Liverpool Banter Archive June 21 2013

 

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21 Jun 2013 23:06:19
Just a quick question on what will happen with danny wilson with all the transfer embargo at hearts? I know he was unveiled ages ago but apparently it may still be an issue? Jimbo

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21 Jun 2013 23:33:56
It has nothing to do with Liverpool, his contract expired and he was released.

[The only REDS]

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His contract at Liverpool expires in a week so he'll just be released as a free agent now the Hearts deal's off

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21 Jun 2013 22:36:07
Ed002, I appreciate you normally dislike talking about anything financial and understand the reasons why but can you clarify something for me please. Am I wrong in my logic that we can't really compare the money recouped from the Carroll sale as a loss compared to the original fee we bought him for. I always saw it that LFC didn't really pay £35M for AC, rather Abramahvic did. Wasn't the deal that Chelsea could buy Torres for £15M plus whatever Newcastle wanted for AC? This being the case, if Newcastle sold for £5M Chelsea would only have had to pay us £20M for Torres?
Hope that makes sense! {Ed002's Note - Liverpool paid the £36M for Carroll.}

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I see where you are coming from however 35 million was in currency, not monopoly money. I understand why the club was so intent on signing a replacement for Torres in that window, but I wish we had just settled for Suarez and spent the 35m in the summer (although based on 20m for Downing I don't know if that money would have been better invested!) [FR]

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Or in other words lost 21 million

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Chelsea paid £51M for Torres? Then! {Ed002's Note - £51.5M}

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The fees for Torres and Carroll were linked. In reality both Chelsea and Liverpool overpaid by 15-20m for the two players based on their experience/form at that time. Newcastle were the main beneficiaries. Torres at least contributed to a dual European trophy winning team whereas Liverpool won the League Cup with Andy and didn't break into top 4. So the biggest losers in the whole Carroll saga are Liverpool.

Kidder

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West Ham paid 20 million for Carroll 15.5 plus 2 million add ons plus 2.5 million loan for last season.

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It was only ever explained the way this poster sees it so as to sugar-coat the poorest bit of business EVER

Puzzled

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Thanks Ed and fellow posters. Roll on new signings, better business and hopefully an exciting start to the new season

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21 Jun 2013 23:04:20
Hi all,

Good to see we doing business before season as no panic buys nd better negotiations when selling. happy with aspas nd toure nd potential signings of Alberto nd mignolet. I believe deal for reina has been agreed in principal hence we are spending big money on keeper otherwise 10 million sub goalkeeper doesn't make sense. possibly we can see coates shelvey nd downing out nd 2-3 in nd if suarez goes like for like replacement. loads of doubter here for our signing nd only time will tell if Rodgers made right choice. for time being we all should get behind team nd show support to inspire our beloved club. this is year for Rodgers to show progress nd achieve CL football. I throughly enjoyed football we played last season . specially second half. if we can play same football I can see us having a great season. Suarez lives or goes doesn't matter to me as Liverpool makes stars nd have always replaced players well. Couthino is my fav player now nd can't wait to see him in action.


Harry Oldbury

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Harry, there's no doubting your passion for our club, but could you find the same passion for the words "and" and "the". It makes reading all the more pleasurable.

Stu the Red

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How can anybody have a favorite player other than Gerrard is beyond me?

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Same. Gerrard is the kingpin at Liverpool and will constantly be the best at the club till he retires in my eyes

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21 Jun 2013 22:42:31
People know my thoughts if they've been around this site for a couple years. I remember last time I spoke of reina, was when I was calling for him to be dropped to brad jones. maybe it was torres going, rafa, Alonso, etc that made him lose his morale. either way, it seemed over one summer he went from a absolute cat, pulling ridiculously audacious saves out of no where, to just looking like he can't be arsed to even dive. I already concede that the opposition has scored whenever there's a 1on1, as he comes out, and just does long barrier, he doesn't throw himself infront of the ball no more. his first 3seasons I will never forget, and how he stuck with is unlike others, shows his class as a man. him moving is best for both parties, he was the best gk at Liverpool of my time.
Now for mignolet, the price we are paying is irrelevant, because this lad is going to be a big signing, trust me. he, and he alone saved sunderland this year. his catching is great, he has no fear, and his shot stopping is the best in the league. very exciting signing. Cheers
Benny baller

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21 Jun 2013 22:15:10
What's going to happen with Danny Wilson now as hearts can't sign him because of the transfer embargo {Ed030's Note - I think it impossible he will stay at Liverpool 99% sure he will leave. }

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21 Jun 2013 23:22:41
Isn't his contract up anyway? Could be wrong.

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21 Jun 2013 21:56:56
sorry if this sounds a bit neg but £9m for Simon Mignolet seems very inflated I don't rate him myself

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He is quality.

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21 Jun 2013 23:39:01
Quality young goalkeeper who will only get better & better. Nothing inflated, wait and see how much Reina goes for. I guess we will make a tiny profit on replacing Reina with Mignolet. And get a GK focused on Liverpool.

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Maybe quality, but between 8 & 11 mill to sit on the bench?

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Im very happy with mignolet if he signs he's a top young keeper he was immense for Sunderland last season they probably would have went Down without him.

But I do still think reina is a top keeper and would be sad to see him go

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Mingolet, is a really good keeper playing behind a bad team.

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Mal1960, Why don't you rate him, give us some reasons

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22 Jun 2013 09:48:07
I doubt Mignolet will sit on the bench.
He will 95% be Reina's replacement.

[The only REDS]

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How is his distribution ed

mayhem 1981 {Ed019's Note - nothing that can't be improved easily}

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21 Jun 2013 21:54:03
From the outside looking in, it feels like Liverpool are fairly comfortable with the spending so far this summer I mean over 10 million for Mignolet about 8 for Aspas another 7 for Alberto etc the money is clearly there and it has been for years I'd expect us to spend over 25million on Mkhitaryan maybe this is because of sales but Rodgers is clearly being backed, I'm slightly concerned we are over spending but I don't mind if it means getting the targets we want.

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This is another thing that regularly appears on the site. Some fans complain that we are overspending whilst others complain that we 'didn't go that extra bit' to land their latest 'star'

Liverpool always seem to get the lose-lose attitude from the fans

Puzzled

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Why are we over paying? United paid twice what we are paying for De Gea. Is he twice as good? Zaha cost 10-15m and Alberto is costing us 6-8m. Sunderland paid 14m for Fletcher and 8m for Wickham which suggests Aspas is value for money? Three first teamers in plus a talented squad member with no money spent if Reina is sold on top of Carroll. So far we are stronger no? And purchases covered by sales?

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21 Jun 2013 21:41:52
Have got to question as to whether or not we have strengthen the team or just added to the squad. Toure is a wise addition. Alberto, maybe one for future, Aspas average La League striker. The Armenian Mickey would be a good signing. BR said he wanted quality. I can only assume more signings are on the way to strengthen the team from last season, otherwise I don't see too much improvement on last season league performance. Certainly not top 4.

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Clearly what you think is quality and what a uefa qualified coach and manager think is quality are different.

Nevada

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21 Jun 2013 21:21:52
Ah I see the first cuckoo's are out criticising the new players. I seem to remember the Jan imports getting the same stick. I feel we are buying talent, and look forward to a bench that can really change a game. I'm looking forward to the next few years.

Marcus

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Here's the problem. As nice as it is to have a strong bench, its much more important to have a stronger starting 11. I don't see any signing so far that actually strengthens the starting 11. Just my opinion.

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Iago Aspas is better than downing.
Kolo Toure is miles better than Skrtel.
Simon Mignolet is a beast who will be 100% commited and focused on Liverpool compared to Reina.
Luis Alberto is 2 times the player Shelvy is.
In my opinion we've already improved 3 of the starting 11 and improved a lot on our most used sub (Shelvy).

[The only REDS]

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21 Jun 2013 21:18:50
I think that some posters need to move on a bit especially regarding Pepe Reina. Have peope been watching the same keeper for the last two seasons. He as made mistake after mistake and as cost us a few times now. Hearts, Arsenal and a few more at the start of the season and at the back end of the season before QPR away springs to mind plus a lot more. This is one position that needed freshining up. And if Mignolet completes his move it is just what we need. Saying that I have total respect for Reina and the servant he as been but sometimes its time to move on and I think his is now.

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Don't worrie we spent all carolls mony on aspas and Alberto ( great more borinis ) surely caroll was a better signing than them 2

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"Don't worrie we spent all carolls mony on aspas and Alberto ( great more borinis ) surely caroll was a better signing than them 2"

What a truly stupid post? Explain what is wrong with Borini? He had two extremely unlucky injuries, how can you be so stupid? Did you see him at the u21s? He was decent in there, got goals and worked so hard for the cause.

Carroll was a better signing than them two? I guess 35m spent on a player with the ball control of a sea cucumber, work rates of a anemone and talent of a cocktail sausage. He has done nothing to say 35m is a better signing than the money on Aspas and Alberto; I am sure they can muster 11 goals in 60 appearances for us.

Plus your spelling is soooo bad, are you just a 7 year old troll

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Iago Aspas + Luis Alberto + Fabio Borini =
£ 25 million.
Andy Carroll = £ 36 million.
That's really all there is to say to the 2nd poster. Behave lad.

[The only REDS]

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21 Jun 2013 21:15:54
Why is it when Sly Sports report fee for LFC they always spin it?
IE: when Caroll went, Sly Sports said it was £15m but actually £15.5m with £2m add ons plus £2m loan fee (as well as his wages of coarse)
When we sign Minloget, Sly Sports state its £11m but its £9m with £2m add ons
Plonkers {Ed030's Note - I would not listen to Anything Sky say they are forever quoting newspapers mate. }

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Think it through. Murdock owns Sly. Murdock owns Stun. Stun hates us. Therefore Sly hates us. Simples innit.
ND

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21 Jun 2013 21:15:31
eds uve said that despite complications you expect us to succefully negotiate the mkhitaryan transfer has anything happened to change this? {Ed030's Note - I think he will sign. }

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21 Jun 2013 21:15:26
Hi Eds great site!

This is not so much a rumour but given the whole Suarez affair and with the media consistently insisting that Real only want to pay cash plus player.

Do you think Alonso given that he has only a year left and his affection for Liverpool could be used?

Also. I hear if Suarez does leave we may look at Defo?!? Not what I would go for but does know where the back of the net is and has great experience.

Cheers {Ed030's Note - I doubt Alsono will be included in a deal,But not impossible. }

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21 Jun 2013 20:55:19
Really hope suso gets to prove himself this season in more of a central role, he's a great passer of the ball!

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21 Jun 2013 20:52:01
What's seems to be the hold up in completing Aspas' signing? {Ed002's Note - Transfer window being shut?}

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Lol ed
Benny baller (ps still not letting me sign in )

{Ed033's Note - How about going to the forgot password page and entering benny baller in as the username and your email address in lower case in the email field?

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21 Jun 2013 20:34:07
I replied to a post yesterday from an anonymous poster who said I have contradicted myself with a post about Suarez the night of the Chelsea game, but for whatever reason it didn't make it on to the site, so I would just like to say to the poster who wouldn't put a name to his post, I for want of a better word dislike these owners and have voiced my concerns before today about there sell to buy policy, and would have jumped on the fact that they couldn't wait to cash in on Suarez ( before the biting incident ) to pay for this summers transfer targets, my post on the night of the Chelsea game was saying how can I have a go at the owners now if they sell Suarez because you can't defend what he did and it's given them the excuse to cash in.

But your clear lack of an ability to read has rendered your post/attempt to make me look like I've changed tack on Suarez redundant.

So if you want to banter in future can I suggest you slow down and read posts correctly, or failing that maybe ask your carer or legal guardian to explain the contents of the posts to you so you can then understand it.

Toodle pip old bean!

Waro

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Do you exhaust yourself writing constantly aggressive, negative posts? Honest question, as really what do you hope to achieve as a fan? Always angry, always bitter. You'll never be happy, so I really don't know why you bother.

