Liverpool Banter Archive July 22 2015

22 Jul 2015 23:18:49
Well chuffed with the benteke signing, someone I wanted since last summer. I think he's going to be immense.

23 Jul 2015 07:45:19
God I hope so.

22 Jul 2015 22:18:00
Lambert off to West Brom.
Benteke will be taking the famous number 9 shirt.

22 Jul 2015 22:01:44
On official website Benteke without a number as yet - I presume he will take the No 9 once Ricky departs!

23 Jul 2015 07:56:35
I was sought of expecting Firmino to take no.7.

23 Jul 2015 08:32:35
Milner took 7

22 Jul 2015 21:02:35
Told u :-)

22 Jul 2015 21:56:55
So did the Ed's a long time before you ;o)

22 Jul 2015 20:26:00
Does anybody know how the new balance kit fits in comparison to the warriors kit? I've got the 3rd kit from last season in a Medium and it fits phenomenally well. Anyone know if its about the same size?!

22 Jul 2015 22:02:52
After last year performances you've probably drowned your sorrows in a few pints over the break so I'd get a large mate

22 Jul 2015 22:15:22
I think they are actually owned by the same concern. They've just chosen to brand our shirts NB now rather than their warrior brand.

So my guess is that it's the same stuff being made in the same factory and so the sizing will be the same.

But it's just a view and I haven't tried it. I get my boy a new one every year on his birthday with his age and our family name. The year before last had Suarez' number. He left. Then he had Stevie's same thing. Now he's going to be 9 I'm hoping that Lambert hangs on a while and keeps the nine. If Big Ben gets it and the curse strikes him that will be expensive.

22 Jul 2015 22:37:25
I've got a Suarez one from 2 seasons ago. he departed. Got a Sterling one from last season, he's gone aswell. Scared of who to get next as I'd really like a Coutinho kit BUT. don't want him to depart next summer!

22 Jul 2015 23:27:53
Buy Enrique or Allen shirts please

22 Jul 2015 23:35:17
oh god DR! we've got to wait another 39 years until Balotelli goes?!

22 Jul 2015 23:49:58
Deadred, please for the greater good go get Skrtel next :)

22 Jul 2015 19:31:19
I just want to say Rodgers could learn from van gaals blasting of his new player. No matter the score we always pressed and worked well with great intensity at times. Even against bloody stoke all he said was first half we were poor but we improved second half

He should have fined every player who played a week's wages and absolutely rollocked them followed by a end of season tour to teach them a lesson.

My point being although I believe we should back Rodgers he needs to learn from his mistakes and if the team play crap tell them how it is

Accept nothing but the best, ynwa

22 Jul 2015 21:07:16
You mentioned the stoke game. do you know how many of our players actually played their own positions?. Rogers is the one that should have been fined or better still sacked. You cannot just blame players. If you recall. Rogers said after the united game "top four is going to be very difficult now". he gave up. never seen this in any lfc side in all my days.

But you are right. he is the manager and I hope he turns it round.

22 Jul 2015 21:07:21
Had he done that he would have lost the dressing room which was already, according to some reports, in turmoile at some points last season, definitley twards the end. Players have to feel a degree of awe to their manager before he can do that. BR is not there and I doubt if he will ever be.

22 Jul 2015 21:22:58
I couldn't disagree more,

Lvg is a prick. If you're a manager of a team and publicly slate a new team members performance you're heading for trouble. Everywhere he's gone he's pissed off players and he'll eventually be shown the door once he's alienated himself

22 Jul 2015 21:47:34
Now you want him to blast the players? The last time he did that this page trashed him to dustbin.

It's wise for everyone including him to keep his mouth shut.

23 Jul 2015 00:22:40
With you there, EG. Everyone should just keep quiet and keep everything in the family.

22 Jul 2015 18:08:54
To shed a bit of light on the slight administrative problem holding up the Benteke deal. The computer systems at Melwood are prone to getting stuck on 3 or 4 letters.This has been an ongoing problem since Rodgers joined. The scouting search first got stuck on A,B & C which resulted in us signing Allen, Assaidi, Alberto, aspas, borini, continho, cissokho and can. The problem was thought to have been fixed but the signings mignolet, lambert, lallana, markovic, lovren, origi, manquillo, moreno, Mario and Milner highlighted the system had fixed on L,M, N & O. The systems was then reset but bogdan, Clyne and benteke have followed. Could have been worse beasant could have been our new back up keeper.

22 Jul 2015 19:47:17
that sounds very far fetched!! can ed002 or ed001 confirm this?

thanks

obs

22 Jul 2015 20:50:03
This is complete rubbish melwood computers use a qwerty keyboard

22 Jul 2015 21:11:37
like it :)

22 Jul 2015 22:09:56
Eds also use the same computer system but theirs gets stuck on R,T & P.

Only kidding you guys do a great job. Congrats ed1.

