Liverpool Banter Archive September 21 2017

21 Sep 2017 21:27:24
@Bingo

On a friendly note mate, What are your ambitions for the season. We have 3 competitions left for the season

Cheers.

21 Sep 2017 22:14:47
harry can i add something to this please, what are the ambition and what do poster think we will achieve.

21 Sep 2017 23:01:25
Harry, the stark reality is that our team is very good BUT clearly, not the finished article yet BUT on the cusp of being great if key players are added to key positions. Can we compete for the PL or CL? Yes. Will we win the league? I really hope so BUT I still can't see it at least right now tho it's still very early.

The CL? Of course, we can compete for it as these are Cup games that could go either way. FA Cup? It's a Cup competition so you can't really say. However, this team still has some holes in it and I know many say it should have been sorted out in the summer and that may be true BUT did not or could not due to Klopp's own tapping up crap and his not wanting to buy stop gaps as CB's, agree or disagree. At this point, let's give it 15 games and then we can see if we can decent chance for the PL cos right now, we have to first try to score a goal and keep a clean sheet and move on from there. You asked an honest question, here's an honest answer. God bless, my friend.

22 Sep 2017 00:14:08
I'll answer for you Bingo. We're going to win the treble! 👍.

22 Sep 2017 05:12:47
2 para of random writing for a simple question Bingo 😄😄. Why don't you give me a definite reply rather than hindsight and If's and But's. Quite difficult ain't it? I know, half of the posters on this page doesn't have the balls to DREAM let alone achieve it!

Ohk I ll ask this question again after 15 games have been played😄😄.

22 Sep 2017 06:42:19
well said harry at this moment i can't even dream as im 99% sure my dreams will be destroyed come feb. o still expect with squad to finish top 6, Qf of Cl and with a bit of luck win the Fa cup.

22 Sep 2017 07:07:29
Crazy

But you could always jump the group from Optimistic to Realist to Pessimist 😄😄. That's how this page works! Ask this question after 10 games, you ll hear different answers from the same personal! 😎😎😎.

22 Sep 2017 07:45:39
imo, top4 and champions league k. o. stages. there would be improvement as in back to back champions league. but i can really see us going far in the champions league and mount a title challenge. we have a good team and we'll click soon. it is the concentration level of the players that needs improvement, im sure they're working on that.

22 Sep 2017 08:03:56
It's no problem, Harry. I dream with my eyes open. Also, What did you expect me to say? Say that we will win the PL, CL and FA Cup and blow teams away? Utter crap as things are not that simple. You lack perspective in almost everything you post, which makes you sound like a spoiled brat and self-entitled like Crazy Horse and the rest of your ilk. What are you even being petulant about? Have we been pulling any trees lately for the past 25 years in the PL? NO so where does all this self entitled attitude of yours come from?

Also, Saying half of the posters don't have the balls to dream is just insulting YET not surprising coming from you as you act like you are the most ambitious of all of us whereas, you don't even like Klopp and bash him. You are not any more ambitious than the rest of us, believe that.

Get off your pathetic pedestal mate and smell the coffee. These are not yes or no questions as a lot of things need to be considered. I know that is not your style as everything is always black or white and no middle ground as critical thinking us not be your strong point BUT that is the way it is.

22 Sep 2017 08:30:21
How about you answer first Harry and start the ball rolling? Or you Crazy? And it makes sense to change your view after 10 rounds as you have more information. No need to go from we will be relegated to we will win the league but it makes sense to review with more data.

22 Sep 2017 08:33:12
My hopes for the season are to finish in the top 4 again, which will give us consistency to build on.
Get out of the group in the champions league and win a domestic cup.
I think that will be a realistic sign of progress from last year.

22 Sep 2017 08:35:54
I am sorry Bingo asking you a straight forward YES or NO question. My sincere apologies mate! the next question would be a 10 mark question, I promise mate.

22 Sep 2017 08:41:36
ANdy

A top 3 finish in the league, FA cup and decent performance in CL.

22 Sep 2017 09:27:01
Realistically, hear me out - a top 5 or 6 finish (if we get a good CB or 2 in Jan, then top 4 position is more likely), get into the knock out stages in CL, anything like a Quarter Final or better in FA cup - depending on who we draw and again depending on if we can sign a defender or two in Jan, who knows. Next season will be the one to judge us on I feel - this has always been my view by the way before someone says "you've probably said this every season since Klopp came in".

22 Sep 2017 09:31:18
Olrish

That means we are not playing CL next season and you are ok with it?

22 Sep 2017 09:54:50
WCD - If we don't sign a defender or two and the current lot don't or can't click or gel, then honestly we have no right to be in that competition next season.
The league doesn't lie at the end of the season.
We can't say Klopp didn't try to sort out the personnel back there over the summer - he obviously in my eyes has sense and didn't waste funds on a sub standard alternative to who he wanted.
He took alternatives elsewhere on the pitch, Robertson instead of the lad who went to City from Monaco. Salah instead of Brandt etc. So he or the transfer committee clearly felt the Van Dijk alternatives were going to be no better than what we already had or their price was outrageous.
So yes I'd be okay with it but I'd expect huge improvement next season, top 3 or 4 finish and good cup runs like in his first half season.
Our expectations need to be realistic, otherwise you set yourself up for disappointment, anger, hate and all the rest.
I've had many, many years of watching us not hit the heights I want them to but so what, that's football.
If we didn't struggle, it'd be boring. I'm not one for boring.
I began supporting us when we were starting to go downhill right at the end of the 80's. Maybe it's just my character, that I like to fight for whatever I get. Maybe that's the opposite of the whiners' characteristics, maybe that's why I disagree with them so ferociously.
What would you be happy with?
What kind of character are you?
A fighter or a whiner? :)

22 Sep 2017 09:58:52
Harry - it's not simply about being ok with it or not

Ask yourself this question - with the position we're in, with the transition we're in, with the improvements we're still making since the Brendan era (and some years prior to that) do you think we're currently in a position where we can allow ourselves to demand consistent challenges for titles/ top four spots?

22 Sep 2017 10:41:20
Are we in a transition @flagon. I thought we have a settled squad mate.
@Olrish I don't think people would be happy to see a 5th place finish end of this campaign. 4th to 5th is not an improvement imo!

22 Sep 2017 12:07:40
In a positional sense no, but what if we over achieved last season?
4th place should have been maybe 5th or 6th except for the great end of season run we went on.
That was with a very weak (bench) side, which is widely accepted.
I think we did fantastically well to achieve 4th personally!

Think about it, Klopp in his first partial season got to two cup finals, sure we lost both but we got there nonetheless and then in his first full season he got us into the big one.
Not bad for a club who were in crisis when he took over.

He has improved us, he needs at least another 18 months to get us to improve again.
The only caveat to that in my eyes is if we begin to hover in the lower half of the table for too long either this season or next.
Then maybe we need to talk about underachieving and the likes.

I'm not saying he'll win the league for us by any means, this should be a marathon not a sprint in any case unless some sugar daddy comes in.

It might never happen again in our lifetime, who knows?!
As long as we're on tv I will watch.
As long as we play matches that I can go to support in the ground, I will spend my money to watch.

