Liverpool Banter Archive February 22 2016

22 Feb 2016 19:26:15
Eds!
What will happen if the UK leaves the EU with respect to non British players and their registration?
Will we be limited in numbers of non-Brits again? Presumably they will all need work permits? Will we be able to get rid of Bosman's 😄?

This could be the deciding factor in my vote as I don't trust any of the political clowns. 😎.

{Ed002's Note - It is not actually clear what would happen Ron. There would certainly not be any overnight change but the eventual position would likely be a need for work permits and residence permits. In terms of existing EU citizens already working in the UK, there is no plan but I would think an amnesty would be the likely decision followed by a quota system of some type. A good question but no firm answer I am afraid.}

22 Feb 2016 21:51:13
Cheers ed. I'll have to remain a floating voter for now.
Thanks for the info. 😉.

{Ed002's Note - They won't let me vote Ron.}

22 Feb 2016 22:44:26
I reckon you're a "remainer" Ed and I think I'm inclined that way but I'd like to hear the pros and cons from people with integrity (non-politicians)
I do think it could have a very big impact on the premier league though, restrictions on players, work permits. It could adversely effect the marketability of the premier league and reduce the appeal for TV, players and managers/ coaches long term.

Would it effect the postulated European breakaway league?

It is interesting that the vote will take place just before the opening of the summer window too. Could it effect deals already agreed in principle?
There will be a lot of uncertainty leading up to the vote and the currency fluctuations will adversely effect the premier league.
After the vote, if it's a "remain" then it's as you were, but if the vote is to "leave" then it will be interesting.

Sorry for all the sensible questions ed, I appreciate your time, you seem someone who would have a keen interest and are probably very well informed on the potential footballing effects.

{Ed002's Note - It makes no difference to what happens with a breakaway league. It also won't make a difference about television, etc.. The vote is of no consequence to me as I am not allowed to vote. No problem about the vote.}

22 Feb 2016 21:32:53
Been thinking about hendo a bit, and whilst j love his ethic and passion, I'm not sure he had the natural ability to be a top class creative midfielder. But he does have aspects to his game to allow him to become a holding mid in my eyes. He's fit, and I know he runs around a lot, but if he gained some more tactical awareness, could use his fitness to cover in the holding role. He has good passing ability, but not defence splitting passes, but well enough to spray it around from the middle of the pitch. He does get into the box well, but has shown time and time again he lacks composure in the final third. He's aggressive in the tackle, not bad in the air, and talks as well as any of our Cms bar Lucas. You could say it's wasting its biggest talent, but with a long term sustained injury, maybe it'll be best for him.

23 Feb 2016 03:33:15
I think he needs to reinvent himself fencey. there is no doubt that injury is having an impact on the way he is playing. I noticed when shooting vs achburg he lacked power
but as you pointed out he has other attributes we can use. be interesting to see how this pans out.

22 Feb 2016 19:57:53
Hi Eds,

I was just wondering if D. Ward was brought back from loan to give Migs a kick up the backside, plus if migs did not improve ward would have got his chance, as i don't understand why klopp was brought back after playing so well up in scotland, he should have been left up there if he was not going to get game time, its a strange move from klopp.

{Ed001's Note - he was brought back because Bogdan was terrible and it had to happen in January or we could not recall him this season. Too much of a risk to rely on Mignolet not getting injured.}

22 Feb 2016 20:29:04
klopp sees Mignolet as his No 1. He brought ward back to be his understudy. We have to deal with it. Yes it's baffling to see ward not getting any game time but it's not up to us to question the chosen one. There will be no deserters on this ship! 002 is trying to start a mutiny but we will resist and Kloppo will lead us to the promised land. Well at least we'll be runners up in the Carling cup, man utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, and Spurs can't boast that. Have patience Rome wasn't built in a day, Klopps master plan will unravel and you will see the fruits of his labor next season. I still have a feeling we will win the Europa League and the Carling cup and we can all feed 002 a piece of humble pie each. Can't wait.

22 Feb 2016 21:02:38
Brendas Dentist, I am not sure what your problem is with Ed002 but you are making yourself sound a fool. Maybe try being a little less sensitive. It's post like this that make Liverpool fans as a whole sound paranoid.

23 Feb 2016 03:37:12
there are a lot of very good teams left in the Europa league bd. I think sunday is our best chance to win a trophy this season, if we lose then we end up empty handed again i'm afraid.

23 Feb 2016 04:18:04
C'mon, with a name like Brenda's Dentist, you know he's probably just being a little sarcastic. Chill, EMAN34.

Have a beer.

22 Feb 2016 17:03:38
ed 1 its 25 years since Kenny daglish resigned as Liverpool manager was it as shocking to the club as it was to the fans, I was pretty young when it happened I just remember going down to the paper shop to get shoot magazine, my brother always got match and it was plastered on the cover of both mags. we were speechless. any info you have would be great.

