Liverpool Banter Archive January 21 2012

 

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21 Jan 2012 23:29:40
Hi eds and fellow reds. Bad result today.

If we dont get CL this year will kenny lose his job? or will he have another season?
Whats your take ed?

Harley {Ed001's Note - his job is not based on whether we get top 4 or not.}

Why not ed considering the money hges spent {Ed001's Note - that is irrelevant, when you consider more was spent getting rid of the dross brought in by previous regimes than was spent on players in the summer. FSG know this is not a small job and will take time, they want top 4, but it is not the be all and end all. Have you no patience? What is it with people thinking we were going to have instant success? Even City, with unlimited funds took time to build up to where they are.}

Get behine our club andkk he was fuming after that match

 

 

21 Jan 2012 23:28:01
Downing had more assists in league last season than anbody,carroll was a beast of a player at newcastle nobody could handle him,adam was a dead ball speacialist who controlled games with fantastic passing range,now there rubbish,i dont think so,its down to tactics and confidence,why are all the players so low in themselves,kenny your tactics are so so wrong and players playing out of position etc,please step down were going downhill quickly,lets be honest anyone else and we be all screaming sack him now,nobody is bigger than liverpool he cant even motivate the players anymore,so so sad...irish kopite

You know the Everton song - "Kopites are gobs*ites" ?
The Real KB

 

 

21 Jan 2012 23:22:27
It's a question not a rumour but I was wondering why wouldn't Liverpool go in for diego perotti? He's a great young talent and he would be the perfect player? Sorry if this question is already answered or sounds stupid

Great site eds keep up the good work we all appreciate your time and macca's time! {Ed001's Note - I can see why the club were wary of moving for him, he is very inconsistent, sometimes great, sometimes awful. Then there is the question of whether he would adapt to the league etc. Though I would consider him myself.}

 

 

21 Jan 2012 23:42:28
LFC, took a strategic approach to sign mainly "young british players". From the outside looking in (non UK resident), I have to honestly say that, if that's some of the best British talent around, well then its a really sad state of affairs. Clearly these players are just not good enough, with over-inflated costs.
Stevie G and Jamie C must have cringed in embarassment tonight.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 23:20:45
Starting to feel very down about this season...I said to myself before today's game that if we failed to get a result against Bolton, we might as well write-off fourth spot, and based on the performance we simply don't deserve it. We were very poor, and that's not the only time we've played that badly this season. Poor performances across the team and bad tactical decisions are costing us on top of weakening self belief.

I'm starting to believe that the goal scorer everyone wants to see wont be appearing any time soon and we're quickly becoming an "upper-middle" team, a label which is very difficult to shift. Still, a good cup run or two should lift the spirits!

Sir Masher

 

 

21 Jan 2012 23:14:25
What I did notice today is how Ngog's beefed up, looks stronger and more capable of holding the ball, he looked like bamby on iice and fragile when he was with us.

Coincidentally, Carroll looked like a beast at Newcastle but now he looks gaunt, fragile and incapable of playing the holding role.

Is there any weight training equipment at Melwood or is it something we don't do? It has clearly helped Ronaldos and Nani's game.

Ozone

Totally agree said the same thing m8.
skurks

Oh my!!...you know we've hit rock bottom when we are pining for Ngogg...desperate times indeed!!

Ngog was f*****g WOEFUL last night, are people really so p****d off with our performance that they'll resort to saying Ngog looks better??

Red7.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 23:11:58
you could see in some of the players faces there frustrstion with charlie adam no pace cant tackle and in a 3 on 2 situation should have put maxi in but wasted it ,maxi didnt say anything just blanked him and walked off shaking his head . poor result today but will bounce back on wednesday

Adam was dreadfully poor today. He played as if his season ended a few weeks ago.

I would say you get what you pay for. But most midfield players in the EPL this week-end were better than him.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 23:08:32
Would trying to get a defensive mid in be wise? Or will Spearing do the job there till Lucas is back? It is just that with Charlie Adam in there in a 4-4-2 we might aswel forget it. Also Stevie G can't perform that role there any more, he has to be in a more attack minded role like when he played off Torres. I don't get why we thought Adam could play in that deep role in the first place, he was given a free role as an attacking mid for Blackpool so why could he be our Alonso? I agree he possesses a sweet left foot but without Lucas beside him he becomes redundant. Adam's season finished with Lucas'.
Also Glen Johnson has lost all his pace, surely we must cash in for him in the Summer?
However, I still don't feel we are that far off fourth as Chelsea and Arsenal have just as many problems as we do. Hopefully get a few fresh faces in, someone like Krasic possibly could be a real steal and maybe a striker like Sow and our season could be given a fresh impetus. I am convinced we will finish the season strong and definitely won't be far off 4th place. The people on here calling for Kenny to be sacked are delirious. Regards. The Gooch

Spot on gooch.

Ozone

Nicely put , The Gooch!

Agreed Adam is lost in our system, I want to support our players and do he's lost in this system

 

 

21 Jan 2012 23:07:43
watching the king,i think heads will roll,hes not a happy chappy,think we could do worse than buy dempsey,what a striker,

Why was Keane even considered on loan?

 

 

21 Jan 2012 23:06:50
I, for one, would love another home draw on Wednesday night !
Lol.
The Real KB

Liverpool will lost to Man City in Wednesday!

Believe me!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 23:06:20
Today's performance was bad enough but to hear John burridge say in the bar that we are going for dempsey that's even worse. We're liverpool FC and should be aiming lot higher than the likes of him

Dempsey is better than 90% of the players we have. If dempsey hears u comparing him to adam, downing n carrol, the poor lad may as well call it quits.
Indian Buzzer

 

 

21 Jan 2012 23:05:17
Was Bellamy winding you up?" Reo-Coker: "Craig Bellamy is Craig Bellamy. I've no respect for him. He can do what he wants to do."

what was all that about?

Liverpool played well

I think it goes back as far as the westham days

Bellamy and him had a spat years ago.
he was meant to of regarded reo coker like dyer but could'nt play footy or sumin?

Ask Alan Shearer

 

 

21 Jan 2012 23:02:33
Dont get me wrong kenny is a legend and always will be this is a fact. However he does not seem to be able to buy the right players we need and use them when we most need them. Andy carroll, yes a good player at newcstle but with good service, not at liverpool with downing on the left and gerrard injured, no service?

Without Suarez we lack creation and are once again beginning to rely on one player, this is not the liverpool way!

Kenny! we need a player to score goals, goals get us points and points get us a league position worthy of our standing.

No big names need to be dropped into the hat because the way we are playing anyone can improve on what we have got. You all know this is the truth everyone can see this.

At the end of the day Goals=Points Points=Success

 

 

21 Jan 2012 22:59:46
Gents,

Tonight our beloved Liverpool were terrible and to be honest we have been due that kind of beating! If we are not going to play to Carrolls strength they shouldnt play the lad. All you have to do is get the ball into the box early and get people in around him and we will score goals! The set pieces are rushed and lacking quality. I have seen better free kicks on a Sunday morning! We need two wingers, or at least stick Downing on the left and tell him to hog he touch line and get the bsll in early. Then we need a right winger. As for center midfield we are lacking quality, so I say either drop stevie deep and buy a quality attacking mid or play Stevie higher up and buy a quality DM. WE CANNOT WAIT FOR LUCAS TO RETURN!

The signings Iw ould go for right now would be Honda and Krasic. Krasic is just pure quality and goes past men for fun! As for Honda its a no brainer, he makes sense financially, but on top of that he has a wand of a left foot!

But I am stating this now, and will not repeat it or change my mind....Charlie Adam is not good enough. Was worth a put for £6mill but we need to get shot in the summer.

Would love to know everyones thoughts on the above?!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 22:56:18
We have had Andy Carroll now for over 12 months ?
The jury is out ?
Give him time ?
He needs better service ?
We are not playing to his strengths ?
Forget the fee ..... He is Shabite !!
I would take £10 m for him tonight ?
Not interested in the money we will be in much more trouble before we are ever skint again ?
We have as much. chance of getting 4th (4th as if that means something to our club) than Andy Carroll getting 20 goals this season
No more excuses

You my friend are a clown!! Can you explain to me how Carroll was unplayable for Newcastle but isnt performing for us....I could tell you but I think it is best for you to give us your opinion first!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 22:56:16
I have been following Liverpool for over 35 years and I went today to the Reebok. After the results today for Chelsea and Newcastle and the difficult match for Arsenal I was fully expecting a fired up Liverpool to get three points.

The performance was an absolute disgrace.When you put the red shirt on the minimum you expect is that you get 100% commitment. You expect that players wearing the shirt understand the wearing of this historic shirt.

Over the last number of years I have seen similar performances under Rafa, Hodgson, Houllier & Souness and everyone has made me feel sick. The 'training' pictures we see on the website with players laughing, flicking each other's ears is just propoganda its what you do on the pitch. Some serious questions need be asked.

We have not been able to beat Stoke (twice), Blackburn, Wigan, Sunderland, Fulham the list goes on. Do we honestly think Kenny is sending the players to perform below, no, but he will ultimately be responsible.

If team spirit is good then what's the problem. We can only assume that the players purchased are not good enough.

I don't think he is a top six player but I want Spearing back in the side following injury. I want Kelly back in the side. I want Carragher back in the side. Coady and Flanagan are 19 now so lets get one of them in. I would rather finish in the top ten but at least have players having a go.

Please Kenny make some changes for the City game I want passion.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 22:55:20
Andy Carroll did well with the only cross that went anywhere near him (from Gerrard, offside and header saved either way but looked good to me). Blaming him is ridiculous. I wish people would give up on the price tag. If you ask the lad, I don't think he asked for a 35 million tag, nor did he want to leave his hometown. He was sold against his wish at a ridiculous price that we paid. Then we told him to get skinny and score goals without having a chance to touch the ball. Not to mention asking him to stop partying. The poor lad is probably depressed! I could care less what people say on this site about Andy. Sell him to Man City, Man U, Tottenham or any other team that have quality wingers (and who don't have Adam in the midfield) and he'd be top of the league in goals, or close.

Today was painful, and I am sure both Manc teams are licking their lips. We could be in for a long week. Atleast against Man City wee Jay will be back, and we will have someone who isn't afraid to get his hands dirty in midfield. Also, I would even prefer Johnson off the field, and play 10 men then have him on it. He is useless. Really looked like he didn't care today. Passing was abominable. Luckily for us we've got Martin Kelly. Why don't you like him anymore Kenny?

My team for Man City:

Reina
Kelly Skrtel Agger Enrique
Downing Henderson Spearing Gerrard
Carroll

Bellamy off the bench. Shelvey, Adam, Coates, Doni, Maxi and Suso on the bench.

Coop

Andy actually did three good things today,
His assist to Bellamy goal, another good pass to Bellamy and then header you mentioned , then there is 6 dives / falling over his own shadow and thats his total contribution through out the 90 ..
Done very very well ..not
Roy

Trouble with Glen is with his contract, which has a clause in it that says, if fit he plays RB! Rightly or wrongly we will be RB, unless 'he' agrees to something else! Sad I know and why we will be looking for a new RB come the summer, as Kelly is thought upon as being injury prone! Eds have told us this on numerous occasions.

I do agree with your comments regarding big Andy and is why people keep saying he doesn't fit our style of playing! Did he not put in a transfer request to move to us though? Eds can you help there?

I'd rather see Downing left and Gerrard right for City, but wonder if we might go three at the back again!

Keith {Ed001's Note - Carroll was told by Newcastle that the club couldn't afford to reject our offer and asked to put in a transfer request so that they wouldn't have to pay him a loyalty bonus and to smooth the move through. Carroll certainly didn't force the move through, he was convinced he was doing the best thing for both the club and his career by making the move.}

Andy carroll is s**t mate you havnt a clue. Evryone knows it but not you, even dalglish knows it but he has to play him because there isnt anyone else ffs

Daniel hanwell

You have only got 10 men I dont think thAt will be enough

You are so confident of a result against citeh that you only feel the need to start with 10 players?!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 22:53:36
I think after the shocking performance against Bolton earlier tonight we need to realise: Carroll, Downing, Adam and Henderson were a big waste of money. These chumps don't deserve to wear the shirt. Please get rid of these average players please.

How much money wud we get back for these 4

 

 

21 Jan 2012 22:53:21
I absolutly hate saying this but Andy Carroll will in my opinion never cut it at Liverpool-movement poor,touch poor,positional play poor and physicaly weak.Never mind poor service as an excuse-the man cannot even win a header! Now Kenny has a real dilemma-offload and lose a lot of money or stick with him and risk losing his job.Hate to say this as I love the club and idolise the manager but with no Suarez we don't have any cutting edge up front.

Did Andy not flick the ball on for our goal?

Keith

 

 

21 Jan 2012 22:51:19
Dalglish was right to to be critical of the attitude today and that it wasnt good enough for that expected at the club!

There is dead wood at the club and its brilliant we are attracting talent for the future BUT we need the talent and consistancy now. As much as i hate to say it i would bite anyones hands off for

Darren bent or Carlos Tevez and Clint Dempsey!

Talent for the future?

Expand on this please...

UNITED_LEGENDS

If Carlos Tevez could leave his attitude and wage demands at Manchester, but bring his talent, i'd welcome him, but considerin he wants to be closer to his family or somewhere his family feel comfortable, i dont see it happenin to be fair

Carb

 

 

21 Jan 2012 22:47:09
Kenny this Kenny that, who actually signed these players ? Where is Director of Football Comolli ? surely he should be standing shoulder to shoulder with his management team !

Why? Charlie Comolli never did that at Tottenham.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 22:46:11
Finally. Dalglish has criticized the players for a crap performance again!
Let's see him now sign some long awaited quality attacking players otherwise we can kiss goodbye to top 8 let along top 4!
I have long defended Charlie Adam but he needs to be benched until he sorts himself out( always giving away unnessasery fouls)
Steve

 

 

21 Jan 2012 22:44:27
First of all, I'm not a blind dagliesh supporter, in that I would not continue to support him (despite the fact he is a legend) if I genuinely believed that he was not the man to take Liverpool forward.

Yes today was the low point of the season, and yes bar bellamy the team was awful, but lets put it in perspective its not the end of the world.

Heres a little secret for all you doom merchants, teams lose football matches!! On any given matchday ant eleven can beat any other eleven.

Dagliesh inherited perhaps the worse liverpool squad in the past 20 years, he motivated these distinctly average players and delivered a second half to the season which eclipsed all expectations of the first, or have you all forgotten?

Its not been great this season, I don't get to too many games, Ive only been to anfield twice this season and both times it was far from fantastic, but still I was at anfield so it was great. Remember how long it took fergie to build his squad, it doesn't happen overnight. I don't always understand or agree with Dagliesh's signings or tactics, but he's a world class manager with numerous honours to his name and I play football manager.

Lets get behind the team and thank our lucky stars that we have a man in charge who has excellent tactical nous, passion and more importantly a legacy at the club and a desire to continue and improve that legacy.

There are problems with the squad and lucas is sorely missed and perhaps we are light in this area, but who would have welcomed the signing of a DM at the start of the season, we would all have complained about that and shouted we need a winger. Kenny buys an established quality winger and goes through the biggest drought of his career. Football is unpredictable, this squad has, with some tweaks, the potential to win honours, I am confident that henderson, coates, shelvey and carroll will all progress into top class players. by 2014-2015 I predict all these players will be international regulars and then Kenny will seem like a genius.

Keep the faith ( and some perspective)

Andy

Dagliesh inherited perhaps the worse liverpool squad in the past 20 years

???

go to school first!!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 22:44:02
How do we know about David Texeira? You Eds' seem to think it's likely :s And would you think he'd be a good addition to our squad? I don't know much of him. {Ed001's Note - I really don't know a lot about him, I have been trying to make time to make some footage but haven't had much chance yet. What I have seen showed pace and a good first touch, but I haven't seen enough to really get much of an idea of him. How do we know? Because his club and his agent aren't as quiet about deals as Liverpool are.}

 

 

21 Jan 2012 22:40:55
ed do you think theres a young player at the current time thats got the potential to be as good as gerrard in his position. alot of names have been banded about such as goestze or erikson or do think gerards a one off
thanks in advance ed {Ed001's Note - that Messi lad might be close when he hits his peak......}

Messi can't touch gerrard

KingMiz

Gerrards a one off, there may be imitators, but there will never be another.

Carb

 

 

21 Jan 2012 22:28:30
After tonight's performance my stance on transfers has changed. I say we have enough players for the future, as I'm certain Carroll and Henderson will one day make it big. What we need is players around the age of 27 that are on the top of their game right now! We need instant effects to boost the team, and when these players start to fade we will have our next generation of Shelvey and Suso etc. ready to take their place! Let's see some action KD!
YNWA
77chris

 

 

21 Jan 2012 22:26:24
we should sign soldado, granero,luuk de jong and adam johnson

we should sell maxi, kuyt, adam, aurelio, johnson

our team should the be-
---------------Reina--------------
Kelly----Skrtel----Agger----Enrique
-------------Granero--------------
-Johnson-----Gerrard-----Suarez--
---------Soldado-De Jong---------

when fully fit-

-----------------Reina--------------
-Kelly----Skrtel----Agger----Enrique-
-----------Granero--Lucas----------
---Johnson----Gerrard----Suarez---
--------------Soldado--------------

We also have great young players coming through the ranks-

------------------Gulasci---------------
Flanagan-Wisdom-Wilson/coates-Robinson
------------------Coady----------------
-Sterling---------Shelvey---------Silva-
-------------Suso----------------------
-----------------Morgan----------------

that is all :).

You know nothing granero is an attacking CM so thAt is a position he would never play. Do some basic homework before posting rediculous teams like that. Its the jan window for christs sake!!

The southern red

Do they want to play for Liverpool?

 

 

21 Jan 2012 22:23:49
I can't believe we went with 4 in midfield; it just doesn't work with Adam in there; he's far too slow and it leaves us very exposed. This is not me being wise after the event, I said it earlier in the season when Lucas was playing. And tonight we did it with Gerrard who is coming back after a long injury and isn't the most defensive minded anyway. It also puts pressure on our defence, which has improved and is the best in the league with a centre midfield 3, so why change it? Bolton scoring 3, led by Ngog upfront!
If we're going with 4 across the middle, then Henderson has to be in there because of the mobility he gives us. Adam doesn't have that at all. It was also noticeable that the full backs just couldn't get forward either. Again, I don't think the system helped.
I don't believe we've got the players to play 4-4-2. No quality out wide and only one top class striker, so why try and fit the players into that system?
I think we did it to accomodate Carroll and to get Bellamy to help him out. Bellamy did his job but he way Carroll is playing, he doesn't deserve the change in formation.
Rigby.

We played 4-3-3

I agree, I thing thats why Kenny went with 3 at the back last week. He knows we need 5 in midfield so looked to get the fullbacks to dual role which the're not up to.

Sooty

We didn't play 4-3-3. It was 4-4-2, with Henderson on the right and Carroll and Bellamy up top. Then again, it was more like 3 in midfield because Maxi was non-existent.
Rigsby.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 22:20:16
*big sigh*
No Match of the Day again.
I just can't face more football.
Thank you to the person/s that invented Youtube !
The Real KB

Totally agree with you real kb tonight is the first time in a while iv missed match of the day nearly since last january just dont have the will to watch it after today hopefully next time its on ill be feeling a whole lot better due to a better performance/result
giblet

I haven't watched it for weeks giblet mate !
Lol.
The Real KB

 

 

21 Jan 2012 22:19:31
Ed's do you know if Honda, Sow and Krasic are all available for Liverpool to buy, and could you please recommend a decent ball winner who is also available, so i can include his name in my strongly worded letter to Commoli.

Cheers Ed's {Ed001's Note - all available to buy, yes, the question is are they good enough? While I rate Honda highly and think he would be a great buy, I trust that Commolli and Dalglish know far more than I do. As for a ball winner, I would look at someone like Medel (not the best but he is a beast in there and frightens opponents), he can provide the bite we desperately miss in midfield.}

Thats a great shout ed. Medel would be a good signing but there is probably no interest unfortunetly.

Danny

Hi Ed001,

Totally agree that Medal is a fantastic player but don't you think we need someone a little more short term?

Personally I am a massive fan of Diego Perez he is an absolute Monster, but I also have to say Jay has really surprised me this season, I thought he would be a good stop gap for 6 or 7 games but he really has come on leaps and bounds which why I would prefer someone like Perez to Medal, particularly with Lucas coming back next season. Just think it might send the wrong message to Jay and Coady.

Jatt YNWA {Ed001's Note - I have not seen Diego Perez play, so I can't comment on him, sorry. If it was just a stop gap, I would give Flanno a go as a holding midfielder myself. He does love to get stuck in.}

I've never heard of Medel, let alone seen him. But what a great name for a footballer.
The Real KB {Ed001's Note - he is a Chilean international, so well used to a quick, short passing game, but he is a bit of an animal, he is a lot like Jay Spearing, but quicker over the ground.}

 

 

21 Jan 2012 22:39:45
I've supported Liverpool since the promotion season of 1962 and tonight's game was definitely a landmark in Liverpool history.

I thought long and hard about posting tonight because I still feel traumatised by I what saw. I don't really want to say things in the heat of the moment that I will regret. However, I decided to do so, as I just need to get things off my chest, otherwise I don't think I'll be able to sleep tonight. That's how much it hurt. Will any of those who disgraced the shirt tonight have the same trouble? I doubt it.

I'll start by saying that I don't think we should be looking for knee jerk reactions by sacking Kenny and the staff. They deserve until the end of the season at least. This time next week those same under performers may even have redeemed themselves by making the Carling Cup Final and knocking Utd out of the F. A. Cup.

The hardest thing to take is to see our rivals drop points and give us a chance, which we then fail to take. When I was laughing at Chelsea earlier in the day I never thought we would be an even greater laughing stock later on.

Whilst I think Kenny deserves more time (I don't want us to suddenly become a sacking club like the Chavs), there were fundamental flaws in his rebuilding process. In 1987, he went British, which was logical, as foreign players were few and far between. Not only that, we were able to attract the best British players around. Barnes and Beardsley were top quality, the equivalent of us signing players of the standard of Rooney and Aguero now. Fast forward 20 years and British players are no longer the star players in the league and even the ones we can attract are not the best of British. So, that policy was never going to work this time around. Even playing in a country and a league that they are used to, they are still not good enough for Liverpool's level.

Secondly, we are signing players based on stats, in effect scouting players on a computer. Adam, Henderson and Dowling were all signed based on their stats. If anyone has read the biography of Geoff Twentyman 'Diary of a Liverpool scout', you will realise that Twentyman is the person we have never replaced. He could tell a good player by the way he ran, kicked the ball, passed the ball and then he delved into their character. Also, he knew the specific roles within the team and squad they would fill. Anyone can scout players looking at stats on a computer like Commoli but can he watch them in a game and identify the ones who will fit in to the teams playing style?

I've posted before about the lack of football brain within the squad we have now. Even in such an abysmal performance as tonight's there were at least 4 occasions when a square ball to an unmarked colleague would have presented a tap in. The vision and awareness is appalling for Premiership standard players. Just not good enough for Liverpool, I'm afraid.

I'm loathe to criticise Dalglish as he gave me so much enjoyment watching him as a player and, when he managed, his late 80's team was unbelievable. However, I don't go along with people saying that you are not a true supporter if you give your opinion. In early 1991, I was concerned about what Kenny was doing with the team. I felt he was signing players who were not Liverpool standard. He was changing our tactics to play against inferior teams. Eg, 3 centre backs to combat Sheringham and Cascarino at Millwall. Liverpool changing their tactics against Millwall - for God's sake! Echoes of the recent Stoke game. Some could argue that Kenny was ahead of his time. I say it destroyed the aura of invincibility we had at the time. Man Utd have had it for years, prior to this season, and teams were beaten before they stepped onto the pitch against them. We had that, or we did until they suddenly realised that Kenny was probably more worried about them. When you lose that aura it's hard to get back, which is why Utd are starting to struggle now, as they have lost it as well.

Anyway, at the time, Tommy Smith had a letters column in the Liverpool Echo. I wrote expressing my concerns and Tommy replied that I was talking crap and should go to Kenny's house to look at his medals. However, just over a month later Kenny resigned and we still haven't won the title to this day, so all Kenny's medals count for nothing and I wonder what Tommy Smith is thinking now. I now realise the effect that Hillsbrough was having on Kenny and was probably a bit harsh at the time, but it was only out of concern for what I could see was happening - and we were top of the league at the time!

If you are still reading at this point and haven't got bored yet, thanks for letting me get it off my chest. Hopefully I will feel much better in the morning. I still think the future is bright, as we have some young players of outstanding potential. I'm tempted to say it's almost a 'Watford' moment and that we should throw a few of them in now. They can't be any worse than what we saw tonight and we desperately need some young legs and pace in the team.

2 things before i sign off: Firstly, if you are still one of the few in any doubt about Lucas's quality and value to the team, tonight's game should finally convince you. He was missed so much tonight. Secondly, I'm not going to knock Carroll. Yes there are things he needs to improve but the service to him has been abysmal all season when he has even been picked. Collymore once complained that Liverpool signed him but had no idea how to get the best out of him. I think history is repeating irself with Carroll. Over to you Kenny, you signed him, get them playing to his strengths

redmersey

Good post mate.
kopfiend 1978 ynwa

Redmersey I totally agree mate. A post from the heart. I said when Kenny came back that he should have been given the caretaker role, I've no idea how they chose Hodgson over him.
He was definitely the first Liverpool manager to start picking his team based on the opposition and he did sign some poor players near the end of his first spell in charge.
The guy is a legend and it's sad to see us starting to stutter again. We have had bad luck with Lucas and Luis being out but we are still too thin on the ground.
Hope getting it off your chest helped mate and you get some sleep now. Starting to appreciate what it must be like to be an Evertonian and that's not good is it? ALB.

Well spoken!! Quality read based on fact a true supporter!!!

Bet you would love to have utds current aura which theyve lost and is thirteen points better off and a game in hand honest to god you couldnt make it up

Very good post, Redmersey.

It is human nature to seek comfort in the golden time in the past, and to hope to recreate it by turning to those who brought about those times.

Unfortunately, the world does not work like that.

The reality is, Napoli will not recapture the Serie A title by installing Maradona as manager. Everton will not win the EPL by installing Howard Kendall as manager. Moenchengladbach will not make the Champions League final again by installing Allan Simonsen as manager.

Will we recapture the past by installing our greatest player of the past as manager?

The second thing is that as we get older, we become more fearful and stubborn. Our team is playing like team that is scared, afraid to attack teams like Stoke and Bolton. Compare the way Bolton played today when they were ahead, to the way we play when we are ahead. And as you correctly point out, stubbornly buying Britishť because that was what we did in the glory days, will not help us today.

I believe Kenny was the right man to appoint last January. The club was a shambles, and we needed a unifying, stabilizing figure. Kenny is that figure. He should always be part of the club in some capacity, like Bobby Charlton at Man U or Baresi at AC Milan.

But the world has moved on from the 1980's, and we must move on, and look to the future, rather than seek comfort in the past. Nostalgia, stubbornness, and fear have to be banished if we want to reclaim our rightful place at the top.

Thanks for reading my post last night and helping me to get it off my chest. For the record, I did sleep ok. The bottle of wine and 3 bottles of lager may have helped but I'd like to credit you lot as well.

Last night I said I didn't want to say anything I'd regret in the heat of the moment. Having read my post back this morning, I think I'd like to change one thing - that is, Kenny and his staff should be given next season as well and see where we are then. It was never going to be an overnight process.

As for the Man Utd supporter poking his nose in on our private grief, if you think teams are scared of playing Man Utd any more then you are just kidding yourself. You have definitely lost that aura. I see similarities to us in 1991 and the cycle is to be reversed. Gerrard will win his league title, just like Brian Robson did at the tail end of his career and we will start piling up the league titles again while you lt continue to support the Glazers very extravagent lifestyle.

redmersey

 

 

21 Jan 2012 22:39:30
about time questions were asked on the 75m kenny spent on downing,carrol and henderson,3 ok players but mY god not one of them are worth anywhere near what you paid for them,i guarantee you this if Roy Hodgson had bought them you would be slating him for wasting your money....you all got what you wished for King Kenny back...as the saying goes be careful what you wish for...(if you were chairman of lfc would you give him another 75m judged on what he has bought)

 

 

21 Jan 2012 22:39:25
Suarze and lucas are big loss midfield was hopeless today nothin creative and no graft let runners from midfield run at our defense all day first two goals was down to no one trackin back no one on the post for 3rd next 6 look cruel hard KK talkin bout players can leave if they feel that sort of display is good enough ,i think he needs to show someone the door wake the mundane performers up we need him to be ruthless now not in summer still have some chance of 4th ,so need to p45 at least one plank red2toe

 

 

21 Jan 2012 22:35:57
hi eds and reds

i made this post a while back so read the the replies..has anything really changed since then

atlfc70


06 Nov 2011 00:13:16
Hi Ed's and Reds

does anyone think that this team is good enough (other
than the brainwashed KK brigade)to get C/L footie

atlfc70 {Ed001's Note - brainwashed KK brigade? That was a sad little statement, one that is absolute nonsense. It is not about being brainwashed or having faith, it is about having sense to see that it is far too early to judge whether or not KK is the answer to all our prayers. This is the time for the fans to back the team, not to bitch and whine and pick at everything.}

Ed001 - well said

Far too early to judge , apart from today which was poor to say the least we have been unlucky a little in a few matches , and as for any thing that needs worked on or new players to come into the team , a couple of players needing to improve etc kk has forgotten more than i will ever know about football , so we have to trust him through the tougher times , we all get a little down now and then , but a couple of good results will come...........lfc

And exactly how long before we start to show improvement? somebody, anybody please enlighten me because I haven't got a clue

SingRed

Ed that is the type of loser mentality that liverpool fans are startin to adopt recently and its not healthy. When is enough type to judge? 2 months? 4months? a season? By the time you have finished being "patient" and waiting for everything to gel we will have missed out on champions league, again.

All this "time" nonsense is the type of attitude you would expect at a small club. I can bank my life that abramovich is already thinkin about potentially gettin rid of avb already, he aint got time to sit around and watch a car crash in slow motion. Winners make changes and they make changes quickly. You can harp on about how ferguson waited years for his first trophy but its a different league now, we are not afforded the luxury of 5 years to build a team, its not realistic in 2011 mate.

Kenny is not working, the signings are not working, the system is not working...this is fact. Yes in time it may improve but it may not? Do you want to sit and wait until xmas when we are languishing in 14th place before you realise something is wrong? I cant take all this pc talk, we are lfc and after 10 games and after spending 100million pounds I expect more. Dont you?

I specifically remember the eds sayin to wait at least 10 games until we judge, well 10 games is up and i am judging. should we wait now until the new year? when do you suggest is an appropriate and fair time to judge this current team...?

All this small town small fish talk of we were unlucky and we've hit the post x amount of times and we have to wait for the team to blend together and give it til xmas...its a bit pathetic and is why pundits, fans of other teams and the media do not take us seriously. Fix up guys its not good enough.

Leo Idaho

He has the worst tactics he has wasted huge sums of money on a striker who could not hit a barn door. Managers are judged on results and the players they buy and kenny has failed in both respects. To me the championship has managers with more tactical knowledge.

As much as I love Kenny, I actually Love This Football Club more so I totally agree with this poster.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 22:35:16
i'm sick of sitting on the post. Tonight was a disgrace, were we just back from a xmas holiday?? No urgency, no pressure in the middle. Stat - Bolton have the worst home record in the football league and we shipped 3 against them. When are our under achieving players going to be held accountable

 

 

21 Jan 2012 22:34:26
Regardless of who comes in, I believe that the amount of money that's been spent we should be alot stronger than what we are. Kenny has come out and given an interview that I believe should have come alot earlier. All our players as class as they are individually just aren't playing that well collectively. WE as a club need them all to pull their fingers out nd step it up a level. Getting quite frustrated as I'm sure you all are but guess we've to hold our heads up high!

Mark Dubai Reds

 

 

21 Jan 2012 22:33:57
Shocking result and performance today, when youve spent the money we have over the last 12 months you would expect better reults then bolton, blackburn, wigan, stoke, fulham etc etc etc.

I guarantee if you gave 80% off managers the funds weve had and we would be fighting for survival never mind top four and champions league, where fortunate not to be in champions league as where not good enough.

In kenny i trust to the end but that comoli can take a running jump our signings have been poor with the excetion of suarez, enrique and bellers.

