Liverpool Banter Archive January 22 2016

22 Jan 2016 23:07:28
It's funny how most people on here (me included) haven't seen teixeira play, yet are delighted at the prospect of signing him.

23 Jan 2016 00:52:44
unless he's truly special, i'd rather not buy him.

22 Jan 2016 22:36:17
Hi Eds, I don't post much but read the site daily. I just had a quick question regarding Gaston Ramirez. He was heavily linked with liverpool and was raved about but it never happened for him at Southampton. What happened? Poor attitude? Lack of ability? Off field issues? I know it's probably not for the Liverpool page but I was just wondering if one of the eds had a quick view on it.

Cheers!

{Ed002's Note - Try t
he search engine - I dealt with this over and over at the time.}

22 Jan 2016 20:42:17
In your opinion ed001 do you think the teixeira deal will happen?

{Ed001's Note - my opinion is that it won't. I can't see their owner budging on the valuation and it seems unlikely we would pay that much without shifting some out first.}

22 Jan 2016 21:26:35
Could be that Allen is lined up to leave this window. Just a thought but there has been stories for a while so maybe they will come in.

22 Jan 2016 21:39:48
Although I feel like we should walk away from the deal. I can't help but feel we will end up paying way over the odds for a a player who yes has quality but isn't even a striker!

22 Jan 2016 21:32:22
Thanks for the reply.

22 Jan 2016 23:20:49
Spot on, KLOPPO!

22 Jan 2016 23:30:43
I don't really give a damn if he's a striker or not. Just because we are littered with AM's, that doesn't mean they are all good enough. We also have a lot of strikers, but these same people seem to forget that.

22 Jan 2016 23:56:48
I doubt shifting Allen for him is a good idea, unless of course klopp likes the look of Jesus Stewart ;)

22 Jan 2016 20:19:49
Sorry if this is a stupid question but if we do sign teixeira would he have any problems getting a work permit?

Thanks.

{Ed001's Note - I do not believe that would be an issue.}

22 Jan 2016 20:57:36
Thanks ed.

{Ed001's Note - you are welcome mate.}

22 Jan 2016 20:57:41
I think I read somewhere that he would likely be refused a work permit in the first instance but in all likelihood would get it on appeal.

{Ed001's Note - price and wages add up towards a points system, which is why we gave Grujic a high salary to get his work permit. I believe we would just do the same if need be with Teixeira or any other signing.}

23 Jan 2016 00:11:14
I found this in an article, apprently you need at least 4 points for a work permit and below are the ways:The value of the transfer fee being paid for the player is in the top 25 per cent of all transfers to Premier League clubs in the previous two windows - 3 points
The value of the transfer fee being paid for the player is between the 50th and 75th percentage of all transfers to Premier League clubs in the previous two windows - 2 points
The wages being paid to the player by the applicant club is in the top 25 per cent of the top 30 earners at the club - 3 points
The wages being paid to the player by the applicant club are between the 50th and 75th percentage of all the top 30 earners at the club - 2 points
The player's current club is in a top League and the player has played in 30 per cent or more of the available domestic league minutes - 1 point
The player's current club has played in the group stages or onwards of the Champions League, Europa League or the Copa Libertadores within the last 12 months and the player has played in 30 per cent or more of the available domestic league minutes - 1 point.

22 Jan 2016 17:55:09
I would absolutely love for the teixeira rumours to be true but let's be honest wht we want we never get lol mkhitaryan willian konoplyanka anytime we deal with the ukranians unless the eds knows somerhing we dnt because o haven't heard anything since yesterday.

22 Jan 2016 18:34:19
Apparently he has come out and said he would like to join liverpool and thinks a deal can be made.

22 Jan 2016 19:13:51
Look guys don't hold out to much hope on this one . how many deals has Ian Ayres ballsed up in the past . more chance of him going somewhere else after yesterday . think JK will wait til the summer, and I think there will be 5/ 6 players coming in . only IMO . great work Eds.

22 Jan 2016 19:47:51
Shaktar want £39m (€50m) . They have made their position clear. They will not negotiate below that line and will not entertain bids below that.