{Ed001's Note - not really as shocking, as he had tried to resign previously. He was struggling badly after Hillsborough and everyone within the club knew it. Really they should have just given him a break, a holiday, to recover.}

22 Feb 2016 18:23:45
thanks for the reply ed. looking at it now I think a break would have been a good idea. is is true he went to as many funerals as he possibly could?, its a wonder he didn't have a breakdown.

{Ed001's Note - he went to almost all of them, he will always be a legend for how he handled the aftermath, regardless of what anyone else has to say. He is THE legend at the club, the best player we have ever had and took on so much at that time.}

22 Feb 2016 18:24:34
I think Kenny went to every persons funeral who perished at Hillsborough. Coupled with all the emotional and physchological anxiety associated with that tragic event why didn't the club just give him the time out that he needed? We had Roy and Ronnie to steady the ship it would have made perfect sense? Kenny needed the break but I think it's documented that he regretted resigning and would have preferred some time off instead. From a purely humanitarian perspective we should have done all we could to keep Kenny as he is bordering on a deity and from a footballing perspective well we all know why keeping the King would have been beneficial.

22 Feb 2016 19:01:17
top post Brenda agree with everything you said 100%.

22 Feb 2016 19:27:08
Thankyou for the posts all good to read have a good night everyone hopefully see the mancs get smashed :p.

22 Feb 2016 19:34:46
Seriously, how the hell does Ferguson become knighted just because he wins a few major trophies, but dalglish doesn't- another successful football player/ manager in his own right, and a huge helping presence among the hillsborough families. And how did Paisley not ever get knighted for 'services to football'? He won just a much or even more than Ferguson did before Ferguson got his knighthood!

22 Feb 2016 20:23:40
I read the first like Nick and was about to write someone said the same thing about BP, but then read the next lines. Might have even been you who mentioned it the other day!

22 Feb 2016 22:05:50
I wouldn't want Kenny knighted.

Firstly I don't think knighthoods should be for sports stars, they should be for war heroes and community heroes. Famous people should not be eligible it should be people who deserve special attention.

Secondly, these honours are totally politically motivated so you have to be in bed with a political party to get one.

Thirdly, there are some notable undesirables amongst their number e. g. Savile, Rolf Harris, Stuart Hall.

22 Feb 2016 23:37:57
Kenny has always turned up at my cousins memorial services and always been humble, respectful and had time for anybody. For the manner in which he has always conducted himself, and the strength he has given my Aunt and her other children, I'll be eternally grateful. Legend off the pitch as much as on it - a truly great man.

Cheers
RedTed (RIP Keithy)

23 Feb 2016 00:16:59
Few sport stars get knighted just for playing sport. Usually the reason will be charity work they do in their own time.

22 Feb 2016 16:19:43
I don't think that joa teixera will sign a new deal with Liverpool so that he can spend the season on loan at Huddersfield. He will leave in the summer imo. also ed 002 you mentioned in your summary about reuben neves, surely he will be out of our price range, as well as having his pick of some cl clubs should porto decide to cash in, one last point ed 002 with klopp favouring only 1 striker in his starting 11 the likes of ings will be getting limited game time if sturridge (should he stay) be 1st choice. i'm not sure how patient the young strikers will be esp those that harbour international ambitions. I would like us to play 2 up front esp when we play at home.

{Ed002's Note - I am pretty certain you have no grasp a lot of what I wrote. Ings will get his chances.}

22 Feb 2016 16:52:01
I understood every thing you wrote thanks for asking ed002. let me break it down I think teixera will leave, neves will be to expensive and lastly I would like Liverpool to play 2 up front when we play at home. your brilliant transfer summary has stopped me asking you a lot of questions as regards to our transfer dealings, thank you for posting that not once but twice.

22 Feb 2016 12:31:46
Hello eds with coutinho coming out saying he's living his dream at Liverpool clearly a change of words since brenda had us guess that means with him staying do any of yous think that's good news in my case yes when he has good runners around him.

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea why you want to say anything about "brenda". The problem that Coutinho had was the club not being in the Champions League. Clearly if he has said this now he has lowered his expectations.}

22 Feb 2016 12:54:37
ED002, surely you must realise by now that"Brenda" gets blamed for everything. If we stay in the EU it will be his fault and if we leave it will still be his fault.

{Ed002's Note - Maybe it takes the attention away from Klipperty who currently has an identical Liverpool record to Roy Hodgson when he was sacked?}

22 Feb 2016 13:28:51
Thing is that Brendan Rodgers wasted hundreds of millions of pounds to make us look mediocre. It isn't fair to blame Klopp for Rodgers failings as he hasn't had a chance to put his own stamp on the squad. The reality is that had Rodgers remained, things would be far worse than they are now, I seriously think we would have been in a relegation battle if he had remained in charge as he did not appear to have a clue what he was doing.