Sort it out kenny its about time agent comoli was evicted.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 22:33:32
Just a question for the edds about the stadium situation, is the news in the week regarding using the original plans difinatly true or was it just speculation. Heard nothing from the club. {Ed002's Note - Speculation right now.}

 

 

21 Jan 2012 22:33:08
Hopefully the performance against Bolton will encourage Kenny to bring in some new players this transfer window. Sadly I don't think we have much funds available to bring in top quality players at this time, and even if we did the players we want may not even be available.

In my opinion one of our main problems is the fact that our wingers (excluding bellamy) don't offer much of a goal threat. This is a serious problem considering bellamy can't play every game. This puts pressure on our striker (Carroll) to score and at this point in time its just not happening for him. This means that basically all our goals have to come from midfield and as a result of this we aren't scoring very many.

If we dont sign anyone this window I hope our defence can continue to play at a high standard as it has done for the majority of the season so far, because i honestly cant see us scoring more than 1 goal per match on a consistant basis with the players we have if they continue to underperform. However in saying this, I would not call for kenny to be sacked as some people on here have. I do not expect miracles and appreciate that bringing success back to LFC will take time, and i believe kenny can deliver this success in the near future.

CarrAgger

 

 

21 Jan 2012 22:32:39
Going to change your view on your squad yet kenny? We need class on wings and up top! Carroll 1 for the future . . . . My arse!! He is so bad its untrue! Could notcontrol a sand bag! Bye bye 4th and bye bye luis, pepe, and i would be grudge gerrard to a class european side to end his career on a high although i kno he wants to stay and end his career here! Charlie adam, stuart downing, andy carroll all waste of money, hold my hands out to young henderson tho, he has come on alot past 5 games! Get some quality in the squad asap kenny otherwise your ass will be grass when we dont make champs league, weather your the king or not!!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 22:16:35
ESPN Classic... Man City vs Liverpool 2008/09... Where has that battling instinct, grit and determination gone?

RedSG

Barcelona (Maschaerano), Real Madrid (Alonso/Arbeloa), Chelsea (Torres/Benayoun).

 

 

21 Jan 2012 22:12:21
Liverpool to sign falcao is the summer. Also another rumour coming from the squad is that andy carroll actually went to wolfsburg in the summer and left kyrgiakos in his place, make of it what you will.

Kop Bob

Hilarious post lol

I wish

 

 

21 Jan 2012 22:10:26
Is KK aiming for wembley glory to mask the problems in the league? We need a goalscorer now! Not in the summer. We also need to keep Suarez, without a goal machine he will go.... And who could blame him?

 

 

21 Jan 2012 22:07:46
kenny dalglish has said if players will face the chop after the bolton performaance and sky sports have now got darren bent 7/4 to join liverpool after todays defeat

ins
defoe/bent/sow/jelavic one of them
krasic
granero

 

 

21 Jan 2012 22:05:12
Too many fairweather supporters calling for Kenny's head on here. All hail when he return's and now after a poor run of form get rid of him. If that's how you like your football club run then go and support Chelski!
Kenny would step down if he believes he cannot do LFC and the fans justice. He was clearly shocked by todays shambles as his post match interviews have shown. He will turn the club around and make us great again but it was never, ever going to instantly happen straight away. Just have faith and believe in your club.
I don't know the transfer policy and who has the final say over transfers. I say this as i was a little suprised by Kenny's comments regarding the possible signing of J Texiera, when he said that's Academy business - you'll have to ask them (5live wednesday). Either he was being defensive or he doesn't actually sign or recommend the younger players. Which if true is a little disturbing as that means Comolli has more authority/power than i assumed.
What i'm trying to say is back Kenny, back the team and forget the fantasy transfers. We can all see that some players are struggling and we do miss Lucas, who had become the best defensive midfielder in the league, but we will get better and better. Have faith.

Are u stupid mate or u just living in ur own world where Liverpool are winning everything with cr@p players?

Andy Carroll isn't scoring and isnt likely to score any time soon, Adam is sh!te, Downing just as bad. Lucas is good but we can't even contemplate him playing cos he is going to be out for a whole.

I don't think should be sacked but I do think he is now just being stubborn over the crap players he bought.

He needs to take responsibility for that, thinking that young British talent will be able to compete with the other big teams who are made of players of all nationalities.

We need some creativity, pace and clinical finishing, something we are sorely lacking and u don't need to be involved in football to notice that, just a shame that KK isn't!

I'm not stupid at all, just realistic. The team has to evolve over time. Until yesterday i thought the back four have looked impressive and i expect Johnson to be sold in the summer and Kelly replace him. I'm hoping in the summer we sign an explosive winger, creative midfielder and a quality striker.
I fully expect Kuyt, Maxi, Aquilani, Cole and Aurelio sold. I also wouldn't be suprised if Carroll was sold too, he just doesn't fit into our style of play (comparison with Ibrahimovic and Barca).
Until the above are sold we cannot afford to pay the wages of the big signings we need but that should change in the summer. In the meantime i would like to see players like Suso given a chance as we do lack creativity and i agree with alot of your points. Henderson will be a fantastic player when given a more central role. Downing needs to gain confidence quickly but he is quality. Adam needs to settle down and stop trying too hard, too many Hollywood passes and clumsy fouls. He played well earlier in the season when covered by Lucas - we do miss him.
Have faith, come August 2012 the team will be far better than the team of January 2011.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 21:57:03
Calls for KK's head are expected after a result like that, whether they're warranted or not is up for debate.

The players let him down today. That starting line-up should have had more than enough to beat a Bolton team who had only won 1 home game all season.

I will watch MOTD to see how woeful we were.

RedSG

Agree the players let him down today

No way. its his job to prepare them

 

 

21 Jan 2012 21:57:02
i would like to know your opineon of jordan rhodes ed. i live in huddersfield and i go to watch them sometimes and he reminds me of a young micheal owen i know town will not sell in january but i think in the summer we should definently try to sign him. {Ed001's Note - not good enough for me, he lacks the technical ability to be a top class player. For me is at the level of a Kevin Doyle, a decent player, too good for the Championship, but not really good enough for the Prem.}

That is a good response Ed I think that is spot on

Pardoe

Surely he must be better than carrol, ed? I wud swap rhodes anyday for donkey carrol.
Indian Buzzer

 

 

21 Jan 2012 21:55:25
After that disgraceful performance at Bolton, , surely should kenny swallow his pride and buy some quality signings... I loved kenny for Liverpool last year for helping them climb the table but some of his signings has been dreadful especially at bolton most of them did not look bothered to be play... Kenny needs to act now or this season may look ugly.

If it was your club would you put another 100m into the managers pocket? Seriously try and get past the fact you support Liverpool would you actually put real money in? Bear in mind you have already spent whatever it is and Dalgleish is definately no better than Hodgson even after the money he has spent

Pardoe

 

 

21 Jan 2012 21:54:00
If Liverpool do get fourth or win a trophy then not one of you 'fans' deserve to celebrate.
Ernest Redding

Mate, u r obviously deluded! Our main priority is getting into the top 4 so that we can get into the champions league, as it is very lucrative for the club.

Winning the mickey mouse cup is not a priority, more a bonus but what's the benefit of winning that? Playing in the channel 5 cup? Come on, be serious!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 21:43:11
please accept it there is not much Back up in the team. Liverpool don't have a proper Back up of Suarez and Lucas. its a Mistake before Suarez suspension accepted you must stand by a striker who can broke opposition defense. and its 3rd week of the Transfer window so far still the management confuse who will they buy? or did they really buy ? that what happening last 1 year CONFUSE to take decision. we buy Carroll £35m that was a mistake. Carroll is not in form . why have to play him just because you buy him for £35m ? that a mistake too . and 2 mistake not make a things right. when stone dropping on your head and you close your eye and say its may not dropping then its your mistake.

R-R

What?

 

 

21 Jan 2012 21:38:36
Do people moaning actually remember when we played boring 1 - 1 draws under rafa with his sometimes crazy rotations and subs. The hodgson era was unbelievable poor football. Kenny needs time to get this admittedly average side to produce on a regular basis. We still gave some very good players and prospects at the club so just do your job and support and let the excellent team of daglish, comolli, Clarke and Kean do their job!

Excuse me rafa brought us to the promised land do not disrespect him

I also vaguely remembering us thrashing the likes of Real and Man U under Rafa with far less support from owners than Kenny has been given.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 21:38:31
ED001 or any other Liverpool Eds out there, what's your taken on the game? We all have heard what the fans have got to say. Personally, the only positive to come out of 'that', for a lack of better word is that Kenny giving a stark warning to the players to sharpen up I think!

AG {Ed001's Note - it was a poor performance, no getting away from that, only Bellamy turned up today. We missed someone to provide fight in the midfield, which Gerrard should have done, but he was posted missing. Adam is not capable of providing it, Henderson is a workhorse, not a battler and Maxi, well Maxi did what he always does in games that we don't dominate. He vanished and made the wrong runs into the wrong areas and failed to provide anything for the team defensively. Bellamy and Carroll did some good work but got no service whatsoever. Enrique was hustled into mistake after mistake and Johnson was just appalling, the worst performance I have seen him give. Agger, Skrtel and Reina were constantly exposed by the fullbacks and had a torrid time. The worst of it was that our subs were not able to bring anything to the game, though personally I would have liked to see Shelvey given a chance to help matters. The best thing I can say is that the team has to play better next time, it should act as a wake up call to the players. But these things do happen, you can't play well every week and when you have a team low on confidence a bad start can lead to a terrible performance. Dalglish and his coaches need time, the club took years to fall so far and it will take years to recover. We missed a battler in midfield, Lucas and Spearing, they are sadly missed.}

Thanks for the reply Ed001. The point you make about we missing Lucas/Spearing is spot on. The first two goals proves it. The first time Adam and Gerrard played as part of a 2 man midfield was I think against Norwich, I posted after the game about tactically poor defensive position from them both. We could get away with it when playing against teams at Anfield who just come to 'park the bus', but away it would be risky, especially with Adam looking empty! Thanks again for the reply btw. Lets hope this gives thema right ol' kick up their a*se for the semi against Man City!

AG {Ed001's Note - Adam needs to play with freedom to get the best out of him, Gerrard is exactly the same, as is Henderson. I can see why it was thought to be a risk worth taking against a Bolton team that could have been short on confidence, but it just didn't work. Unfortunately we still don't have many options in midfield, just kids who aren't really ready. But then it takes time to build a squad to win trophies when you have the starting position we had.}

Spot on ed the club staff and players do need time,when GĂ©rard Houllier got apointed we were in a bad way like when kenny took over.mangers make mistakes,but today was shocking.every1 has the right to be disapointed.we all wonted kenny as manager so lets give him a chance.we all know what we need to do.things dont happen over night in football

ste liverpool

 

 

21 Jan 2012 21:34:50
jesus min wish people would get off big andys case he aint only player in team!should you forget that!i thought he did well today but how do you score if you get no service by miracles wake up red fans he aint the prob look higher up yet again wrong tatics and wrong players we play like tis and the mancs both will have a mad time!but seriously i think the leg no up for job am sorry were missing so much!and for all your andy knockers have a look at adam and am from scotland and seem him at close up ok in small team but out his depth at pool

The trouble is its easy to blame the striker for not getting the goals, whether he is anygood or not one thing is obvious Liverpool do not play to his strengths... He's a big bloke he should be a huge handful if the ball is in the right place. Now Liverpool have always played a certain style of football. Not being a fan myself I do remember Toshack and Keegan and their brilliance but not for a long time have you played how you did then. You need to cross the ball in you don't do it no matter how you blame him he needs crosses until that happens he will get all the blame

Pardoe

 

 

21 Jan 2012 21:53:21
After the.bolton debacle it obvious we don't need anyone ...our squad is fine....wake up kd we need at least 100-200 m of investment to compete at the top

 

 

21 Jan 2012 21:51:23
KK has to swallow his pride in the summer and admit he signed the wrong players and get rid of them along with others..

Carroll, Downing, Kuyt, Maxi & Johnson should be shown the door this summer, take the bitter bill sell them for what we can and cut our losses. Buy 5 to 6 continental players of real quality and promote from the reserves/academy, give sterling, morgan, wisdom, coady etc a chance in the first team because at least they will have HUNGER and will play for the shirt. Time to get the overpaid underperforming sods out of our club, its been happening for far too long.

Hmm i would of agreed with you if you included charlie adam.RedTurk

Yeah, adam has been terrible. He is very lucky to have actually gotten to wear the liverpool shirt in the first place.
Indian Buzzer

 

 

21 Jan 2012 21:51:22
That was by far the worst lacklustre performance I have ever witnessed by a Liverpool team. Not a single threat going forwards. Out best goal threat was from Daniel Agger. That performance was dreadful at best! Nsomeyhing needs to happen, and quick.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 21:46:17
Hi guys, if it's true that jhonsons contract demands he plays at right back when fit he is heading for a fall, he is one of the worst defenders in the prem and I don't think his forward play compensates enough, there is a good chance he will find himself behind Richards and walker possibly at international level, upshot is I think Kelly should be starting at right back and jhonson should be a bit more versatile

Mo

 

 

21 Jan 2012 21:45:44
Lol yes I'm laughing because if I don't I'm going to cry I'm bl@@dy tired of what we are becoming we missed the boat in the summer to kick on with proper world class players with speed and quickness of thought whilst on the ball,some fellow fan commented on my previous comment a couple of days ago about FSG not being happy with kenny and not trusting him with money and they will ask him to step down so they get no reprisals and the comment was how would I know have I got FSG ear my answer is after another performance like that it's common sense if it was your business would you give kenny more money, but like I said it's a no win situation for FSG give him no money and deffo say goodbye to 4th,so do I want kenny gone that's a toughy because kenny deserve respect for what he's done,I will leave with what kenny says no one is bigger than the club cheers Pk

I'm sorry but how could you get top quality players with no european games and a mid table team.

At least your owners stumped up a shedload of money not their fault you bought crap

Pardoe

 

 

21 Jan 2012 21:52:34
Martion o Nil the man who have good eye to bring young talent. milner , Barry, Young, Downing all is his found. and look at Sunderland . after he is in charge the team is Rocking.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 21:25:02
There is only one thing that lfc should do get rid of KD. He is useless has never done anything great as a manager. He is going to get lfc no way.All excuses no delivery. He played well for lfc thats all he did. Its time people get after him before he take lfc the same way benitez did. Sign rubbish and blame refs and chance that are not taken.

3x league titles
2x FA cups
1x premier league title

Kenny Dalglish in 4 seasons in charge of Liverpool won:

3 League titles
2 FA cups
2 Charity Shields

So go spout your bulls**t elsewhere, you absolute tool.

Jatt YNWA

No name, no mark. Says it all.
Embarrassing post.
He did the greatest thing a manager could ever do 21 years ago and it nearly broke him.

Dirks Engine Room

I'm so glad you pointed out that he's never done anything great as a manager. I dreamt he won us the title three times and two FA cups and gave Liverpool it's greatest ever team, but thanks for pointing out it was just a silly dream.

Anyone could have managed Bob's team. Not so sure Newcastle and Celtic prospered so well under his management. Blackburn bought the title, he doesn't have that money now {Ed001's Note - rubbish, he changed the team and playing style completely, that took guts. Anyone could have left things how they were and kept on going, but you seem to have forgotten Uncle Joe Fagan came in after Sir Bob, not Kenny.}

I agree a as focal icon for the club he rescued us in our darkest hour. We should be eternally greatful to him, he's just not a fantastic manager. Joe did follow Bob but wasn't he even more successful? The point remains the same, Kenny has not created a successful team, only inherited them.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 21:22:16
Did everyone say "Keep the faith" when Benitez was at the helm and had ONE poor season?

The truth is this:

Rafa made around 30% bad signings. Yet people always make a point of it while berating him.

Rafa gets stick for playing "Negative" tactics, yet we battered ALL the top teams (Europe included), Utd, Chelsea, City, Spurs, Arsenal, Inter, Juve, Milan, Madrid and Barca. He beat them ALL and more! Yet we called for his head. Didn't say "Keep the faith" then did we?

Same with Roy.

But Roy truly started the sinking ship by buying mediocrity, and Kenny hasn't helped by his purchases either, in fact I fear he's completing the transformation between us being a top team to a mid table team.

And no disrespect, he's a legend and i'm not calling for his head, I just want to point out the hypocricy of the fans who say things like "Go support City", "Fickle fans" and such. It's appalling! Especially to tell people not to support our beloved club.

Everyone has and is entitled to thier opinion, if you don't like it TOUGH!

Why do people resent and/or disrespect what Benitez achieved for us and was building for us? Look at the academy!

I hope KK can see us through the season without walking or being sacked, but I feel the Carling Cup is the only thing that can save him if we don't get CL,which looks less likely by the game.

Our performance was embarrassing tody.

Chipkin9 (EIRE)

Rafa signed around 75 players

5 of them were good the rest were rubbish

Do the maths

I dont want Rafa back - he had his chance!
But i'd give my Action Man's right arm to know what he thinks of our new signings since Kenny came back & what he'd do to turn things around (who he'd sign & sell).
Cheers.

You're right there Chipkin9.
But sacking Kenny and a 4th manager in as many years would do absolutely NO good at all.
The Real KB

Actually as a Man Utd supporter I would give my right nut for you to take rafa back when dogleish bottles it and walks away.

Pardoe

I hope dalglish walks away. He shudnt have been appointed permanently in the first place.
Indian Buzzer

 

 

21 Jan 2012 21:27:55
Obviously, Carroll is at the centre of debate tonight. Now, I have supported Carroll for all of his LFC career and I will continue to support him until the day he leaves/retires. I think that the potential is there (we seen what he can do at Newcastle), but unfortunately he will never reach that potential with Liverpool.

Its a shame, as he could have been a great player for us as well. But the desire just isn't there. If I was Kenny now, I would try to get £15m for him to cut our losses and try to just put it all behind us.

Cheers, Conor

How about he doesn't have any potential he just had a purple patch (and not a very long one at that) at Newcastle

Chris in Tamworth

Chris,
You may or may not be right. I wonder what the other players think ?
It could have been a reaction to the poor performance, but tonight I thought I saw the first signs of discourse amongst the players with Carroll.
If it was, that is very worrying.
The Real KB

Can I ask why is Carroll the centre of debate after that performance? Considering Adam, Maxi, Gerrard, Johnson, Enrique, Skrtel, Agger were all worse. I would've thought that an assisst was far more of a contribution tonight than any one else on the pitch bar Bellamy. Silly me, I must be mistaken!
KiwiRed

 

 

21 Jan 2012 21:19:11
Sort it out you idiots y is everyone saying kenny out , he has made 2 bad signings caroll and Adam . Hendo enriqe downing and suarez have Been gd deals in my opinion if u wanna blame anyone for today's game then blame the players no passion no desire no intent bar a few of em, get off kennys back use should be ashamed to call yourself Liverpool fans

Totally agree. Ltp the red

 

 

21 Jan 2012 21:12:47
Clint Dempsey 2011/12 = Fernando Torres 2007/08???

 

 

21 Jan 2012 21:14:52
Rumour mill to go into overdrive after kennys comments! Thought Carroll was better in first half, service still poor but need another striker! Players have to have a serious look at themselves after that performance! Few of the younger lads to be given a chance add extra spark to the team!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 21:14:25
Absolutley shocking. All this stuff about £35 million , forget the money hes shown all season and more so today he is the WORST PLAYER not just striker in the league and that aint a joke. I watch every game and go to as many as i can and why is a player that cant control the ball, cant pass the ball, has no strength is not great in the air like everyone thinks because hes 6ft odd and cant run playing at this club?
Im 29 and supported liverpool all my life and ive seen many bad players come and go like most of you will have done but seriously i cant think of anyone whos footballing abilities are worse.
In my opinion he was playing against the worst cb in the prem today in zat knight and still had a shocker, at one stage late on knight even outpaced him.
How is it that me and so many other honest true lfc fans can see this but he still plays? I would rather play a reserve/academy player up front than watch any more of his dire performances.
The best thing carroll has done for the team is play so badly that hes taken the attention away from other total failures, i mean if he werent there wed be having a go at downing/henderson/adam because their not lfc players their middle of the table players but carroll makes them look better. None of these 3 have done anything that when youre watching you say to yourself oh that was class .
Im not saying we should av signed ozil ronaldo messi etc etc but for the money weve spent we have to be getting more!
If i hear this fsg policy crap again lol how can spending 20 mil on downing be any sort of policy ? He aint gonna repay that on the pitch or in shirt sales and come on if we sell him are we gonna get that back? Same goes for henderson not so much for adam as 7 mil isnt as much of a gamble. Someone needs to grow some b******s and get rid of carroll even for 10 mil and theres defo plenty around for that money. Dempsey being an example( not just because of his hattrick but all round play for a long while now ) now he aint a player id say lets sign but if we could do a straight swap i think wed of had a right touch and thats just 1 player.
Todays game nobody played well the back four were left exposed too often and we couldnt get our football going, even when we did it gets to around 30 yards out and fizzle out.
Now before i get slagged off for what ive said ill support the team whatever happens but i think its obvious whats wrong and that some players just aint up to it.
Id also like to say how proud i am of all liverpool fans for getting the petition well over the 100000 mark! Im not sure how many other clubs could have got that rolling like that?
Sorry for the moaning but im so frustration from that performance!
YNWA

@kop_bailey

Frustrated*

@kop_bailey

"Today's game nobody played well".

Dirks Engine Room

Maybe you just hate Carroll because you're jealous of his long, luscious hair?

He played well today, he put in a good shift and got an assist. The overall match wasn't good, but Carroll played well. Move onto the anti-Downing side of things for a bit, or Henderson, or Adam, or Enrique? Any of the new signings, not just Carroll they all deserve your thought and attention...

Alex

I dont agree with some of your comments.

Whilst Caroll cost £35m, you can only blame Comolli and Kenny for spending that much on a player who had a long term injury. However, now that he is here we need to ensure the formation and personnel are conducive of getting the best out of him. You talk about the fact that he isnt scoring goals or cant control the ball, but i put this down to confidence. Did you miss the three quality passes he made in the first half, one of which put bellamy through to score? Caroll will never be the player to take on players and score goals. He needs QUALITY service from the wide men. Note, lets not forget Crouch went a long time before he scored his first goal and once he did he didnt do too bad. Lets give Caroll a chance and be fair in his criticism.

Re. Charlie Adam, he played well at the start of the season but he isnt a defensive midfielder. If we are looking for him to do the 'Lucas' role, we are making a big mistake because he is tactically naive. He is an attacking/creative midfielder.

I agree with your comments on Downing. I dont ever see him being a top player because i dont think he is mentally strong enough, his performances for Enland have shown that.

Henderson has a lot of potential and will come good in the following seasons.

I personnally think there are some key reasons why we arent doing well as follows:

a) kenny keeps changing formations which doesnt give any consistency
b) we miss lucas and need a replacement asap
c) we lack genuine pace in the team to get behind opposition defences. For me kuyt and maxi have had their delay.

Carrol is playing for a middle of the table team, whats your point?

Pardoe

Na im actually pissed because my mum fancies him lol. Joking aside all 4 arent good enough with enrique being good most of the time but carroll is the one playing up front the one that would get the glory if he scored and played well so he can take the s**t thrown at him for not one but gama after game of bad performances. I dont want someone to just "put in a good shift" if we want that maybe we should sign mo farah and paula radcliffe theyve got great stamina.
Youve got to be able to control the ball and lay it off or be able to stay on ur feet just simple things. Its quite funny how people are trying to protect him

@kop_bailey

Fair enough not agreeing not everyone will but crosses aint the problem how can we go in to that game thinking thats the way were gonna undo bolton come on it aint like their playing zola and cottee at the back is it? He should av been on the bench and tried more incisive football. Normally we see bellars and maxi link well but with andy up front it breaks down too much. Stevies reaction to andys attempted return pass late on says it all even hes frustrated with it

@kop_bailey

 

 

21 Jan 2012 21:14:18
Heard KK laying the law to his player today. I reckon his warning was directed to Downing, Johnson, Adam, Maxi and Carroll though Carroll tried his best (that's all he can do). Their performance was so abject, so disinterested that they should not receive their wage this week. What a shameful performance. KK needs to throw the book at some of these players. If they're only interested in their hairstyle, bank account they've no place at LFC.

He says play for the shirt then why not manage for the shirt conduct transfers better for the shirt. You can blame many areas but simple fact is Kenny has failed bigtime TOTALLY INEPT!

We let Cole go on Loan. I don't find any good in Downing £20m. all of the player just watch each other. that's a poor defacing of corner. when u 2-1 down u must be more careful, how can no one in 1st bar when corner is taken ? 22 game only score 25 Goal ? city score 57 and man utd 52 . still we agree we no need striker ?

To be fair to Downing, he got a massive slap on the back from KK and then was dropped to the Bench until the 64th minute.
KernowRed

 

 

21 Jan 2012 21:14:06
hi did anyone see the liverpool channel tonight? i was on talking about andy carrol and both of the legends agreed with what i said :) ... Rob from bootle was my name! so pi**ed off because its really not carrols fault an if your a true supporter u will see this! the manager should be held responsible for it, because johnson an enrique wasnt allowed to go forward tonight for some reason and henderson kept covering johnson when he went forward? so why not johnson on the wing an kelly rb??? our team do not play to his stregnths and dont get me wrong if he was missing chance after chance like suarez does i would be questioning him but he dosent even get chances? suarez will be out a total of 9 games so why dont we play to carrols stregnths? bellamy an downing on the wings with the two of them crossing balls in? worked with crouch? an in my opinion carrol is stronger in the air! maybe not as skillful with his feet but deffinatley stronger in the air! so to be fair its dalglish who tells the players what to do and we cant play down the middle like we used 2 because we dont have torres or suarez at the min? remember a wise man once said that football is an simple game made complicated by managers! in that nutshell suarez out for 9 games! an carrol up front on his own should be played to his stregnths! we have the team for it because we do not like pace at all? bellamy can play rw( an considering he is naturally right footed it would work) an downing in his natural position as Lw( which we havent seen nothing of this since he came to liverpool?? but when he plays for england thats how hes used!) sorry but suarez out for nine games lets play to andys stregnths! and for anyone that wants to say im full of it!! st john an david johnson both agreed with me fully .... :) thankyou and good night :)

Bootle rob

I think the players realise carroll cant control the ball or stay on his feet and so become wary of crossing the ball at every opportunity

@kop_bailey

To be fair m8 you obviously dont have a clue what your talking about? so you would prefare us to play the way we did tonight? or downing an bellamy on the wings with the full backs doing the same? gerrard said the same thing on his first game bk against newcastle! we need to start putting the ball in to the big man!!

Bootle rob

So you dont think we could av played bellamy up front and stevie in behind against wheater and knight instead bellars left and stevie too deep is what we got

@kop_bailey

You make a good point kop_bailey.
At some point, the team's confidence in Andy Carroll is gonna go (if it hasn't already).
If that happens / has happened, that would have to be the point when he goes.
And that's up to Kenny & SC to spot and recognise.
The Real KB

This aint sunday league mate long balls and aimless crossing how about lets get the ball on the deck and play its simple? We were playing aginst 2 really slow but really tall cbs, Knights gotta be 6ft 7 or so and youre saying throw the ball in the box, it aint that hard is it to realise oh hold on carroll aint gonna av much joy is he. You make me laugh you think cos youve phoned the show you know it all and i aint got a clue. Like those two are gonna openly slag off one of our players on live tv. Seriously if you think its all about crossing the ball thats quite funny
But anyway you dont know me and i dont know you so we dont know how knowledgable we both are
You like crossing the ball i like playing the ball on the floor
We should av left carroll out and played a totally different game, maybe one day ill phone the show and then i might know what im talking about

@kop_bailey

This aint about whos right and whos wrong but whats right for lfc and playing carroll up front aint right for lfc. Watch the game again and when stevie gives carroll the ball and the return is hopeless stevies face sums it all up

@kop_bailey

Your points r bang on bailey in your posts. As 4 the petition we r the best supporters in the wrld bar NONE ! YNWA kenny buy a striker for f**k sake. Can u not c the need 4 1 ? We will b back !!
Born a red, die a red.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 21:07:47
Edds.

i want this posted on the rumour page please, firstly Kenny is king no doubt but if Roy H was still in charge would the fans be so supportive! who picks the players to be signed? is it Camolli! we seem to be so slow in the transfer market seems like R Parry is back in charge of transfer funds, i love Kenny more than or as much as the next supporter so this is not a dig. am i right in thinking new signings are not going to happen as within a year maybe two with the strength coming from the reserves spending now doesn't make sense just simply survival then we will be a force with our "homegrown" players, i would go for Hoolahan for CM Hoilett for the wing and a new striker towards the 30ish mark for the experience. sorry for the rant just really shocked at the defeat today. come on boys you can do it.

Andy R

 

 

21 Jan 2012 21:05:32
The televisual offering that was served up disguising itself as football earlier was very painful on the eyes. No matter though I will continue supporting

 

 

21 Jan 2012 21:00:27
All of us should be able to give our honest opinion without fear of ridicule or accusations of not being a true supporter . To blindly follow our team over the cliff and not voice our concerns makes Lemmings of us all . Admit it guys something needs to change sharpish .

Mark.

I 100% agree mate!
Finally some sense!
Post of the decade!!!!
But, the blind will continue to follow!

Why do people have to pick a side?

It's only because we care, I'd challenge any 'true supporter' with 50 season tickets to defend that shambollic performance we all witnessed today, we need a spark from somewhere coz it's all looking a little flat and negative.

Exactly! people always slate me for not towing the line and just saying kenny is wonderful every five minutes...
i love my club! 1 man is not bigger than the club! and if i feel that a man in charge who thinks its ok to pay 35mil for carroll is a mental case then i will voice my opinion!

peter

Oh ok so how much of that 35mil was yours? Im so sorry for your investment, truly I am. How much did you lose? 5 mil? No. 1 mil? No. 100 thou? No. Even 20 quid? No! Get a grip and get a life mate! You lost nothing so why do you care? He could've cost 5 pound and it wouldnt make any difference to your wallet.
KiwiRed

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:56:46
I actually thought Carroll had a half decent first half and showed signs of potential, it's a shame he went Sunday league pedestrian second half.

Kenny should've took Adam off after half hour and replaced him with Spearing. Boltons goals come from poor balance in midfield.

Nonetheless, it still remains work in progress but we may as well forget about champions league. This time next week, we'll either be in the league cup final and looking at a run in fa cup or potential out of all competitions and 7th or 8th in the league. Fellow reds, remember how many years it took whiskey nose to get things right at it'd!

Ed, surely this rumour regarding some of the terms of Johnsons contract can't be true but I'm starting to wonder as I cannot for the life of me understand how Johnson is keeping Martin Kelly out of the team.

Ozone

Agree with you there Ozone.
The Real KB

I might be wrong Ozone, but I don't think Spearing was on the bench, but if fit, I would play him ahead of Adam on Wednesday.

Jimbo.

Spearing is recovering from injury and wasn't selected for the squad mate. But yeah, I agree with you.

AG

Are you drunk bring spearing on . he is injured

Yes I have had a few and didn't realise Spearing wasn't on the bench.

Bad day at the office then chaps, it merely demonstrates our lack of holding midfield resources. What's Kenny supposed to do?

Ozone

It does your head in doesn't it ?
Do we now need cover for Jay Spearing ?
The Real KB

Maybe he should've started with either Shelvey or carrager before Adam the real kb mate. Adam certainly isn't up to that job and it's clear since Lucas has been out how he was benefitting Adams game. I do rate Adam and think he's a good squad player but he needs to play in a pairing where his partner does the donkey work allowing him more time on the ball. He struggles when things are tight in the middle.

Ozone

It's ironic though isn't it ?
We played a loaded midfield last week and everyone on here ripped Kenny to pieces. Then he goes 4-4-2 against the bottom side, and they tear us up, and everyone has Kenny for that too. Lol.
The Real KB

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:56:04
Get rid of Dalglish, adam, kuyt, maxi,johnson, carroll and start again tonights game with Bolton was absolutely diabolical.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:55:18
First of all Kenny will not be sacked...just wait for the end of the season we'll be alright, and anyway why would we want rafa back, he got sacked because we effed up that season, if kenny were to leave there's only one person I would want Guus Hidiink

I want Dalglish to stay but if FSG sacked him i would like Johan Cruyff or Hiddink.

Tom.