22 Sep 2017 13:09:31
Harry - obviously our squad isn't settled, otherwise you wouldn't be whining like you do mate ;)

You need to realize that we're in it for the long run - Klopp has definitely improved us compared to the state the club was in when he first signed. We all want to be successful, that should be a given, but we're not yet in the right position to be craving that success. I was a bit coloured when Klopp first came, and I too got a bit over confident thinking that Klopp would certainly bring us instant success. Then after his first season I got a bit more real. And then again after last season a bit more real.

Seems like you need to get real too mate.

23 Sep 2017 01:22:07
Hey Harry. I tend to agree with your response but depending on other events during the year, this will change. If we fail in the cup early, don't make it out of the group and fail to get into UCL, then you have a good hard look at things but until then, i will hope for the best and accept that things seldom meet expectations.

21 Sep 2017 19:31:05
More and more I am seeing what Ed002 saw wrong with Klopp, might be due to badluck but it is showing now.

21 Sep 2017 20:03:25
Good for you, personally I prefer to think for myself.

21 Sep 2017 20:15:24
I honestly doubt the thinking part of your statement.

21 Sep 2017 20:36:10
agreed smeg. too many sheep that don't think for themselves here :)

21 Sep 2017 20:47:20
What a ridiculous comment about a manager who somehow against all odds and the spending might of Bayern won not just one but two titles and reached a champions league final.

If you want football to be a business then we are behind four other clubs in the premier league and accept our place.

If like me you want to be entertained then carry on klopp!

21 Sep 2017 20:47:52
Yeah but the point ed002 made about the smiling clown act can only work for so wrong is starting to come true.

21 Sep 2017 23:29:40
Ed02 gave an opinion. That's all. The only way one can believe it is to believe him and call him the smiling clown, which is just pathetic and childish. As Smeg said, I have a brain and two eyes and can think for myself instead of parroting someone else's opinion.

21 Sep 2017 15:35:08
sorry for going over old ground but can you ever see a DoF working with JK at Liverpool?

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has a Sporting Director already - their massive mistake was not getting Susi Zorc when he was very unsettled - he was the real guiding light at Dortmund - not Klipperty. Sadly the fans are only interested in hearing that they have a world class manager and are not interested in the truth Barry.}

21 Sep 2017 16:01:29
We know you're thoughts on Klopp. You have great knowledge and do brilliant job along with other Eds. But find the constant repeated digs rather boring now.

{Ed002's Note - What digs? Would you like to point out anything I have said that is untrue - If you find it boring it is easy to remove your account and you can probably easily find a site that will tell you that Klopp's win percentage as a Liverpool manager is better than the likes of Rodgers, van Gaal at Manchester United, Moyes at Manchester United, Avram Grant at Chelsea and lots of others. I appreciate that you are not interested in the truth. I answered a question regarding the Director of Football/Sporting Director - then straight away the whining little cretin that you are has to come and try and make it about me. Perhaps you should spend some time finding out a few truths about Liverpool and Klopp. It is always the same with the ignorant DFs like you.}

21 Sep 2017 16:09:17
Is zorc not possible now?

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool appointed someone already. They have no interest in Zorc but he could yet end up at another Premier League club.}

21 Sep 2017 16:49:23
The truth hurts.

21 Sep 2017 16:50:24
Z99 there are no digs by Ed02, he see things differently than most of the Lfc fan- without the redtinted glasses. i 101% agree with 02, if not where r the Levandofski or Auba or the other hidden gem we Lfc fans crave to unearth and Kloop has not found them, may be not yet. why is it so simple for Bm to change managers and still play the same way without changing all thier players.

21 Sep 2017 16:55:28
Hi Ed002, would Michael Zorc want to work with Klopp again? I know they were close but I was wondering why Klopp never pushed the case. Also, Klopp does seem to be trying to do exactly the same at LFC but is the marketplace the same anymore? I feel like the world of football is no longer compatible with unearthing 'little gems' if you are at a "major" team. one sniff around a player tends to put £10m more on his head. add to this the difference in pressure he'll be feeling at LFC given the EPL demands (and our - perhaps - unrealistic wants) and it is a very different circumstance to Dortmund. I'm not sure he has the nous to achieve success in the EPL but as I've said before I'll support my team and hope that success follows soon.

{Ed002's Note - I don't know what you mean by "pushed the case". Zorc is an employee of another club and is up there with Monchi in terms of reputation.}

21 Sep 2017 17:14:46
Crazy

I try to see things differently without the glasses but always ends up getting abuses! Strange though 😄😄.

21 Sep 2017 17:29:25
If you've nothing nice to say then don't say it at all ed 😇.

21 Sep 2017 17:36:45
IMO, Win pct's are nothing but false statistics to prove a flash point which does not reflect the whole picture. Here is a stat that needs to be taken into consideration regarding body of work as to me, that is what matters.

LVG has been successful and has been coaching for over 30 years so no probs, there. Avram Grant and Moyes have won nothing in their careers. Klopp has. Moyes in his first full season, won nothing, came 7th with a team that won the PL the season before and got sacked. Klopp got us CL footie in his first full season. Avram Grant played a CL final. So did Klopp. Klopp played an EL final with BR's players, the very ones he was trashing in the media to save his own skin. BR won nothing here after 3.5 yrs and over 300m spent cos like it or not, coming second is not a trophy as that only gets you into the CL group stages, same thing Klopp did, spending less than Arsenal and a fraction of Utd's spending and beating them both to it, last season. These are the facts.

Those who think Klopp is world class, is their opinion and they are allowed to have it. I never said he was world class either BUT he is a very good manager and has taken us forward since he arrived BUT a lot more needs to be done so it will be a roller-coaster ride and hopefully, we can get there sooner rather than later.

Klopp has been given the job and he should be judged on his overall body of work, not on subjective stats that can make one look good and the other look bad. Anyone who has taken a stats class (I have) can come up with such numbers as you can make a stat say what you want it to say.

{Ed002's Note - OK - Klopp got the job and has continued the rich vein of failure. The owners are desperate for success and Klopp cannot deliver. The repeated excuses given by the fans are embarrassing. Klopp has one nothing for years - and when he did the players were found by someone else. Klopp has purchased some decent players but generally badly at Liverpool, this year making himself subject to ridicule by naming the four players he would be signing and getting none. His actions have been illegal and unprofessional and as last year he has caused very significant embarrassment to the club. You don't seem to have any grasp of the bigger picture at all - not in any way of form as we see by your constant and repetative comments.}

21 Sep 2017 17:45:49
An important lesson was learnt today, don't call the eds opinion boring.

21 Sep 2017 17:46:25
When did he name the four players and who would you consider to be bad signings?

{Ed002's Note - Read the post.}

21 Sep 2017 18:01:06
Bingo. Klopp has won nothing and getting beat in 2 finals is not winning either and he is a genuis! This time next year he will nearly be here as long as Rodgers and Klopp, like any other manager should be judged on his trophy count, which at the minute is exactly the same as Rodgers. What happens if we don't get 4th or above this season? Is that taking us forward?

21 Sep 2017 18:05:33
just reputation does not makes you win. i look at Pooch at spurs snd i eould take him instead of Kloop at this moment. Kloop has done nothing special yet, even Br got us top 4 and a better finish then Kloop. Kloop might come good and i totally believe that he should be given a bit more time, that does not mean he is the greatest out there, yhe one who made Bm invinsible and more over free from any fault. there is a good spine to our team its Kloop and his stubbonness to persist with a system which looks good in paper but in reaity it is completlety f#$ked up.

