Liverpool Banter Archive February 22 2018
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22 Feb 2018 18:26:24
I dunno about everyone else but I'm looking forward to the next sharkopodš.
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22 Feb 2018 18:51:01
Really hope there is one before too long :)
22 Feb 2018 20:46:40
It seems like Ed2 has told us what he knows so far, I think it might be worth leaving it closer to the summer then he may have more info on other targets. But yeah, I still wouldn't mind one now :)
{Ed002's Note - I am technically homeless and need to be in Israel for about a week - prod me in a couple of weeks but as you say I think you have much of what I know. But you are all clearly in need of a little musical education still. Perhaps we can roll out the Caretakers of Deception - or maybe the Painted Ship's "Frustration" would be more suitable.}
22 Feb 2018 22:07:52
Two things I like about Sharkopod:
(1) Ed002's dulcet tones.
(2) The music. It's always excellent.
22 Feb 2018 21:30:39
Yeah Ed, stick some 'Caretakers of Deception - Cuttin' Grass' in there ha ha! - Have fun in Israel mate, who we signing from there then? lol :)
22 Feb 2018 21:41:44
Where in Israel Ed, spent some time in Tel Aviv in the last two years. Interesting country and city, both positive and negative. Getting there is the drama to end all dramas, lol.
{Ed002's Note - I am in Tel Aviv.}
22 Feb 2018 23:48:37
Hey ed002, Iāll put you up when youāre back from Israel. š.
23 Feb 2018 09:44:45
Great sports bar Mikes Place on the beach front, lots of tvs all showing different global sports. Watched some PL in there, decent American style food too. Puaa in Jaffa is great value and fantastic food, was a regular haunt and Hakovshim Bistro also great value and good food.
22 Feb 2018 18:11:03
Hi Ed's
What is the situation with de vrij are Liverpool in for him considering he is free to negotiate with other clubs.
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{Ed002's Note - Try the search engine.}
22 Feb 2018 21:42:16
De Vrij fancies Utd.
22 Feb 2018 23:01:32
Let's hope they go for him Mcgovebm too injury prone for us mate.
23 Feb 2018 10:56:56
Spot on, Salah. Utd can have him as he would blend well with their other sicknotes at CB in Bailly, Rojo and Jones.
22 Feb 2018 15:42:55
Just wondering on what the thoughts are of other supporters ahead of this summers transfer window.
I personally think it is going to be a very busy window for a lot of top clubs this summer. Both Barcelona and Real Madrid are looking at big squad overhauls. So that will mean them targeting premier league players and some of the big name players they are offloading heading to the premier league.
If Liverpool can get the summer transfer window right, then we can be major contenders. As some of our rivals such could be losing some of their best players to Barcelona or Real Madrid.
Man United could lose De Gea and possibly Pogba.
Chelsea could lose Courtois, Hazard and Azpilicueta.
Spurs could lose Alderweireld, Eriksen, Kane.
We need to attempt to address our goalkeeping situation as Mignolet and Ward are likely to leave. Ideally I would like us to sign Alisson (will face lots of competition) or Jan Oblak. I think we should try and sign the best goalkeeper we can and look at it as a 5-6 year minimum investment and spend a world record fee for a goalkeeper if necessary. If we cannot get one of them 2, I would stick with Karius as he is improving.
We will need to sign a right back, with Gomez most likely becoming a CB option next season and Trent Alexander- Arnold's long term future being in midfield. Maybe Thomas Meunier or Ricardo Pereira.
Centre backs I do not expect us to sign another centre back unless lovren or Matip were to move on. De Vrij on a free would be appealing though.
Left back likely to remain with Robbo and Moreno unless we can sign a top top left back, few are around unfortunately.
Midfield i expect a few changes, Emre Can looks as good as gone. We already have Keita coming in. There is a chance that Milner and or Lallana could move on. Marco verratti would be ideal. Very unlikely though. Lucas Torreira and Karim Demirbay have been linked. Possibly a creative midfielder who can score goals, can be looked at as well maybe Isco or James Rodriguez.
The front 3 it is most important that we keep Mane, Salah and Firmino at the club. We should look to sign someone like Thomas Lemar to rotate with the front 3 and to ensure we have depth in that department if injuries occur. Ideally a better back up option than Solanke and Ings but maybe one of them could develop in that role.
I think this season will be deemed a success if we can get a top 4 finish again. A trophy would be nice but the champions league will be difficult to win.
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22 Feb 2018 16:15:38
I think with five teams in the knock out stage of ucl the Premier league stock has gone up. Real and Barcelona are the biggest teams but la liga ain't as good as prem for me. I think it is going to be easier for Liverpool to sign top talent in the summer especially if we qualify for the ucl again which I think we will. Could be very interesting next season.
22 Feb 2018 16:41:09
The only thing we will be contending for is 4th spot. The other teams are simply better than us.