Mourinho! i dont care if i watch 1 nils and shut up shop every week as long as we win the f'n league soon or am gona crack up!

peter

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:55:17
I'm sorry, but based on recent performances I really can't see anyone wanting to join us, we haven't performed since the Chelsea game back in November, when we have been winning, its scraping wins, and dropping points against teams like Bolton, Stoke, Blackburn, Wigan etc ... is shocking for a team meant to be looking at Champions League football , we'll be lucky to finish 7th the way we are playing ...

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:53:13
Guys remember me from last week??
Well i'm p***ed off again!! I actually feel sorry for Carroll!! he gets no service!! Enrique never crosses the ball, yet at Newcastle he could not do it enough!!

We dont need a striker we need a right winger!

Reply!
Eds your feedback is wanted!!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:50:24
I still cant believe we spent 80million on the worst british talent on the premier league. What a f*****g waste of money. Very disapointment with our performance and tactics. Still thinking who saw any talent on carrol, adam and henderson. I may not no anything about the beautifull game but these three are a disgrase to our club! i Still try and convince myself but the same answer pops back, they are CRAP!!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:49:01
Looked like they'd spent all afternoon before the match in the pub. They only positive was Bolton only put 3 past them. RED LENIN

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:47:50
Red Turd, change the record and look for positives once in a while. You are a disgrace always posting negative tripe, yes we played badly but it happens. I'm gutted today but aren't slagging Carroll off for the sale of it behind my keyboard. You know fack all about football, where we have come from and what we are trying to achieve. Post somewhere else you boring prat.
Ultra red

Ultra red i dont know anything about football? because i say the truth, truth hurts i know. You want everyone to think your way, its not happening mate. I respect kenny but i won't follow blindly. By the way you are the twit around here.RedTurk

To say someone knows nothing about football for slagging off Carroll shows you cant be watching the games!
My little boys 4 and he can control and pass the ball better than him.
Everyones allowed their opinion and if we did a vote im pretty sure carroll would be voted out
@kop_bailey

Agree with red Turk' What posotives were there today. None. Andy carrol had a good First half get a grip he's a disgrace an utter shambles. Get shut ASAP. Ltp the red

I was dreading the response to the game
tonight, there are to many pessimistic so-called fans with knee jerk reactions, ie
sack Dalglish get Rafa back, Really?. probably these are the same fans who were screaming for Benitez to be sacked,
ok tonights game was bad, but are we going to keep sacking managers and become another Chelsea, every one wants instant success, sorry but thats not going to happen, and for all the posters who want Dalglish sacked have some balls and put a name to your rants
and by the way i'm not a lemming, just someone who sees the bigger picture,
Good post Ultra Red

Deano95

Good one red turk.....irish kopitie

You should put up and go for management then. You offer Nothing positive hence my posts towards you. Throughout the game you were consistently having a go and mocking the team / players, which is easy to do behind your keyboard.
Say something positive for a chane or maybe post when we win and I'll be your mate again.
Ultra red

Plz can anyone enlighten me on the psoitives of the bolton game? Coz all i saw was negatives frm top to bottom. My college team wud have put up a better performance, n the standard of football in India is pretty bad.
Indian Buzzer

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:46:36
Please KK break the bank for a world class striker. We desperately need a goal scorer. I mean losing to Bolton come on. How come we can win the big teams (chelsea) but the lose to the small teams (bolton) and bolton have just lost their best player. Your thoughts eds?

You could have put any striker in the world on that pitch today and played till next weekend and they still wouldnt score! the midfield is shocking and Henderson has not got a clue, Please, please someone tell me what he does other than pass it 5 yards and run round in circles, he never puts a challange in, he's utterly clueless as much as Dalglish with his tactics. we severley lack creativity and bodies in the box, but the manager seems oblivious to it!

Erm.....Bellamy???
Did he not score???

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:43:04
SOW sent out an S.O.S
Why didn't we answer??

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:42:47
This is our worst position at this stage of any season in the last 20 years,now kenny it not good enough please leave and be an ambassodor of club ur something,your makeing some serious serious mistakes,every week ur saying were going to give some team a big beating,we cant even win a game never mind beating,then u say after game ur very happy with ur squad,just go now kenny,im a hurting liverpool fan...irish kopite.

We were 9 points worse of this time last year, your post has no weight

I said position not points,so its the truth....irish kopitie

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:40:18
All this talk of playing for 4th... are you sure we're not playing for place in top 6.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:38:55
the horrible fact is that norwich, swansea, bolton, all play better football than lfc, we are rubbish, get rid of carroll, maxi, kuyt, and sign some players who want to play for the great lfc the bolton perfomance is the worst in years need to have 2 big wins v man city and man united in next week to keep fans on kennys side, if we loose both king kenny out, unfortunately martin oneill has just got another job!!!

Do you really have that short memory? Norwich, Swansea and Bolton play better football than our last performance and the Stoke match but if that pea brain of yours worked then you would remember our problem was being clinical and having wondersaves from goalkeepers not playing great football which we did in pretty much every single match except Tottenham (and the lats 2).

If you want to hold onto this view fine, but we should have the skill and creativity to beat these teams, simple fact is we dont you muppet!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:38:43
Relax. It will all be over in a week.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:37:20
i think you'll finish 8th this season...

^WTF 7th

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:37:13
KK is a legend and always will be BUT I think the poor signing of Carroll has left KK and his reputation in a very awkward situation. Yes Adam Henderson and Downing have also failed to live up to there previous reputations that led KK to choose these guys above other targets but the damage that Carroll at 35 million has done I believe cannot be repaired for KK.

The owners promise of funds been available where made available to KK right from the start, over a year into managing Liverpool KK has made his mark on the starting 11. The team is KK not Hodgsons or Rafas but I have to ask are we a better team than we where under Hodgson or Rafa?

Hodgson you would have to say YES, Rafa in my opinion then it would have to be a No. The owners intention is to win things again and take the club forward they offered KK the chance again to steady the ship which he certainly has done but I have to be honest I think as a manager KK is way behind Rafa in tactics and technicality.

The first signing I would authorise this January if I was Mr. John Henry would be to bring back Rafa and install him as Manager. I would then sell Carroll to Everton.

People seem to be forgetting that the asking price for Torres was Andy Carroll plus 15m. There is plenty of room to argue that he didn't cost anything as Torres was crocked and determined to leave.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:37:12
Kenny has basically agreed to leave if we don't get 4th. So new manager in the summer then

Where did he say that?RedTurk

I hope he has said that.
Indian Buzzer

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:37:09
Are you an LFC fan or a supporter? Because I don't see much support in the last 30 or 40 posts on here. We might have played badly today but guess what? The Mancs got done at home by the team who are now below Bolton! The performance was poor but nowhere near as poor as the performance from you knee jerk fan boys who haven't got an ounce of support in you. I'd prefer to finish 17th if it meant we got rid of all the gobsh**e non supporters like most of the posters who have been on this page in the last hour seem to be.

Did you pay £40 or more to watch it?

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:37:08
Cant say that i am shocked, i have come to expect these results the last 2 years.


People say that we need patience and i am able to do that, because with the current squad and manager they will get themselves sacked in time. I just cant believe how far we have fallen the last 2 years, our squad just looks like a mid table team on paper, less Ste G (But is ageing) and Suarez. The rest of the squad would get now where near any other top 4 bench. Watching the game today and looking at the bench we just had nobody who could make a difference. Out best player today Bellmay was playing in the championship last season, because he could get in the City team, who are out rivals, what does that say about the current squad?


I have been saying all the time now, but we need Raffa back, this is not a knee jerk reaction, but i have been saying since last year. Kenny was a good safe hands manager for last season. But he is not the man to take us forward. Hes been out the game to long and lacks tactical knowledge. It pains my to see all the top players that we once had under Raffa gone, and the crap we have now, we just look a average team. Raffa may have made some bad buys, but was working on a budget. It has been said before that we had Villa and Silva lined up under him. If we had got them then i am sure history would be different.


We need Raffa back, not only is he willing and still have unfinished business here. But he is the only world class manager that we could get at the moment. People say we need time, but ever year we are not don not win the league or have a good run in the Champions league, the less money we get and the harder it will be to get big players back.


Anyhow i know expect a lashing for most supports telling me that we should support the team what ever and Kenny is the right man for the job. But it just seems so clear to me and so painful how far we have fallen so quickly.


In RAFA WE Trust.


Rushendillidie

Their we go one of them "did you pay forty quid to watch it posts" as in " your not a proper fan if you don't go to all the games. Attendance match day money wouldn't pay the bills if you have Sky or buy merchandise your as much of a fan and probably put more money into the club. Don't let the Slankly gates lot drag you down!!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:34:13
why is everyone being negative, yes we were poor going forward, yes our defending was the worst it's been all season and admittedly our midfield looked flimsy but other than that watch out Barcelona!!
Rusty

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:33:44
Another disgusting performance by liverpool. To many expensive crap players such as carrol,adam,henderson,johnson,downing. What a waste of money on below avrage players. Forget champions league for quite a while. We need to ofload these players as soon as possible and start buying quality players. These players dont deserve to wear the red shirt. Crap,crap,crap!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:33:05
I defend my view that in terms of players signed and building a squad, we are progressing. I stand by my view that we need 4-5 more players to progress.

I posted earlier this week (2-3 days ago) about our tactics. I stand by every word. (Go back and read it if you could be arsed)

Having no Lucas or Spearing was always going to be trouble - we all knew this.

And to be fair, it is up to the manager to identify such problems and correct them.

We have no width or pace - the Carroll linkup with Bellamy for the goal was a perfect example of what he can do with support breaking beyond him - but again, he had no support from wide or central areas. Only Bellamy threatened through the centre.

But then Bellamy ended up drifting left, to compensate (for no-one being there) until Carroll was left isolated - just as happens with Suarez. The the abject, isolated Carroll we know was in full effect.

I said we needed more width and pace to rival Downing (on both flanks) - and that he needs to find balance and rhythm on the left - Kenny seemingly read my post and agreed he was not doing Downing any favours either.

That Kenny followed his comments about Downing by not playing him on the left is just baffling - not playing him at all is inexplicable. I have to be honest here.

Regarding the midfield in general. We started with what looked like 4 cm's, none of which (seemingly) played either a defensive or offensive role - they all just stayed square and central - looking generally lost, congested and short of options.

Sometimes Maxi thought he should be upfront so he drifted there, then he drifted back.

It was all wrong - all wrong. No options, no movement. No Lucas to keep the game flowing and pick up the ball from the centre backs (laughable that Kuyt dropped back to do this) and get us playing football. None taking the responsibility to show for the ball, which also led to a lot of long balls (and Carra wasn't playing either - also, it's not Carrolls fault either that a defender lumps an aimless pass.) No outlets on the flanks we were easily outfought by Bolton, we played right in their hands.

They have very clumsy defenders. We barely tested them today. Downing and Enrique should have had Steinsson pinned back - Instead there were gaping holes on both our flanks.

This was obvious.

Our defending was poor - Enrique was eager but clumsy. Johnson the same - a refusal to try him on the right of midfield, backed by Kelly is growing increasingly frustrating. That Kuyt in midfield (if thats what he was supposed to be doing) was seen as a game-changing option is sad.

The set piece defending on 88 minutes was the stuff of pub teams. Maradona's Argentina spring to mind.

This is not the first time that the "no wall" philosophy has reared it's ugly head recently either.

But get real - our defence has been roundly praised this season - they had a bad day today.

This may all sound bad - I call it like I see it - but it was one game.

People. Lay off - we have 4 months left in the season or so.

Chelsea dropped points again. We are 1 point further off them than we were this morning. It is not the apocalypse. A shame we didn't capitalise on Arsenal either, but it could be worse.

We are still in the cup with a 1-0 advantage. I hope that this result is a real kick up the arse for our players - also well done Bolton, who played well.

Kenny deserves our support. If we play like that from now until the end of the season - I will be the first to say "Kenny out" (well, not the first, I see).

If Kenny does not identify our problems and correct them then we will suffer for it. But give him time.

He can correct these problems. I hope we see a couple of signings by the end of the month - we could do with a boost.

Pass judgement once the season is done.

BJH YNWA.

Now that's a post. You're right mate, things are not black or white.

Drigan

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:33:04
Hello Ed, Eds and all the people whose hearts are Red.
Another dissapointing match and result. I remember that at the biginning of the season lot of people were saying that it'll be better because Liverpool can concentrate on the league not playing in Europe. It's quite possible that another season in Europe will be without Reds. Something must be done. I'm not an expert but the match was awful. Either KK has to be given more time and money to do something with the squad, or a lot of players need to go - including Maxi, Kuyt, Carrol, and maybe even Johnson and Reina. They clearly need at least one striker, in my opinion two. But who will come to the club if they don't qualify for CL? I love LFC with all my heart and I hate them doing so poorly. I expected much more, everyone did. I think that after today everyone knows it will be busy period with only ten days left in this window. We lack quick wingers, a brilliant playmaker and two strikers who can score. We need them NOW. Last year's buys did not provide as well as expected. Maybe apart from Enrique and in most of the games Suarez. Others are really dissapointing.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:32:04
My brother drives the team bus and hes just txt me sayin that Daglish has had enough and hes calling it a day

Lol, well my brother served them at maccy d's on the journey home and Kenny got a job there.

Ya course he is, just before a semi-final

Corkpoolred

I always had a feeling that if Kenny decided to leave then the 1st person he'd confide in would be the bus driver, Thanks 4 the info

I hope he wasn't driving when he sent the text....

I am quite sure he doesn't as this is know rubbish but my former school teacher's husband owns the buses that LFC use and because it was a small primary school and I was a big fan found out a lot about the buses and drivers etc. And my brother goes that school now and I know we still use the buses so if he does do you want to tell us the bus company name? When you've replied I'll post it and I'm sure the Eds will confirm the name I say

Did he not sign cConfidentiality agreement? you just can't get the staff these days

That's funny cause my brother does the same job & he said Kenny said you're lying!

No through the drive-thru he'd never get under the height restricter!!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:31:51
eds ?how many games Suarez still has to his ban?
Tom Red {Ed002's Note - Three.}

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:31:44
21 Jan 2012 19:58:44
I'm as disappointed, angry and upset as anyone about today and the poor run of form generally, but rather than slagging off kenny we should keep the faith. After all we were never going to be contenders this season.

We could have been!

It's not just his fault but the tactics have been poor for the past few games. Even Hansen too the piss out of the 9-1 formation he used in the previous game.

You seem to be going through a mulitude of emotions. Basically, once the players are on the pitch its up to them to produce the goods

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:30:26
Where have people heard what kenny said??
I have looked everywhere and cannot find them
Help

Part of it is on the website now

Hans

Was after the match interview.

He basically said if the slackers don't start performing and showing fight for the shirt that they will no longer be a Liverpool player, he looked so upset/angry.

Tom.

SS news, Extracts on lfc.tv web site

Check out newsnow liverpool

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:30:17
Kenny does not need to go

Yes his tactics are sometimes not right but many times his tactics are spot on

Hindsight is brilliant!

For some reason these players like Carroll, henderson, adam and downing are better than they are playing.

Kenny was as annoyed as anybody after the result.

Lets not berate the King.

Now is not the time to go into the transfer market and buy players in haste.

We should wait till summertime for additions to the squad.

Kenny will get it right this is just his first full season.

We are not a rich club by the sheiks benchmark and we may have to wait a little for success as we can't buy it.

We have some good players coing up in the reserves for the future all is not lost.

Maybe we'll pick up a cup or two on the way.

Rafa is not the answer infact he's legacy is still part of the problem.

Get behind Kenny and the boys.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:29:26
We are probably the second most unattractive team to watch lately behind stoke and we are definitely the slowest team in the prem

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:28:46
No heart or soul, these players should not be paid for that apart from bellamy. Where is the ambition to be the best, bring in the youth we have. And our number 9 is a disgrace of a forward, Keep faith with King Kenny.
NWA

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:28:40
I watched a few minutes of the game today and from what i saw, Carrol did not have a bad game(he's getting better). Our defense looked rather weak today.

To me we was just very unlucky

No. We were very poor. Nothing else to say rather than learn from it and change it. Unacceptable on all fronts.

Dirks Engine Room

Quote "I watched a few minutes of the game today and from what i saw, Carrol did not have a bad game(he's getting better). Our defense looked rather weak today.

To me we was just very unlucky"

This sounds to me a lot like a battered wife sayin..."but he loves me"

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:28:25
Another shocking performance along with another shocking result. I have said many many times before we are the ONLY team who stand and watch the opposition play,we DON'T close down teams and the defence tonight was AWFUL.

Skrtyl and Agger have been quite good this season but neither of them are consistent in the air,neither of them are dominant enough,

As for Johnson he has been outstandingly AWFUL this season and he HAS to go along with ADAM who is getting worse with every game,too many fouls,either giving the ball away or getting caught with the ball.

We need to set out a pattern of football,we need to close down,we need to be FIRST to the ball and we need to defend higher up the pitch and stop allowing teams to dominate.

As for FSG they need to make a decision on Kenny NOW,that is do we keep him until the end of season knowing we won't finish in the top 4 or do we sack him now,get a new Manager and give him some money and hope we will get in the top 4. I personally hope we get rid of him NOW but if they don't I would NOT give him anymore money for transfers as he has WASTED enough.

Alan50

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:27:08
Think about this 1 more premier league game then Suarez will be back :) all good then

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:26:47
sure who says liverpool need a striker and a winger i mean how good did we play today,
u gotta say carroll caused a lot of problems for boltons defenc, liverpool played brilliant
ED DONT EVEN COMMENT

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:26:28
I have been(still am an always will be) a die hard loyal supporter of LFC, if i have known for an age(others also) that we are crying out for creativity centrally an out wide with speed to match, then SURELY KING KENNY and commoli john henry an co can see this also, I love this club but am seriously getting worried, is it just me or anyone else see it like that???

RED4lifeNOTjust4XMAS

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:23:06
Knee Jerk my arse... we have needed a DM since Lucas was out... and a confident attacker that can score goals... if the club has a couple of transfer targets in the aforementioned categories and are available this window, Kenny needs to press the red button now!
Red Owl

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:20:58
Hi eds and all. Not a rumour but pls post. What are your thoughts on the club at the moment? I know dalglish is a ledge but since 1998 he has not been a good manager at all. We are hopeless . Over 100m spent and only Enrique apart from tonight and Suarez are good enough, so that means he wasted 70m on crap. He should have got aguero rather than Carroll, Parker rather than Adam not bought Coates and put that money with downing money for mata and they were all available. And if not them some others were available. We have no spark at all or no finisher and I think the owners know this and won't give dalglish more money to spend. What does everyone think. His presence gave us the boost we needed last season but his managerial skills prove to be lacking big style what does everyone else think. Stay-believable or go unbelievable. Pls post eds

Get real u person aguero mata wonted cpl footie,they wouldnt of come to us

ste

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:20:42
Dear Kenny,

I would never abuse you, what you have done for this great club has been truly remarkable and you will ALWAYS be a LEGEND.

There are a lot of angry and disheartened people on this, and other, forums tonight. Some of them are saying that you should step down, that you have wasted money. Do they have a point? Only time will tell.

The one fact that CANNOT be denied is that this is YOUR team, no one else's, and in YOUR team the best player in YOUR starting XI is a 32 year old Welshman with dodgy knees, who can't play 2 games a week and cost you NOTHING.

Just saying...

LJ

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:19:46
ARROGANT + HYPOCRITE = Liverpool fans in E******

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:19:46
Sorry to say that was truly awful and embarrassing to watch. Not seen us play that bad in a long time and didn't think it could get any worse after last week but that was dreadful. I know I supported getting Dalglish but for a few months now we have been slowly slipping we are playing far too defensive and it frustrates me how half the time we have one man in the box. It pains me to say it but we need to play more like Utd, flood the box with players. Some players today don't desevre to play for Liverpool. Maxi and Johnson by far the worse why not play Kelly and Downing? Followed closely by Adam.If Kenny doesn't change its then sorry but its time for a change...

CH

2nd half against City?
Whole of the Stoke Match?
This was just a continuation of those performances.
Only Bellamy looked anything like LFC standard today.
Johnson was terrible.
Adam should have been hooked after about 20 minutes.
Enrique was poor.
Only Henderson and Bellamy escape with any credit.

Thought them 2 were bad but this was at a whole new (lower) level! Kelly is a brilliant player Johnson needs teaching Henderson wasnt bad but didnt have huge influence agree Bellamy played well and Agger going forward but defending poor for their goals

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:18:46
rafa? why?
the same man who left torres on the bench when going for the title?
who took torres off and stevie asked are you injured?
i dont want the king out...but if we did bring lambert in

Why bring rafa into this.

Probably stevie wonder because 800 posts are calling for him?

Exactly, spoiled kids the lot of them. This is why i didn't want Kenny to take over, they question players loyalty ie. Torres, Meireles why not show some yourself and support the club through the tough times.
Tell you what anyone got tickets for Wednesday that are just going to piss and moan about the players, 'ere i'll have them off you.

always a red

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:18:40
dont anyone think anything else, if as is virtually guaranteed we dont finish 4th and in champions league suarez will be off to spain, rela madrid favourites, no loyalty, unfortunately we are not good enough and kenny is at brink, the critism is just round the corner, king or not

Rela madrid might be favourites for his signature but i think REAL madrid are a bigger club

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:18:01
We have to face facts. We probably aren't going to get champions league. Had Kenny spent almost £80m more wisely, we would be well in the top 4 as I cannot remember Arsenal and Chelsea being so poor in recent memory. This was the season to do it.

If I was John Henry, I would not spend anything this transfer window. I would leave it until the summer to see where we are in the league. John Henry must be wary of giving Dalglish yet more money when he is still yet to see a return on £80m worth of investment. Personally, I think Kenny will be gone come the end of the season - and it will be his poor dealings in the transfer market that will be a major contributing factor.

Ash

Ash,
This is me trying to be ultra-positive here.
The last two and a half games have been dire. Since Spearing's injury at City, the side and especially midfield have lacked balance and we're all over the place. I'm just glad Stoke never came and had a go at Anfield.
Up until then, we've been alright. The first half of the City game we were very good even, controlled possession, created chances and should've been 2 or 3 up.
The speed of the game now, and the propensity of teams to pack midfield, means we really need a DM also. At the minute our two main men in that department are out.
Roll on Jay getting fit again.
To be fair as well, I don't think we've had a full team out all season. I mean, I don't think Gerrard & Suarez have played together yet. Maybe a game or so.
Your post has some merit mate, in the fact that yes, let's review at the season end.
I'm confident when we get Jay and Suarez back, we won't get anymore of that tosh that was served up tonight.
I don't think it's as bad as people are making out, although I can see why there's such a furore as last two games have been rubbish. What's your thoughts, others and ed001 too ?
The Real KB

I agree with you KB in relation to Spearing and Lucas out. With those two in the side, we probably wouldn't have conceded 3. Maybe 1 or 2 so that can be put down to bad luck. I do however disagree that we are controlling posession. We seem to have a lot of it, but anyone can pass the ball back and square. We are seriously lacking in the final third to make penatrating passes and, since Suarez has been out, I don't recall us creating that much.

If you spend £80m on players who are supposed to help you in the final third (in both creating and scoring) to be so reliant on one man harks back to the days when we were reliant on Torres and Gerrard. We haven't progressed in my opinion.

On Kenny, I feel he is getting cut far more slack by a large amount of fans because last season under Roy is the yard-stick he is being measured against, along with how far we are off Arsenal and Chelsea (an Arsenal team that lost its captain, arguably its best player, Clichy and Chelsea team way past there sell-by-date.)

Finally, one of the reasons I get so frustrated, is that I have seen this coming since the beginning. If I, a guy with no professional football experience and never worked in football, could see a mile off that Downing was nowhere near the required standard, Carroll is not suited to our play, Adam is not good enough, then why on earth can't Commolli and Kenny? We could have had Sissoko, Honda, maybe even Mata, all for me, no brainers, but we plumbed for Carroll, Downing, Hendo, Adam.

Just realised how long this post is, so I'll stop it there, but am interested in what you think as I do respect your opinion (and whoever else wants to comment of course.)

Ash

I would agree, and I hope, that Kenny is given more respect or "slack" as you put it by the supporters. Because a period of stability is what we badly need.
As for a base of measurement, well Kenny got the job precisely because we were where we were with RH. You can't just blank that out and measure him against Rafa's CL years.
I take your point to an extent about creating chances, but I'd say we are no better, no worse than Chelsea or Arsenal in that respect.
Arsenal have had RVP on a hot run, otherwise they'd have been struggling big time.
Chelsea the same. Mata wasn't up to much today mate. Against lowly Norwich.
When we've got Luis back, Carroll would have to go back on the bench for me. And then decide in Summer what to do with him.
Jay Spearing back, and Adam drops back to the bench. Bellamy wide right, Downing left, maybe Henderson up top of a 5 man midfield or bench too if another striker is bought.
I'd be happy with that, and I think we'd go alright with it.
Don't forget we got rid of a lot of bodies in Summer, so the squad strength needs gradually building.
The Real KB

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:17:35
I was at the match tonight and the atmosphere was awful. I can't see it picking up until we have signed someone world class and the results pick up!

Not one player (apart from Bellamy) was anywhere near the standard we expect at LFC. Kenny needs to pull his finger out NOW and actually sign someone good. I can't help but think of the world class players Rafa could have signed with £100+m. Looks like 4th could be out of the question now.

Cheers, Conor.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:17:25
I Just Heard RAFA BENITEZ'S Footsteps Into The Liverpool Dressing Room!!

So wish this could happen!!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:15:48
I actually hurt after that, whatever we can call it,
People that call others none supporters aren't supporters themselves. He team needs to know that they were and are appalling, and simply not good enough.
People that slate others for telling the tryputh are just trying to hide the fact that the majority are correct and due to who the manger is, a bad word cannot be said about him when in fact it can
The people defending kenny now were the first people to kill Hodgson for his showing!
Deal with the truth and stop hiding behind your memories and fantasies people. Today just emphasised the fact that we are a poor team that has only one or two good players at a time. It was Gerrard and Torres, it is now Gerrard and Suarez, although they have hardly played with each other, and potentially never will??

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:15:36
Imo we need to replace kuyt, buy 2 wide men, a cf similar to Torres was like but more link up play a cm cos atm Adam is not near good enough, after that well be fine
Ed what's your opinion on what we need?
Ladders

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:15:10
enough is enough we smply cannot give carrol any more time, he is poor and will never fit the liverpool way sell him asap and go for a goalscorer, Bent will guarantee you 20 a season

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:14:05
To me it seems like the board would be crazy to give money to Kenny we spent a fortune in the summer not to mention Carroll and really they weren't great signings and have not brought us on at all! Kenny is living in cookoo land with his buy British policy! The money sent on Carroll would have got us agureo and the money spent on downing would have got us mata! I'd love to see a signing this month but if I'm being honest I'd understand if there wasn't cause under Kenny it's just throwing good money after bad! Dubred

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:14:03
if you look at harry redknapp, he always looks for big names no matter what team hes manager of, he got crouch, defoe, kranjear, an more when he managed portsmouth, and won the fa cup with them, hes got no money at tottenham an hes still managed to get adebayor, van der varrt, scott parker, hes looking at Remy right now who is top class, why arnt liverpool in the same mind frame edds?

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:13:55
Oh Dear! What a shambolic team Liverpool are. And you lot say we're bad. Deary me, what does that make you?

G.A.G.U.S

Who are you? How are we suppost to know who you support? If you support barnet or crawley town then it makes us look amazing but if you support man city or barcelona then yes, you are better than us.

You lost 3-2 to BLACKBURN at HOME then went and lost 3-0 to Newcastle o and you got shredded at HOME 6-1 by City.

Tom.

Just reminding you gently that you lost to Blackburn, who are below Bolton - at home

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:13:31
please give my piece the time to read i feel it deserves and debate or give opinions please reds !!

in days gone by we would have won that game 4 -3, i would have had no doubt at half time we would have come back and won that game even at 3-1 down, in days gone by i mean only a few seasons ago, i think we all know under rafa we'd have all said at half this is far from over,

the spirit and charecter we used to posses doesn't look to be there, we used to be a team in which commentators would say to the very last second you can never right liverpool off, but the charecter we once had just isn't there, it is undoubtebly a case of Lack of quality players, in the days where our spirit got us results alone we had a midfield players from the likes of gerrard,alonso,mascherano,benayoun,kuyt(when he was great),babel,sissoko,garcia,
up front we were never that brillaint but from midfield we scored a packet and up front torres was simply electric and the desire and spirt within the team and players was amazing,

the attitude seems to have changed now where it looks like once were losing it's give up time, i just cant understand how a team go can from being so possesed by the spirit of never saying die, never giving in to now basically accepting defeat LONGGGGG before the final whistle blows, not having players of real quality is without doubt going to cost us 4th place this year, we haven;t a chance of it, NEWCASTLE have more of a chance despite their 5-2 result today,
lets at the games we haven't won this season,
sunderland
stoke
man u
norwich
swansea
fulham
wigan
blackburn
man city
stoke
7 of these were at home, 7 of them were draws, and the teams on that list accept man u and man ctiy are a joke, sunderland,stoke,norwich,swansea,blackburn,

4 home wins all season, anyone that claims we have made progress needs a wake up call, and a serious one, for me our best hope this season is going to be 6th, either chelsea or arsenal will get 4th place as tottenham are knocing on man utd and man citys door and not looking down at all, and our punishment will be the europa league, if we win the carling cup it will be NO saviour for our season what so ever, going through a competition where most teams field a B team and winning it is not that great at all, you can call this a knee jerk reaction all you like but this reaction to a liverpool game has taken until nearly the end of january, maxi,johnson,kuyt,downing,carroll,henderson,adam, thats 7 out of our 11 tonight WHO ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH, on their day there alright, off their day, their 3-1 down at bolton and failing to win at home pratically every week !
where do we go from here.........???? we've gone from buying players from top european sides to picking players out of mid table english sides who shine for poor teams and we then proceed in paying WELL OVER the odd's for them because were taking a poor clubs best player at the time i.e carroll, downing,henderson,adam, all brilliant last season for their former teams, but for us....:FP: we need a saviour and we need a turning point, theres 10 days left in the jan window, a saviour or 2 isn't coming this season, but eh lads, there always next year ! i will forever love my team, i will forever wear my heart on my sleeve and go to the end of the earth for my team, but i'm honest enough to say when things aren't good, were only 6 points of 4th because chelsea and arsenal have been woeful, problem is we've been worse

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:13:22
The chance of fourth is only a point diffrent than it was before the game, with Chelsea and arsenal still to come at home. Bad result but think we should judge at the end of the season
Probably have a ton of people disagreeing but I don't care this is what I think.

Square tomato

Spot on as usual square tomato.
I'm glad to see that still a few people are realistic! We were poor today, yes! but 4th spot is still a realistic target! and even silverware is a possibility! asking for Kenny's head is a disgrace! I can understand it, I don't wanna blame anybody, but a year ago all of us welcomed him ass if he was the father, the son and the holy ghost! Now some of you seem to want a coach back that two weeks ago after the man city match noone cared about. Sorry guys grow up! Marc

I disagreed mate, but thats just me. I think we have not been proactive. Signing somebody would have probably given the squad a lift, but by the looks of it, we won't though from what I hear, its not for the want of trying! But the results speak for themselves, we go 2 steps forward and 1 step back. It's been happening throughout the season.

AG

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:12:54
This was such a pivotal weekend and presented such an opportunity for us:

i) Chelsea unexpectedly dropped points
ii) Aresnal with the potential to drop points
iii) Newcastle losing
iv) a win against lowly Bolton would have vaulted us into 5th and put us only 3 points away from a CL spot
v) coming off a brutal performance against Stoke, we had a chance for redemption

We had it all to play for and yet, we put in an uninspired, unimaginative, poorly organized and poorly executed display like that. We couldn't (and haven't been able to all season) even get the fundamentals right (e.g. beat the first man with a free/corner kick). Incredibly disappointing!

If we couldn't find inspiration with so much at stake this weekend, it's a sad reflection on the team and its management. We reek of complacency.

The reality is we aren't CL calibre and we don't deserve to be there. Get comfortable with 7th because that is where we are going to be for the foreseeable future.

For those who believe we should stop moaning and just blindly support the team...you're forgetting there are two parties in a relationship and both have responsibilities. The fans have shown their undying committment to LFS--that cannot be questioned. Hoever, a team with this kind of history and this level of support has to do its part as well...and that has been sadly lacking. I can understand a loss; I cannot forgive a poor effort...which have now turned into poor effortS.

What an opportunity...lost!

