Liverpool Banter Archive June 22 2014

22 Jun 2014 22:10:05
I know a lot of people are saying that we should include Sanchez in any deal with Barca for Suarez, but I'd ask for both Montoya and Sanchez plus cash for Suarez.

I'd say we could persuade hem for both players if they want Suarez that much. However I still hope he stays and Sanchez still joins us.

Hear what your saying about Montoya. but he's got to want to join us as well.

{Ed030's Note - True, However how often do you hear of a deal involving cash and 3 players involved, Just can't see it happening myself. }

Just never going to happen and even if it did, by getting 2 great players like that you would get less cash then just having 1, so for me sanchez and larger cash sum so BR and whoever else involved can use to buy who they value

22 Jun 2014 21:02:12
So Barca and Real Madrid and all the others know about Suarez's contract clauses. So what? How does that change anything? Everyone seems to be forgetting that it is FSG that is in the driver's seat (as they made abundantly clear last summer to Suarez, Arsenal and all). Since then they extended his contract and raised his wages, and are now sitting very prettily on a very hot property. No amount of whining by Suarez or manoeuvering by his reps is going to sway them. Their decision is simply to either encash on their investment on a player who is probably at his (financial) peak, or keep him in the hope of winning the EPL next year and do equally well in the CL. Which teams are interested to buy and the numbers involved become relevant only after FSG make their decision. Just my thoughts.

I think its the other way around, it seems lfc broke promises that where made to LS last summer, and in order to stop him huffing/forcing a move/poor performances/running down his contract ect ect, they gave him a pay rise and a guaranteed way out if he so desires, obviously lfc will make a lot of money, but I don't think it will be as much as people think as LS and his agent would have made sure it wasnt such an astronomical sum that would have scared everyone off.both backs have been scratched so to speak, so say your goodbyes as he might not be back at anfield

The word - very very speculative.

Gave him a payrise and a way out.

Say good bye he may not be back at anfield.

Seriously had you said "it's my opinion" then Ok but you haven't and "it's my opinion" your talking crap.

RTP and if Barcelona or Real Madrid offer enough then he will probably go but we're not talking £50m here - the Ed's don't think these two will offer enough but if they do fair enough - but there is no substance or fact to support your post.

Hoola - the Word says "I think" several times suggesting it's all his opinion. And I think his analysis is pretty sound. LS helped us back into CL and now he gets his move in a year when his value is highest for LFC.

I knwo the Eds will not discuss clauses and I do not blame them at all. For some reason I seem to recall it being 70 million as release clause but probably wrong

23 Jun 2014 08:40:29
First time I have agreed with the Word.

Hi Anfield boy;

I disagree; he says he "thinks it's the other way around" then states the comments I picked up on.

Would you say between October and January Suarez's "poor performances showed he wanted to leave?

Hence my reply.

Also the further statement "I think" is related to the amount of money expected to be received; I can't agree or disagree on this until such an accepted bid (either by the club or reluctantly by the club) is known - however will it ever be enough if received? I think BR stated he would be £100m player; if we receive £90m does that make "the word" right?

22 Jun 2014 20:27:15
Just want to support some other posters. If Suarez is to go we could do much worse than £50m + Sanchez. Sanchez has the South American mindset that Suarez has of try anything, give everything, and is possibly the next best player in the world with that mentality. He's also very quick as if pace was something we lack currently.
With the £50million I'd expect we'd look to bring in a new centre-back, although it would mean letting one or two go. Could possibly see us challenging for Hummels or the like if we had cash in hand. Would love us to push for Rojo if Moreno isn't going smoothly too. And then I'm expecting we'd look at one more attacking player if Suarez leaves.
If Suarez wants to leave I'm disappointed in him as the club has offered all he could want, but no player is bigger than the club and if we can take in a ready-made replacement as part of the deal, then every cloud has a silver lining should we say.

22 Jun 2014 19:46:58
I'd be happy with 50 mil and Sanchez for saurez.

Lets face it saurez will leave sooner or later, and in Sanchez you have someone who in another couple of years can match what saurez has achieved with us.

Don't forget we have Sturridge. Maybe look at getting pedro in and Lovren and still have abit of change.

Then use the 50m to buy Varane, Valbuena & Ayew

{Ed002's Note - That is not going to happen.}

Evening all,
Once again I just do not understand the logic of people justifying Suarez leaving and some others thinking we may be better off if he did leave.
We all know Suarez is probably the most annoying player in the world and if he played for any other team I would dislike him immensely however he plays for us and I love him. He can not be replaced by anybody else. If we do lose him, which looks possible, we will be a lot worst off for it regardless of who we attempt to replace him with.
Keep Suarez and win everything next season!

