Liverpool Banter Archive November 21 2014

21 Nov 2014 17:24:13
Ed 001 I have seen you say a few times recently you are not sure on de boer, was just hoping you could tell me why that is? you will definently know more about him than me

{Ed001's Note - because he has not proven himself in a big league yet. That is all it is. He has done fantastically well at Ajax, but the Prem is a totally different level to the Eredivisie.}

21 Nov 2014 21:04:22
If we can't get anchelotti then rafa is a no brainer but only if a change is deemed necessary by the people who make these decisions I'm not calling for Brendan to be sacked by no means.

21 Nov 2014 21:15:23
You're not wrong Ed. But then again how many managers out there today have truly "proven" themselves in the Prem? Not many.

Ancelloti is not going to happen. what do you guys think of capello? . do you think he can do a good job for us

Rafa, Capello, big NOPE on those, IMO. Ed is right. That is my only concern about De Boer because the Dutch league is pretty poor and as we have said here, a big club like LFC where expectations are what they are is not a place to learn your trade.

Ed001, he seems to be a stubborn guy when it comes to tactics. Any thoughts on that? Even if his system isn't working he still persists with it.

{Ed001's Note - De Boer uses a system that has been well proven over time, it is his job to utilise those tactics as the head coach and just work on making the players play that way to a higher level. It is not part of the role to choose the tactics, which is another reason which makes him a worry. A lot would depend on getting the right DoF over him, one who sets out the system and style of play for him. Ajax have that, as Cruyff has set it all up, as he did at Barca before then.}

Ed001, i remember u mentioning Klinsmann as a possible candidate for either manager or DOF. Is there a possibility FSG may look to him? Personally i would prefer DE Boer and his coaching staff with a competent DOF to head player recruitment because the current lot are completely clueless. We needed a GK, LB, CDM and a Suarez replacement as priority recruits this season and all we got was Moreno. How can they be so blind to the most obvious shortcomings and gaps in the team?

{Ed001's Note - they would certainly be interested in Klinsmann if he were to be available.}

I think we would benefit from a dof, a good one this time

Exaclty what I was thinking Ed001, would it be possible to get Frank Arnesen as a dof? Worked with great players and managers at every level. but I doubt he'd help the manager out when things aren't going right on the pitch.

{Ed002's Note - For what purpose? It is just another random name resulting from clutching at straws.

The owners need to carry on with the evaluation of the issues the club has as I have explained. They have been taking advice and will continue to do so. At some point they need to figure out the best thing to do to move the club forward and, absolutely critically, to establish some level of financial stability within the business.}

22 Nov 2014 15:24:01
Would be curios to hear eds thoughts on a DOF, whether you think it is a good thing or not? Seems to be a debate over it and always seem to hear spurs as the example of why it isn't a good idea

{Ed002's Note - I have explained my views on numerous occasions - search on "independent".}

21 Nov 2014 17:09:55
Any consideration of recalling Ibe Eds? Would be great to see him given a run but given BR's refusal to even try senior strikers like Lambert & Borini, I'm not holding much hope

{Ed002's Note - It won't happen - the club has no shortage of players.}

21 Nov 2014 15:34:50
Hi eds, just a quick question, have you seen the interview Rodgers has given (today I think) where he talks about Sturridge's new injury?

Then BBC report reads: BR - "He'll go away in the New Year and hopefully find the answers to help him perform at Liverpool."

What does Rodgers mean?

{Ed002's Note - I suspect it was mistranscribed.}

21 Nov 2014 16:51:23
Yes. I thought as much. "We'll go away in the New Year. " seems more likely, doesn't it?

{Ed002's Note - The words were those of The Nose - he could have meant anything.}

21 Nov 2014 17:50:25
Its completely mistranscribed puzzled , what he actually said "He'll go away into the new year along with medics and everyone here at the club we need to find the answers that is going to allow him over a consistent period of time to perform etc".
I don't think BR said anything wrong and he was full of praise for Daniel

Another storm in a tea up, i`m afraid.

21 Nov 2014 12:40:50
I think it's about time Yesil got a run in the team.

one of our problems has been nobody in the box when we do get the ball in, he would solve that, great positioning and finishing. the poor lads been cast away due to some rather blighting injuries and he's worked through them back to fitness now.

He wouldn't be in the German set up if he was no good, and while it is possible his injuries have delayed his development, he can't do much worse than the others we've had up front.

If not, send him up my way to Scunthorpe, we could do with a striker or two

Yesil will not make any difference whatsoever just like the rest of our strikers if Brendan will not setup the team to play to their strengths. The team needs 2 strikers up front and unless Brendan reverts back to it, i do not see any results going our way.

Totally agree Indian Buzzer. We all apart from Brenddan that Mario needs a strike partner. Just hope he stops play with one upfront but I doubt it

Yesil is not the one, I agree the time has come to promote a striker to the squad, Jack Dunn is better and looks ready for the prem .

Yesil is not in my top 3 young strikers in the youth set up.

