Liverpool Banter Archive February 21 2016

 

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21 Feb 2016 21:29:07
with a lot of fans on here calling for Ward to be given a chance. My question is, does any team in the prem have a first choice keeper who came through the academy, or were they all bought.

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21 Feb 2016 23:16:47
I'm not sure what you would class as an academy player for example you couldn't say Sterling was from our academy but Szczesny joined Arsenal at an early age didn't he? 15/ 16 maybe? That's all I've got.


21 Feb 2016 23:58:28
Joe Hart?


{Ed007's Note - Hart was with Shrewsbury until he was about 18, he played a good few games for them too if I remember right. He signed for City in 2006.}

22 Feb 2016 00:24:05
Surely this depends on your interpretation of 'bought' as Hart was bought from Shrewbury at a young age but was part of City's youth system. Think the same goes for Krul from ADO?

They are the two I can think of off the top of my head.


21 Feb 2016 13:16:22
Let's say we have a good summer and can clear out most of the players not wanted or needed. In your opinions, who would you recommend?

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21 Feb 2016 22:22:54
I would recommend fans with some original questions, not such the were asked here like gazilion times.


21 Feb 2016 19:48:19
Hi ed01 any chance of a transfer update from you.

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{Ed001's Note - it is on my to do list mate. I will try and get it done this week.}

21 Feb 2016 19:58:10
Excellent thanks ed looking forward to it.


21 Feb 2016 22:00:17
Ed002 did a really good round up recently.


21 Feb 2016 19:45:52
Hi eds,

Could you rate the best striker in the current squad., including firmino.


I personally think ings is best, as he ticks all box. sturridge is great but his passing and aerial ability has never been amazing.

Benteke is the ild fashion no 9, good first touch, but there was not any header goals, he is famous for except some amazing goals during the start of the season.

Origi played as winger, most of his career, so yet to prove his credentials.

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{Ed023's Note - Sturridge, when fit is our best striker}

21 Feb 2016 22:08:06
sturridge, firmino, ings origi and bentenke in that order imo. bentenke should be behind sturridge in terms of what he should be capable of but sadly it has not worked out for him or for us.


22 Feb 2016 01:25:13
Maybe our transfers would 'work out' more often if we actually thought about who we bought rather than just splurging money on the wrong players all the time.


21 Feb 2016 18:41:16
Just watched Matip on by sport. I think he might get quite a shock playing in the EPL.

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21 Feb 2016 19:14:57
Was he lightweight Evered?


21 Feb 2016 19:45:02
You didn't expect someone Liverpool football club bought to be suitable did you?


21 Feb 2016 19:59:17
Klopp rates him, watch his interview about Matip.
I trust Klopp.


21 Feb 2016 20:32:50
Are we really writing off a player who hasn't even played for us yet? Surely not!


21 Feb 2016 20:58:27
You trusted BR Ron.


21 Feb 2016 21:05:25
Evered, you do know that a player is scouted over a no. of games and not just one. Also, is it possible that Klopp has seen enough of this player during all his FOUR seasons at Shalke 04 to know if he's good enuff for us? Your post makes no sense.


21 Feb 2016 22:01:39
Had any of us heard of Hyypia when he signed? I've heard more about Matip and its all pretty good stuff.


22 Feb 2016 03:31:25
Klopp can command more trust than BR.


21 Feb 2016 18:32:52
Well at least us out of the FA cup mean we avoid a trip to Old Traford. It can of course still be (not) a trip to Shrewsberry, and the way United play at the moemnt they are there for the taking even in OT but I still would hate us going there again and losing for the third tiem this season.

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21 Feb 2016 20:20:40
Especially if we outplayed them.


21 Feb 2016 23:24:29
I'd love to still be in the cup and stuff them 4-0 at the Theatre of Dreary.
Can believe how negative some people are sometimes - we are out of the cup so you can concoct any hypothetical fantasy you want about us being in the next round. and you still have us losing.


22 Feb 2016 01:07:24
Being in the cup would mean more chances of silver why would you be happy to be out and scared of manure pfft if we played barce tomorrow I wouldn't be scared I would be made up and not just to see luie smiling.