21 Sep 2017 18:26:46
Irish, I said this very thing a couple of days ago. As it stands I do not think Klopp has made any major strides other than helping the confidence of the players. But overall I do not see an improvement, not a significant one anyway. Two years and millions spent, I still think his tenure has been mediocre at best. I'm not saying Liverpool are a bad side, quite the opposite, and I will be nervous playing you on the 14th of next month. I just don't see a vast improvement. He's been there two years and you still arguably need a new keeper, three/ four new defenders and a defensive midfielder. That's FIVE/ SIX positions still to fill. I don't see how you can justify paying £70m for VVD when there are still four/ five other positions to fill without talking about strikers and back-up midfielders. That's some work left to do.

If he wins nothing and falls out of the top four he will likely lose his job IMO.

{Ed025's Note - for someone who,s team has had moyes and van gaal in recent years sydney, i think you have got a bloody cheek having a pop at liverpools manager mate..

21 Sep 2017 18:28:30
We still could do with a new sporting director always thought it was a mistake and risky appointing edwards.

21 Sep 2017 18:32:25
Well, win percentage without context is pretty much no use. If it's all about win percentage, then we should immediately sack Klopp and re-hire Rafa. Best win percentage we've had this side of 1991, after all. Plus he won stuff.

So let's talk about the context.

Klopp has improved the squad, particularly in forward areas, has a clear tactical plan for arguably the first time since Rafa (Hodgson and Rodgers just seemed to throw stuff at the wall to see would it stick, and Kenny signed a ponitailed drunkard that he wasn't really able to get into games), brought some good youngsters into the first team squad and I think he handled the Coutinho situation as well as could be expected.

But a lot of things haven't been good enough. His conduct in the transfer market this summer was pretty poor and could've landed us in serious trouble. It may still do. The worst part is he and the club seem to have expected Southampton to cave on van Dijk and basically invite us to bid again, despite us publically withdrawing interest, hence no attempt being made to identify and sign an alternative. Even with no FA investigation, that is biting us in the ass in a big way so far this season. The other center backs he's signed have been too slow (Klavan) and too lazy (Matip) to really be effective.

He's badly fouled up the goalkeeping situation and is continuing to mishandle it imo. First by caving into media and fan pressure to drop Karius, then for not restoring him to the team when he had a chance to in Jan/ Feb last season when Migs was still jittery, and now for continuing to use Migs as first choice despite having two better goalkeepers avaialble to him. I'm hard pressed to see him not negatively impacting the development of either Ward or Karius with this carry on. And also, this can't be great for Migs' confidence either. He surely must have twigged that, despite what he's said to the media, Klopp is likely to instate either Karius or Ward as first choice at some point in the future. Or else why are they both still here?

And whilst I'm not blaming, and don't think anyone can blame, Klopp for the lack of leadership in the dressing room and the number 'fair weather' players we have in the team, he hasn't helped it by signing two of the worst offenders (Matip and Wijnaldum) .

Does this mean I want him sacked, run out of the city, publically flogged or anything like that? No. I want him to stay. I think it's worth remembering that we're a club in only our second season in the Champions League in 9 years, and that we had become pretty rudderless under Rodgers (seriously someone please describe what Rodgers' game plan was from about November 2014 on, cos I don't think he had one) and he has improved us from there. He will eventually resolve the goalkeeping situation, and should sort out the center back issue.

But he clearly isn't perfect, needs to be read the riot act over his approach to transfers (if that hasn't happened already) and people need to have their skin reinforced if they get sore about Ed002 saying negative things about him once in a while. It's not like Ed002 is making stuff up.

{Ed025's Note - that was a good read SR but also one of the most contradictory posts ever, you list lots of complaints about klopps behaviour and tactical failings but then conclude that you want him to continue as your manager?, or maybe its just me mate..

21 Sep 2017 18:40:52
I was over the moon when we got JK as manager and like every manager that's gone before I will back him 100% but just of late I have asked myself is he the man who's going to bring the silverware home? Maybe or maybe not only time will tell.

21 Sep 2017 18:44:25
Not a pop Ed025, it's my opinion. And Moyes and LvG were not good appointments.

Although I do believe LvG won an FA Cup within two seasons at a struggling United.

{Ed025's Note - one thing you can say about klopp sydney is that his teams are good to watch at least mate..

21 Sep 2017 18:47:15
I'm trying to make the point that has made mistakes and has a couple of blind spots, but I think on the whole he's improved us and therefore I want him to stay. Guess I'm not doing the greatest job of it.

Tbh, most of his failings are around recruitment. If that could get sorted, we'd be golden.

21 Sep 2017 18:57:00
Constructive criticism guys. please!

21 Sep 2017 18:57:36
Oh well, I guess Mr. Ferguson was a failure in his first 4-5 years too.

21 Sep 2017 19:05:11
I think Liverpool's attack has been great to watch since Suarez days. It's the defending that always let's Liverpool down. And IMO the inability to break down "Park the bus" teams. Liverpool's biggest attribute for me has been their ability to rise to the occasion against the top sides. They always seem to treat them like a cup final and always play well. Like I said I will always get nervous playing Liverpool. I'm not having a dig at Klopp, just having an opinion on his time at Liverpool thus far. Hey he may win the Champions League and Premier League and then he's a God, but so far he hasn't been the God Liverpool fans had hoped for, but he is manager and they'll keep backing him and rightly so. It's a big season for Klopp IMO.

21 Sep 2017 19:08:48
#Kloppstays
Ridiculous that people who have no clue what our club is all about wants our manager out after less than 2 years and a top 4 place last year which in my opinion was incredible considering he had a weak squad.
Empty comments from people who wouldn't know a good club if it hit them slap bang in the face.
Negative Nellys.
You'll never walk alone is it?
If you're truly a Liverpool fan, in my opinion you're a poor one and maybe you should learn what our club used to represent before empty shells like you came along.
Come at me if ya want.
You're the disgrace, not me!

21 Sep 2017 19:03:51
A good liverpool team isn't even good to watch ed025 😂😂if you are entitled to voice a opinion surely syd is too you had moyes bobby and now koeman at everton and none have covered themselves in glory but i still think your opinions are worth reading. shocked to see you having a pop at syd for giving an onion mate. but he is a big boy and can take it😁.

{Ed025's Note - i just thought it a bit rich ken after how dour united have been these past few years, i totally agree about everton and as you say its all about onions, or opinions.. :)

21 Sep 2017 19:33:20
Redskin, Sir Alex Ferguson's first full season in charge at MU was 87/ 88 season. I think he won the FA Cup 89/ 90. So more like two seasons, not 4-5 years. So this is a big season for Klopp. That's all I'm saying. Which I think is a fair comment.

How long would you give him? If he were to finish outside the top four and no trophies won, should he be given another season? What's your thoughts? I only as because all Liverpool managers bar Hodgson are treated like Gods until sacked.

How long would you give him and when do you say enough is enough?