Regardless of who we get in the summer I don't see us anywhere near 1st.
Don't get me wrong the owners will back us but it's fruitless as the other teams will still be better teams and have the better squad.
22 Feb 2018 16:45:07
Its one of de Gea or Courtois not both, because both are of interest to Real Madrid and only one of them will be signed.
Can't see anyone going for Pogba at the price and wages.
Azpilicueta is Chelsea's most important defender, can't see him going anywhere.
Harry Kane and Eriksen will probably not leave spurs either, unless Pochettino goes to Real Madrid, Alderweireld and Danny Rose are more likely.
We have to give Mane, Firmino and Salah new contracts asap, or risk loosing one of them, to me that would be the most important signings we make this summer, getting those 3 signed up before the world cup so we don't have to deal with unsettling transfer saga's all summer.
22 Feb 2018 16:56:06
really walter? let's just sell the best players and just give up then. jeez. you post some absolute jokes sometimes.
22 Feb 2018 18:08:25
I donāt know why demirbay is always named on here. A while back german sky reporters asked him about interest from Roma and he almost confirmed going there (at least heavy interest from both sides and ongoing talks) .
Also he wonāt be an improvement of any shape or form. Iād rather take a youth player and give them a chance than buying demirbay for way more than he is worth.
22 Feb 2018 18:10:11
Nostradmus2.0 it's only my opinion and I fully expect to be proven correct. However I hope I am completely wrong.
Its not about giving up you should strive to do your best in any aspect of life.
22 Feb 2018 18:55:23
Your original post is the very definition of giving up.
22 Feb 2018 19:07:40
Personally I still think we will finish second. I couldnāt torture myself by watching United last night, especially after Maureen came out and said not to expect any goals! Imagine if Klopp said that - you would think he had taken a bang to the head! We are the second best team in the league IMO, with Tottenham 3rd best - but I donāt think they will finish 3rd - either 4th or 5th.
{Ed025's Note - i think liverpool will finish second as well nick..
22 Feb 2018 19:10:59
Sgred it's wasn't about giving up it was being realistic with what our team will achieve. As long as the guys try their best.
We are not near man City in any aspect as much as it pains me man u will be able to out spend us and chelsea are always around the top four.
22 Feb 2018 21:19:24
Nothing realistic about it whatsoever just negative bull, Wigan the league 1 side just dumped the mighty Man City out of the FA cup, Manchester United keep spending money but still need a new defense and midfield and if they lose De Gea good lord they will not finish in the top 4 for a while, also Chelsea will most probably lose Eden Hazard in the summer, replacing him won't be easy, plus Conte will be leaving and not every manager does a Conte in his first season. Spurs will lose Toby Alderweireld and probably Danny Rose and their manager is very very sought after so can't see him staying there for ever either, and once he leaves the likes of Eriksen, Kane and Alli might follow. We have as a good a chance as anyone to finish top of the league with the right signings and keeping hold of our best and most important ones.
{Ed025's Note - you really are nostradamus..
22 Feb 2018 23:09:59
Midfield wise Iād really love if we could bring in Lemar, Brandt, Meyer (free) and Iād be happy with that.
We also have Keita arriving in the summer, but I can see Can, Milner and possibly Lallana leaving. Sessenogn would be a great signing and can play left back and left wing. Fulham would prefer not to deal with us though but the youngster may prefer playing for Klopp than Pochettino.
22 Feb 2018 23:25:43
I think if Utd lose DeGea they are in huge trouble.
23 Feb 2018 00:31:55
If United lose De Gea and sign Navas, theyāre in trouble. If they lose De Gea and sign Oblak or Alisson then theyāre not. If we sign Navas, weāre in for trouble as he is pretty hopeless.
23 Feb 2018 10:59:12
Spot on, Frankly. And if anyone has any doubt as to how poor Navas is, I invite you to watch the last la Liga game he played in vs Betis where he was at fault for 2 of the 3 goals they conceded. Ironically in the next game vs Leganes in midweek, he was "rested". I wonder why.
23 Feb 2018 16:43:26
BRover exactly, he costs Madrid matches and if he comes here it will be even worse as his weaknesses will be exposed even more. If we arenāt going to sign Becker then stick with Karius and Ward and bring in a 35+ year old for back up, like Cech for example.
23 Feb 2018 17:07:07
*I would just spend wherever needed to get M. Savic (CM) .
*If by the end of the season Karius do well then there is no need for a new GK if not get Alisson/ Oblak.
* Just get a LB if Moreno doesn't stay like R. Sessegnon/ Gaya/ Bernart.
* Buy a CB if Matip or Lovren can't form a good partnership with VanDijk like T. Alderweireld/ Koulibaly, S. DeVrij.
*If Lallana goes let Grujic play in the first team or any good youngster for us like Ejaria, Woodburn, Brannagan.
*If Sturridge, Ings and Origi leaves then we should buy a proper number 9 like Timo Werner.