BR is the prob and not the players

BR is definitely in all sorts of trouble but I don't think it would matter who was manager - Balotelli has no desire to be better or perform and that is not going to change. Every manager he has worked under has either lost patience or dropped him or both - what does that tell you?

21 Nov 2014 09:41:21
Liverpool fans craving back rafa it's embarrassing just shows how the club has fallen in the last 20 odd years fans looking back to one great period if rafa hadn't have came they'd be pining for houllier back rafas had his time let's move on de boer or koeman with a director of football

So its embarrasing to maybe want a manager back who had a good record and a degree of success at the club? A bit like Jose at Chelsea. Yeah, great post mate. Well thought out!

Well said mate. Frank De Boer with Bergkamp as his assistant and Overmars as academy director. And Johan Cruyf as DOF for good measure. I am pretty sure this team will be able to attract higher calibre players than Brendan and Ayre.

I am not sure Rafa is the way forward.

Indian Buzzer. Or we could just change the name to Ajax and be done with it.
Seedorf, Davids and Kluivert are all available as well!!
Posts like this wind me up.
Instead of trying to copy another club's philosophy why not re-introduce some of the same philosophies that made us the most successful English club ever?
Why the need to steal another club's identity and pass it off as our own?
I think we are a massive club.
Judging by your post you think we are just a small club because that post reeked of "small club mentality".

21 Nov 2014 12:06:46
Great Reply Johnny, totally agree with everything you said

nice one

Jonny, by re-introducing the same philisophies that made us the most successful club do you mean bring kenny back and buy the likes of Carroll and Downing? Football evolves, we cannot re-introduce our 1980 tactics because it won't work, we need to roll with the times, and if that means copying another successful model, i have no problem with that. are bayern munich a small club because they've copied Barca's tikki takka style?

21 Nov 2014 13:10:24
I knew there'd be one who'd mention Jose firstly who says he's done a great job a Chelsea this time around weren't they 9 points ahead of us if anyone blew the title it was them and I'd hardly call probably winning the league this season great as everyone else has fell on their sword anyway back to rafa it is embarrassing it like a 30 something pining back to his first love I went on holiday and bought a book to read in 2012 it was a gang of lads on the beer talking about every game in 2008 /9. It ruined my holiday I'd forgot the none sense about rafa playin 1 up Torres Keane on bench in games we needed to win I remember walking along to a match and one of the lads asked me a serious question do you think we will go for this today I turned around and said what a disgrace that question is no thanks to rafa and his tactics mind games power struggles he's old news to Lfc

Lol jonny what exactly would the LFC philosophy be huh? Spending stupid sums of money on average players and getting rid of them at huge losses? Bcoz that is exactly what the club has been doing for the past 20 years. It has failed to evolve with the changing times and is the reason why we are not an elite club anymore. The LFC way died years ago, cannot believe blind fans like u still stick up for Brendan and his cronies in spite of their shortcomings being there for all to see. Football is a business, since Brendan is failing his targets he should go. De Boer and his team have been working together for years. These guys have a reputation of legends and will attract better quality players. Or would you prefer to see our marquee players being ex Saint players every season? because that is Brendan's ceiling. Ed001 clearly thinks De Boer and his team would be up to the task of making LFC a better team and that seems to be the general consensus within the club. If it improves the club's performance, then why not?

{Ed001's Note - I have never said that. I am unsure about De Boer. What I am sure about is that Ridgers is not the right man.}

But De Boer would be a better option than Brendan Ed001. I think most would agree on that. What De Boer and his team have done is use the Ajax youth players and actually have experience building their own team in site of their best players leaving every season. Brendan inherited Roberto Martinez's team at Swansea and hardly brought in any players. He just continued Martinez's good work with a few minor tweaks (not 100% sure about this but remember reading about it somewhere). He never had the experience of building his own team so giving him 200 million GBP to spend was just stupid by FSG. De Boer and Bergkamp are well known names, and would attract better players to the club. Look at Arsene Wenger, only 1 FA Cup to show for in 10 seasons and finished behind LFC, but yet managed to sign Ozil and Sanchez because of his reputation.

21 Nov 2014 14:38:34
Steian, you may or may not have made some great points in your post but I have no idea what you are trying to say. Please use some basic punctuation, just commas and full stops would help a lot!

21 Nov 2014 14:40:34
IB, not disagreeing with you, but a factor in the signing of Ozil and Sanchez was also location. Despite everything else, London is a greater pull for a twenty-something than the North West, unless mega, mega bucks are on offer. A sad but true fact of life.

Zeddicus, yes London may have played its part in Sanchez joining Arsenal, but if we had someone who commanded respect like Cruyf try to convince him to join LFC instead of Arsenal, we could have actually gotten him. If u were a football player and were approached by De Boer with Cruyf as DOF and Brendan as the other party, which option would u choose? I would have taken option A hands down irrespective of the money Brendan offered. i'm pretty sure even if LFC say had matched Angel Di maria's wage demands and transfer fee, he would still have gone to Man Utd in spite of no champions league football because the coaching and playing staff in terms of quality at Utd is much more experienced and has tasted success before, they have a manager and players with a big reputation that convinced him to join. I very much doubt he would have even considered LFC if we had been an option for him since Suarez our only world class player had just left.

