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20 May 2016 23:08:05
Can see a huge clearout from across the board this summer. 20 players at least will go as the need to trim the squad is essential due too no europe. Rossiter, enrique have gone. Bogdan, toure, skrtel, benteke, yesil, alberto, wisdom, jones, ilori, balotelli all look set too leave.
21 May 2016 00:25:24
There has been a change with Toure DR according to the Eds, Toure was the only one who turned up in final.
20 May 2016 19:09:56
We currently have two LB's. Moreno and Smith. Both are pretty much on the same boat. We do expect Moreno to move in the summer, He gets replaced by a 19 year old kid who hasn't had much game at Leicester?
Brilliant. So our two LB for the upcoming season hasn't played 20 games combined?
Now that's some smart business done.
20 May 2016 21:43:47
Transfer window isn't even open yet. Hector?
20 May 2016 21:44:04
Hector and chilwell would be cool though haZza.
20 May 2016 21:45:21
Just saying we will probs sign 2 lbs. Have only seen hector once myself so no idea of he was good. But we will defo not be relying on chilwell as nain lb if we get him, don't worry your little head :)
20 May 2016 22:06:21
Age is irrelevant. I've only seen Chilwell twice. Both in the cup. Both against Spurs. He was absolutely brilliant. The only reason he is leaving is because Fuchs is probably one of the best left backs in the league.
We signed Gomez and he was brilliant before his injury. He was 18.
20 May 2016 23:09:10
Why not save a few bob and buy a lb, then move moreno forward.
21 May 2016 00:09:26
I don't think Moreno's good enough going forward to do that.
21 May 2016 00:36:43
Or just sell Moreno and Smith and replace them with Chilwell and someone more defensive minded like a Hector?
21 May 2016 09:31:29
was having an argument with United fans because they still think they're a better team than us due to league position. I told them the league table in respect to us and them is distorted because of our managerial disruption during the season, our lack of preseason with Klopp, and the amount of injuries we had. We've also outplayed them in every game under Klopp (despite one loss) .
They then couldn't deal with me asserting that De Gea is the main reason why they've only conceded 36 league goals. United fans still live with superiority complex.
{Ed001's Note - but they were the better team over the course of the season, though it remains to be seen if next season is the same. As for De Gea, that seems irrelevant as they do have him, who is to say that the next keeper they get will not also be top class?}
21 May 2016 09:46:01
To keep Moreno as LB even as a back up, is downright stupid! He is unable to position himself defensively, and continues to make poor decisions. Will never be good enough for Liverpool.
{Ed001's Note - and Smith has shown little to suggest he is any different, both are young enough to improve, but Moreno has not yet had a real challenger for his position. Perhaps bringing one in could work to raise his game. It worked for Finnan, who was poor initially, until the club tried to replace him and he raised his game.}
21 May 2016 12:41:43
On face value they were better over the course of the season, but they had a few advantages over us. I think we're a better team than them under Klopp. My point about de gea is he makes their average defenders look good, he covers their arses with his world class saves. De gea and mignolet faces the exact same amount of shots on target this season and mignolet let in around 10 more than de gea. And their defence is also only 'good' because they play a negative, risk-free style that hides the weaknesses of players like Smalling, who you yourself think is average. I would rather respect a defence that coexists with good attack, eg the Arsenal invincibles.
21 May 2016 15:03:33
I watched Utd a lot this season and I still can't believe they won some of the games they won as they were rank aweful in many of them. They may have been better overall but that has a lot more to do with our inconsistent run than it has to do with their overall performance.
21 May 2016 17:11:50
Yeah, for me there is no way that the current United team is genuinely better than the current Liverpool team. We were perhaps worse than them under Rodgers, but Klopp has since improved us. If Klopp had the benefit of a pre-season, and if we didn't go through the disruption of changing managers 8 matches, I doubt we would have finished below them. They've been absolutely awful for the majority of the season. At the end of the day, it's only a 6 point gap, and we've played a few games with virtually reserve sides.