23 Feb 2018 22:10:48
Timo Werner will NOT come here and be second fiddle to Bobbie while he is close to being the starter for Germany. That won't happen.
24 Feb 2018 11:36:43
Then we should keep Origi.
22 Feb 2018 13:13:36
Ed01 just wondering your opinion on Navas being an option as Ed02 reckons Klopp is keen on him. Do you think personally he would be a good option? Or would you prefer we got Alisson from Roma? I would rather a younger keeper to be honest, someone who can be our keeper for the next 10 years like what De Gea looks like he will be doing for United. Donnarumma I think would be perfect.
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{Ed001's Note - Navas is only seen as a back up, in which case ok, not who I would pick but not really important. However Alisson would be the number one choice for me as a number one. He is the only real rival to De Gea around.}
22 Feb 2018 13:36:55
As back up? Why not just keep Ward as backup? Spending 20 million or so on a backup GK is money poorly spent.
22 Feb 2018 14:04:52
Ward is leaving.
22 Feb 2018 14:31:27
Because Indian buzzer, Ward needs to crack on with his career and it would be awful of us to keep him for another season if he isn't wanted. It's better to have an experienced older keeper as back up who isn't itching to progress his career.
22 Feb 2018 14:40:02
Thanks Ed. can't see Navas joining us to play back up to be honest when he could just stay and play back up for someone at Madrid. Havent seen much of Alisson but when I have I've been impressed. Either way I hope the goalkeeping situation will be solved, its been too long putting up with conceding comical goals due to mistakes.
22 Feb 2018 14:57:23
Im not sure that Ed meant backup keeper (no2) but more of a backup if we can't get other targets. Liverpool can't afford to pay that much money out on a no2 when their No1 keeper ain't that hot.
22 Feb 2018 15:20:22
I know Alisson conceded 2 last night against Shakhtar but he actually pulled off some great saves. It could have been a much worse scenario for Roma if it wasn't for him.
22 Feb 2018 18:46:42
I think I would rather keep Karius than replace with an ageing declining Navas. Heās probably better than Karius right now but Iām not convinced it will stay that way for long. I still have high hopes for Karius and hope he proves his worth in the remainder of the season.
22 Feb 2018 18:47:34
Hey ed001, don't you keep Oblak in the same bracket. I think that he is even better than De Gea.
{Ed001's Note - no he isn't as exposed so can't be put in the same bracket.}
22 Feb 2018 22:24:14
I hope Karius performs wonderfully well till the end of the season.
I think Navas is a poor choice. Ferdinand was talking yesterday about how Man Utd players were unsure of DeGea when he first came.
Not saying Karius will end up being as good as DeGea, but Navas IMO isn't the answer. Besides, Karius' ceiling might be higher than Navas.
I think we need one quality CB and a quality GK. Those are the main areas to spend money on and we should go for the premium, not second choices.
23 Feb 2018 00:34:11
Karius has looked calm and confident since coming back. There are genuine signs of a decent quality keeper there.
22 Feb 2018 11:58:56
Apparently Man Utd are under investigation from UEFA for allowing 3 players to cross the halfway line at the same time.
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22 Feb 2018 12:52:32
United are interesting. It's a poor side with a world class keeper. Pogba is not a top class Premier league player. Mourinho gets flack for their style of play but without him they'd be outside the top 4.
22 Feb 2018 13:28:26
Really Al? They've spent something like 300m in two years on players that he selected. If their side lacks the quality to be in the top four without his special brand of bus parking and sarcasm, isn't it primarily his fault that they look so uncompetitive in every area but the keeper?
22 Feb 2018 14:29:24
Here's hoping he goes to Madrid because without him they will be properly exposed.
22 Feb 2018 14:45:41
Hjikle - that was exactly his point - without Mourinho, they'd be outside the top 4.
It is obvious to anyone with eyes that Mourinho has spent poorly at Utd, but whilst he has been overtaken by a good number of coaches he is still more than a match for any other coach outside the top 6. If he hadn't joined, they'd be further away from the top 4 than at any time since the Premier League's inception.
22 Feb 2018 15:28:17
There is no shortage of quality I am afraid big Al. Sanchez, Pogba, Martial, Rashford. However you line up they are good players. This is how Jose plays in the knockout stage of CL. Itās just the way. It wonāt change no mater who he has!
22 Feb 2018 16:03:02
Agree Harry Those players you mention in the right system and the right manager say a pep or Klopp would definitely cause most team problems.
22 Feb 2018 16:33:35
Pogba, Mata, Sanchez, Lukaku, Martial, Rashford
Poor Jose, he must be so upset at not having enough attacking talent to make a real game of it.
Are we seriously suggesting that group isnāt talented enough to make top 4 in the hands of anyone other than Jose?