22 Jan 2016 16:49:20
I don't know how feasible it is or anything but, instead of selling Sturridge to West Ham or someone I would much rather see him on a pay as you play contract for some daft amount when he does play and then only play him against the likes of United, Chelsea, City, Tottenham, Arsenal and big cup games, Europe etc. Then I would wrap him up in cotton wool until the next time one of those hames came around to keep him fit.
Someone to give the edge in those big games.
Like I say, unsure how that works and hopefully he can make a full recovery, just a scenario.

{Ed002's Note - Contractually the club cannot change his contract like that Andy.}

23 Jan 2016 01:14:13
why would sturridge end his 15ok a week contract to change it to pay as you play? we can't even get him fit for ANY game let alone only for the big games? even if we could what if those games are back to back? reality is, we have been waiting too long for him to get back. had we cut our losses a year ago and bought someone of a similar style we would have got more money for him and would no doubt have been higher up in the league ( i know hindsight is a wonderful thing! ) best thing now i feel is to move him on ( if we can) and have a fresh start for all. could also benefit sturridge as well and hopefully he gets back to his best- would be a shame if his career is effectively over.

22 Jan 2016 16:41:58
Hi all,

I am not a 100% sure we should be looking to spend big in this transfer window as there aren't the players out there who we need. Firstly we need to get rid of a lot of players who are average at best which will have to wait until the summer anyhow!
I think we should be trying to bed in a few youngsters like ilori and see if they could be useful for next season. Some of the youngsters have shown a bit of promise so let them at it and let them get experience under their belt!
We must have one of the worst transfer records and the amount of money wasted is incredible. Plus the club need to look after the financial side more than ever!

22 Jan 2016 17:37:50
100% agree

(Except we need a new keeper)

22 Jan 2016 15:47:04
AHOY - for all Liverpool fans who follow the MLS - lifelong red Liam Doyle has been drafted to play for DC United in the MLS. He turned down a number of League 1 clubs over the past two years to finish his degree in the US and has been picked up by the MLS. DC United play LA Galaxy first game of the season would be a pleasure to see him on the same pitch as SG and Robbie Keane.

He is a unit who could make a name for himself - proves there is more than one way to make it to the pro game other than the Academy Farms and endless disappointments.

Where would you rather make your pro debut Prenton Park or Los Angeles?

BOILED ONIONS.

22 Jan 2016 16:13:50
In terms of hopes to one day play in the worlds biggest tournaments? Probably Prenton park. In terms of where I'd like to live? LA. It's all horses for courses - whether he'll actually play, whether he'll be good enough, whether they look after him right or bigger clubs ever want him, whether his degree is worth anything to him if he never hits the football big time and needs another career. come back in 5 years on this one!

22 Jan 2016 16:39:53
He'd probably make more money in League 1, to be honest. MLS minimum for younger players is about £500 a week.

22 Jan 2016 17:46:26
Certainly not Prenton Park with all them anti-scouse wools.

22 Jan 2016 15:31:19
I love reading this site hoping for some breaking rumour from the eds or macca but I can't stomach reading some of the tripe people ask. FSG are based in the states we have been told a meeting could possibly have been scheduled anyway with them. Who knows 100% that that Ayre has returned empty handed.? .? . If he's returned at all yet. Our first offer won't be accepted and we are probably going to have to splash some SERIOUS cash to land this boy. Some people are too eager and the assumptions are getting a bit lame now! On to Sturridge though, if anyone is willing to pay the reported 18m then I'd bite their hands off. Both if them! I think we've had his best season, deadly when fit but a lot of money on wages just to keep the medical team busy!

22 Jan 2016 14:31:57
Well done edd for not keeping us in the dark over the proposed moved for texeira. At least this one can be put to bed and won't rumble on for the whole window. AMEN YNWA.

22 Jan 2016 15:09:34
Have I missed something?

22 Jan 2016 13:53:07
Question for ya Lads, Ed01.

It's been a long time since i myself have seen ilori play, it would be back when he was with sporting. Now he hasn't played enough since then but I would imagine he hasn't regressed a whole lot in that time either. He still has a decent bit of pace, can pass well with composure and control, likes being on the ball, can put in a decent challenge and was/ is somewhat tactically aware and technically gifted. Would there in your opinions be an opportunity for him to apprentice himself to Lucas. Instead of becoming an out and out centre back does he have what's required to become a decent defensive midfielder? Either sitting in front of the back 4 with 2 cm in front or part of CM partnership alongside say a Can or Hendo?