20 May 2016 20:59:35
Hi guys, Celtic fan here. We have just got Brendan Rodgers in as our manager and just wondering what you thought of him during his time as manager?
I don't know much about him if I'm honest other than I watched a few games seen you were close to winning the league. Guessed it's better to ask the fans than read what's in the papers.
20 May 2016 21:31:12
On here were a truck load of abuses towards the man. If he was half decent, he wouldn't have got the sack 2 months into a new season after signing a 3 year contract extension.
20 May 2016 21:48:49
Brilliant coach and played a good system until it was found out. My problem with him was he never learn from his mistakes. Constantly changing the team and tactics when we were playing poor rather than get stability. Playing a second string team against real Madrid for instance. He also refused to take any blame for literally anything and even when we got beat 6-2 by Stoke his opening lines were we played well the first half even though we were 3-0 down. I do believe if he learned from his mistakes rather than hide from them he could be a top manager. Good luck.
20 May 2016 21:51:45
Lets not forget he brought swansea into the PL, and surely you can't do that without some tactical nous and undetstanding of the game.
But on the other hand I worry about his wisdom in buying players, and even worse, last season it looked as if he was completely unable to motivate the players.
He may get better at his weak points as he gets older, and I do not want to be disrespectful to any former manager of our club, but I just don't think his normal football style is either entertaining enough or successful enough to satisfy a hugely supported club like celtic, with such passionate supporters.
My prediction is that - if he performs as he did in his last 18 months at lfc- he will be sacked at the end of his first season.
20 May 2016 22:01:09
If you ignore the waffle he spouts, I'm sure there is a decent manager in their somewhere, but apparently the players weren't keen on him and it all fell apart.
20 May 2016 22:04:30
Rodgers was not made for Liverpool, that is for sure. Whether he is made for Celtic, well, you will just need to find out.
20 May 2016 22:04:30
Rodgers was not made for Liverpool, that is for sure. Whether he is made for Celtic, well, you will just need to find out.
20 May 2016 22:42:12
To be fair I could manage that Celtic team n win the league at a canter n my only managerial experience is 5 a side and champ manager, so in terms of success Rodgers will do a cracking job.
20 May 2016 23:02:57
He has certainly had his good moments and we have to give him credit for developing/ figuring out how to make the most of Sturridge, Suarez and Sterling, but then on the other hand it really fell apart badly at the end.
My biggest gripes with him were
1) never kept it real when things weren't going right - always spouting off some rubbish in the press about character
2) took a winning formula from the 13/ 14 season and switched the team around completely to his favourite 4-3-3 possession game and a target man upfront instead of just replacing Suarez with like for like and building on previous years success
3) when it started going wrong he switched players and formation almost every 30mins and struggled to build any form of base or consistency, losing the dressing room - hopefully he's learnt not to tinker so much
4) didn't know much about defence (especially set pieces, use of a defensive midfielder)
I have to be honest, while he did some great things at Swansea and during the 13/ 14 season, I still think he has a lot to learn and not sure he has the humility to learn it. Hope it works out better for you though.
20 May 2016 23:15:16
pk85
Can't help thinking, that when you guys sing "You'll Never Walk Alone" . Brendan will close his eyes and dream he's still at Anfield.
He never wanted to leave us. but hey. I wish him well at Celtic. not too well though, as Rangers are my second team 😀.
21 May 2016 00:02:06
Thanks for the responses, I suppose time will tell but at the very least I'm glad it's him and not some of the dross we were linked with.
21 May 2016 00:43:24
His main fault is he refuses to give an honest reflection of any game no matter how badly you perform. Whatever happens is always 'outstanding' including 6-1 losses to Stoke.
He also takes all the credit for anything that goes well in his team.
Plus he has no idea what kind of football he wants to play- if he did he wouldn't have paid £32.5million for Christian Benteke.
21 May 2016 00:43:38
Your get to see lots of goals. He a good attacking manger. Sometimes talk to much rubbish.
