inter) down and getting sacked twice in the space of 18 months.
MIKEY
KK also had popularity with fans, but look how quickly they turned on him.
Do we only want players from Spain, that's very short sighted.
Sorry, Rafa had his chance, its time to move on with someone new, not someone with baggage!.
Has perhaps learned from his mistakes...?
He's not my ideal candidate but he's one of the very few managers to attract good players to a mid table team...unfortunately that's what we are...
Marc
Benitez buying rubbish players is just media indoctrination. All of the players he bought which didn't work out were cheap so there's no harm done. Players like Keane were Parry's decision. As for Aquilani, it is evident he has the quality.
Anyway didn't a certain Sir Alex buy the likes of Djemba-Djemba, Kleberson, Bebe, Hargreaves, Anderson? Rafa in comparison is not as bad as people make out.
Arsene Wenger has a brilliant cv.
Fact is though he has won nothing for nearly 7 yrs. So past achievements do not necessarily mean you will be successful. Kenny has gone we need a young and ambitious Manager.
kidmillions
22 May 2012 12:23:16
Apart from media speculation - what makes anyone sure that Rafa wants full control?
You could understand him getting involved in a few things the first time he was there, but that was only because he could see that changes were needed.
He doesn't need to worry about the owners as they are now decent and only have LFC's best interest at heart.
That waste of space Rick Parry is no longer there.
The youth set up is fine - thanks to Rafa.
All he would need to concentrate on is the 1st team.
Surely his contract would reflect his actual remit?
Also, he would have seen all the press stuff about him over the past few years and would hopefully realise the few tweaks he needs to implement on himself to win over the remaining doubters.
Some people on here seem to believe FSG dont want to have to deal with the club, is this were true then rafa would be the man for the job
22 May 2012 12:20:39
Hi, just wanting you to sort some queries that I have
1: firstly, who is the most likely to become the new manager
2: secondly, will we have a re shuffle of players when we get the new manager
3: lastly, will we still have the transfer policy that we had with Damian comolli
Thanks
I'll save the eds some trouble.
1. Nobody knows yet
2. Yes probably - most new managers do
3. No - unless we re-employ Damien Comolli
22 May 2012 12:18:39
All of a sudden Toshack and Roy Evans doesnt look such a bad option does it?
22 May 2012 12:17:44
Crisis at Christmas ?
Apocalypse Now more like.
22 May 2012 12:16:34
Hey eds, just wondering how Lucas' injury is, is he training and and do you think he maybe ready for august?
OLl {Ed001's Note - last I heard he would be fit for pre-season, not sure if that was to play or train though.}
22 May 2012 12:13:58
I dnt care if no 1 agrees ,I think we should appoint Martinez as manager, he is a decent bloke,a great coach and his teams play attractive football,with the squad he had a Wigan he has dun amazing keeping them up every season .look at all the crap players at Wigan and look at the football he got them to play at times,I think he would suprise everyone if he was given a chance .and for every one who wants rafa back need to rememba the defensive tactics ,the subs he used to make like Torres off wen we losing,the selling of alonso, no thanks {Ed001's Note - Wigan do not have crap players, they have a better squad than most of the lower half of the Prem. I am sick of this disrespect being shown them! They have a better squad than Norwich and Swansea, let alone Wolves etc.}
Edoo1 arsenal fan here,your 100% right edd wigan have had a good squad for a few years now and i hate playing them,when they play well they are a very tough team to beat,problem being they are sh--te for 3-4 games then wake up for 2 games then go back to sleep for another 3 games,so it must be a motivation thing? which would worry me if i was an lfc fan
trev the gooner {Ed001's Note - which is one of the things that worries me, Martinez doesn't seem to be able to get them playing as he wants them to play on a consistent basis.}
Not sure if being a 'decent bloke' is what Henry and co will be considering
cozinoz
Wigan finished in 11th with most of those 'crap' players under Steve Bruce. Since then 3 successive relegation scraps?
Wigan regularly lose their best players in the close season and find more gems and start again. That's why they show some inconsistency. Look how it affected Arsenal at the beginning of the season.
kidmillions
22 May 2012 12:09:46
I have read quite a few posts on here saying " whoever we get in as manager just support them because we are Liverpool etc etc" I would just like to ask these posters do you pay £800 upfront before a ball has been kicked and go to every game and pay the extra money involved with going to the match i.e food drinks footy programme etc and the added expense if you bring any of your children along? It's very easy to back the team regardless and pat yourself on the back as being a die hard red because you never critcise when your only costings regarding watching Liverpool is your sky/virgin subscription and buying a replica top every 2 seasons! That's why I want the right man in and will voice my opinion on it, because supporting my team is a very costly buisness so NO i wont blindly back whoever the yanks bring in because my hard earned cash will be paying his wages!
Waro
What a stupid post. At last count there were around 50,000 people on the waiting list for a season ticket, so of you can't support the new manager, whoever he is, then step aside. We're not consumers we're supporters. You should feel privileged to attend every game and you should make damn sure no one is more worthy than you by constantly supporting the club as vocally as possible.
Kieran (Kop block 202)
Spot on Waro lad, spot on!
I believe we should support who ever is put in charge yes! Even though I don't want Martinez, I will support him all the way if he gets the job, and yes I have a season ticket in the main stand and I personally pay £780 a year before a ball is kicked, and I would do each year even if Ian dowie was manager because am a Liverpool fan not a Chelsea or man city fan
Joeyk
So....keep paying your money and moaning like a wh@re. Either way you're still paying the money and you might find our new boss responds to the crowd chanting his name instead of booing......whoever he turns out to be
cozinoz
You don't have to blindly back whoever they choose but you do have to respect the decision they make and show some faith. The only managerial change they've made previously is to get rid of Hodgson, which everyone wanted, and get in KK, which the majority wanted, and then to get rid of KK, which a fair number wanted. Surely they deserve some consideration on the next choice they make. if you can't do that I suggest you save your money and spend it elsewhere, as the team doesn't need people to turn up not backing their manager, and subsequently the team from the start of the season.
Waro, i don't pay 800 up front, but i do pay 400 three times a season to travel to see Liverpool and the extra cost of food drink etc, for each weekend. Does this make me better than you so because i pay more to see them less ? No it certainly doesn't i think all fans are on an equal footing. It shoudn't matter how much any of us pay to see them, what matters is that the old adage of supporting the club through good and bad seems to be gone. And by extension the armchair sky fans are the biggest contributors to all clubs without them there is no huge Premiership TV deal ann all that goes with it. Also, last time i looked it is only the owners who can pick the manager. They made the decision to go with Kenny because of the fans clamour for him the last time. Unfortunately for all this didn't work out as expected. So if you decide to get on the managers back from the start because you don't like him how does that help anyone. I totally agree with you that all fans hard earned cash is what helps pay wages and it pi**es us off when things are not going right. As an aside, who do you think should be in charge? and realistically, how would you go about persuading them to take over?
Irish Red Fan
Waro, I will support the manager, whoever it may be, because I support Liverpool Football Club, not any individual.
Actually, spot on Kieran! You don't like it, then don't buy it!
Kieran and Joeyk, if you go the game what the f**k are you responding to my post for? I will listen to your opinions all day long, but if you sit at your computer screen and make comments on sites like this and watch us on t.v. and call people like myself a bad supporter because I make a stand against people who could ruin my club then it's not happening! I marched with sos to get rid of the other 2 the last time and I will be with them again if these yanks try and av us off like the tootin texans! kieran and joeyk, bet it was people like you who moaned like bitches when we marched but were happy enough with the end result when we got rid though, if you don't like people like me who fight for my club then don't respond to my posts, you just bury your heads and hope it works out ye mugs!!
Waro
22 May 2012 12:05:42
Morning Fellow Reds,
I have a very very reliable source that has passed me info which I think will shock us all.
I must state this source is from within the club and as far as to say is at board room level.
Our next manager will not be any of those that have been mentioned on the various shortlists that have been banded around, he will in fact be Lord Lucan. He has decided to come out of hidding and manage our great club. The club have in return promised to help him stay out of jail and will ofer him a 2 year contract with champions league football expected next sean as a MINIMUM requirement.
You heard it here first guys.
Westminster Red
You wasted your time dreaming this up.
Did you once write scripts for 'Terry and June'?
Or upstairs downstairs? coz there aint much upstairs with you lad!
Phooey
22 May 2012 12:00:54
I think the only real optipn is AVB.
Yes he bombed at Chelsea, but look at how many have also been 'sacked or terminated'.
Chelsea obviously saw him as a great candidate, so it didn't work out there, who says he won't be great at LFC.
The rest of the candidates (in my view) are just not right for LFC, including Rafa (he had his chance, as they say don't go back).
AVB gets my vote.
Shankly's Red Army.
22 May 2012 11:57:36
Hi ed, please post.
I myself prefer AVB over Martinez. AVB is a young manager who, if given the chance, will do whatever required to bring Liverpool back their glory days for one important reason: He doesn't want that bad spot as a "failed manager in epl" on his CV!
I agree that AVB's tenure at Chelsea was not much of a success. But it was marred by the differences between him and John Terry. But he believed that this Chelsea team could win the Champions League and they did win. He signed players like Romeu and Lukaku who have great future (though Meireles is bullcr*p).
Despite his differences with senior Chelsea players like Terry, Lampard and Drogba, he is an exceptional manager. Just look at his tenure in Porto!
So I believe that we should give a chance to AVB as he's eager to bring his CV back on track, and in the process, bringing us back to our glory years!
Cheers
RED Varun {Ed001's Note - he actually had more problems with the younger players than the older ones. It was those he fell out with, which caused a lot of arguments with the older players.}
Lukaku for instance!
The Irish Rover
22 May 2012 11:55:39
Hi Macca
Ian Ayre spoke of a new structure at the club. i.e breaking up what Comollii did into smaller roles.
1) do you have any info on what the new structure will be, and what new roles will be
2) Any idea who the owners are looking at to fill any of these roles?
Many Thanks
Ever heard of too many cooks spoil the soup.
Ha, ha.
Another 'cheap alternative', my goodness does FSG have any money at all.
We are becoming a 'cheap and nasty club', one with champagne tastes but only beer money.
Looks like we will only get the 'cheapest' manager available, free transfers, and a stadium made out of wood and plastic.
If you buy cheap, don't expect brilliance, but prepare yourself for average performances and results.
22 May 2012 11:48:02
i bet the same people who slate macca still look for his posts and go on his page to read what he says , but then moan anyway. if you dont believe him or dont rate him dont look and dont moan . some people have such little brains. i for one look forward to his posts MUCH more reliable than all the "you heard it here first" dribble . so the short of it is moan somewhere else and thanks macca and eds for the info you let us in on . quick question for macca if poss ; do you think the owners will back finacially the new manager , as in the modern game new managers seem to always want a big war chest (to make them look good!) and i see this as a stumbling block as to us getting the so called 'best' managers thanks eds and macca andy.