21 Feb 2016 17:47:59
Anyone seen Danny Ings recovery montage. Really good to see the lad making good progress.

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21 Feb 2016 15:40:57
Hi eds have Liverpool ever looked at Jason Steele of Blackburn? Decent keeper and he's having a great game against the hammers today albeit he's conceded 3.

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{Ed002's Note - MOTD fever is this?}

21 Feb 2016 16:06:25
does the name adam bogdan ring a bell boot room boys? been there done that.


21 Feb 2016 16:06:33
I've just wet myself laughing at this.


21 Feb 2016 16:37:44
Make that 5!


21 Feb 2016 17:43:30
"He's a good shot stopper" 😄.


21 Feb 2016 17:57:14
Lol that really grates me every gk should be a good shot stopper.


{Ed001's Note - Steele isn't even that, dodgy keeper, it must have been a joke.}

21 Feb 2016 18:39:36
It was a bit of a joke 😉.
It's like saying "he's good at kicking a ball" about an outfield player.
The real joke is, this lad isn't even a good shot stopper.


21 Feb 2016 21:41:23
nobody can be as bad as caballero that guy actually does all he can to avoid the ball! how he ever got to be a professional footballer is beyond me. No wonder joe hart never looks worried when he is not playing, if he was to play at Wembley I would be thrilled.


21 Feb 2016 15:32:07
Ed's who has the final say on the amount we offer other teams for players? It is not worth crying over spilled milk but Kopolyanka should have been brought in and our whole approach to other teams is a disgrace when it comes to transfer dealings. I admit that not signing Alex Texeira was justifiable for an uncapped player from a less competitive league. I know football is a business but but these people need to use common sense when approaching other parties.

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{Ed002's Note - Mr Gordon is, overall, responsible for providing input from the perspective of the owners and from an overall standpoint of the club.
As for Konoplyanka, the Dnipro owner was always likely to want to keep Konoplyanka - you cannot blame Mr Ayre or the club for not being able to resolve that.}

21 Feb 2016 14:38:02
The post about the real Ronaldo the other day was brilliant and Ed01 summed him up perfectly. I know it's not Liverpool related but a very under rated player at around the same time I think was Batistuta. Unbelievable power and penalty box knowledge. My favourite of all time tho was Maradona. Just so strong and skilfull and had a temper that made Suarez look like Mrs Mangle. I think the only reason he's not considered the greatest of all time is because the English media have an agenda with him.

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21 Feb 2016 16:33:36
loved to watch batigol play, such a great striker.


21 Feb 2016 16:44:59
I think we almost signed batistuta at one point?


21 Feb 2016 20:13:40
Ed can u not do a thing were it says who has agreed or disagreed with ppls posts. So many people disagreeing. Happened with Ronaldo other day and now with batigol, were people being so negative. Unless your all young and can't remember the greats of the game.


21 Feb 2016 21:26:28
@ Bosco

Roy Evans wanted him to partner Fowler, whether it reached the point of "almost signing" him is another matter.


21 Feb 2016 22:39:36
When Roy Keane gave the ball away to Batistuta in Euro game his reaction said it all, didn't even chase he knew it was a goal.


21 Feb 2016 22:47:19
Des Walker was asked about facing Batistuta, " has he ever got past you" no said Des he just shoots and usually scores before I get near him. Probably one of the most clinical efficient strikers I've ever seen.


21 Feb 2016 11:07:29
Hi ed002,
I am not able to find were u have written about summary targets would love to read the post of our summer target so.
Regards ynwa.

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{Ed002's Note - It has been reposted.}

21 Feb 2016 13:41:06
On which site is that ed?


{Ed002's Note - It is on the Transfer page.}

21 Feb 2016 12:33:27
Just like to apologise to Ed002 for the "abuse" he got for giving us information he knows at the time.

And on a personal note, I was looking forward to the read of what he wrote and when I finally sat down in the local with a few pints, I was annoyed to find it has disappeared due to idiotness.