Dead right mate - and this missing of opportunities has gone on too long - which is why this is a mid table side without more flair, skill, creativity, style and imagination

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:12:34
Let's put things in perspective, that was a f**king horror show and the buck has to stop somewhere which is ultimately with KD. After seeing his post match comments he is appalled at that hour and a half of horse sh*t as every single one of us. Inept tactics? Poor formation? No, no fu*king heart or effort, these bunch of cu*ts get paid more in a week that most of us will see in 2-3 years of hard graft in a job we more than often despise. He can't control them once they step on the pitch, they should b sacked, not that poor sod, there is no manager in the world who could have changed the outcome of that today, we all hurt together so less of the 'Dalglish out' sh*t. If the players aren't up to the job then move them on and try again, he ain't the first manager to make poor signings and won't b the last.

Some of the players that played today are not fit to wear the royal red of lfc. all players should play for the team not themselves.

Absolutely spot on, we are a team with no Centre Forward to hold the ball up retain possession and create from there.
So Kenny needs to get A PROPER CENTRE FORWARD.
KIDMILLIONS

Well spoken mate.

Totally agree, if they ran their b@lls off for 90 minutes and lost you could justify it but they look like their taking the piss.Bring back the good old days when the Captain would openly bollock his players.And show some spirit. AH

Agree with the original poster there.
Kid Millions, don't single Carroll out there mate. That was a shocking team performance.
The Real KB

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:12:04
kenny in agreement with some of the negative posts about the players. Never seen him so mad at the team before.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:11:27
i said before the game that this was a must win game for us. well after what i have seen all i can say are two things. get rid of the players and bring rafa back.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:11:20
We need a holding midfielder, Right winger and a striker who has the pace to get in behind. The players we need are going to be too expensive in January and lets face it, we can't afford to buy for the sake of it because we already have too many players who are not good enough and we paid way over the odds for them. The purchases of the last 12 months have been poor apart from Suarez and Enrique. The rest are not Liverpool standard. Bent, Defoe, Jelavic are not the answer to our problems long term and we will again pay ridiculous prices and be sat here in May still not in the champions league but without as bigger transfer budget and with more players who are not Liverpool standard.

The management staff need to look at tatics with current players cause they have cost us points, Adam not stronger enough to play as one of two Central midfielders, need 3 at the moment with standard of players available. Today and Tottenham highlight this and 5 at the back at home to stoke, what was that about?

Hopefully a couple of loan players could raise the team and hopefully a cup success for the rest of the season. The summer will be massive for us to get back to where LFC should be.

Red 80

To be fair mate, Adam is not strong enough to play for us full stop.

Adam was doing well with Lucas lads, but him and Gerrard as a partnership just don't work.
The Real KB

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:11:20
listen here lad when was the last time we where the team u all think we should be ? can any of you remember i can and it was when the one and only kenny was in charge so dont slate the man when the players are the ones to blame with that display we have a few big games comeing up get behind your team bolton fans did and we no what they done today
liverpool till i die
win -loss -or draw

It will all be over in a week

Roy evans

red4lifenotjust4xmas

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:10:57
Well, i have to say that i have lost complete faith in the liverpool outfit to come up with the goods at all out of any match. this season is like last season, only in reverse. the work ethic of some of them players on the field of play to day were dreadful and should not be allowed to dawn the red shirt, especially the one with the No.9 shirt. Its beyond belief that this team is even in the top ten at the moment. if it were not for a few players we would be a championship team come the end of may. And WITHOUT bringing in players now to get us the spot in Europe we will be s**t out of luck from then on as no decent players will come to us in the summer. some of our current players need a boot up the ass to get them moving other wise the a boot right out the back door of Anfield.

I would love to know of your opinion Eds. do we stand to have a single iota of chance at getting to Europe?

Why are yo asking the Ed's if they think we will get into europe, surely you can make your mind up yourself after watching that almighty pile of rubbish that was that performance which has basically mirrored ALL of our anfield performances where we've drew with some of the worst teams in the league ! here i'll pretend i'm an Ed,

Ed2012 says ...Europe i hear you say....?? we've more chance or ronaldo signing in this window !

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:10:42
who thinks comoli should be in charge of buying players .he wanted moussa sissoko.and probily other good players .dalglish should just play them
paul ynwa77

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:10:27
Without wanting to be controversial I think we are not going far under kenny now I love the man for all that he has done for our club but his tactics today were so poor and obviously outdated I find it difficult to defend him in any way shape or form 442 is a thing Of the Past and the fact he stuck with it for 90 min showed me he hasn't moved on with the game his signings have been Poor and if he doesn't realise carrol is not good enough now then his stubbornous is at a detriment to our club

Ps I'd have rafa back tomorrow

Kopman no knee-jerk reaction to one result by the way

Yeah.

I suppose when we beat Chelsea, Utd and M. City playing 442 I'm sure you were here saying 442 is dead then as well.

But no 'knee-jerk' reaction eh Kopman. 442 is obviously dead isn't it?

That wasn't 442 you saw today either. So I'm not surprised you think it's "dead", you wouldn't know what it looked like if you saw it anyway apparently.

Just because the graphics people put 442 on the screen doesn't make it a 442.

BJH YNWA. (These aren't the knee-jerk fans.... good God....)

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:08:11
Kenny brought SC and Kevin Keen to this clubfor tactical reasons when he shoud be calling on Rafa. Kenny and Rafa are both great managers but they both lack important things. Kenny is tactically lacking and Rafa has poor communication with players. Having both together on the management team would leave no such deficits

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:07:36
just a quick one for all fellow reds, £35 million for Carroll who can,t hold the ball up, doesn,t win any headers and is useless on the ground....compare him to that performance by Ngog, he fought won headers and is way better on the ground...maybe shud have saved our money.

I could have swore I saw Carroll win a header to set up Bellamy's goal.

I thought you people only cared about stats. Thats an assist. Instant 7/10 on FM eh?

Also, if N'Gog fought like that at LFC he might still be there.

BJH YNWA.

The point is Ngog played better than Carroll tonight....if you look at carrolls performances for lfc compared to ngog when he was here, whats the differance= £35 million quid thats what

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:07:29
John Henry and Fenway are ruthless professionals. They don't take prisoners. Kenny is already on a yellow card. Don't get emotional. These people only deal on results.

At the end of the day this is an investment and the owners will want to see a return, the way things are going they are going to lose patience with them.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:06:55
Chelsea fan here, about a week a go i put a fake rumour on here, Carrol + Cash for Ngog returning, it doesnt even sound ridiculous now, i actually feel sorry for you, we are SHOCKING, but id say you lot have a lot more issues than we have, AVB has been under a load of pressure & job has been questioned, surely its just a matter or time before even the KD worshippers want him out, its unbelievable how easily he gets off the hook and gets blindly defended when his signings are poor and his tactics are poorer. I think we (chelsea) will scrape 4th, i could honestly see you lot in 8th/9th with the likes of Sunderland and Villa

SHED END

Y u bothered about us for

Ste liverpool

The empty Shed end ! ws never full was it ! Chelsea have more problems than us, with billions at your disposal you are onyl scraping 4th place says it all ! You change managers every 5 mins CHELSEA has no class !

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:06:54
After that loss to bolton, liverpool need to bring in some quality, hopefully it will wake KD up so he realises that, we are way behind arsenal chelsea tottenham in quality, need a goal scorer an some pace, pace wins matches

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:01:12
Nigel de Jong to us looks possible, considering his fight for a place with Barry and yaya toure.

Na lad we got spearing we dont need him and adam

I hope not

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:00:18
6 points from 18 take newcastle result its 3 from 15 with 2 goals ,have we strengtend the team in last 18 months maybe but after spendin nearly 100 mil we are now lookin at not makin top 6 feelin very low red2toe

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:00:11
kenny was so disappointed. shame. its a shame to see the legend saying what he said. the lads need to play for him for our club, for us.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:59:30
Truth is without Lucas to protect and Suarez to create we look a poor side. Season is crumbling around our ears- and I mean the only part that truly matters- the league. I love and admire Kenny, but I don't think he has the answers, particularly tactically. He's starting to look a little boy lost to me. I think we positively have to buy this window, and some of these amazing kids we keep reading about need to be blooded. We are still in touch, and all is not lost but decisive action needs taking and Right Bloody NOW.

Huyton bob

But if you was the owners wouldn't you be thinking hold on a minute we just spent over £100 million and were not even challenging top 4, the british buys have been poor, do we really wana risk more money with kenny or find the right manager and give him the money in summer. im sure thats what they will be thinking, no disrespect to kenny even he said no one is bigger then the club, he was a great player and manager in his time, but i think he didn't realise this is not the 80s there isn't many british talent around and too get done over soo much so that we did with the money we spent isn't looking good.RedTurk

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:58:44
I'm as disappointed, angry and upset as anyone about today and the poor run of form generally, but rather than slagging off kenny we should keep the faith. After all we were never going to be contenders this season.

Kenny has got rid of most of the dross and I'm sure he wants rid of kuyt and Johnson. Kenny has tried to build a team, bringing in players with good passing / creativity. Unfortunately these players were brought in to play in front of Lucas and his loss has impacted massively on the shape and effectiveness of the team.

On paper Carroll and Downing were. Match made in heaven, I thought Carroll would be excellent for us. It just hasn't worked out, kenny, Clarke and Keen are good coaches and if they can't get a tune out of him no-one can.

The major players around Europe weren't queuing up to join us in the summer, or now. We are progressing and luck hasn't exactly been on our side this season.

Keep the faith.

Billericay Red.

Sack kenny

Ya he got rid of aqua /merilles /creative players great buisness and any who says aqua wanted to leave i do not care modric for example we are a joke spearing ha lol

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:58:42
Steven gerrard cant even kick the ball as far as andy carrolls first touch.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:05:46
absolutly awful game 2day....john barnes is right we need 2 invest..weve bought players for the future but wer in the present and we need players that wil go straight into the first team...wah u ppl think ?

Bought for the future??like who,bellamy ,adam,just not good enough what was there or the signings kenny made,

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:05:26
Every team has a bad day at the office. My fear is that after a healthy summer spending spree, once Gerrard is fully fit and Suarez returns we are still a 2 man team. Possibly 3 if Bellamy could play every game.

Montague Withnail

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:03:08
Very disappointed with the result/performance, but did anyone see Dalglish's interview after the game? some really stern words looked so upset.

Am confident he will give them a right kick up the arse and sort them out once and for all.

Tom.

Its to late..

 

 

21 Jan 2012 20:01:50
Didnt watch the game but could someone tell me what happened was it lack of effort, poor tactics, un-balanced?? An honest assessment please not just a bitch.

Cheers

JJ LFC

Everything was wrong. we were played off of the park by bolton so time to hang our heads in shame...

Absolute s**te... thats a pretty honest and accurate assessment

Everyone but Bellamy and agger just had a howler, even Carroll looked adequate at times, the worst performance I think I have ever watched, flat, couldn't keep possession, Kenny was fuming after the game, not pulling any punches, and rightly so!!

Lack of effort everyone was absolute sh!t apart from Bellemy, Bolton closed us down well to be fair.

Tom.

Worst team performance in my 25 years as a fan!
Nothing went right!
Skrtel & Bellamy played well - end of story & by next Saturday, maybe end of season if this type of performance continues!
No excuses, we were awful!
Can see us lose to City midweek but beating Utd on Sat!
That'd be typical of us!

From what I could see we started 4-3-3.

For first goal midfield went AWOL... gaping hole in the middle that Johnson decided not to fill until last minute but then two late - easy goal to slip past Reina...

Their second goal, a couple of Bolton passes tore our midfield apart. Re-Coker left unmarked, was put through and allowed enough time by the defense to
do a dance routine before slotting home past Reina.

Our second, clearance header from Adam from Goal kick, flick-on by Carroll, powerful run and good finish from Bellers.

Tehir thrid... Cross, header back across goal to a Bolton player who was waiting, on his own, on the penalty spot to Volley into the bottom right corner.

Liverpool never looked like scoring from open play. I think we went to 4-4-2 at one point but nothing changed in my opinion.

When 4-3-3 - we were unbalanced in Midfield when defending/attacking. Not winning second balls and allowing space in front of goal.

Now before anyone says I'm whining, not supporting the team etc. That's not the case - I have simply stated the facts.

Kenny is not daft, he knows tonight was not good. What he can do about it, I don't know, but that's why I'm not a footy manager.

We were beaten to every ball , thank god we had bellamy up front , and agger at the back , tactically , we were set up all wrong , and did not change anything , even when it was so obvious , Kelly just has to play right back , big mistake thinking , that spearing was the answer , when we lost Lucas for the season , too small , too slow , also poor charlie is just getting worse every match , and whats so bad , is that the team are just so out of sorts , and out of position , we could not get the basics right today , lots of our passes and clearances went to their team , it was so bad ....... but we will get past city on wed nite , and lots will be forgiven , boy do we need a result ... and KK will get it right this time , he has too .
redforever .

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:58:04
what the f*^% what a disgrace!!!
Tom Red

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:57:50
Most of the team that played tonight should be ashamed of themselves. The defence was inept the midfield was complacent only Bellamy put a decent shift in and most of the other were so poor that they made Carroll look relatively good.

Redpath

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:57:49
Woeful form at the moment. Painful to watch at times. Unless teams like Chelsea and Arsenal keep doing us massive favours then we should say goodbye to 4th this season. Concentrate on the cups, keep faith in the players and build a settled team to challenge for the Champions' League spots next season

Red Ollie

I agree, and the truth is we're nowhere near good enough to compete in CL yet anyway. The work in progress goes on...

For how long have we been talking about "next season" im starting to think its never gonna happen

It's been about 3 years now. The first one Rafa monumentally effed up. The second one Woy dragged us down. This one we have a completely different team. It takes time {Ed016's Note - It takes a fair amount of time, especially with the emergance of city and spurs while we were essentially being asset stripped by the Yankie doodles}

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:57:33
It might just be me but In my opinion without Suarez and two our right real wingers our attack is poor looks To me that most the time the midfield get the ball and have no quick option on so the ball stays in midfield and defence. Another problem is our lack of blistering pace we need it for counters or on the least to give a defence something to worry about

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:57:31
Kenny getting sacked is not the answer. He is a liverpool legend. I think he will resign.

You cant just keep him bacause he is a legend get rid of him now..............

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:56:20
Hi Eds,

Just want to commend you on the site. RAWK have closed all threads relating to the game and this is probably one of the only sites where you can truly comment on a performance without getting shot down.

cheers

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:56:19
Ha ha ha andy carroll a footballer? I would rather my 2 year old son start, at least he can dribblle.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:55:54
The bolton defeat was a masterstroke by Kenny

Now both manchester clubs will be confused and we will win both cup ties and Kenny will be hailed a genius

Lets use "the mark my words" quote

Onwards and upwards have faith

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:51:23
I know this is a great democratic side Ed's. But can't you ban some of these kneejerk glory hunter fans who clearly don't support the team. You must feel like it sometimes!! Ed's
{Ed001's Note - believe me I delete a large number of pathetic whines that seem to consist mostly of abuse towards particular players. It is embarrassing how people have nothing constructive to say, plenty of whines but nothing of value.}

What could you actually find constructive about that result ed? seriously.

Danny

Yes ed1 The word is "Supporter" think the dictionary maybe be badly needed!!!

Plus. Were missing our best 2 players this season by a long way Lucas Suarez. Let's see take Yaya toure & Company out of man city they may lose "oh they have" get a grip
Lyndon

Democracy suggests that all opinions welcome but of course there are rules. It's clear that a lot of Liverpool players are poor but daglish is also not the manager to take you to the next level.
He can motivate but can be tactically out-maneuvered.
I hate to say it but his time has passed, that's why he's legend

Utter failure

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:51:15
I know we played terrible and have been doing so lately and everyone has the right to be disappointed but i think as liverpool fans we should all try and get behind the team and ket them feel our support cause amongst many other things confidence was severly lacking today and i feel as fans we need to get behind our players and restore the faith. I know many people wont agree with me but i feel its needs to be said YNWA
S

Man/woman after my own heart! Hope theirs a couple more out there!

Blind faith

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:51:04
Are you an LFC fan or a supporter? Because I don't see much support in the last 30 or 40 posts on here. We might have played badly today but guess what? The Mancs got done at home by the team who are now below Bolton! The performance was poor but nowhere near as poor as the performance from you knee jerk fan boys who haven't got an ounce of support in you. I'd prefer to finish 17th if it meant we got rid of all the gobsh**e non supporters like most of the posters who have been on this page in the last hour seem to be.

Ok mate great performance today

I'm a realist - we are poor!
Ask the players to give us something to support maybe?!
Kenny himself even said some were terrible!
We are all entitled to a moan when we fail.
Doesn't it show how much we hurt when we moan more?
Maybe you're not a real supporter cause you just accept what happened today?
Not me mate!
Disgraceful!
No more excuses now!

I'm pretty sure everyone agrees it was the worst performance of the season. But the point is, all the nobs slagging every player off and calling for the managers head is not the sign of someone who is hurting. That's even more disgraceful than the disgraceful performance. It's the sign of a fickle fanbase. That genuinely hurts me even more than the performance. By all means, dissect each player's performance on the pitch, like "Carroll got precious little service today and couldn't hold it up when it came to him and Adam's passing was woeful all through the game" But if you think spouting b****cks like "Carroll is the shi**est striker in the league and Adam is the worst player in the world" is the sign of a proper supporter, than either I've been getting it wrong for the last 40 years or it means those type of people are Sky generation fanboy gobsh**es. The fact I seem to be in the minority speaks volumes, and The Liverpool Way and YNWA doesn't mean much to some people any more.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:50:50
Can someone pls tell me why kenny is giving liverpool fans heart ache. Enough of all dis! Liverpool is bigger than some of these burgers on d field! Kenny is allowing his pride rule him, trying by all means to prove that d 35mil he paid for caroll is justified. Be humble and admit u made a mistake and let's move on. Beaten 3-1 by bolton? Oh no! Time is runnin out! {Ed001's Note - don't talk nonsense, Carroll is not playing out of pride, ridiculous comment from someone who clearly has no idea about Dalglish!}

Come on mate wake up,we are going backwards ,kenny made bad sighnings to go with his bad tactics that Is not a good combination for success,come on who would pay 35 mill carroll,20 mill downing,20 mill Henderson??????????????? {Ed001's Note - give it a rest, you are like broken records. Not a clue what you are talking about, not even the correct prices paid so stop it.}

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:50:34
Not a great team performance today but we need to brush ourselves down and pick it up on wednesday. I thought carroll had a really good first half and worked hard for the team and tired a little second half but we need to start playing to carrols strengths to get the best out of him. One player we missed today was spearing lets hope he is fit for wed.

Glen johnson was poor today and i cant see him being at the club much longer. Surely its time to give Kelly a few games.

Its going to take a little longer maybe than we thought to get to the top but with Kenny i am sure we will. I think it just shows what deadwood was left with by previous managers. But now its more important than ever to get behind the boys with two massive cup games coming up.

Mighty reds

I agree with pretty much all you think......

LiverBird

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:50:03
maxi and kuyt need to go! That was an awful performance. Carrolls getting worse by the week. We need a striker asap. Were good up until we get to their box and then the play just stops. Not the best rumour in the world but had to say it.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:49:54
hi edds would like to no your thoughts on are situation now one win in six now i no you hate all the bad texts but how long can this go on for we really need new players not kk saying hes happy with the team because thats tosh i do belive carrol and hendo will be future stars but we need future stars now if you no wat i mean so pls edds wats your thoughts on things liverpool? got a ticket for wed game not looking forward to it anymore just praying we do better then this
{Ed001's Note - I am sorry but what do you expect a manager to do? He can't come out and say anything else. I am sick of people whining about comments made, they are meaningless drivel for idiots who read tabloids to slaver over, nothing more, nothing less. They are not indicative of anything at all, other than just what needs to be said to stop the media pestering them with stupid questions.}

Edd kenny himself said there was money to spend if he wants to but he is happy with the squad thats all im saying and clearly its not upto scratch in certon areas rw and a goal getter to take some of the burdon of carrol who i have faith in pluss with a quality rw that will also take pressure off downing again shareing the burdon i take the loosing and drawing thats football but the signs were there before xmas that we needed these to positions sorting because we dont have single rw player and we knew louis would get sus so come jan 1 we should of signed 2 players and the last few games may have been alot different i truly belive with these two positions filled i think it would be an awsome team really do

 

 

21 jan 2012 19:49:48
iam a rangers supporter and have been looking at this sight for a couple of weeks and i cant believe that so many of you have turned against kd , hes is a ledgend for you,se take a look at your selfs for christ sakes, have a word about your 35 million player he looks to me more interested in parting than football ,he looks lazy and plays lazy hes not the player kenny first spotted, so give kenny a break he will get it right for you,se.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:49:04
the same fans who slate carroll are the same fans who slate'd keane never happy and to spoilt to give players a chance... not carrolls fault today !
dannybhoy

35 million players should score goals.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:48:56
were s**t dont think kk should go .but i think comoli should decide on players .and kk play them
paul ynwa 77

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:55:05
Rafa did spend a lot of money whilst he was in charge. But we looked like we could go and beat anybody anywhere. Two Champions league finals (1 win), an FA cup, and the closest we've ever got to winning the Premier League. Then Laurel & Hardy decided to F*** things up before they were ousted, but sadly, Rafa was before them. Biggest mistake LFC have made in last 20 years.

Agreed!

Team under Raffa and team under KK seems worlds apart. Under Rafa i would say we look a top for side. Now getting beat by teams like Bolton doesnt surpise me.
We need Raffa back, as i believe he is the only world class manager that we would be able to get at the moment. If he had the amount of money kenny had then i am sure that we would have got players like Villa and Silva.
But with players like downing and adam mid table all we look.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:54:55
Eds how do. please post on rumour page. i know its not a rumour but who wants dalglish or benitez

believable dalglish unbelievable benitez

i think with the money dalglish has spent benitez would of bought i strong winning squad with absolute quality & for most of us at the time Torres wouldn't of gone. just be interesting to see what people think.

What's your option Eds

alec

Ra-Fa, RaFael Benitez

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:54:17
Personally I reckon we don't need a striker and a winger. We need a complete team. Today every single player except Bellamy performed like beginners. We were waiting for Gerard to come back and have a "boost". Where was the boost. Can any one tell me which player played quality football today?

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:54:13
King Kenny no more, He is living off his name, If it was anyone else in charge we would be asking for him to be sacked, Henderson, Downing, Adam and Carroll are the biggest waste of money ive ever seen in my life, we are a laughing stock, If Kenny really loved this club he'd walk away, The board will never sack him because it will ruin his status on anfield as a legend, If he doesnt quit we will just keep going backwards

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:54:04
Did any one see Carroll get his head to a the ball from a corner. Head it about 6yds wide and then wave his arms complaining the corner was too low. Few minutes later he was having an air-shot from Downings pass.
Kenny save your Job and Get Rid of Carroll. !!
fookin pest is dragging us down! the whole team is now losing confidence playing with him. He's not Good Enough! Bellamy went through on his own a couple times and it was obvious he didn't want to pass to him? can't say I blame him; what's the point! he's hopeless..
kidmillions

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:53:42
Why does you red men from the city of Liverpool not demonstrate in cause of the bad results lately. Stand together and demand some proper transfers! Regards from Denmark

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:53:34
For me, it wasn't so much the result as the general malaise that seemed to be on the team. I can live with a loss as long as the team is working hard and playing well. It looked like no one (apart from Bellamy for the first 30 mins or so) actually cared at all. No one was closing down, limited movement by everyone, terrible passing, etc, etc. No idea what's going on behind the scenes, but it was clearly a listless display by the entire team whereas Bolton was the exact opposite.

Really, really poor display by the entire squad and management. MOTM - I guess Bellamy by default, but in reality no one deserves it.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:53:19
The only thing about today, Kennys interview with ESPN: If you're not good you'll be shipped out. Clear message to Adam, Carroll & Downing. He can only protect them for so long. Well said.

-Shane.

If thats what kenny said, you have to respect that but seriously he bought alot of these underperformers, once again i respect kenny for what he has done for this club but, even he is not bigger then lfc, if he needs to be changed then he should be.RedTurk

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:52:17
Players are not responsible for all of this.
1. Poor signings by KD
2. Poor tactics by KD

Great managers may have some poor signings, but they still have a good tactic to cover the weakness and building their team to be a force. unfortunately this isnt happened to KD. I remember in the end of last season KD said "too many dropped points in the first half season cost us CL".. now we can see KD is no better than Hodgson, sorry to say. it's already one year for KD, and remember Rafa won CL in 1st year. KD is not the Man, we're going backward with no clue of improvement. Please step down KD you're a big guy and know best for LFC.. and if I allow to choose.. I'd like to see Rafa back as he's the closest candidate due to availability and passion.

Joe Jonas

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:51:52
just thinking if rafa had that kind of money to spend where would we be now? silva, aguero

Mid table!

Voronin Keane Nunez Gonzalez ungog degan the list of bad buys out weighed the good by Benitez. As much as I like the man. Ostriches bury their heads in the sand for a reason. You've no excuse!!

The list of bad buys out weighs the good well here is the good reina alonso mascharano torres agger skertl sissoko bellamy crouch kuyt arbeloa lucas and could of had silva villa aguero alves if the deals wasnt pulled now thats a team. now go an look at kennys signing in his first year only 2 good signings out of six with full backing. benitez turns torres into a 50 million player alonso into a 30 million player reina into 20million player and genarated millions and millions in champions league revenue that got swallowed up by debt now look at one of kennys first signings carroll 25million loss........ says it all what money has kenny genarated for liverpool zilch. if owners look at how much money rafa made kenny would be a gona..

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:48:34
so angry after that bolton game if dalglish is happy with that squad then he needs to back up his confidence in the squad with wins we need a complete squad we ent had one for years puttin square pegs in round holes wont get us top 4. i love king kenny best fing that happend to liverpool in years but we need players and we need wins. if im out of line tell me but i cant see anyone disagreing

adam lfc

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:48:31
Thank you Kenny Dalglish for destroying Liverpool Football Club!

Fergie see ya on Saturday!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:47:50
Even I am not gonna defend that performance.
We got outnumbered in midfield and couldn't get a grip on the game at all.
Adam & Gerrard together, without protection behind, does not work.
Henderson is not really a right midfielder.
That wasn't just the new lads, so don't get on their backs. Barring Bellamy (and Pepe I guess), the rest were awful. Just a very poor team performance.
And Kenny & Steve Clarke got it wrong as well.
Please lord, let Jay Spearing be fit for Wednesday.
The Real KB

Totally agree... Adam and Gerrard do not balance each other. Gerrard/Adam/Henderson defended poorly today...

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:47:25
Question: if so many of you have already condemned the team as sh*t since Nov/Dec, why then are you people still following the team?

Because if you have already given up on our beloved club, you shouldn't be posting on this page with your negative comments - you should be posting high fives and happy banter with those supporting the mancs, bitters, chavs, gooners and spuds!

SingRed

What a stupid post, just cos were upset and angry with our team does not mean we love Liverpool any less. Liverpool is the club we support, players come and go and i wish most of this lot would go too. we have made some awful buys and let some good players slip through the net as usual. It is frustrating being a Liverpool supporter.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:47:02
Rumour linking agger with bayern munich. Apparently agger doesnt see this club offering enough for him. Well he has a point.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:46:57
Kenny Dalglish please please please if you're reading my post, can you please bring in some more british talents to liverpool (u know similar to Carroll, Downing, Adam, Henderson).

So Eds/forum users, any rumours about any young british talents Liverpool being linked to? I havnt spotted any so far :(

Thanks

british_talent_scout

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:46:27
Oh dear! We are poor,I mean really poor. It's clear to see to the kenny revamp isn't working. Charlie Adam has looked awful over the last few games, he just seems to run into everyone.
Andy Carroll, I understand he's young he'll improve blah blah blah, put its his touch that scares me he looks so uninterested. I think he's got a nerve to have a go at the service (which is poor atm) if he can't be arsed to earn his coin.
Stewart downing couldn't cross a road simple as. £20m for 1 goal against Oldham and no assists.
Bellamy and enrique have done well, Bellamy especially and I'm warming to Henderson.
I'm not a dreamer I know unless we rob an Arab bank we wont buy the cavani's or messi's or pele's but we need a better standard of player. Someone pointed out the likes of Honda just someone clever enough to unlock a defence, and after today I'd snap your hands off for bent.
we need to strengthen now not for the future, the future is bright but the present is very bleak. Sorry angry rant over, I'm not jumping on the band wagon, I just hope we just sort it out ASAP.
Ps thanks eds, great site

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:46:26
Without a recognised anchor man (Lucas/Spearing), we lose the midfield battle. When Kenny plays with 3 defenders to counter that, he gets slated for being 'negative'. Adam/Gerrard/Henderson as a midfield trio will never work, they're not discliplined enough. Solution? Either 3-5-2 with Enrique/Johnson (would prefer Kelly) as wingbacks, or move Agger into that role. It's not working atm.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:45:58
Kenny dalglish out!!!!!..... Oh and then again we will go and beat msn city get to a cup final and everything is great again liverpool on the up im afraid i am not looking fir young players for the futire i wont improvement now no matter what happens against man city(we always turn up against big teams because we have been suited to counterattacking since benitez dalglish is playing the same tactics theres no changes different ideas hea just carrying on creating mOre of a mess than we had before and if he keeps spending on bull**** then well be skint again and dalglish will have been our demise get him out now to keep him a hero hes tarnashing his name 3-1 down just stands there tactics are abysmal he is everybodys favourite but im afraid were going knowhere fast

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:45:54
absolutely P'd off today made eagles look like messi and petrov like ronaldo. I dont normally moan about it but today was diabolical our midfield is s*it. Adam needs a couple of reserve games because he can't pass, he can't tackle he can't do f*** all on a set piece. We miss suarez and lucas too much. The last few games we've just got worse and worse...

Still got faith in kenny but we need good players.

KingMiz

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:42:15
dreadful performance, horrible defense, midfield, and attacking. that was a painful game to watch. Dalglish must be on drugs if he doesn't buy at least a striker worth 15-20 mil. I will be a liverpool fan to the day i die but dalglish and the team are making it hard for me to be proud of that. better performance from carroll but still not worthy of liverpool at all.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:42:13
My uncle says at HT we'd be better with Carroll Vorderman up front! lol he's not wrong.

Chipkin9 (EIRE)

Love carroll voderman up my front :p

Dublad

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:41:30
Kenny always has and always will be my hero. But his team are not up to it. The signings have been so bad I'm half hoping he's not given any more funds because he'll waste it. Carroll is awful, Adam constantly gives away frees on the d, Downing doesn't attack. We are about to sign a Texeira who hasn't played first team football. There is a Texeira playing in Holland and his movement is amazing, he scores goals, plays with a buzz. Sadly he is so good and cheap too that we will not buy him. I was thinking back to his movement and style as I watched Carroll fall over, lose control, no first touch, can't pass, runs with defender. Texeira is able to score in the air, beat his man, pulls off his man, makes space in the box. It hurts people. It hurts that he is just one example of cheap talent, a proper goalscorer with fire in his belly but we won't sign that type of player. if it wasn't for Bellamy we'd be in serious trouble. Thanks Craig.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:41:03
Kenny has to go. Sorry to say this but he has been poor tactical wise and transfer wise. Spending money on overpriced British when we could have gotten better foreign players. I know the players that we bought wanted to play for us but there were other foreign players that wanted to play for us too. Kenny hasn't been wise in his transfer spending. I have the utmost respect for him. I cant deny the fact that he is the icon of the club and everyone looks up to him but as the manager of Liverpool, he has not done a good job. We need to solve this problem and solve it fast. I would be really surprised if Kenny still refuses to enter the transfer window after tonight's humiliating display.

ForeverRed

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:40:02
Just want to congratulate kd on turning us into a mid table team absolute joke bolton totally outplayed us tonight what a bunch of over-rated over paid doosh bags the worst players on the pitch tonight where three who have came in during summer/last jan window henderson adam carroll all woeful tonight and have been all season we need changes people and it has to start at the top sorry kenny time to go patience has run out and hopefully the owners has to to much money spent on average players at best and not enough points we need to stop looking at average joes and buy world class players look at what we have spent on hendo downing carroll adam almost 80 million think of the real talent we could have bought hazard higuain johnson aguero all would have around about the same dark times ahead lads sorry to be negative but this season has been as shame since pre season
{Ed001's Note - are you forgetting that he took over a team that was mid-table at best. So he hasn't turned us into a mid-table team at all.}

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:39:59
Rubbish signings, rubbish performance. I know you shouldn't bring youngsters into a stuggling team, but I'd try anything to get a bit more creativity and talent onto the pitch. If we're not going to buy then take a risk with Coady, Suso, Morgan and the likes. Kelly, Flanagan, Spearing and Robinson looked capable when they were called upon, there has to be more talent in the reserves.