22 Jul 2015 16:49:40
Hi ed,

Could you take the time to answer a question please?
When Liverpool sign Benteke, will that be the end of they're business in this window? I ask because so many fans seem to think the team is ready, when I believe it is far from and still needs work. I'm sure BR can see it needs more and with our net spend less than 30 mil Nd borini, lambert, balotelli and Enrique likely to leave it'll leave our our net spend around 10 mil. Surely then we could look and the like of Pedro or more urgently illarremndi. I mean lucas simply isn't good enough on the ball. I just feel when you have a midfield player who scores 0 goals every year it's just a disadvantage straight off. With regards Pedro I believe he will add vital goals. I like lallana he chips in with goals, that can be said for coutinho milner hendo and I'd imagine firminho too. But none of these players will exceed 10 league goals. And not all will exceed 7 r 8 it depends on who plays. Origi and ings will be around the same figures with a bit of luck given what will be limited playing time. Sturridge will miss 3 to 4 months standard and he's by far our best striker. Benteke is a good buy and may even get 20 if everything goes well. But that will still leave us well, well short of the numbers needed to challenge. I think Pedro is a proven goal scorer and I think the fact he's available and around the price markovic was, it'd be crazy not to even try.i also believe illarremndi would be a huge improvement on lucas Allen or can holding and could be the difference. He's just a very good passer and not afraid of a challenge, he can get around a lot better than the lads also. 14 mil and available? Just go buy him and give yourself a chance! That's what I think anyway.

what's the EDS opinion on illarremndi?
THANK YOU EDS great site.

{Ed002's Note - Net spend is far from "below 30". The club has too many players to register for the league and need to sell - already we know that there are problems as three players cannot be sold at the price being asked by the club - lots of decisions to be made.}

22 Jul 2015 17:50:39
I do not think we need more players, certainly not any attackers anyway,
I would have liked a GK, as somebody else mentioned our rivals all have top class keepers (Hart,Cech,Lloris,De Gea and Courtious) but I would rather keep Mignolet than buy for the sake of it.
All in all, fairly happy with the squad.

22 Jul 2015 18:03:43
IMO it would be a disaster if we don't reinforce our poor midfield. BR seems convinced the owners on the lack of goals the reason we dropped out from top 4 last season ( only 50 goals ) and added 4 players + sturridge to buckle up this number. We haven't done anything on our defense with the same CB pairs for the next season including GK.

I got no idea what's the plan to stop conceding goals. Dropping skrtel is not the sole answer as there are too many flaws in our midfield. Someone press us high and our midfield buckled under pressure and we either concede a free kick or sit deep conceding a goal.

Lucas has to play consistently close to 50 games next season which in reality never happened and not going to be.

We are weak in midfield, it's a simple math compared to other teams.

I personally was expecting a CM / DM to arrive and would be disappointed if not.

Long season and what if Lucas gets injured? Screwed to bottom as majority of our midfielders are attack minded.

Every team above us have either bought or are linked with a top class DM except Liverpool says a lot.

We need to move players out and that's one stumbling block as majority of our players ( out of favor ) has been so poor last season that finding a new club is a mammooth task. ( else incur massive loss )

Just my opinion.

22 Jul 2015 18:38:04
Anyone got an opinion of illarrimendi? I appreciate the situation the club finds itself in (own doing) but they can just not register players that are not wanted and they will need to move on to continue they're career. Borini in particular is acting the maggot. The fact remains our Squad isn't good enough to challenge. Our midfield isn't good enough at all defensively and our back line is weak. Not in terms of numbers but quality. All these far from good enough centre backs taking up space is the problem as is the situation in midfield. The fact remains we have Allen and can who will hardly ever feature in the centre of the park because they are not good enough. We have no wingers! We bought benteke and we have Milner whos better in the centre, markovic who won't feature and Ibe who as promising as he is doesn't release the anall when he should which won't aid the big man. I just think the club should be working harder to get Lucas and Allen off the books Allen hardly plays and lucas is not good enough. And ed our net spend isn't much more than 30.

{Ed001's Note - our net spend is much much higher. You clearly do not understand all the extra costs involved.}

22 Jul 2015 20:03:26
Sell all deadwood but keep lucas and Allen. Snap digne up on deadline day

22 Jul 2015 20:04:37
European Glory. Have you forgotten Emre Can, Jordan Rossiter?! The problem for me is Skittles. A Sakho-Lovren CB partnership plus either Lucas or Can in the DM role will solve many of the problems

22 Jul 2015 20:08:09
more negative posts from the usual suspects, but on to pedro i don't think you can call him a prolific scoring midfeilder, since being promoted from barcelona b he's score 58 goals in 204 games not bad but hardly prolific and also he was promoted 7 years ago in 2008

prolific goal scoring midfeilders are hard to find and priced well outta reach

22 Jul 2015 20:46:42
None of our centre backs are bad defenders. They just need protection in midfield. Harry's got a point that if Lucas gets injured which is likely, we have no other player that does what he does which is drop deep and pick up the ball from defenders and start the play. As well as defend. I thought Allen might have taken that role on in pre season, but he still doesn't have a clue when to drop deep and make himself an option for the defenders.