22 Feb 2018 21:58:16
Except for Lukaku, I think Jose has spent well at ManU. The problem is that they aren't fitting into the way he likes his teams to play. Some compromises are going to have to be made for them to start working as a team. For example, Jose has shown he can change (witness Luke Shaw), will he be willing to compromise some of his beliefs about how midfielders should play to get the best out of Pogba.
Will Pogba be wiling to learn (as he he does have a lot to learn particularly about defensive responsibilities and bringing his teammates into the game) or will he insist on continuing to play the same way that made him rated one of the worlds best.
Remember he inherited a team that was aging and needed a comprehensive overhaul. He is still some way from that (eg they are weak out wide) but they are getting there.
23 Feb 2018 07:03:26
If none of the signings fit the system he wishes to play then by that definition they are still poor signings Phil.
23 Feb 2018 11:05:49
So Harry if that is true, are you saying that Utd have good players BUT the manager is crap cos he's the one not able to get the best of the players he has cos he either signed them or chose not to sell the ones there, right? Cos if that group is as poor as they look then the manager should be to blame, correct?
22 Feb 2018 10:31:00
Hey Reds, I think if we are going for Navas, as 002 seems to believe (rodeo clowns rarely make mistakes) its likely Klopp hasn't lost faith in Karius, Navas isn't exactly a long term solution, and I feel he is more competition for Karius than a number 1, which is what Allison or any GK with a big pricetag would expect. Only time will tell if Karius can infact carry us or if he will crumble under pressure, but im backing him and Klopp, and if he can't hack it, atleast we have a decent backup, i have watched Keylor somewhat, being a part time madrid supporter and I put him above Migs.
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22 Feb 2018 11:10:03
Navas would only come to us is we told him he was number 1.
22 Feb 2018 11:35:50
liljack I'd agree with that theory, Klopp seems to have a very progressive way of doing transfers and building teams. I feel like if Karius continues to perform then an older experienced keeper will come in to replace migs ala Navas. And if Karius doesn't perform to the required standard he will look for a more suitable first choice ala Alisson! Seems smart to me.
22 Feb 2018 11:37:41
Then maybe he doesn't come then.
22 Feb 2018 12:02:16
Spot on, Putney. Navas, a Real Madrid first choice who has won 2 CL's one La Liga and several other pots, is going to come here and "compete" with a young, talented GK with NO trophies nor pedigree yet to his name. If you believe that, I have a swamp full of gators down in Florida I'd like to sell you. Utter horse manure. Navas if he comes, is going to start and Karius won't stay to be second choice after building up his career at Anfield after what he went thru and endured from the haters. NO CHANCE.
Oh and btw to those saying Navas is an upgrade on Karius, I propose you go watch his game vs Betis on Sun where he was responsible for 2 of their 3 goals. And there's a lot more where that came from as well.
22 Feb 2018 13:02:44
I am not one for dissing our players or prospective players.
Haven't seen any of Navas, however the argument that he has won this that and the other makes him good is just not true.
Exhibit A: Claudio Bravo.
22 Feb 2018 13:06:06
Real Madrid want to sll though BRover is a key point. I doubt Navas would chose to leave otherwise.
22 Feb 2018 13:06:38
BRover, what career has Karius built here? And what did he go through that many goal keepers have and still go through weakly. Itās a tough position in professional football where your mistakes cost matches, if he is not strong enough to cope with that then he has picked the wrong profession.
DebGea took much worse abuse for much longer but is incredibly strong and that shows in his current ranking as one of the top GK in the world.
Thereās enough excuses being made for Karius, he needs to stop the recurring mistakes and man up or get replaced.
22 Feb 2018 13:15:21
BRover, see also:
Napoli
Las Palmas
Dortmund
Sociedad
PSG (the goal he conceded was bread and butter stuff) .
Thereās loads more too. Heās only kept three clean sheets all season and heās begins a better midfield and defence than ours.
Iāve watched a lot of Madrid and heās the weak link in their team.
22 Feb 2018 14:36:54
BRover and Putney, on the contrary. Just because you can't see how a player would move doesn't mean it wouldn't happen. Claudio bravo, Romero, that other Barcelona keeper whose name I forget, they all left top teams number 1 spot for a back up Role. Some players understand their level and when the time has come to move on. Real don't want him, and he isn't a top top keeper, I'm not saying we are getting him, but I find it completely viable that he replaces migs and becomes Karius' no2.
22 Feb 2018 14:38:12
Also BRover, not one person on this thread has mentioned Navas being better than Karius?
22 Feb 2018 15:35:09
Neither of them are the answer. Until we address the goalkeeping issue seriously we will continue losing our best players who want to win things but know that, however many goals they score, the keeper will throw more in at the other end.
22 Feb 2018 15:30:19
I am sorry but we are supposed to buy who is better than the current oneās. If we are comparing Navas to Karius and Migs then that says it all lol.