-Shane.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:39:46
Hope Dalglish fans are smiling after the Bolton game!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:39:39
To be honest, if the owners give us any money for transfers, they would be insane. I've supported the signings as long as I can, they are shockingly bad, we have pissed £100m up the wall, if we put the new signings up for sale today we would struggle to get £50m back (half of which would be Saurez).

Whether the fault lies with the players, cominelli or Kenny. Please, please do not waste anymore money until we sort this out. I'd rather we sorted out our transfer policy first and spend wisely in the summer.

Saurez has had 15 matches banned in just over a year, approx 1/3 of a season, no one will risk more than £30m on him, we may think he's worth over £50m but no one will risk more. Carroll, wouldn't fetch more than £10m, Adam £3m, Downing £10m, Henderson £7m. I think I want to cry.

Invest the money in coffee futures or something.....

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:39:35
I'm wondering how other managers would have spent 100m, look at the team Rafa built that peaked in 2009 or Houllier in 2002 with much less. KK has wasted a fortune on rubbish English players when there were plenty of better options. Sorry but it has to be said, he did well last season but I think it's time for a manager more up to speed. Rafa or Mourinho for me and give them money.

Hessle Red {Ed001's Note - give it a rest, Rafa bought some dross too, some of it we are still stuck with years later, on huge wages stopping the club from being able to invest in better players. Rafa is not the answer and Mourinho has never been the answer to anything other than who is the biggest cheat in world football.}

Rafa bought some crap but he did have business sense to help fund it from the kids he bought from Spain. He always said he did wheeling dealing with reserve players to get funds. I'm not too sure if the king is doing the same.

It's a hard call, wasting money on over inflated sales or wasting money on broad given money. Anyones call!!

Dublad

Come on ed1. El zhar was worth every penny of his 40k a week!!!!!??? Oh and Ngog his 30k. Well with some of these lot on here tonight he's a world beater now!!

Sorry ed but rafa bought 2 players when he first came, luis garcia and xabi alonso, under£10 mil for both. with them 2, they both helped liverpool to a champions league trophy along with rafa's tactics. Why don't you ask didi hamann about rafa, even though he sold him, he still sais rafa is a genius. Rafa Benitez is a very good manager and to say mourinho is nothing but the biggest cheat in the world is wild, he is also a great manager.RedTurk

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:38:28
Like all of us here watching the game, I was in tremendous pain throughout the course of the game. In fact, I think I'll need to go out and buy a new TV remote due to my anger.

Breakdown of how the players performed:

Reina - Couldn't do anything about the goals, guess he was alright, good save end of second half.

Johnson - Awful, worst player on the pitch. Gave it away, and lost it.

Skrtel - 6.5/10. He was alright.

Agger - Slightly better than Glen, worse than Skrtel, I maybe hes still rusty afte the injury. Got better as the game got on.

Enrique - First game ever where I felt he was dominated. He couldn't get Eagles at all, lost the ball a lot and couldn't get past players like he normally does.

Henderson - Played well today I think, just couldn't make anything out of it.

Gerrard - Alright I suppose. Had flashes of brilliance then totally vanished for 5-7 minutes then re-appeared, nothing spectacular.

Adam - Awful, lost the ball countless times, tried far too many hollywood passes. Not a good game at all.

Bellamy - Ran his bloody heart out. He deserved much more than this.

Carroll - I actually thought he was in the top 4 on the pitch. He hardly did anything, but when he did it was something. Providing the assists for Bellamy, keeping possession. He was alright.

Maxi - Looked liked the Maxi that we wanted to get rid off last season. Bad game.

Subs: Kuyt - Don't know what to say, he hasn't been performing at all, still didn't manage to.

Downing - I don't think he even touched the ball?

For the third time this season, I absolutely hated how we played. We were awful. We were supposed to go and make the 19th place team look like children. It was the other way round. Bolton could have easily made 5-1 or 6-1. EASILY. We could barely do anything with what we had.

I really hope this loss brings some sense into both FSG and Dalglish. WE NEED a player. We terribly miss a defensive midfielder. Even with Suarez out if Lucas was playing we would be fine.

At the beginning of the season, we were playing this good-looking pass and move which Dalglish employed, what on earth are we playing now? I don't know whether Gerrard or Henderson were playing on the right left or middle. Maxi was...I don't know where Maxi was, he seemed to switch positions in every play and should've done much better with Reina's goal kick early in the game.

For the first time I questioned whether or not we've taken a step backward from last season. Looked at the league table, we're 6 points off 4th with 16 games left in the season. It IS an improvement, but we need to better than we did today. Johnson needs to be replaced by Kelly and Downing and Bellamy both need to start on the wings to provide the deliveries for Carroll.

What we do now? BACK THE TEAM NO MATTER WHAT. What good will it do to call for Kenny's sacking? What good will it do to call for Carroll and Henderson to be sold? What good does it do calling them useless?

GET BEHIND THE TEAM. Or go on and support another team. YNWA.

Thats all from me tonight.

RenegadeRed

Top post Renegade Red.

#keeping the faith.

Matt S - YNWA

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:45:44
WHY!! I mean BOLTON.. i say again BOLTON. If we had played well and lost then yeah thats fine. But we didnt we well and truly sucked. I need some one on here to find something good to say about our hopes in the league this season because i really cant find anything.

needing help
RussianBiscuit

How many times have we played well and lost or drawn this season though? Out weighs the former by along way!

At first glance it does out weigh things BUT if you look in further, you realise that the way in which we lost and drew those games gave us fans a cause for optimism....this performance and the few leading up. Worst performance since
Spurs?
RussianBiscuit

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:45:14
My Thoughts ON Today's Game

Very very poor all over the pitch, apart from Bellemy the rest of the team need to take a look at them selfs. Kenny hasn't got a clue when it comes to tactics & signing players, Downing, Adam, carroll have all been s**t. We don't need/want English.

Before people come on her and slag me off I got to ask you a question.

What has Kenny brought to Liverpool since his return?

What has he spent over £80m on ?? poor english/scottish players. We're no better off this season than last under WOY,we might have a few more pionts but thats thanks to LUIS SUAREZ.

Thank You

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:45:13
Depressing. Luv Kenny... But I think, Henry will get rid in June. And I would supportvthat
decision

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:44:56
I really hope Spearing is nearing a return. If not, PLEASE promote Coady... I'm gutted after that. Another massive chance missed.

Chance for what? Surely you aren't still dreaming of CL? That is years away. I am only hoping, we can get back to Europa league in the next two to three years.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:44:47
Hey I thought we were playing against Bolton! The team having the worst home record in all 7 leagues of England! But I'm sure I saw a dark Benzema and a lanky Ronaldo against us! :P how good are we at giving morale boosters to bottom teams..wouldn't be surprised if the Championship honoured us for helping their teams stay in th Premier League!
sama491

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:43:55
Bye Bye Kenny, what a load of dross! how can we be so poor against a side who really are struggling?

Outplayed

Out thought

Out classed

Out on your Arse

Big Bill

Thats a lot of outs its not cricket

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:43:03
Why should Liverpool put in a decent shift with "supporters" like these?

I wouldn't bust my gut just to please these keyboard warriors.

Never mind a new manager and new players it seems we need to replace half the supporters.

MIKEY

(what ever happened to YNWA?)

Everyone is entitled to their opinion if they £40 + to go to games or pay subscriptions to specialist sports channels or stay up until the early hours of the morning to watch LFC if they live in a different time zone

Hans

Well for starters Mikey, they all make ridiculous money. Not to mention that fans pay crazy money to watch the games. If you support the team as you say, you will agree that Kenny had a chance and blew it. Suarez the only star amongst those hired, and surely that one was planned before Kenny showed up.

Good luck , my friend , but blind faith is going out of fashion .

On the money they're on, and for the club they're playing, they should be busting a gut whatever. What a silly comment.

Ask the players Mikey?
They are not doing what they're paid to do (put in the effort for us)!
Why should we support players who don't pull their weight?
Come on & get real mate!

Mikey i agree totally about youll never walk alone but hang on mate how are the supporters to blame for the players not putting in a decent shift, If they dont want to give their all for liverpool then move on and bring in others who do

Most of the fans have supported and continue to support our club as do i. However, I am personally frustrated by the fact that a lot of us did say on here that our buys were no good and we are being proved right time and time again. Of course there have been some outstanding buys such as Suarez (who we really miss!), Bellers and Enrique. They have been outstanding. The rest i find it hard to go out my way and praise for their performances.

We can all point the finger at whoever we want but the fact of the matter is, we need class purchases in order to progress in this league.

The reason why the likes of man u, chelsea and city finish consistantly ahead of us all the time, is because they go out and buy quality.

The Crowman

Wake up frm ur sleep! The sooner, the better!

Well said, we were very poor, one of those games

kevc

How can you proudly sing ywa when a you hear is failure after failure. People learn from failure but having 35m failure, 16m fairs, 19m failure, 8m failure is very very hard. When rivals are progressing like cheap van see vaart, little pea, etc etc

Dublad {Ed001's Note - the little pea that is having a miserable season you mean? If you can't sing YNWA proudly then you are the failure, no one else.}

I can understand frustration! I feel that. But alot said on here goes WELL beyond that. Were all fans bring on The Mancs!!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:43:01
The only manager in recent history who gave nightmares to man u n fergi and the only manager in recent history who made liverpool a force in europe n nearly won league.
Rafa d gaffa!
Today I miss him a lot and those european nights.

Red indian

Eh, how good were we in the league under rafa?
I dont know what the answer is but I kow it ISNT rafa!
5uarezTimes

Looking back with rose tinted Glasses always seems better nostalgia is wonderful the fact is Rafa was terrible for the club you should know why if you're a real supporter.

Really was a bad manager, finsihed in the top 4 most seasons, Won the Champs league and a 2nd final. Not like KK we might win the mick mouse cup eh!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:42:45
How much has kenny spent and we are seventh? Just lost to Bolton and one win in the last six! Without Suarez what's the point?

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:42:30
HEY LFC FANS...I FORGOT TO POST THIS EARLIER...

Some fans are saying dont worry as we might win a cup...........however

1. lfc beating man city, then winning the final, and beating man utd in the fa.cup......will NEVER SATISFY ME AT ALL... WHY?

because all season chelsea have looked rubbish and dropped points all the time
Arsenal have been crap this season too except rvp, and they drop points alot

SO LFC .............have wasted chance after chance after chance....of making 4th or 3rd our own this season..and continue to buold for next year.

but everytime LFC play a game we should win....WE NEVER DO IT....even in rafas days.......
i dont know what it is..but if we play man u...we r a force...if we play wigan...we dont make any effort.

so my point is......we have was wasted this season because chelsea and arsenal..will DEFINITELY IMPROVE THIER SQUAD NEXT YR..and we wont get another yr where these top clubs drop that many points...

i honestly trully do not know where liverpool are going...i really dont see any future with this team..just a few good individuals

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:34:48
Rafa, Rafael
Rafa, Rafael
Rafa, Rafael
RAFAEL BENITEZ!!

Rafa took the team to four finals and failed to win any of them . Think about it . Apart from that he did nothing . First signing - Antonio Nunez .

4 finals and won none of them.
Most have been dreaming then because i was sure he won the Champs league and the FA cup???

Four finals and won none - like I said before , think about it .

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:34:33
i think we need sign a new team how bad was we today we looked avrage at best bolton bashed us about on that pitch today somet needs to change we aint got a clue bad times.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:34:32
having just watched the worst lfc performance of the season my thoughts are : charlie adam is not good enough,andy carrol as bad as i have seen him,glenn johnson just rubbish,jose enrique worst game for us this season,bellamy superb,maxi average,henderson confused,gerrard disalussioned,the biggest crock os s...t i have seen for a long time,we sorely miss suarez

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:34:06
Time for the rose tinted glasses to come off - that was an absolute shambles,you could tell in the first five minutes we would struggle Johnson was so poor and lazy Adam well I despair.the tactics are awful and once we go one down we cannot respond.bellamy and agger tried in vain but it was not enough.The bench was uninspiring and needs sterling for cameos- time for the cheque book to come out.Ps bet we turn up on Wednesday and Saturday.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:33:53
I've always said and I'll say again,KD will not be manager comes summer,BRING BACK RAFA and get rid of stupid signings which KD wasted money on,I'm sure if not in CL next season say bye to suarez

Enough is enough its a pain to be a liverpool fan watching an awaful performance

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:33:05
1st half, Bellamy and Carroll were the only players that got pass marks. 2nd half, not one player did anything, was pretty painful to watch.

This isn't bad luck, this is a terrible run of form, and feels a bit too much like 1st half of last season to me. Last season we had the King Kenny factor to pull us out of it, what's the catalyst gonna be this season?

Rugby Parker

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:33:00
eds;is this the most depressing read after a draw?
So,theres no way i can look at the posts on here after a loss

Cue the spoilt brats...to moan,groan,whinge & bitch
this players carp,that players to slow,the other players too english

Matt

Good cal Matt. Lets support the team. Oh wait, are we talking about Liverpool? They are horrible...

Well said Matt. I'd support us if we were bottom of the 2nd div. Unlike plenty on here. Don't mean to disrespect the reall supporter on here but it's becoming a Joke!! YNWA
Lyndon

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:32:35
Was Rafa ever this bad........

Rafa was this bad - you can't remember?

Kenny Dalglish is far far far better than Rafa Benitez!

Yes
5uarezTimes

Rafa Benitez fantasists need to wake up

"Was Rafa ever this bad......." That's what someone posted after the result today.

Let me answer you.

Today was a Rafa wet dream. He was probably out there somewhere applauding the concept of Kuyt as an advanced sweeper.

Don't get me wrong. Rafa was potentially a great manager. He cracked though - just like Souness, Houllier and Hodgson did in the end.

Why do people think we were an
attacking side under Benitez? By the end of Rafa's reign we were playing like this every week.

As someone already said further down the page....

"Can't you remember?"

Plus, if you think Rafa would give kids a chance then you're mental.

He wouldn't have played Messi. I swear to you - he would not have.

Messi got lots of games to develop into the God he is now.

I argued this point with a Rafa loving friend once, who is knowledgeable about the game. He conceded that I was most likely right.

After all - who needs Messi with Kuyt on the wing.

As Rafa would say.

"He is a player with quality and experience."

Rafa always loved "experience".

That young players get "experience" by playing however, was a concept lost on Rafa.

If any of you really think Rafael Benitez would have played Messi... I have news for you.

The Rafa you must be thinking of is some mythical manager..... not the anti-football hoof merchant we saw in his final season.

The Rafa you imagine does not exist. No wonder you want him back, the guy you talk about sounds great.

The Rafa I remember spent his last transfer window trying to get Emile Heskey back - even though there were lots of highly rated young strikers at the club. Players who were just as hyped as the current crop of youngsters.

The young Finnish striker (can't remember his name) was "the most natural finisher since Fowler"
Hobbs was the "future England captain" at the back - Nemeth (who did look quality), Brouwer, Hamill (who I still rate) Mellor - the list goes on.

Pongolle made the fatal mistake of scoring goals and looking dangerous every time he played.

But then, he was also very small, and he was also inexperienced. Out he went.

That was Rafael in the end. He'd rather a Heskey - or settle for a Voronin.

He wasted players like Babel, he destroyed the belief of the likes of Alonso and Riera.

Even Benayoun (mr nice guy) said he was a poor man manager - he marginalised and punished players by ignoring them. Gerrard said the same..... he never praised anyone. (Anyone but Kuyt. Every week. No matter how crap he was. Rafa lovers lapped it up)

btw - I see little difference between the Kuyt of now (when in midfield) and the Kuyt of Rafa's era - Funny how the Kuyt lovers have now jumped on the "sell Kuyt" bandwagon.

What changed?

The standard of his performances lately are just as poor as under Rafa.

Kuyt had the potential to be a very good, even great striker (as displayed when played upfront regularly, alongside a striker with pace under Dalglish).

Rafa must never come back. If we must get a new manager (not advocating it - hypothetically speaking here) - it must be someone else.

Rafa had no money to spend last time... his net spend was low - blah, blah.

Kenny has spent little so far too. £30m net (approx) so far on fees - that's over 3 transfer windows.

Why do you lot seem to think that Rafa (Mark II) would magically have hundreds of millions to spend this time around?

You lot live in a world of make-believe. Of fantasy - like when you look back on your schooldays and remember the good parts.

"The best days of your life" they say.

You don't remember the hours of tedium, when you're so bored and stifled by rules and uninteresting work that you just want to scream.

You just remember the bits that were good. (like Fernando.... how I loved him so.)

My point is - You remember Istanbul. We came 2nd. We jammed an FA Cup when Rafa set out a defensive side to counter the threat of Paul Konchesky (as detailed in Guillerme Balague's - a season on the brink) - Gerrard and (later) Nando bailing out poor performances was the norm back then.

You lot forget everything in between.

If Rafa comes back. I swear i'll cry.

My assessment of Rafa was formed over many seasons - I gave him a chance - the cracks were forming for a while before the collapse.

His team selections became more and more erratic, negative and bordered on insane. His last European campaign was equally marred by crazy selections. His persistence with Kuyt, and incessant praise was bewildering.

The first game of his last season v Spurs... I still remember it well. I knew it was all over by watching that one game.

We'll be lucky to finish 7th I said.

This was the season after finishing second btw. That season - we were the luckiest side I've seen since the title winning Leeds side of 91-92 imo (who were godawful).

As it turns out - we were lucky to finish 7th in the end. I was right - the Benitez brigade were wrong.

I'm still right now - and they are still wrong - and apparently many of them are now delusional too.

BJH YNWA. (do you remember the Utd fans praying Rafa came back after Hodgson..... they know.... Stop embarrassing yourselves. I could go on.... but I hope you get the point. Plus, I think I have typed enough.)

ps - Remember this at all (just sprung to mind) - Aquilani was MOTM vs Arsenal (in the cup) - he had a great game.

The interviewer said "well done Aquilani" or something like that to Rafa.

Rafa said "no, he is not match fit" in what can only be described as a 'hissy fit' (what that said about the other 21 players on the pitch I don't know).

Rafa then proceeded to slobber about how good Kuyt was....

Kuyt was absolute garbage in that game.
Seriously garbage. Jaw droppingly so.

I'll never know why Rafa signed Aqua, but he was never gonna cut it in a Benitez side.

Every time I read 'Kenny got rid of Aqua' and 'bring back Rafa' in the same post - I can only laugh.

Rafa is a major part of the reason he never wanted to stay. When fit, Aqua never got a look in. Of course he didn't.
Rafa was in charge.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:32:28
Our manager is not good enough.I know he is a legend but I don't want to see Liverpool being 7th in the league 3seasons in a raw.
Marius

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:32:27
Low in confidence and a bit clueless sre my thoughts. It was poor defending from midfield and defence that cost use the game, but, I did think that the ref was shocking at times... There were a few decisions that left me clueless!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:37:55
That was truly awful, no width or crosses (decent ones anyway), Bellamy the only player who looks like scoring, Charlie Adam's persistent fouling seems to increase game by game (unlike his passing accuracy). I think 4th place has gone and we were only in contention because arsenal and chelsea have been so average. Need to judge Kenny at the end of the season though, but if we are not much better off than last season questions must be asked simply because of the money that has been spent.

Adman

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:37:38
shocking performance. sick of the sight of Johnson's defending and Henderson's passing - KD please, the pair need to be dropped from the starting XI.

downing came on and did absolutely nothing.

Enrique tactically taken out of the game by Bolton - never realized how much he brings the ball forward for us until today.

Still believing - hope Henderson and downing shape up soon.

Barnes Left Foot

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:37:33
Before people start shouting for kennys head. He is a great manager. But his signings have not lived up apart from Bellers and Saurez.

This is my opinion is that he wants to instill old Liverpool into a new premiership and it just ain't working. There is no rush sitting in Chester, no brucie but I'd prefer Pepe. Now barnes running up at Watford waiting for a chance. Scouting has progressed greatly and if an English/Scottish/welsh/Irish ain't good enough for Liverpool the chances are they won't be. By Liverpool I mean top 4, champions league, where we should be.

Dublad

Enrique was a another good signings

Hans

SAF have many poor signings. losing beckham, ronaldo, nistelrooy etc and still he could managed MU to be champion. KD is the problem

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:37:31
Yet again another poor performance, we look like a mid table team (Very slow and venerable) and that's where we will finish.
We are clueless in front of goal and are heavy reliant on Stevie G, for once our great defence let us down but not half as much as our front line have.
Before I get slated for this remember we have spent big on this squad and we are going backwards and downwards.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:37:18
Thank God that's over. I've said it before and been slated for it especially by the Ed's but we are not good enough and I still don't think we'll buy anyone this window. I fully support the team and manager regardless of who they are but everyone including myself is getting increasingly frustrated with these recent poor results. Remember last season under Hodgson when we lost 3-1 at Newcastle and Blackburn and 99.9% of fans wanted the manager out, the situation is getting slowly similar. If we look at the table we are in a similar position to last season at this point so progress hasn't been made as we all know the saying "the table doesn't lie"
Hans

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:36:59
Hate to say it but kenny is a dead man walking, The next 2 games will say if he's in the chair and the lever pulled

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:36:47
i know you wont post this i have been a red since 86 crown paint days i was so delighted with return of kk but after last 7 games team look terrible please dont give any more funds in transfer market to kk cant believe i am saying this kk isnt the man for the job anymore lets get this season over and hopefully finish in top half outplayed by 2nd bottom bolton no chance for next few weeks we need suarez

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:36:27
Lucas Badly Missed!! Can that be the same young man who was abused beyond comprehension less than a year ago by the Nobhead Faction on these here pages!! Bet he laughing his arse off back in Brazil!!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:36:19
Very poor yet again,Its as if theirs some unrest in the camp similar to when Roy was in charge.Theres no passion or confidence and the football is pretty negative at times.I think the owners will be watching very carefully with the two cup games coming up,our season could be over come the start of February. AH

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:35:53
Well played Bolton.
Our lads really looked flat today, more of a 'training ground performance', only Bellars looked decent.
Nuff said.
What more is there to say.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:35:44
Don't know where to start. Only Bellamy and Carroll(for 20 mins) looked good enough. Time to settle on a consistent team and tactic as plan A. Too many changes for me. Really disappoonting today from management team to striker

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:35:31
Roma was the same like Liverpool last year. How Much they use ? the Team is Rocking. yes we need British talent but where is the proper goal scorer. This team have no good back up. same old team one man show ? no Suarez we are start loosing ?

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:35:21
Always try and stay positive but the last two games have been enough to try anyones patience. Its as if the majority of players bar one or two cannot be bothered. We dont look comfortable on the ball, most players looking to off load it as quickly as possible, as if to say 'Im not getting the blame by giving it away'. Then we come to this constant checking back when going forward. Can only Gerrard, Bellers and Agger carry on forward?
I would now give some youngsters a chance.
Inject some hunger into the side. May as well do it sooner rather than later in preperation for next season. The cup games aside I would give the likes of Suso and Morgan a start asap.

Kris the Red

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:34:48
Can i have back the 90 mins from today, vs Norwich, vs Sunderland, vs Tottenham, vs Fulham, vs Stoke, vs Blackburn, vs Wigan, vs Swansea?
That's 8 games we have been terrible in.
I'm sorry, I'm gonna say it - Kenny has to go!
Simply for signing Adam & Downing.
He's had 21 days to sign a good centre forward who can actually score as well but nooooo!
We don't need any players he says?
Kenny, you've lost it mate!
I haven't any faith in you personally!
He won't be sacked or even resign but he should seriously admit he has made a mess of the summer kitty!
For the price of Adam & Downing we could have had Aguero or Llorente.
Downing is on about £75k a week & is rubbish!
Adam is on about £50k.
They must be laughing all the way to the bank!
Writing was on the wall pre season vs Hull.
Please please go in the summer Kenny!
Sorry, but it has to be said! {Ed001's Note - Adam is on 30k. Downing is on less than 50k too. We couldn't have got Aguero or Llorente to join us, grow up.}

Ya whatever ed!
I'll grow up when you grow up!
Get real, Downing is on 60 - 80k as he was on at Villa.
Llorente was & still is a very real possibility but Kenny won't pull his finger out!
Grow up?
Sad!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:32:24
Im sorry to say but after watching that display we are no way going to finish in the top four! Heres hoping for the cups (sigh)

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:31:39
Proper inept performance today! Surely now KK needs a couple of signings just to inject some live back into the season! Ever since the 2nd half against man city when kk went 6 at the back! We haven't been the same team! Wednesdays game is so important now! Just 4 the confidence of the club: players, staff, owners and most importantly the fans! Come on redmen! We can do get through this hiccup! Y..N..W..A

What owner will give him more money to waste, he knocked newcastle back years and hes taking yous the same way!!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:31:31
that was really hard to watch :(

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:31:14
How do you some up that performance? Very disappointing again and the three new signings of Adam, Henderson and Carroll dont's justify the money we spent on them (and Downing). Do we need to start questioning the managers decisions and tactics because if this was Hodgson he would be getting slaughtered for the recent results/performances?

Agree with you apart from the Henderson inclusion. He did well in place of Adam and honestly looks like he has a bright future in the middle. Downing, Adam and Carroll = 65million wasted. Kenny doesn't deserve funds with that record.

I actually think that henderson, with bellamy were our better performers in a bad display. People need to get off hendersons back!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:31:12
I think it's about time we all faced up to the FACT, that with this team we will be lucky to end up in the Europa league.
Is Kenny ignorant to fact that he has purchased average players from mediocre teams, Carrol,Downing,Adam ?
Enrique was a great signing, Henderson does have potential,
For everyone that says we are in better position than last year. REALLY?
Obviously i will continue to support our club until i die, but something has got to give.
JamieMK

 

 

21 jan 2012 19:31:07
that performance was a disgrace...andy carroll would want to b shot...with half the rest the team..35 mil and only 38 touchs in 90 mins...im disgusted..and dont b tellin me give him time,im behind the team but cant bear watchin crap week in week out...hope the mancs dont destroy us...we seriously need a proper striker r wer f**ked...top 8 would b a shame

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:30:54
I cant defend AC anymore, poor player, then Maxi and Kuyt still in the team, we always look like we are playing with 9 outfield when either of them start. If we dont buy at least blood some of the youngesters, the worst they can do is play good. There was a better tactic to play today instead of playing to Carrolls strengths, whatever they are! People said we'ld suffer with Suarez banned, am i laught at them
JayB

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:30:43
if the owners should sack kenny dagleish then i would actually cheer he is a caretaker manager and not capable of the full job. he doesnt play youth. he doesnt buy players worth the money (except suarez) because he has this sick fetish for english players. he doesnt make changes when things are going wrong in a game and when he finally does they are wrong eg today we were losing the game so he brought on kuyt to score and save it. the only positive was that we were playin good football and now that is down the drain. WE NEED A NEW MANAGER.

It would be worse if he had a fetish for whips & chains, no?

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:30:35
I think we should do a straight swap with the match of the day team and employ a real number 9 gordie, Carroll for shearer. Its so frustrating watching liverpool, please just sign some quality.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:30:22
21 Jan 2012 19:12:14
So many negative idiots, go support someone else. It's only one game, Bolton were always going to be up for it, giving there staring at relegation battle. Instead of being critical and moaning, try supporting our team. I for one aren't bothered about 4 place, beacause you have to still qualify long before the champions league even starts. I would much rather win the Carling Cup, and F.A Cup. Silverware has always looked better than 4th place.
For the people who will no doubt say we can't attract big names, it is a load of bull. We don't need 30+ million pounds players, it's about finding the next generation of world class players, and that is what our academy is doing. I for one am looking forward to the next ten years of English domination.

Delusional idiot! I have supported LFC for 55 years - this is unacceptable tripe and I am not negative - YOU can't see the reality of a poor team that just gets poorer - you suffer from blind faith that s**t team will eventually learn how to do it - no style, no flair, no creativity, no imagination and if you are happy with that I am not and neither are an army of people who have hoped for many years and hoped again -

How many more times is it going to be JUST 1 game??
JamieMK

Agreed with the second paragraph!!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:30:19
I said you guys would get 6th position, im really doubting you will even make that. &th or 8th now lads!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:29:39
from todays game , we realy need a striker , andy carrol is a championship player at best , i wish he would stop moaning and get on with it , i realy hope this game pushes the need for a striker to the top of the list along with a right winger

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:29:38
Liverpool need to seriously improve if they are to have any chance of european football next season. Another 3 points dropped today. Not good enough.

Top 4 is gone - was it ever a reality?

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:29:18
Well what a load of rubbish we was 2day, If kk cannot see that we need a few signings for the starting 11 then i am starting to wonder if he is the right man for the job. We need him to stop changing the formation every game coz everybody just looked lost 2day.i am a die hard red but im getting worried now it seems that we arnt the force we once was.........

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:29:16
That my fellow red men was the worst performance I have witnessed by a Liverpool team since the days of Souness.

I have supported Kenny since the beginning and will do so until the end but the bare facts are that he has not got what it takes to put our club back to the top of English football.

We had a great manager once but we foolishly showed him the door and the irony of it all is that he would come back to us tomorrow if he got the call.

FT

Great Post!

How do you call bill shankly?

Derek Accorah

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:28:59
David Ngog, better than Andy Carroll? not much in it in my honest opinion

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:28:53
one win in 6 games...manager shave been sacked for better results. Not asking for KK's resignation but this can't go on. No cohesion, no tactical approach, no game plan, no passion. How KK can claim that we have a strong squad is unbelievable.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:28:50
Shocking tonight Lets hope something changes before midweek, I think we need a creative player, Carrol was disappointing again, kuyts body language would suggest he could be on his way

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:28:44
Surely after that performance we should be buying one or two new players.

We're 6 points off 4th spot....it's just not going to happen with the players we have got.

Sorry Kenny but your the manager who pick and buy the players so it's your responsability.

Remember no one is bigger than the club and that's including you Kenny.

PJ RED

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:28:41
so kenny do u still think we dont need to buy?? adam is so poor its not even funny, and try changing ur tactics teams have worked them out

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:28:33
I am and always be a Liverpool supporter but seeing bellamy as our only threat so far today really worries me...eds you are doing a great job but please explain to me why we would spend 35mil on andy but won't invest a similar amount on someone like hazard,lavezzi,cavani,gotze etc?I know we aren't in cl but will never get there with average players.Ps..I have used the search button and am reflecting on all that has been said

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:28:32
3 - 1 to bolton, and daglish says we have a good squad, carrol poo, adams cant play footy just fouls, we need to sort this team out NOW, enough is enough, honda,sow, hazard why oh why do we not try and buy players of this calibre. no he buys s**t like adams and carroll. i know im being harsh, but i love my team so much. but this is hurting me so much, top 4 is out of the question. we have got to buy some talent come on comolli and henry, no more daglish rubbish buys.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:28:06
lol so how good are our chances of fourth now? wow

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:27:55
Referees don't even have to pretend to be neutral anymore.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:27:50
Kenny you still happy with your squad? Because you must be the only one that is. We look terrible! FSG like stats, here's some for you, 3 premiership games since New Year, 1 point, we conceded 6 goals and scored 1. We have 10 days left in the transfer window, now is the last chance to make anything of this season, spend on some attacking creativity. And while you at it, lets just bite the bullet on Carroll, not good enough now and i doubt he ever will be. Bellamy is probably the only bright spark in that game for us.

ChrisE

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:27:43
Do you think we should ask Bolton if we can have our N'Gog back now? He played so much better than Carroll...