21 May 2016 00:50:49
He has the ability (and the desire to be seen as a success) to take Celtic to 10 in a row, if he wanted to stick around that long. Having that on his CV would give him a major chubby, and with the resources at his disposal compared to the rest of Scottish football, it's quite possible.
From a Liverpool and a Kilmarnock fan.
21 May 2016 01:19:34
He used to be a workaholic manager who promoted attacking football and did a decent job with our team. However his shortcomings were with transfers, academy players and defending as well as questionable favouring of players.
After our success it all went to his head and rather than improving on his faults, he got worse. The loss at chelsea was the start of his vanity parade. Then came the teeth, the tan, the affairs, the nights on the town. The 'success' of 2nd place went to his head. He didn't improve. He got worse. The football got worse. The teams selections got worse. The mind numbing drivel in interviews got worse and the man management was appalling. He was ignorant to so much going badly it once it drove our fanbase insane.
The way i see it was that, after a promising start, it all went to his head and he felt he was bigger than the club with his management decisions and attitude. Quite frankly i found his behaviour in his final season and a bit unnacceptable and i will not be wishing him the best of luck because i didn't like his sharade. If he can get his head out his arse and get some modesty back i'm sure he will manage to get a decent team going and play some good stuff and win you the title, but that's if he goes back to basics which i'm not sure his ego will allow. I wouldn't be expecting any kind of european advancement, he barely ground out results against ludogorets and got us knocked out by basel so what does that tell you.
Without sounding bitter towards celtic i think he has honestly jumped at the chance at the job because it will be easier than almost any other place for him to win titles and boost his ego - there is little he can do wrong. Unless of course he manages to lose the league to rangers in his first year.
21 May 2016 04:26:33
Seriously Celtic be better off hiring Rodgers as PR man rather than coach. He can write 180 pg dossier and come up with ourstanding phrases like 'death by football', doing PR job will suit him to T.
21 May 2016 06:46:33
So we don't rate him much is the consensus then!
21 May 2016 07:15:58
Depends if he calls and then listens and implements Bielsa's suggestions ;o)
21 May 2016 09:11:14
He was rubbish for Liverpool. With the money he had at his disposal he won nothing. He should do well in Scotland tho with no one to challenge.
21 May 2016 09:41:39
Main weakness is he's got an eye for the club secretaries.
20 May 2016 20:25:07
I know he had his doubters here but Rodgers was still a part of our club for a few years.
So I wish the absolute best of luck to you, Celtic.
20 May 2016 21:22:00
Well they certainly need it. Haha
Only messin, good luck to him.
20 May 2016 21:32:48
He will struggle not to win the league with Celtic.
20 May 2016 21:42:33
Its a win win situation for rogers, he's obviously going to do well, he's probably going to win the league, that goes on his cv and then he prob thinks he can wonder off to a bigger an better job. This is no disrespect to the scottish league but it is managing like a prmeier league club, while every other team around you is league 1 standard.
20 May 2016 22:29:26
Depends what you want from a manager at Celtic, if you just want to keep winning the league every year he'll probably manage that. He wasn't particularly good at using the academy players or bringing through young players.
His transfer record isn't good. But perhaps the difference in budget will force him to change the way he works. There is a good coach and a OK manager somewhere buried underneath everything else that comes with Rodgers. Though I don't have many good words to say about him.
20 May 2016 19:52:22
Just Wanted to Pass on massive thanks and Respect for what The Eds been doing. And Long may it Continue.
Absolute Legends.
{Ed002's Note - Post of the day.}
20 May 2016 21:24:40
I second that, since we lost the final the site has been edited brilliantly, there has obviously been several thousands of angry posts come through but the sites just been full of brilliant posts and some really good stuff from the regulars and eds, especially ed02.
20 May 2016 21:58:10
Fantastic site, fantastic editors. And Harry too.
What more could a fan want?
20 May 2016 22:37:15
Made my day Anonymush even though it could be a sarcasm ha ha.
Khudos Editors.