Papa G

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You still come here waro? you're just like a bad smell you can't get rid off.
Benny baller

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I'm sure you already said that back to them anyway you know?

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21 Jun 2013 22:44:16
What an unnecessary post! Take a chill pill fella (".)

[The only REDS]

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Waro is always right. he's never wrong. He cannot take criticism and wants to hog the limelight whichever site he goes to.

Waro, I respect that you have your views, but why do they always have be so negative?

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Papa G I wouldn't worry about Waro he as cracked mate.

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I think Waro just likes to see his name on here. Same old boring rhetoric. The sell-to-buy owners had a better reason to cash in on Suarez LAST season after Evra-gate.

cozinoz

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He is also entitled to his opinion just as we are.


Nevada

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21 Jun 2013 20:26:40
Has there been any interest in Nacer Chadli? {Ed002's Note - Search function please.}

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I totally agree with u mate insane

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21 Jun 2013 20:19:49
hey guys. guess what. it seems the management team haven't learned their lessons from summer 2012.

so they decided to annoy every lfc fans buy overpaying for players who will not ADD QUALITY to the team to fight for the league and champions league places.

so yet again. average players will result in averages finishes. its not rocket science.

why buy mignolet for over 11m. its nonsense. alberto whos just a kid.surely the combined fee of atleast 18million for both could buy regular quality first team players who can give us the extra quality we need.

i know its june. but I ask you lfc fans. how in gods name will a gk we don't need. and a BTEAM barca player(who won't start at all). will help us jump from 7th place to the top 4 places?

can any eds. or other fans please shed some light.? il take anything right now? because 18mill for both of these guys has really peed me off. i'm sick of paying to watch games and getting 8th or 7th. when I just want a manager to buy good players

red rooster

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I want us to build for the future which is what the club seem to be doing. I am delighted with all the New signings.

Grimsby red

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I am so sick of whiny moaners.

FFS, If Reina stays Mignolet will knock him out of the comfort zone he's been in for 3 seasons.This improves results.

Don't knock a 20 year old for playing in the second team of a team that is is one of the best in the world.

Cop on. I'm sick of it. Whine Whine Whine.

There.how's that for Banter!

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Mignolet is a good keeper and it will be nice to have some competition to stand between the sticks reina if stays will play better knowing there is a younger hungry keeper waiting to replace him.i think its a great move.and how do you figure we don't need him? as for alberto, he will be a squad player wether he will do well or not I can't say and neither can you.no matter who we buy some fans won't be happy.

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People like you really pee me off! You probably said the same about Coutinho and Sturridge! Reserves at Inter and Chelsea, surely not good enough for Liverpool! Just crawl back under whatever rock you came from and don't come back out until you can say something positive. Nobody wants to listen to your whining.
Skillo

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Why don't you just wait till said players feature on Fifa 14. Then you'll be so proud to be a Liverpool supporter.

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Typical.

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Seeing as though reinas going then I imagine a goal keeper is exactly what we need.

MIKEY

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Our aim this summer was to add depth mignolet fee has been rumored between 7-11m if that makes you feel better and is a solid back up.

I don't know much about Alberto but 20 combined goals and assists is pretty good for a kid no?

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Here here, Grimsby

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So who would you try and buy with the same money. Baring in mind that we don't have the finances for Cavani et al. The players that may be coming are not world famous but are in the right price range and have been thoroughly scouted . Which keeper would you want for 11 mil to replace Pepe, what other attacking player for 7 mil.

Its very well saying 'they're not good enough' but we just do not have the finances to get the players we would all like for 40-50 mil a piece. A list of targets you would like to see and what you think FSG would be able to get them for would be interesting.

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Why in the world would someone think we don't need a GK? Over the past yr we've let go 3 keepers, if Reina were to get injured or suspended who would we put on the bench?

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Agree with the OP. I can't believe the transfer window is finished and we only have these 3 players to replace out-going players. Now we have to wait until January. er, hang on.

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22 Jun 2013 08:59:19
Michu, benteke. These two players were relatively unknown but know hows the premiership works. How do you know these signings aren't the same.
Sick and tired of coming on here and people slating Liverpool and the singings they make. Whayever happened to supporting the team. Remember when lucas wasnt exactly one of the fans favourites.

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21 Jun 2013 20:19:23
Sunderland have officially accepted a 9mil bid for Simon Mignolet, with add ons rising to 11mil

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Some very good work by lfc if those figures are right.

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21 Jun 2013 20:17:11
Eds, Sky are reporting that a fee has been agreed for Mignolet. Any truth?

Cheers {Ed002's Note - Sure.}

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21 Jun 2013 20:14:28
Great to see we've gone in for Mignolet!

I know Pepe's been a good servant but if his heart's not in it then why should we wait for the inevitable Barca/Atletico bid to come (be it this summer or next) with all the uncertainty that brings.

Brendan clearly wants to have a 'no 1' whatever happens, fairplay!

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Totally agree Pepe's performances over the last 2 seasons, apart from a few games the end of the season.
"When the game was up?" have beeen less than impressive.

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Agreed, why should we wait for him to leave? it is 100% he will go either this summer or at the latest, next. so let's get mignolet in, great keeper, we need to worry about our selves instead of waiting for other players to decide what they're doing so we have to panic when they go!
Benny baller

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21 Jun 2013 20:12:23
Ed's would you do me a favour and and do a list of the new players we have signed and beside them put who they remind you of
Example, aspas similar to Bellamy
Just because I haven't seen these guys play and be bit a fun what your opinion is (p.s I read the player profiles and there quality) thanks grate site {Ed002's Note - Sure. Aspas is similar to that guy who plays the lead in the Mexican show "Bajo las Riendas del Amor".}

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As soon as I pressed send him said myself I should have directed it to ed001 030 or 052 because
Number 1. Ed002 can be a smart arse
Number 2. He is not a Liverpool fan
Number 3. He is a fact not banter person (or maybe a she)

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Yeah, hopefully Chelsea will come in with a cheeky bid for him.

HK

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21 Jun 2013 20:08:23
Eds fellow reds .fee agreed with Sunderland for keeper

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21 Jun 2013 20:05:52
it worries me that people think we can fund buys with the sale of Carol, we took a big loss on him. That said I think we did as good as we could out of the deal . Andy for me is a loss I think if he got himself right focused on the game and was in the right environment he would flourish .good luck for the future big fella YNWA.

Buck dodgers

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Are mad? Andy my ass!! He fleeced the club with non trying performances, drinking, he's a total pussy! spends most of his time when he does play? falling over.
Good Riddance!

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21 Jun 2013 22:21:33
The eds have said many times that all the money from sales will be invested back in the team, and more from FSG as well. I believe that is much more likely than what you say.

The only REDS

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Andy is a monster when he gets his head down and played . he almost won us the fa cup. I totally agree that for the most part he is a big girls blouse and is no ware near professional enough. I still believe that behind the long hair and beer gut he can be one hell of a striker

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21 Jun 2013 20:03:04
it worries me that people assume we can use the sale of Big Andy to fund further .

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Why should we not assume that? We let a 15m player leave we expect to see it reinvested as suarez aswel. Though fsg are not ones for taking that oppinion eg. Meireles 13m. Big summer for fsg to prove were going places under rodgers after an exciting season last.

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21 Jun 2013 19:57:48
Eds: great site, question for you all and fans alike would we have any interest in Ryan scrawcross I know it's not been mentioned to my knowledge but he is a player I like and with a new manager in at stoke it my be hard to broker a deal just wondered that with so many defenders looked at is he one of them and does anyone else feel he would be a good addation to our team

Cheers loz9064 {Ed002's Note - Not that I am aware.}

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21 Jun 2013 20:34:33
Why have we payed 11-12 million for mignolet when we first offered 7 I think and Sunderland wanted 9?

Young Baller

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Maybe your wrong

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Hi, new comer. this is now awkward.
Benny baller

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If they wanted 9 we would have paid 9

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9 rising to 11 in add ons.

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21 Jun 2013 19:10:03
Oright Lads I was just wondering i'm from up north near sunderland and was wondering what's the best way off getting away tickets for the sunderland game if anyone got any help for me it would be appreciated because I really really don't want to be in the mackem end again

muchos gracias

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Away tickets are all allocated to LFC members who attended a certain number of away games from the previous season. So unless you know someone who gets tickets and can't go you have no chance. Sorry to bring bad news.

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Bruv let me know if you find something out I am preety much in the same situation as u

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21 Jun 2013 19:06:13
Hey Eds, I have a question, what is the real point of transfer windows if every body is being signed right now. It seems Villa have already signed four players and many other players are already being signed as well. It is just that players can only join their new clubs on the first of Jan or July. {Ed030's Note - July mate,Players can not play for there clubs until the 1 st July. }

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21 Jun 2013 19:02:18
Isco only costing 21 million. Thought he would go for more than that.

If only we had a chance with him qualityl player.

Jonesred.

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Awh stop being amazing couple a years mind you ya never no

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21 Jun 2013 22:24:48
He will cost much more than that! Add £ 10 millions to that an you're there.

[The only REDS]

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21 Jun 2013 19:01:12
tv reporting we have agreed a fee with Sunderland for Simon Mignolet approx. £10m

Meccy

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21 Jun 2013 19:00:31
On the BBC football there's a section to see "Andrea Pirlo scores 'perfect' free-kick for Italy" There isn't one for Suarez, I've looked at the two free-kicks and there virtually identical. Just saying.

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21 Jun 2013 19:56:17
hi edds with the rumoured signing of minolet gk does this mean the end for pepe? can't see either wanting to be second fiddle cheers
mike {Ed002's Note - I don't see Mignolet wanting to sit on the bench.}

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Especially world cup year. I just think its time for Reina to go. Its time to move him on.

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Can't see either wanting to be second fiddle

i think that's the point I read a quote from rodgers saying something like he wanted competitive places throughout the squad even keeper I think it is very likely that reina will stay along with skrtel

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Yes rodgers always says something like 2 players in every positions, your 3 goalkeepers, and then young players behind all them

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21 Jun 2013 19:56:15
Watchin U20 world cup at the moment spain vs usa spain 3-0 up at half time, Suso is a beast people who don't think he's good enough for Liverpool your talking out your arse. Everything is going through him the lad is magic!

ACHILLES.

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Your watching another game fella

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Agree completely he was unreal at times tonight and oozed class. I hope Brendan Rodgers realises what a talent this boy is and doesn't block his progress to the first team with buys like Alberto. Should be ahead of Shelvey, Allen and possibly Hendo in the pecking order all day for me in a CM berth. Outstanding performance.

Ciario80

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Wonder if Rogers thinks the same second half of the season didn't show it

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21 Jun 2013 22:29:59
Suso was really impressive. Some great passes and skills.
Luis Alberto is Jonjo Shelvy's replacement.
They can play together due to the simple fact that one can play as an AML (alberto) & the other as AMR (suso). I'm really looking forward to see them play together.

[The only REDS]

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21 Jun 2013 23:02:28
second half of the season he didn't play! I like how some people post anonyamously aswell, grow a pair will ye lol

ACHILLES.

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Rodgers knew he didn't need suso the end of the season and obviously knew he would be playing the u20s this summer. Your probably the same kind of person that would be complaining were burning the youngsters out playing them too much .


Quigz23

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I ment Rogers didn't rate him in the second half of the season dip rubbish

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22 Jun 2013 09:52:58
O u got a good friendship with Rodgers have you? I just presume your good friends seen as you have the inside track of what Brendan Rodgers is thinking and what his way of thinking is, Because that the first time i've heard that reason as to why suso didn't play second half of the season.

people like you get an idea in your head and run with it, pathetic pal.

ACHILLES.

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21 Jun 2013 19:55:29
Suso looking good for Spain u20s tonight.