22 Jun 2014 18:05:11
Hi Ed002,
let`s say Suarez is sold to Barca. Liverpool got Lambert but another replacement if Luis goes will be brought in. Do you think it is realistic that Alexis Sanches would be Luis`s another and last replacement? I think Liverpool would need a top class striker like Falcao or Cavani rather than Sanches. Would the club even consider Sanches as a part of a potential Suarez`s move? Any your thought much appreciated thanks.

{Ed002's Note - I really don't want to start speculating about players the club has shown no interest in Tom.}

22 Jun 2014 19:54:05
Ed. Apart from you none here believes that Sanchez isn't of our interest.

{Ed002's Note - I have explained the situation with respect to Sanchez. So for the final time - There has been some interest from Manchester United, Juventus and Arsenal. Barcelona will be willing to let Sanchez move on and would be open to using him in a player exchange deal. There have been discussions Juventus in respect of Sanchez and there is no secret that his agent has confirmed that they would be willing to meet the terms that the player desires. However, they are far from agreeing a figure with Barcelona for the sale - very far indeed. Barcelona will be willing to let Sanchez move on for a very significant fee or would be open to using him in a player exchange deal. Barcelona were looking to replace Fabregas with Vidal and were looking to that as an option whilst there is such a difference between what is being asked and what is being offered. However, with talks dragging on and Juventus wanting to keep Vidal their attention shifted from Vidal to Koke and then to Rakitic. There remains the thought that Sanchez might be part of a deal for Suarez.}

22 Jun 2014 17:13:09
Heard that Suarez is 100% leaving this summer. Is it true? And if so, where to?

{Ed002's Note - RTP.}

I was told a few weeks ago by sombody who played golf with kenny dalglish that he's off to Real Madrid, already a done deal.
Didn't want to believe it but it's looking like he was telling the truth.

22 Jun 2014 16:58:09
Hey eds what are the details of Suarez's contract and its various clauses if you know?

because papers keep saying that his release clause is around £70 million but surely its a lot more?

{Ed002's Note - I really don't want to get in to anything related to finance, contracts and clauses. Sorry.}

Ed, I think your refusal to get involved with financial details on this site is unfair. I am struggling with the idea of an ISA or shares. Surely a less narrow minded approach will save a lot of your readers a great deal of anguish.

22 Jun 2014 22:27:59
I can quite understand why the Eds don't want to get involved with the financial details and think we just need to trust the owners, the players, Brendan and of course the Eds to do the right thing!

After the abuse the Ed's have had in the past I for one am not surprised they do not want to talk about finance.
It's no good coming on here bleating they won't answer your questions, when, and if they do, all they get is a torrid amount of negative responses that, if read, would make my poor gran spin!

Past persons and the intellectually challenged are the one's to blame.
No one else!

vrcomp
Y.N.W.A.

22 Jun 2014 16:03:04
I don't think Suarez will go, there was bound to be offers for him but the club no that.
He has said himself that he has no buy out clause in his contract.
BUT if he did go and the papers are to be believed would Sanchez & falcao be enough to make up for the loss of Suarez?
Thoughts please.

{Ed002's Note - Suarez has not said "he has no buy out clause in his contract".}

I'm sure you would love Suarez to leave ed2 seen as your a Chelsea fan, but it ain't gunna happen this summer.

{Ed001's Note - you really are just making yourself look a bell lad! The only reason Ed002 would be glad if he left is so idiots like you would stop being knobs and embarrassing the rest of the LFC support. Grow up.}

Yes he has, he said in an interview he has no special buy out clause and is happy and can't wait to play CL footy with Liverpool.

{Ed002's Note - He has noted that there was no clause mentioning "Real Madrid".}

22 Jun 2014 18:05:25
Ed002. He did say it, It was Quoted in Newspaper. Dono How much truth in it.

{Ed002's Note - You are digging yourself a hole.}

22 Jun 2014 18:36:01
No, lads. Stop.

Suarez was not quoted by the papers as saying he has no buy-out clause.

He was asked in a press conference was there a specific clause in his contract allowing him to leave for Real Madrid or Barca for a lesser fee than he could go to a different club. He laughed the idea off.

He may still have a general buy-out clause that anyone can activate.

22 Jun 2014 14:02:44
Afternoon Ed01. I posted over on the Liverpool-banter page.
Can I join Reet in his special guest duties?

{Ed001's Note - as he doesn't seem to mind, I guess it does no harm to have two guest editors, you can talk to each other if nothing else! I will get Ed033 to email you the details as soon as he has the time.}

Cheers Ed. Let's see if we can get the page going!.

Congrats triple b
and ed 001 thanks for putting that link ay the top

Cheers partner and Ed01. Let's see if we can get some visitors! Harry, come and see us. I think we'll have plenty of time for you!