Red Rum

22 Jul 2015 20:12:30
Sorry danaldinho, but I have to disagree with your comment. The team is in a much better place than it was last season and attack is definitely not what we need any more of. We have spent a lot more than you state. Fees are not the only thing that need to be paid. A lot more costs are involved and are kept more quiet than the asking price. Ings is an example in that although he may come as a free. He is not. With all the hidden costs that come underneath it and with him. He's more likely to be between 5-10mil to pay for. Something that is never mentioned on sports sites. Probably because it is too confusing for everyone to understand.
Buying pedro would be silly move too. It would be another expensive signing that isn't needed no more. I like the player. Good experience and I see your reason. Liked him seasons before too, mind he does tend to be a supersub more than anything else. But we needed him last year or the year before. When we didn't have markovic, lallana, coutinho, Sturridge, lambert, balotelli, borini or even sterling at the time. Now with firmino, Ings, Ibe, origi, Benteke and not mentioning the young boys. We are overcrowded. Pedro is just another space that need to push someone else out. And honestly I think any of our players are capable of everything he offers but at a younger age. You mention that everyone chips in for anything around 5-10 goals a season. With Benteke getting 20 if lucky and our other strikers contributing a few throughout the year. If that's true that looks really good actually pal. Last season explains those kind of things but if you look at other teams in previous years. Most have a standout player to get most goals. Last year being Kane, aguero, Costa. Etc. in past years for us being Suarez and Torres. Normally the next closest is someone with anything between 5-15 goals. That's just fine. Your saying Benteke is that for us. I get your point with Lucas too. But I don't think it's best valid considering his role and style to play. He's not designed to score nor does he look too. His role is simply to clean up any crap that comes at the defence. Which he does do quite well. He's a player who easily gets scapegoated and little attention. But actually helps the team out more than what is shown on TV. I agree Allen is just not up to scratch and I can't defend him since he just isn't as good as versa or best at whatever he's told to do. Just isn't his game and I think Liverpool is a bit too big or demanding for him. He's player that suited Swansea when there and they suited him better. But I don't think illarmendi is the answer to that. Again expensive and where does he play? For me I think the team is good. Being in middle we have 2 amazing engines in hendo and Milner. Can who will mature and hopefully just get better given the right chance. Rossiter and Lucas is there obivously. So the position isn't really needed. The defence is good apart from, Skrtel being the problem, but we all know that story and it won't change until he moves on or changes his game or someone realises this issue. Gk could be improved as mentioned but not sure who with and mig can get better. Come the end of last season. He wasn't too far from golden glove. I find any keeper we sign always begin off shaky but given time they improve loads. Reina and dudek being good examples. Shaky when they began but once in there prime. Nothing was getting last them. Lb is the only thing which hasn't been sorted. Gomez looks a quick fix but not naturally his position, but I just hope Moreno will get better.
Sorry to come across harsh. Not intentional. I just think your dreaming a little too much here. And what we got is currently too much as it stands. With said players potentially leaving. It will help balance the squad out no end.

22 Jul 2015 21:43:20
Essex

I am sorry Can is an attack minded defender and would struggle at DM and rosditter is a kid who ll have to play at the highest level with no room for ever. more pressure on the kid is a terrible idea.

DM is one hell of a position and no Milner or Ings could solve this.

Lovren had the protection at Southampton and where is it at Liverpool?

Lucas gets injured early and then we count stars. simple.

We need a player in the middle that would make the game tickle, someone dropping, Collecting the ball fr defense and and move forward. Not afraid to put some tackles when opposition breaks

The reason Benteke and Fellaini eased passed our midfield was we never had a top DM in the middle.

We have only Lucas at the moment and he Cannot play 50 games a season.

Remember Chelsea struggled when Matic was out injured / Suspended.

22 Jul 2015 23:08:31
We're in a far far better position than last year but agree a top DM is what our side really needs now - particularly if Lucas gets injured.

I do think we might yet see a Milner/Hendo/Coutinho midfield which will work against the weaker sides, likewise Can will be able to play DM and with experience will be a top player, but a top DM with plenty of experience to shore up defence against the top sides would make a big difference IMO.

23 Jul 2015 00:57:56
Can we just stop it with the negatives for once, everybody is entitled to their opinion, but we can't really give criticism on pre season , we should be looking at it as a fresh start ( hopefully) and should be excited to see how we do, not saying "were not strong enough here , here and there" without a ball being properly kicked! We have to show faith, nobody becomes a good player without being given a fair chance! YNWA

23 Jul 2015 02:21:52
Sorry for the negatives to everyone concerned:) just saying that it's always the wrong places we strengthen because BR is like a 9 year old fan in the transfer windows. United get sneiderlin and schweinsteger in the middle of the park. Chelsea went out and got matic and fabregas last year. Big yaya at city there with fernandinho and they still strengthened with Delph. The fact is I love Benteke I love firmino but the best signings for us so far are most likely Milner and Clyne. Not glamorous but do a great job. We can't COMPETE with the midfields ahead of us and it's a very important area. I mean Gerrard left and we didn't sign a player? If there's anyone who disagrees with me that our deep midfield player(s?) Can compete with the lads ahead of us that I outlined earlier than please just tell me which team we will finish ahead of and why. I mean we proved even in the 13/14 season that we couldn't score enough goals to outdo our terrible defence. That's with sas scoring 55 between them. Since then stevie left and we have signed no holding players and we have signed 1 first team cb that has been underwhelming. I feel that we needed to strengthen there. I mean Ings may go to 10 mil? Could a cb not have come in? A decent one with a bit of xp? Or a holding mid? Let Allen off? Origi was coming, Benteke, stirridge here and one of borini and balotelli probably not moving on means ings wasn't nessesary. I just feel the team is very top heavy with regards QUALITY and the defence will let us down again. How many points over the last 2 years has mignolet been responsible for dropping? So? We buy. bogdan. Ok cool how's begovic? I dunno maybe I'm playing to much Football manager but I just feel we need to a dress the positions that let us down last year.