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21 Feb 2016 10:34:38
On the summer transfers: I'd more than happy with begovic think he's a very good keeper and too good to sit on Chelsea's or anybody's bench week in week out. I don't think our full backs need immediate attention although Moreno is sometimes a bit irratic, for me Joe Gomez and flanno would give us solid full back positions. Never seen Matip play but if he's any good he could tighten up the centre of our very leaky defence! Would be great if he was the next sammi hyppia! Can't see much movement coming in in middle of mid except the business we've already put in place. maybe Joe Allen and teixeira to depart to reduce the numbers. Let's shift ballo and benteke bring markovic back from his loan for the width we so much need and hope klopp finds a gem or 2 out there! YNWA.

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21 Feb 2016 11:35:43
Clyne will hold RB. Then Moreno/ Gomez for LB and Flannagan cover for both. Wisdom aswell. I read that Matip had been an ever present this season, which makes me wonder why he's being allowed to leave?
Iv not seen anything of him to know if he will be 1st choice or back up. Anyone else seen enough to pass comment?


{Ed001's Note - Matip turned down a new contract. He is leaving out of choice.}

21 Feb 2016 11:38:05
Begovich would be a great shout- I reckon he would gain us about 10 points a season over mignolet, and I am convinced we will not have enough outfield quality next season to make up for the points mignolet will cost us, which means we will not make the CL as long as he is our first choice keeper.
He just costs you too many points each season, and unless you have a suarez up front you can't score enough to compensate for that loss of points.
But you just know the club will find a way of deciding its a bad idea to move for begovich.
They'll spend 25m on a luxury player like lallana that we don't need, and they will find a reason not to spend 10m to strengthen the second most important position on the pitch.
Collectively they repeatedly demonstrate all of the intelligence and sense of a stunned gerbil.
No, I'm being unfair on the gerbil- it will make the right decisions required to survive and thrive- this shower are just going to continue dragging the club into major debt and major problems, and we will never have real success whilst they are working as they currently do.
The biggest demonstration of their utter collective incompetence is that after costing us about ten points every season, mignolet is still there and still first choice.
Its impossible to imagine chelsea, utd, or city giving a regular starting place to such an unreliable and shaky keeper.


21 Feb 2016 12:03:48
Totally agree, we have enough "luxury" players I'm not saying they're bad players but IMO we need more players who won't go missing in games and can stand up when the going gets tough. Players who can also play too. Chelsea demonstrate this well (not so much this season) they have a good mix of flair and strong technically gifted players who grind out results when the team aren't performing but also turn it on when it counts.


21 Feb 2016 12:07:05
Matip will be first choice.


21 Feb 2016 12:56:33
Gomez isn't a great left full him and Matip give them a go.


21 Feb 2016 13:33:14
For the love of God, Gomez is a CB and Not a LB which is why IMO, he may have had decent games but I wasn't impressed overall. We have a ready made FB in Brad Smith so why play a CB at LB exactly? Play the CB at CB and stop with this square peg in round hole nonsense. As for Moreno, he's aweful and needs to be sold.


21 Feb 2016 15:50:36
No such thing as a 'luxury' player.

Theres players that stand up and be counted and then those that let the side down and don't want to get their hands dirty when the going gets tough.

Its where the expression that you should field an 11 of players who could all be captain comes from.


21 Feb 2016 09:58:04
Thanks for reply on Danny ings.
Has it stalled because he's injured and they can't evaluate or is this a normal time frame?
Appreciate your guys knowledge and hard work.

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{Ed002's Note - No, it has stalled because one of the clubs has been screwing around.}

21 Feb 2016 10:57:15
Here we go! Let me guess ed002, it's liverpool screwing around?


{Ed002's Note - Yes, and it has very much upset Burnley.}

21 Feb 2016 11:46:12
Us Ed2?


{Ed002's Note - Yes.}

21 Feb 2016 12:22:57
I bet the Liverpool owners are not happy as they like to do business fast and efficiently.


21 Feb 2016 12:59:10
Burnley are upset? That's it, no way I'll be able to sleep tonight.


{Ed002's Note - I am sure you will learn to live with your ignorance and complete lack of respect for other.}

21 Feb 2016 16:17:32
its a disgrace we have not sorted this out by know. if it was Liverpool waiting to be paid we would be outraged. why we don't just give them £10million rising to £12million and have done with it. Amazing it has been allowed to drag on this long. we don't like it when we think other clubs mess us around regarding transfers yet we cannot sit down and sort out what should be a simple issue. After all he was never going to be a free transfer we knew all along money would have to change hands.