21 Sep 2017 19:38:29
kev how many people said they want kloop out? we all say that he is not what we expected him to be. he is no messaih he is just a good manager who should be critisized if he is not getting the result.

21 Sep 2017 19:42:15
Irish, you need to read my post again. Klopp took us further in Cup competitions in 8 months than BR did in 3 years, period. Now did he win? No BUT the on;ly people who win or lose finals are those who get to play in them. From where Klopp found us at that time, that in itself is an improvement on what BR already, win or not. You are free to disagree. Also, I never said he was a genius so where you get that from is up to you.

If, If, If. I don't care about if this or that. We don't know what will happen in the future and even if we don't get top 4, his fate will be in FSG's hands, not yours or mine. Projections are not facts. If you want Klopp gone after two years of not winning a trophy (BR went 3 without a sausage) then, have at it. Klopp will find better clubs than LFC BUT will we find a better manager than him? There's always Woy and big Sam. Remember, he is FSG's 4th manager in 7 years. If you think you're going to win the PL doing that nonsense then go ahead. You will have NO more managers left to hire and we will not be winning the PL in a hundred years. The impatience on these boards is deafening after 4 measly games at the start of the season.

{Ed025's Note - im with you bingo..

21 Sep 2017 19:52:48
You wrongly accused me of something earlier crazy horse in a blind fury so until you answer the questions I posed to you on that thread I'll not be bothered replying to your silly posts anywhere else.
They're only "silly" because I'm not allowed to use harsher words on here to describe them.
Open your 4 eyes and read the posts.

21 Sep 2017 20:00:04
I don't agree with a lot of what you post Bingo but you took the words right out my mouth in your last post. Well said!

21 Sep 2017 20:03:24
OIrish, I got your back if they come at you, as well mate. Brilliant post!

21 Sep 2017 20:16:35
I don't think anyone is calling for his head, but surely other Liverpool fans are allowed to question their club manager. Or is it a dictatorship? Is this North Korea? Haha.

{Ed025's Note - its a bit like north korea sydney...liverpool are firing blanks..

21 Sep 2017 20:21:30
What PL clubs could Zorc end up at ed002?

21 Sep 2017 20:31:16
Cheers Bingo.
To even be questioning or discussing our position in the league and Klopp's position at the club smells of poo stirring from outside that's spread in amongst us.
People then follow blindly.
If it wasn't ridiculous it'd be funny but I'm concerned for some people's sanity.
It may as well be North Korea because they follow an idiot blindly too.
Same with the Americans, same with the British if you want to go down the politics route.
The leaders of these countries are extra special, not in touch with reality and don't know their arse from their elbow.
Thankfully they're not from my neck of the woods.
Trump? Johnson? Seriously?! Wow!

21 Sep 2017 20:35:26
If Klopp doesn't win anything with Liverpool how does that make him a better manager? Its deluded Bingo. Its a results based business, trophies in the cabinet.

He needs to step up big time. His personality only takes him so far. He needs to win a trophy this season or he will be on par with Rodgers and that's a fact.

21 Sep 2017 21:17:20
No Kev you have Gerry Adams.

21 Sep 2017 21:20:04
No one is saying he should be sacked now, that's ridiculous. He is still very capable of winning something this season. I am merely asking what should happen if you finish outside top four and fail to win a trophy. Should he continue as manager? And how long do you go until enough is enough.

These performances will change soon and results will improve I have no doubt about that. It's merely a blip, but the questions above are still relevant.

21 Sep 2017 21:21:32
Got to love how striaght to the point and how the master ED02 just says it how it is respect my friend agree or disagree how i love to read your replys to (as you say) the cretins lol.

21 Sep 2017 23:09:29
Irish Rover,
Since when has he become my political leader?
Are you not Irish?

21 Sep 2017 23:29:06
I seem to remember a certain Scottish born manager taking over at Man U who won virtually nothing for 7 seasons. Sometimes patience pays off.

21 Sep 2017 23:50:04
Irish, you must have issues reading. If's and but's are irrelevant here as we don't know what will happen in the future. Again, Klopp is no genius and his mistakes are well documented BUT the constant moaning and projecting him being a failure after two years or when his time will be done whenever that is, is just crazy and dishonest. Is it too much to ask that you let the process run its course b4 you judge the man. BR got 3 season and a half years to prove his incompetence, at least.

Where have I said that he should not win trophies? Pay attention. All I said was that those comparing him to BR or Poch are off their rocker as he is a better manager than BR as he has achieved MORE in his career than BR and Poch, who as not even a sausage to his name in his whole career and for Spurs and he's been there longer BUT he's better than Klopp? That is factually false. Until they succeed as much and where Klopp has succeeded domestically (the Scottish pub league does not count as Neil Lennon was great there too) and in Europe (his record there is better than Wenger's), they will continue to eat his dust.

They are not a patch on Klopp as he has a trophy cabinet with two back to back Leagues and German Cups and Super Cups. Who did he beat to get all those? The great Bayern. The fact that he used BR's own players, the ones he used to trash in the media to save his skin, to get us onto two finals including a European final, is a scathing indictment on BR himself. Pls, Let the process run it's course and we will judge him when all is said and done, that's all I'm saying and him having a sticky patch in the first 5 games in
the season proves absolutely nothing about what the future holds. God bless, my friend.

22 Sep 2017 07:12:51
Excellent post again Bingo - take note Rover please, I'm sure your heart is in the right place but you need and many others need a little home truth or two.

KBL - Well said mate, not sure if your 7 season comment is correct but still, you're not too far off in terms of the league holy grail anyway.
And if you're miles off with 7 seasons, it's only fair as people have been giving untrue "facts" on Klopp for quite a while now.
The pathetic Vulchers are most definitely beginning to take flight before they attempt to circle - pathetic!

22 Sep 2017 11:40:37
Klopp did brilliantly with a thin squad last season, that tells me he is a decent manager. It's only natural to doubt the players and the manager after a run of four poor results but I really feel we should stick with it. I am starting to get a tad worried as I think liverpool attacking style requires a certain amount of confidence. All football does of course but a fluid attacking team more so than many other styles. I don't think the heads have dropped yet but they were clearly shaken up by the city defeat where it must have seemed we came up against a brick wall. I don't like saying it but city are the better team this year and I think the boys realised that last month and they have lost z bit of confidence. I have absolutely no doubt that we can turn it around and I still believe we can finish top four, no problem. I actually still believe we could win it, probably sounds deluded but there are no teams that we have no chance of beating.

We miss mane as we did last year and a big reason for this is because he is a clinical finisher. You don't have to be a poacher to be a clinical finisher of course. Liverpool need to be more ruthless in front of goal. If liverpiol were a player it would be Adam lallana, clever creative gets stuck in against players twice his side and wins but doesn't put the ball in the back of the net as much as he should, compared to the amount of chances he has.

Liverpool do have a plan b this year that sees us sit off opposition but I think we need a plan c and d. There are times we need to be able to lob the ball into box. And there are times we need to play long ball football.

Klopp is a good manager but the great managers adapt when things are not working. Will he do this? That remains to be seen. I hope he does coz I really like him. Obviously I don't know him but I'm a fairly good judge of character and I think he is one of the good guys.