22 Jul 2015 15:38:49
Hi guys first time poster. Just thought i'd look at the positive re the time it takes us to complete medicals and get a signing over the line. At least we won't have to stay up on deadline day as the medical would need to start 5 or 6 days before. Ha ha just joking. Really excited for the coming season

22 Jul 2015 17:39:34
I'd say case by case basis basically. Players injuries records and bodies/health in general differs also.

22 Jul 2015 16:11:15
Damn it in my post about Rossiter I forgot to include the question I meant to ask. Since I have seen him play only 4 times I don't really know what kind of midfield role he plays, is he a defensively smart player? Is he box to box etc. Anyone who can help will be appreciated. thank you.

22 Jul 2015 16:53:11
Defensive mid. He's good on the ball though and his distribution is very good

22 Jul 2015 17:03:49
At his best he's box to box he tackles like flanno (not a knock down) unfortunately he's far too small atm (he looks like joe allens kid brother) he can score and pass and tackle he's just too small

22 Jul 2015 17:25:39
He's stronger than he looks, doesn't get pushed around at all

22 Jul 2015 18:06:35
He needs a proper loan and need game time preferably in championship as there wouldn't be takers with in PL.
He needs to build up especially being a midfielder in PL.

22 Jul 2015 19:54:19
Kid just needs games

23 Jul 2015 00:27:07
Loans don't mean much. If that was the case, Harry Kane would have never seen the field.

22 Jul 2015 14:59:26
My aunts next door neighbours sisters husband is friends with this guy who's nans boyfriends brothers work colleague knows a guy who hasn't got any liverpool rumours for us whatsoever!

22 Jul 2015 16:01:48
I can confirm post , but as I've never met or heard of the guy I'm sure the info isn't correct or even relevant , but I'll take it with a pinch of salt and say we'll sign Messi in the morning

22 Jul 2015 15:14:56
I don't believe a single word of this. TELL US ALL ABOUT REUS NOW!!!

22 Jul 2015 15:27:57
10/10 would believe all rumours again

22 Jul 2015 15:43:27
I heard that as well. From a circus knife-thrower I met in a phone box while he was rehearsing.

22 Jul 2015 14:11:31
Hi Eds, regarding this rumour of Sakho to Roma. I'm not sure I fully understand the FFP Rules but as we've spent about 80M so far this window and have received about 50M (Sterling & Coates), is there a need to sell someone like Sakho as I don't see us getting much for Borini, Enrique, Balotelli. Thanks.

{Ed001's Note - we need to sell people yes.}

22 Jul 2015 15:51:11
We have got to reduce the amount of players we have on our books at senior level. We are overloaded with defenders and midfielders

22 Jul 2015 17:45:29
Will be a terrible move selling Mamadou he's a great centre half who will hopefully get better. Agreed we need money in now to balance the books but I'd hope we are looking to recoup this through selling

Lambert.
Balotelli
Borini.
Enrique.

And possibly Allen and Lucas (as I don't think Rodger's wants him). If these all did leave I'd expect a new midfielder (illaramendi or Kovacic) and that would be all the business completed .

Loans a different kettle of fish obviously. I'd say the possible players who could go on loan would be between.

Rossiter.
Teixera.
Wisdom.
Gomez.
Yesil
Ojo.
Sinclair (if still with us).

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying all these will be loaned but I do think it will be out of these who are loaned.

22 Jul 2015 14:17:34
Even though this is highly unlikely because I think balotelli will be sold at some point before the window shuts but if for whatever reason he ends up a Liverpool player come the end of the window do you think the club would go in with 5 strikers or will they loan out one of origi or ings. It's a hypothetical situation but I would like to know what your thoughts are on it.

22 Jul 2015 15:52:11
no we'll just convert them to midfielders. You can never have too many midfielders - ask brendon.

22 Jul 2015 15:31:13
I'm sure borini or ballotelli would be loaned before either of those

22 Jul 2015 13:27:02
Just spoke to an Aston Villa season ticket holder in work. His exact words to me were:

"Liverpool fans don't know what player they're getting"

Very positive.

22 Jul 2015 14:49:47
So we might not be signing Benteke ? God I hope we don't get agbonlaghor . Lol
Jamesee

22 Jul 2015 15:51:22
haha cracking jamesee!

22 Jul 2015 16:46:54
haha @ Jamsee

Sorry, "What a player"

22 Jul 2015 11:09:30
Eds can anyone shed any light on my question?

I remember Benteke being just a monster in his first campaign for villa and since then he has wanted a move but also had two big Injury's to his hip and Achilles.

Has his drop in form the past 2 years been due to sulking or injury's ?

Has he lost any pace? Can he get back to that first season Benteke if be gets his attitude sorted?

{Ed002's Note - It is simply nonsense. They player will need to accept being trashed and abused by a large number of supporters - it is the Liverpool way after all.}

22 Jul 2015 12:37:59
I think, Ed002 you will find there are a large number of supporters from all clubs that trash players. I for one, don't agree with it but it isn't 'The Liverpool Way' its English football fans in general. Kind of like me saying its the Ed002 way because you 'trash' Liverpool fans asking a perfectly normal question. Not right is it?