Lucas is our most effective player in that position and when he is not there and we need a player like him we struggle. It's not looking like a priority to buy a DM and there's not a whole lot out there to buy anyway.

It's just a thought, I'd prefer Can and Hendo to be box to box with more emphasis on driving us forward and from what I've seen of Thiago and the type of player he is he could be ideal for DM. Think he might get more chances to show what he is about playing there.

Could be a terrible idea or it could be brilliant, would be interesting to read others thoughts and opinions on whether he could do it.

In this moment, I Believe.

{Ed001's Note - I didn't think he did a lot wrong at centre back, he was very composed in the Exeter replay, though he was never under enough pressure to judge him properly. I would like to see him get more games in that role, though it might be worth training him up as a holding midfielder, he has the mobility and range of passing to be extremely effective in a holding role. Maybe try him coming on late, in the way Kolo Toure has been used, to just sit and defend a lead late on, see if he does have promise.}

22 Jan 2016 14:34:14
I'm really only replying because that was a great post Jax. I don't know enough about player positioning to know if that's a great idea but you convinced me!

22 Jan 2016 15:13:52
Cheers lads, I thought he looked ok against Exeter considering the lack of match fitness he would be dealing with. He has shown to a degree that he will become a good defender in time, he has what it takes to be great to be fair to the lad but if we can sort our defensive issues out and Ward answers all our prayers in goal I think Thiago could become the rock in front of our defensive while being a major contributor and pivot point to our team when we switch from defence to attack. The only negative I could ever lay at Lucas' feet would be pace, apart from that he has pretty much everything you want from a DM whilst being steadfastly loyal, passionate, determined and having nothing but love for our great club, to have Thiago learn from and be mentored by Lucas (among others) could produce not only a top talent and great player for us but one filled with pride of who he plays for and love for the club and family that is LFC. It's an old school way to look at things to an extant but it's one that's sorely missed and could really work wonders for us. It's part of the reason why I admire and wanted Klopp so much, he instils this into his players and builds his teams with these things in mind.

22 Jan 2016 15:17:49
Interesting thought although with his pace I could see him being a very good centre back as he would be able to utilize the pace sweeping more than he would in defensive midfield where for me it's more about positional knowledge for me and I'm not sure how he is on that as we can't really judge.
His pace could make up for his possible mis positioning however this for me is what a lot of poor cdms are like at the moment big and pacy and run slot but usually because they're at full pace when they make the tackle. Good thought for sure.

22 Jan 2016 16:02:15
Let's see him get some sub time against PL opposition and see how he copes with those guys, would be great to have a CB or apprentice CDM in the club already rather than spending more money.

22 Jan 2016 16:49:46
That sounds a great idea if the club was wise enough to actually release all the players we need too and utilise our current younger players a bit. I really like what he has to offer but I worry if he can naturally dominate his own box in the air. Premiership teams already try to attack us in this way so its defiantly a question mark over him atm. With his pace and ball playing it could be a perfect role for him.

{Ed002's Note - Financial disaster of course.}

22 Jan 2016 19:30:33
Spot on, Ed01. I thought Ilori did a decent job and was very calm and collected in possession. He does need games and training to develop but is quite a useful player.

22 Jan 2016 21:18:48
He was training as a DM at Aston Villa after they bought Richards.

22 Jan 2016 17:15:35
Ok for release substitute sell Ed002, my mistake ;)

{Ed002's Note - Money, that would be the issues N.}

22 Jan 2016 13:13:14
everybody is talking about strikers and the need to score more goals let's start to build from the back to the front we need a commanding keeper a solid hard as nails centre half and a midfielder who is not afraid to get stuck in. incidently when defending corners and set pieces whh take defenders off the posts its like amateurish defending.