22 Sep 2017 11:45:40
I'm trying to think who the bad signings are? Karius? Matip? I don't think they're bad signings, they're not marquee signings or league winning samples but the two of them cost less than 10 mil didn't they? Klavan was his only bad signing imo.

22 Sep 2017 11:45:42
I'll give you a few "gems" klopp has "unearthed" Sadio mane mohamad salah and naby keita.

22 Sep 2017 11:55:40
Klopp's mistakes are well documented and I never defended them and will never do. He made mistakes and that is clear and should be held accountable for them. Every manager makes mistakes BUT the bigger picture needs to be looked at and sorry, for those doubting Klopp cos we are on a bad run to me, means nothing as no one knows the future.

One said on here that that Poch is better than Klopp. How can that be true when he has won nothing since he arrived at Spurs (he's been there longer, btw) . In fact, he has won NOTHING in his whole career and even can't beat Klopp and has not in all 5 games he's played him while Klopp has leagues and Cups in his cabinet, beating the all powerful Bayern in the process. Have Spurs put pressure on him cos he can't win a home game yet? Didn't think so.

As for those saying Moyes is some way better than Klopp, Ed25 responded to you perfectly. Bravo, monsieur!

We are talking about the win pct thingy as that was the stat you put up which I disagree with. I may not grasp things very well as BUT the points I put up, you did not dispute any of them which means either you agree or you did not just respond to it. Whichever way, I'm cool with it. God bless, my friend.

21 Sep 2017 20:21:30
What PL clubs could Zorc end up at ed002?

{Ed002's Note - Arsenal.}

21 Sep 2017 13:59:48
Ed002 what do you make of the result of the court case regarding the school child Liverpool screwed over!

Apparently LFC and the Premier League have paid a £49,000 settlement fee to cover the kids school fee debts, and cleared any compensation due to Stoke so the kid can move on with his career.

What an absolute mess, but i sounds like Liverpool got away with one there. I hope they learn their lesson as it does leave a rather sour taste, this one. Shocking that an establishment as rich as football even took this to court. The fees should've just been wiped to save face in my opinion.

Is this the end of it? And if so have we got off lightly in your opinion?

{Ed002's Note - It is not the result of a court case MK. Liverpool were desperate to avoid a court case due to a major issue (the "smoking gun" I mentioned throughout the summer) that would have arisen. The Premier League will obviously not be paying anything - Liverpool will pay the compensation due to Stoke to release him from his contract, all school fees until he of age and compensation to the parents. The kid will however not move to Liverpool but will be allowed to join any other side free of charge - this might well be Everton. The Premier League are owed a significant "thank you" from Liverpool for facilitating this.}

21 Sep 2017 15:06:22
I dare not ask what the smoking gun was. Sounds like we dodged a bullet if you'll pardon the pun.

Cheers though Ed. Thank god it is
resolved though, and i hope the kid gets his career back on track at Everton or wherever.

Sounds like the Premier League have done us a solid though! Phew!

21 Sep 2017 15:16:28
I'm happy the club will get everything sorted. Shows maturity to right their wrongs. Hopefully learn from all the new rules in place and move on from this.

21 Sep 2017 15:13:07
Thank you premier league.

21 Sep 2017 15:42:17
MK you are on this forum often enough to have gleaned from ed02 what the smoking gun was surely? It was related to claims made in Gerrard's autobiography re player recruitment.

{Ed002's Note - It was nothing to do with that at all stoneage.}

21 Sep 2017 15:53:13
Good to hear that mess has been put to bed.
Should take the money out of the individual's salaries who caused this in the first place.
I was told Liverpool wanted this to go to trial as they refused to pay the money for the kid's education.
Either way, they partially got what they deserved, yet got off lightly in many ways.
Hope the kid goes on to have a fantastic career!

{Ed002's Note - You were told completely wrong.}

21 Sep 2017 16:28:10
I get the impression stoneage that the issue which would've arisen was more related to Liverpool bribing the player to lie to his then current club (Stoke), thus manipulating a minor and his family into breaching their contract. I would imagine that is gross misconduct, an actual breaking of the law (not just football rules) and we could've seen a points deduction or a complete transfer ban. That's all just guess work though from piecing together various bits of information I've read here and elsewhere.

Whatever it was, we should move on now we know this is the end of it.

{Ed002's Note - Move on - you don't know what it was about.}

21 Sep 2017 16:41:07
Looks like it Ed002.
I'm easily led lol.

21 Sep 2017 16:51:44
No problem Ed002, that's what i was suggesting anyway mate. Thanks for your insights as always.

21 Sep 2017 18:37:58
Very happy this situation has been sorted out for the family and the kid. Hope he goes on to have a good career.

22 Sep 2017 11:40:06
Talking of kids, I forget the lad's name (but it's quite long I think, foreign, eastern European perhaps? ) Who signed for liverpool in the summer and was hailed as a fantastic signing and made it into the papers (unusual for juniors) I think he was 16 but not sure. Do you know who I mean eds? Well I just wanted to ask how he is getting on? Has he performed well and if so how long until he starts getting reserve matches etc. (He didn't look anywhere near ready in terms to his physicality. Was very slight)

21 Sep 2017 13:04:50
Do we know if Ryan Kent has had any minutes at Freiburg? Keen to keep track of his progression.

21 Sep 2017 13:16:26
45 minutes vs Leverkusen at the weekend mate, came on at half time when they were 3 nil down.
He looked good in patches but they were well beaten in the end 4 nil.

21 Sep 2017 13:26:18
Thanks.

21 Sep 2017 13:34:31
This is 23carragold's job but he's been on his hols 🤝.

21 Sep 2017 14:18:17
Oh sorry Ron.
No worries, I'll know that in future, apologies.

21 Sep 2017 11:25:18
Hi ed01 got a question for you as you said yesterday you have been watching RBL Liepzig recently. I watched a podcast yesterday where some journalists where talking about our start to the season and how it compares when Klopp took over at Dortmund (yes he had a stronger defensive base when he took over and brought Subotic from Mainz to join Hummels), but they brought the lead football writer from Der Zone (spelt wrong) a guy named Alexander Schurtler (spelling) as an expert on Klopp at Dortmund but the thing he said that took my notice most is that he states Naby Kieta is the best player in the Bundesliga, now i've look at youtube and as we all know even Quasimodo could look like a superstar on youtube, but as youve stated youve watched a bit of him recently what's your own assessment please.

{Ed001's Note - he was also on Bein Sports saying the same things mate. It is difficult to argue from what I have seen this season. Lewandowski is not at his best, nor is Aubameyang so far. Keita has really stood out like a sore thumb. What I have seen has made me really excited for his arrival.}

21 Sep 2017 11:43:58
thanks for the quick reply Ed maybe its a bit of a bright light at the end of a dark tunnel.

{Ed001's Note - it looks like a blindingly bright light so far this season, he really does look a worldy.}

21 Sep 2017 11:57:54
How would you like to see up line up with him in the team Ed001? Would he be our defensive midfielder?

{Ed001's Note - god no, he is a box to box midfielder. We need someone to sit deep and him in central midfield in front, alongside another central mid.}

21 Sep 2017 13:25:19
DM? No way. You might as well give him back to RBL and forget about it. Naby is unbelievable, a true football specimen both physically and technically. Pace, power, vision, dribbling ability, shooting, scoring and assisting. The total package. Another thing tha caught my eye when he played vs Schalke this season, he is the king of the nutmeg, lol. He nutmeged the oppo at least 4/ 5 times in that game. He should be the B2B when he comes in with someone else sitting in behind.