22 Feb 2018 15:33:31
Victor Valdez you mean TIA? And they all flopped mate! Didnāt they?
22 Feb 2018 17:42:42
Valdez was a poor keeper. Couldnāt ever understand why Barcelona stuck with him. Was completely found out when he played in the premier league.
22 Feb 2018 10:11:23
So i saw ed002 did a fantastic summary of what Real Madrid might look to do in the summer.
Dani Ceballos is apparently someone we are really interested in. What are people's opinions on him as i don't watch much La liga and rarely Betis so i have seen him play maybe 2 times for the spanish U-21 team.
What worries me is us looking at Real Madrid players when they might look to bid for Salah in the summer, its like we want them to ask about him while inquiring about Navas and Ceballos.
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22 Feb 2018 11:22:13
I couldn't find the summary. Can you tell me on which page I can find it?
22 Feb 2018 12:28:04
On the Real Madrid page mate.
22 Feb 2018 13:00:45
I have seen Cabellos a few times. He takes far too much time and too many touches and his vision is poor. Passing is average. Gets into decent position but is wasteful in the final third. Very much like Lallana except he plays deep and like to run forward. He is young and no where near a finished product.
I would stay miles way from him. Mateo Kovacic is a better and far decent option if you are looking for a CM. We are not short of young players who are struggling for games! Are we?
22 Feb 2018 13:16:17
Ceballos yes, good player, Navas, no. Not at all. Let him go to Man United.
22 Feb 2018 13:56:26
I don't know BD, but knowing madrid will ask 40 million or more for him we could look elsewhere. Demirbay looks decent, ed002 mentioned Strootman but that was maybe in January.
22 Feb 2018 14:28:01
Just read the post on the RM page, great post by Ed2. Thanks Nostradmus2.0 for making us aware mate.
22 Feb 2018 15:31:47
Nostradmus,
Depends on what kind of player Klopp wants. I would spend that sum on Doucoure at Wardord. No brainer and head and shoulders above both. PL proven and the boy will become a star in two years. He will fit in with our style. Him and Keita is what you call a proper double Pivot! Or if Klopp only wants a Madrid pedigree then Kovacic. Young and actually very good! Vision, technique, and goals!
22 Feb 2018 16:22:55
Doucoure seems a very good player but is already 25 and i don't think we have shown interest. Ed002 says Kovacic is likely to go back to italy.
22 Feb 2018 16:27:06
I agree with you Harry on Doucoure, he would add much needed quality and him with Keita would be pretty special.
22 Feb 2018 16:36:36
Kovacic would be a fantastic signing but can't see us getting him at all. Doesn't seem to get much game time under zidane so I'd expect him to back to Italy.
22 Feb 2018 22:34:39
Kroos is the one I'll take from that Madrid team.
He is the type of player our midfield needs.
22 Feb 2018 22:35:42
Navas doesn't do it for me, pulls off some good saves at times but so inconsistent and his distribution is questionable also. I'd stay away from that deal.
22 Feb 2018 09:47:05
Well after watching DDG saving United to keep them in the tie, I would love the club to put more effort in securing a top class keeper in the summer. Navas is not an upgrade on Karius. I know Navas has won many things at Real so has Pedro who has looked bang average at Chelsea.
We are at a crucial stage as a team and as a club and a few good additions would seriously take us to the next level and GK is one of the most important in the list. For me Navas is a flapper and we have been on the receiving end of this thanks to Mignolet. We need a real pedigree at the back. It's all about priorities and GK along with full backs are our top most priority for the summer.
It's strange. 32 teams fight for CL and 48 fights for EL and we are left with no one to even consider for the GK.
It's not lik there is a real scarcity of GK out there.
Heard Napoli is interested in Leno to replace Reina.
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22 Feb 2018 10:00:37
Actually Napoli are interested in Mignolet to replace Reina believe it or not. Actually i agree about Keylor Navas being a flapper, he flaps at the easiest of shots but if it's who klopp wants, their is nothing you and i could do other than back the manager, i know you don't but i do though. Maybe Karius will continue improving and Keylor Navas ends up replacing Mignolet on the bench, no one knows.
22 Feb 2018 11:28:51
How much do you think we can offer Napoli for Reina with mignolet in part exchange?
22 Feb 2018 11:58:29
Harry - seems odd that you comment on Navas not being good enough, but then talk about how many teams there are in the EL and CL so there must be more better keepers out there. But Navas has won the CL twice in the past 2 years, so either you have to accept that he's not as bad a keeper as you're making out (or your stance on Karius has softened), or your judgement of where a top keeper has to come from is way off. Sorry I may be totally missing the point and happy to reconsider it but the team with Navas did the best out of the combined 80 teams youve mentioned as goalkeeper sources for us in each of the past two years so I'm a bit confused as to the connection between the number of teams and the quality of keepers that you're trying to draw.