22 May 2012 11:46:42
I know you can't necessarily compare football and baseball, but it might be worth looking at the way FSG handled the appointment of the new Red Sox manager last year. At the end of last season the Red Sox ditched their manager after a spectacular collapse that left them empty handed after having been on the brink of World Series qualification at one point. FSG looked at a lot of candidates, and interviewed several youngish people, some of whom had little or no management experience or were 3rd base coaches (assistants like Steve Clarke, basically). In the end, however, they abandoned their search for a young manager and went for Bobby Valentine, a 62 year old who has managed baseball teams all over America and in Asia. In other words, I think they went for what they saw as a pair of safe hands rather than risking their initial wish to get someone young, in the absence of any candidates they could trust.
I'm not saying the same thing is going to happen to us, but I feel as though there might be a pattern here. I wouldn't be surprised if they are looking very seriously at people like Capello, Luis van Gaal, maybe even Lippi.
Personally, I think that if a fantastic young manager becomes available at some stage that would be ideal, but at the moment I would rather not see somebody chosen just for the sake of their youth. AVB needs a couple of years proving himself at somewhere like Villa before I'd even think about him. (The last thing we need is a manger who is going to let SG and Carra pick the team. ) I'd be happy to see, maybe on a short two-year contract, somebody like Capello or van Gaal who would be able to give the players the kick up the backside they need, rebuild the team and give us at least some progress. The sad fact is that we are not currently a team that the best managers are queuing up to work for. We've got to get back to that stage and then take it from there. Patience is a virtue.
-SH-
Could very well be. Although I would note that they needed safe pair of hands / experienced managed at BoSox because of (alleged) disciplinary issues among players.
22 May 2012 11:40:16
Why are there so many no marks being touted to manage our great club? We are Liverpool fc we deserve only the best in management, we may not have won the league for a while but we are still the biggest club in British football along with the mancs. Come on John Henry get your cheque book out and go and install some quality who will put this great club back where we belong..on top of our perch! Let's be fair what has Martinez or Rodgers ever done other than only just keep an average side in the league! Sorry eds I'm just really frustrated over this whole situation can I ask a quick question aswell, what is happening with the stadium are we redeveloping anfield or building a new one? Great job to all the eds love the sute
{Ed001's Note - no one knows for sure what is happening with the stadium now, they wanted to redevelop Anfield, but every time that gets close to happening another obstacle appears. Naming rights for a new stadium fell through, which is why a new stadium hasn't happened either. It is becoming a serious monkey on the club's back now.}
22 May 2012 11:39:20
So it looks like Martinez is about to get the job, well so much for FSG's promise to listen to the supporters. If he is our next manager I will get behind him and support him, but will take it as a big slap in the face and what doe's this say as a statement of intent, personally I think we will be back here by christmas...has there ever been a better time to be a blue, they must be laughing their socks off...
Dav001
If the owners listened to the fans we would be bankrupt and have loads of players who are good on FIFA !
G BOX
Fans like you create the myth that the next manager is a condemned man. Let's see what Martinez can do before slating him. Try to be a supporter.
cozinoz
22 May 2012 11:38:55
Rick parry is sailing very close to the wind with his recent comments. Depending on his severence agreement ( which I would imagine includes confidentialty) he could be open to legal action from the club?
In any case he should stay stumpf on this.
Iggypop
22 May 2012 11:37:39
I keep reading more and more posts criticising and abusing FSG and I feel a little bit of perspective is called for. Many fans seem to use the sacking of Dalglish as one of the reasons to abuse them. Now i'm not going to re-visit the subject of should Kenny have stayed or should he have gone because regardless of our love for him, in all honesty there was an argument for him staying and an argument for him going, FSG chose the latter.
I have also just read the letter from Spirit of Shankly that they have sent to FSG. Although the letter expressed justified concerns the letter just came across as pretentious. They make no mention of the new ground and suggest that Champions League Football isn't that important. These same fans criticising FSG for not communicating with the fans are probably the same fans who previously complained that Liverpool should do all their business behind closed doors the way it used to be. They can't have it both ways.
I don't want to come across as a cheerleader for FSG because i'm in the dark about their intentions the same as everyone else and herein lies my point. They should be given the benefit of the doubt at least until the several appointments at board level and manager have been made. Despite the criticism they've faced they've saved the club from debt, spent big money on several players since taking over and come across as relatively decent owners so far. Lets face it we can't pick from the top pot of managers or the top 2 pots of players anymore. We don't have the financial or geographical attraction of other clubs and as much as it hurts to admit it we've not been a major European or domestic force for years.
By all means, if they appoint someone such as Malky Mackay as one poster suggested yesterday lets vent our anger, but until then lets just wait and see and not let the media scare us. If Tixi and Dein are appointed to board level and someone such as AVB or Van Gaal appointed manager we'll be congratulating FSG on taking their time.
AJ
If it wasn't for SOS lad we would be in administration and playing in a differ'nt division, they are the voice of 99% of supporters and I applaud them for voicing there concerns which are also my concerns!! oh yes and can we move away from this FSG riding in on there white horses to save liverpool crap, there here for 1 thing and 1 thing only $$$$$$$'s end of or fact whichever you prefer!!
Waro {Ed001's Note - SOS had absolutely nothing to do with the sale, in fact they put off a large number of potential bidders.}
What a pack of losers they have far too much time on their hands
22 May 2012 11:32:25
Our club used to be run with dignity, respect and privacy, guess what? it worked from shankly through to houllier, but since then we have become a laughing stock in the eyes of our rivals and the vulture media, fair game for ridicule and mockery. 20 years ago you didn't know who was on the board or who owned what, now the people who take charge and run our club want more of the limelight than the players! personally i blame David Moores who sold us down the river for 30 pieces of silver in 07 - since then we have lurched from one disaster to another, and now this - washing our laundry in public with an appointment of a fourth manager in four years - shanks, paisley and fagan must be turning in their graves! (1959-1985 26 years- only 3 managers tells its own story about stability) this is not the way to run LFC. We have to get back to conducting our business with due respect for the people and rivals we deal with, it is the only way, get Ian Ayre off the t.v. get the manager appointed behind closed doors, and set any transfers in motion and then smile for the cameras- a media blackout to get some breathing space and chance to conduct business with dignity. OK rant over - Come on the Mighty Reds!! YNWA and JFT96!!!
22 May 2012 11:18:15
Great interview with john Barnes on the lfc website. love his view on football and lfc. and what a player. i couldn't agree more with his club philosophy views and the patience need from the supporters.
AK
I read that and thought it was a great insight into football philosophy
Guinnessred8
22 May 2012 11:15:40
Hey eds love the site Do you think we could set up a poll for who we want as Liverpool manager would be very intresting to see if it matches other websites {Ed001's Note - it would only end up getting hijacked, they always do.}
22 May 2012 11:14:46
Why not just go all out for steve kean we might aswel at this rate....beginning to lose faith rapidly for these yanks hope its restored somehow we shall wait and see..what a shambles we`ve become..sad times..#1983#..
I think the owners are doing the right thing by taking their time and considering their options carefully.
I'd worry if they pounced on the first manager they could.
Let's have patience and give them some credit.
Yes, we are a shambles at the moment, but given we are looking for a new management team it's to be expected, especially with the over-hype the rags are giving it.
Slink.
It's Been a week!!
For you that's only
5 days at school
2 days weekend playtime
22 May 2012 11:14:05
If you pay peanuts, you will only get monkeys.
Surely FSG realise this, or is it they are really without money to pay, or just damn tight.
Either way, it going to bite them in the ar*e!.
22 May 2012 11:13:32
Hi Eds and all,
Question for Eds and all.
We are aware our beloved club like to keep things behind closed doors, so we are linked with a number of managers that the press are assuming are on the list along with agents, I haven't heard our club release any managers names.
So the question is, firstly AVB has not said anything directly about LFC. I am sure LFC would approach him, and LFC would be pleased with his silence on any approach, most other linked managers have spoken to press. Would you see the talking to press as part of the selection process?
Managers that show digression and don't talk to press would be something I would see as a good quality, this would rule out Martinez.
The new manager must meet certain criteria in their vision for the club, but if you narrow the list to say 2 or 3 on this then how they handle the selection with press must be a factor.
Any opinions?
I want AVB or Laudrup personally so may be biased.
Thanks Eds, Macca and all for your info so far as I don't have contacts, I live in Kent! Just going on common sense.
Bazzaa {Ed001's Note - the only manager to have spoken to the press, was De Boer, and then only in response to a direct question. Otherwise they have not been talking to the press at all.}
22 May 2012 11:10:23
Just been lolling at suggestions that Moyes should be the next manager.
He is waiting to slip into Fergie's slippers when old Whisky Face retires.
That said, Moyes is a good manager imo but he'd never come to us.
22 May 2012 11:08:16
Hi, I think it was ED1 that had previously posted about his reasons for not wanting RM as the new Liverpool Manager.
RM hasn't got the ability to by good players that suit his team style of play and tactics. He wants to play an attractive passing style of football, but the players he bought (with no budget at Wigan) run with their heads down, which isn't great in a passing team.
Even when you take into account the other contenders for the position that we are hearing in the media - AVB, Rodgers, Laudrup, they may have similar difficulties, lack of experience or the inability to attract the right players.
The one point I think we need to look at here! Which the owners seem intent on installing at our beloved club, is a new MD (Possibly David Dein), a new DOF (Possibly Txiki Begiristain, Pep Segura,) and finally as put by Macca in his last post regarding Rafa (A Coach to to coach the players and not become to involved!!)
If we look at the new appointment from this point of view then does it really matter about the new manager/coach being able to by the right players?!?
Do they need to have that attractive pulling power for players?!?
No!! - It's a moo point, because the owners only want a coach that can take a squad of players, and make them a team that plays great football and wins things!
That is where the higher management set up needs to be right! If they crack that, and for example get David Dein and Txiki Begiristain in at the club buying the best young players along with some that have experience, Txiki can dictate what type of football we start to blood into the team along with what type of squad we will have, then the best young coach that the owners can get will be there to make the happen on the pitch and that is all.
Rafa made us a force in Europe as well as the prem up until his final year. For me, he would be the only person that could do that again at this present moment who would come in and manage us right now! However as Macca has pointed out, I don't see it happening unless the owners really struggle to get the right candidate!
I for one will back whoever comes in, I hope the owners give that individual the right time to get things right!
I don't agree with people slagging off the owners. They haven't got much right so far but this silly suggestion that they will not invest to get us great is nonsense! They need to get things right where it counts on the pitch and this will take time and money!
Macca/Ed's - what are your personal thoughts on the management/coaching that GSG are trying (we think) to put in place!
Thanks
Jon LFC
{Ed001's Note - you do make a good point about the manager maybe not needing to choose the players. In which case that would be one major reason for me not wanting Martinez no longer being an issue.}
I think that whole structure of Dein , bergenstein sound brilliant .
Interesting POV. kinda make me think about lots of things. if it does go the way u explain it, Martinez is not a bad idea. but with that said, we will need a very good DOF to be honest.