21 Sep 2017 13:37:40
Oh that' will do for me! If eds says he's a worldy then that's made my day.
Just need two CB and defensive midfielder and I'd be over the moon.
Oh and ward between the sticks.

21 Sep 2017 14:02:27
Along the lines of

Can
Keita Coutinho

Shame the other 2 will most likely be off ed. We will be doing another rebuilding project won't we?

21 Sep 2017 14:33:14
Can will be gone.

21 Sep 2017 15:03:45
The guy is just incredible at picking up the ball and transitioning defence into attack - he gets back and does the dirty work, but once he has possession and gets on the move, defences are scared of him with the ball at his feet, he's a bit like a midfield version of Mane breaking forward.

I think he's going to be incredible at adding a real threat to our play from midfield, think a Hendo, Keita and Coutinio midfield would be phenomenal.

21 Sep 2017 16:08:09
To see Keita at his best next season, we need to sign a CDM. If we can keep Coutinho as well, it will be Keita, Coutinho and a CDM in midfield. Now that is what a well balanced midfield is supposed to look like, not this juggled up mess we have right now.

21 Sep 2017 17:06:01
Keita, Llalana and Gary Medal eds?

{Ed001's Note - Medel looks a bit past his best now sadly.}

21 Sep 2017 23:39:49
Only just turned 30 and with his nous should be able for a couple of years, come on eds dream a bit. 😋.

{Ed001's Note - I would love to but I see signs of a player who is worn out when I watch him. Might just need a break, Chile's players have had an insane schedule over the last few years.}

21 Sep 2017 10:49:09
Hope everyone is well. Stayed away for a while to let the transfer window postings to die off hopefully have now.

I personally believe Moreno has really stepped up his game still has a way to go to improve his defensive game but it is much much better than it has been. In terms of what he offers going forward there is no doubts on that front the boy can play. Anyone who still finds time to slag the player off is obviously media led and not really watching the player perform.

In terms of the defence TAA had his first wobble last match which is to be expected of such a young player and will learn more from his bad games than he will his good. Still don't miss clyne.

Personally I would start Gomez and matip as first choice cbs for the next 10 games together now see how it goes let them form a partnership.

Think everyone in front of the defence has been top notch so far and the results will come if we can organise the back line we will be a real force.

PS anyone seen ed25 recently sure he thought his lot where going to be something special this season. never mind Ed normal service resumed.

21 Sep 2017 12:04:31
what r u talking about? did u by mistake wrote this in the second week of Pl when we defeated arsenal.

21 Sep 2017 12:37:36
I thought it was a great post jkh and i agree with you on nearly every point. I don't think the midfield has been great though. Hendo, Gini and Can have all struggled but i feel as though it is because they're too similar. They needed Lallana or Coutinho alongside them.

That point aside, great assessment in my opinion. I'd do exactly what you said regarding the defence.

21 Sep 2017 13:30:57
Spot on, JKH BUT three midfield needs some work tho. They need to havde defined roles for each player cos Lallana is out and that is messing things up right now cos the other 3 are too similar so Can can hold and either Wiji can be the B2B with Cou in the no. 10. The roles should be defined that way so every man knows his job. Defensively, We need a partnership for a sustained period, regardless of who it is so we can get some rhythm going cos the constant changing does not help with communication and rhythm cos each time, it seems the one CB does not know what the other CB will do. See Burnley goal.

21 Sep 2017 14:27:49
Sorry jkh, I'm not sure which games you've been watching, but our midfield has been anything but top notch - especially defensively. They're far too unorganized and our defence way too often pays for price for that.

Agree about Moreno though, and I too believe it is time to form a stone solid partnership at the back four and especially between our centre backs - whether it be Gomez/ Matip, Lovren/ Matip or Lovren/ Gomez. Something in that manner definitely needs to happen soon.

22 Sep 2017 11:55:54
Yeah agree the mid 3 lacks a little balance but this I put down to not having Coutinho or Lallana to call upon at the start of the season.

Crazy Horse if you can look past the result and what I was saying for the players/ roles that have performed you may have understood the post.

21 Sep 2017 10:24:44
I am ill in bed and wondered when the last podcast was so I could perk myself up. I know Eddie 1 said about doing one with special guests did I miss it.

{Ed001's Note - ohhhh we still haven't done it! It got so hectic here I completely forgot.}

21 Sep 2017 10:43:12
OK no problem hope you get it done soon. Maybe reet Harry mk could be in it too. Keep up the good work Edd.

{Ed001's Note - thanks mate. I will try and get something sorted soon.}

21 Sep 2017 10:57:03
Take good care of yourself Redwalter. We need you mate!

21 Sep 2017 11:35:57
Trust me you don't want me on a podcast 😂 i get too passionate. Can you edit out swear words 01? Haha.

{Ed001's Note - erm, no idea.}

21 Sep 2017 12:05:48
Too much negativity Walter, you need to rebalance 😄

Get well soon mate 🤕.

21 Sep 2017 12:34:15
Cheers guys.

{Ed001's Note - apologies, forgot to wish you well, so get well soon negs!}

21 Sep 2017 09:45:43
dear eds,

it seems we are all sinking to a hopeless pit of despair at the moment. we can only hope things get better .
but do u see any young centerback prospects in the youth teams we have at the moment in any way special? can any of them advance into a first team role by any chance?

many thanx in advance.

{Ed001's Note - this has been asked a lot since the VVD debacle and the consensus is Masterson.}

21 Sep 2017 10:03:43
Have heard only good things about him, except that he might be a tad lacking in pace but all other skills are supposed to be good for a CB prospect.

Read somewhere he cost us £800 - 900k.
Incredible money in my eyes for one so young (think he was 16 or 17 when he joined us), so he must have something special about him.

21 Sep 2017 10:17:03
Have to say when I've seen Masterson he didn't appear to lack pace, Kev. Though he may have just looked quick relative to the age group/ quality of opposition.

My only concern with him is that he tends to go for a wander similar to how Van Dijk, Maguire of Luiz would. He plays a decent pass or beats a man and then just gets a bit carried away. That of course leaves gaps at the back. The difference is that unlike Matip, he busts a gut to get back into position.

Still very young though mate. I think maybe January time when the FA cup kicks off he deserves a cameo or two.

21 Sep 2017 10:37:29
No you may well be right MK.
I haven't seem more than 3 or 4 matches with him in them and it was someone else who watches youth football over here in Ireland who had told me this.

Like I said, I only have heard good things other than that and have seen only good things so far.
He has looked accomplished to me.
Don't think he's quite ready yet for senior football though, I might be wrong there too. I suppose it depends on the opposition.

God forbid we give the kid a chance and lose to a Premier league team in a cup match, can you imagine the utter tosh that'd be spouted on here then?!

21 Sep 2017 11:38:08
It'd probablybgo into meltdown Kev 🙄😂.

21 Sep 2017 12:29:15
Especially if Woodburn is on the pitch too - see what I did there?!
"Meltdown" - "Woodburn" eh eh?!
Oh thank fig it's nearly Friday, I'm getting desperate :)

21 Sep 2017 09:09:28
I see there's speculation that Lovren has pulled out of the last 2 games last minute? Do you know anything about it eds? It would explain the changes and why Klavan is playing way too much right now.