Lyndon

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I agree looks better than he did in the u19 last year some great through balls

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21 Jun 2013 19:54:22
Liverpool agreed a fee with Sunderland for Simon mignolet around 10 million

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21 Jun 2013 19:43:28
So Alberto looks all but wrapped up, and tv are saying we've agreed a £11-12m fee for Mignolet. Do you expect this deal to go through and is it a good price eds? Thanks.

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21 Jun 2013 19:32:00
Hey Eds, I was wondering if there was any plans to produce a Mignolet player profile and if not could I request one at your convenience please. They're always good reading. Thanks as always, Bryan {Ed002's Note - Try the profiles page with your request.}

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21 Jun 2013 19:39:37
Just a quick question, just for a bit of confirmation. Will the LFC backroom staff & Rodgers be watching the U20 world cup, checking up on Suso and other's?

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Pepe will now leave Liverpool, but he has done it in the right manner .respect the man for that at least .

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21 Jun 2013 19:35:42
Reina says he's staying and now we've agreed a fee for Mignolet. FSG have money to burn guys

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I doubt we've paid 11m.

Just sold Carroll for £15m so think we are still balancing the books.

The others haven't signed yet as we have to wait until 1 July.

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21 Jun 2013 19:31:14
Mignolet fee agreed 11-12million mixed emotions how do you guys feel reina has not been up to it for two years now in my opinion (although he finished the season strong)

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Try 4 years.
Benny baller

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21 Jun 2013 19:29:50
Sky reporting Mignolet for 11-12m, that went up quick, thought we were looking at 8-10m.

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21 Jun 2013 19:23:19
Is anyone watching the Spain u20's. Suso looks a class above with Delofeou! He's also very physical in comparison with the other Spanish players. He's wild fiery! You would know he played in England that way he's not afraid to throw in a tackle and use his arms. Add that to the Spanish class and I think we are watching a future star!

On an other note I have a Spanish mate who says Liverpool have just spent double for what they should have on Alberto. He says Suso is much better.

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21 Jun 2013 22:34:44
Sorry, no disrespect. But I really doubt "your Spanish friend" watches the Spanish 2nd division. I even doubt you have a Spanish friend.
Luis Alberto is Shelvy's replacement, why can't people understand that? Even the eds has said multiple times that Shelvy will be sold.

[The only REDS]

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21 Jun 2013 19:21:49
Give the potential signings time and you never know they could become a star.

Liverpool football club make superstars just remember that.

How many of you had heard of hyypia before he came, probably not many of you.

We don't need to spend 50 mil on one player. Yeah mignolet probably isn't as good as reina, but let's remember before Xmas reina had been a liability for the past two seasons.
Mignolet isn't far behind reina but he's 5 years younger and probably on half reinas salary.

LAVERS

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21 Jun 2013 20:46:18
another season for time, settling.

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Reinas been a liability for 4 years! since opening day away to arsenal when he threw away 2 points. Mignolet is a better keeper. facts will show this. heck, just watching either of them will show this.
Benny baller

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21 Jun 2013 18:58:48
Eds, I think you should create an animated gif at the top of the page, maybe Jaime Carraghers head, with a little speech bubble saying, 'Errm, RTFP before posting yet another f-ing suarez question'

What dya think?

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21 Jun 2013 22:45:32
Seems good

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21 Jun 2013 18:57:06
SusoOo starts

/^^,

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21 Jun 2013 18:54:13
Im bored already with all the talk of this Mickey I've never seen him play and although 25 goals in a season is great the big question is can he cut the premier league so for me if he comes he comes and if not then so be it, his loss but either way I think 20 odd mill is too much, my question is will reina and skrtel leave in this window, cheers

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Who knows.

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21 Jun 2013 18:48:53
As a regular poster for many years I have now come to the conclusion that the Evertonions are correct by referring to many of our supporters as 'deludes' after reading some of the nonsense written on here.

Although we have to appreciate that certain posts come from different age groups and different mental states, it is still difficult to digest some of the sheer hatred and nonsensical opinions as it appears., and that's why I'm signing-out as It's becoming too frustrating.

It seems that the LFC brand has bred a generation of unrealistic, embarrassing, blood-thirsty set of supporters eager to bite into any speculation surrounding the club, and any right-minded supporter outside the club must p*ss themselves laughing.

I've stated for a long time now that many of us are like spoiled little kids, comparing the success of the club as to that of a little brat born with a silver-spoon in their mouth.

That's the mentality and it hurts us all when we can't have it all, but some of us are still realistic.

I'm not a brown-nose, but I would like to give full credit to all the editors involved, especially 1 & 2. This is a wonderfully addictive site with much more freedom in comparison to other snotty-nosed forums.

Oh yeah, don't expect too much this season as the manager has to draw the fine line between youth, established signings and new signings, so the backroom staff and the manager need to get it spot on. Aside from that, this club is in very, very safe hands.

P.s Waro is the only poster with true principles (however right or wrong).

P.P.S Blair, I know who you are lad!!

Later.

DaveyBootle

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Cheers Davey, take a break from the donuts on here lad and come back in a few days refreshed!

Waro

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Bye then

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21 Jun 2013 21:07:40
What was the purpose of your post. Surely if you've watched football and listened to football fans for anything over a month you will realise that they are a fickle bunch some have good opinions some don't. If you don't like the post then don't read it. Maybe you and Wardo can walk off into the distance holding hands. Oh and we know who you are to your DaveBootle and you've taken your bat and ball home.

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Take it easy Davey.
The Juicer

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Alblert, maybe it's posters like yourself who have turned the lads stomach with your brown nosing and nonsense opinions. Just saying.

Waro

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FFS how many posts do we have to read fans going on at each other on the one hand your right there are a lot of stupid posts however these posts slating the stupid posts are just as bad

And now i'm posting a stupid post on how stupid your post is for calling other peoples post stupid!

ARGH people just post things about LFC not about LFC posters PLEASE OMG!

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Davey you can't possibly believe that half of the posters on here proclaiming to be Liverpool supporters, are actually Liverpool supporters? So take a chill and take half of the nonsense with a pinch of salt.
"It's the only way to keep your sanity"

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You've been beaten by a bunch of helmets then. Soft much? Life is full of whiners mate. Half the Australian population (where Ilive) is on anti-depressants for crying out loud. Why would a forum be any different? Anonymous keyboarders love saying what they are too gutless to say to someones face. That is why, despite having never agreed with pretty much anything Waro says, the fella still signs his name and stands strongly behind his beliefs, so he gets my respect. I suggest you just skip past any post that isn't signed. It really does make it much better.

Liverpres

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21 Jun 2013 18:48:50
I know right now everybody is thinking about the first team signings, players and the future of a certain el pistolero; but for a moment can take a few moments to acknowledge the work being done but people such as rodolfo borrell, frank mcparland, alex inglethorpe and the academy scouts. They do a lot of work, some which goes unnoticed, that gives us a great base for the future.

I believe the aim is to be great now and formidable in the future. Even with players like suso, sterling, wisdom and ibe on the verge of regular first team football, and players like lloyd jones on close to first team football, we continue to produce and sign players with great potential and this is due to the work of people like mcparland and borrell, eventually when we all see the benefit of their work they may get a little more recognition.

After reading an article of past players produced at the club and made it elsewhere, I cringed at the standard of players we produced in the past, the days when spearing, guthrie or david amoo were the greatest hopes of our academy, there was also something else that bugged me successful academy players with great potential that didn't reach their potential, such as pacheco or bruna or left and made it somewhere else due to lack of opportunity, now due to the work of Rodgers that's also been changed.

Now we have a seeming endless conveyor belt of talent and were signing players with potential. Now young players want to sign for us because they know they will get a chance. This is great for our future.

Just imagine ibe, dunn, o'hanlon, ojo, texeira, sinclair, yesil, rossiter, kane, canos, fulton, maguire, polgar, brewitt, biteco and H.wilson all challenging for a place in the first team, add to that list players like coutinho, alberto, kelly, suso, sterling, wisdom, mclaughlin and ward and we are formidable. So I hope you all realise just how impotant our youth academy is and just how brilliant the work they are doing is. So look to the future, its very bright for us.

Lil Red

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Bang on the future is bright the future is red

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Super post: Spot on: The young players at our club are the best we have seen in a long time.

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21 Jun 2013 18:05:44
Just hope Luis Alberto is not seen as our saviour as some posts seem to think he will be the difference of getting us in champs league.

Lets not put this guy under pressure as he has very little experience, never mind premier league experience. He has only a handful of senior appearances for Serville, the rest in the B teams of the latter and Barca.

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Mignolet 11mil, Aspas 7mill, Alberto 7mill that's 25million wasted already

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Couldn't agree more, we are signing him for his potential not ware he is now .

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Don't see, mukhtaryan, eriksern, alderweireld, digne, and defo NOT banega sorry mate .i think your out could be right though

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Mignolet 11mil, Aspas 7mill, Alberto 7mill that's 25million shrewdly spent.

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22 Jun 2013 00:03:01
Kolo Toure + Iago Aspas + Simon Mignolet +
Luis Alberto = £ 25 million.
That's money very wisely spent.

A waste is £ 34 million on Fernandinho or £ 36 million on Andy Carroll.

Would love our next £ 25 million to be spent on
Toby Alderweireld, Tiago Ilori, Christian Atsu & Keisuke Honda. (£5-6million would get him before he is a free agent in January)

Because we will probably spend £ 25 million on Mkhitaryan and no doubting his ability but that's a lot of money and i'd like us to spend very wisely even if we have £ 40 million to spend if Luis Suarez insists on leaving. But if the Mk deal goes through I will be delighted no doubt.

[The only REDS]

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21 Jun 2013 18:05:02
Ed's - In all honesty how good is Mickey? I know it's difficult to answer before watching him in the EPL and judjing

But 20M+ seems a lot from a player in that league. Considering Higs just went for around 22M to gooners (great buy btw)

Cheers.

RobbehLFC. {Ed030's Note - Player profile on him over on the profiles site. }

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But 20M+ seems a lot from a player in that league.

Man City have just paid £34m for a player from that league, whos own club supporters voted 'Micky' the better player.

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I don't think on his own he's going to be the world beater we're looking for to catapult us back up the table butstill think he'll easily be one of our best players. If he can gel with the team and the other signings prove their worth he could be money well spent.

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Very very good and perfect for BR, s system of play . watch him in the CL game shaktar played agenst Chavski

Buck dodgers

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I disagree Higuain is overrated and a bit slow tbh. I don't think he will work in the PL.

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I agree with Mighty Redsd: Higuain is overrated and a bit slow. I also don't think he will be value for money in the PL.

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21 Jun 2013 17:34:35
Hey eds,

Do you see us getting a backup for LB? If so I've seen very little about potential signings.

Do you see Fabio the Silva returning to UTD or would we consider offering him a way out of QPR.

His brother was young player of the year IMO, as much as I dislike UTD it may be a worth while move for the future. {Ed030's Note - If Robinson leaves yes,Liverpool do have current interest in Left backs. }

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Robinson will be out on loan next season guaranteed! With Leverkusen buying Donati that leaves Alderweireld for the taking and at £7.8M what Leverkusen were quoted he would be ideal as he can play CB or LB comfortably but if we don't get him then Ilori will provide cover at LB as he also can play CB or LB and looks extremely likely to sign. Also I've read we are tracking Aly Cissokho of Valencia.

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Robinson leaving as in on loan or permanently

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Oh really who would that be?

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Ed I used the search function it dosent say much, but could you tell me the left backs we are looking at?thanks

majestic69 {Ed030's Note - Sandro and the you Bilbao left back. }

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21 Jun 2013 16:33:44
Hi eds. 1st time poster. I was just wondering what your views are on the quality of the players we are chasing? {Ed030's Note - If I rate players on this site I will get stick,Try the ratings page. }

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Can't find it {Ed030's Note - Here you go mate,www.player-ratings.co.uk }

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21 Jun 2013 16:31:19
I am a previous poster, I would like to ask any of the eds. if Alberto was to sign, based on your knowledge of his ability, would he be in contention for a starting position? {Ed030's Note - There is a profile on him mate,Check the player profile page. }

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21 Jun 2013 12:37:06
Eds has skrtel situation changed from before his agent was suppose to have talks with lfc,
When do players return for pre season?