21 Feb 2016 17:46:52
Isn't it up to the authorities to decide the price if the clubs don't agree?


{Ed002's Note - No, an independent tribunal would set the price but Liverpool persisted with saying they could agree with Burnley. It will go to tribunal.}

21 Feb 2016 18:37:23
I see. An independent tribunal. I wonder what kind of people sit on that. They must know something about football so it would be difficult to find people completely independent/ unbiased.


{Ed002's Note - The tribunal will be chaired by someone with an appropriate background in law - a sports barrister would be an example. The other members will be representatives of the LMA, PFA, Premier League and the Championship. They will be unbiased although no doubt many of the paranoid Liverpool fans will see some reason to think everyone is out to make things worse for Liverpool. I expect it to be resolved very soon as Burnley are making a fuss now.}

21 Feb 2016 20:02:07
Sounds expensive Ed.

I suppose it will be added to the transfer costs?
Out of interest, will the player's agent still get a fee?


{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what you mean by "expensive". The fee for the agent and other costs have already been agreed and paid.}

21 Feb 2016 20:58:25
I just assumed getting all those individuals together for the tribunal would be costly. Sports barrister sounds expensive, I imagine they're on a decent hourly fee.


21 Feb 2016 07:58:53
Hsf and others - email me if you like and I can send the txt. Assuming that's ok with ed002 of course. check my profile for my email addy.

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{Ed002's Note - I will post it again later.}+

21 Feb 2016 07:30:49
Did the Danny Ings price saga ever get sorted out?
Cheers.

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{Ed002's Note - Not yet.}

21 Feb 2016 03:17:09
after reading ed002 brilliant summary of who Liverpool might sign in the summer i'm going to stick my neck out and predict we will sign dennis praet and sell lazar markovic, I have no inside knowledge its just a predicition. question for ed002 do you expect more players to go out than gets bought in as you have mentioned we have to many players on our books which in itself brings a huge wage bill?

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{Ed002's Note - The club has a squad far larger than necessary but many of them are younger players that are unlikely to make it at Liverpool. They also need to decide to do with the likes of Teixeira who is averaging a game or two a season and clearly is not part of the long term plans.}

21 Feb 2016 09:59:08
I doubt Praet will be a upgrade on what we already have. A decent enough player but a pacy winger like Promes or Gokhan Tore might be a better option than splurging on another CAM. A lot will dependon if we are in Europe next season or not. If no Europe, then Markovic will probably be given a chance instead of signing another winger.


21 Feb 2016 12:57:56
What should I search to find this.


{Ed002's Note - Ozdoev.}

21 Feb 2016 06:42:02
I think next season is time when we start e new "golden era" I am soon 62 and have seen ups and downs, lately not so much up, and my feeling is that Klopp will take us to the top again.

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21 Feb 2016 08:36:30
Nice one mate, a solid gold believer!

I definitely think we are going to continue to progress under Jürgen. It's not so much what we'll win, it's that the club will get back on the right track and start fulfilling its potential.


21 Feb 2016 18:51:36
Agree with you there ron.

The big question is just how much will have to change?

The squad, the transfer policy, the executives and suits, backroom staff, the owners, the debt and just the overall culture of the club, there's problems at every level, some more long term than others but how will we deal with them? I guess klopp can only do so much but it looks like the owners will leave in 2017, there's a lot of question marks over the bigger picture of the club as a whole.


21 Feb 2016 06:34:36
Not sure if you're still answering questions on footie players Ed001 but I'm interested in what you think of Beckham, probably one of the most famous and recognisable player in the world, must admit I hate Man U but I thought him and Scoles were exceptional players.

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{Ed001's Note - good crosser and passer, but lacked skill, had no pace and was completely one footed. He worked his backside off, both in training and in matches, but could be a headless chicken at times, getting caught out trying to do too much. He lacked the intelligence to be a great player, I can remember one game for England everyone lauded him for the free kick goal he scored against Greece, but glossed over the fact that the Greeks only scored their goals because he was caught completely out of position and they attacked down that side.