{Ed002's Note - No idea, I assukme it would be injury related in which case it would be a surprise the club didn't know.}

21 Sep 2017 09:29:15
I mentioned a while back that it's known that he's going through some personal problems at the moment Ings.
Can't go into it on here but the information is out there.

21 Sep 2017 02:42:59
Just to put Liverpool's poor form into context Real Madrid lost 1-0 to Real Betis tonight, Madrid had 27 shots and 60% possession. They have now failed to win all 3 of their league home games and are 7th in the league, 7 points off the top, Sevilla by the way are second.
Now I'm not trying to compare this Liverpool team to Real's or Klopp to Zidane but it does go to show that even the best team in the world can have a poor patch.
It was only a few weeks ago that we were thrashing Hoffenheim and Arsenal, now is the time to get behind the manager and players, there may be a time in the future to press the panic button but this isn't it. If you can't support them when they are losing don't support them when they are winning!

21 Sep 2017 06:02:48
Means nothing mate. Real will still walk to the 2nd position in la Liga.
But in epl we have 6 genuine teams fighting for top 4. So two will have to miss out and that is where dropping points at home to lesser opposition is going to hurt us. It is still very early in the season but early season problems show that we haven't learnt from past and are carrying on with same old story.
Last year we fought very hard for that 4th spot when we were on top till December.
We loose critical players and the team can't get an result. That is the biggest issue.

21 Sep 2017 06:57:06
It's a fair point Smeg Head, every single team in the world loses.
It's not what some are pointing out though is it?
Everyone who thinks normally understands that you're going to lose some games each season, I think many are just fed up of it being the same old story for us though.
Endless numbers of possession and long range, pointless, wasteful shots over the bar game after game from the same 3 or 4 players.
I'm not moaning personally at all by the way, just pointing out what I have read between the lines from the readable moans on here.
I myself want us to try to work our way in instead of shooting so much.
Long range shots 20 plus times each game is getting ridiculous.
It's statistically proven that far more goals are scored from inside the box, so get the ball into a player or players in there and we might score 1 out of 20 times for example, shooting from 30 yards might get you a goal every 50 times or maybe more (judging by our long range shooting recently) .

21 Sep 2017 07:05:55
I don't know why people bring " Support " into the context every time we loose or draw a game or someone points out a glaring mistake that has been happening week in week out! Who does not support the team here? You don't even understand the intention when a fan points out a mistake! Do you?

21 Sep 2017 08:01:33
Ak, you are right. But if you look at the table we are actually level with or ahead of Arsenal, Spurs and Everton.

So unless you are concerned that Newcastle are going to maintain their form, we are still well in the race. Chelsea in 3rd a 2 points ahead of us. We're only 5 points behind City and United. In 5 weeks time when everyone has played 10 games you'll have a better idea, but even then you can't accurately predict anything until about March next year.

No point losing sleep over 2 defeats.

21 Sep 2017 08:09:18
Why do you think players shoot from distance Mr Olish? It's very difficult to get into the 6 yard box when you have a China Wall infront of you. We play narrow. hardly uses width and the only one capable against Leicester was Robertson. Both Flanagan and AOX on the right were piss poor! How many crosse did they put in individually or combined?
Width becomes crusical when it is near difficult to penetrate through the middle. That's why Klopp wanted Mendy / Sessengon in the summer! There was hardly any threat from right side against Leicester!

I agree with the points you raised but then this is the reality and why Pep spend enormous money on full backs which is his biggest weapon against teams who cretes a china wall!

There is also another issue that comes with offensive full backs as they leaves acres of spaces behind them for someone to exploit which again cause us dearly!

21 Sep 2017 08:29:25
When was our last long range goal WCD?
Are most of our goals long range?
What percentage of our goals come from 25 to 30 yards out?
I'm talking about the 18 yard box not 6 yard.
We don't have target men, so we should work our way in with quick passes, not too many crosses imo.
Have you actually watched City's full backs in the last 18 months mate?
The practically play as extra centrally based midfielders so that their actual midfielders can push forward and get numbers into the box when attacking, unless this tactic has changed recently.
This is one of Pep's principles of their attack.
Look at their second goal against us, they far outnumbered us in the box, why was that?
They overwhelmed us on a number of occasions in attack, we were chasing shadows at times and we can't blame the red card for all of it much as we'd probably like to.

21 Sep 2017 08:18:03
Harry pointing it out and offering up a constructive solution is fine.

It isn't constructive outside of the transfer window to bleat on and on about how Klopp should've signed a centre back, or how all our defenders are apparently useless, or that Klopp should throw his system out the window and start over. Another 3 years of transition would please you and the rest of the boo boys maybe?

Point out mistakes, sure. Ed001 does that after every game in his review. But that is it. That is the end of it. You don't see him banging on repeatedly about things without at least offering a solution or without it being justified.

You just slag all our players off and should your brown nose up the backside of other teams players.

Your be loved Modric, Casemeiro, Isco and Kroos are getting battered right now by the way. Zidane out? Or maybe they should replace the best midfield in Europe because they've had a few bad games.

21 Sep 2017 08:58:31
Unless we score early against teams that come to Anfield, sit deep and soak up the pressure, we struggle and end up playing one dimensional football, leading to shots outside the box when we run out of ideas.

Some times I feel we need to mix it up a bit, far to often players cut inside when there could be a better option wide, Burnley was the perfect example. Robertson found himself in acres of space at times but was ignored and the play was channelled through the middle. Far too often we end up running into a brick wall. If we can get the ball wide every now and then it stretches the opposition's back line creating space. You could see the problems Robertson caused Leicester in the first half with those balls whipped in, we really should have scored, do this more often from both flanks and we might just convert a few.

I'd like to see more incisive and forward passing as apposed to moving the ball from side to side, defenders hate players runnng at them. We've got the players to do it and I think when Lallana is back it will gives us an extra edge.

We've got to start making our chances count though.

21 Sep 2017 09:17:19
Hey Drogie,
I agree with your post mate.
I'm not totally opposed to crosses so long as it's not every single time we go forward as what's currently happening with long range shots (as you yourself mentioned mixing it up) .
And whipping them in is definitely the only way to go mostly, as we don't compete so well in the air as we know.

21 Sep 2017 09:23:35
You might be right Olish but I don't know any other way to break the china wall other than using the width with full back hitting the byline on regular basis or usage or Corners and Set pieces to nick one in again where we are Pisa poor.
Coutinho tries as much as he could but he is quickly tackled / marked out by players in numbers. It was his vision that picked Robertson on regular basis against Leicester in the first half.

I agree with Drogie, We got to score that first goal quickly to take the pressure out and out that to the opposition.

21 Sep 2017 09:33:54
MKS

You are so wrong. Posters have been pointing out on our defsne ever since the window opened and you along with the super aliens quickly dismissed it with " Window hasn't opened yet " claims. Now they want the audience to wait till Jan or summer. LOL! The point is your team doesn't want to hear anything that is different to their views. And you put all of them into negative supporter bin.