{Ed002's Note - No other pages has anything like the levels of abuse that the so called Liverpool fans give past, present and future players, the owners are under constant abuse from those who want a sugar daddy, the management the coaching staff and everyone else. By a light year the worst.}

22 Jul 2015 12:49:26
He's a beast for gods sake, he's already firing one in two. That's 20 goals a season, with a few more good players around him can easily make that 25 maybe with a bit of luck 30.

22 Jul 2015 11:37:07
Very well reply eds.

22 Jul 2015 11:57:12
In fairness, ed, the injury question is a fair one, mostly because us fans are not well aware of the different types of injuries and how they impact a player.
From what I've seen, Benteke has recovered well from his injury, and I wouldn't think he has lost any of his physicality. As for the attitude, browsing through the Villa forums I do not see many complaints. He does have dips in form throughout the season, but this is entirely different, and the reason we have a rotational squad. So again, I do not think we will have any problem there.
Let us just hope that the system and the tactics are well sorted for this season, and we might just see a surprising number of goals from Benteke - ultimately, I think it is the diversity of his skills that has won Rogers over, and which might be deciding factor in him establishing himself as a top name, provided the midfield behind him live up to their creative potential which is rather substantial.

{Ed002's Note - Tell us about this attitude problem that needs to be "sorted" then?}

22 Jul 2015 12:25:15
benteke scored 11 goals in his last 13 games for villa last season. i woudn't worry

22 Jul 2015 12:51:35
As it is the way of most football clubs

{Ed002's Note - No, this is one area where Liverpool are trailblazers.}

22 Jul 2015 13:53:52
At least we're top of something.

Light humour no umbrellas Ed002 =[

22 Jul 2015 13:00:17
Ed

Theres more abuse on here because its your busiest page, I think in general most fans are the same wherever you go.

22 Jul 2015 13:29:38
Goal scoring ratio isn't a measure of his form tbh.

What I mean by that is in his first season he was incredible and the goals came because of his level of play.

The other 2 seasons seem to be more getting the ball tl him more directly to get the goals.

First season villa played counter attack, direct play etc they played really well but for the past few seasons they seem to have had to play more direct to christian.

I was curious as wether this was because maybe be slowed down through injurys or he wasn't putting himself about as much because of his attitude. Tbh I'm more worried about Torres and his injurys and wondering wether that has happened to benteke.

Sorry for bothering you ed2.

22 Jul 2015 13:49:26
Maybe on these sites as you will get a lot of keyboard warriors and people who haven't got a clue. I don't come on the banter page a lot due to this but can't imagine its the same at the grounds. I don't agree with bashing players or managers until they have had a chance to prove themselves. Its not the 'Liverpool way' for all fans

22 Jul 2015 14:26:48
The way the moronic questions like this could be avoided is by actually searching and reading the posts. His injuries and apparent sulking has all been covered in great depth over the last few weeks. The fact the original poster has no idea about bentekes form the last few months of the season really shows a total lack of football interest. If I was checking the league table every 6 months and watching 3 games a year i'd probably be asking the same questions.

22 Jul 2015 14:48:21
Differnet manager and the need to get points on the board would have influenced the style of play. Like I said there has been in depth articles on this.

22 Jul 2015 14:50:52
Goal scoring isn't a measure of form? It's pretty much the 1 major point he is judged as a success or failure on. Who's cares what you classify as form as if they are doing exactly what they are paid for.

22 Jul 2015 14:59:36
So what you are saying swish is you have to be a in depth week by week supporter to post on here? The page is open all, I think you need to stop trying to sound like a Ed and realise what you've just said, is in fact, totally ridiculous. Some supporters will gain knowledge from this site and may be just starting to show a interest in football, i'd advise anybody who falls into that bracket to not listen to people like Swish.

22 Jul 2015 15:26:51
Anfield Apple that's not what I'm saying. But If people took time to read some posts - any posts they would see the eds repeated responses of 'read the posts or try the search engine' as a first point of call. If the eds were to spend all their time actually responding to each and everyone one of these then it wouldn't leave much time or effort to respond to unusual or genuinely valid questions or pride general opinion. That to me is what makes the site valuble, interactive and enjoyable. I'm by no means the ' question police' but if people put so little effort into reading the site surely they can only expect a similar level of response?

22 Jul 2015 13:22:09
But Ed002 this is also by far the most active page on this forum, which is probably why there is a staggering level of abuse towards, well, everyone connected with the club.

{Ed002's Note - It is but the other sites have near none. After most games 90% is abuse. Look at the abuse the likes of Benteke, Milner etc. have had.}

22 Jul 2015 13:33:29
In fairness a lot is abuse, but personally don't think it is wrong if you think a player isn't good enough if you explain or debate it as long you don't abuse the player (is a fine line) as is something most people pay good money for - if you paid for food and it was terrible have a right to complain but similarly isn't on the shout or abuse the staff - not saying I'm innocent of it but try my best.

Worry about how he fits in as we don't cross the ball or play it long (not that I believe we should swap to that but think mixing it up is good and is an option he offers - see drogba) but if you ignore him and studge playing together can see how it could work well! Just a toss up to if he fits in against having an out an out striker which i remember nearly everyone complaining about us lacking last season!