He was a very good player, but his complete lack of tactical awareness stopped him being a truly great one. His desire to be involved in everything was a weakness in the systems he played in, which relied on width from wingers.}

21 Feb 2016 06:53:12
Thanks Ed I appreciate your answer, I watched gazza play when he was at Spurs and my own personal opinion is that he was one of the greatest English player I've seen, as for England, Shearer and Lineker our best strikers not a big fan off Rooney to be honest.


{Ed001's Note - I have to say I am not a big fan of Lineker, too lazy for my liking. He never got booked because he never made any effort to challenge anyone. It was signing him that cost Everton a title, as he strolled around unlike Andy Gray who led the line for them.}

21 Feb 2016 07:08:29
I agree with you about Gazza, Sid - he had exceptional ability. But for me, Beckham was pretty over-rated and had a limited skill set compared to others. Basically he was very good at passing and crossing but just ok at everything else. To give him some credit though, he practically won that match that match against Greece by himself - his work rate in the second half was phenomenal and the winning free kick sublime.


{Ed001's Note - except that he never did any such thing as they only scored because he was off chasing around in midfield. Both goals came down his side while he was missing.}

21 Feb 2016 07:19:34
Also, I lost count of the number of free kicks he'd already had in the game but wasted. That said, his effectiveness for Manu, particularly his feeding of van nistleroy, was priceless.


21 Feb 2016 09:17:16
I agree with the comments about Beckham in general. Having said that, I can't remember a player who had greater command of what the ball did once it left his foot. A truly unique striker of the ball.


21 Feb 2016 10:59:25
Only England could win a game 2-2 😄

I never understood the fuss about Beckham, a one trick pony.


21 Feb 2016 11:29:31
To the disagrees from my above post. You don't agree that he was effective in his role at Manu? You also don't agree that his crosses to van nistleroy were excellent? I can only assume you're too young to have seen him play back then. I didn't suggest he could beat a man no end, or could tackle like Roy Keane.


21 Feb 2016 11:31:11
For years I have argued that Beckham was not as good as his superstar stardom says! Agree with ed that he only had a right foot. Yes it was a great right and so on.
Tactical awareness, pace, control. Tackling, heading the ball. Without Gary Neville behind him sorting out his lack ground to make up he wouldn't be no more than a David Bentley in my eyes.

Ed. would you consider posting a all time premier league 11 and all time Liverpool 11?


{Ed001's Note - I have added those to my to do list. My memory is not good enough to do one off the top of my head. I end up forgetting 90% of the players I would have put in there otherwise!}

21 Feb 2016 11:36:14
Beckham page is it now!


21 Feb 2016 11:41:09
Beckham did a lot for football that was not just down to his ability. Yes he was a model professional, but so were Scholes, Giggs and both Neville's. He worked extremely hard on his stregnths and his dead ball ability was superb.
He was more effective as a football advertising brand than as a footballer. Just look into short sales at his clubs and the increase in oversees interest in those clubs.


21 Feb 2016 12:20:54
Half, whilst being a Liverpool site it is also a place to discuss football in general.
And to defend the fact that I compared Beckham to other United players and no others, I used those players simply because they played together and came through together.


21 Feb 2016 12:26:53
Burkeyboy mate, the disagrees have been going crazy lately, not sure why, I only asked what Ed thought about Beckham as a player so Halflot it's not a Beckham page as Ed001 has been posting about previous players from the likes of Ronaldo, Henry even our Macca and it's great to see other lads reply too and it put their input in, as I said in my previous post Gazza is my all time favourite English player, nevertheless I still think the likes of Beckham, Scoles were great players to watch, which hurts me to say as I hate Man U with a vengeance, which doesn't help matters when all my family here in Ireland support them.


21 Feb 2016 11:49:58
Hey Ed1, I always thought of Beckham as a player with the intelligence to know exactly where the ball should be and the right foot to put it there. It may have been one trick but what a trick it was.


{Ed001's Note - except it doesn't take intelligence to know that. I don't get why you would call that intelligence. Next you will be saying Tony Pulis plays intelligent football, as he knows where to put the ball too.}

21 Feb 2016 13:41:58
Beck ham was a hard worker and his career showed what can be achieved if you keep your head down and work on simple things like crossing and dead ball accuracy. Btw, free kicks and crossing ability is not a natural talent. It is something anyone can do if they work hard on them willingly. Therefore, Beckham was a hardworking player but severely overrated.