22 Feb 2018 12:07:14
BD, top class GK ain't going to happen as no one would sell them to you so you can forget that happening. Also, watched Allison vs Chaktyar last night and were it not for him, Roma would have been out of the tie BUT as Ed02 has saaid, Roma won't sell and he is a non starter. Again, proves my point that NO club will sell their top GK, end of.
DDG has been improving since he was in his early 20's, being in a team with a good system to protect him while he honed his skills. You can't fast track that regardless of whatever you think as those of us who live in reality, know it does not work that way.
To me, it's about time we actually invest from within as in if Karius gets it done this season, we help him grow and realize his potential and stick by him cos the kid is talented and very competent (Ed01's terminology) . Just my opinion.
22 Feb 2018 13:10:02
I kinda agree with you BRover ( I canāt believe myself ) Sell Migs, Keep Ward and improve Karius. Save the money ( Navas is no big improvement on Karius ) . But all we could hope that Klopp thinks this way! He wonāt and I am certain he would buy Navas only to break Karius confidence.
22 Feb 2018 13:13:45
Hjikle
My point is there are lot of keepers in Europe to consider.
22 Feb 2018 13:21:25
You have two points there. One, I donāt blindly trust anyone let alone Klopp! My past experience of blind trust lead me to back on Charlie Adams and Lazar Markovic's. Point number 2 is more of a question. Would Navas even consider playing second fiddle to Karius?
If we only want a Back up then Ward is free and you save good money on it. anyways! I am sorry but are we buying a back up GK? Klopp liking a player has no relevance to our opinions.
22 Feb 2018 13:22:59
Hjikle, Madrid won in spite of Navas. Heās been their weak point for over two years. His shots saved to goals conceded ratio is really poor. He makes basic errors every match and has cost Madrid points on several occasions, given that heās poor on crosses, is easily beaten and makes lots of basic errors, it makes no sense to waste money on him if heās not an improvement on anyone on the books. Given that heād have done as badly on the mistakes that Mignolet has been slaughtered for and made worse then itās a waste of money signing him, as it would be Ā£25m+ to sit on the bench once the errors start happening and believe me, we wouldnāt be waiting long. The first cross in the box or direct free kick he would mess up.
22 Feb 2018 13:32:17
That's a fair point, but when we are considering a keeper that's been in a team ruling Europe for two years you don't think its a keeper of an acceptable standard. I appreciate the general point, but with that in mind would you say it's fair to suggest that by commenting on how many teams there are in the CL and EL, you're somewhat exaggerating how many would actually be an improvement on Karius? Definitely not arguing with you that it can be done, 50/ 50 on how vital it is that it's done and reserving some judgement until the end of the season, but I definitely think if you believe Navas is no improvement then you've definitely overstated the potential pool - in reality, there is probably more like 10 keepers not perfectly secure at a top club that could improve us.
22 Feb 2018 13:59:35
Doubt Keylor Navas would cost anywhere near 25 million Ā£, he is 31 or 32 and Real Madrid are doing all they can to get rid. But you seem to have watched a lot of Madrid games and its worrying. Goalkeepers really are Klopp's blind spot.
22 Feb 2018 15:24:44
Hjikle,
Again my policy is simple. If we could attract, Lemar, Kieta and VVD, then we could easily attract top 10 GKās in Europe. Do you agree? Navas in not even inside top 30 let alone top 10. We have a very good team and we are at a stage where we need players that will cement us inside top 3 for the next decade or so! Buying a back up?
22 Feb 2018 15:40:54
Sure, we could stand still and stick with the same squad next season and expect the same outcomes.
Or we could try to improve our weaknesses.
GK is number 1 weakness we could improve on in my opinion.
22 Feb 2018 15:59:49
This is random, but Newcastle has a new goalkeeper, if we're only looking for a back up for Karius!
22 Feb 2018 09:40:18
Random post of the day here: I've always really wanted Liverpool to play a friendly in pre-season against their own reserves.
Klopp vs Critchley! First team vs Ressies!
I only suggest it because when I was a kid, the team i played for always used to have a friendly game with the age group directly above and the age group directly below in pre-season. It was great fun, and we all loved a chance at beating the older lads especially.
I told you it was random š.
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22 Feb 2018 10:16:34
I used to do that when i was 14 on football manager, haha. Now i haven't played that game in like 20 years. is it still as addictive?
22 Feb 2018 11:12:26
Senior attack with reserve defence Vs reserve attack with senior defence. That's how we made it fair when our school A and B teams played.
22 Feb 2018 11:27:06
That a good idea Putney. It would certainly get a lot of views and the club would have the rights to stream it on their own channel and website too.
22 Feb 2018 11:54:13
It's a way of life for some Nostradmus. :)
22 Feb 2018 11:59:02
Bit hard to do in Liverpool though - is Moreno attack or defense?!
22 Feb 2018 11:59:56
It can all end in tears though, I remember a few years ago the Sunderland first team played a mid season friendly against one of their youth teams and lost 2-0 I think.