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:27:28
well what can i say! that was the worst performance to date. lucky my home town team (huddersfield town) know how to win so its not so bad. liverpool players are really letting kenny down. seems like they could have their eyes on wednesday against city and they paid for it. lets hope this is a one off.
huddz red

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:27:23
Carroll has no potential. All he does is complain. Adam is a good player, just playing fartoo defensive atm. Downing is average. Henderson has potential, and worka extremely hard. Enrique wasnt at his best today, but he is a phenomnal player. To think our two best signings cost us 7m and a free transfer for bellers.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:26:50
We need to sign some one because that us the worst I 'be seen my beloved Liverpool play in years. Carroll,Adam, Kuyt,maxi and downing awful.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:25:30
C'mon - how many of us were rubbing our hands with glee when we saw the starting line-up?! You have to admit it was a very attacking formation put up by KD, but didn't work because Bolton wanted the win more, compounded by defensive errors. Cut special mention to Bellamy again, for his goal and tireless running

SingRed

Rubbing your hands with Glee? with Carrolls name on a Liverpool FC team sheet.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:25:08
Well well well
Look what we have here! yet another disapointing liverpool match, well what do you expect when you bring Kuyt and Downing on to change the game around!!
Agree to this if you believe we still need to spend!
one big named striker and one big named winger PLEASE KENNY listen to your fans!!!!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:24:59
Liverpool were CRAP,

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:24:10
i have stood up for our team constantly, every time we play patheticly and a family member or friend says anything i stand up for them but i am sorry i am starting to get annoyed with the effort put in by these supposed professional players
I say put the rserve team in next match and see how they do, it cant be much worse then the farce we have just witnessed
one word pathetic

 

 

21 jan 2012 19:23:56
wtf is wrong with kenny. i'm happy with my team. wtf! happy with a team that lost 3-1 to bolton. he bettr sign a strikr and rw!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:23:42
Straight swaps:-

Carrol for Heskey
Downing for Babel

Well it won'tmake any difference will it!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:23:38
First time poster, read through this site everyday almost, some of the rumours put on here are just pathetic. Anyway, im just here to say, after tonights loss where every player was awful. Its obvious we need to invest heavily. We got rid of dead wood to only bring in more dead wood (downing).

Bellemy has been our star player. Theres positions we obviously need to get top class players in, but we wont get that without champ league football, which i cant see happening with KK in charge.

Bring rafa back and give kenny another role

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:23:20
This season is one step forward two steps back. Can anyone tell me in the history of sport, has any team ever spent 100 million so poorly? We should have just bought Messi and played him with the youth team. Would have atleast one player who can score.

Think net spend was 47 mill. Time to give up on Carroll and play football, johnson has lost it too

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:23:13
HEY LFC FANS...


its clear that caroll does not fit in the team...as he didnt make an impact today, he doesnt need crosses to make an impact...NGOG just showed him how to hold the ball up...

JOHNSON.....has not lived up to his quality he had a few yrs back, kelly is just clearly a far better player now

adam.......goes missing except the top teams

overall............we are far weaker than i originally thought and we will finish 7th this year...why? its so clear kenny has banked on winning a domestic cup to get into europe while experimenting in the league to see if his players fit...........think about it guys...

Are you for real?
Experimenting in the league?
Have you ever heard of relegation?
NO MANAGER experiments in the league unless it's late season & nothing to play for - get real!!

Did you see Carroll in the first half? Good movement and passing, set-up a couple of chances and the goal! He had a lack of service, so didn't get chances himself. He and Bellers had a great first half. Not their fault we didn't defend!

Hang on! carroll played better than most of the team he played the ball to bellemy for the goal got kicked around again the like's of johnson henderson even enrique wer crap its clear the midfield does'nt work hard enuff

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:22:52
carroll
henderson
adam
downing
these four players cost about £80 million
would you trust kenny with another £80 million especially with his belief of signing predominantlly british players.
who's next?
brunt
rhodes
baines
doyle.
i for one hope we don't spend a penny this window.lets carry on until the end of the season,see where we finish (which will not be top four any way)review the season and decide whether kenny is the right man to move the club forward or not.if not then the new manager is going to need all the cash he can get his hands on to sort us out because at the minute we are nowhere near consistent enough to worry the top sides.champions league is at least a couple of seasons away and maybe longer than that when you look at the players we are signing for inflated fees.does any body think that if we sold downing,carroll and henderson we would get anywhere near £75 million for them.we wouldn't get half that and not one of them would get anywhere near the top six teams in the league this season.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:22:51
Crap thats all I have to say, kk HAS TO GO or SC sooner rather than later, they are there worst liverpool fc team I have ever seen, s**tE

The Worst Liverpool side ever?? The love child of Trigger & Forest Gump should be let nowhere near a computer!!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:22:41
Ok patience exhausted.
Kenny Dalglish bought, Adam, Downing & Carroll so he has to take responsibility. I don't care if we beat City & United after this the facts are we need to be finishing within 6 points of the champions each year and we are consistently 15-20 points behind them.
Unfortunately this was the day when the stark reality dawned. We are as far away as under any other regime in the last 20 years.
Sad ALB.
P.S. Johnson, Adam, Carroll and Downing are not fit to wear the liverbird.

Stop following Liverpool then.

LiverBird

Sorry LiverBird but I've been following Liverpool for 37 years so I won't stop now but I will voice my sadness when we consistently fail to score goals or show any heart.
You are welcome to your opinion and i'll stick with my assessment.
ALB.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:22:25
well what a shower of she*p

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:22:22
Hi Ed's

I think I speak for us all when I say what is going on with us? We big ourselves up against the likes of spam united and co but look completely lost against the team with the worst home record in English football. We really should be 4th at our leisure, we have literally no threat going forward bar Bellamy who has been great and big Andy gets NO SERVICE... I just can't understand why we can't give him a decent ball! We bought a 6ft odd striker but can't supply him it's beyond ridiculous we need options up front and soon.

We are a top 4 side at LEAST...

What do you guys think?

Ian

There are 3-4 points which should be noticed in today's game.

1. Henderson should not be played in the right hand side. He is mature enough to handle the play in the middle. He should be trusted to do start.

2. We need to replace Johnson. We have practically no width on the right wing primarily because Johnson offers neither defensive solidity nor offers anything forward.
He played Reo-Coker onside for his goal today and was responsible for our attacks breaking down from the right hand side.

3. Adam needs to be given a 1-2 week break. He has run out of steam. He plays in the midfield and hence has to cover more ground than any other player on the field. Thats expected. Hence the reason why he has been flat for the past 2-3 weeks. Probably why our midfield is getting overrun these days.

4. Carroll is not as bad as he is made out to be. He created our only goal today with a flick on. Yes his first touch was not spot on always today. But he did provide 3-4 excellent passes today which could have been turned into goal scoring opportunities.

5. I would say I am more worried about Downing.

LiverBird

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:22:22
Comment by KK on front of Echo. Downing is even better than I thought. Now if this doesn't prove that Kenny has indeed lost the plot, then I don't know what will.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:22:03
No pace in midfield.Glen Johnson and Adam woeful.Ngog led line better than Carrol! f me,whats going on.No good being motivated v Citeh and Manc U.which we will be.Probably beat both(KB before you start!)And S te following week.Something aint right!

Lol. Keep me out of this mate.
That was utterly awful. Like the team when Houllier had lost it.
Where are you Jay Spearing ?
The Real KB {Ed001's Note - Jay is injured.}

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:21:52
The truth is - Kenny has built a team with playing a wide game to get balls into Andy Caroll - it hasnt worked. It may have in 1993 but not now Kenny

Gazman

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:21:49
Kenny did interview this week saying Downing is better than he expected. I think that says it all. Kenny must have had really, really low expectations. Anyone who thinks kenny is better than Rafa is insane. And please, no more of this "aiming for 4th". Arsenal and Chelsea aren't even mildly amused.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:21:02
I see a lot of LFC fans wanting signings in January. What makes you think Kenny will bring in the right players when he's wasted £70+m on Downing, Henderson & Carroll!!
This isn't a knee-jerk reaction but Kenny has to question his position at LFC if we aren't even competing for a top 4 place.

Gav (disalusioned LFC fan)

Mate we will be lucky to finish 7th :(

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:20:55
Henry clearly outlined we should be challenging for the champions league... we are out of that race in january. Rafa got a terrible deal, bring him back please.. if Harry Rednkapp won the chamions league with tottenham then got them to the final again and then came 2nd in the league with his tottenham team, he would be a national hero, one of the best coaches of his generation.

Most of the signings have been good to be honest. But its just not going away we spent 55m on two players who dont look like they are ever going to come good. I never thought downing was a 20m player, he had one good season with villa after a lengthy spell out. I just dont think Kenny has the tactical nounce of a top european manager. He should have got Roys job and then made way for a giant, Ancelotti?

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:20:23
Well we deserve what we got today, rubbish in the first half and even worst in the second, we all thought it would be an EASY win even the players thought so infect it was an easy win for Bolton, what a shame we never seem to take a chance when it is presenter to us.
Ps: Ngog played better than carol full stop.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:20:13
Sorry but this ref is a joke, yes we are playing c**p , but please he souls be redding sunday league

kevc

Haha, sorry , sould of read ...
should be reffing Sunday league , was a little unhappy when Stevie got fouled and the ref gave decision the other way

kevc

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:19:42
Absolute rubbish. Nevermind buying a flair player, we need a holding midfield player and fast. Lucas is badly missed.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:19:23
Good bye any chance we had of that fourth spot.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:19:20
I always try and remain positive, and never bad mouth the team, but I cannot sit and bite my tongue any longer - ADAM and HENDERSON are an absolute joke.

ADAM has a arse bigger then an Elephant (only rivaled by Glen Johnsons) and moves even slower then one - whilst the season is only half way through surely he cannot continue to be an ever present in the team!

HENDERSON, unfortunately the young lad tries, but his efforts are in vain, he simply doesn't look like he knows where he should play, nor what he is meant to do!

Our "midfield" is in crisis!

And a few more to add, we are very poor.;

Not on the Wing! You've answered you own question!!!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:19:04
hi whats peoples ideas on king kenny i think tonights game against bolton yes another team in the bottom 3 we really have stalled against , is kennys results any different than roys nothing but draws or defeats play well against big teams and total crap with no ideas against the teams we should be hammering am i the only one that thinks we should be looking at someone else ?

In Kenny Dalglish we TRUST!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:19:04
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE can we now go shopping if Bolton no disrespect can make us look that bad we need back up a striker & right winger would do nicely

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:18:58
Bolton have the worst home form among all of the 7 senior divisions in English football! 7!! and we flopped spectacularly there. The first two goals are just pathetic. Adam and Gerrard both looking to attack and leaving the extra man in the Bolton midfield free. Poor tactics.

AG

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:18:43
can anyone remember the last time we had a shot cos i cant -

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:18:23
why is it that liverpool fans now have nothing to look foreward to. at least if i supported a midtable team i know what im going to get but seriously nathan ecclestone is a decent player. he needs kd to show faith in him. james mcclean was in the same position 2 months ago. bruce didn't show faith in him. martin o'neill did. and now he is the rising star of the premiership. we need to try something new becus this isnt working. sunderland did and their season is saved.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:18:13
Guys, this is the 1st time I've posted but feel I have to now cos this is getting ridiculous. What's the point of playing Carroll without wide men? The ball doesn't have to be in the air. He got his goal against Everton away through Suarez getting to the byline and cutting the ball back along the floor. Also Shelvey was very nearly MOM against Villa away, and now can't even get on the pitch. I can't see us finishing above 6th this season and I really think Kenny will be gone in the Summer.

Blame Rafa Benitez!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:17:53
At least Carroll will maybe get a night off from been Crucified!! Or knowing some of this lot maybe not!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:17:49
Ed and Macca I m really happy that KK is not signing anyone this window coz he is happy with squad.Bring someone new here so that he can sign quality whether ist from Germany or British or Spainish.We need success not the nursery for British squad.We want Liverpool back on top not that we want to show someone that we got home players!!Plz Macca dont tell us now that u expect some one to sign now when we are completly down!!

Indian Rajiv

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:17:24
You just know that Kenny will say he is disappointed but give due credit to Bolton. I can see it now. We give credit to every team we play because they look amazing when they play us.

Every team plays well only against us!!!Fact

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:17:23
Another season without the champions league beckons. Time to face the fact that we are an average team now - too slow in possession with too many players who lack any sort of attacking intent. Struggling to score goals and now we are shipping them in also. Not even Gerrard can save our face anymore.
SJ

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:17:01
AC couldn't control a beachball, excuse the pun.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:16:03
A disgrace - i can't really say anything else. Stopped watching it now - so sad

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:16:02
oxdowne on Twitter: "Looks like the high winds have blown rubbish all over the pitch at the Reebok. But enough about Liverpool..."

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:15:50
That's it breaking point reached! We are s**t end of, over glorified players who turn up once in every 5 games

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:15:32
I'm not gonna do the usual ''waste of 70mil'' speech. That is starting to speak for itself. I'd just like to say well done bolton. Great to watch and good performance.
Capetownred

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:15:13
If Football was called "tap the ball around the middle of the park for an hour" we'd be champions

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:14:34
We should sign Eagles, Steinson and Ngog. They looked really good today.

Yeah they did and they are muck so what does that say about us, Liverpool making muck players look good

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:14:33
as stated we signed players because they WANTED to play for liverpool (i want to play for liverpool). wish they had signed them because they DESERVED to play for liverpool. I don't want to knock any of them because it's easy to do from a keyboard but so poor so poor. even the performances are getting worse and were meant to be gelling after 30 odd games this season

 

 

21 jan 2012 19:14:19
bring back benitez

NOOOOO

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:13:49
There will be a lot of negativity on here today, and I usually defend Kenny and the team. Not today. We are really terrible. Bolton lets in an avg. of 2.4 goals per game. We essentially had one shot on net againgst them, and they just sold their best player and defender. I point this out since Liverpool seem to value stats more than reality. Kenny was good at steadying the ship. He has now steadied us as one of the most predictable and impotent teams in the PL. No transfers because the owners are not insane enough to give him more money. Surely their only concern now is backlash from the fans if Kenny is sacked.

I hate watching us play. I know I will be told to bugger off by most of you but following Liverpool is like drinking. You get all excited even though you know you will feel like hell afterwards.

GW

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:13:03
Get behind the team is the right thing to do but we are wasters

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:12:39
wowwwwwwwwwww

everyobody watch glenn johnson get nutmegged by petrov..and then he doesnt even chase back..at all.....what a lazy sod.......
id play kelly for the rest of the season...
cos johnson hasnt even crossed the halfway line

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:12:31
carroll for a hattrick any1?RedTurk

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:12:14
So many negative idiots, go support someone else. It's only one game, Bolton were always going to be up for it, giving there staring at relegation battle. Instead of being critical and moaning, try supporting our team. I for one aren't bothered about 4 place, beacause you have to still qualify long before the champions league even starts. I would much rather win the Carling Cup, and F.A Cup. Silverware has always looked better than 4th place.
For the people who will no doubt say we can't attract big names, it is a load of bull. We don't need 30+ million pounds players, it's about finding the next generation of world class players, and that is what our academy is doing. I for one am looking forward to the next ten years of English domination.

Get real

Are you happy with 7th?

gazman

Time to wake up and look at the league table i think.

Yeah right!! Sarcasm intended

AG

I really wish people like you would shut the hell up for a while. Eternal optimists waiting for the next ten years my arse. Twenty fu***ng years time and youll still be spouting the same bulls**t.

Is that you Kenny?

Listen mate I'm sick of fans like because like you lfc are losers

Name me last top class academy player?? Been 12 years since Gerrard broke through...

Maybe we would not be moaning if they actually gave everything and played with their heart if u r happy with what ur watching and after spending 100 million then ur blind Even ngog and petrol who is 34 yrs old made as look like a conference team.

You are deluded

Talking a load of s**te pal there were b****cks today simple. If there play like that against city it would have been 10-0 easily!!

I agree with you if £35 million gets you players like carrol then we dont need anymore.

You should find yourself a corner!

Excuses, excuses, excuses. Bolton have the 2nd worst home record in the top 7 leagues! And we have spent £110 m for this crap!

Ash

Ash

One game? did you not watch the stoke swansea wigan norwich and all the other ones where we were also terrible..

One game we are 7th in january, were you backing Benitez in his last season. I think you are the only fan that would swap the champions eague, for the fa cup or carling cup. staggering El Pisotlero

With an attitude like that we may aswell not bother with the league then? Competing at the top of the domestic league is the hallmark of good teams - not winning a cup competition.

It's not only one game, it's game after game after game. Consistent Garbage. We all support the Pool. And you can't substitute Champions League for Silverware. Money, Money, Money = Player, Players, Players.

People keep saying its one game its one game but these games are adding up we would have been 3 points off 4th place with a win today and we threw it away
Teams wont keep giving us the chance to get back int 4th spot

I think your missing the point here about 4th place, a champions league place. That would not only increase revenue tenfold but it would mean that we could attract the top players, players who we were interested in wouldn't want to come because we won the carling cup the year before.
You say it's only one game but this sort of match has been all too familiar, especially against a team who are bottom ( werre bottom of the table) who have lost their last 10 games to us and just losing their best defender. Both Chelsea and Newcastle faltered earlier in the day and one would think that this would spur on the players to get a result. So when you say it's not that bad, at present unless something is changed then we can say goodbye to champions league football.
I know people will say "we are a work in progress" I agree in the long term we are setting up a great future but with the team we have now and the performances happening in the short term we are not in a great position in football terms

The Southern Red

I admire your loyalty but the next 10 years of dominance will be by city i'm afraid.
thats not doom and gloom thats a fact.
we cannot compete financially and the acadamy is far from supplying the first team with enough quality players to make us a dominant force.

Is it only 1 game though mate, last time I checked if a time only played that poorly once in a season they are normally higher than 7th!

Feck off u knob...we have no excuses here...we should be up for it too..we r ment to going for C/L...and going by r last 2 results we have no chance...1 win in 6..wake up for feck sake

atlfc70

You are insane and deluded.

Never heard such a load of bs in my life. Get real you fool.

Domination....in the championship!

So many negative idiots, we are fucxxxx crap, why dont you wake up< its been like this for to long. nothing up front< weather you like it or not carroll needs to go!!!!!!!!!!

Dude every team is up but we just don't seem to want to win as much unless its against a top team. If I had a penny for the amount of times I have heard it is just one game. But nonetheless we cannot give up.

It's coming to something when a Liverpool fan defends that performance saying that Bolton were always going to be up for it. This is a team that have struggled to score at home, have struggled to win at home and have just lost their best defender. I'm sorry but my rose tinted specs are in for repair and I can finally see this team for what it is, a slightly better team than Hodgson left us for which we FSG are a lot poorer. We're about 7 or 8 signings away from challenging for the champions league.

Just one game?? Have u missed the games against stoke, norwich, swansea, spurs etc etc, Liverpool have been poor this season at best. Also carling cup over champions league qualification u cant be serious.

Didn't we say this 10 years ago? This team just does not have the quality to be CL material. Too many 'squad' players and not enough fight.

Sorry Stevie you'll never get your hands on the EPL trophy.

LH

Are you joking. The CL is were we need to be to go forward. We can win a cup and get into one of the CL spots too. People are not being negative idiots but realistic fans! We dont need 30mill plus players but we at least need some who are class instead of some of the ones we have!

It is not just one game though, we have been playing cack like this in and out all season! Blackburn Norwich stoke Fulham, the signings of commoli and KK are not good enough for the sums paid, we are a joke at the moment, look across Stanley park at least those players look bothered about the shirt they are in! Play the reserves drop kuyt maxi downing carroll Adam FFS he is awful Bellamy no money yet he plays each game as though he has something to prove ! Take note everyone else and follow Craig's example, so angry right now .

Its only one game!!!!!!?? have you been watching our games recently, least amount of goals we have , bottom of the table bolton , get a grip

After how many lost u will accept that the team is not top 4 team.

Finally, somebody talking a bit of sense. Alot of positives to take from today, as well as alot of negatives. Bellamy and Carroll seem to be playing well together and could be a great partnership, although seemed to fade in the second half. Adam's long balls were excellent, he just can't tackle. We needed a DM today to break down the play and the lack of a DM left the back four exposed. Our usually solid back four looked rocky without a Spearing or a Lucas to help out. With a cleansheet it would have been a 1-0 and a completely different story. Roll on the negastive slaters!

Negative idiots u say only one game give me a break when results weren't going our way but still playing well that is forgiveable but that is an uacceptable performance oh and 2 win silverware this year we only have 2 beat 2 of the best teams in the league shouldn't b a problem no sweat

This is the most foolish post ive ever read, truly. Do you think Ferguson would be sayin "its okay guys its only one game" Do u think mourinho would say "dnt worry about 4th place as long as we get carling cup" This is not a winners mentality. Every game we get fans like you sayin its only one game, well its not only one game thats the point, its every home game and every other away game. We are awful, get real and stop living in cuckoo land.

Leo

Whilst it is heartening to read a post from someone attempting to be positive, you can't blame people for having a moan - that was an awful performance (again). It's any fan's right to moan about their team if they want to. If you don't like it, tough luck - just ignore it and stick to trying to be positive.

Is not just 1 game .
its the draws at anfield its the lack of goals .
a Carroll needs to be sharpening up in the reserves or shipped out the teams we play are invited onto us by the lack of threat against them.
bolton were not good we were very poor accept that a true person accepts what he is told or shown kiss goodbye to a top four now. to say that breaks my soul .maybe just maybe if we win a cup be it league or fa we might get European nights back.
the money the owners have spent has been squandered on lack lustre mediocre players.
we got lucky at arsenal chelski earlier on face facts supporters oftain no more than they are given credit for we are looking mid table as a team now face facts just because a supporter sees problems and voices them does not make them less a supporter it means they care a true person accepts without question its not a loyalty thing that some folks are disgruntled means they care and they have ambition for the greatest club in the world ....

I hope the eds post this..We were RUBBISH and going downhill...FACT...yes, some players rafa bought sent us a few years back but if we go on like this we could end up doing a Newcastle...

Red PG {Ed002's Note - You need to stop putting these snipes about the editors posting your bleating complaints about the team on every post.}

So, as supporters, we're not allowed to criticise a rank bad performance? Most games this season, we've played well and often not got the deserved result. Today we were rubbish and Bolton thouroughly deserved the victory. Some of the players did not put their heart into it and should be ashamed of themselves. Of course it can happen that several players have a bad game on the same day and this was one of them. Let's hope it doesn't happen again.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:11:47
cannot believe what i am watching, we have no clue and actually look like we are the team at the bottom of the league! utter crp

In theory we could still be relegated.

Would be better playing with our C team

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:11:31
is anyone else watching this s**t? and we shud b happy with our current squad?? get real

Dedumms!! Go support someone else matey. That's why fans who support lower league teams. Who won nothing year in year out have to be admired!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:10:57
Right......if the kids we have are as good as people say they are, then we need to put them in now. The players on the pitch in the last few games don't look enthusiastic enough to me. Youth = enthusiasm.

If they truly are the next generation of stars lets see it now because other teams don't shy from playing superstar youngsters if need be. (wilshire, Rooney, etc)

Tom in Wolverhampton

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:10:43
Not good enough dreamers-no chance ve 4th.Not good enough,or anywhere near it,Like got eye on cup games.OH for 2001 squads mentality.Maybe i should be banned eh Mikey?Awful being anonymous.Good job i am-fuming with you brainwashed morons

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:10:32
I don't think Jenny will be given any money to spend after seeing how these transfers have worked out and the way things are going will be lucky to keep his job come end of season

Who's Jenny mate?

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:09:38
we need goals...so who do we bring on...Kuyt...wonderful..but hey..what a squad we have Kenny...NOT

atlfc70

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:09:36
I've never come on and posted straight away but i
I'm sorry we are garbage. The Edds can confirm i have supported charlie from start of year, but he's been woeful last few games. I just cant work out how we have gone so wrong. There is no one able to tackle or close down the opposition. Strange for me to think it and could be classed as blasphemy but i'm not so sure Kenny is the right man to take us forward. He's been a calming influence and steadied the ship but I think this is his limits unless he got a few aces up his sleeve in transfer market.
Gutted and despondent fan

Taffytel

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:09:30
Ed and Macca should we start our new rumours about who could be our new manager?Now 4th is beyond our reach which was minimum target for KK.So should KK now take the responsibility about wrong signings and not looking globaly and give reponsibility to someone else.

Indian Rajiv

Your thoughts are derisory and short sighted. Keep your season targets in your pocket.

You werent even born when King Kenny started winning titles. I doubt you know anything about football.

LiverBird

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:09:24
It ain't over till the fat lady sings still time for an amazing comeback

This is ISTANBUL...no chance it'll happen...

Red PG

I meant isn't...lol...sorry...

Red PG

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:08:46
Liverpool have no chance at top 4 unless we make some signings a right winger and a striker who can finish are needed!

desouza

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:07:54
Bolton=Worst home record in senior English football!Suppose were all being Kneejerk and impatient-muppets

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:07:33
Mancini will be having a laugh after watching as tonight City will destroy as

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:07:12
F.....g useless give them time we are doomed

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:07:09
I am a true red, and will stand by my club through thick and thin. But you have to be honest and say that today, we are completely useless.

As we have been in about the last 6 league games. I cringe everytime Johnson gets the ball

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:07:02
what is the point. keep signing the 14 year olds give us something to look forward to in a decade

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:06:41
Motivation doesnt seem there v lesser sides.aint been for ages.Cups are one thing.But as Mikey likes to quote Shanks-"Leauge is our bread and butter".More nowwith trying to attract players

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:06:41
i cant remember the last time I enjoyed watching Liverpool, even the league cup win - we are so flat. No one cares - this Bolton team are s**te at best - even if we were at home i wouldnt have any faith in us getting back into this. The team is massively unbalanced

Benitez in

gazman

Now you're part of the problem son

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:05:56
Eds please post my posts and replies I'm a new poster and have tried posting several times but somehow my posts and replies never come up...

Red PG {Ed002's Note - I have seen one post from you and that was posted. Only those posts with exteme abuse of the players and manager are being cut. I am guessing you are not looking in the correct place.}

And so they should be ed's. Can you create a "glory hunters" page for The Muppets!! Liverpool Win lose or draw!!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:05:04
if i were suarez i'd leave so then i can play with a team that buys good players to play with and be under a good manager.

What are you doing here then?

LiverBird

It's a good job he's got alot more balls than you then isn't it

When you talk of balls we should do the minimal by signing your posts

Quite obvioulsy you dont....
So you are just a free lancer instead of a Liverpool FC fan......

LiverBird

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:04:16
Everything going Bolton's way atm

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:04:14
Liverpools attack is not up to standard. Dalglish needs to signs asap....
R.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:04:13
You just know that Ngog is scoring next? Anyone wish for a wager?

I will wage another: I will give a million to one odds that Carroll doesn't score.

I am a Liverpool fan, albeit a severely jaded one.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:04:05
Questions have to be asked!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:03:47
hi eds n reds

so now we need 2 goals just to get a point..not happening cause we cant score goals..but hey KK is happy with his squad so we have to be too,,,NOT

atlfc70

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:03:46
gr8 shot by andy carroll, anyone wana see why downing is looking like hes underperforming, he puts it on a plate for andy carroll and he cant hit the ball.RedTurk

I think it could be one of the reasons as no one is there to get in the box on the end of his crosses....and just maybe Carroll is making him look a poor signing...please post eds

Red PG

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:03:44
Shocking display from the ref aswell

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:03:31
are we gona here pocession Stats?We miss Lucas=yea we do.But big squad,others get injuries.And like Keegan said big clubs dont persevere forever with players not doing it,when talking about Carrol.He rightly said Lfc should adapt,but he should more.Maybe they all know nothing to the great Kb,Cozinoz,Mikey,Cul-Hounds

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:03:24
No purchases this window = no European football next season.......AGAIN!!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:02:40
DANIEL AGGER....Guess what?
hits the post...
Red PG

That's what i'm talking about. We're cursed or something!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:02:37
blow the damn whistle, its over already. we are being laughed at. i hope we lose on Wednesday and the following weekend because i don't care about carling or fa cup. season is over for us.

You call yourself a liverpool fan saying i hope we lose? True fans dont turn thier backs on a club

Theres no defendin when we lose against 2nd from bottom team, but it would still be gd to beat City and get into the final.

Carb

Totally agree! This is dire........I can see the headlines on the back page of the Echo on Monday.....' We must do better' 'We must learn from this' 'We must be more positive' 'We must be more clinical in front of goal'.......Last game of the season they'l still be saying it !!
Just when you think they cant play any worse they turn in that performance tonight. Cant keep making excuses for them any more. Total nightmare Kenny !!

Get over it mate I know we're crap at the moment but I for 1will be delighted with a cup

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:02:22
its 3-1 down.Macca tell us from your heart that u still expect 4th place finish?I am watching this in India and getting depressed.I was hopefull that spending so much will provide us chance for championship rather seeing struggle us for 4th place.Macca is it time for KK to take resposibility that he has not spent our new owners money wisely and he should have spent on quality rather then british.Ur views Macca?

Indian Rajiv

Indian Rajiv,

You should worry about your money and not John W Henry's.

If watching ur team makes u depressed you are better advised to go and watch Cricket instead of watching a 9 month long season of football.

Watch and support your team instead of moaning each and every time the team loses. If you are that much into football you should be worried about the performances rather than the results.

It is pathetic to see fairwather fans like you coming to this forum and questioning the team and the club staff when your own heart is not in its place.

LiverBird

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:02:21
Perhaps it is best to cool it with the transfer talk for a while. What owner in their right mind would give Kenny more money? Liverpool look terrible today. We should have rested our starters for a go at the Carling Cup.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:02:12
the millions of pounds worth spent on this team we could've had sissoko but no instead we get adam. we could've had soldado but no instead we get carroll. we could've had a very good flair player for what was spent on downing. at least benites' boring football got results. we need a new transfer policy. please let hindsite is good so we will never make that mistake again !

I agree mate.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:02:06
watching this pile of dung at the moment ..and i would say we need to sign every player that has been mentioned on this rumour site as this is poor..this team is not good enough

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:00:59
Oh god are we crying out for some decent wingers, why play the big STEAMER up front without any service from the wings.

KK team selections are now becoming a concern we are a mix match of a team. Instead of pass and move and style we seem to have changed to the Wimbledon style of the 80s.

Did we really beat Real Madrid 5-0 over two games a few years ago in the Champions league or was it a dream.. Jesus them days are gone.. Reality check KD

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:00:47
Bolton are terrible, but still having a cakewalk today, says it all about us

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:56:30
Awful, just awful. Don't give kenny money he will just buy rubbish again and his tactics are antiquated. We are Liverpool and we seventh but we don't need to spend. Yet more American owners who sign big sponsorship deals and pump relatively no money into the squad, and don't give me sums downing this, hendo that they are pants, Charlie Adam showing exactly what he his an overrated division one player. Does Glen Johnson know how to play football?

Seriously you think the owners should give you more money? You have spent a shedload and its all rubbish who in their right mind would give dogliesh more money.

He will have walked away by the end of the summer just liek before me I hope he stays forever and keep you right where you are mid table

Pardoe

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:56:09
Surprise, surprise... what we are actually missing is a defensive midfielder. One thing all you 'know it alls' said we didn't need against lower end clubs!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:55:52
anyone wanna agree now we wasted so much money on british talent and got nothing?RedTurk

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:55:49
Ha , he brings on Kuyt, would have brought Shelvey on before him. Your a legend KK but you must resign.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:55:33
useless da da da da!!!!!!!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:55:15
fsg shouldnt give dalglish a penny this month , his signings n cost of them beggers belief !!were not talking pennies here, HUGE sums
5gold stars

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:54:56
This is absolutely brutal. I've never seen Liverpool play so badly as the last few months. We are now a mid table team with average players and are a million miles away from a championship team, and for those of you who say 'your not a real fan bla bla bla' I cannot sit back, watch my beloved club degenerate into this s**te and blindly follow.
downing and Adam need to be kicked out the front door of melwood and never allowed in again, and kenny needs to step down.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:54:53
Adam, Henderson and Carroll not top 4 material but then again are Liverpool?

 

 

21 Jan 2012 19:00:04
No passion no spirit do this players know who they are playing for pathetic

We signed players who want to play for the club....and this is what we got...PLEASE POST EDS...

Red PG

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:59:27
Liverpool are absolutely shocking tonight!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:58:27
Looks it's not time for Kenny to go , but he needs to take a good look at his tactics and the players he has signed
this is awful , stoke was awful , blackburn was awful , wigan was awful
this is not work in progress , and we need to forget signing all these youth players as we never use them
just sign some prove quality
K.O.B

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:57:15
another crap game keeper gets more passes than anyone no attacking mids/forwards hard to watch,going for a pint in kenny i dont trust

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:57:03
I'm not afraid to say that I'm deeply hurt and embarrassed by this result and by my team in general

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:54:24
I would have Rafa back to steady us to the end of the season and then look at the situation again. Even if could just help with the coaching it would be great.

Here we go, the panic people are raising their heads again. Lets get rid of Kenny, Suarez will go, Kenny hasn't got a clue. You've got to take the rough with the smooth people. Were people calling for Fergies head when they lost against Blackburn.