Basy {Ed030's Note - I think he will leave if Rodgers has the same plans for him as he did last season. }

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21 Jun 2013 10:33:35
hi edds
how many players do you think Liverpool will get this year {Ed030's Note - Maybe 5 or 6 mate. }

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Ed is that including Mignolet who is due for his medical next week? {Ed030's Note - Yeah mate. }

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Ill go for 9 ed we have 3 signed along with a gk cb cb w am and luis replacement to sign

mayhem 1981

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21 Jun 2013 17:17:11
i agree that lb and dcm are a concern but I believe that ilori can also play lb as he has a lot of pace and mkhitaryan can play dcm as that was were he was playing for sd up until the last season.

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Ilori can play LB as well CB so would be a good move and is very close to being done, Coady should be given a chance at CDM and we also have Allen back so we will have 3 players for that position. Mkhitaryan will be signed to play on the right or behind the striker.

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Is that where he played ed's or is it cock and bull? {Ed030's Note - Yes both are true however I don't see Ilori playing Left back but who knows. }

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21 Jun 2013 17:16:54
Eds fellow reds, just read that man city will not pay the £54 million buyout for cavaini .do you see real jumping in for him now rather than Suarez {Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with Suarez.}

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21 Jun 2013 17:13:02
Eds can you'll shed some information on why tiago Iloris move not gathering pace. I guess he is a realistic target. but nothing happening. thankyou {Ed002's Note - The transfer window is not even open.}

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21 Jun 2013 17:32:41
He is with Portugal U20 squad in the U20 world-cup so in 2 weeks time.

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21 Jun 2013 17:05:33
Hi Ed how certain are you that Suarez will leave and who would be your first choice to replace him? {Ed002's Note - RTP.}

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21 Jun 2013 16:58:32
So this summer we've already signed Toure and Aspas with Alberto in a medical. We're also definitely interested in Mkhitaryan and Mignolet and I would expect both of them to go through. It also looks like we're looking a signing another centre-back and winger, personally expect Alderweireld over Papadopoulos to happen and judging by reports we're close to agreeing a deal with Atsu. It looks like Rodgers is trying to plug all our gaps this summer and if all those deals go through we're lacking a left-back (Enrique alone isn't enough and Robinson is far from our level) and a defensive midfielder (If we lose Lucas again we're vulnerable. We could use Spearing who's had a good season at Bolton, I know they've really taken to him but is he good enough for Liverpool? Don't think Coady's ready yet but he does need game time next season). Ed's, have you heard of us looking at any players in those two positions? Cheers lads, top job on the site.

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Completely agree mate.
Might just about be able to get away with LB (maybe 'til Jan), but DM is the position I want to see filled before any other personally!

However, I get the feeling we won't buy anyone for there at all?

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21 Jun 2013 16:44:35
herd a rumour that robbie fowler is going to be a coatch. anything you no edd, s

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21 Jun 2013 17:16:56
There's a rumour going round this site that Lfc fans can't spell. Surley this isn't true!

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21 Jun 2013 17:36:08
What is a coatch?
Is that how you pronounce Coates?

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Haha surley!

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It's trew I have just red the post.

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Carap 2econd pOst dere . not a grammer r spelling page!
5 gold stars

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You are supposed to put a question mark if you ask a question.

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I dotn no what you maen, my spellings purfect.

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And you can spell everything everytime nice

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Is that a cross between a coat and a couch, I don't think god will take too kindly to being called a cross between a coat and a couch, what kind of coat, a crombie.

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21 Jun 2013 17:16:56
There's a rumour going round this site that Lfc fans can't spell. Surley this isn't true!

You spelt surely wrong mate.

personE

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21 Jun 2013 16:41:41
Eds I know this isent Liverpool related but are how close are arsenal to signing higuain and rooney or isit just speculation cheers mate .

Dave {Ed002's Note - Try the Arsenal page.}

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Mate, we are going for top4! The owners are not happy with where we are! We are not that far behind from what you call the teams above us! We will play the BR way and succeed, with our without Suarez!
So, stop this we need time baloney and let's challenge!

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I'm sorry to burst you bubble but if Aresenal do sign the likes of those players do you really think we have a better chance of getting top 4.

We could possibly be even further behind the top 4 than we were last year.

Many on here seem to think that's BR is some sort of genius who can spot quality talents at bargin prices, based on the fact that only 2 of his 6 signings so far have been any good.

If we have another summer where more players leave than come in how can we expect BR to improve us.

Come the end of the summer we will have an idea if FSG are serious about our club or are just another bunch of investors without any money.

We are either destined to become a mid table side under FSG or BR is going to have to be a very special manager (nothing to say he is yet) to make us competitive on a small budget.

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21 Jun 2013 16:40:58
I wonder how long it will be before people start slagging off I Ayre for not rushing in and paying ridiculous prices for players. I think since the debacle of the dalglish purchases of Carroll, Adam, downing, henderson etc where we paid over the odds for all aforementioned its nice to see Lfc playing a bit of hardball in the transfer market. The people in power at Lfc ie: scouts, Manager etc are there for a reason (because they know more than me the mere fan about football matters) so let them do their job for once and not rip into them because we don't sign someone who looks good on you tube. Lfc will not finish top four next season I just can see it. That's not down to poor management or signings its just because the other 6 teams around us are a year or five ahead. Patience is what the fans gave BR last season and it should continue. Top four is a possibility 2015/16 season and after. These are merely my views and be constructive if you don't agree because the last time I checked all of us on here followed the same team. Come on the red men.

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You might be right, but I still can't help but think that theirs a whiff of incompetence about Ayre as nearly every deal he does just whiffs of being on the shambolic side.

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21 Jun 2013 18:23:12
I think you might have thought differently had you not seen him driving his Harley on the tv. Now that was shambolic.

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I think your post whiffs mate! what deals has Ayre done that are shambolic?

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Ayre is a bit of a concern, he has a very strong line on negotiation and I like that but he does struggle at closing deals . that said overall I would say he has done OK

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I think both Liverpool and arsenal will be in and around top four we can do it.we look a lot better than we did with joe cole and aqualung hanging around the place aspas looks firey and aggressive and that's a big asset in attack its a big part of what makes suarez so good(im not comparing the two AT ALL) a few more good signings and were on the way

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Glass half empty with you isn't it?

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21 Jun 2013 16:31:58
Afternoon eds, I know u sick to your back teeth of suarez questions but was wondering & iam in no way surporting his recent behaviour & media farce but. it seems he is so desperate to leave Liverpool & play regular champs league footy & challenge for league titles which in fairness hasn't happened at lfc was wondering if he didn't do all this moaning in media & had a quiet little wrd with mr ayre & senor rodgers would he have been granted his wish & been allowed to leave or do you think we would have told him to forget it & he staying?
Many thanks amigos.

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21 Jun 2013 16:29:04
just like to say well done to le bron james what a great sportsman, he is also a minor stake holder in r club due to fenway gaining his marketing rights.Tommy Irish Red

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21 Jun 2013 17:55:40
Brilliant complete different sports and what's to
Be happy about him being a minor stake holder grantee he puts in no money and just takes a bit for himself, don't see him at any games and all he's shown so far as a commitment to the club is taking them out to las vagas with Kanye west if they won the league. C'mon even he was smart enough to know that wasn't going to happen. He's a great business man.

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21 Jun 2013 16:22:33
Just joining the banter but I for one am excited by the names we're being linked with and don't think we need 'star' signings. From my perspective I see where people are coming from but I believe BR's approach to be the differentiating factor in our success (or hope of success). From everything I've read about him he has a philosophy of the whole 11 working as an attacking and defending unit so it will be less reliant on 'star' individuals and much more emphasis on the team taking up the right positions and making options more available. If done correctly it has the potential to be more ruthless and relentless when attacking where we will try to overwhelm opponents. I think it's a lot more difficult to defend against 4 or 5 good attackers at once than it is to defend against one very good individual. The signings we are linked with sound really exciting to me as they will no doubt fit this model. I'd like to see us sign another LB and 2 quality CB's also. I'm looking forward to seeing who we sign and can only speak from my opinion but I love watching the first few games of a new season to see how new signings settle and how good they are, Bryan

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21 Jun 2013 15:59:42
I'm incredulous at the notion that the inferred £20 million for Papa is considered to pricey when the paid £31 million for Ferdinand in 2002. why is papa overpriced 11 years later and £11 million cheaper? I don't get this football thing! {Ed002's Note - It is of course nothing whatsoever to do with the price of Ferdinand. Would you feel better if Liverpool paid £31M for Papadopoulos?}

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I sick to death of fans banding about figures and fees like they know what there on about. No one other than the club and the players agents know the total financials!

And all this £5m + £6m = £11m to spend is all pie in the sky football manager rubbish!

Please realise that the average fan doesn't have a clue about how clubs and agents do their business.

NS

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I think posters put a rough fee due to other posters slagging off their choices of incoming players.

I've read many a time on this site posters slagging off others because they have stated three or four players theyd like us to sign only for them to get the FIFA 2014 jibe aimed at them.

Some posters do state someone is valued way more than they are, and I think that's why people do it.

If its roughly right I don't mind it at all.

Jonesred

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We need to learn not to pay over the odds for average players. We've been doing it for way too long and it has got us nowhere.
Great article on the LFC website from Tomkins about the majority of Paisley's signings and how their average age was 22. FSG have not invented anything, they are merely following the club's past.
G

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To be honest ed hardy think a lot of people on this site would be happier if we paid more money for signings

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21 Jun 2013 15:59:33
Not a rumour, but I was on my way to work on the bike this morning and who do I see running round stanley park with 2 of his mates, carragher!
LEGEND!

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Bet that was nice. Dis you get an autograph to stick on ebay
Dragon3383

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2nd post well done good answer - you cynical plank

Barnes was best

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Was probably on a team bonding excercise so was running with Redknapp & Neville

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21 Jun 2013 15:51:08
Hi eds, not a rumour as such- just a question really. With Suarez burning all bridges and Spain bound, it would make sense to see a direct/ like for like ( if there is anyone near what Suarez is like) replacement when we get a good fee for him. Who do you see as a potential "replacement" or do you see something else happening?

Cheers again

Che47 {Ed002's Note - You need to read the posts - I have given my opinion on what I expect to happen.}

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He's a pain and annoyance but he ain't burnt all bridges. If no offer comes in that is acceptable, I think he'll just get on with things myself. As long as he puts in the normal 100%, unlike Torres and Mascherano, I'm not going to be bothered if Suarez is playing for us next season.

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We don't want another Torres situation. Interesting to see Carra's comments about how Torres downed tools in the last 18 months of his stay. I have no respect for him now. Hope we get a good price for Suarez (who I loved until a few weeks ago) and move on and bring in quality
G

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21 Jun 2013 15:43:14
downing and 6m for ben arfa

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Ermm. No.

Red PG

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I would in all honesty keep downing.
at least he is available for all season.

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Great player ben arfa, but he makes darren 'sick note' anderton look like man of steel, downing's not the best but at least he's not injured every 3 games.

Lil Red

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21 Jun 2013 15:36:43
28m and alonso for suarez is brewing up once again, although I believe we could get more! abondeyo the CB also linked aswell as honda, although I believe the hondo story is a recylced one from last season.

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21 Jun 2013 15:29:22
Why do people keep mentioning Coutinho and Sturridge when defending the lack of ambition with our signings. I always knew Coutinho was going to be a good signing and everyone knew already about Sturridge's explosiveness and self confidence. I fail to see anything special about Aspas or Toure. I'm just praying BR gets it right this window, because its the best chance in years we've had to close the gap

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So you know a lot about the signings then? Why don't you give them a chance. The point people are making is sturridge was Chelsea's bench warmer but look at the difference same with infer and continho. The top 4 clubs didn't go after them did they

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Totally agree.