Kaizer
22 May 2012 11:05:59
Gotta say there is a LOT of talk about AVB but from my understanding he hasnt even been interviewed yet. In fact the only manager we know who has been intervirwed is martinez yet this has seems to have died down since of talks of other candidates. I reckon martinez will get hired not get much support fired in january and we will have to bring rafa in
22 May 2012 11:04:04
Anyone else get the feeling that if we do get Martinez its going to be like Hodgson all over again? What are your opinions ED'S, two completely different managers or the same??
BADGER {Ed001's Note - completely different. At least Martinez tries to play good football.}
Thanks ed01 for the reply, still seems a little bit worrying, but then again, we shouldn't judge someone until we see their performance.
BADGER {Ed001's Note - one of Martinez's main weaknesses, for me, was his inability to choose players who are right for the system he chooses to employ. He was buying players who play with their heads down, such as Moses, then trying to get them to play pass and move football, which requires players to play with their heads up. Taking player recruitment out of his hands could be a master stroke.}
22 May 2012 10:56:35
Right lets face it there will not be two new grounds built in this city fact why do most liverpool fans not want a ground share with Everton look at the Milan clubs and they dont even mix in the stands were as Efc and Lfc fans do its a dearby that sets examples for the rest of the world to follow with the banter and good spirit shown by both sets of supporters who in many cases are good mates a ground share would be a win win for both clubs each club would sill have there identity i just cant get my head around why this has not being pushed through i think the two clubs would save alot of money and time its a win win .ps Everton fan. {Ed001's Note - it doesn't work in Milan, both sets of fans hate sharing the stadium and both clubs have been looking to build their own stadiums for years.}
Because Everton will never fill the a stadium of the size that Liverpool want, and will struggle to pay their half of the maintenance. So if you want a shared stadium, either it will have to be a compromise on capacity, or Everton will have to resign themselves to eventually just been Liverpool's tennants.
KL
The fact you're an Everton fan makes me understand your argument a little better.
cozinoz
Not only that Ed but the pitch is always terrible because it's played on twice as often as most.
Kieran {Ed001's Note - good point, that is one of the main reasons both clubs hate it, it affects their style of play at home.}
So honestly when will ur new ground be built im not being smart when i say that but deep down you lfc fans know the topic of a shared stadium will come back up why has ur new ground not being built yet or anfield built on to or done up it may be the only way both clubs get a new ground these lfc fans that are against it are holding back there own club going forward i think its time we just agree and put the plans in place .Everton fan
22 May 2012 10:56:21
If our manager gets fired in say jan u think borrell might take over as interim manager? or you think they may look for a ft manager?
I wish Mr Negative would put a name to this comment. We haven't even appointed anyone yet and he's doom and gloom, good god with fans like these who need enemies
Why on earth are u speculating on speculations.
22 May 2012 10:55:36
Maybe you might post this one Ed!
{Ed001's Note - maybe if you weren't so childish and hadn't put that on the end, I would have posted it.....}
Now go stand in the corner!!
22 May 2012 10:55:34
Whoever the manager will be we need to make sure it is the right one if we have to fire someone in January or the summer we are going to be in a real mess. Which is why I think hiring someone like AVB or martinez is a huge risk dont get me wrong it could turn out to be a brilliant move but we need a long term manager again and if the owners dont get it right we may alienate certain targets who are currently available
22 May 2012 10:55:13
i see in todays mirror that luiz suarez has pledged his future to lfc i hope this is so i was not the biggest fan he had wonderful skill but he started to score more frequently and kept the skill . managers im not convinced by avb he never played the game as a pro i think that is essential .
i am worried that known managers keep on saying no i dont think this is due to hodge and kd coming and going i think its the decline since hicks and gillette i hope the owners new manager and old ones to get us all climbing the ladder rather than missing a couple of rungs in the ladder .
i am a coach at a lower league club my heart has been with liverpool since i was an ankle biter though i have nver lived on merseyside i grew up watching shanks and his teams and knew i wanted liverpool fc in my life i never was good enough as a player please get us perched on top again looking down at manchester clubs and london to thanks mal ..
22 May 2012 10:54:29
Give joe cole a chance
He had a chance. He was pants
cozinoz
22 May 2012 10:53:30
John Barnes saying a lot of intelligent things on the LFC tv website, but 3 things stood out to me.
As fans we must:
1) be patient
2) Support the club/manager/team whatever decision they make
3) put no stock in the negative media reports
He's a smart cookie.
Wish he was still 25 and he was on our left side of midfield too.
kez
Fully agree - its a great interview with JB which should be read by all posters on here. Certainly opened my eyes a bit as to how a football club is (or should be) run.
cozinoz
Who cares we have our 20M super winger Stewart Downing.
Bosco
22 May 2012 10:53:15
If FSG do secure a decent manager soon, I just hope there will still be time to 'overhaul' the existing team before August.
All the top players are already on the 'radars' of the top teams, I just hope LFC are not left to fight over the 'scraps'.
Testing time indeed, I hope FSG know what they are doing, because from my vantage point they seem to be 'very lost' indeed.
Don't worry mate Liverpool are a top club to and we probable have top players on are radar too .... Chin up
22 May 2012 10:12:42
Eds who do you think will be in charge next season I think Martinez would be a good appointment I also think he will give us some good attractive attacking football and will get some decent players to come to us given the cash
And do you think these players will leave us
Reina
Johnson
Adam
Downing
Suarez
Skirtle
Agger
And if these players do leave who could we possibly attract to replace them apart from adverage donkeys ?
The best smarty in the tube is back y.n.w.a {Ed001's Note - no idea right now.}
22 May 2012 09:16:09
EDs are we in the group stages in europa? keep hearing yes then no on it
cheers
Red Rout {Ed001's Note - I thought we just got advanced a few rounds by Chelsea winning the Champions League, but still had a qualifying round to negotiate. I could be wrong though, I haven't checked it out.}
22 May 2012 10:49:57
No decision has been taken yet on the managers position. Like most appointments, the board are undertaking a full interview process and the owners will have final say after they have held discussions with the prefered candidate. It is also seen as only one part of the jigsaw alongside the need to fill other posts to cover the role Commolli had. Getting the right managerial team together is seen as the key, and though the managers position is the one everyone wants to hear about and the one the media are constantly talking about a decision will not be rushed although the club are loking to move on everything as quickly as possible. I have this from friend who works with a law firm associated with the club. BigJanFan
22 May 2012 10:49:08
Its hard to see LFC securing a top 4 finish in the next few seasons. The clubs inability to secure a 'top calibre' manager and players will ultimately mean we will have to settle for 'lesser' candidates. The current team, only has one maybe two world class players, so unless more real quality is added, then its difficult to see any major improvment in performances. As has been discussed many times before, the players in the existing team have to be held equally responsible for the 'failures'.
What remains to be seen, is just how FSG respond to to these 'player failings', and if recent events are any indication, then many of the the existing squad need to go (just like KK and the other executives), because they are simply not good enough to represent the club.
"Simply demanding results, does not guarantee them'!..
22 May 2012 10:40:47
Could i just ask that those that can, and i will say please.
Read John Barnes' piece on LFCTV website.
(posted today)
Read it carefully, as this is how i would like to think the owners are going about this "new liverpool"
OK, he goes on about Barca, Messi and Martinez a lot, but whole ethos of this piece is absolutley bang on! PLEASE READ!!
Anyways, my shout for today is:
Laudrup for head coach ( played under Cruyff @ Barca)
Txiki for DOF ( followed on from Cruyff's philosophy)
Borrell to keep doing as he is ( Barca youth )
Dein for CEO ( move stadium plans forward, with announcement)
And, has anyone else noticed how leaner Joe Cole looks! good season under his belt, personally offer him wage cut if he wants to make a go, found it quite refreshing to read someone actually wanting to have a go for us :0)
Piddy.
Yeah, I noticed that Joe Cole had lost a few pounds too! Would be nice to see him given another chance of he's actually fit now.
22 May 2012 10:40:07
If man city are gonna start buying more players and letting some of there squad leave then I don't wan us buying there cast offs, of there not good enough for them then they shouldn't be good enough for us. They won the league and so have set the standard, let's match it and not nearly match it.
It dosent quite work like that though, Adam Johnson is quality, just because he isnt getting a look in at City doesn't mean he isnt worth buying. It works the othre way round aswell, there has been plenty of good players that have moved and failed. Downing at this present time is case and point, He was player of the year at Villa and for us we wouldn't of mist him if he didnt play all year.
Sorry just realised spelt missed 'mist', lol
22 May 2012 10:34:36
Hi Ed - Got this off the BBC Sport website:
'A Liverpool supporters association has written to Fenway Sports Group calling on the owners to provide "clear leadership and direction" at what they feel is a time of worry for supporters'
Do you know which LFC Supports Association it refers to by any chance?
The Goatherder
JFT96 {Ed001's Note - no sorry, I don't.}
SOS it's been on koptalk for 2 days
Spirit of Shankly. Singred
It was Spirit of Shankly...
Richards
Spirit of Shankly I believe
And I completely disagree with them for sending this. We all wanted a return to the days when the club does it's business privately, and does it right. FSG are taking their time to appoint who they feel is right, and because we haven't heard a definitive leak yet, people like SOS are panicking. There was no need.
Spirit of shankley
Its Spirit of Shankly
Its SOS mate
Kop
It was the Spirit of Shankly group, Goatherder mate.
The Real KB
According to espn.com, the fan group is Spirit of Shankly.
JB
Spirit of shankly i believe
Was it spirit of shankley by ay chance?
22 May 2012 10:30:59
HEY LFC FANS....
i really dont know what the hell is going on with liverpool since rafa was out...... even when we had those 2 imbeciles running our club...liverpool everywhere seemed to be a force...or was seen as a top club...or a great project or squad to join..and it was slowly building a good team with each season adding 1 or 2.
but now..everyone like the media...players...pundits...the news...seem to talk about liverpool like average club. i heard pundits saying if we wanted martinez or rogers..why didnt we look at lambert!! to me reading that gets on my nerves...THIS IS LFC for godsake...what the hell does lambert know!
and the fact that avb is taking his time when lfc comes knocking also annoys me...when he jumps at the chance when offered a job at chelsea.....(yes i know he was there before)
i know i need to have patience...
but everything worries me....because nobody knows where liverpool are going....the club doesnt talk to the fans..which only alienates them....there seems to be no structure again
i mean guys ...would u go to liverpool at the moment?
i wouldnt...id rather go to spurs...or arsenal..and when u look at things in general..........its the same scenario when torres and mascherano left.............. they saw lfc with no manager nothing happening...no top players on the cards joining....so they abandoned ship in january...and i for one dont blame them.
the way things are at the moment..................we r going in the direction of juventus ....a top top club...a european force..great history..but just disappeared..
and only now after many many many yrs....are juventus back.
red lobster
Red lobster i think you should practice singing blue moon. You are a fair weather fan. We don`t need you and to the other fans who can`t wait FSG know what they are doing. i would rather wait for a good manager then jump in and get a bad one. I have every faith in FSG and so should you.