22 Feb 2016 13:30:57
Correct ed002, I'll get the ball rolling. KLOPP OUT!

22 Feb 2016 13:43:31
Edd002 you Troublemaker.

22 Feb 2016 13:56:44
Strange. I don't remember Roy getting to a cup final in his first season.

{Ed002's Note - Embarrassing.}

22 Feb 2016 14:00:19
I wouldn't take any statement of contentment seriously from any modern player- its just a PR exercise.

If Barcelona came in with an offer in the summer he would be gone as soon as he could do the deal.

Also, I don't think it makes us as fans look like very nice people when we bandy casual insults around about either players or managers.

I had lost faith in Rodgers ability to get us into the CL by december 2014 and wanted him gone, but I never felt a need to attack or insult him personally. There's just no need really.

22 Feb 2016 14:12:42
Jesus Ed don't do that to me. I checked and Hodgson had amounted a paltry 22 points in 17 games. Klopp's managed an impressive 23, it's not even comparable!

Sarcasm aside that shocked me. It's a very different atmosphere though isn't it, under Hodgson there was a sense of inevitability that things wouldn't work out, under Klopp the mood is the only way is up. Hopefully this is the last time we talk about Hodgson and Klopp in the same sentence.

22 Feb 2016 14:36:13
Good man ed002. Klopp has the same record as Hodgson. But you forget that he bought in his own players and had time with them. And all were possibly the worst purchases Liverpool have bought in recent times. Lay off until klopp has gotten his players in and then come out with crap like that.

{Ed002's Note - It is really embarrassing reading this stuff - basically you are saying is Klopp is not up to the job unless he can change the team around yet again and have another period of transition. I agree that he is far from the saviour that the Liverpool fans think he is. They system that was found out in Germany has been found out in England - we need to see if he is good enough to realise that he needs to adapt. I think he probably will be able to. As for what I said being "crap" - it isn't, it is true. You are simply clutching at straws to try and defend someone who is proving not to be the person you all expected.}

22 Feb 2016 14:59:51
I would just like to say, regardless of whether Hodgson was the right fit or not, it wasn't really his fault that he bought players most labeled as "not good enough".

Hodgson was probably the only manager in recent times to genuinely have to bargain hunt while at Liverpool. We were already in the process (or would be not long after) of going into administration and we very nearly didn't make it.

So anyone blaming Hodgson for signing the likes of Poulsen, Konchesky, Jovanovic (which I think was a free during Rafa's time) and Brad Jones (who did pretty well for a back up, no? ) is just horrendously wrong.

But on Klopp, I believe he will need time but I'm sure he'll be very good for Liverpool.

22 Feb 2016 15:06:14
23 points from 51 available is not very impressive which ever way you spin it, I do agree with muscatred 's post and I do look forward to seeing next years line up, but I am slightly worried with the way we are lining up atm. it has gone slightly to defensive for my liking, also interesting to hear henrikh mkhitaryn's comments about Dortmund being a more attacking team without klopp. i'm glad he is the manager and I look forward to the future with him but that points total has to change if we are to make progress where it matters in the league.

22 Feb 2016 15:13:58
Ed2 judge klopp after 3 yrs with his own players not in his first year using another managers players. Very embarrassing ed.

{Ed002's Note - Another three years of transition then? Only club in the world that changes manager and then wants years to recover. And you worry why people laugh.}

22 Feb 2016 17:17:58
Tbf ed2 has a point, if klopp had taken over man u for instance and had the same results we have had we would be pissing our pants with laughter. It has not been good enough but i too am clinging to some semblance of faith that he will turn it around. There have been a few signs but no consistency, its been one step forward 2 back all season and as much as i disliked rodgers you have to admit he did a better job in his first season with arguably worse players than we have now. Not good enough.

22 Feb 2016 17:54:34
Comparing Klopp`s 5 months in charge to BR`s 3 years in charge is just ludicrous and a poor excuse of an argument. Klopp isn`t perfect and has made some blunders (giving mingo an extension, bringing back Ward to be a backup, signing Caulker) which are all rectifiable BUT to make such a comparison is ridiculous. N btw, saying BR wrecked the team with his pathetic blunders is not an insult if it is indeed a fact. It is a FACT so his apologists should get over it and most importantly, themselves.