As for form, villa have struggled massively over the past 2-3 seasons and imagine that makes thinks a lot harder especially when your the player expected to win every game. Will be pressure on him at Liverpool but will have Milner, Henderson, sturridge, lallana, firmino, coutinho etc who will be expected to win games where at villa they didn't have those other players to rely on. Can argue agbonglahor but never been a big scorer, though produced the odd winner.

22 Jul 2015 13:48:46
Interesting Ed002, I wasn't trolling you by the way I just don't quite understand why the original poster warranted the 'Liverpool fans are this that and what ever' rant as it was a question to do with a previous injury on a player we are signing? previously operating a reasonably successful football site myself, I personally haven't come across the individual issues you have had with Liverpool supporters, that's all I am saying.

22 Jul 2015 14:49:53
now es i'm not having a dig or anything at you or the site as i think this is a great site but i agree with yo that the majority of fans who come on this site are pessimistic, now i don't know the numbers of registered users here or the number of visitors here but the fans here can't surely represent all the fans liverpool have as usual a minority of fans pessimistic attitude is being used to represent the total fan base and might be a bit unfair, but i agree on here they are a cackle of bitches (lol) all complaining and thinking the grass is greener on the other side of the fence. just my two cents from sitting on the splintered fence.

{Ed002's Note - Ask any of the old school supporters like Waro what they think of the new breed and see what they have to say.}

22 Jul 2015 17:22:53
To be fair swish I haven't seen a post were the eds have said the injurys have or haven't affected him. So how do I search that ?

I come on here everyday so I know pretty much all the posts on here, if I ask something its because I don't feel its been addressed previous !!

The sane goes for if 2 weeks ago the eds said something about Benteke, then its fair to be able to ask the same question 2 weeks later to see if there have been any developments.

Granted not with questions that dint have changing outcomes but if its a case of are we going to for reus and the eds say I haven't heard anything then for 2 weeks the papers are blabbering on about it then its fair to come on and see if the eds have hears anything in the 2 weeks since it last got asked

You need to stop acting like a milk monitor on this page though, if you are only here to make yourself feel better by putting people down and trolling then there's no point tbh pal.

I still haven't had an answer foe my question but I don't suppose I will but ill ask again in shorter terns.

Have Betekes 2 major injury's affected him and is he able to get back to the monster from the 12/13 season?

22 Jul 2015 23:35:44
Mestro some guy posted a big summary written by a villa fan a few days ago. Essentially he said he wasn't injury prone and that it hadn't really affected him.

22 Jul 2015 08:36:19
With Liverpool linked to both marco reus and mario gotze in the press I was wondering if the eds knew the position of the forest of money trees growing at melwood.

22 Jul 2015 09:09:47
Oh and lcazette too oh and then there's Pedro. Looks like Ayre has found Treasure Island

22 Jul 2015 09:47:29
Yeah our stingy owners need to dig up another hundred million so we don't miss out on all our Top Targets. Then we can have an unstoppable team with our new 0-0-10-0 formation.
Mignolet, Ibe, Gotze, Menez, Firmino, Markovic, Pedro, Couthinho, Turan, Lallana, Reus. Magic! :)

22 Jul 2015 09:55:51
Due diligence has been done and we have been bought by the Count of Monte Cristo. Expect more transfers and swordplay at half time intervals.

22 Jul 2015 10:01:46
Don't forget Schneider been a while since his name was mentioned

22 Jul 2015 10:12:09
No keeper and only ten men?

22 Jul 2015 12:19:02
Reynard, I hear Rodgers has been kept around because he's a dab hand with a Rapier

22 Jul 2015 13:52:22
You guys have got it wrong. I thought it was torres suarez macherano and alonso that are coming in.

22 Jul 2015 13:53:10
Excellent news! Now that we're owned by a fictional Count we can make all the super expensive fictional signings we want. :)

Higgins are you referring to my formation? It's perfect!
Mignolet with his awesome distribution picking out any one of the 10 attacking midfielders who will all then do cartwheels and somersaults before banging in the goals. We can't lose!

22 Jul 2015 14:28:54
Not to mention Liverpool are allowed to field 15 attacking players per games next season. We have done spending to do!

22 Jul 2015 06:38:37
Congratulations on your engagement Ed001.

{Ed001's Note - thank you teddy.}

22 Jul 2015 07:35:00
Wait aren't you a married man Ed001? I remember you talking about your missus or maybe that was Ed002?

{Ed001's Note - Ed002 is the married ed mate, I have always avoided marriage in the past.}

22 Jul 2015 07:55:51
Best wishes on your engagement Ed001.

22 Jul 2015 08:00:39
Congratz mate, Have fun.

22 Jul 2015 09:06:50
Poor bloke :/

22 Jul 2015 08:35:33
I assume our wedding invites are in the post?

{Ed001's Note - oh yes mate of course.}

22 Jul 2015 09:22:19
Let's hope you're not silly enough to have your wedding during the season :)

{Ed001's Note - I already said to her a summer wedding next year would be best....}

22 Jul 2015 10:18:22
I remember going to a wedding when the World Cup final was on and there was a TV in the corner.
They are divorced now.