Andy Kophead.
Bang on!
Dav001
22 May 2012 10:18:54
The main reason we are considering someone like Martinez or Rodgers are in my opinion is their ability to work on a low budget & to get the best out of players & young players coming through the reserves.
High profile managers the likes of AVB or Capello would rather decide not to take it becaz in the interview I believe they would be asked whether they can work with a low cost budget or not. These gaffers would like to bring high profile players which FSG might not be willing to do. Thus at the end a young upcoming low profile manager would be appointed. I really don't think FSG has the spending power as we dreamed off. The money we spent over last year or so was mainly from Torres sales & doubt they have the willingness to spend that much cash again.
FSG, if you don't have the money or are not willing to spend you should not have bought the club in the first place. If you want Glory in today's world you have to buy it its not earned or granted for those who work passionately.
And to King Kenny, you deserve the sack and thank you for buying such great players. SULK
I just hope I am some rich guy so I could buy the club if not at least grant them some money every season to spend on players.
Bosco
Are you 5
Because your talking like my Boy when he wants something but can't have it!!
Grow up
100 million is not a low budget, other managers in the prem would kill to have what kenny just spent, the ned manager will be backed aswell
22 May 2012 10:14:25
Why Why Why are FSG even thinking of handing martinez the liverpool job ? Whats he done? whats he won ? OK hes young and his wigan team play attacking footy but his wigan team also lost 8 yes 8 games on the bounce this season ! IS this really the callibar of manager we now are connected with . Have FSG got a clue ? Sack the great king kenny and replace him with a nobody who just about guided his team away from relegation this season ! I dont know about all of you but i for one think FSG have their heads up their *&$ . Another thing is the stadium and lack there of ? We Have been force fed empty promises year after year and now managerless , leader less , no CEO No Director of football we are on the brink of handing the reins of our ONCE mighty club into the hands of an inept nobody .Im 35 years old iv followed liverpool since i knew what a football was and have never felt so disillusioned with the club as i do now .I am an optamist but really cant see us moving forward unless a top calibar manager gets the job .
Pleas eds can you post this as i really am at a loss
greenbloodredsoul
I understand that you have opinions about the owners and Kenny, and respect your right to voice your displeasure. I also hope you respect that I have an opinion and also wish to voice my displeasure: there are 2 mega-rich clubs down the M4 that would suit you more. Take your pick. Singred
Singred
22 May 2012 10:08:15
Very good article on Click Liverpool, about 'Scattergun Manager'. Written by Richard Buxton it defines the dire state of affairs at the club.
Keep reading the press. You will learn a lot. Not.
22 May 2012 10:01:11
I wont bother scrolling down, i assume there have been hundreds of people asking about Falcoa coming or Torres returning. Seems to me though that surely Falcoa will be part of a deal that takes Torres back to Atletico, thats really the only genuine possibilty of a summer move for those two.
22 May 2012 09:59:25
for all you out there who are so called in the know....please don't post your crap,unless how ever you know john henrys jockstrap ... if you do feel free to pass on info the jockstrap has to offer....dave d
22 May 2012 09:55:06
The owners want results but are not going to toss their money around. These owners are clear cut, they are the same way with The Red Soxs. they will not be dishing out 40 million for one player. Dont bring up Carroll because his 35 million price tagg was only cause torres left for 50 million. so unless we sell a total of 70 million people should realize that the owners will be looking for the best cost and quality option. Btw Glen leaving doesn't look likely to me.
22 May 2012 09:52:28
I don't see much support for Roberto Martinez on here, but I think this guy is quality and is exactly what we need to turn our fortunes around, He laid the foundations for Swansea and turned Wigan into one of the best teams in the Premier League 2nd half of the season, I honestly believe this guy is a real talent! Who had heard of AVB before Porto? it's time for Martinez to make his name with Liverpool! Give him a 4/5 year plan and lets all sit and be patient, I know it's difficult but at least we will play attractive football for the next few seasons instead of the Sunday League style we have been playing. Please!! lets hope we get Roberto Martinez and he can bring Victor Moses with him too!
22 May 2012 09:51:01
Suarez is better than Falcao.
Donald Duck is beteer than Daffy Duck too..........
In his dreams
22 May 2012 09:43:23
Macca,
How do you think the players would react to getting a younger inexperienced manager in, like Martinez?
Do you think players like Gerrard and Suarez would want to play for him?
Paul
Suarez has already said that he likes the way Roberto Martinez manages..
He praised him for his work at Swansea and Wigan
22 May 2012 09:06:12
I think Rafa returning would be a mistake, we tried this with Kenny and for a period it worke but the expectation from us the fans was much greater due to his past success with LFC - this would be the same with Rafa of he didn't achieve success instantly people would be calling for his head and I dont think 5 managers in a few years is where LFC wants to be.
We need a young manager with new ideas, good tactical awareness therefore my choice would be AVB. At Chelski he was trying to change the the team, wrongly or rightly that was his brief - all RD had done had reverted to type with Chelski!
AVB deserves a chance to implement his style and tactics think Liverpool where we are now are a perfect fit.
Hope FSG see this.
YNWA jns
AVB is poison
The theory that everyone from Liverpool's past will not work is absolute rubbish. Clubs like Barca, Bayern, Juve usually look to the past as their histories are so storied. Big clubs go to the past for inspiration.
Well di matteo won the champions league. avb was sacked because he wouldn't change his style..........and people say rafa is stubborn!
redkenyan
The Chelski players won the CL, RD just whimpered to their egos, especially the older players... hence Torres not starting!
22 May 2012 09:01:42
I've been reviewing the past winning managers of the top tier of the England. Of the total winning managers.
50 of them are British
and 4 of them are foreign.
Of the total managers to win the the top tier. Yep thats right 100% of them are British.
That's one reason I think Rodgers would be great.
If we do go foreign then I hope its a former player of some kind.
Maybe a coach from the team or a older player manager?
I just want Liverpool to be in the hands of someone that cares if we go downhill.
GOD
How many were Scottish, Irish, Welsh.
Wenger?
What do your stats mean? I don't understand...
Roberto Mancini ?Arsene Wenger? Jose Mourinho?...weren't they foreign, or have I just misunderstood what you mean?
KJS
Before the premiership there were very few foreign managers, since then 4 out of 6 of the managers to win it were foreign.
napoleon.
Not sure what you are on about ..
The premiership era is completely different from anything before it, and there are only 5 managers that won it, none are English;2 are Scots and 3 are European. by that stat alone blows your 100% British theory.
Before the PL , the were very few foreign managers ,only a handful travelled to England to work in football management, so its unrealistic to base any stats like these on anything before 1990.
Roy
We've only had foreign managers for less than 20 years and one or two of them have won a lot of trophies. Your stats don't make sense to call for a British manager. We just need a good manager regardless of nationality.
cozinoz
"Of the total managers to win the the top tier. Yep thats right 100% of them are British."
Either I've misunderstood you or your research is a bit, erm.... wrong! How on earth do you explain Mourinho, Wenger, Ancelotti and Mancini then? Bizarre post!
Red G
Its 98 % not 100
I don't understand this post , what about Wenger , Ancelotti and Mourinho ?
1977
22 May 2012 09:00:45
Why is everyone saying on here Suarez wants to leave? He came out in the Echo saying if the rumours were true he'd n
Be playing for 20 teams , I know Torres said hed never leave but let's look at it this way, what the club has done for Suarez he certainly shouldn't be looking to jump ship .
Pete YNWA
Don't know about Suarez, I want to leave at the moment following this fiasco...
Dav001
You said it yourself really. Torres denied he wanted to leave, but when push came to shove he left. I'm sorry but there's no point burying our heads in the sand anymore. If FSG receive a bid that meets their valuation of Suarez they will sell him.
22 May 2012 08:59:06
Hi Eds & Macca,
Recent events have brought several thoughts to the forefront of my (and I imagine many other supporters') mind.
Do we have no interest in managers like Radomir Antić or Louis van Gaal?
If it is the case that we have no interest, is that primarily due to age?
Is it possible that FSG's over-obsession with youth in ALL areas will cost us several years in development and might have a serious negative impact if they cannot secure a new stadium deal?
My current view on FSG is that they simply do NOT understand football. As professional as they have been in American sports they are showing dreadful naivety when it comes to our particular 'baby'. To sack KD without any strategy in place is simply negligent and idiotic as I'm sure Kenny would have happily delayed an announcement of him leaving the club (which he adores) until they had a sensible forward moving management option. We can be sure of this because even in the midst of what must of been an awful time Kenny was fast to state that we (LFC supporters) should support his successor.
What we currently have is a media 'free-for-all' that has been caused by FSG and is as stupid as the Suarez T-Shirt affair to say the least. In media terms it feels like FSG have not taken us once step backwards...they have actually taken us several leaps backwards.
Thanks for putting up with my questions and rant. {Ed001's Note - as far as I am aware, neither of those are in the running, though it is hard to know why.}
Its possible that the owners did not want to sack Kenny and last Tuesday when Kenny was meeting the board something happened or something was said to cause the sacking, we all know Dalglish does n't hold back and says it as its, so its possible an argument developed during that meeting which upset Kenny/Board and decided to part ways , so the board was not prepared for it and hence no replacement was even considered.
I have to admit they are not do this search for replacement in a proper way and way too public for my liking.
Roy
Thanks Roy...yes, I thought of this possible scenario as well (perhaps they said Suarez has to be moved on and I can see Kenny reacting to that rather badly...and a consequent situation occurring) but it is their media management of everything since the incident that has me bemused...it is a straight contradiction in terms given that the Suarez situation was even raised at the Standard Chartered AGM...and then the website/twitter faux pas was tastelessly priceless. I just don't get it.
22 May 2012 08:58:19
Dear ed's and fans
Love the site, only real site worth reading these days, specially in Denmark where the sportspress is worse tha SKY.
I was very worried(everyone is now I know) when Dalghlish was apointed, 10 years is a long time being away, and his presshandling has been bad. I know he's a fan and will never slate his players(he bought them so....) but loosing 13 games is not bad luck.
I believe FSG should not listen to much to the fans, we're in it with to many feelings. They need to hide Dein og consult with him. Make the next manager a long produckt and ship out all players who doesn't want to be in it for the long run.
Martinez - bet hes good, you dont keep Wigan up with their program in the last 10 games. And we will have to rely on others fault more next year.
AVB - have great ideas, but in defence he needs help.
Rafa - knows his way round, excelent tactiks only blunded very feew games(not 13 a season).
But end of the story, we have to and will support the manager appointed, nothing else is not "the liverpool way"
Give Sterling a crack, like Flano and Suso. Then we prob. only need 3 great players.
Martinez could mabye pursuade a few talents from Spain, og AVB from Portugal?
It's easy supprting a club that wins it all, the real fans are here when we loose too!