FYI, Ron is also asking the same questions, I see none having an issue there 😄😄 He wants the system to be tweaked.

21 Sep 2017 09:35:45
Quick passing, interchanging and quick movement.
Nothing wrong with some whipped crosses and even some long range shots when it's called for, just not every single time lol.

21 Sep 2017 09:47:56
Spot on, Smeg and Mk. Real have had a pathetic start to the season so is Zidane on the brink as well? At RM, coming second is failure so those saying that RM will stroll to the 2nd position in the Liga is one thing BUT managers have been fired for that at RM before. But he's not getting fired any time soon.

People may have a right to be frustrated about our situation and that is fair BUT the constant moaning, false arguments and pathetic support for our rivals teams and their players as a way of trashing ours, is unacceptable and unproductive. The season is 5 games old in the PL. FIVE GAMES! Yet guys on here are losing their minds over our form which tho worrisome, is nothing more than a sticky patch that comes during every season. Now, the doom and gloomers are out projecting that "we will not make top 4", "Klopp out", "Klopp will win nothing", blah, blah, blah. It is tiring and boring and the usual suspects need to calm down and stop polluting these boards with such unproductive drivel.

Constructive criticism, solutions, calm minds, and perspective is what we need right now. The TW is also over and we all know that Klopp wanted VVD and would not settle on a stop gap as he did that with Matip already so doing that again would be dumb, like it or not. We need to stick together and stay positive cos we can only come out of this if we always remembers what unites us, the success of LFC. That is the bottom line. Keep the faith, lads!

21 Sep 2017 09:51:44
Ron has suggested that we need a dedicated defensive midfielder. He doesn't constantly bag his own players and brown nose players at other clubs. He doesn't have a negative rhetoric about Klopp or anyone associated with the club. He doesn't repeat himself every 15 minutes in some sort of smear campaign like you do.

He has an opinion. He offers a solution. He only beings it up in relevant discussion.

That is where you need to change the way you talk if you ever want people to take your posts seriously. You don't even come across as a Liverpool fan at times. I personally believe your heart is in the right place and you are misunderstood. It's gone on far too long to be trolling. But some of your posts are genuinely at that level mate.

21 Sep 2017 09:58:48
Quick passing is the backbone of this system but it is not possible everytime. Hendeson takes an hour to bring the ball out from the back as he has no confidence or ability to spray some forward pass. His first pass is to CB and Full back and by then the opposition has already shaped themselves nicely! If anything it is Coutinho who tries to bring people into the game with his vision picking players and switching flanks.

You could also score goals through corners and set pieces!

21 Sep 2017 10:03:07
Also, i get the impression that you think i believe our defence is good enough?

I don't. Mignolet is a terrible keeper. We've given him 5 years to prove us wrong. But I'm not going to constantly bring that up on every thread. I want Ward as number 1. I suggested that 2 years ago before we even signed Karius.

I don't think Arnold and Gomez are good enough yet as right back options for a title winning team either. However they are both exceptional for their age and i am prepared to permit them the odd error if it means we end up with a better player in the future.

Lovren, Klavan and Matip all have issues. Be it lack of pace, laziness, lack of focus, lack of communication etc. But they are what we have until January so what is the point in constantly bringing it up that we should have signed a centre back? We tried. There is also no need to go overboard on the criticism and turn it personal. Klopp wanted Van Dijk, so he clearly is planning on making a change here. Just need to have patience.

Moreno and Robertson i am actually happy with. I think it is a decent little competition for first team football.

On defensive midfield, Henderson was first tried there at the start of last season and was excellent. Then this heel injury showed up and he missed half the season. This year his heel injury looks a bit better, but still seems to be niggling. I am prepared to give him a chance to get fit and learn the role which he technically only has half a season of experience in, before i jump on his back and start with the "not LFC standard" crap. If his heel doesn't clear up and he doesn't master the position, then i will expect a replacement or Gini Wijnaldum to get a chance to stake a claim there.

You are mad if you think i can't see we have issues at the back. I just think a lot of peoples arguments are too harsh, have absolutely no recommended solutions, and are simply just abusive. You see what i did? I made my point without coming across as a whinging child. And i won't post the same thing again in half an hour.

21 Sep 2017 10:06:12
MK, if that post was for Harry then you are spot on, my friend. If an LFC fan addresses our manager as "your" manager and "your" players, what other evidence do you need?

21 Sep 2017 10:08:28
Superb post Bingo.

21 Sep 2017 10:17:45
Fair play MK! You win the round 👍👍👍keep up! I will try not reply or post under your thread! That's a word!

21 Sep 2017 10:31:34
WCD - I'm not a fan of Henderson myself at the moment but I'll support him while he's in our red.
He reminds me of Sturridge at the moment and Matip, cruising through matches and not playing to his strengths nor does it seem to bother him as he just keeps on being picked.
I agree with your points about both Henderson and Coutinho.
My simple point is, we need to mix it up in attack.
We're too easy to read tactically - pack your defence and watch long range shots sail over the bar every 3 or 4 minutes.
Quick passing is a part of our game absolutely, but I rarely see it happen within the 18 yard box as all our players are spread outside of it (which was why I cried out for an out and out Striker the other day to stay in there - say no more on that one) .

21 Sep 2017 10:32:01
It was meant for Harry. I loved your reply.

By the way Harry, i do love a debate so by all means continue to post replies to me. I don't want you to stop. Just want you to be less polarised and extreme.

21 Sep 2017 10:44:10
There is serious textual tension going here between you lads, get a room or maybe a camper van I dunno?!

21 Sep 2017 11:08:47
Olrish

There is a big difference between having an opinion and support. Waro supports the club ( never a doubt ) But he has a poor opinion on FSG!
If you ask me an opinion on a player / Perfromance / Games, I could be as honest as I am.
For Ex! My opinion on AOC before we signed him and after we signed him till today is the SAME! It doesn't change on the color of the shirt! I am sorry I am not that kind of model supporter.

MK
I am sorry Adam, I will have nothing new for you.

21 Sep 2017 12:04:24
Not sure if I'm taking you up wrong.
Is it fair to say then that you won't support players you don't rate even if they're playing for Liverpool?
Like I always say, I have no issues with criticism or being angry with certain players/ performances/ tactics etc.
My only issue is when a poster constantly has a go at these things but offers no ideas themselves on how they'd handle it/ fix it.
Of course some people just come here to rant and let off steam, that's fine as I'll skip the post unless it addresses me personally (bugs me if it's a rant while addressing me and offering no antidote though - what is the point of these types of posts unless you're 11 years old? ) .
That doesn't allow discussion/ debate or for anyone to offer their side of it ya know?!
That's what I want to see personally (people offering opinions/ rants/ antidotes etc. ) as I love talking footy, when I win the argument I enjoy getting their apology (joking) .
By the way, none of that is targeting you or anyone in particular, it's just a general thing mate as you're just as entitled to your opinion as the next person.
I do however hope that you'd at least support your own team's players regardless of what you think of them as a player.
If they try for Liverpool, no matter how terrible they can be, they'll always have my support.
If I see them slacking on a regular basis (Balotelli), I want them gone.

21 Sep 2017
New image uploaded to the
Liverpool Player Sightings page entitled, Klopp and Wenger