21 May 2016 06:49:52
Meh ed01 is a grumpy old man and ed02 is an even grumpier old lady. Haha but i love them anyway lol.
{Ed001's Note - heyyyy not so much of the old! Just because it is true doesn't mean it doesn't hurt!}
21 May 2016 08:04:17
Ok, how about grumpy mature and moderately distinguished gentleman! Actually i think that's worse lol.
{Ed001's Note - I feel like crying now!}
20 May 2016 19:20:43
Ed002 as you are around, in your humble opinion, and opinion only, forgetting all the tapping up stuff, do you think liverpool will pay the asking price for goetze.
{Ed002's Note - They won't wantr to pay the full asking price Benny so will look to negotiate - but right now they have yet to make an offer.}
20 May 2016 20:34:02
Well i guess no club wants to pay the asking price, yet when selling they all want the full whack!
Hopefully a deal can be struck, i know your opinion on him, but all said and done he is a very good footballer, and the enigma of a "big signing" (subjective) which will please the knuckle draggers.
20 May 2016 21:13:29
Knuckle draggers aside benny, it actually boosts the players when they see intent.
20 May 2016 21:52:33
Hmmm i think it just boosts the hope of fans when they think they see intent in a signing.
21 May 2016 12:47:46
Ed can you confirm that Liverpool are definitely intersted though? Or you're just making an educated assumption if they were to be interested?
{Ed002's Note - Liverpool are interested and they have been tapping up the player.}
20 May 2016 19:01:29
Anybody else get the feeling that we are going to bring in 1 or 2 players this window that no-one is talking about right now?
20 May 2016 19:04:25
It's always a nice surprise but I can only see us getting the players which we've been constantly linked with (eg Chilwell, Karius, Zielinski etc)
20 May 2016 19:09:48
We want to seriously hope so, without being negative we finished 8th and are pretty average. The posters we are talking about right now simply are no "real" improvement. They simply don't cut the gap to top for or league winners.
Just my opinion.
20 May 2016 19:22:33
Kurtz it's about finding the right players for the right system, we need to trust Klopp.
20 May 2016 20:34:53
Yeah I understand that mighty and agree but I'm talking very simply 1 for 1 these midfields we are linked to are no real improvement.
No including gotze in this.
20 May 2016 21:35:06
Knowing our recruitment history, I'd say it's nailed on we will sign a few unknown players who will never play for us for 15-20 million 😩.
21 May 2016 02:57:18
Kurtz is right doesn't matter how to cake it, the players coming in are not clear improvements on what we have already especially the first team. In fact none of them improve our first team except for maybe karius and that's because mignolet lacks severely is some basic goalkeeping qualities.
Listen I understand everyone is saying trust klopp but we have constantly bought average players and sometimes even overpaid for them and basically 90% of them have flopped. It's not rocket science.
20 May 2016 18:54:59
And eds. just wanted to say thanks for taking he time to answer my qs. i know I ask some random stuff but you've always been nothing but gracious with your answers. top bloke or woman. tom.
{Ed002's Note - You are welcome Tom.}
20 May 2016 20:27:16
Don't apologise TomTom. People have been asking you for directions for nearly a decade now.
20 May 2016 18:46:59
Having read your comments today re: tapping up, ed002, I wonder if this will force the club to bid for the players in question to avoid any further action? Just to clarify when I say force, I mean a little more subtle than outright blackmail.
{Ed002's Note - The club would have to be interested in the players in any case. What it removes is the opportunity to negotiate too much. The club will not want any more problems right now.}
19 May 2016 20:14:46
Hi eds thanks for your response from my last question, just another, with everyone going frantic about us signing pitor z fella (can't spell his surname sorry) what qualities do you think he has and where could you see him starting in our 11, thank you for your time.
{Ed002's Note - He can run very quickly. I cannot see him as a starter I am afraid.}
20 May 2016 20:35:14
I think Zielinski will replace Joe Allen in the squad, and will initially be a squad player. He plays in a 3 man central midfield for Empoli, generally on the right, and is the more attack minded player in the team, getting forward.