Support the new manager it's the Liverpool way " Yet you slag Dalglish off in your post about games lost " were was your support for Kenny there then? And you bet Martinez is good, the way he kept Wigan up with there schedule in the last 10 games, maybe if he was any good they wouldn't have been in that situation in the first place.....Swansea weren't Norwich weren't and they have spent the same if not less! So " THINK WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BEFORE YOU POST "
Waro
Well in lad
YNWA
22 May 2012 08:56:26
How about Gary McAllister for manager?
Best post im a while
22 May 2012 08:48:36
I have been a fan of Hazard since the last 12-18 months and if fourth club is LFC it will be great news for us and are he is just the player we need!
YWNA
He is a money grabbing whore. If the club wants someone who can play a similar position n is a future superstar, look no further than Iker Muniain.
Indian Buzzer
Not sure on his commitment, he's been whoring himself around other clubs
22 May 2012 08:40:51
its time to move on from kenny and rafa.we need a young manager who can build a team playing good football. it will take time but we cant compete with city and chelsea financially.its the only way forward for us.so be it martinez or rodgers lets all get behind them and give it a go!
No thanks
22 May 2012 08:39:11
Please Mr Henry not Martinez.
Suarez out. Martinez in.
There will be a 'Crisis at Christmas' when we are in the relegation zone.
22 May 2012 08:15:23
Macca is a lot like father xmas to kids.at first u want proof he exists, then he brings u some present.. great!
This goes on... then u reach the teen years. U still kind of believe but u no longer appreciate the presents unless u want what you're getting.
Then u stop believing...
Before u reach another stage. u realise whomever he is he's putting his neck.out every time he posts! Anything we get we should be grateful and remember this!
Things change in football guys, cut him some slack he's giving us whatever he can!
Well said pal, lol.been visiting this site for over two years, and I too feel this represents most of the regulars,views on Macca. When u have an addiction to this site as I do, u can't help noticing that although Macca ain't always right, he is correct alot more than anyone else on this site, eds included. If it wasn't for the drip feeding of Macca's snippets of info over the two years this website wouldn't be as good, hence why ed 1 decided to let him have his own rumours page, he keeps us lfc fans at least feeling informed and feeling somehow in the know. Even if it sometimes turns out not to be incorrect. So keep it flowing Macca because I,and I'am sure a lot of others are glad u do LFC.. Kopknight
22 May 2012 08:08:01
the thing that gets me angry is that these managers have said no to the position.. but has liverpool even considered or contacted them in the first place. sure they will answer a journos question if askeed then its all over the papers.. and a manager currently in a job would never say they would like the job would they?
thats me 2 cents worth anyway.
doesnt matter who we get as long as its someone who is willing to bleed for the club.
aussiepool tristan
eds.. do u have a candidate in mind u would like to see come in.. alive or dead, male or female?
id take angelina jolie... maybe she could take avbs approach on the sidelines crouching down haha (ive thought too much about this) {Ed001's Note - Bielsa would be my first choice, with Borrell being the realistic choice.}
Ed,
Is there any kind of meritocracy at Liverpool these days ?
It used to be that quality people had a job to do, got on with it, and when someone above them finished, the next person in line slotted in.
I know that's a bit of a simplistic statement, but it was broadly how things were.
It seems to me to be a very sound principle though. Get and retain quality, reward it.
If a new DoF / Manager comes in, does that mean almost the entire backroom staff are changed again !?
What gets me these days, LFC used to represent a way of things.
I know times change, but how are those principles still not relevant ?
The Real KB {Ed001's Note - I am with you, it may seem old fashioned, but it works.}
Ed1 and every liverpool fan should see barnes interview its class and indirectly why kenny was not right person to take us foward
Ed001, do you not think that Bielsa's lack of English would be something to steer clear of? I've read that his training mentality is to often take players aside and speak to them (obviously all managers do this, but he takes it to a new level). Surely he wouldn't be able to exercise the techniques that have brought him his success without being able to speak English? Of course he could have a translator, but would that have the same effect? Sadly I doubt we'll get him anyway. {Ed001's Note - I do think, short term, it could be a hindrance, but I am sure it would be possible to overcome.}
22 May 2012 08:08:44
Despite what people think of AVBs record at Chelsea, he IS a good manager. If Di Matteo didn't get the results he has, albeit with a shocking style of football, then the contrast between the two wouldn't be so great. AVB did not suit Chelsea, and likewise, Chelsea did not suit AVB. Given a bit of time, with a younger squad than Chelsea have, he'd prove the entire world wrong. The players at Chelsea that didn't like him, were players that have been led to believe they are bigger than their club, these problems would not exist at LFC.
He's not my first choice, but he's a very good manager, tactically brilliant, but needs more experience with big egos
Red7.
Maybe experienced D o f could help him then?
Chlsea was no 5 at ABV's time and very near to no 4.
He could not adapt. Simple.
redkenyan
He is not going to be given time, that is the issue.Daglish was given a season to get a top 4 slot and he failex. Ed002 has said all season the objective is top 4, Ayre has come out and said that even winning the Fa cup as well would not have saved Kennys job.This can not be a job for Avb to gain experience or any other manager for that reason. Personally i think it is quite unlikely that any manager can get Liverpool top 4 in their first season and more to the point i think Henrys statement was idiotic and shows his lack of knowledge of football and more importantly the the Premier League.
The Irish Rover
AVB went the whole season unbeaten at Porto. Wenger went the whole season unbeaten at Arsenal and has won nothing since? So don't get too carried away with AVB record at Porto?
kidmillions
I heard lpool are getting ken dodd as manger,so they dont av too change the initials on kennys tracksuit
He wasn't given a chance, if Liverpool had been looking at him before he went to Chelsea then I can't imagine one supporter not excited about it after his work in Porto.
The problem I believe was Chelsea's, he had already worked there in a lesser capacity so the players couldn't manage his greater authority. And Abramovich is probably too pally with is players and sides with them a lot.
It would probably be the same in any business if someone was promoted, all sorts of politics are involved. Especially since he was younger than some of the players, if I had a young upstart managing me at work I'd find it hard to adjust.
22 May 2012 08:06:12
FSG wants us too buy young players,they should be concentrating more on getting more scouts in.
at porto avb at porto found good young players and so did de boer at ajax.
i am not saying they are no good for us,but the plan these guys seem to have needs to start at the bottem.
ajax scouted erikson and fisher at the ago of 12 and 13 and brought them too holland when they were 16.they build up a relationship with both parents and although bigger clubs come for them they still ended up at ajax.
we should be doing the same.
So have we
22 May 2012 08:02:36
do u think our new manager and dof will be announced together?
22 May 2012 08:00:10
Liverpool will not announce any manger this week as they are still drawing up there shortlist. They are hoping to have a shortlist of 5 candidates next week.
So don't expect any news yet. YNWA
Scoobyrob
With all the job rejections in the media i cant imagine the list will have 5 names on it!
Steve
Why would it take 2 weeks to come up with a 5 man 'shortlist'?! Surely the shortlist was drawn up the day after Kenny left, and they have been wittling it down, no?
Red G
22 May 2012 08:00:00
Glenn Hoddle
Excellent coach tactician and a name in Europe would be a great fit
Well that's cheered me up this morning
PistolPete
We would have to have done something bad in a previous life to hire him.
Scouse_Pride
A consensus of opinion at last. Lol.
The Real KB
22 May 2012 07:58:36
Hi Eds.
Have two questions
1) Man city want Van persie and Eden Hazard..How does any team compete with them in the future? When does the fair play rule apply from?
2) If they get hazard do you see them lettind adam johnson go?
City have already found a loophole in the fair play rules, hence the major sponsor of Etihad, which is owned by the same people that own the club, so expect to see the amount of money they get from "sponsors" going up by a few thousand percent over the next few years.
If I was adam Johnson I would have handed in a transfer request long ago, I hope they do buy hazard if only to make Johnson want to leave....it's a shame though...not long ago Adam Johnson would seem a downgrade in terms of purchases, now it seems he would walk into our team
Hazard has said hes going to united. If city dont get him or another talented winger I dont see them letting johnson go.
1st of all hazard is a big fish in a small pond, there are no guarantees he will succeed at city, will he even start ahead of nasri/silva? Also he has a serious attitude.
As for RVP this was a 1 season wonder, he will be back to his forever injured 8 goal a season man in no time.....
If city were buying messi/ronaldo then I would call it unfair lol
22 May 2012 07:58:32
Right it looks to me to be between
Martinez and AVB the question is who you
Would want AVB would attract bigger names round Europe
But lacks media tact and people skills.
While may not attract big names but is liked by the media has great people skills and knows the prem.
Tough one but I would prefer Martinez, AVB just gets on my nerves squat on the touch line in an designer suit.
Any manager comming in want make any difference our owners are not ready to pay big wages to big names so please forget about it and the philosophy is to buy younger players who will not demand big wages.thats why a lot of managers are not interested so we fans have to be realistic they are good owners but not what we are expecting (falcao,cavani,neymar,soldado)
AVB is the man in the mac, a strange dude indeed? Also ex Chelsea? NO!!
Martinez all day long for me
kidmillions
Why does it matter whether or shaun custis likes our manager? who cares what the media think. just a bunch of fat blokes.
Kidmillion mate do you honestly think fsg are right people to take us foward coz after looking the managers they want realy worries me and SOS have already started doing their job
I'm just like everybody else and living in more in hope than conviction that fsg get it right.
kidmillions
22 May 2012 07:58:03
Rafa to be annouinced Friday
Evo YNWA
I hope so!!
22 May 2012 07:55:39
Does anybody have a general idea(Macca, Eds or posters) when an announcement will be made regarding the new manager. They've obviously made up their mind on their targets. But i'd like to know when we'll hear the news.
Red7.
It will all be done and dusted before next season starts.
22 May 2012 07:44:21
I know it's not gonna happen. But if suarez were to leave and we replaced him with falcao I would over the moon. He would've been top goal scorer in the league last season with all the chances we created.
Sir eggbut nobacon
With all the chances Suarez created?
I think you missed out a verb between - I would and - over the moon, was it ejaculate?
We keep Suarez no matter what!
Sir baconbut noegg.
22 May 2012 07:21:43
Is Paul the octopus still alive? I'd love to show him photos of AVB, Martinez and Rafa, let him pick one and get it over with {Ed023's Note - A Lama corrected right last week in the Champions League Final. He's the new predicting animal lol}
Is the Lama available for the managers job? {Ed023's Note - Wants Champions League lol}
Nah paul the octopus died last year
Paul would've picked us every match. If you watch all his picks, he took the national flag with yellow and red, and with Spain v Germany, he just took the more colour-rich option. So if we showed him a yellow liverbird on red background, we'd win every match. But he deeaaaadd... {Ed001's Note - except that he couldn't see the flags....}
We'll have to settle for an Alpaca instead, we can't compete now the Llama's worth has gone up.
22 May 2012 07:10:55
Pretty reliable source = I'm making this up or my mate told me!