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I am assuming you have only seen Aspas on you tube, He is a dynamo like Dirk but faster and younger . he is a handful and will be a very good squad addition . Kolo is also a PL vet and will definitely help sure up the back line . stop moaning!

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What's your problem with a poster commenting on players what do you know about football clearly nothing don't see you saying anything but criticising someone else on their knowledge go get a life you gimp.

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Coutinho is class but needs to be protected from playing too many games at this early stage in his career.
I have a major doubt about Sturridge being able to perform at a consistent level all season. He's got the talent.
I would like to see another CF coming as Borini is not good enough at this level. Benteke would be ideal assuming Suarez goes.
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How would you see him getting this window right . I don't get what it is you are asking for?. high priced players?
why do people think price is everything, Shmical, Henrey and many many other superstars were less that 5 mil

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21 Jun 2013 15:28:52
Hi eds, just wondered if you know anything on the ownership details of Henrikh Mkhitaryan. It has been suggested that Shaktar only hold a portion of his rights? Can you confirm this, and if so what implications will it hold with regard to his signature?

Cheers guys.

Red dave {Ed002's Note - RTP.}

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21 Jun 2013 14:55:09
Never knew Gary mackay steven was from the Liverpool academy! Anyone know why he didn't make the gradexat Anfield? Seems like a good player now

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21 Jun 2013 15:20:19
I'd just like to welcome Luis Alberto to the club. Took a look at some YouTube clips of him (with the obvious caveat that anyone can look good). but he genuinely looks like he has vision, composure and can score goals. Not sure how pacy he is, nor whether he can handle the physicality of our league - but looking forward to seeing him play.

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He's no better than what Liverpool already got!

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And how do you no like av you seen much of him because I don't think many of us no who he was until he was 1st stated to be a target! person!

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Liverpool have no player like Luis Alberto so I don't get your stupid point 2nd poster.

Suso is similar but he is left footed you plank, so they could play on differnt sides. Stop being a whining b*aaaatch

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21 Jun 2013 17:13:26
To the last poster.
Assaidi was Ronaldo for you an year ago.

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21 Jun 2013 18:00:04
Harry what does assiadi got to do with this?
Do you see things that ain't there?!
I never rated assaidi, Luis Alberto is nothing like assaidi either! What is your point?

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21 Jun 2013 19:25:11
No the way you describe alberto. is outstading.
I am 100% sure you have never watched him play.
there were 100s here who described assaidi as the next trump card like you

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Alberto is more advanced in his footballing education than suso, their only similarites are their both spanish. ALberto will slot into the forward left position or number 10, competing with aspas and coutinho I would imagine. He will prove to be yet another gem unearthed by LFC ala Alonso and I predict will be mentioned in the same breath as mata and silva in years to come as a quality attacking midfielder.

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Harry maybe he could/ could of been given a chance

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21 Jun 2013 15:01:30
From 2015 there won't be any 3rd party ownership for players in Europe.UEFA has banned it as part of FFP {Ed002's Note - That is not the case. UEFA want rid but it is not within the control of UEFA - it is a matter for FIFA. Anything that eventually happens will not be implemented retrospectively.}

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21 Jun 2013 14:56:14
I don't have insider information this is just my opinion.
I don't think either Alderweild or Papa will sign. I do think we will sign another centre half though.
Papa is very good but too expensive and 20m is just daylight robbery, whilst IMO Alderweild is not what we need and we'll look elsewhere.
I'll also stand by what I said a week ago that Mkhitaryan won't sign but we will sign a similar player instead.
We will see. I can't wait for preseason!
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Why is Alderwield not what we need? International CB, with bags of experience for his age. what is he 24/25? He has won titles and competitions. He is a ball playing CB like Agger, comes from a side who knows how to play. He is £6 – 8 mil depending what you read. Even if he is £10mil his wages will not be stupid.

Forget Papa – injury prone all top CL sides have turned away. Schalke want around £15 - £18mil. Probably twice the fee. We need to build and no one has mentioned lack of Left Back. Rather Alderwield and a £6-£8mil Left back than one Greek with injury problems. Remember Aqualiani? Injury prone £18mil signing.
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21 Jun 2013 14:38:58
Most excellent post to have ever reached these pages. Totally agree with everything u have just said pal.
Doom mongers- quit whining and chelping and support the club and Manager.

Shabba!

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Which post man?

The real AG

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21 Jun 2013 14:33:50
Looks like the Danny Wilson to Hearts deal is off. Hearts now under embargo because they have gone into administration and can neither sell nor buy players.

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I kinda feel sorry for Wilson. Like Carroll, he was just at the wrong place at the wrong time. He should have stayed at Rangers than come to us. Lack of first team opportunities didn't do his career any good.

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I agree Indian, however physically he wasnt very strong (yet) and quite slow, which meant he couldn't play LB when required.
Another example of a player who needed to develop more before such a move.

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21 Jun 2013 14:29:37
Celtic Liverpool game sold out already, looking forward to the occasion the two most passionate teams in The uk can't wait but most importantly can't wait for the after party with you lot! All the best for the epl this season if you get champions league, my dream would be to have you lot us and bvb in the same group 3 best supporters in Europe what an occasion that would be.

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21 Jun 2013 14:25:47
Danny Wilson is looking for another club after Hearts pulled the plug on his move from Liverpool because they have gone into administration.Hearts boss Gary Locke claims they are forbidden from signing Wilson on the three-year deal they promised him in May because of the SPL's transfer embargo on clubs in administration.

Hey eds Liverpool never gave him the chance to prove himself, do you think he is that bad.

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Hes a good championship player at best, he needs to play to develop he won't do that at LFC. The best move for him is to find a team where he will play every week.

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To be honest he didn't really cut the mustard when he was on loan at championship clubs either.

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21 Jun 2013 14:12:46
So it is 3 down (Aspas, Toure and Alberto) and atleast 5 more to go i.e
Mkhitryan, Papadopoulos, Atsu, Illori and Mignolet although I would like a back-up LB as well.

Personally I feel Mkhi and Papa are the most important for us to improve the 1st team and if it means paying a few more for them and losing out on the likes of Illori and Atsu I reckon we should do that.
What do you reckon fellow kopites?

I really the reports of us cooling our interest in Papa are untrue as I feel 15 million pounds will get him and he would improve the defence immensely. Still if Schalke don't budge then we should move for Zouma I reckon as going for Toby Alderwield would be suicidal as he is too similar to agger and we need more of a beast in defence.

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We won't be getting Papa. too expensive for an injury prone play! also Mktaryan is not looking as likely now either. here's hoping!

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21 Jun 2013 13:57:03
first time posting but have been reading the posts for 3 yrs now. can anyone tell me if I can get the new Liverpool jersey in london or any near about places.
DIE HARD RED FROM INDIA

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21 Jun 2013 14:24:48
London. why don't you buy online.

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Just order it from their website

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Yes you can, you can get it from almost anywhere but sports direct is probably the best priced.

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Yes mate it does say mignolet cf, 3 season ago he was going for the golden boot .

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21 Jun 2013 13:48:38
BR is cleverly choosing flexible players just look:
Luis alberto: CF CM and LW
Atsu: LW and RW
Aspas:ST CF and RM
Henrikh: CAM CF ST
Mignolet: GK CB CF CDM LB

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What is ST?

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Striker, I assume

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ST=Striker.

Pretty clear ALI G is a FIFA fan.

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Have I read this correct, mignolet CF?.

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You don't want depend on Mignolet to play in other areas, do you?

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21 Jun 2013 13:48:02
hey eds. is lfc in talks with or interested in any defensive midfielders? is alderweirald a target? and what's the situation with skrtel? {Ed002's Note - Search engine.}

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21 Jun 2013 13:42:46
I think we should take the oportunity to loan youngsters as we cannot offer playing time anymore as we don't have europa league :
Wisdom to fulham
pacheco to a spanish club
Flanagan and robinson bolton etc
shelvey pl club

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21 Jun 2013 13:41:47
Jesus Christ what the HELL is wrong with all of the whining little b*llends on this site?!?! The transfer window hasn't even opened and all of your periods have already synchronised!

'We haven't even heard of these players, and nobody else wants them!' - You do realise a lot of amazing players were bought for peanuts and developed at teams before gaining a reputation, don't you? Obviously not. Furthermore, who actually knows which teams are in for who? The media sources? They're always trustworthy aren't they. wait, no.

It's fair enough for people to be somewhat nervous about the signings being made, that's natural considering every single one of us on this site want what is best for our club. What is NOT fair enough, is the amount of self righteous, ignorant posters who are lambasting and wrongly judging players before they even sign the dotted line to become a Liverpool player.

We saw last season the improvement in the players from the season before, most notably Henderson. Take a minute to mull over the fact Rodgers may be signing young, talented players who, given a full pre-season, he can start to mould to exactly what he wants. On top of that, players like Mkhitaryan and Aspas WILL improve the squad. I can say that as I've seen Aspas, and he's a good player. I've also seen Mkhitaryan, and every single time he's been quality.

It isn't just about buying 'well known' players for silly money, it's about buying players that will create a fluid, working unit who understand each other. Can we please just wait to see how they perform before everyone starts tearing them apart? It's incredibly unfair on the lads and it's also a sorry indicator of how impatient fans are.

JFT 96

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Fantastic post JP, I really couldn't have it any better. It's great to see a little common sense, Simonpw

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Great post.

London red

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Shouldn't need to be said, but said well JP

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No matter how many times you say it JP mate, there will be b*llends coming up with the usual tripe.

A lot of them could well be kids on Hols.

The real AG

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Well said mate.

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Nicely said JP. I said somethin very similar the other day!

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21 Jun 2013 13:39:05
Both players got huge potential talent and maybe the competition between them will help to unlock it. in other words we could end up with two worldies for seven million which would be class buisness

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21 Jun 2013 13:21:36
right

so far alberto aspas and toure

possibly mhk, a cb, and mignolet

outs likely suarez and a few others

my problem
point 1 lack of attacking leaders

where are the attacking leaders that can be relied upon when the chips are down to get us goals and win us games.

couti too young to be expected to do it every game, aspas new league new land, alberto too young, sturridge can't stay fit, downing doesn't score enough, mhk is the only real proven goal getter in the bunch and he will be adjusting

i worry that unless we sign a top class striker to replace luis our starting 11 will be weaker this season whilst our bench options might be a little stronger

point 2 stabilty
thats six players in possibly 3-4 out. brendan has been going about how last season was a base to build. not if we change round so many players each window. so much change in personel does not lead to immediate stabilty
keeping your best ones and adding 2/3 quality players does

if suarez goes I don't see us getting anywhere near top four this season nless he is replaced by someone who can be relied upon to produce magic

i know people will reply mhk got 25 goals last season, aspas got 12 and will likely score more with us and I hope this is so. I just don't want us to be relying on youngsters with promise and guys just arriving or a striker who can't seem to stay injury free to fire us up the league table

losing suarez is a massive blow and yes signing mhk would go some way towards softening it but I stillthink we need a 20 million pound striker up top to challenge sturridge for that no 9 spot and that can be counted on to score goals if sturridge gets inured again. can we rely on borini to do it at this stage or aspas

imagine sturridge gets injured early inthe season

aspas borini alberto doesn't exactly fill anyone with dread does it. teams facing suarez are rubbishting themselves, they know he s capable of anything. who will give us that real fear factor, who will terrorise opposition defenders, scare them into mistakes

now I have no doubt that as all these new signings settle and the younger lads mature we will have an excellent side in a year or two but regards this season I can't see it myself. I don't see us improving on our league position from last year unless a real replacement for luis is found. 40 odd millionthats mhk and another 20 million pound man

2 upcoming stars to replace one worldclass superstar

i have big hopes for aspas, I hope he will be come great but I wouldnot expect more than 15 a season from him
i have big hopes for alberto couti and their technical abilities but they are so yong to have the weight of a huge club on their young shoulders

i just don't know. ian ayre said it may takea few years to get back into the cl league. I now feel this was him softening the blow of us losing suarez this summer and trying to bang some realism into us as fans not to expect too much too soon

its always next year. rodgers said he had built his base this year. now a vital cog of that base is being removed in luis.
another year of rebuilding them and waiting for players to settle and gel. not ideal is it?