Aye, and when you get Harry there keep him there.

22 Jun 2014 13:16:55
Hi Eds, a question about contracts if I may. Forgetting any actual figures but if a player has a release clause in his contract, if a club present an offer in excess of that, what does that actually mean and what happens then? Does the parent club have to sell for that amount or does it just mean that the buying club have permission to talk to the player but they still have to meet whatever price the selling club set?

Thank you,

Bryan

{Ed002's Note - This is a horribly complex area not least because they are written under individual national laws.

The "buy out" clause is legally binding between a club and a player. The "buy out" is effectively what it says - a means for the player to buy himself out of the contract. As an example, if a player wishes to buy himself out of a contract, he pays the applicable FA the amount of the "buy out" clause effectively becoming a free agent. The problem is that in most cases a player would need to obtain that money from the buying club - and this is fraught with issues regarding "tapping up" and, of course, taxation as it can be seen as income for the player and would therefore be subject to income tax. There was a test case about the taxation issue in Spain about three years ago.

A "release clause" is far more common in that it gives a figure that the club would accept for the sale of a player to another club - but it is not legally binding except where both parties are in the same country, and even then that only applies in certain countries - notably Spain and Portugal. These are normally unreasonably high figures (Messi at Barcelona for example) introduced to act as a deterrent for hostile bids - and even then the club could easily block a move. However, if a club does agree to match a release clause then the club would be obliged to ask the player if he is interested. Examples are Goetze who decide he wanted to move and Cavani who, regardless of two offers that were made in 2012 that matched or equated to his then "release clause" recognised Napoli did not want to sell and could block a move abroad and he accepted a new package. Since then Napoli said they will listen to offers of €60M or so and indeed accepted a bid this summer - which is of course different.

There is then the becoming popular "termination clause" which is binding between the player and the club and if met would see an offer from anywhere accepted and the player given the opportunity to make a call on a move. This overcomes the issues associated with "buy out" clauses as the money would be paid by one club to another.}

Ed, How does a termination clause get executed?
It seems Gareth bale is getting his termination clause activated several times a game by a sniper in row Z.

Hi ed
any examples of a player buying himself out of his contract in any first division in recent years?

{Ed002's Note - None related to Liverpool.}

Thanks Ed, that's great. I have always found it an interesting subject, albeit a confusing one. This has really helped and I didn't appreciate that there are 3 alternatives so will be more informed when reading press articles now.

Thanks again and enjoy the rest of your weekend.

Bryan

{Ed002's Note - I am by no means sure that the majority of the "press" understands Bryan.}

I think that's a fair assumption, Ed. I think that's why everyone gets so confused with it all. It's pretty interesting though and it'd be fun to be a fly on the wall when some players, agents and clubs are negotiating these.

22 Jun 2014 16:22:17
Ed002,

Wow. Never thought how complex or complicated the "release clause" actually is. In fact, I can't even understand most of it. And I would not ask for more explaination, that's for sure.

22 Jun 2014 12:04:42
Ed002 I asked a while back and you said you weren't 100% on wether the club would but did the club send a "media babysitter" to the world cup to stop him embarrassing himself / Liverpool?
Cheers

{Ed002's Note - I don't know if the did or not.}

22 Jun 2014 13:05:20
Hi guys,

I actually do have a question for once, and it isn't about whether or not were signing every player ever.

Is there any plan (that you know of) for Danny Ward? Thanks in advance.

22 Jun 2014 12:29:41
Didn't watch the Germany Ghana game yesterday?
How did Andre Ayew play yesterday?

He as lights out just like the whole Ghana team. Cracking WC game. How they lost to the U.S after dominating the whole game still remaina mystery.

22 Jun 2014 10:41:04
All this talk of an official buy out clause in Suarezs contract make no sense.

Why would the club give him an extra 100k a week for the season and include a clause that almost guarantees his departure?

Why not just leave him on less money in a contract where we dictate the price and let club's have a bidding war?

Logistically this buy out clause makes no sense and if I see that I'm sure the club see that and I would dismiss any paper talk about a "trigger fee"

What I'm saying does make sense here eds yes? I haven't missed something have I?

22 Jun 2014 10:24:22
If Suarez keeps playing like he does it will be inevitable before mardid comes in for him.

FSG need to be firm and make sure we keep him for atleast one more season. We just came in second and we need to re-establish ourselves in the top four and the cl and selling suarez won't do that. that's why it is important to keep him another year atleast. Finish high and the cl and then if the lure is too strong then sell him.

The thing is though, why do most people think RM and Barca are still the top draw/premier clubs to play for? I just feel that both these clubs are not what they used to be. Barca are rebuilding and will take some time for them to archieve what they did under the previous regime, and RM, mostly full of egos (as is Barca). I believe the EPL offers far more competition etc the the Spanish league.