22 May 2012 07:08:27
Love all the varying rumours...with most claiming to know a 'decent' source and yet Capello, AVB and Martinez will all be announced by the end of the week. Haha. I don't have a source, I just follow on here and twitter mostly and don't believe anything whole heartedly until it happens. I do appreciate you sharing what you know. I think too many people are being unrealistic and too impatient. I think FSG made a bold decision in sacking KK (not that I fully agree with it despite poor league form), and I am fairly excited about what is to come and whoever comes in will get my support but I don't think we can write anybody off until they have been given a chance. You never know how that person would motivate the players we have, attract possible new talent! Hopefully the start of a new more positive Liverpool!
Mike
22 May 2012 06:59:12
I'll cop it for this, but i'd be very happy with Brendan Rodgers.
But, on one condition. He's allowed time to build on the LFC philosophy in his own way.
The only way i've tried to justify the KK sacking is that he was a little too old, and possibly wouldn't have been in the job long enough to build... (i'm not sure, i was away while the story broke and only heard today).
If this is the case, then i hope A younger manager would not be expected to achieve instant success, otherwise we become Chelsea...
But all in all i am a massive fan of the way Swansea play football, and whether you attribute that to Martinez or Rodgers, i have to say it's Rodgers that has taken it to the next level. I can only imagine what that style of play would look like with a stronger group of players... would be VERY EXCITING!
Red7.
You will see a very interesting article on gulliem balague website about brenden rodgers mate its worth a read it impressed me about the man.
gee man
Your right, as a Liverpool slash Swansea supporter if that's allowed? Being from Swansea and followed them for yrs Martinez took them as far as he could in the championship, Rodgers came in and guided them to the prem and got them play tidy football, Rodgers would be the better choice but who knows
The doctor
22 May 2012 06:50:57
GK: Reina. (Craig Gordon(free). Gulacsi
RB: Johnson. Kelly
CB: Skrtel. Agger. Coates. Carragher. Wisdom
LB: Enrique. Robinson
RM: (Chung-Yong Lee(8m). (Matt Phillips(5m)
CM: Lucas. Gerrard. Henderson. (Mohamed Diame(free). Shelvey
LM: Downing. Bellamy. Sterling
CF: Suarez. Carroll. (Luuk de Jong(13m)
Only de jong out of them three
10th next season then
Just a little bit of ambition would be nice
Cant see that team improving our league position much
22 May 2012 06:42:21
If the odds on Martinez are lengthening, I think there may be money to be made there.
If it is true, as Ayre says, the DOF position is basically going to split into a panel of three, which includes Pep Segura, then I am not the least bit surprised the likes of Rafa, Capello and Van Gaal have not been approached. They are simply the wrong people for such a set-up.
In that vein, I believe AVB is also wrong. He appears to be quite full of himself, and not the personality to work in that set-up.
In short, I am inclined to believe the BBC - that Martinez is the preferred choice of the club. Of all the myriad names proposed, he has the personality to fit the structure being proposed. His win/loss record at Wigan means nothing, since he managed with little or no net outlay on players (one figure I read was negative 4.7 million pounds net outlay on players during his tenure) in the richest league in the world.
If he is appointed, I for one will give him my full support. His origin (a "small" club) means nothing. Check out where the managers of the new champions of Italy, Germany and France came from (I'll tell you - 2nd div, 2nd div, national under-21's).
The question is: will the Kenny or Rafa brigades give him a chance?
As everyone on here knows Im firmly one of the kenny brigade and would also like Rafa as his replacement.
No matter who replaces Kenny he will get my total 100% support, but they must be given time to develop a system and approach to football. This is not a short term problem we have here, and the keyboard warriors will be out in force if we dont start winning INSTANTLY.
Lets show the world that we are REAL supporters and get behind the team we love , through thick and thin.
It pains me to say it but you have to give it to the everton supporters....... they are real die hard supporters and still support through thick and thin....even though we call them the bitters !
Tel 1949
Roberto Martinez has the makings of a very good "frontman"....He would be very popular with the fans and would be a breath of fresh-air with the media.
He would need, though, a very good support-team around him....some fans will be tempted to suggest Rafa as DoF but, in my opinion this would be a massive mistake given Rafa's ego. Maybe Rodolfo Borell but my choice would be the Tikki bloke from Barca.
Good post. Should have signed it mate.
For me personally, I am a massive fan of the 3 at the back formation & having seen it work so effectively under Martinez, I am inclined to like him even more..
...............Reina................
.....Kelly....Skrtel....Agger...
Johnson.Gerrard.Lucas.Enrique
....Bellamy..Carroll..Suarez....
Stone YNWA.
22 May 2012 06:27:48
Manager: AVB
Falcoa
Carroll
Suarez - Hulk
Downing - Sterling
Honda - Gerrard
Shelvey - Henderson
Lucas
Diame
Enrique - Agger - Skrtel - Johnson
Robinson - Coates - Carragher - Kelly
Reina
Gulacsi
What have you been smoking!
U can dream mate but we ain't got a hundred million to spend
That would be a mega team mate. Maybe one or two more though.
LTP
22 May 2012 05:20:34
can someone pls confirm that we have gone straight into the group stages for nxt year's europa league? thanks {Ed023's Note - Yes we are in the group stages}
No..liverpool enter the third qualifying round..newcastle in the play offs and tottenham in the group stage..
Rudi
Are you sure ed - my understanding is we only qualify as Carling Cup winners which means we go into 3rd qualifying round - beginning 2nd August. There is no entry into group stages as runners-up in FA Cup, The spuds go in as 4th in League.
Chelsea won the champions league so qualify for that now we take the place of the fa cup winner/runner up
22 May 2012 04:30:24
Breaking News @ Glen Hoddle been approched by FSG for interview.
That's probably not true but he would be an excellent choice.
22 May 2012 04:21:20
All what Im hearing that AVB will be our next manger. In my opinion its a good move cz now hes tring to show the world what he is capable of after a bad period in chelsea so hope my club will shine again Ynwa !
22 May 2012 04:10:17
Eds do u think the whole Martinez rumours are to please Liverpool supporters that whoever they get eventually will be a big sigh of relief for us. Make him the favourite and get someone better. {Ed023's Note - No}
I like Martinez and feel he would be better than quite a lot of the managers being named.
Red7.
I want martinez I Liverpool fan..
Martinez would fit in with the Spanish guys in the youth set up, he would say yes to low pay, he brings in unkown cheap decent foreign players , fsg have no money to add to what lfc bring in? , he handles interviews well , comes over as a nice guy , if he gets the job (i do not want him) we have to get on his side straight away , did any one think kevin keegan would be such a big star , people have to start some where . tag
22 May 2012 03:35:56
LFC are a bit like the ugly girl or guy nobody wants to date, or even be seen with.
So short of plastic surgery, we will all just have to wait till that ugliness turns to beauty!.
Eye of the beholder!.
Bit of tartin' up can do wonders.
New strip may help matters
I think you typed LFC by mistake instead of Wayne Rooney.
22 May 2012 03:32:56
Its hard to see LFC securing a 'top level' manager, but will have to settle for a 2nd or 3rd tier prospect, this sadly will be the case for the new players we hope to attract.
So its going to be a long hard road at LFC over the next few years, as the club tries to 'reinvent and indeed rebrand itself'.
No doubt this will test the patience of many.
Let's see then!.
22 May 2012 03:26:17
Does anyone else have a sneaking suspicion that the next Liverpool manager could be someone totally un-expected and under the radar?
Hope so, i like surprises, and more than that, i like it when the unknown and initially frightening situation turns out well.
Wouldn't be unexpected if we had that sneaking suspicion mate... But you never know, it might surprise most fans
Yep, Mr Smokey Smokesceen again...
22 May 2012 02:33:57
New DOF will be a close fiend of Laudrup who has been Advising the owners for a long time. Still sticking by AVB to be coach, FSG want someone that is not a control freak(i.e Rafa) also someone that is more of a coach than a manager, and will allow the DOF to do his job. Transfer wise the likes of Ramirez and Elm were drafted by Laudrup so I'm sure he will have some imput in dealings along with the DOF. Sounds strange a man that is not employeed by the club basically doing scouting and being a DOF but i have heard this is the case.
RedAlarm
22 May 2012 02:31:33
How many of the candidates that are on our managerial list would be on the list of say - city, united, arsenal, Chelsea, bayern, barca, real?
My point is that for the past 20 years this club has suffered from its own stupidity at boardroom level time and time again! Abramovich or the sheiks at city wudn even piss on Martinez, lambert, Rodgers etc if they were on fire!
Peter
Why would anybody have thought that Abramovich or the sheiks at city would want to piss on Martinez, lambert, Rodgers? What a rediculous post!
MR EM
So Mancini and co were born as good as they are not were they? and Mancinis first ever coaching role was at City was it?
We always have this debate over players at smaller clubs. A clubs ultimate goal is not to buy a manager/player that costs a fortune because they've been developed well by smaller clubs. A clubs ultimate goal is to find the talent, build on it and make these people the best in their field.
Or would you rather another club, let's say Juve for arguments sake, to buy Martinez, win the Serie A, then a year later you're on here saying "let's get Martinez, he's managed a big club".
If somebody is good enough for a job, they're good enough and that is all that matters, and there will always be players and managers that are better than most fans will ever realise.
People who say a manager is no good because their club, no matter how shallow the quality within the squad, didn't win the league are quite simply idiots.
Red7.
The managers of the new French, German & Italian champions were all "2nd tier" before they took up their posts. The skill is in spotting the young managerial talent before they are big names - or you just pay millions if you are Citeh etc. We're lucky to be still solvent. Get real!
Exactly non inspire,surely we are better than a lot named on lists
We're not a top tier club for the time being get over it
Thank God we're not Chelski or Citeh then huh!!
Kez
22 May 2012 02:28:48
I know there was a huge call for KK to go by some fans as well as others in the game,but surely if F.S.G didnt think he was the man to take us that bit further i,d of thought they would of had the man to do that lined up.
So im confused cause the people who are mainly being asked seem to be unproven,are we going to jump from the frying pan into the fire?.
If they dont have someone proven and special what was the point in fireing KK.
,after all he has a hell of a job to do and it dosn,t look like the owners or fans have patiance.
So my thought is they have to go for someone big eather as manager/coach or as a d.o.f, any thoughts eds ? fellow fans?
martin p
Bang on Completley agree why fire KK to hire someone whos going to need patience and time? The only reason it makes sense to fire KK is to hire a world class manager given the fact there are so few willing to join has to be rafa surely? 2 champions league trophies, Title at Valencia (which i think is a magnificent achievement which many overlook) and club points record at liver Surprised why he has so many haters
22 May 2012 02:19:53
Macca,
One thing about what you say over Rodgers.
Surely if the owners want champions league football they'll want someone with the knowledge and ability to keep us there in the competition challenging ?
Do you really believe Rodgers can do that ? I personally don't myself but i'd like to hear your opinion.