Sooty

Thats because man u r challenging for the title u dope

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:54:23
Suarez ban has exposed us for what we presently are, a mid-table side. Say goodbye to Luis , he would be mad to stay if Real come knocking

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:53:51
why u not putting my posts on eds ?is it cos i aint signed it. im billy and ill say it again we will be out of contention for europe on this inept display also we will be out of both cups by the end of the month. kk does not know what to do.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:52:25
KK? not sure any more - club talisman yes. manager, no...

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:52:17
Aldo-kenny got to kick them right up ar e.Aldo-were making ngog look like Pele.Aldp-looks like nothing said abouy defending at H/t.Aldo-If we defend like this against a side at bottom we dont deserve 4th.All reality,all true.But of course we should back this,were a team in transition.In Kenny we trust.Aldo and any realist aint a Red.Wake f in up!

I've lost my trust in kenny

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:52:15
Jesus Christ how crap is maxi

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:52:07
60 mins down and still no change.? Its not working change it. Good managers make changes when things aren't working.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:52:05
Just play Hendo as the holding player. Let Maxi & Bellars play of big Andy who is winning plenty & give the full backs space to push on down the wings.

The Irish Rover

Maxi was terrible mate.

RenegadeRed

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:51:18
If we don't sign a couple of decent players this trans window we have had it! I feel like we have been watching lfc on the demise all season. People say we have been "unlucky" no we have simply been rubbish.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:51:04
Even gerrard having a crap game

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:50:29
what a pathetic display

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:50:21
What a poor defending, No one in The First post when opposition taking a corner. no way we can come back.

R-R

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:50:13
Food for thought, if this was Roy producing these results what would you have to say?

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:50:01
Players like Ngog make me mad. He's putting in one hell of a shift for Bolton. When playing for liverpool, he stood around like a lazy B******.

I agree with you. ngog was a lazy footballer who should have never played for us in the first place. there are players in our team that are rubbish such as adam, maxi, kuyt, downing, carroll, skirtel etc. sell them and get world players. what on earth would suarez and lucas be thinking while watching us get beat by a small team that is bottom of the table?. it is a joke.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:49:30
Tactically inept today - poor team selection. Adam was very poor.
RedTed

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:49:27
how shocking are liverpool please sign some creative players

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:49:18
has maxi touched the ball apart from 2 handballs? this is getting worse and worse. david ngog making use look poor defensively

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:48:51
What the fck is going on, how can we be losing to Bolton who are bottom of the league. Wouldn't mind if they were lucky, but there not, the're playing us off the pitch. Adam is totally ineffective, he needs to come off, move Hendo into the middle and bring Downing on.

Sooty

Because ya team are not as you think, simple

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:48:38
How badly I miss suarez and lucas is unbelievable.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:48:19
so poor. im off to put a bet on sunderland finishing higher than we do this season

djjj

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:48:18
Last game we complained as we drew again.
Offer us a draw today and we will bite your hand off.
Shocking performance!!

LFC 2929

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:46:49
but those blind clueless optimists will point to a "work in progress"" , truth is we are a laughting stock . terrible buys from dalglish , adam henderson n carrol, progress is better than 6th , absolutely no chance!couldnt care less what you optimists say ! weve gone backwards !
5gold stars

I agree too many fans will think we're being too negative and not supporting kenny and the club...but we're realistically we're not good enough...

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:46:41
I dont get why kenny is putting Henderson in the starting line up.He reminds me of lucas always getting the ball to the back.He needs time to improve by staring on the bench, but with him improving in the starting line up the team is losing points since he's not contributinig much. Look at what he has done by starting from the bench, he was awesome even with MAN UTD.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:46:36
Why Is Adam still playing and what's Maxi supposed to be doing this is so painful to watch

And they're replaced!

You got your wish, both coming off, lets hope this is the change we need.

Carb

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:45:46
Pleas take Adam off

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:45:05
I dont care if the so called TRUE fans slag me off for not supporting but come on we as fans deserve more...3-1...come on every1 knows we need quality what r we waiting for

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:44:18
Im not slatin no one, far from it, but bein the late KO and knowing the results from earlier on, the players should know if they go all out and go for it then we are within touchin distance of chelsea even more so than before, i dont know whats goin on but it jus aint happenin atm, still a long way to go so lets hope we pick up

Carb

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:43:31
3-1.Time to go kenny. Surely FSG will act.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:43:08
bottom of league and we struggle ,and second best

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:42:38
Imagine Hodgson in charge and the team are losing 2 - 1 to a poor Bolton team after a frankly poor performance against a one dimensional Stoke team with a formation that was baffling at best. Would the fans be calling for his head? You bet they would. I'm not saying Kenny should go as I'm sure he'll pull the team through this poor patch just saying that he is possibly getting more of the benefit of the doubt than Hodgson would have.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:42:33
what excuses now then? absoloute disgrace against a team like bolton.
lets face facts then?
come on lets have it?

paisleys slippers

Not long left before we run out of excuses...we won't get 4th simple...

Red PG

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:42:22
awful! 3-1. Dire performance so far, C'mon get your act together boys, getting the run around from Bolton!

Kez

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:42:08
...and there it goes and costs us points. Cheer Charlie, stormer again! Thought the Stoke performance was bad, but this is just piss poor. Gerrard and Bellamy can break down defence's ... but nobody else in that team could.

-Shane.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:41:26
Wat am I watching here!! Heads need to roll now!
Gaz b

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:41:02
Omfg our defence today. embarassing.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:40:46
Based on recent performances I have concluded that JOhnson has forgotten how to play football. Gives it away every time, usually in his own half under no pressure

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:40:39
GAME OVER ! Next goal was crucial

Hans

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:39:06
I think that's either the fourth or fifth time when Adam should have passed it outside for a tap in but instead chose to skip forward and blast it off the defender. Each time it cost us points. Rubbish decision making.

-Shane.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:39:00
i agree guys....

adam is just lumping the ball up there...its just rubbish..wheres the passing and the def qualities today..

i bet you a million pound...he will play well against man utd and man city...its always the same with the type of players

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:37:57
How come every time that Agger takes the ball out of defence, he can either find space to run into or pick a pass, but everyone else finds trouble, puts themselves under pressure, or makes a wayward pass? Nick

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:34:05
Andy Carrol is our 2nd best player so far!
Agree?
Edds?

Cheers
Suprised Harry

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:36:13
I dont understand why we are thinking of 4th place after spending 100 million.We were talking about champions and Liverpool belongs to champions.I think age is catching Kk.Thats why he is still happy with squad when we ae struggling against Bolton.Please KK add some quality.Dont judge players on their nationalty.Soccer is global and give us global quality.Ed u watchig the game? Ur reaction as in India i m watching it live and getting depressed.


Indian Rajiv

I agree...enrique and johnson can't clear to saves their lives...we're making NGOG look like a world beater...

Red PG

Macca i think our owners should start for new man then KK because I dont think minimum target set for KK i.e 4th place now can be achieved.What u think?

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:36:12
The Carroll and Henderson badgers out in force. They have been two of the better players. You So called "fans??" broaden you horizons and pick a couple of new players to slag of. Disgrace!!!

Any player can worrk hard , how come they are passing thru our midfield , thats a disgrace!!worst prem lge team were been beaten by minus their best defender,
5 gold stars

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:35:59
Not saying that we are looking at him, but if we're after a proven premier league goal scorer why not Clint Depsey he is a very good goalscorer and that's what we need.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:32:29
Shelvey for Adam and Kelly for Johnson.
Agger looks rusty but we can do this with either Kuyt or Downing for Maxi late on.
Bellers is an inspiration.
I can't stand whisky nose but we have had too many managers over the years who have allowed this type of performance when whisky nose would have blasted them and it would never happen again.
The whole team needs a right R*ll*clkin.
ALB.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:31:52
KK needs to wake up and smell the bacon. We NEED to sign some good quality players are team isnt good enough for 4th and if were not doing well now whats going to make us play any better in the second half of the season. We have the chance to buy a player or more now to why not sign anyone before its to late. C'mon eds chear me up who is looking likely to sign?

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:32:37
Think we could go on to win the game, although Carroll definitely lazy off the ball. Watch him 2nd half dead lazy. Yeah he's had one header and one good pass still lazy and slow though.
Bellamy doing all the work upfront now there's a true professional footballer. Just wish he was 25 would be all our problems solved.
kidmillions

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:31:03
time too get shelvey on for adam give the lad a chance cant be any worse.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:30:43
Also! I was in Isanbul if I gave up at half time....... Need I say more, what is with everyone be bloody patient !!

Yes we came back in Istanbul that is why think about it whenever we're 2-3 goals behind...
we're not good enough for 4th imo...
but i will support liverpool through thick and thin...

RED PG

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:29:08
Adam truly has been terrible, I can remember 1 5+yard pass that met its target, and he's just woeful defensively.

Bellamy looks a class apart on that field, and Andy Carroll's playing great as a support striker to him, some good flick ons and great passes.

Lets hope the goal and a ferocious team talk kickstart this game.

Rugby Parker

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:26:40
Have to say Kenny has been changing his forward line way to much , and Adam is Awful he is not a liverpool player he needs to go off

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:26:06
Even if we do pull 3 points out of the bag here today you have to say that no game is ever a gaurenteed 3 pointer when it comes to lfc lol. Adam and the defence have been so poor , but bellamy as always has done well. If hendo and adam can just keep the ball better maybe gerrard can go forward and attack more instead of dropping so deep. Nice assist from carrol too. Only 2-1 we're still very much in the game. But well done bolton so far they've been excellent.
Capetownred

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:25:48
Even if we do pull 3 points out of the bag here today you have to say that no game is ever a gaurenteed 3 pointer when it comes to lfc lol. Adam and the defence have been so poor , but bellamy as always has done well. If hendo and adam can just keep the ball better maybe gerrard can go forward and attack more instead of dropping so deep. Nice assist from carrol too. Only 2-1 we're still very much in the game. But well done bolton so far they've been excellent.

I have to agree with the commentators, Adam and Gerrard in CM does not work at all. We've got no grip of the game and Henderson and Maxi can't get on the ball. 30 minutes of rubbish. This could go either way, far too open.
The Real KB

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:24:31
i believe in my club no worries if v r loosing rht now support lfc win loose or draw v r d mighty reds v should have faith in our club.
shanks once said if u cant support us when v loose or draw den dont support when v win

What?
InTheKnow

Spot on!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:23:53
A lot of you fans are great, yet some are just an embarrassment to the club, take the good times with the bad and enjoy being an LFC fan. Yes, Adam has been the weak link as well as Johnson. Carroll has been playing very well and is putting in a good shift with Bellamy, wait till the end of the 90 minutes and if the score is the same, or worse complain then, not now.

Alex

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:23:49
Please could we have our fullbacks back.., who's took them and put these imposters in..
Charlie ucking Adam as he is known in my house.., off you go
Kenny.., stick with same team week in week out!
Well done Andy and Craig !
Pistol Pete

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:23:43
Owners dont want to spend over the odds this window...but last january they were willing to spend 35mil on Carroll...very reasonable...and if some1 says the 35mil was payed bu chelsea remember if u have money it doesnt mean u have to spend it on the 1st thing u get ur hand on

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:23:42
Please take Adam off at half-time.
Move Henderson into the middle and either bring Kuyt or Downing on.
Johnson and Enrique need a rocket up the A*** as well.
At times it was Bellamy and 10 donkeys out there.
Absolutely shocking.
We are supposed to be trying for 4th place and have a perfect opportunity to make up ground after todays results and the games tomorrow.

Kuyt is worse than them both

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:23:25
after watching the first half so far my analysis :

we are lacking a grafter in the mid-field.we need a player who can slow the tempo of the game by holding the possession in the mid-field .

adam is technically awful imo.he lacks in our quick passing and moving football.moreover he can't make good tackles.total misuse of that position.

for me we needs to bring some one like mvilla or fernando in the mid-field.

thanks.

 

 

21 jan 2012 18:27:27
sack kenny what a load of rubbish

Not sack him but move him upstairs and get someone else in.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:22:35
I think if it was someone else incharge instead of kenny, he wud have gone by now. Hodgson didnt do much worse. The only positive is the semi final. Who knows what happens with that. The way we r playing...

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:22:08
And kenny is happy with this squad?? Well I'm not this needs to get better and sharpish

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:22:03
Ngog giving us problems and he is crap lol

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:21:42
How does Kenny change it to get two goals and not concede any for an unlikely victory? One positive tp take from an awful first half is that Carroll sounds like he is linking well with Bellers.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:21:38
liverpool are playing rubbish
we need to switch 2 a 4-5-1 formation

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:19:49
Please take Adam off,I can do better than him

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:19:21
Not even half time, 2-1 down and most posts on here are a f......g disgrace. If you don't want to get behind the team then go elsewhere. Makes me sick to see posts like these.
The Goatherder
JFT96

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:18:30
Best player on pitch Bellamy and he came on a free,the rest r a waste of money

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:17:55
Carroll having a playing very well,keep it up Big Fella. He's getting the right service.
Johnson has to go,as good he's supposedly good at going forward,even though he's a December first and foremost.

Jonson

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:17:53
Adams and Gerrard on the pitch at the same time, NO....

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:17:35
Sorry but Charlie Adam is shocking he just jogs about the pitch doin sweet f a

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:17:02
Johnson, adam, maxi has been awful. Carroll looking sharp for once

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:16:55
Is Kenny daglish Benitez with a Scottish accent?? Because the players he's bought are useless!!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:16:21
"If it wasn't for his legacy and 'legend' status, Dalglish would have gone a while ago. A very average manager."

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:16:11
Am not being funny and without stating the obvious but if KD thinks we have a team of finishing in the top 4 then I'm afraid he's delirious.

We are rubbish...

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:15:30
That first goal was like a goal in FIFA 112 when the automatic selection messes up leaving a gapping hole in the defence.

Dublad

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:14:35
We are 2-1 down to Bolton.....not a rumour, its the truth! Let's hope we can come back and get all 3 points after going 2-0 down initially.

Eds, surely if we lose, KK will need to seriously question the ability of some of the players to play for us and look to buy some quality players from Europe cos lets be honest, there aren't enough british players good enough to play for LFC!

Concerned Red {Ed002's Note - These are players Dalglish bought. Maybe he should take some responsibility.}

Ed002 wat happened to chelsea earlier?do you think AVB should be given the sack? surely he has to take the responsibility,no?..don`t be so bias if your editing another club`s page..JG.. {Ed002's Note - You have got be some sort of half witted cretin if you don't think the manager should take some responsibility. And trying to say I am biased when given an opinion is just childish and idiotic. Have you read what the Liverpool fans have been saying about the players and the manager in the past hour? Do you ever look at this page after Liverpool lose or draw?}

You're evading the question ed002.

hehe.

BJH YNWA.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:13:07
Now I understand the owners.No signings this window and no top4.Can anyone explain me why we paid £51m for Carroll and Henderson?Demba Ba and Scot Parker were available for £5m both.Please don't tell me they are young and will come good because we need quality now!
Marius

Whats the problem with Carroll? He's been our best player so far and set up the goal.

cozinoz

Let's not start with the Carroll Henderson S":@ their have been far worse players than them two. Try something new ya Fickle "fans??"

Carroll fee was ridiculous, Henderson less so.

However, Parker wanted to stay in London if possible and Demba Ba couldn't do a medical.

Agreed the money could have been better spent though.

The Jackal

Its a shame he cant score a goal.RedTurk

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:12:54
I know Glenn Johnson as to start games because of his contract but it would be worth wasting a substitution to Take him off after 10. He is a Donkey!!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:12:11
Let's judge after 90 mins

Read the posts fella, most of us are judging and saying the same thing KK must go!
Big Bill

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:12:03
If Carroll didnt try to control the ball and just span off one time passes the world would be a better place, his vision has been excellent. I don't see why people complain about his price tag, it wasn't your money. Anyway, at 3.5 million he has been a bargin.

Exactly where do you think the money originated from - us the fans.

FT

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:11:28
Adam is a joke,should not be in first 11,should only play in cup games

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:11:02
and thats a prime example of what having pace on the pitch gives you.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:10:44
by the way carrolls putting in a great shift goals or not..JG..

I'd agree, he has made a few good passes and has good vision atm, would be nice for him to get a goal to top his performance off

Carb

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:10:41
Wow!!!
What is wrong with our players?
This is embarrassing!
If this was Man Utd. we'd be in hysterics!
Well done Bellamy, but this is woeful & could be any score!
Why haven't we bought a striker when we have struggled to beat & score against poor teams for 4 months now?
Shows a real lack of imagination if i'm honest!
Why is Carroll not fit after 10 months?
Kin ell!!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:09:53
Surely KD cannot be serious when he says he's happy with the squad........no way 4th place possible at the moment.
This is getting worrying

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:09:21
I said before and say it again sack kenny will fans now believe me he is not the man for us,simply not good enough and i dont care who he is GET OUT NOW KENNY......irish kopite

Moan moan whinge whinge

 

 

21 jan 2012 18:08:35
can people who want to say negative stuff sign your name so we can slate you after the pool go on to win this game.....tobiwan ynwa

Well it looks like your going to be the laughing stock then doesn't it!

And yes, I'm laughing at you!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:08:00
Worst Liverpool team for a long time. This can't be allowed to go on. I think Kenny will be replaced in the summer if he doesn't make Champions League - by RAFA.

FT

Shockingly makes last years look like world beaters

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:07:40
Carroll and Bellamy playing very well

KingMiz

I agree, 2 bright spots in a bad first 45.

Rugby Parker

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:07:39
Given up listening to this tripe! For gods sake so much money spent on overpriced, overrated, under talented cr@p, I love my team but how much longer will the owners let this carry on, changes need to be made, we are sliding fast into mid table mediocrity. Rubbish rubbish rubbish! We need flair and we need it now

Shouldnt this be on the Chelsea page?

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:06:39
After watching this first half surely now kenny knows he needs to spend!

Stubborn like Rafa is my simple reply!
We'll finish 7th at this rate!

But who would he buy more british talent?RedTurk

Is spending the answer? The team that is on the pitch tonight is good enough to wipe the floor with Bolton. Is is tactics, is it training, has the loss of Suarez hit them that badly? Whatever it is a couple of new faces ain't gonna make the difference.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:06:19
2 - 0 Playing awful but there is chances in this game
get one before halftime and we win
G BOX

Well weve got one g box lets see if we can show some character and do it
giblet

What i will say though is charlie adam is so poor and not just based on todays game, why does he always try superstar 196 yard passes, slow clumbsy and gives possession away all the time... Come on boys!!
G BOX

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:06:02
Bolton have just lost their only decent defender have struggled to win and even score at home and they're beating us 2-0 with less than half an hour gone. Clearly something is not right, minds elsewhere? Carling Cup semi final distracting them from doing the job tonight? Whatver it is we can kiss goodbye to fourth place and on this form will struggle to make top 6 - we've started going backwards.

Agreed. I know we're going through a rebuilding process, but progress does not seem to be being made. There's something wrong tactically in the way we go forwards. Even with Suarez playing we can't score goals. I hate to say it, but we may have assembled a squad of good players who simply don't compliment one another.

Ya and before all these people come on and call this guy/girl a Manc and not a true fan will they please just realise that he/she is only stating the facts. We all love Liverpool to bits and will support them to the death, thats why these below par performances from players and backroom alike frustrate us so much. It doesn't mean that we don't support Liverpool any less. Regards.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:05:50
Same old Crap, time and time again, how many chances do these donkeys need.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:05:18
i knew it!!...............442....without spearing or henderson will never work........u cant have gerrard and adam in the middle.......it wont work

and now......reo coker of all people scores..and kills the game...im sorry.........but lfc have come to bolton like an aston villa side.......no hunger...no desire....no fight!

and il tell you sth else guys............all those times adam, or caroll, or dirk kuyt, or downing...shout out..."oh we definitely going to fight for 4th, "or we must get into europe and we will go all out"...all these comments you see on sky sports or lfc website..........just prooves its all crap......cos just look today...awful awful passion less team2

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:05:03
What have i been saying all along. Maxi has passed it.

Daniel Hanwell

To who?

BJH YNWA.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:04:59
it gets worst for us. sack kenny in my opinion. the players should be ashamed of themselves. top 4 is gone now and i don't care about the carling cup and fa cup.

Funny how its always the anonymous who want KK sacked

cozinoz

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:04:56
How sloppy are we?
Have we had a shot?

SJ

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:04:50
Kenny has had his time for me. Bring in rafa until the end of the season. We are not progressing

Gazman

Rafa?
Are you mad?
It's Rafa's fault we are where we are!
Get over it!

The same rafa that missed champs league football once in 5 years?

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:04:40
The ball is always going back to Reina, so negative.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:04:28
what the hell is happening ?
Worst defence in the division minus their top
defender and they are still too strong for us?
Need a good half-time talk
Puzzled

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:03:58
Kenny and his joke signings need to go

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:03:51
2 down now with know real sign of creating a chance let alone putting one in

Not good enough

Hans

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:03:47
what a shambles, we are getting embarrassed by bolton, who have just lost their best defender and are near the bottom of the league.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:03:45
And with Kevin unfriend we aint going to get much

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:03:21
We are a joke

Gazman

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:03:21
Bolton Only one 1 game at home this season!!! Think kenny should have a good look at himself!! Wasted so much money buy British policy!!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:02:58
Worst I have seen a Liverpool team play, this is worse than watching England v Pakistan at cricket. Something needs to change!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:02:58
same old s**te... what times x factor on!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:02:42
This is going to take an 'Al Pacino, Any Given Sunday' style half time team talk because the lads don't look up for it at all so far.

always a red

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:02:22
I'm sorry but either we have to admit that we are cack or cursed. One or the other.

I know the match is not over yet but every time teams above us in the league drop points, we fail to capatalise.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:02:17
we need lucas back.

Kaizer

Torres, alonso, masch, barnes, aldridge, rush! shanks! we need them all

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:02:13
Bolton should just sit back on there one goal lead because liverpool cant score were useless at trying to score,game over and no goals ur 3points againnnnn...

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:02:02
What I wouldn't give to have Spearing or Lucas out there right now.

-Shane.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:01:49
Never switched a game off after 30 mins..... until today.
SOUL

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:01:49
Can't say I'm surprised we're two down. This team is shocking.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:01:16
It's all going horrilbly wrong

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:01:09
Got to say it is time to blame Kenny and not the players. Purchases, selections and tactics just aren't working. Nothing to do with time to gel. We need to plan now for a new manager in the summer and Kenny has to gracefully step aside.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:01:06
Adam is MUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKK, cant defend to save his life.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:00:36
Wooow the team needs to fix up actually p*ssing me off now

KingMiz

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:00:26
We are crap! I am a massive fan but we are sh#t. Gerrard should have left years ago!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 18:00:08
Good teams come back from an early set back. We have already given up! If We lose and Kenny says "credit to Bolton" i will no longer support him. He is supposed to be a straight shooter so he should tell it like it is: we are not a good team and he is not a good manager

 

 

21 Jan 2012 17:58:13
We will not score today,we just cant score or win kenny you have to go and stop hideing under ur reputation king kenny please leave now.....

 

 

21 Jan 2012 17:58:03
This team is useless
10th place finish this season.
Kenny gets it wrong"again"

 

 

21 Jan 2012 17:57:03
It's going to be a quite window???? Why when there isn't 1 player on the bench you would bring on in this game, no one to change it.please don't say kyut or shelves couldn't get in any team in the to 10 if they could you tell me who?

 

 

21 Jan 2012 17:56:20
ultra red- why dont you shut it mate, im watching the same game as you, we are abosultely poor, great signings henderson, carroll and adam hey?RedTurk

Your mate Carroll is playing well, redturk - what game are you watching?

 

 

21 Jan 2012 17:54:34
cant believe it, 1-0 down already. we won't win this match now with the players we got. i knew skirtel would make a mistake. we need a striker and fast.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 17:53:06
I love Kenny, but if he truly believes Adam belongs in starting 11, he has dementia. Painful watching Bolton game, with us giving away pass after pass. Why Gerrard not youch ball?

Surely on this performance we dont deserve europe next year

 

 

21 Jan 2012 17:49:48
getting used to this

frustrated fan

 

 

21 Jan 2012 17:49:19
We won't be signing anyone, the owners are not convinced by kenny and won't be giving him funds.

I'm not convinced by kenny never mind the owners, soon as people take their kenny glasses off they'll see where 7th and not going any where.

Dont blame them at this stage. Jose to get the sack in Madrid.

Would you trust Kenny with another 50 million. If it was my money I would not.

Best buy in summer was Bellamy and he was free.

steve068

 

 

21 Jan 2012 17:49:09
Poor start to a game that we should win comfortably. One eye on the semi on Wednesday?

 

 

21 Jan 2012 17:48:45
same problem guys...

gerrard and bellamy.............only players who always turn up to a game...and no-one else does

 

 

21 Jan 2012 17:44:00
If Red Turd was at the game today he would have walked out by now. What an amazing supporter!
Ultra red

I have to agree with red turd were rubbish with kenny

And are you one of those blinkered fans who are happy with this performance and this is not the first game we've played this bad it's just not good enough cheers pk

Get a grip you`s so called supporters feck off and support someone else..JG..

So JG your one of the blinkered few who keep saying the usual rubbish of were in transition and will come good well yes we will come good in the champioship,all that rubbish if your a fan you can't moan I moan because this is tripe but I still support the team cheers pk

 

 

21 Jan 2012 17:42:15
Why do we always struggle against the lower teams! Long way to go so fingers crossed.......COME ON LADS!!

Mark from Selby

 

 

21 Jan 2012 17:40:24
We are 1-0 down already,if we lose today then get rid of kenny and his useless sightings

So if we lose sack kenny so if we win he stays in a job until the next game were losing then ul want rid of him again ur a joke supporter

 

 

21 Jan 2012 17:39:52
WTH x 100000000000

 

 

21 Jan 2012 17:39:45
We look like we're going to get destroyed :(....Cummmoonnn Liverpool

 

 

21 Jan 2012 17:39:39
Have we trained this week at all?

Gazman

 

 

21 Jan 2012 17:39:09
They r killing us...badly

 

 

21 Jan 2012 17:35:07
Wow losing 1-0 already!!!!
Bean

 

 

21 Jan 2012 17:34:56
Unbelievable 0-1 already!

What are the chances of that.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 17:34:50
anyone seen that goal? sorry kenny not looking good mate, no transfers so far and this. RedTurk

 

 

21 Jan 2012 17:20:05
C'mon Liverpool! Let's do the business and get the points and make are way up the table YNWA

Square tomato

 

 

21 Jan 2012 17:18:24
Bolton 1-1 Liverpool.Goals Klasnic and Gerrard(pen).
Esna

 

 

21 Jan 2012 17:14:12
That a decent side he's put out today, should be full of goals. Oh by the way, all the people who wanted torres back, if you saw their game today, you know why we should never touch him again.

Sooty

 

 

21 Jan 2012 17:05:11
To watch the game.

1. Install the browser Google Chrome.

2. Look in the top right (your right) corner and you will see a spanner.

3. Click on the spanner and select 'tools'.

4. Click on extensions

5. At the bottom right (as you look at it) you will see 'Get More Extensions >>'. Select this.

6. In the search box type 'Chrome Live Football' and search.

7. Click on Chrome Live Football and then click on install. (it may download to a holding file in the bottom left as you look at it, in which case as soon as it's finished click there, but mostly it will install itself)

8. A small football will then appear in the top right (as you look at it). Click on that, select 'live stream' and reset the clock to GMT and it will list all the live games available all over europe and other places.

You may occasionally need to install other programmes or the link you pick will only work on Explorer (in which case cut and paste the URL into Explorer), but you will always get every EPL match (or any other). Sometimes you will only be able to find it with foreign commentary and sometimes you will get it in English. You'll get about thirty links and you may have to look through a lot of them to get what you want. You will also get most La Liga matches, Greek matches, Italian matches and French matches as well as top matches from South America.

Someone also asked about viruses etc. Google Chrome is actually far more secure than Internet Explorer so the risks are considerably less, but you should have decent virus/spyware programmes and run sweeps regularly as a matter of course.

The quality will also depend on the speed of your internet connection. If you have super-speed and have a modern HD TV, consider connecting your PC to the TV via the PC socket on the side/ back.

Cut and paste the above into a document and save it for future reference.

RED LENIN

 

 

21 Jan 2012 16:52:01
Come on lads a big preformance from all today. 3-0
RIP Paul Rice
Quigz23
P.s hope Carroll gets a hat trick for you jayblair89 ynwa love it....

Not happening. Lets hope we dont lose by that score

 

 

21 Jan 2012 16:51:49
Someone told me not to be so stupid by suggesting we should have taken Robbie Keane on loan for two months... scores two today!

The issue is how Mr Keane may celebrate his brace tonight mate. Say no more.
The Real KB

 

 

21 Jan 2012 16:51:05
At least Newcastle's goal difference is getting a bettering so when we draw today we'll at least move up a place!

J

 

 

21 Jan 2012 16:48:32
Confirmed Liverpool team vs Bolton

Reina, Johnson, Agger, Skrtel, Enrique, Gerrard, Henderson, Adam, Maxi, Bellamy, Carroll.
Subs: Doni, Coates, Kuyt, Downing, Carragher, Shelvey, Kelly.

Carb

Love all the disagrees even though it's right

 

 

21 Jan 2012 16:42:56
Team vs Bolton **CONFIRMED**

Reina,Johnson, Agger, Skrtel, Enrique, Gerrard, Henderson, Adam, Maxi, Bellamy, Carroll.

Subs: Doni, Coates, Kuyt, Downing, Carragher, Shelvey, Kelly.

LFCTHB007

 

 

21 Jan 2012 16:41:10
Could someone please elaborate the situation regarding Joao Carlos Texieria? Is he signing 100% for us? All i know is there's an 'apparent fee agreed', and we have confirmed interest but thats it.. And if we had a fee agreed (which was apparently agreed a few days back), sure there would be more info on it now.
Ed can you elaborate?
Cheers.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 16:40:15
Reina, Johnson, Agger, Skrtel, Enrique, Gerrard, Adam, Henderson, Maxi, Bellamy, Carroll.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 16:40:10
Any links for todays game lads?
Cheers

 

 

21 Jan 2012 16:38:46
Rumours that Suarez is leaving for 45m Euro's plus Granero to Real Madrid, i'll be absolutely gutted IF it's true, and I really hope it's not!

JMS

 

 

21 Jan 2012 16:34:49
Good comeback from fulham against nufc

 

 

21 Jan 2012 16:30:50
Who else would take utd winnng tomorrow if it meant we were above arsenal and newcastle and ONLY 3 points behind chelsea. Assuming we win of course haha

 

 

21 Jan 2012 16:27:51
So Chelsea have dropped 2 points.
Newcastle look like they are dropping 3.
If we can win, we have a good chance of making up some decent points.
You would have to also say that both Manchester clubs are slight favourites over the 2 London clubs tomorrow.
If all results come true, it would be a perfect weekend for us.
Just need to play the right formation against Bolton and win.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 15:38:36
RIP Paul Rice YNWA

square tomato

 

 

21 Jan 2012 15:20:19
Chelsea drop points today and there will be points dropped by some or all of City, United Tottenham and Arsenal tomorrow. A chance to make up some lost ground? I live in hope but have that awful feeling in the pit of my stomach that come 7:30pm tonight Liverpool Rumours will once again be full of what might have beens. Come on lads put on a display and make us all happy this weekend.

Fulham 4 - Newcastle 1 Latest!
Looking good,
Come on Liverpool !
grab these 3 points!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 15:16:13
what a goal from sessegnon.
look forward to the endless questions about our interest in him again...

x

Lol.
Nice player though. Sunderland have got a star there.
The Real KB

I heard from my mate that we have been interested in Sessegnon for the last two months and will sign him tomorrow ;)

Jolly Red

 

 

21 Jan 2012 15:03:40
I am really looking forward to tonights game and hopefully three points which would be massive especially after chelsea dropping points and arsenal and spurs with tough games and the geordies.

I also hope we do have an interest in jelavic i think he could be a quality signing. He seems to link the play up really well and his always on the end of moves.

I have a feeling shelvey will start today.

Mighty reds

Got a 10ner on carroll hatrick 33-1 haha god loves a tryer hes due a big performance and why not today have bolton replaced cahill? aslong as stevie starting good shot of claiming my 330 quid off skybet:)
jayblair89

Jellavic never liverpool class.half his goals are pens

Good if you consider our record
this season at Pens...

Anything is possible. Oxford CB scored 5 goals in one match with a hat trick and 2 own goals. Now those would be amazing odds...