22 Feb 2018 13:42:26
My local GAA club here in Belfast decided it would be a good idea for the under 21 hurling team (men) to play senior camogie team (ladies) in a friendly game one year. Or a challenge match as the ladies put it. We were told to go easy on them. They had other ideas. I ended up with with a broken nose and I got off lightly compared to others. Sorry for going off on one. Adams post just reminded me it.
22 Feb 2018 15:40:25
Nostrodamus yes in Football Manager still get the options to organise a friendly between your first team and reserves (u23s) .
Game still addictive but majorly frustrating due ever increasingly complexity. Still leads too many sleepless nights.
22 Feb 2018 07:27:24
In case anyone thinks not spending big on a top keeper is very important, DeGea just kept Man Utd in the CL. What a performance, a truly top top class keeper and proof even with some poor players around him he can almost single handily keep them in the competition. A true one man show there. š š š, take a bow son.
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22 Feb 2018 07:38:56
Yeah I'm hoping they lose him because without him last night they'd of lost by a pretty decent margin. He's saved them in so many results this season, he will be almost impossible to replace.
22 Feb 2018 07:42:38
Best keeper in the world right now IMO.
22 Feb 2018 08:45:36
It was a poor finish, no way he should of given the keeper a chance from that far out.
22 Feb 2018 09:05:13
Remember his first season where impatient United were on his back demanding he is dropped/ sold because he's so rubbish? And Fergie having to drop him to protect him from the criticism?
22 Feb 2018 09:08:20
De Gea has won man utd player of the year 3 times. Schmeichel never won it once. Thatās a true reflection of where that club is right now.
22 Feb 2018 09:17:31
Hjikle, i remember them wanting him dropped for Romero 18 months ago, never mind his first season š give them Mignolet for a month so they appreciate what they have.
22 Feb 2018 09:22:40
Hjikle, De Gea has shown huge strength of character, he got a lot more abuse than other keepers got or get now, but used it positively to turn himself into one of the best goal keepers on the planet. To be fair to him he was playing for the biggest club in PL history and one of the biggest on the planet. He was also being compared to one of the greatest GK that ever played the game in Schmichael.
22 Feb 2018 09:47:55
Mcgoveb I personally don't think it is important to spend big on a keeper it is more important to sign the right keeper regardless of cost
if Oblak or allison were to cost us for argument sake for 70m each or Navas was available on a free (which I know he is not) which deal would make more sense to complete?
Think we sometimes get caught up in spending loads of money means success, it doesn't always.
I personally hope Karius proves we don't need a new keeper just like De gea proved to Man U.
{Ed025's Note - please dont mention karius and de gea in the same sentence john..
22 Feb 2018 09:20:48
Iām hoping they get conned into accepting Navas as part of a swap deal. That would be a top result for us!
22 Feb 2018 09:29:17
We should be looking at a top class keeper in the Summer.
22 Feb 2018 10:22:55
No matter how top class they are Harry there is actually no keeper out there who is as good as De Gea, he is the best of the best, Alisson might one day reach his level but i strongly doubt our chances with 1. the price he would cost after Roma feel butthurt because we are paying them only 50 million ā¬ for Salah, 2. PSG, Real Madrid and Barcelona interested in him. 3. The player himself would probably love to move to Spain or Paris (with all the brazilians in their team)
22 Feb 2018 12:15:00
It was a poor finish as Mighty Reds said. As a striker (which I was for a while), you are coached to head a ball like that down into the ground as the GK is expecting the header to be in the air. Muriel (a poor striker) made it easy for him so there's that.
Also, if you are comparing our GK to DDG then you will always be disappointed cos it took him 5/ 6 seasons to be this great after struggling (Yes, he DID struggle) for the first 18 months to the point of getting benched. You have to account for that history knowing that regardless of who you get, he will need time and frankly, I don't care what other GK's or players do cos it does not impact me nor how my team performs in any way.
What we should be doing is to see if our guy Karius has the goods to become great (if he gets it done this season, obv. ) cos right now, he is a very talented and competent GK who believes in himself and you need that confidence to succeed. That confidence and ability needs to be harnessed cos in he end, screaming for a top GK whereas NO ONE will sell to you, is like screaming into the night and being surprised the only voice you hear is your own echo.
22 Feb 2018 13:24:28
Johncrow, even if Navas was on a free I would avoid it, heās just not very good.
22 Feb 2018 05:32:27
{Ed's Note - Tris Burke has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 22nd February
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22 Feb 2018 07:32:46
Cheers Ed, Good morning! hope it's a great day for you and for all!
{Ed001's Note - cheers mate, same to you.}
22 Feb 2018 07:56:24
Right back at ya Salah mate!
22 Feb 2018 07:59:55
Cheers Kev mate :)
22 Feb 2018 09:18:35
You too Salah, aka, my sister account š.