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No and neither is writing off the team/transfer window before its even opened or we have even received a bid for(let alone sold)ANY player!
In Buck we trust!

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Good post tom, I agree with you, but we do have Koule in defense, and Gerrard, in midfield, Aspas looks experienced to me, and if we do buy Mickey I am sure he will show his experience, I would like a more experienced striker as a back up to Sturridge, but we don't have loads of money for a top quality striker, maybe a 30 year old can be picked up from Europe, I would have gone for Darren Bent as a back up but hey, who am i? let's also hope BR is aware of this.

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Don't mean to spoil your argument but Suarez
Is not the difference between top 4 and not, if he were then we would've finished top 4 this year or the year before.

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21 Jun 2013 13:20:07
I for one, and it's been a long while coming, am very pleased with our proactive approach, especially after the embarrassment of last summer.

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21 Jun 2013 13:19:18
Alex Pearce signs a new contract at Reading. Source : tv

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Was never a option

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21 Jun 2013 12:40:15
Quite agree with previous text stating that we seem to bringing in a lot of mediocre players that I haven't even heard of and other clubs are not going after. Hope I'm wrong and these players prove to be worldbeaters . time will tell.

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I believe that very few people had heard of Christiano Ronaldo before we had the chance (which he wished to take!) to buy him for £4 million. THat was a really wasted opportunity!
DM2013 (I'm back)

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So the OP thinks Toure and Alberto are mediocre? please justify your post because Mkhitaryan and Papa are very highly sought after players from some top clubs.
Imo the quality of your post is more mediocre than that of the players.

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21 Jun 2013 12:59:57
Toure
Aspa
Alberto
Mignolet
Mkhitaryan
These's are all the players that I know Liverpool in for, so I would like to know please will we sign them? and when do you think when will we sign them?:)
YNWA
Please post Thanks

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Have you not read the posts chap, as the eds keep on saying its impossible to predict when players will sign, but anyway here it is again Toure has already agreed to join as has Aspas subject to paperwork being completed, Alberto is on Mersyside for a medical and should sign by end of the week, we are in negotiations with both Mignolet and Mkhitaryan which looks like they will both sign. Also nobody can officially sign until July 1st.

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21 Jun 2013 12:59:08
Can anyone tell me why we aren't in for Paulinho? We are letting Tottenham snap him up without even a fight. Not only that, he's cheaper than Micky '3 owners' Ryan. Paulinho is just what we need in midfield, I feel like tearing my hair out that we aren't even going to bother with a bid. Placing all your chips on one player which might go belly up because of multiple owners is just amatuarish.

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I think its already a done deal to spurs along with bernard and soldado?

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Paulinho will end up at Inter Milan as they are very interested and have long term interest in the player.

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21 Jun 2013 14:03:19
why aren't real madrid barcelona arsenal chelsea man u and man city after him? its all down too interest, tottenham it, we dont, move on and grow up

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Because we already have Coutinho.

We don't want too Man United "inho" in the midfield now do we?

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Well that comment didn't go that well. It was supposed to say "too many "inho" in midfield.

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21 Jun 2013 16:56:29
Geeeez, another daft whining 'fan'
The worst is whining over things that is yet to happen and probably won't even happen.
And to the spud, you said that about 20 other players! Stop dreaming? Lol.
Can't see spurs spending £ 50 million without selling Bale.
Paulinho will end up at Inter.
Bernard will stay where he is or move to Atletico Madrid to replace Arda Turan.
Damiao will end up at Napoli.

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21 Jun 2013 12:57:31
Seeing as most on hear had never heard of Mkhitaryan before May 2013 and have only seen the highlights via YouTube. Why all of a sudden is it a hope he signs? This deal looks a mess due to ownership issues, add the potential costs and the time to sort out, I'd say walk away from this one. For the same money £25mil we could sign Thiago for £15mil or Eriksen for £15mil (maybe less?) But basically a player just as good/better for £10mil less. That £10mil could be used elsewhere, Alderwield? Plenty of Dutch/Italian/Spainish U21 stars from the recent tournement could be in the £10mil bracket. Think we should move on and pick up two class players without hassle than maybe one which might not even be able to happen.
Carlo

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Your in dreamland if you seriously think Thiago will join us. Eriksen probably won't either.

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Ok, but point is there are players young and top talent for £10-£15mil these two being prime example. If this guy is £25mil plus ownership issues and agents to pay = £30mil at least. We are happy to meet the release clause yet this isn't enough to buy him? Why bother when we could sign two straightforward (as straightforward as any normal looking transfer) top players instead. Just do not see the point in wasting time and effort, miss players like Eriksen, Thiago. You say No chance for Thiago? BR has strong conections at Barca and has had schools there with their academy (probably including Thiago) The way we are looking to play, strong Spanish connections (BR also fluent) and game time - the reason he is leaving. Do not just write us off because of one season without europe. He might only play 3 games for Man U in the CL if that's where is going? But to not try and get him because we're spending time on the hassle of Micky. Wasted oppertunity.

Carlo

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MK is quality and fits our system and he wants to play for Liverpool FC over CL. He is a proven goal scorer even from midfield, quick and technically very talented unfortunately he is coming into his prime hence the price tag. Any top player who wants to play for Liverpool over CL is good for me.

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21 Jun 2013 12:08:13
I wanted to throw a scenario out there, that all seem to have completely dismissed. Is it possible that the expected arrival of Ilori and departure of Coates, could be the last of our defensive dealings?

I know people most are desperate to sign Papadopolous (he's vastly overpriced), or another e.g Anderweireld. But Skrtel could yet stay. I struggle to remember that he was our player of the season, just two seasons ago. Yes he seemed to struggle to adapt to BR's system, but he has quality.

I'm not staying that I want him to stay, as a fee of £10 mil plus would be a good return. However it may be that we're left without much of a choice.

BR seems desperate to revamp our static midfield and find more balance within the side. I hope Aspas and Alberto will provide this. I certainly feel they'll fit more comfortably that Downing or Shelvey, who both could depart.

Allen and Borini will be back fit and raring, which gives competition to the team that we lacked last year. Sterling also, will get games and I hope to see Texeira also make the transition to the 1st team soon.

Assaidi is surely gone, with another cut price player in the electric, if not erratic Atsu arriving in his place. Mignolet is a top keeper for me. He'll be a good replacement for Pepe, which is sad to say. But Barca will come knocking again. It's a World Cup year and if Cassillas suffers injuries, Pepe would feel playing in La Liga as a good opportunity to sneak in ahead of him.

Mkhitarian is number one target, that's clear to everyone. He's a top talent and personally I'd be delighted if he signed. SD like Porto, don't sell cheap so if you factor in agent fee's, his confusing ownership etc I feel the de would cost £30 mil, which is a risk. Essentially Carroll's sale, plus the owners cash will be covering this signing.

All the other potential ins, would be mostly offset by the sales of Reina, Spearing, Shelvey, Downing, Assaidi and Coates. The only one bar Reina, who I'd understand but would be sad about leaving is Downing. Whilst I like the look of Aspas and Alberto, I still think as a fairly steady, reliable performer he warrants a place in the squad.

I'd imagine without the Suarez situation, that would be our summer. Some strong talent in Ilori and Alberto to match with the talent of Mk, Mignolet and Aspas, plus the experience of Kolo. If be happy with that. However LS is surely off to Madrid. It may be a long and painful process, but I just don't see him staying.

It'll be a blow, but surely it'll offer funds for a left back, defensive midfielder and potential replacement. Of course losing world class players is painful, but at this point it's wise to think of the squad. A stronger, settled and balanced squad is likely to reap more rewards than relying on an individual.

Papa G

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I don't see pepe or downing going this summer. I think some of you on here need to look at what's going on. if br gets rid of all the older players he could find himself with a lot of problems. he is trying to build up the squad so I just don't see him selling the likes of downing or pepe.
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Good post Papa G, I don't see Shelvey & Downing leaving but the rest I agree with the main thing to me is to get strength in depth into the squad as last year we didn't have it.

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21 Jun 2013 12:06:21
How bout shane long great in the air for a lil lad never gives the opposition a minute to relax maybe I'm been a bit bias because I'm IRISH but I think with our set up he can only get better just my opinion love to hear other reds on this cheers JON96

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Wantin this to happen for the last year or two.need an irishman in the team, but his workrate speaks for itself and would fit perfect within the team when playing lone stiker.and young aswel.

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21 Jun 2013 11:52:20
oh well more mediocre players arriving then. Toure (not played regularly for over two years) Alberto ( never heard of him but Barcelona obviously did not want him) Aspas (other clubs were not queuing up so can't be that good) Middle table again boys and girls get used to it.

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We need a big name manager to attract players.

The Charisma of Kenny is fading, just a memory, like our glory days.
The end of October will be 'interesting'.

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It's all over. let's pull out the league all together the pain is too much to handle.

Or maybe with expectations so low we might just surprise ourselves.

Alfie

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21 Jun 2013 12:33:00
Sturridge hadn't been playing regularly. Not many had heard of Coutinho. So I guess that puts those to bed.

As for not many teams being after Aspas, actually many top Spanish sides were. You are clueless. The only way you'll see your side finish mid table is if you are a blue.

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21 Jun 2013 12:39:45
Just because u never heard of them doesn't mean there no good I'm sure u never heard of our lil gem in countino but look how he turned out trust in buck and the team around him and the players he and they choose to represent this GREAT CLUB I believe and trust 100 percent and will bk any players they bring in that's what we do as fans JON96

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Toure - a good solid versatile and experienced defender, good replacement for Carragher.

Alberto - Good young prospect, and not exactly a massive risk at 6 million.

Aspas - Played well for a struggling side in the Spanish league, and can play anywhere across the front 3, much better than Assaidi in my opinion.

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How do you reckon Kenny is a fading star?

Does he not have a twitter account or something?

The need to put down one of our own is unquechable on this site by some floopers.

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Why would Barcelona want Alberto when Thaigo is a much better player and can't get a game?

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Pathetic from OP.

The real AG

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21 Jun 2013 11:50:52
Apparently schalke won't budge on their high valuation of Papadopoulos.
therefore Alderweireld at 6mil is the new main target to replace skrtel.

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Why not just keep Skrtel?

6 center backs next season:

Skrtel_Agger
Kelly_Toure
Wisdom_Ilori/Jones

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21 Jun 2013 11:50:48
ED - Mirror reporting that Andy Carroll demanded a big payoff from LFC before signing at West Ham. Is this common or were we that desperate to see him go that we agreed to pay him? {Ed002's Note - I have no interest in getting in to the money.}

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Probably a loyalty bonus considering he never asked for a transfer its common practice.

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21 Jun 2013 12:33:58
He never demanded anything its a loyalty bonus as he never asked to leave! every player is due one if they are sold and didn't ask to be! probably why Liverpool are want king luis to put in a request! he never demanded anything

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He wouldn't of got anything he wasn't owed so what's the issue? He's gone now and hopefully it will help his career and the money will help us improve, I wish him all the best.

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2M loyalty bonus since AC did not request a transfer and rightly so!

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21 Jun 2013 11:48:37
Hi eds have we shown any interest on Honda and diame? I think they can do good job for us and will not cost much. Thank {Ed002's Note - Search engine.}

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21 Jun 2013 11:31:11
i think we would really challenge if we could snap up.
Papa, Micky & Benteke/Muriel.
These are quality players for now not future.