Cheers
JP
22 May 2012 02:19:47
I definatly miss rafa. imagine what he could do with the stable measured backing we have now.
what do you personally know regarding rafa, have they contacted him at all? he really would be perfect if they let him do his thing. i always thought most of his signings were good especially the big money ones. many thanks hagi
Sorry mate, but "stable backing" is yet to be determined. What we're seeing now could pan out 1 of 2 ways, it'll either be a one off move in order to build a strong future, or it'll be the first in a long succession of hiring and firing managers and never quite getting anywhere. It's too early to determine just what kind of owners we have. So far i'm happy, but this latest move has me worried. We've all seen what big american businessmen can do to great things. Not only in football but in every aspect of life, i hope they don't only see the bottom line of this business and b**tardise the club beyond all recognition in pursuit of that bottom line figure. It's happened with countless companies around the world...
This is not in any way aimed at american posters on here, only at the greed and soulless money-grabbing of massive corporations around the world, of which american companies are the major front runner. I'd hate to see our club treated this way.
22 May 2012 02:09:17
What about Walter Mazzarri? Was he ever considered?
HK
22 May 2012 01:59:45
Just heard on the radio that Martinez has flown to Boston for further talks
with Fenway , though they added that AVB may also have further talks.
JR
22 May 2012 01:54:32
Would any of the eds be concearned if michael laudrup was appointed as manager, seems to have a bit of history with his employers (rightly or wrongly) one can only summise on the mans approach to management, but when up against it he seems to just walk from clubs , obviously most reports are.tenuous so I would appreciate someone elses opinion
Jft96
Jayolfc
22 May 2012 01:53:30
well from all this it seems like Suarez is leaving.
But for 30m wether euros or pounds is abit low.
Would want 35/40m min. Hes 1 of the best players in the world Top 10.
BUT if a swap deal is involved it might be okay
No NOT Krasic he is getting old PAST his best.
Elia defo NO okay havent really seen him play But he wasnt good enough at Hamburg and now carnt get in to the Juve team.
Dont know many Juve players but a talented UNDER 26/25 year old. Plus £30m
Or just a straight £35/40m
F5
If he was to go there and a swap plus cash was an option I would want Vidal but we wouldn't get him.
Square tomato
He's in the top 20 not the top 10 - I can think of 15 better players, but still our best player
22 May 2012 01:45:48
Hi Ed, in your opinion, do you think a DoF should be brought in before a manager? Personnally I think a DoF should come first, and then help oversee the interview process and the choosing of the manager. Do you think that there is already someone in place, who's yet to be officially announced? I just think bringing in a manager, and then a DoF would be the wrong way to go about things, but that's just my opinion. {Ed002's Note - It makes no difference.}
22 May 2012 00:47:39
I live next door but one to Rafa in Caldy and often walk my Dog with him and his Daughter Claudia who is good friends with my sister, either way he said he was approached for an Interview last friday and would love the job again as he loves the area and is staying put either way however he said he wasn't their first choice, he thinks their first choice trio were Guardiola (clearly unlikely to come to us) Van Gaal (however he was unhappy about being approached after Cruyff to be the new DoF when Comiolli went) and third choice was AVB, he couldn't tell me much more but thinks FSG won't take too much longer as they have a genuine 5 year plan and want to start building for next season ASAP, with serious short term investment this summer and possibly again at Christmas but only on players that will be playing for all those 5 years as after these next couple of windows they don't want to have to repeatedly cough up big money and want the player fees to be self sustaining he was also very excited about their keen interest in academy growth.
straight from Rafa's mouth!
This is Clearly BS
No way FSG would buy in January unless forced into it like when Torres left
what did they buy this Janauary when clearly we needed a striker
Oh Yes - I'm sure during the approach Mr Benitez was informed of where he stood in the selection process. Very kind and professional by the informant to tell him all the details of people they really want - bet it made Mr Benitez feel very special and wanted. I'll now go back to reading posts that are not quite as far fetched as this one.
John B
It was said on many of occasions that money was there and Kenny didnt want to buy. He felt there was no one available worth the money that was being asked.
Dublad
Well you're a bad friend
22 May 2012 00:44:06
Taken from the BBCs gossip page for Tuesday:
Roberto Martinez is set to meet Liverpool's owners in the United States on Thursday, after holding talks with them in England over the weekend.
**Daily Mirror**
Former England boss Fabio Capello is interested in the Anfield vacancy but has had no contact from Liverpool.
**Independent**
54D13R
22 May 2012 00:38:18
Hey Macca, your doing a fantastic job mate and we all appreciate it so much. Can I just ask, you said the Owners are really keen on Rodgers, but he's already turned us down. So are the owners going to try and persuade him or what? I'm hoping for Laudrup or Borrell myself. Thanks for your hard work mate.
KiwiRed
22 May 2012 00:33:30
An old lady outside Anfield was pushing a little home made pram full of newspapers. As she tried to get off the pavement one of the wheels fell off and the contents of her pram fell out all over the road.
By sheer coincidence, just as the accident happened a 4 wheel drive black Land Rover stopped to help.
Two Liverpool FC Directors got out immediately
'Can you manage?' they both shouted.
She replied calmly 'No, and I dont want the bl**ding job either!'.............. as she continued strolling towards the Kop whistling the fields of Anfield Road.
:-)
Tel 1949
Cracking post tel 1949 lol instead of wondering which way our great club is going! hope to god its up! steviep62
22 May 2012 00:29:46
I'm not saying he's getting the job or even getting an interview but people keep saying rafa is not favoured because of his age, he is 52, surley that's not a problem. In terms of manager that's quite s young age. Don't know who's getting the job and I don't think anyone else does at the moment including the owners, I would of thought logically it should be a dof signed next so he can add his views and opinions on next manager. I would also like to see David Dein take over from Ian Ayer.
Would be interested on the views to the person who disagreed with this.
22 May 2012 00:17:59
This is genuine ... Martinez will be offered the job.....FSG are not interested in short term fan unrest as they believe the fans will be won over by the end of next season.
Very little money for new signings - transfer targets are smoke screens, RM has been asked to provide a dossier on working with the squad and developing the youngsters - expect to see some shock players moving on to reduce wages..... Our talisman may even also be moved on......
I'm not saying you're wrong but if this is genuine then I see a massive flaw in our new owners plans. They are going to appoint a new manager, sell his current best players and not give him any money to replace them. However they want the new manager to promote our youth acadamey and they reackon all will be forgiven by end of next season. If that happens mate I reackon Martinez would of proved himself the best manager in the world and our owners are probably something a Carlsberg advertising campaign could only dream of. Fantastic I for one can't wait. To think we have spent well over £100 million over the last 4 to 5 years looking for strikers, wingers and creative midfielders and they have been sitting in the acadamey ready, twiddling there thumbs and waiting.
You were sounding like you were on track until you used the term "smoke-screen" and then your last line.
22 May 2012 00:18:48
why dont we go for frank rijkaard as next manager? after all everybody going on about guadiola but lets not forget it was rijkaard that made barcelaona a good side before guadiola took over. i wouldnt give job to martinez or villas boas. my choices would or would have been frank de boer(already said no), frank rijkaard or michael laudrup
It's quite simple really.
RIJKAARD IS WORTHLESS!
Red7.
To add.
He did NOT make Barca a good side, the players there did. they made the CL final where Arsenal choked. Rijkaard may have done a few things in his life, but being a good manager is not one of them.
Rijkaard's agent has allready openly rejected this last week mate, hes staying with his current employers. We probably wouldnt want to pay the compensation even if he did want out of his job
True dat
22 May 2012 00:17:05
Okay so me dads business is in Bootle and they regulary do different jobs at Melwood. Cut a long story short, yesterday he sent 2 employees out to Melwood to price up a job there and just as they got their Rafa was just arriving and going inside. Reckon he could be being interviewed?
These are getting ridic
22 May 2012 00:13:52
hi Eds, this year i have missed about half of the games at anfield due to work commitments but what i have seen obviously i have not seen much to impress me, in your opinion has Martin Skrtel been playing so well that he is now in demand by top clubs around Europe? i have seen him and think he has been very suspect at times certainly his positioning, and think its an indication of how bad the season was if he was voted our player of the season?
21 May 2012 23:51:54
Expect the Rafa circus to begin over the next 24hrs...
Curled1
It's been going since the minute he left, i'm over it.
21 May 2012 23:49:48
FSG have stated they want a younger manager (a cheaper manager) who can bring long term stability (work for peanuts). However, the market is very short on young managers who have experienced Champions League football or won league titles (winner that will work for peanuts). There are a few names – Andre Villas-Boas, Jurgen Klopp, Rudi Garcia –(out of lfc league) but although Liverpool has the history, they lack the players and money. It will depend on finances.
Below that top tier of young managers are the likes of Roberto Martinez, Brendan Rogers, Paul Lambert, Ian Holloway who have some Premiership experience and are more likely to consider the Liverpool position as one of the top jobs in Europe.
However, there is a danger that these are simply the lighting rod for management interference in team matters. Next year we might have to look else where for another mug.
21 May 2012 23:40:51
Ed would love you to set me straight and pardon for my ignorance.
People keep going on about our acadamey saying how great it is and we have a golden generation ready to come through.
I just dont see it,we seem no better than the rest.
Is it all hype or does our acadamey system offer some hope for a brighter future.
WORRIED RED
Worried red... I suggest you subscribe to LFC.tv or perhaps look on the new site on youtube. It's not simply about a number of players coming through, and there are more than I can ever remember who will make it as Footballers (whether at Liverpool or elsewhere) but it is also about the philosophy adopted throughout the Academy from Segura and Borrell. I don't remember us ever having that in place before, even when we had a batch of youngsters in the past...
Richards
21 May 2012 21:46:58
eds 3 quick questions please please answer
1)what managers have been aproched and who do you exspect to be aproached
2) will rafa have a chance to be manager
3) when do you think the new manager will be aproached
keep up the good work and please post and answer
thanks {Ed002's Note - You need to read the posts.}
21 May 2012 18:40:09
Ed002 has there definately been an approach to benitez about the lfc job? {Ed002's Note - A tentative approach, as there was to De Boer. So it is likely he would have been asked if he would be interested in discussing the position or not.}
21 May 2012 23:50:30
My opinion..
Out of all the available managers who want the job, I think Rafa Benitez is the most successful and the best candidate.
I personally don't believe he will get the job and some part of me believes he shouldn't come back either.
Martinez & Rodgers are two very good managers but it must be highlighted as they are only prospects as there CV is still blank.
I remember when Benitez was about to be replaced and you all wanted Owen Coyle. Look for Bolton now.
AVB has great protential but couldn't seem to handle the pressure of the UK Media or the prima Donna ballerina's that we call players.
This instantly makes me wonder on him. I mean,what's the point of signing a manager if realistically we finish next season 7th.
We kneed a knowledgable manager
What has Rodgers done to make him a viable candidate? Average at Watford, poor at Reading, one decent year at Swansea.