22 Jul 2015 09:57:42
Congratulations Ed

All the best

{Ed001's Note - thank you MarcO.}

22 Jul 2015 10:00:32
Best wishes to you and your intended Ed001. may your intended nuptials be a sign that success will finally come back to Anfield. If success comes and you announce that you're getting a divorce, you will be chased down like a dog and forced to stay in this marriage forever! Lol, kidding aside, I wish you and your fiance every success for a wonderful future together.

{Ed001's Note - I would be too scared to divorce her after seeing what she did when the hairdresser cut her fringe too short!}

22 Jul 2015 10:07:15
Congratulations Ed001. If you want to get married, you would do best to shut-up and let year fiance manage the event. That is how it works, man.

{Ed001's Note - that is exactly what I am doing. She is the boss lol}

22 Jul 2015 10:38:39
I heard from the lad in the coffee shop that Harry will be the best man and bridesmaid.

{Ed001's Note - and flower girl.}

22 Jul 2015 10:38:45
You would of got less of a sentence for murder ed and don't forget the women is always right

{Ed001's Note - oh believe me I know that one. No matter what we disagree on she is always right. Apparently.}

22 Jul 2015 10:42:08
Will the other eds gather to throw rice at you Agent 01?

{Ed001's Note - they usually throw stones at me, so I am not sure I would be safe....}

22 Jul 2015 10:51:29
Congratulations ed001!

{Ed001's Note - thank you very much RN.}

22 Jul 2015 11:04:05
And there's my Mrs and myself who are getting married in April next year then off on a family holiday/honeymoon for two weeks from June 9th onwards. Then we realised how well wales are doing in the euros and we'll be away over the euros!

{Ed001's Note - probably best to miss the bit when they lose mate.}

22 Jul 2015 11:06:18
congrats ed001 mate all the very best for the future

{Ed001's Note - thank you mate I appreciate that.}

22 Jul 2015 11:12:54
Where is the stag party going to be Ed001

{Ed001's Note - Ed007 tells me we are doing a massage parlour crawl through Deira......}

22 Jul 2015 11:45:10
congrats ed001 . i hope its on ed002 you are engaged to . my wishes for quality family time ahead. hope the Mrs would join the site too.

{Ed001's Note - thanks mate but the missus has no interest in footie so she would probably end up on our Lakers site and never know the difference lol.}

22 Jul 2015 11:58:33
Ed001
Will be looking forward to the invite mate. Given I must have been the first excluding the eds to wish you on the movies page;-):-D
Just kidding mate. Get marriages on the day we play spurs. As in yiu don't watch that match

{Ed001's Note - ahhh good thinking Reet!!}

22 Jul 2015 12:12:08
Congratulations Ed001 on your Engagement

{Ed001's Note - thank you mate.}

22 Jul 2015 12:20:23
Does that mean a Ed001jr is on his/her way?

:D

{Ed001's Note - not yet mate.}

22 Jul 2015 12:56:54
Get ready to hear "I was thinking for the wedding" about a million times haha. Congratulations though :)

{Ed001's Note - cheers mate, and I will look forward to that......honest.}

22 Jul 2015 13:02:20
Oh lol sorry about that mixup! Well anyway, congrats Ed, let's just hope she won't keep you away from this site too often!

{Ed001's Note - she will no doubt be making me edit to get some peace mate.}

22 Jul 2015 13:04:01
Congrats on the Engagement Ed001

{Ed001's Note - thank you.}

22 Jul 2015 13:14:44
congrats ed wish you luck , i gather you won't be on here much, house choirs

{Ed001's Note - I doubt it will affect that, she works long hours anyway in server support and is often on call, so I will be on here all that time.}

22 Jul 2015 13:31:53
Congratulations ed. wishing you all the best mate .

{Ed001's Note - thank you Wassa.}

22 Jul 2015 13:48:46
Congrats Mate

{Ed001's Note - thank you.}

22 Jul 2015 13:57:09
"I have always avoided marriage in the past"

Ed001, you let your guard down man! Poor form!


But seriously, congrats buddy. Have you been with him long? D:

{Ed001's Note - she destroyed all the defences I had built up mate.}

22 Jul 2015 14:10:01
Congrats and welcome to the club, Ed01! We have reserved a sit filled with marital bliss, right here for you, LOL!

{Ed001's Note - by bliss do you actually mean misery? And thank you ohio, I am looking forward to it.}

22 Jul 2015 14:12:18
Congrats mate!

May I suggest a stag party in Bahrain - its not know as the whorehouse of Saudi Arabia for nothing!!

Also a bit more lax on the old drinking laws!

{Ed001's Note - believe me there is no problem getting hookers here. I am just about the only white guy in the area, so they must think I am here looking for a cheap hooker and so they all block you in the street and follow you around wherever you go. Mind it worked out well earlier as I dived in a shop to get away from one particularly persistent one and found a really cheap comp that you plug in to a TV. So I finally have a PC again.}

22 Jul 2015 14:50:06
Congratulations mate, married life is great and I'm talking from experience! Just agree with whatever she has to say and you won't go far wrong! ;)

{Ed001's Note - you are right there, whenever I do disagree I am totally wrong. So she tells me anyway.}

22 Jul 2015 15:52:21
Congratulations edd , love being married as I'm sure you will to . One tip , tell her she's "the best at " cooking , ironing , taking out the bins and washing up . It'll bring your faults down to two , everything you say and everything you do , ha ha

{Ed001's Note - if I ever see her do any of those things I will be sure to do so.....
Oh believe me she will find more faults, I have many.}

22 Jul 2015 16:09:50
Ed1 congratulations on your engagement mate, as your stressful move been sorted yet to make life easier for you?