22 Feb 2016 17:49:56
Simple fact is that it would have made more sense had Klopp gone to Man Utd, Chelsea or man city over us as our club isn't anywhere near what many fans think it is. Klopp is a great manager, anyone who breaks munichs hold in Germany even if only temporarily is in my mind worthy of that label, however let's not forget he took Dortmund to I believe a couple of 7th (ish) finishes before he won the league there. The fact we have a manager of any reputation let alone klopps is in my mind incredibly lucky considering where the club is at the minute, so let's just get onboard and not make silly comparisons about current records over 20 off games. And they are silly. Hodgson is a defensive manager who dispite an incredibly long career over many continents has nothing of real note to show for it. Klopp, a baby manager comparatively, has won domestic cups, domestic leagues by ousting one of the biggest, well supported and financially able clubs in the world, and in my opinion incredibly unlucky not to have a champions league medal. No comparison I'm afraid.

{Ed002's Note - You might want to look at the results after 31 games or whatever - it is the same. I get the point you are making - wait three years and things might get a lot better (we will have to forget that he has already been found out - as he was in Germany). He did of course have some success there a few years ago.}

22 Feb 2016 18:30:46
Hodgson and Rodgers would have got us relegated. Klopp is a considerably better manager than both of them and he's got time to fix the mess that the club has become under Rodgers.

22 Feb 2016 18:30:54
I want to stick with Klopp, it's too soon to think anything else in my opinion. Results have not been what we all wanted, agreed.
One point Ed002 got me thinking about, is look at the fortunes of Chelsea under Hiddink. Same team different second half of the season so far.

22 Feb 2016 19:10:09
the league cup final is going to be interesting, klopp wins that and we are on course for a trophy laden era, loses and he will be that overrated pretzel eating so and so. i'm going to ask ed 002 about Chelsea at the end of the season as I want to see how there season finishes first.

22 Feb 2016 19:14:13
There are massive differences between Klopp and Hodgson IMO.

22 Feb 2016 20:04:38
You guys fall for it everytime! Eds 02 stirs the pot and people either follow him/ her like a sheep or bite at the ridiculousness. Enjoy the brilliant manager we have signed he's the best thing to happen since Istanbul.

22 Feb 2016 20:25:57
Ed002 you say that klopps style got found out in germany. Isn't it a well documented fact that bayern Munich adopted these tactics in order to take back their perch. For a manager of a team inferior to another team by a good distance in every possible way, to better them is some achievment. that is why mist people rate him highly its stupid how one sided that league is.

You might point to last season, to a certain extent I agree. But they did have one he'll of an injury crisis and once these players started coming back they climbed from last to 7th witch in itself is a good achievment.

Now don't think I'm making excuses and I get where your coming from. I just like to look at the bigger picture and myself beleive the positives get outweigh the negatives.

I think any of Manchester United or Chelsea would of got klopp if they had the chance. I beleive he will get it right and as a liverpool fan has give me that feeling we could go some were. Only time will tell I guess but is there any better candidate, I can't think of one.

{Ed002's Note - Very damp indeed Chrisp. When did Klopp win the Bundesliga last? 2012.}

22 Feb 2016 22:13:30
2007 was pretty exciting too.

22 Feb 2016 08:34:34
Re my comments on watching malip it was my opinion on what I saw. at this time at still believe in JK but there have been quite a few examples of European leagues players who couldn't cut it in epl. let me say again it's only my opinion.

22 Feb 2016 09:50:29
There's been just as many who have cut it in the premier league. In fact French, Belgian, German and African-European players tend to be the safest bets. It's the players from more Mediterranean climates like Spain, Portugal, Italy, Turkey and Greece who've struggled the most historically.

I think Matip will be great under Klopp.

22 Feb 2016 10:14:35
Hope your right mate. Any luck on the job front? Haven't been on in a while.

22 Feb 2016 11:05:19
Cheers for asking Twinkletoes. Nothing concrete yet buddy but had a few positive interviews. Should here back from one company by Friday.

22 Feb 2016 12:33:19
The issue is that you're an example of 'fans' already assuming failure and disappointment from players months before we even own them and based on very little knowledge - maybe a highlight here or a match there. It's just irritating at this point - maybe before giving everyone the benefit of your opinion you could wait and see how he does for LFC for a little bit?

22 Feb 2016 17:56:38
I would like that some people actually give our players a chance and time to prove themselves and not judge them prematurely but I know my plea will fall on deaf ears.

22 Feb 2016 18:42:44
From what I've seen of matip, which is very little I'm just not convinced he's better than what we already have. If one of skrtel, sahko or Lovren where to leave and a real top quality centre back was purchased along with matip then I'd feel a lot better, but if matip is the only purchase, then here's hoping for a defensive coach.

I don't think Gomez is ready for CB and illori and wisdom are realistically on their way out unless wisdom impresses during the summer.

22 Feb 2016 19:18:33
How is he not better than what we have? He has pace and height and he uses them effectively.
He is a lot better than we already have, but that doesn't mean he'll succeed.
There is not one aspect of any of our current defenders which Matip is inferior unless you count losing possession, not competing on high balls and going to sleep at set pieces.