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Muriel and Brenda LOL!

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21 Jun 2013 11:26:43
For everyone asking why we are trying to sign alberto when barca don't want him and sevilla are willing to let him go for a relitively small fee its because barca dnt need to spend 7 mill on a player similar to sum of the youngsters they already have.sevilla need the cash.most of the big teams around europe want established players and dedicate their scouting to that end. We have had to find another way as we cannot compete with sum of these teams for the same players ie fernandinho 30 odd million vs coutinho the inter reject at 8 odd million and sturridge at 10, both proof that this aproach can work and that we don't need billions to compete we just need to be patient and trust BR and his scouts. From wot I have seen of luis alberto (admittedly not much and at a lower level) he looks good and bearing in mind that 10 odd million is the going rate for most average players these days I think we have got a good deal with the potential to be the bargain of the summer.
Sorry for the long post but just wish people would have sum faith. YNWA

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21 Jun 2013 12:20:10
We have Suso for free with us.

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21 Jun 2013 11:25:59
The Mkhitaryan position is starting to sound a bit dodgy now.How do clubs arrange these part ownership deals with other clubs/companies.Ive never heard it before with UK based players.Any EDS shed any light on how it works etc? {Ed002's Note - It is not allowed in the UK. It is very common elsewhere.}

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21 Jun 2013 11:21:21
hi eds great work asusal two quick ones
1.are we lookin at any alternatives for atsu in case if the deal doesn't go
2.is it true tat hm is intrested in joining us but his agent and shakthar are playin a hard game {Ed002's Note - (1) No idea. (2) It is not quite that simple.}

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21 Jun 2013 11:18:46
Sky reporting Luis Alberto is undergoing his medical. :)

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21 Jun 2013 11:18:01
hi this is a first timer, I want to ask if anyone in our scout monitoring geovani de santos of mexico I think this is exactly what we need instead of s-danwing

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Do we need him- i'm not a huge fan of Downing but doesn't Dos Santos have a reputation for being a bit of a party animal.

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Good player, but he didn't exactly light up the BPL the first time around.

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As well as being garbage

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I've seen him play a few times and I think he's actually a little gem

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He is 26. not exactly a little gem is he?

he drinks more than Carroll

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21 Jun 2013 11:08:24
I can't help feeling we'll start next season with both Reina and Suarez on the books.
Both want-aways who desire "something bigger".
personally, I don't want anybody whose heart is elsewhere and, in the case of Reina, I think we should cash in.
Re Suarez I think the Club are playing it cool. We have the little Vampire on a longish contract and both parties know that.
Real Madrid and Barcelona will baulk at paying Luis's true worth and he won't want to move his family to France or Germany unless it's completely perfect for his family.
Pepe Reina isn't the goalie he was and, personally, I'd cash in. However, he isn't in good enough form to be choosy and has a life on Merseyside he'd find hard to replicate elsewhere.
I think both players need to fight more for their places and selling Carroll, Downing, Skirtel etc, will, perhaps, enable us to bring in enough quality to prompt them to stick around.
There's a World of difference in being a season-ticket holder and a Board-member reference buying and selling. but it boils down to maintaining a Top-Class squad and Luis Suarez and Pepe Reina aren't bad players to lay the law down to re contracts!
These two plus Mikhyteran, Alberto, Aspas, Papadopoulos, Toure and ANother would make for an awesome squad.
Personally, I'm more concerned that we have Gerrard, Sturridge, Allen, Kelly and Sterling fit for the start of next season. These players are the "backbone" insomuch as they want to play for Liverpool Football Club. Reina and Suarez have laid their cards on the table and we don't forgive too easily.
Whatever happens, whoever we buy or sell, I'll stick behind Brendan Rodgers because he's clearly amassing a squad in his image. Whether or not Suarez, Reina etc. want a slice of the pie is moot. The Liverbird is stirring.
ANFIELDPETE

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Both can go for me. I'd thank Pepe for everything he's done for us. In my time watching Liverpool (from the teams of the 80's) he's been the best keeper we've had. But a change seem the right thing for both parties.

Suarez can do what ever he wants. I don't want to see him in a Liverpool shirt again. For all the support and friendship given to him in abundance by us fans, he's a disgrace to the club. I'd hate to see my son grow up and idolise the pathetic little gimp.

I personally think the way the club/manager/board are conducting them selves is quality. Good to see a bit of class back in the mix.

One thing you're bang on with though Pete is the Liverbird is definitely stirring. Even typing it is getting me fired up.

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To be fair I haven`t read anywhere that Pepe has said he wants to leave.although I do think that us as a club seem to try and hold on to our best players from maybe 2 or 3 seasons ago a bit too long when they drop in form and never seem to get it back.I think we should give him a move, get someone younger in ie Mignolet and move on.

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Pepe said first that he would go if Barca came in for him and now, he says that if a bigger club comes in for him, he will go and that he is sure that LFC won't stand in his way.

he also said there are not many bigger clubs than LFC.

I get the feeling Pepe was hoping to got to Barca, but since that looks unlikely now, he is trying to possibly see if there is interest from other clubs.

The real AG

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21 Jun 2013 10:56:21
Hey Eds, great site. Are Liverpool signing Luis Alberto instead of or as well as Iago Aspas? I rate Aspas very highly and would be gutted to him slip from our fingers. Cheers {Ed002's Note - In addition to.}

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21 Jun 2013 10:53:26
Anything on Kyriakos Papadopoulos?
If the can get his signature, the run for top 4 is actually likely.

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Schalke don't want to budge on the £18-20mil price tag, which is a lot for a defender who is injury prone.
Liverpool only wanted to pay £12-14 million.
Other options like Alderweireld seem more likely.

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Liverpool have no interest in Alderweireld

Dont talk nonsense

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21 Jun 2013 10:50:34
Plenty of encouraging transfer rumours so far for the Reds, but what's happening with Tom Ince - is this deal a non-starter now?
And is Jonjo Shelvey really being linked with West Ham. hope so!

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21 Jun 2013 10:46:24
With the interest in Papadopolous reportedly gone from Liverpool and Toby Alderweirld close to joining Bayer Leverkusen. What realistic CBs does this leave us with?

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21 Jun 2013 10:39:02
i reaally think we need to improve our midfielfd. only exceptional player in our squad remains lucas. suarez is a wasteful piece of crap. Stevie is old nd is not enuf a player anymore. I wasnt impreesed by stevie last season. maybe we need a charlie adam type passer of the ball instead of steven .enrique can play as a LW instead of LB . we need clinical striker like Darren Bent or Steven fletcher because suarez misses to much. trust me if dis is done then we can be in top 3 next season . I know a lot about football nd I know what i'm talkin about

#ROMEL CAMELLO

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Did you just insinuate that Charlie Adam is better at passing than Steven Gerrard?

Hopeless.

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I don't mean to sound insulting anyone saying we need a player like Charlie Adam can't know too much about football.

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You've just made my day, what a ridiculous post!

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Jeremy Kyle just finished!

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I'm trying to establish if it's sarcasm or not!?

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He also insinuated that darren bent and Steven fletcher are better than suarez!
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I want some of whatever this guy is on!

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21 Jun 2013 12:38:35
Deary me, gents, can't we see this post for what it is?

He might as well have signed it with Sir WUM of WUMington.

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21 Jun 2013 10:20:07
Im in Luv wid ed 02 |

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Shes hot
Dragon3383

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21 Jun 2013 12:23:09
Not a chance then.
harry scousser here just for her.
Ed. come and get me.

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21 Jun 2013 10:19:16
Hi Eds
Do you think there is any truth in the news that Andy Carroll received a £1million golden handshake to leave the Reds?

BaldyRed {Ed002's Note - He will be no doubt be due something - what I don't know.}

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21 Jun 2013 10:11:15
The Mkhitaryan position has become a lot clearer this morning, the player was, indeed, due to arrive in Liverpool, via Moscow, on Thursday evening, and his club were happy with the fee and terms offered .

Unfortunately for us, Shakhtar only own one of his legs, the other being owned by an Eastern European Business Consortium, who are far from happy .

The deal may still go through but in weeks rather than days .

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If that's the case then i'd imagine the fee will go above what Liverpool are prepared to pay. I Hope he joins looks a very good player and gives us lots of options as he can play various positions.

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I see Cardiff own 1 of his arms and dynamo kiev the other, load of pap

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21 Jun 2013 10:08:42
I'd just really like to say that I'm absolutely thrilled at the way we are going about our business this summer. let's not forget that the window isn't even officially open yet! I'm not naive and I do realise that a lot of the lads we're linked with won't join, but the signs are promising. It's exciting to think what we'll do with any cash generated from the impending suarez deal, and I really, GENUINELY think that if we can add real depth to our squad (Aspas, Alberto, Toure, Atsu) and then add one or two big names (Mkhitayan and Papadopoulos). Brendan has learned from his past mistakes and that is commendable. I've had my issues with Rodgers in the past but so far this summer, he has really impressed me! Bring this summer on! Sorry I realise this isn't a question and is just me singing our praises! YNWA

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Fully agreed, great post.
Chris

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Yes, great post. And I particularly like the way you've split your list into big names (Mkhitaryan & Papadopolous) and smaller names like Aspas, Atsu, Kolo etc! Just perfect for my level of intellect.

Coyle's Law states.

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21 Jun 2013 12:31:13
Mkhitaryan and Papadopoulos do have rather large names don't they.

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21 Jun 2013 09:32:07
ed do you know if its true that we have dropped our interest in Papadopolous? {Ed002's Note - See previous answers.}

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21 Jun 2013 09:27:31
Not really a rumour but we seem to be getting weaker when teams around us are getting stronger I fear for us
Cant see many of the senior players being very impressed.
We need cl this year or kiss it goodbye for a long long time surley the owners see this ed wot is your view

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I am trying to work out how the statement 'we seem to be getting weaker' can be true.
I think that the anonymous poster should try and justify this - from where I am sitting I see a club that is extremely active in the market adding quality players (and I am not the type to write the players off even before they have signed).

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21 Jun 2013 09:12:35
eds iam confused over this luis alberto deal.he is not in the spanish u20 squad in the upcoming world cup.he was not in the spanish u21 squad in the euros.sevilla don't want him.barcelona looked at him for a year and they don't want him.we appear not to have any competition for his signature.surely we could find a better use for the reported six million.hopefully you can tell me I am wrong and restore my confidence. {Ed002's Note - That is a Dear Mr Rodgers question.}

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21 Jun 2013 10:18:19
He looks a decent player, But he isn't what we needed.
and getting into Spanish team is damm difficult mate. How many of our player would go inot their team or barca?
hendo?. downing?. allen? whom we paid more 50 mill alltogether.
Apart from coutniho and his skills. none would get into a Barca or spanish team.
may be lucas would do a bench.