AVB is knowledgable otherwise he wouldn't have even gotten this far as a manager, especially having never been a player.
I agree that Rafa is by far the most successful manager we had since we last won the league title if we look at the bigger picture. Yes he made some mistakes along the way but if only he gets the financial support he badly needed then. He was always going to be a square peg in the round hole with the previous owners and the person who brought in Hodgson. If AVB comes in I wonder if he can handle the seniors here when he failed at Chelsea. Look what happened to Hodgson. I think the problems lie with the players to a great extent and to a lesser extent the manager. We need a strong willed manager who can bring out the best from the players to play as a team. Can Martinez fit that bill? If we want to bring big name manager then we must be prepare to compete with the likes of MC, Chelsea,Barcelona and Real Madrid.
I'd love Rafa back.
He's a top manager. He'd give Henderson instructions as well as Downing, instead of letting them play wing it football. I think Benitez would turn Coates into the next Hyypia. Enrique would benefit and most of all Carroll would be implemented extremely well.
Rafa's the man for Liverpool. It's still his squad, he's been watching all season and knows where to fix things.
Their CV is still blank...
This is the type of moronic, and ill informed comment from Liverpool fans these days which highlights the very reason why any prospective manager would doubt our fans having any intelligence of the game. A Curriculum Vitae spells out your life so far in looking for a prospective job. My nameless and clueless friend, if you realised this, you would know that their respective CV's are far from blank. These idiots who seem to have free reign on here without any knolwedge are pissing me off. AVB's record is the equivalent of Rafa's when he came to Liverpool. Nobody was shouting the roof down proclaiming him as the messiah when he arrived and I believe he wouldn't have lasted long, only for the miracle that was Didi Hamman at Istanbul . Remember, the team selection that night was a portent of what Rafa eventually would consistently do while he was in charge. Who that night agreed with Hamman being on the bench ?? Two years later Rafa stubbornly refused to bring Crouch on when everybody could see it was what was needed. For those who have short memories, Crouch was our leading scorer that year and more importantly, he was also the second highest goal scorer in the Champions League, only beaten by Kaka. So how great a manager was Rafa in refusing to use him till it was too late in the Final? Stop looking through rose tinted glasses, the man created more problems for himself and the team because of his obstinate nature. Why does anyone think he may have suddenly changed? And, before you mention the second place in the Premiership, remember, we were the team in control until he came out with his idiotic FACT press conference and f***ed it all up by putting undue pressure on the players. So Rafa a most definite NO for me. He had his chance and it was HE who messed it up, not H&G like some people now seem to think. Sorry for the long rant Eds. but too many idiots are making claims about Rafa without taking a step back and actually looking at the mistakes he made in contributing to his downfall. As for who will be manager next I HAVE NO CLUE. However, whoever it is will have my support, not because of what they may have done in their past. I will support them because i support Liverpool F.C. and if they manage my club i will look to the future and hope they can bring the glory I along with all true fans crave. Moreover, i don't give a s**t about what Man City, Chelsea, Utd., or any other team spends. This years league proved that, with the right manager, and a team who believes in him, you can come within 60 seconds of making a mockery of those who spend a reputed billion on a team. RANT OVER
Cork Red Boi {Ed023's Note - Spot on rant}
Cork Red Boi.
Thanks so much for posting that, i'm glad i'm not alone in these type of rants, I've been over it time and time and time and time again about players from smaller clubs, then people finally got the message that players have to start somewhere. But the fans are now starting this idiotic point of view regarding managers.
f*****g over it...
Red7.
Cork Red Boi, it's fine to slate rafa, he's not perfect. But who would you suggest then?
Martinez aka. Roy Hodgson II?
Villas Boas who could not adapt at Chelsea?
It's not like we have much choice after so many rejections. Personally I would love Gus Hiddink, but realistically I think Rafa is the man.
redkenyan
Cork Red's rant should be posted at the beginning of each day.
The "Rafa brigade" has grown tiresome. They are more interested in politics than football.
Thank God FSG are not listening to them.
21 May 2012 23:47:43
Andre Villas-Boas is my choice for manager and I hope that we appoint him. I think that he is exactly what we need to progress he is young, successful and has a point to prove in the PL. 12 months ago Chelsea paid €15 million to compensate FC Porto for his services and now we can get him for free, he is a very intelligent man who will have learned from the mistakes that he made last season. Just over a year ago before KK was announced a permanent manager were we not hoping that the same AVB would take over if Kenny was not appointed?
Scouse_Pride
21 May 2012 23:36:03
Ian Holloway as next liverpool manager, he won me over this weekend.lol
why would anyone want the job (all the risk/none of the control)
Rafa would want full control so he could do his job. Anyone taking the job just to be a figure head is walking into a ppppp storm.They know it, why would they want to be associated with a football club that has been so unable in recent years.
been control by americans owners that have run it into the ground.
FACTS>
1-manager would have no control over who comes into the club or who is transfered out, but would take all the blame for bad signings.
2-The manager couldn't go after experience top-class players because they cost too much money. (owners are cheap)
3-Any player is up for grabs if the valuation is met
4-The owners want instant success with mid-table team
5-Manager neck is on the line if he doesn't make champions-league within a season
6- Coaching style may be affected by "money-ball-tactics"
7- americans don't want to pay more than 500k a season for the manager.
ian holloway-blackpool 200k
Chris Hughton 250k
Alan Pardew 500k
Roberto Martinez 600k
Brendan Rodgers £400k
jose mourinho -real madrid-8.4m
pep guardiola -baracelona- 6.3m
guus hiddink -anzhi makhachkala 6.3m
roberto mancini -man city 5m
Carlo ancelotti -PSG- 4.9m
jupp heynckes -bayern munich 4.2m
sir Alex Ferguson-man utd-4m
Kenny Dalglish-liverpoool 4m (sacked)
Arsene Wenger-Arsenal 3.9m
Harry Redknapp-tottenham £3.9m
Luis Felipe Scolari-Palmeiras-£3.0m
David Moyes-Everton-£3.0m
Mark Hughes-QPR-£3.0m
Martin O'Neill-Sunderland-£3.0m
Diego Maradona-Al-Wasl-£2.9m
Manuel Pellegrini-Malaga-£2.9m
Luciano Spaletti-Zenit-£2.5m
Muricy Ramalho-Santos-£2.2m
Ottmar Hitzfeld-Switzerland-£2.2m
Alex McLeish-Aston Villa- £2m
Joachim Loew-Germany-£2m
Vicente del bosque-spain-£1.8m
Abel Braga-Fluminense-£1.8m
Allegri-AC milan-£1.8m
Claudio ranieri-inter-£1.5m
Conte-Juventus-£1.3m
Andre Villas-Boas -chelsea- £4.5m (sacked)
Steve Bruce - Sunderland - £3m (sacked)
Sven-Goran Eriksson -Leicester City -£2m
Fabio Capello -England - £6m (resigned)
Martin Jol £5.8m
Manuel Pellegrini -£4m
I think you got a few things wrong there pal.
What complete nonsense. I love it when people spout complete rubbish and claim them to be 'FACTS', oh yeah it must be true you switched on caps lock.
Even if it's Rodgers or Martinez, they will be on significantly more than 500K
21 May 2012 23:29:07
Dear Eds,
I have a fair few points to discuss and therefore this will be pretty long. I have been researching a lot into the three different points I want to make and would appreciate it if you would give your opinions and any other valuable information.
Firstly, the manager situation. Out of all mentioned I have come to conclusions that there are 3 major candidates however I may be wrong.
Candidate 1 is Rafa Benitez. From my research I have learnt that despite him having previous experience with the club he is being advised against due to his Dalglish like relation with fans. Also with him wanting full control resulting in problems with a potential DoF. Furthermore he could cause problems internally if unpopular decisions relating to finance and club personnel need to be executed.
Candidate 2 is Roberto Martinez. IMO he will face harsh treatment from fans because of his inexperience in managing at the top-level. I also feel that he is a fall back option for the owners considering other candidates have ruled themselves out or other reasons. However he may take the Villa job as it involves less demands and pressure.
Candidate 3 is Andre Vilas Boas. IMO he is the ideal candidate and owners first choice considering other options. However he also has an offer from Roma. Now I am not fully aware of the project at Roma but it seems similar to the one at LFC. DiBennedetto, fellow member of FSG is their owner and has said to be influenced by the forthcoming FFP rules. I am not sure if he has any links with LFC and how this may conflict between both parties. Also Vincenzo Montella has been mentioned for Roma who may be returning from Catania but thier seems to be some sort of compensation package holdup with Catania. DiBennedetto has previous experience with him as he was caretaker manager at the time of the takeover. AVB himself has been quoted as saying "I'm still choosing the right project and that decision will take the necessary time."
Eds could you please clear the situation with AVB and Roma up for me.
Now my second point is about this consultancy group helping FSG with certain decisions around the club.
This can be backed up by the quote from Ian Ayre "They've (Henry and Werner) engaged discussion and the services of some very, very talented and knowledgeable people from within the football industry."
From my understanding David Dein who has been spotted many a times at recent LFC matches seems to be chief advisor and seems to have a hand behind the sackings of major club personnel including Comolli and Dalglish. IMO he will he involved with the club after the manager fiasco has been sorted in some sort of executive role such as CEO however I don't see him as much of a DoF myself.
I have also heard Rick Parry is a part of this consultancy group as a confidante of the key people involved in the group because of his previous knowledge of the club and how it was run. However he will not be offered any sort of role to return back to the club.
Finally Brian Barwick, former FA chief executive and lifelong LFC fan has been asked to conduct a review of the club's media output. Fenway Sports Group, the American owners of the Merseyside club, intend to invest in their website and TV channel during the summer and have asked Barwick to recommend the improvements. The club's owners hope to take greater control over the output and expand the global appeal of their media. Barwick, will report to managing director Ian Ayre with his findings, but there will be inevitable changes once his report is concluded. Liverpool's chairman, Tom Werner, would not verify Barwick's involvement at the club, but did confirm a broad review of how their media operates was under way.' Now IMO Ian Ayre's sacking is imminent and Barwick may be one of the options to replace him. Also new Director of Communications, Jen Chang may have been part of this review replacing Ian Cotton.
My final point is regarding the DoF. With still no outcome. I am still restless to see who will be appointed to aid the new manager in the transfers of the upcoming season. Txiki Begiristain still remains the top choice but we have received no indication of any media links to him. Also if he has been appointed in secrecy surely he must be part of the consultancy group?
Hopefully Eds can shed more light into certain situations.
Cheers,
Hassan
I don't see how we could hate Martinez, he's a really nice guy, very intelligent and he wants to prove himself, I think he would be a success especially long term. The real Liverpool fans will back him for sure.
Martinez will face harsh treatment for his inexperience from fans that have no idea of what will make a good manager.
He's wanted to take a leap like this for years, and as any gaffa worth his salt will do, he'll take on the challenge if he's given the opportunity. I for one, would welcome the man. As i would AVB.
Red7.