22 Jan 2016 13:29:00
Migs has signed a 5 year deal. We should jiya move on from the fantasy of signing another keeper.

22 Jan 2016 14:09:08
I believe this is just to retain some of Mignolets value yes we need a better Goalkeeper but his stats speak for themselves top 3 clean sheets or something like that extending his contract make is seem like we are keeping him someone will buy him in the summer and we can move forward with Danny Ward and a New GK.

22 Jan 2016 14:32:45
Extending his contract was a poor decision by the club and manager. It's just that people doesn't want to believe as the manger is Klopp and not Brendan.

22 Jan 2016 12:54:51
It is nice to see klopp is sticking to his guns with sturridge it would be so easy at the moment to risk it but he has said at least ten more days before he can play means he's got a plan to get him fit!

22 Jan 2016 16:34:34
His patience will wear thin, for sure but i do applaud him for not making knee-jerk comments or reactions.

22 Jan 2016 12:26:01
Feels like there is a lot of nervous people awaiting news on transfer speculation!

22 Jan 2016 09:18:37
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this Teixeira fella is a number 10/ attacking midfielder? A position we already are overcrowded in? Lallana, coutinho, firmino? Is he what we really need? I'm unsure, seems unbalenced. How about a out and out centre forward? Or a ball winning midfielder?

22 Jan 2016 10:07:50
He plays on either wing as well.

22 Jan 2016 10:49:43
And can win a ball back/ tackle from what I have seen.

22 Jan 2016 10:58:19
Yeah but he's an effective one. Looks to be Lallanas replacement, Klopp must have seen enough already.

22 Jan 2016 11:02:39
He's very tenacious Piledriver. Picks up a fair few cards for his constant harassing of the opposition defence.

22 Jan 2016 12:18:00
He's better than what we have.

22 Jan 2016 12:19:52
I was thinking a little the same. Ukraine isn't exactly a top league, so hasn't proven himself in a top league, he's 26 so won't have much of a sell on. Is he the best option if we are going to spend £25 million plus?

22 Jan 2016 12:26:32
He has pace something we're laking in the squad.

22 Jan 2016 14:16:49
He can also play defensive mid or striker believe it or not.

22 Jan 2016 07:18:32
I don't know about everybody else but shouldn't the money supposedly being spent on teixeira be spent on an out and out striker considering a) the club is overrun with attacking midfielders and b) our current strikers are either injured or not performing.

However, having said that, I would be overjoyed if we do sign teixeira, I haven't seen much of him myself but have heard good things about him.

22 Jan 2016 07:56:36
But if Coutinho were to leave for, say, Barcelona in the summer then Texeira would be a good replacement? And he has the ability to score goals meaning he could contribute as a striker given our current injury woes. I would be staggered if we agreed to match what Shaktar are asking though and honestly the only way I see it happening is if it has already been decided that Coutinho will leave in summer for a large fee (which I would say is very much a possibility) - Shaktar are not going to accept what we have bid currently and the only way to offset another large outlay is through sales. Be interesting to see how it plays out.

22 Jan 2016 10:56:46
Guys maybe just not realising, what strikers are available and want to move (never mind to a struggling team no cl) mid season that we could realistically purchase? It's not as simple as saying we need a striker more or a keeper more, you can only buy players that are available/ willing to move. If and a big if we do manage to get a deal done for Alex and he is willing to move we will undoubtedly bee strengthening the 1st 11, read ems post about a 3 of coutinho firmino tiexera as a 3 or behind a striker it's scary good attack, don't forget the stick a lot give lallana/ Milner/ Ibe whilst trying to fill that right hand side of the 3. Massive improvement if can be attained.

22 Jan 2016 03:15:36
question, why do keepers try to guess where penalty takers are going to shoot, can't they react when the ball is shot?

i understand that some shooters hit really hard, but not all of them surely?