Most of the English players and England national squad is awful. go watch the u21. alberto would sure get inot any english side.

harry scousser

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Nobody competed with us for Coutinho 8m or sturridge 12m. It's about d system not d galacticos. MonaghanRed

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He infact IS wanted by Seville but they can not afford to keep, as for Barca I think one of the eds mentioned before that they are saving every penny they can and raising cash so they can attain their primary transfer target. As for the Spain u21's they have an abundence on talent other countries can only dream off! Does it make Coutinho bad because he isn't in the Brazil 11 or even squad?
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Mate, Coutinho wasn't / still isn't in the Brazil squad but would you moan about him now?
It just so happens that Spain have a raft of absolute worldies at all levels at present. Give the lad a chance.
I've sometimes been critical of Rodgers or FSG but, come on, I'd say 90% of us have never seen these new names play. So how can you moan about their quality?
I'd love it if the Armenian and Greek were signed, then that would be a very good window for us.
The Juicer

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21 Jun 2013 09:08:33
Hi Eds, lots of reports of us cooling of interest in papadopoulos which in my view isn't a very smart move. Could be a negatiation tactic but if there really is no interest in him any more, who are the alternatives? {Ed002's Note - Done to death. RTP.}

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21 Jun 2013 09:08:05
Hi Eds what is the latest on Mkhitaryan? Do you see us going back for Eriksen if we can't sign HM? And also, is the Papa deal definitely off? {Ed002's Note - Done to death. RTP.}

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21 Jun 2013 09:03:06
Sevilla forward Luis Alberto scheduled to arrive on Merseyside on Friday for a medical ahead of a £6.8m move.


according to the BBC

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21 Jun 2013 08:49:14
I totally agree. Good honest post. A little bit more ambition with our signings please Reds so we can catch up with the 6 teams above us

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21 Jun 2013 07:26:01
Alright Eds? Well. Overall i've been pleasantly happy searching "Liverpool transfer news" daily in google, brendan is certainly going in the right directions in terms of transfer targets, whether to believe or not, but we seem to be bumping into some sticky situations in terms of closing our targets, (Aspas with more than 1 agent, Henrikh having more than 1 owner). I know that we have signed Aspas 'in principal" although, if these rumours are correct, will we be resolving these issues anytime soon? are these issues normal in transfers? I would just like to know if these issues are true and is our interest strong enough to battle through these circumstances? Thanks

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21 Jun 2013 07:23:51
Eds, Echo report that Alberto should be in Liverpool today for his medical? Any truth?

Cheers {Ed002's Note - Alberto is already in England - I don't know the schedule but assume the medical is imminent. If you stand outside and listen for a cough, you will know it has been done.}

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21 Jun 2013 10:20:16
Ed 02 again.
a cough?. My God. teme dear. how do you make these all. instant replies?

harry scousser

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As usual Ed002 a class reply!

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21 Jun 2013 07:21:28
Hi eds
Was just wondering if we decided that papa was too expensive and had missed out opportunity with alderweid, what do you see the club doing?
Do you think it may change their decision on selling skrtel, or will they scout again or do you know of interest in any other more experienced/established centre backs than ilori
Thanks
Alex YNWA {Ed002's Note - There is plenty of time yet.}

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21 Jun 2013 06:25:24
Fellow reds

Some banter. Not ITK, it is all my opinion and hypothesis.

I wanted to post my thoughts on the "LFC Project", as per FSG - and hear your opinion on this.

FSG is a business, and LFC is a business. Like any other good business, there are two clear objectives -
1. Sustained profits year on year.
2. Like any start-up or recent acquisition, there is another factor - negative cash burn rate, i.e. negative cash flow in the initial phases while the skeleton of the organization is being created/re-structured.

There is a third character trait of most acquisitions - mistakes. Most acquisitions see a few mistakes made in the first few months/years post the acquisition. The important part is learning from yours and others' mistakes and having a long term vision to go forward.


And from the way the they are trying to run the club, one can sense that all the above points hold true.

Over the first few months after the purchase of Liverpool, FSG tried an experiment - looking for instant impact. They took some brave decisions under the advice of some "proven" people - however, due to some sinister acts by certain people (wouldn't want to re-open this lest the Eds be troubled by infinite random questions), some of this advice led us to make some mistakes. Disheartening, I agree, but there is a silver lining. FSG kept a sane head on their shoulders in moments of conspiracy and tragedy, and thought of the best way forward. Also, they handled all the evils behind the scenes, without making a hue and cry about it, like a model professional organization.

Now to the good part. If you look at what FSG are trying to do today - they seem to be trying to build something along the lines of the Arsenal/United model. They are looking not at short term success like Man City or Chelsea, but they are looking at building an Era. And that makes sense. As the LFC project is not the whim of some rich billionaire - it is a business. And for long term sustenance, we need a model closer to spurs, rather than real madrid or chelsea.

Looking at the club's seeming strategy - they are looking at having a long term manager at the helm. They are also looking at, as Indian Red suggested, assets with higher returns. A couple of simple management concepts -
For any investment, you should do a cost-benefit analysis. If post the analysis it still makes sense, you go ahead with it. I believe FSG are doing that. Another important part is, the cost should be the TOTAL COST of OWNERSHIP of the asset. Not just the purchase cost.
Another management HR concept - if you are deciding between hiring a risky asset and a non-risky asset, a risky asset is always preferred. I don't want to get into the details of the working here, but you can google the concept - its an interesting read.

Another often used entrepreneurial strategy - invest in 10 high risk - high return ventures, and even if three of them give expected returns, you get a net benefit.

That model seems to be in place, with a reasonably competent manager, who has bought into the strategy. To be honest, I wouldn't say Rodgers is the best 'counter strategist' to what the opposition is trying to do. In that sense, he is more of a pep than a Rafa (not comparing people, just styles). However, Rodgers has bought in to the long term vision. And most importantly, Rodgers is someone who is ready to put a shift in to achieve results, and is humble enough to learn from his mistakes. Also, he seems to be a good coach with good people management skills - which can only be good looking at the youth+ policy of FSG.

I am a management consultant, and understand what it is like to have the most important asset of your organization to be 'people'. Hiring the best becomes imperative, and hiring them young and early is of paramount importance.


Putting all of this together - I would forecast our near and long term future thus -
We need to be patient. We might get lucky, and be brilliant this season. But I would keep my expectations slightly lower - and aim at a good season - with good player development.
But one thing is clear to me - as a business - FSG have a plan, and one that makes a lot of sense. The future's bright, the future's red.

Let's get behind our team, and hope for the best.

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21 Jun 2013 10:21:46
Mate.
I would not hold your breath till the next seaosn is over, But If we fail to achieve the top 4 position.
then probably your post would be in trash and
Ed02 would give you one of the best replies ever.

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The last paragraph is good but it's a tough read to get that far

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Good post wordsmith.
My view on FSG at Liverpool, and bearing in mind Ed002's past info on a future pan-European breakaway is that they certainly have one eye on those developments. The potential for revenue growth, increased sponsorship etc that such a project would offer.
If Ed002 was right on the timescale - within 10 years - I don't think we will see FSG move on before then. Unless some billionaire offers silly money for the club of course.
That's not to say that additional investment may not come in, eg to assist with stadium redevelopment, but FSG will stay the course.
I think you're right, they'll look to run the club as near to sustainability as possible.
Particularly if there's no CL. Fans wil have to get used to these 'smaller' names at transfer window time then.
My major worry is that they have made promises with the stadium, but may have bitten off more than they can chew with it. There's all kinds of local planning problems, before you even get to financing it.
The Juicer

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I don't see how you can class what Chelsea have done as short term success.

The Irish Rover

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Lovin that post.
Dare I say the contributors on this are getting better? Or as Ed002 might say'dont hold your breath!'
Here's to holding!
In Buck we trust!

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21 Jun 2013 06:13:33
luis alberto having medical today

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21 Jun 2013 05:57:30
Hi Eds, any mkhitaryan update, thnks. {Ed002's Note - Nothing happened overnight.}

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What about during the day ed or even tomoro night, what is going to happen next week with him lol you must be sick of ya life answering the same rubbish

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21 Jun 2013 05:07:34
so we have Beroini, sturrage phelipe, Hendo, all fist team starters all under 25 and HM is only 24 .
Danny has 11 goals in 16 appearances
Beroni was a leading in the Italian under 21 team .
Hendo is England captain
PC, well we have seen what he can do .not to mention suso, kelly, Yesil and the rest
for all the doom and gloomers out there I would say that looks like a bright future to me . p.s gerat jobs ED, s I haven't seen one person mention a smoke screen yet

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Beroini, Sturrage and Phelipe?

Are me making some sort of stew?

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21 Jun 2013 03:29:07
why do I have this feeling that the mickey deal is going to turn up like dempsey deal one day it says we're close to signing him then the next day he signs for another club ed's do u reckon he will sign only asking your opinion thanks lfc-liquid

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He will probably defo sign 100% I think lol

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21 Jun 2013 03:26:39
Hi ed(s),
Just wondering wether you think it's realistic that Real will sign both Suarez & Bale? Will it depend on Ronaldo being sold or could all 3 be playing in the same team? Thanks in advance. {Ed002's Note - Real Madrid has an assigned budget and a series of targets. I have explained before all options remain open.}

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21 Jun 2013 01:14:55
Luis alberto having medical friday, then will follow lago aspa, toure, mkhitaryan, astu will all sign on the same day july the 1st

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21 Jun 2013 00:54:33
Ed 002,

Just wondering who you'll be supporting this season? {Ed002's Note - I have not decided yet.}

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Since her husband is a man of leisure Ed002 will be supporting her family this year, just like every other year

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21 Jun 2013 12:25:29
I would be supporting Ed02, No matter what.
No one is bigger than ED02.
harry scousser

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"No one is bigger than Ed002"

Is that literal :)

The real AG

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21 Jun 2013 00:27:54
Hi ed. having trouble signing in. says password wrong. even though its a saved password, and well is correct. so I tried to unregister, it said I wasn't registered! so I registered again, but when typing info and clicking login, it just returns with the fields blank, and thus, not signing me in. any ideas?
Benny baller {Ed002's Note - The site is being moved to a new server - all will be well soon.}

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21 Jun 2013 00:10:00
Apparently Wanyama would be available for over £10m (tv via BBC website). From what I have heard about the player, and given his age (21), that seems to be a reasonable price. Looks a monster in pictures, and would be a challenge for Lucas (who I still rate, but decent competition is always welcome and Wanyama is 5 years younger than Lucas).

Is he worth £10m?

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I'd like to see this happen, doesn't look like we're interested though! If he goes somewhere like Southampton then I could see him being linked with the EPL clubs playing in Europe once they're satisfied he's proven himself in the EPL, which I think he will. I'd like to get him now and let him settle with rotation/backup for Lucas and he'd have time to settle and grow - he looks like he could be very good

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No, they've just taken more money on him than on others. You do know how odds work?

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21 Jun 2013 00:06:36
For those of you thinking a deal with RM for Suarez could include Higuain, think again. According to the Daily Mail (via the a web site website) Arsenal are finalising a move for him for £22m + £150k per week wages. No way we are going to offer that sort of wage packet, unless it is heavily variable.

Eds, are you able to indicate what the current highest basic wage is at Liverpool? I'm guessing (and only guessing!) that its around £125k paid to Suarez, with Gerrard not far behind? Close? Way off the mark?

Thanks

Z

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I think gerrard is top earner though I couldn't tell you what the wages are. Wages aren't necessarily an indicator of being top earner anyway.

Like ed always says it's best not to get involved with the finance because it's more complicated than people think and often there are many costs which are not reported.

Nevada

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Where there is stats there is Nevada.

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20 Jun 2013 22:49:05
Hi eds, can you please explain something to me? Why are we signing alberto when we have suso in that position already at a similar age and (imo) better quality. Could suso possobly be going on loan?
Thanks in advance {Ed002's Note - That is a question for BR.}

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Luis alberto is a much better player than suso that's why

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20 Jun 2013 21:29:16
Hey eds I seek your views.
Everyone is saying that we are doing quick buisness in transfer market but nothing great is being done yet, except selling carroll. Aspas deal looks to be going nowhere, mkhitaryan deal seems 50- 50. Lots of activity if we include media speculation. Does buisness means linked to better class of players.
Thanks. {Ed002's Note - The Aspas deal is fine. HM needs more work as it has hit the financial buffers. Alberto is in hand, Ilori is still on the carsd. I think they are doing OK.}

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Ed are these financial buffers likely to.be a problem or do you still expect a deal to be agreed? {Ed002's Note - See previous answers.}

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20 Jun 2013 20:22:52
Hi Eds. Interestin to read your thoughts at mo. Could you clear up who we are after plenty of press reports as would be. with the facts stated we ain't got stacks of dosh. What is budget as Brenden put would take a few windows to get where he wants tobe. {Ed002's Note - You need to read the posts - this has been done to death.}

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