22 Feb 2018 09:26:10
Ha ha yeah MK, that comment yesterday though lol! Couldn't make it up.
22 Feb 2018 09:28:13
Never mind š So we still on to get our nails done later, sis?
22 Feb 2018 09:49:00
Oh for sure, been thinking about getting them done for a while now, we'll even go to starbucks and talk about betty from next door, she an half losing it yano, but we'll leave that till later, cya soon sis! So darn excited! #sispower.
22 Feb 2018 11:29:00
Betty š my neighbour is genuinely called Betty š.
22 Feb 2018 11:45:23
Lol what are the chances of that! Ha ha!
22 Feb 2018 12:11:19
Enjoy ladies, ye deserve it.
Betty and I will join ye after for a skinny latte, got to watch the figure with all the stress eating watching Mignolet over the last 5 years.
22 Feb 2018 01:59:03
Respect to Feyenord fans. Lighting their phones and singing YNWA on the sixth anniversary of the passing of Brad Jones' son.
Also very good to see that Brad's form has been very good for them and he's even in line for a recall to the national team.
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{Ed0333's Note - what a touching gesture by the Feyenoord fans. Thanks for sharing Burkeyboy I was not aware of that.
22 Feb 2018 03:41:05
Football can bring out the worst in some fans at times, but it is things like this that restores my faith in football (and any sport for that matter) being something that brings out the best in people. Along with Ed, I was unaware, so this has made my day! Thanks Burkeyboy.
22 Feb 2018 07:49:01
Very nice to read that about Feyenord fans, awful situation for him and his wife to experience - RIP.
22 Feb 2018 07:58:10
What a class move by the fans. Cheers for that burkeyboy.
22 Feb 2018 09:02:43
Very good bit of news to hear there, good acts in football these days are rare so it's nice to hear when something like this does happen, thanks burkeyboy.
23 Feb 2018 02:29:14
Got to be one of my favourite recent moments in football when Brad saved that penalty against West Ham having come on after Reinaās red card.
To even play so soon after his tragic situation was v brave; the point to the sky and the players gathering round him brought tears to my eyes.
A credit to the club and and that was a class gesture by the Feyenord fans YNWA.
22 Feb 2018 00:30:13
Hello Reds,
This video chronicles Klopp's arival and some of the very good results we had under him in 15/ 16. As I was watching it, it reminded me of where we were and how far we had coime in really, a prety short time to being way better than what we were back then. We were really good in many games BUT not consistent enough and that can be explained due to him coming in mid season and all the injuries we had to deal with and there was no time for the players to full grasp what he wanted from them.
Fast forward to today and we are indeed a much better team and a much better squad. Even Klopp has gotten better and learned from some of his mistakes and is frankly, still learning from them.
It was the start of a journey and that journey has brought us a hopefully, CL Q-final and are smack in the middle of a battle for 2nd in the PL, something that was unthinkable 2 seasons ago when we finished behind WH and Saints in 8th. We are still on that journey so there will be bumps and head winds along the way hence, let us persevere, continue to build, believe and support our team till the end and I am hopeful that with a bit of luck (I'd rather be lucky than good like Rafa was, really) the trophies we crave will come. This season, maybe? Red Till I'm Dead!
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22 Feb 2018 02:45:00
Great post, great video. Completely agree.
22 Feb 2018 03:43:16
Love the last paragraph you wrote BRover - I'm pumped, and I'm sat at my work desk having a late lunch!
22 Feb 2018 08:09:37
Ahh, the days when it looked like Coutinho actually enjoyed scoring for us.
22 Feb 2018 09:38:25
Rafa was not lucky, he beat the champions of several counties to win the Champions League final with his tactics organisation and single minded attitude.
22 Feb 2018 12:21:42
That's your opinion, Albeyred and you are welcome to it.
22 Feb 2018 12:28:45
Preso, glad you like the vid and the last paragraph. In fact, it was inspired by Klopp's final words in the vid where he says we must turn from doubters to believers. To me, a supporter is an eternal optimist who tries to see the positive in everything even tho there aren't any, one who has the courage to support the team and players and manager cos he believes that there will always be a better tomorrow. We should be critical of our team when warranted BUT must always remember what ultimately unites u as fans: The success of LFC.
Klopp is exactly like that, an optimist. Even in failure, he believes that as long as there is life, there is hope. This is why we were able to rise from the proverbial ashes of being 3-0 at Istanbul, staring down the barrel of eternal humiliation, to pick up a trophy that was not even anywhere near our grasp. Those fans gave it their all with a YNWA rendition for the ages at half time and the rest is history. It is this attitude that led us to overcome the debacle at Spurs to now like it or not, be AHEAD of Spurs currently. We must continue to believe as a fan base in our team and manager cos IMO, Klopp is the BEST chance we have of winning the PL or any trophy. God bless!