22 Jun 2014 14:40:26
You could win the league with ease, if you are in either one of the clubs.Apart from last season, It has been a 2 horse race since ages.
2. They pay a very high wages compared to some EPL teams

22 Jun 2014 14:49:19
Harry you can't win any league with ease.

23 Jun 2014 08:14:26
Ask Celtic.

22 Jun 2014 03:24:29
question for everyone. Would you guys be happy if sanchez was included in a deal for suarez(if he is to leave)or would you rather all just cash?

personally I would like sanchez in a deal. think he's quality and he's 25 so he's got his best years ahead of him.

what do you guys think?

just also adding that I don't want suarez to leave

22 Jun 2014 03:38:46
If we lose Suarez to Barcelona then I would basically expect Sanchez in the other direction. that's the only considerable way imo

22 Jun 2014 09:26:55
Selling him would be a suicide. I would turn my back to any kinda offer from Barca or Real.
Sanchez won't hit 30+ goals an 13 assists. None would do it baring Ronaldo

22 Jun 2014 09:50:40
The thing is if we get Sanchez then surely we would need another striker to replace Suarez goals.

Agreed - I would hope that with the additional money coming our way (assuming Barcelona don't value Suarez as the same as Sanchez) that our transfer net spend wasn't too much this window if it does happen.

I think we should stick to the targets we already want and maybe add a striker to replace Suarez.

It would soften the blow Sanchez would be the most exciting player we've signed since Suarez and before him Torres in my opinion. I would still be hoping for another striker option though as I don't know if Sturridge is able to remain fit the season and Lambert (no disrespect) wouldn't be the perfect replacement for me

22 Jun 2014 14:44:21
Suarez and his goals + assist has nothing to do with Sturridge. Sturridge had hardly created a goal for him.
In-fact, Sturridge has been benefited hugely with Suarez.

Sturridge had as many assists to Suarez as Suarez did to Sturridge. Honestly don't see Suarez hitting 30+ goals again next year either. In the history of the PL, only one player has ever had back-to-back 30 goal seasons.

Agree with Harry here Suarez is a special talent. These type of players aren't readily produced and it could be some time before we see one again if he were to leave. Sanchez is clearly and dangerous and exciting attacker but not with the same impact Suarez has on the game.
Jack!

22 Jun 2014 00:07:06
Hi to all the Eds and fellow Reds

A few fans are mystified by where the 'Suarez to wherever' rumours come from. These rumours are generated by websites that are short of real stories so they conjure things (for want of a better word) up.

Why do Liverpool fans actually 'buy' into these rumours is beyond me! How they begin to swap Suarez with whoever they've 'read' somewhere might be coming. I know it's the silly season but can Liverpool fans PLEASE WAKE UP!
I'm beginning to suspect some of these people are NOT Liverpool fans otherwise they wouldn't have written such drivel! What's even more frustrating is that the majority not only believe it might happen but also begin to suggest even more stupid players swaps. I have begun to worry about the intelligence of some people.

Wait and you will see who comes in and who goes.

have a good rest of the summer eds and fans

YNWA
Iranred

22 Jun 2014 03:53:49
Hi,

If Suarez leave, I wouldn't think those names will be coming in.

When Torres left and Suarez came, although I've watched Suarez before, I've never thought that he will be such a hit, in fact far better than Torres.

Even for other players who had left, seeing those who came in (although most are not their direct replacements), most are like upgrades from those who left. And those weren't those big names fans were shouting for.

What I'm trying to say is, the club knows what they're doing. I am not worried that there will be another great players coming in, names who are not Sanchez, Mandzukic, Ibrahimovic, Neymar or whatever.

I hope Suarez stays btw.

Thanks guys.

A few of us said he would be off a while back. I said for about 70m and the usual drivel came back saying not for 150m. He wants to go. It's very simple. This summer is when his desire to play in Spain will be granted as it will suit all parties. I also predict a fans backlash against ol' Luis.

22 Jun 2014 09:28:09
Give Suarez to Levy. And he would show us what's his real price is.

22 Jun 2014 10:42:40
I don't know why anyone is surprised, he is one of the best players in the world, and although the media seem to be plucking figures and teams out of the air, of course we are going to have clubs making offers for him. The question is 1) will anyone make a good enough offer for LFC to accept? And 2) is he happy enough at LFC to stay next season? I don't blame him if he wants to move onto a club where he can be winning trophies to put to his name every season, as much as I don't want him to go. Just as long as it's abroad, and we get a decent fee for him there's no hard feelings :-)

With the rumoured 70m clause in his contract I think its only a matter of time before he joins madrid