{Ed002's Note - You are living in a fantasy world.}

21 Nov 2014 18:27:52
I was trying to describe a hypothetical situation Ed002. I know there is no way Cruyf would come to LFC in any capacity.

{Ed002's Note - You need the fantasy football pages.}

Redhead101.
I appreciate that we are not in 1980.
I don't want to return there but yes I did want Kenny back and if I am not mistaken isn't he already back as a global ambassador?
Rightly so as well in my opinion because he is a symbol of our club.
You can moan all you want about whether or not he was successful in his last stint but he is a man who gave everything for us and deserves respect.
I will always be grateful for seeing him win another trophy for Liverpool.
As for the Bayern Munich copying Barcelona.
That made me laugh.
They have the same coach.
Pep Guardiola.
Coaches tend to take their style of football with them wherever they go.
Was it Barcelona's style or Pep's?
I also noticed you excluded Suarez and Henderson from Kenny's list of purchases.
That is not fair is it?


Indian Buzzer. . Where do I start fella.

1. I think Liverpool's philosophy is best summed up in two words.
Pass and Move.
The boot room philosophy also gets an honourable mention here.

2. If you were to analyse every clubs spending over the last 20 yrs there would be instances where signings work out and instances when they don't.
That is football.
How is the last 20yrs relevant anyway when FSG have been here for 5 yrs and Rodgers for 3 and a half yrs?
Are we blaming Rodgers and FSG for Phil Babb now?

3. The LFC way died years ago. Yes I would agree with that.
Maybe that's why we have not won the league since. . 1990.
That's my point. The Liverpool way must have been doing something right!

4.Blind fans like me.
(I posted recently that I have gone from seeing Rodgers as the messiah to being a very naughty boy.)
How is that blind?
At least I am fair mate. . Every post you write is anti Rodgers from the off.
Calling him stupid (a young manager by the way) etc etc The other day you called him a buffoon. . How is that helpful in any way shape or form?
When you resort to insults it means you really have nowt to say.
If you re-read my post did it contain any personal insults? No.
That's the Liverpool way as well mate:) Be Humble.

5. Football is a business. We agree.

6. "We buy all our players from Southampton". Rubbish.

If we cannot attract players then why is Balotelli here?
I'd say he cracks that ceiling you were talking about fella.
I would say he is high profile.

It also shows that you look at where the player came from and for how much rather than how good that particular player is.
Criticising Southampton players is a classic example.
In my opinion that is the wrong way to view players.
The Kop don't care where you come from and for how much. CAN YOU PLAY is all that has ever mattered.

Lots of players in our history did not come from Barcelona. more like Crewe, Scunthorpe and Chester.
I appreciate that pulling gems from the lower leagues is harder because most of them are already sat in Premiership Academy teams from the age of 8 but value for money and hitting the Jackpot is still possible.
Smalling came from Maidstone, Seamus Coleman was signed for £20 quid and a packet of skips.
Shelvey came from Charlton for 2 million or so.
Jordan Ibe came from Wycombe.
All examples of value for money in my opinion.
So the players are there.
You just have to look and trust your judgement.
As for Frank De Boer, I simply have not studied him or his teams and would not want make a comment on him at all.
I am sure that the style of football would be good as Ajax's philosophy of total football and Liverpool's philosophy of pass and move are not too far apart from each other.
Liverpool forged our own identity years ago. We don't need someone else's.Imitation is the lowest form of flattery in my opinion.

Picking a bit of a nit from your long post, jonnybarnes, but Balotelli is here because no one else wanted him and Milan wanted rid.

The guy took 95 shots from outside the area last year at Milan and scored exactly two of them. 2. Out of 95. Think about that for a second. Inside the area he wasn't much better at 5 goals with 57 shots.

We should have never, ever in a million years bought him. He's simply not very good and is 'high profile' for entirely non-footballing reasons.

22 Nov 2014 01:26:39
I believe a DoF is the way to go, that saying "Too many chefs spoil the broth" comes to mind. Someone making decisions, personally I think Comolli was made the scape goat of the whole AC & SD situation.

RDL.
I did not say Balotelli was any good just that he is high profile:)

You are right though. He was a "marquee" signing brought in because we had lost a "name" in Suarez and needed a "big name" to replace him.

I don't care about the names on the back of the shirt.
We should have concentrated on replacing Suarez's skills not his profile.

22 Nov 2014 09:34:57
Rafa? 1980's AC Milan style.

Brandan? 2000's Barcelona style.

Neither can win the EPL for LFC.

We need a new drug.

It briefly looked like we found it last year. Back to the drawing board.

Fair enough, jonnybarnes, and I entirely agree.