The southern red

 

 

21 Jan 2012 14:57:51
do you know what im thinkin before this game. if ngog were to be given the same amout of oppertunities as carroll has had now do you not think he would've been doin better than carroll is now ? would like to hear your view

I dont care.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 14:49:29
So we have only scored 11 goals from open play smh

 

 

21 Jan 2012 14:44:25
With Chelsea dropping points, And if Arsenal do tommorow, Getting three points today , will keep us in the mix. 3-0 Today.

Lets just all concentrate on liverpool fc what will be will be .we are in a very good place at the moment lets stay that way. cheers all psv.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 14:43:35
As Chelsea drop points and other teams above us will drop points on Sunday I fear that we will not take advantage and drop points at bolton, anyone else feeling this way

Ya mate it would be typical

 

 

21 Jan 2012 14:41:59
A mention for two ex-Reds in today's Norwich game.... Zak Whitbread and Danny Ayala were both excellent. I'm really pleased for Danny in particular. I thought he might have made the grade, perhaps if we never signed the Greek he would be a regular...
Looking at the reserves and youth teams I'm sure we have a number of young players who will come through, and a lot more who will have good careers at other clubs. The general standard has improved in our club at youth football in the last few years so I'm sure a number will play in top Leagues although I'm confident the best will play for us.

Richards

 

 

21 Jan 2012 14:41:24
I love this website - Everyone has a source liked so closely to LFC.. If that was the case then why on earth is so much rubbish spread about?

My mate's Aunt, who's best friend is a life long Everton fan, who once slept with a Liverpool fan who happens to know the gardener of King Kenny told me that Liverpool are deadly serious and very close to signing Messi for £95m and a Yacht, Alonso for £25m and Flanagan, Torres for a fiver and a packet of chips. In the summer we will also be signing Busquets, Alves, Ramos, Lahm, Kaka and Rush will be stepping out of retirement..

Guys, in all seriousness, we don't actually have any money to spend yet, the Warrior shirt deal doesn't kick of until the summer, although we are not in debt anymore someone has had to pay all of it off, for them to pay all that and then support us with the transfer funds that they have means that they now need to sit back and wait for some money to start coming in before they can start spending significantly again.

Expect 2 maybe 3 youngsters coming in for the rezzers and 1 loan deal for the first team, Castignos maybe the loan signing.

In the summer you will see a bit of movement, Kuyt, Maxi, Jones, Aurelio, Aquilani, Cole, Pacheco, Ecclestone and Darby will all be moved on for free or for a relatively small fee.
The likes of Sinclair and Allen will arrive from Swansea, Rhodes from Huddersfield, Kalou from Chelsea, Castignos may sign from Inter on a perm depending on how loan deal went and we will sign another central midfielder.

My source is myself and I should know..!

FACT

Why is your source any better than anyone else's? Muppet

 

 

21 Jan 2012 14:31:13
Fernando Torres is doing more for LFC as a Chelsea player , than he is doing for Chelsea and , it is Chelsea who are paying his wages to do it .

Qwerty

I can't believe some people want him back.
Even Carroll is on better form than him.

MIKEY

Its pretty irrellevent cos hes a chelsea player and i dont like what torres did but im sure he would have scored a hatfull with the ammount of chances we have created this year and we would have been right up there

up the pool

 

 

21 Jan 2012 14:29:17
chelsea have great players, but they are s@&% as a team. lol

 

 

21 Jan 2012 14:08:28
How the hell does clattenberg have a job? He turned down the most obvious hand ball i have ever seen when that turn coat meirless had both hiis arms high above his head on the edge of the box !

 

 

21 Jan 2012 13:31:10
Come on gang, leave all the bitchin aside for today and get behind the REDS for tonights game at Bolton. In my opinion, a must win if we want 4th.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 13:14:34
Stop Having a go at Carrol
A. He hasn't played many games in a row
B.not Had great service , when he has played
c. if He hadn't hit the bar V Swanse , Jo Heart hadn't made great save at Anfield as with the Fulham Keepr his goals ratio per game this season would be half decent , I'm not saying he is above being critizied , but he hasn't really had a good run in a team playing well

Kenny should really have palyed him V stoke he's been changinf forward a bit to much

K.O.B

He also had a perfectly good goal dissallowed against Stoke at the beginning of the season...If that had been referee'd properly he would have been flying from there on in...Give the lad a break you armchair critics. I hope all the negative numpties are made to eat their words when he comes good... Tobiwan YNWA

If carroll starts today got a felling he'll score a hat-rick an get all the critics off his back c'mon carroll.....lets get behind him.
skurks

It,s not the fact he hasn't scored, all forwards go through lean spells, it's his movement and control that's alarming most supporters and giving rise to all the critiscism.
kidmillions

If the shots which hit the bar had gone in, he would have around 10-12 goals by now I believe. We should back Andy no matter what, until Kenny decides to sell him. Period.

RenegadeRed

We all want andy to come good. but i just cant see it. his control is awfull and he makes the wrong runs into wrong areas. even his heading is poor. i hope im wrong but he just aint good enough .

THE BIRD

 

 

21 Jan 2012 13:01:30
Dempsey is seen as the only 'class' player from a USA perspective and they believe can play for any of the big teams. Would this train of thought encourage FSG inconjunction with the Warrior deal create more exposure of the LFC brand in the USA? So as a potential signing and business/marketing deal would make sense in the short term. Whether he was a good signing or not could be mooted as insignificant from a footballing sense, however I think he would be a viable option despite his age.

We will beat Bolton later, keep the faith.

EVO YNWA

I would have thought landon donovan would be the most high profile american player and if it wasnt for his age he would have been a better player to look at even with his links to everton he,s deffo the best american player about

 

 

21 Jan 2012 12:58:45
The Norwich defence with both Zak Whitbred & Daniel Ayala at centre back - a bit of a turn up that one .

Good luck to them .

Qwerty

Still looking for their first clean sheet of the season...

Red7.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 12:47:05
Just watching the under 18s some really good young players.

Jordan iba looks really promising.
I do like our youth policy at the minute but I just hope they don't overlook the 1st team this transfer window.

I think if we don't buy a striker this Jan then were not going to get top 4.

LAVERS

I think if all our players play to there potential then we could make top 4 easy and if it wasnt for some bad luck and a bit of poor finishing we would be well up there hopefully it can click into place for the second half of the season i dont understand all the doom mongering and calls for kk head it leaves me bewildered all we need is a bit of luck and a few players to up there game i wouldnt say no to a new striker (goal poacher) but overall im happy with how were playing we just need to put away the chances we create
giblet

I'm not being all doom and gloom.
Im also happy with how were playing , and if we did put away our chances we would be up there.

But you have to be realistic the way where not finishing of games is not good enough , and to have one of the lowest scoring records in the league is an embaresment.

We are still in touch only by the other teams being poor also.

We need a striker simple as that.

LAVERS

Sorry lavers i wasnt replying to your post lol i just seemed to reply to the wrong post totally agree with you over our scoring record it is a bit shameful i mean bolton who were playing today have scored more than us im happy with most of the football been played with the exception of the stoke and spurs games i was saying is weve been creating the chances theres only chelsea created more than us if we could just finish them off a striker would be nice but i feel if we didnt get one and we just upped our chance conversion by 10% wed be fine maybe now gerrard back and saurez in a few weeks hopefully they can turn it round i wasnt having a go at you for been a doom and gloom its all the un named keyboard warriors slating the team instead of gettin behind them
giblet

 

 

21 Jan 2012 11:58:33
Andy Carroll Hat-Trick Tonight?

KingMiz

I dare you to put £20 on it mate.
The Real KB

Im gonna win the lotto 3 times tonight.........

Brace will do just fine.

Red7.

Actually i'll change that. An aggressive and committed performance will do just fine.

Red7.

1 will do

trev d

Just 1 would be good!

Lol i dreamt he scored hat-rick last night so fingers crossed.
skurks

I also dreamt he scored a hatrick,
and played a fantastic game...
wired.

Come on Andy! LFC No9!
RedAce

 

 

21 Jan 2012 11:54:54
whats comolli doing at the academy?watching the under 18s losing 1-0 to city,he should be out scouting, {Ed001's Note - he is doing his job, stop whining. How is he meant to scout players to improve on what we have, if he doesn't keep tabs on what we already have??}

Just been watching the match. The Ibe kid looks like a good piece of business.

How about seeing if any of them are ready to take the step up ! that has to be the worst post in weeks K.O.B

 

 

21 Jan 2012 11:44:59
Great news!!

Suso is in the group for today's match vs Bolton.

I want to see him on the pitch!

Cmon reds!!

@nbstw

Where did you find that out?RedTurk

 

 

21 Jan 2012 11:41:22
Can all the negative overnight success wanting so called fans go back to whichever club has the biggest bank balance at the moment.

KK is going to take time to bring back our glory years, but this is the start of the evolution, not the end.

Look at where we was 12 months ago and realize that serious progress has been made. Remember it took Whisky nose 6 years to make a title winning team from basically the same position we was in a year ago.

Our progress is much further along than that, I do not foresee us taking another 5 years to win the title, but it will take at least another 2 minimum.

Looking at citeh and all their billions, it has taken them 4 years to get into this position and they have spent far more than KK has, so have faith, some patience and don't expect us to be winning everything in sight and putting unnecessary pressure on our players, give them the support that we fans of LFC are renowned for all over the world, as the most informed and intelligent fans anywhere.

And for those that want superstar signings, think back to our glory days, how many of our players had set the world alight before they played for us, they mostly came from lower league or unfashionable teams, but they made an awesome force to be reckoned with. KK will see us right, you wait and see.

Red4Ever

Hope your right but for too long now we are saying it will take a few more years that started 20 dam years ago cheers des

Well said Red4Ever.
It's great to see a realistic view for a change. I don't want my team to be like Citeh or Chelski either and am willing to be patient to see proper foundations for the future put into place.
A lot of fans today don't remember the glory years and how it took time for Shanks to develop the team and instill pride into players and supporters alike. There were very few massive signings then either as you say. If we want to re create those days as near as we can in the modern world we need patience and trust and no knee jerk reactions from any one....and in that I include owners, management, players AND supporters.
Of course I want us to get 4th spot (or higher) this season. But if we don't, we don't.....it won't change my view that we have the right owners and manager to take us forward and make us great again.
KJS

Yeh but to be fair des, it's only been the last 12 months or so that the club's really focused all it's energy on rebuilding. It's been said before, but never really given the attention it needs to build that winning culture again, but that seems to be the goal now.

Red7.

But City were signing brilliant players like Silva, Yaya, Kompany etc.etc. We have been signing players with no pedigree so to speak.

Ash

Bet those city players would leave at the drop of a hat if the money wasn't there. Do you want mercenaries like that at our club ?

 

 

21 Jan 2012 11:35:16
hi guys. i hope we win today but if we don't, there will be a lot of negative comments from supporters, about kenny and the team. But after the many home draws and boring football that we have played, who can blame them?. Also i hope we don't get krasic because he is just another poulsen. What do u guys think?. Thanks and ynwa

See post above. Do you want miracles overnight....we've had one poor performance recently against Stoke and a few games we should have won but played good football. It's not FIFA 12 ! Modern fans want it all in an instant......proper teams aren't built like that!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 11:26:06
Noticed with Kenny in the past, that whenever he talks someone up, he then leaves them out of the next game! So for me that means Downing on the bench tonight!

Jimbo.

You were right Mate !

Liverpool: Reina, Johnson, Agger, Skrtel, Enrique, Gerrard, Henderson, Adam, Maxi, Bellamy, Carroll.

Subs: Doni, Coates, Kuyt, Downing, Carragher, Shelvey, Kelly.

lol nice one Jimbo

Kaizer

 

 

21 Jan 2012 11:23:05
Henderson is a class act.

I agree if we didnt pay 20$ mil for him and he was in our reserves everyone on hear would be screaming for him to get into the first team just like suso and co

 

 

21 Jan 2012 11:16:34
Just seem on this site that liverpools American owners what to sign Dempsey and would pay over the odds for him because he is American and eith this new warrior sport deal it would boost commercial sales in America. Apparently it's business. If you ask me (and the rumour is true) then I think its aload of s#!t, football is not business, it's a way of life and there trying to get Liverpool to sign him to boost there sales! I think it's wrong!

Demspey is also a very spiteful and dirty footballer in my opinion, i'd rather not have the likes of him representing my club.

Red7.

Get used to it. Football is a business

 

 

21 Jan 2012 11:11:58
Hi eds and all, I am guessing I'll get slated for living in the past and so on, but I can't help but think if rafa came back would it be good or bad? Firstly I know he signed some crap players but also he signed some good ones too, now given new owners and no debt could he attract the kind of player we badly need, like he signed Torres alonso kuyt mascherano reina agger Johnson and a few more, he won us the champions league FA cup and nearly won us the league I just wonder with our new owners the club is more stable and there might be a better transfer budget could he build a team fit to challenge on all fronts? I know he spent loads but he also had to wheel and deal if he had the kind of money the king spent last jan and summer I feel he could of signed better players because when rafa had 20mil to spend on one player he signed some quality and kenny spent 35mil on Carroll I just think rafa could do a good job with the budget we have now we are debt free cheers DES {Ed001's Note - just move on please. Rafa's time has gone, he played politics when he should have been managing the team and it cost him and us badly.}

I loved what Rafa did for us in 2005, but you say about how he bought us Alonso etc, but fail to point out that he was also responsible for Alonso leaving when he hawked him around europe trying to raise the funds for Barry. I mean, seriously? That was the biggest mistake I think he ever made, and one we are still paying the price for today. Rafa is LFC history, and IMO needs to stay there.

Red4Ever

I totally agree with the ed. on this point.don't waste your time thinking about it as its in the past.
buddy's reds.

Alonso had a very bad season hence why rafa wanted to sell. Rafa fancied barry and so did i at the time. Barry is a good player and still is, so i dont get all this negativity over what rafa was trying to do. Just my opinion but if rafa was still here we would have mata and silva instead of adam and henderson.
kopfiend 1978 ynwa

Was rafa not fighting the owners over transfer budgets and false promises ed? Trying to get and do the best for the club if that's the politics he was fighting then fair play to him, if rafa had kennys budget we would be higher up the table but he didn't and aswel rafa had to sell players to buy some, like spurs were fighting relegation not long ago and we were saying we will be challenging the league in a few years now they have overtaken us but I guess we will be up there soon maybe a few years cheers des

 

 

21 Jan 2012 11:05:27
downing will score today !
also i dont rate krasic
i had a dream tevez wanted to join

Tevez is a nightmare!

 

 

21 Jan 2012 10:41:14
Macca pls, I respect u so I would never slate u. Just want 2 who's coming 2 us?

Thanks
DCZY1

 

 

21 Jan 2012 10:25:09
Hi all looking forward to today's game I really think that it will be 3/4-0 have a good feeling about this.

Quick question to either the eds or my fellow reds (no rhyme intended) was their any serious interest in any proper creative players in the summer?

Cheers

The southern red

I wish people would stop jinxing us for gods sake

We'll dominate & lose 1 nil as usual

'jinxing' no such thing, that is something you say when you are a kid. The game will be open today as Coyle tries to play football in turn will leave gaps to take advantage of..

Another great fan sayin we will loose good 1 lad.IDIOT

STE

Irish rover will sort this out around 5 o'clock.

Hey you who was hurt by the jinxing word tut tut fella you should be on count down you clever lad. ps i see it was me who got more agrees tit

 

 

21 Jan 2012 10:05:19
It's probably a load of tosh from a red top newspaper but they claim we have been offered Krasic from Juventus. This is a quality fast winger. If there is any truth in this then surely we must be interested, even on loan with a option to buy? Could even swap Aquaman if he doesn't go to AC Milan? Some needed pace and skill we require. Is there any truth in this story Eds?

 

 

21 Jan 2012 10:03:29
i dont think there will be anybody coming in this window ,,because i dont think the owners thrust kenny decisions on players ,i think we will get a new manager in the summer and kenny will go back to his old role at the club to save face

How often do the owners thrust?

Why are people talking like kenny's doing badly? This time last season we were sat in 13th, had a terrible squad, and looked like we could lose to anybody, highlighted by the home defeat by northampton town who are about to drop out of league two.

Now we're well in the mixer for 4th place, have one foot in the league cup final, still in the FA cup, and look like we could BEAT anybody when we're playing well. Importantly too, (stoke game aside) we've been playing some exciting dominating football which has got me looking forward to matches far more than i ever was with hodgson.
All this and we're yet to even hit top gear.

Why on earth would kenny need to save any face? the guy's doing a fantastic job

x

 

 

21 Jan 2012 09:53:07
Maxi to score today boys.
I don't know why, but I just had a revelation.
And the bookies beckons.
The Real KB

I may have a bit if that myself KB

Chris in Tamworth

 

 

21 Jan 2012 09:48:58
Can we post macca rumours under dodgy rumours section. Got to be honest no more in the know than anyone else. Total guesswork!! Wouldn't post name Coz he didn't know!! {Ed019's Note - *sigh*}

Your Mummy and Daddy really should get some parental control on your computer.

Okay so, obviously you're either only reading these pages recently or you support another club. I'll try put a time-line together relating to Macca and if I forgot anything Eds/Macca please point it out.

January 11 - Macca says Hodgson sacked after Blackburn game, Friday night no sacking all start to doubt Macca but he simply says he doesn't know what's going on but is certain Hodgson has been sacked. Next morning; Hodgson sacked.
Macca Right!


Summer: Macca announces that Enrique will sign from Newcastle and deal has been agreed on the Thursday, everyone yet again dis-agreed but on the Friday medical announce, fee agreed.
Macca Right.


In the first two weeks of August Macca said Liverpool will try and sign Bellamy, Benayoun and Coates. We tried for all 3 and succeeded with 2, 1 may of fell though BUT yet again.
Macca Right.


He said Gerrard would return on Boxing Day due to him flying to the far-east for heat intensive training, a few days later he was proved right as it was reported Gerrard was in the middle-east and as we all saw against Newcastle, Stevie returned!

His latest one is a player coming in from Inter Milan and from Macca's track record I really believe we are in talks with Inter even if it falls through, don't bash Macca because he does a lot of good.


And before I finish, I remember Ed1 saying Charlie Adam was due for his medical at 3pm that day - a few hours later Adam is at melwood.


I hope I didn't forget anything but as you can see, Macca is the best source on the net IMO. He doesn't need to say we are signing Neymar, Ganso, Hazard or anything for followers on twitter or likes on facebook. He is a genuine lad with genuine sources and we should all respect him for giving us his info.


P.S I'm not trying to lick his crack or anything, just appreciate the work!


Corkpoolred

Lets put you in the dodgy supporters section!

Square tomato

I notice you also didnt post your name. I think I'm done posting on here for a while to be honest. Between the Carroll, Hendo, Adam and Downing haters. The idiots wanting Kenny out and this fool spouting off about Macca I'm just a bit sick of it. I really feel for you Eds and my heart goes out to you, sterling job and I might be back once it calms down a bit. (Hopefully after a nice away win today)
Cheers
KiwiRed

Have a good one kiwi red enjoy your break....... Lateeeeeeeeers

In response to an anonymous troll {Ed002's Note - The Eds can complain and will act when they or Macca or anyone else is abused by the anonymous shoe scrapings such as you.}

I like the banter if i am honest..

But thanks for the support..

Cheers

Macca {Ed002's Note - Sadly some of it went way too far Macca.}

 

 

21 Jan 2012 09:44:01
i hope dirk kuyt gives his best and scores tonight, i am am fan of him, he is out of favour but he is one of the person who has served us for long, we might sell him and earn some money but nevertheless dirk should receive some good farewell

Well said......... kuyt might not be the best player when it comes to skills and running at defenders but his work rate is the best in the league, i will never give away my kuyt liverpool shirt

 

 

21 Jan 2012 09:35:36
i cannot belive what kenny said about Downing.He said he is doing way better then he expected what a load of crap please FSG get rid of this man he lives in his own little bubble. He has no tactical brain,wastes money, and thinks the results have been good.If we loose or draw today i don't think it will take too long to put him out of his misery worst manager we have had for ten years. This includes Hogson

You are a total idiot. how can you say kenny dalglish is the worst manager we have had in 10 years. do you remember where we were before kenny took over last season. if you thought hodgson spent money wisely then you must be forgetting a certain left back called konchesky. were not like chelsea who have a new manager each season because thats not the way football should work. why dont you get behind the team and the manager like a true supporter.

You sir, are a delusional fool who lives in his own little bubble and I think you'll find that its spelt lose not loose. It would be pretty hard to loose to Bolton considering it makes no grammatical sense. Oh yeah and its not Hogson either, the only reason Im picking on your spelling is because the point of your statement is utter drivel and if you had half a brain you would never say that.
KiwiRed

Obviously a manc

Managers making statements like that in the press are common and easy ways to give some players confidence boosts.
Why can't you take it like that?? Even if it isn't a confidence boost that is needed and KK truly believes it, then he entitled to say it.
Either way....it's all good

Rarely does a player move to a big club and play well immediately especially if they are in key a key position such as winger, striker, goalkeeper. Downing and Carroll will come good buyt you are going to have to accept reality and reality is it is going to take at least a season and that is normal. RED LENIN

The thing that i think is bad from the main post apart from him being a total person is that 6 posters agree thats shocking.
buddy's reds.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 09:26:08
If its true as people say in here,and Honda is for sale. We should seriously go at it.
10m what?! We should Even fight for him for 20m.. He is pure class,and would help our team in a huge way. Beside that (just as imoportant) he would sell s**tloafs of kits and shirts in Asia,he would also help us expand our bane in Asia.
He is seriously worth all we can give IF he is available.

I, personally, do not trust fans' recommendations any longer. Fans hype shyte. Remember Lukaku fans' hype. He is doing f*** all at chelsea at the moment.
Leave the expersts to do the choosing and buying, please, not fans who know f*** all.

BooDaBooze {Ed002's Note - Lukaku is just a kid who is being integrated in to the first team. He is playing an and scoring for the reserves. Coates is a similar example.}

 

 

21 Jan 2012 09:15:45
Liverpool fans are so delusional it's funny. You all hail Kenny as a Messiah because he has done better than hodgeson. Get real. Dr Josef venglos would've done better than that. Is 7 home draws against mid table teams really worth so much? Liverpool have fallen so far that their fans no longer strive to be the best team in Europe. Now you strive to do 10 points better than the worst manager in your history. Personally I'd be gutted if Madrid were in your position.

Raul

Apart from his feats as a player and manager, there's the little matter of Hillsborough Raul.
Kenny led the club through that, attended all the funerals, and is still solid in his support for the families. Even the e-petition campaigns recently. If you are not a LFC fan mate, fair enough.
A few dropped points at home pales into insignificance with that.
The Real KB

To be fair Raul, if the uk government bankrolled us like the Spanish do with Madrid, then we too would have an equally successful period.

Dirks Engine Room

I didn't want to offend anyone. What he did for that tragedy was remarkable and noble but you can't give someone more leeway than others on that basis. He should be given the job and keep his job on results alone. Us Madrid fans are notoriously fickle even if we play badly and win, it's because we want to be the best and so set our standard much higher than everyone else, Liverpool were once very respected and held the same high standards, seems like now anything better than awful will do

Raul

Well, we don't have Madrid's boardroom or their white hankerchief-waving fans' mentality.
Cos by that standard, Raul mate, Mourinho should be gone by now.
The Real KB

What standard? We currently lead the league and are still in champs league and Spanish cup.

All I'm saying is a club of Liverpool's stature should aim for much higher than "better than hodgeson"

Raul

You're second best in a two team league mate.
The Real KB

 

 

21 Jan 2012 09:00:14
David Ngog birthday 1st april lol thats why he didnt work out he is a fool
Bilshauketly {Ed016's Note - Could have been that he is a sh*te footballer}

A bit harsh for a player who scored a few for us and kept his head down.

cozinoz

My boy's birthday is the 1st of April and he is no fool...At the age of 3 he already supports the best team in the world and knows who the best player in the world is...Stevie G. As for N'gog being a fool I can neither agree nor disagree with your comment ! Tobiwan YNWA... Stevie G Hat-trick against the trotters....C'mon the boys !

To be fair he is better then the 35 million pound pony tail.

Once that fool don't bite us in the arse tonight!

Corkpoolred

 

 

21 Jan 2012 08:31:50
january will not end in a frenzy of activity eds, texeira (striker version) will sign around tuesday and that will be that.
Already though moves are being sounded out for the summer period, and FSG are confident in KK ability to deliver a top 4 team and win some trophies.
Due to the fact that we are unlikely to finish in the top 4 this season some of the players Dalglish wants may be difficult to attain but one very strong link is to Adam Johnson for the right wing position, which I did mention a number of weeks ago on this site, and is true.
Dalglish asked about him back in November but his agent said he would obviously want to see the season through with City where he is likely to win a medal of some description, and then review his options at the end of the season. Watch This Space!

Do you really think he will be here after the money he has spent if we dont make top 4.
Red-raj

 

 

21 Jan 2012 05:40:18
IMHO we don't need to spend big this transfer window. We need our own Chicharito or the new Michael Owen. Imagine Suarez running at defenders pulling away two or three away from others and we have our little poacher in the box, just a simple pass to him and BOOM....!!


Musicnation....!!

Sounds easy but where are we going to find these players ?top goalscorers cost top dollar,even duds cost top dollar,i think we need 2 top players,soldado and hernandez from valencia,£40m for the 2 seems reasonable.
paul d

I know people have the right to disagree but what are you disagreeing to,are you saying we couldn't do with soldado and pablo hernandez or are you disagreeing that top strikers cost alot of money,please feel free to explain as it often intrigues me that people will disagree with a post without explaining why.
paul d

 

 

21 Jan 2012 04:38:40
Never judge a player by either youtube or computer games. Reality check!

daz

 

 

21 Jan 2012 03:56:17
Liverpool have signed up for summer tournament at fenway park Boston & other games to be played in new York. Minor shareholdings have recently Been sold. Although these shares don't have to be made word is it is mainly Italian American.
From what I have heard even if Liverpool fail to make cl there is a strong possibility of guessepi rossi signing in summer providing eufa position is gained. First game of summer tournament will be against roma who have signed up for competition. It will be billed as rematch of 84 European cup rematch.
Chelsea have signed up to tournament & work is going on to si gn up Celtic to obtain Irish community support for tournament. Don't be surprised if flanagan declares for Ireland prior to tournament. If not a token Irish signing.
From what's been said in American sports lingo there playing the long game with Irish Italian market high on list.
Espur {Ed016's Note - A game I can drive too!! Definatley going to do a North American Liverpool tour this summer}

 

 

21 Jan 2012 01:53:41
I'm sorry but this Krasic story has to be joke, just watched you tube clips and they make him look rubbish. Utube usually has the opposite effect so that cant be a good sign. The only other player I have watched on utube that has looked rubbish was Degen and look how that turned out. This one is a non started for me I'm afraid. Would rather Defoe than Krasic, despite his obvious unsuitability as well, what the hell id rather take Degen back than Krasic. Who was the person saying he would provide the ammunition for Carroll, have they actually seen him play?!?

Wholly unimpressed - Slimboy

I agree completely.He has no end product in the final third ......sounds familiar ?
REDBOY

Perfect signing for Kenny then

 

 

21 Jan 2012 01:47:43
Krasic? Really? the guy is a dead set oxygen thief... cannot play football...

Red7.

 

 

21 Jan 2012 01:36:15
Macca

No need to apologise no one else would appear to have the insight you do

Like most deals negotiations only 20 per cent happen the fact you are giving us info during the process with a better than 20 per cent hit rate says it all as far as I am concerned

Chris

 

 

21 Jan 2012 01:34:32
Team Vs. Bolton....

Reina, Johnson, Skrtel, Agger, Enrique, Maxi, Adam, Gerrard, Downing, Carroll, Bellamy.

Bench: Doni, Coates, Shelvey, Kelly, Kuyt, Henderson, Carragher.

Lets see how close i am.... lol
Lfcjohnynwa

Play hendo instead of adam. Adam is too lazy n slow to play in a 4-4-2 formation.
Indian Buzzer

My prediction against bolton:

Reina, Agger, Skrtel, Coates, enrique, adam, gerrard, downing, carroll, shelvey and maxi

DRAW!

I'm quite sure Hendo would start. YNWA

Reina
Johnson Skrtel Agger Enrique
Gerrard Adam Hendo Downing
Bellamy Carroll

John Henry aint a fool if we draw he will see the reation on twitter

Reina; Johnson Agger Skrtel Enrique; Gerrard Henderson; Bellamy Maxi Downing; Carroll. I'd play Maxi off Carroll, kind of like Gerrard's role a few years back, he will be effective there.

Corkpoolred

 

 

21 Jan 2012 01:00:05
We spent 20mil on Downing, we could have got A.Johnson 8mil van der vaart 8mil and parker for 5mil

I wonder where we went wrong......

Fed up of being ripped off just for being Liverpool when others are getting good players at the appropriate price

Some are saying we are better than looking at Swanseas midfielders, if ours were playing as well as theirs wed be in a better place now, so heres to Allen and Sinclair joining the mighty reds in the summer (fingers crossed)

Get the blinkers off mate,
1. Did they want to come to Liverpool?
2. Where Liverpool interested in them?
3. If Johnson wanted to come to us why would he sign an extension to his contract to sit on the bench at City?
4. One good season doesn't make players great!
5. We are Liverpool Football Club, history has proven we finish the season better than we start, why are people panicking? When we buy players they get criticised, when we dont the club gets criticised. I think the squad we have is good enough to get us 4th, the only criticism i have is the players need to be more clinical. Suarez can score alot of goals, he's proved that with Uruguay and Ajax, in Europe, in the World Cup and in the Copa America, when he comes back from suspension he will be class and show everyone here we dont need more firepower this season, Andy Carroll is improving every time he plays for us. I know peoples frustrations with our strikers at the moment, i feel it too but i believe in them, they can do it, JUST GIVE YOUR SUPPORT. Give Andy Carroll some confidence and he will perform better, who ever plays great when the fans turn against them? The whole squad plays for the club and its fans, dont watch them or talk about them if you dont want to support, run to Manchester City or Chelsea if you want "big name" players on £250k a week, at least our players play football for the right reasons and not just for the big money. Steven Gerrard could play for any team in the world, money thrown at him every season but he ignores it cos he loves Liverpool, he loves the fans, he is willing to put his body on the line time and time again to get us winning games and he'll never change til he hangs up his boots. He will spur us on now he's fully fit. People should be a bit more positive, we're supposed to be the best supporters in world football, lets start acting like it.

YNWA

Rocky

Its not that they have got better players than us its the manager who is getting the best out of them, im afraid but kk has to have the blame for our not so good season, pls buy a proven goalscorer

Well said mate

Despite some of our results, i've remained positive as we have played good football. A bit more luck (maybe by removing the woodwork) and we'd up there challenging.

Come on you Reds. lets smash Bolton

Kop71

BLAME THE MANAGER NOT THE PLAYERS

 

 

21 Jan 2012 00:59:24
I can't deny i'd love to see a genuine right winger play. Kuyt runs like a dog but isn't producing any assists or even much in direct attacking creativty.

Krasic could be a very good answer to this problem. Downing on the left, Krasic on the right, Bellamy and Carroll running out until Suarez is back from suspension. Gerrard and Spearing controlling the centre of the park and the defence has been magnificent for the majority of the Season.

Kuyt will be gone in the summer. I watch alot of Italian fooballs and Krasic is the biggest wimp i've ever seen in world football mate, he's terrible.

Rocky {Ed016's Note - Voted one of the worst players}

Why buy Juventus' cast aways? Suarez is back on February 6th against Spurs so what is the point in wasting more money on a player that is so bad technically and adds nothing to any team what-so-ever? I'm starting to question if some posters actually see these players in action for their clubs before they start demanding the club waste money on them! Oh and look, shock horror, exactly 02:00 Mirrorfootball.co.uk run with this story, give me a break seriously, never read weekend papers, they just write any oul rubbish.

Rocky {Ed016's Note - It is mirror crap typical usual crap}

It came from tuttosport first

Is Krasic good on FIFA? That may explain a lot.........

BJH YNWA

 

 

20 Jan 2012 23:40:19
what is it with people calling for sterling and morgan for the 1st team have they lost the plot they are nowhere near ready yet.no doubt theyl b gud in time they have found it alot harder now theyr playn for reserves than academy.we r as far away from winning the league as we ever have been we need strengthing in this window we need champions league football to attract star players ...... the hawk

Its called desperation...

Chuck Norris

If we're so desperate in the attack dept, then draft in Ecclestone. He ain't a bad forward and nobody can accuse him of being too young for the squad.

BooDaBooze

 

 

 
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