21 Feb 2016 14:46:39
Ed1, I think you're under estimating it, what I refered to as intelligence can be broken down into vision, awareness, decision making, timing and more. Beckham had that far more than most players.


{Ed001's Note - how so? He got the ball and whipped it straight into a dangerous area. Nothing more. There was no 'timing', it was simple, old-fashioned and highly effective, but it was not intelligent. It also requires no 'vision' to simply hit a dangerous area. He wasn't looking to pick out anyone, he was putting into an area and letting his team mates attack it. That is not insulting him, because he kept it simple was a big part of his success, his team mates knew that they could just make runs the moment he got it as he would ping it in, and they knew where it was aimed for, so they knew where to run. No decision making, intelligence, timing or vision required. He is the epitome of how much more effective football can be when kept simple.

If you want to talk about what was particularly special about him, it was his striking technique on the ball. He had an excellent and clean striking technique which enabled him to put a lovely curve on the flight of the ball making it more difficult to defend against but better for the attacker to get to.}

21 Feb 2016 15:51:29
Gazza! i loved Gazza, what a talent. never saw an Englishman like him till him, what a maverick.

As for Beckham, what i love about him is that he was incredibly limited in kill and awareness but through hard work he turned himself into a 'good good' player. That is something i respect.


21 Feb 2016 04:57:10
Really enjoyed the discussion on all time greatest manager the other day. How about current managers, who is the best of those still in the game?

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{Ed001's Note - that is much harder. It is much easier to judge them with hindsight.}

21 Feb 2016 11:42:05
Mourinho and Pep would not make it anywhere near my top 10, can tell you that much.


21 Feb 2016 01:51:20
Hi Eds. I was just looking through the Premier League squads on transfermarkt. We have by far the largest senior squad of 32! On top of that we have 4 senior players out on loan.

Spurs have 22, leicester 23, city 24, utd 26, arsenal 27. Chelsea won the league last year with 21.

Why the hell do we need such a large squad? Is this just a sign of a failed FSG transfer policy? Shouldnt we just jettison 15 or 16 out of that 36 and bring in 4 quality players. We'd probably end up saving some money! Interested to hear your thoughts / explanation on it.

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{Ed001's Note - it was the manager that was at fault for this. He wanted a large squad.}

21 Feb 2016 04:38:11
Totally agree, most have said on here we can comfortably lose 10 from that squad with maybe just 3-4 coming in at most. Rodgers just buying for the sake of it. No wonder he couldn't figure out his best team.


21 Feb 2016 13:46:07
His idea was just buy, buy, buy and see what sticks. That is not a strategy. That is incompetence.


21 Feb 2016 16:21:07
I hope, and expect, a number of players in the senior squad to be moved on in the summer.

I think Klopp will bring in a few players, but there will be far more leaving than arriving.


20 Feb 2016 21:08:52
Hi Eds,

Just interested to know transfers which have broken down at the final minute for Liverpool in past years? The particular one that comes to mind for me is Lee Bowyer. Thank god that fell through.

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{Ed001's Note - there are thousands mate, it would be impossible to list them all, even if I could remember them.}

21 Feb 2016 08:26:39
Simao 😃.


21 Feb 2016 10:34:34
Probably impossible to answer but what would be your top 3 "dodged bullets" eds?


{Ed001's Note - Balotelli..... oh wait. Frank Worthington would have to be right up there, we might never have become who we are if he had been able to complete his move to us. It is difficult trying to think of any, as the ones dodged are the ones that don't get mentioned. Lee Bowyer would have to be in there though. Simao would have to be in consideration as well.}

21 Feb 2016 17:09:56
Cheers ed.


{Ed001's Note - you are welcome.}

21 Feb 2016 01:16:52
I still cannot workout the Chaulker deal, it seems pointless am I missing the point still?

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21 Feb 2016 03:07:51
whats done is done zummerset red, he might become a permanent signing come the summer esp as ed002 has said we won't be buying a striker. we know klopp likes to play him up front.


 
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