22 Jan 2016 04:32:02
they could react if they were saiyans.
humanly unless the shot is straight within reach it won't be possible for the keeper to get down/ or up quickly enough in time to save it. hence guess and have the advantage of body already being in motion in the direction of the shot. for more clearer understanding watch a penalty save in ultra slow mo on youtube. you will see even b4 the ball is hit keeper is ready to move in a certain direction which they think the ball will be hit. keepers are only expected to save anything central in a penalty. also penalties don't count on a keepers tab ( unless he was at fault for it) . a well placed penalty ( even if mildly hit) is difficult to save because the ball is going away from you, even if you get a hand to it you still might just end up parrying it into the net.
Also most people just blast the penalty that makes it even more tough. for any chance at saving a good penalty the keeper has to first judge where the ball will go and then prepare to dive in that direction ( all this b4 ball is hit) and then dive as soon as the spot kicker hits it. you could stand your ground if you are dead certain a paneka is coming ( something straight) . but then again its guesswork. so in short if he stands his ground and waits for the ball to be hit and then react he will reduce his chances of saving the goal because he has less time. premeditation is big part of keepers game and that's how they cut dangers. and most keepers are good at it, the best ones are just brilliant at it.

22 Jan 2016 05:23:27
its good to be smart and mix it up on penalty shootouts, but against good penalty takers its always smart to dive as early as you can.

22 Jan 2016 05:41:03
Because even if they're able to react to where the ball is going before it crosses the goal line, the keeper will still be too late.

22 Jan 2016 06:55:53
The ball travels faster than your mind and then your body.

22 Jan 2016 07:33:02
Some GK's look at the positioning of the Penalty Taker; that can also give you an indication of the direction he's intending to kick in.

{Ed001's Note - Xavi Valero used to instruct goalkeepers on this, he would also have dossiers prepared on all the potential penalty takers for the keeper to read before a match. Among the many other things that made him such a great coach, and one we should look to bring back.}

22 Jan 2016 07:47:57
In the 1990 world cup semi final shootout Peter Shilton waited until the ball was struck before diving. The result was although he went the right way every time he never got anywhere near saving any, The ball was just about past him before he started moving.

22 Jan 2016 08:04:40
@scruffy - I remember watching a football documentary discussing this idea which suggested that the width of the run up was key in determining which way the player was going to go. If it's a wide run up (from a right footed) then he is likely going to go to the keepers left. If more narrow the ball is more likely to be going the other side (or of course more centrally) . Narrow run ups also tend to be penalties containing more power.

The key though is that a penalty is a huge advantage to the attacking side - even if you guess, anticipate, move early and essentially do everything correct you are still not going to save a quality penalty.

22 Jan 2016 10:16:57
I was always taught to watch the takers standing foot just before he shoots. the way the foot I facing is the way he shoots in theory! again its split second decision making though.

22 Jan 2016 12:26:03
I always think I a shootout you should wait and try and react. My number one example is Italy vs England in the euros. If Joe hart doesn't dive to one corner, Pirlo dinks that into his hands and that's a massive confidence swing. Also out of 5, i'd say two will be poorly struck and saveable. If you guess, no matter how poor the penalty is you might go the wrong way. In the same way, you might guess and go the same way, and hit a great pen and you can't save it no matter what and just hold your hands up and say well done.

21 Jan 2016 23:19:23
Is it true that Liverpool could be about to spend another £30 million on a Brazilian?
My wife get's her's done for £15 quid a time!
Serious questions need asking.

22 Jan 2016 05:50:07
I hope hers let's your score more goals at least ;)

22 Jan 2016 05:59:50
Serious questions indeed action .

My wife hails from the 70's
She gets herself seen to twice a year,
by the guys down at the Lawnmower repair shop,
75 quid a time!

She must think I'm a bit thick though

Because, at first hand,
and on closer inspection,
things are a lot clearer,

But definitely not repaired 😬.

22 Jan 2016 06:03:03
No
1. His value is more than 30 mill. He is real class player.

2. We have no such money to spend on one player.

22 Jan 2016 06:04:00
Lol i like it. 7/ 10 on the scorecard.

22 Jan 2016 08:16:44
My wife gets hers done free by her best friend who happens to own the only bikini waxing salon in Liverpool

Her name is Anita Bush.

21 Jan 2016 22:28:41
Ed001 what did you think of Ilori's performances recently?

{Ed001's Note - never really had a chance to show what he could do, he did ok, but he will need to be put under more pressure to see what he can actually do.}