{Ed001's Note - sadly no, still stuck in this hotel trying to find somewhere as the agent on the place we tried to get let us down badly.}

22 Jul 2015 15:46:06
👍 welcome to the land of the suffering ed, all the best for the future for yourself and Mrs ed001

{Ed001's Note - thank you mate.}

22 Jul 2015 17:08:09
Wow! Congrats. So the Eds really do have lives beyond receiving insults on here! Congrats, Ed001. You and your future wife will never walk alone.

{Ed001's Note - thank you mate, it is the first time I have ever had a real life outside of this place!}

22 Jul 2015 18:13:28
ed001 with a pc now? do video games review mate on the video game page.

congratulations ed001, best wishes to you.

{Ed001's Note - it is not a very good one, but it runs Civ 5 (just) so I am happy. And thank you Kaizer, I appreciate that.}

22 Jul 2015 19:40:06
Congratulations ed001 - wish you all the best for the future.

{Ed001's Note - thank you Seano, though I think it is my missus that needs the wishes!}

23 Jul 2015 19:41:47
CONGRATULATIONS Ed001!

{Ed001's Note - thank you Maple.}

21 Jul 2015 23:47:28
Hi all

Just watched a YouTube clip of Firmino vs Depay. I know those sort of clips can be very misleading, but if you aren't sure about Firmino's quality I'd encourage you to check it out.

Anyway it got me thinking and I was wondering who you guys think will have a better first season? Firmino has the advantage of being a bit older and has played in a harder league ( no disrespect to the Dutch league). I personally think that Depay will turn out to be the better buy, but Firmino may have a better first season.

Thoughts?

22 Jul 2015 04:27:45
I think depay was the better purchase, but who knows. We will be in the position to judge pretty soon.

22 Jul 2015 04:59:30
Depay is better I think, he has everything to succeed. Firmino also has a lot a quality, of course, but he lacks the physical aspect and the power of Depay

22 Jul 2015 06:09:01
Liverpool's concrete interest in DEPAY shows he is an excellent player.

22 Jul 2015 06:14:34
Think Firmino will have a better debut season but expect Depay to make a bigger impact over a long period of time - nothing about him being "better", just that his style is more sorted to the premier league (pace, power).

22 Jul 2015 07:10:41
Depay seems to score many more goals (including his first for ManU in their recent friendly).

22 Jul 2015 08:50:12
If wishes were horses, we'd have both.

22 Jul 2015 09:09:29
In 2014 Firmino was ranked as the 4th best player on earth behind just Messi, Ronaldo and Reus.

Depay is still a kid. What a silly question. Firmino is on another level entirely right now.

22 Jul 2015 09:35:33
Ems ranked according to who?

22 Jul 2015 10:01:28
According to EMS mate, if Liverpool would have signed him u can bet your bottom dollar he would of posted a post about how Depay was a far better pick etc.

22 Jul 2015 10:01:50
Neither Reus or Firmino are in the top 4 in the world, or even the top 20 hardly.

22 Jul 2015 10:06:24
You cannot really answer this, as much is dependent upon how the team around them plays. We could quite easily make Firmino look bad or good. and the same can be said of Man Utd and Depay. Firmino is our player and so I hope that his strengths will shine through this coming season.

22 Jul 2015 10:24:34
Not seen enough of either to be fair.
Both have good reputations and are obviously talented.
If your going to push me for an answer I would say firmino will have the better season, older, currently better, already moved country once so it won't be much of a culture shock, especially coming from Germany, he also links up well with coutinho so there is already one player at the club who knows his game and can link up well.
United have a good player there though.

22 Jul 2015 11:09:15
for me it has to be firmino because he is a brazilian and he is a liverpool player

22 Jul 2015 11:30:21
According to Who Scored.

Hence why Firmino and Reus have been linked with Barcelona and Depay has been linked with Man United and Newcastle.

I can only assume none of you claiming Depay is better have ever seen either play, because it's not even open for debate.

22 Jul 2015 12:23:27
Ah the stats are out again.

They have firmino 9th, They also have James Rodriguez 7th over all.
Says everything you need to know. I thought you were a sqwaka man any way.You were 2 years ago

I love how when stats go your way,they are the most relevant information,yet when they don't you put in little caveats and say to other who use stats,''stats are only reliable when used in conjuction with other factors'' or ''stats aren't everything''


It's kinds cute really.

22 Jul 2015 12:56:41
I'm with ems here! People tho king otherwise are judging it on hopes and dreams!

22 Jul 2015 13:55:44
EMS where are you making this up from? Whoscored has Firmino as 9th followed by Naldo! Says a lot about those ratings.

Not saying that Firmino isn't better, but that is awful justification. For the record, I think Firmino is better now but Depay will be better

22 Jul 2015 14:53:10
Stats mean NOTHING on the field of play which is the true reality of the game. Nobody knows who will be better btw the two because only time will tell so what`s the point asking especially if bias is involved in such a prediction as it clearly is here?

22 Jul 2015 15:32:36
Adam with a shocker, Depay was linked with LIVERPOOL, BAYERN AND PSG. says a lot about Liverpool then?