20 May 2016 21:28:09
AG
Ironically that's the only place Milner should be paying if Klopp ever plays with a three CM's. Allen has been an impact sub most of the season. If you sell him for a cut price and buy a squad player for double the price how does it ever makes any sense?
21 May 2016 03:02:48
I think anyone that has a decent idea of footballers would see that zielinski is certainly no improvement on what we have. He's a lot more forward thinking that the players we already have but that also means his end product isn't the best. His range of passing is decent but doesn't match hendo or even can. Has as much defensive qualities as can and that isn't very good.
Plays the ball well and tries to link up because he is quite quick as ed2 has said but again end product is lacking. When watching him a few times since we where heavily linked to him he made absolutely no impression on me what so ever. I'm quite disappointed in this signing especially if it's the only central midfielder we get. Possibly only an upgrade on Allen which is certainly not what we need right now. Ed2 is spot on not a first team player.
20 May 2016 17:43:20
Hi eds. many have expressed opinions about the way Liverpool is run. from transfer miss handling. to player "naughtiness". to bad decisions I was just wondering who you would say are the best run clubs out there?
Thanks
Tom.
{Ed002's Note - MK Dons and Crystal Palace.}
20 May 2016 18:19:13
And the worst two Ed002?
{Ed002's Note - Blackpool and QPR.}
20 May 2016 18:52:40
Add Coventry city to that list. Just a series of awful decisions for a very long time.
20 May 2016 20:01:17
Newcastle has to be up there (worst)
20 May 2016 20:06:13
I would have thought Arsenal would be up there with the best run clubs?
20 May 2016 20:12:30
Burnley have got to be up there as a well ran club.
Had the sense to keep the manager who took them up 2 years ago, now they are up again.
20 May 2016 20:29:27
Up the Dons! Haha. Hoping to get a season ticket there next year so that's good to hear Ed.
20 May 2016 17:39:23
Any chance of a transfer update eds, now our season has come to an end.
{Ed002's Note - It is all in the posts Toddy.}
20 May 2016 17:37:59
Ed002; just got in from work and I'm checking the site as per usual. Thanks for the info as always, on chilwell, zielinski and gotze.
I may have missed something though, just want to clarify please.
It sounds like from the reply's today that Liverpool are being investigated for Tapping up, because Klopps phone calls to Gotze and zielinski, and we are expected to pay 20 million or so for Zielinski because of it.
Have I got that right?
Will they be looking to make a formal complaint if we don't pay the 20 MIL asking price
It also sounds like Chilwell is a fairly certain deal, as you said other clubs are looking elsewhere, thanks again.
{Ed002's Note - No, there have been no complains made to UEFA or FIFA at this time. I have certainly not said any figure in respect of Zielinski. I did not say "fairly certain" or anything like that either.}
20 May 2016 18:03:19
Thought I read that udinese expect us to pay a similar fee to Mario Gotze's asking price?
I know you didn't say fairly certain to Chilwell, that was me who wrote that, just assuming we have got a good chance of landing him considering the other clubs interested have turned away from him.
{Ed002's Note - I am pretty sure that nobody from Udinese has mention Goetze at all.}
20 May 2016 18:14:07
Sorry to quote you and be a nuisance but I've just read
"Liverpool has made an approach regarding Zielinski and have been told in no uncertain terms that they should pay what is being asked for Goetze as they tapped him up as well"
Maybe I'm tired and it's not registering in my brain properly but it sounds to me that they are after around 20 million for Zielinski, double what people are quoting.
Anyway, appreciate the info.
{Ed002's Note - That is not what is meant - Liverpool have been told by both clubs to pay the asking price for the players they have tapped up. Liverpool may well decide not to do that and then risk a complaint being made to UEFA. If that happens then Liverpool, with the most appaling recent history in terms of discipline could be in even more trouble than they are now.}
20 May 2016 18:21:44
Ahhhh, thanks mate 👍.
20 May 2016 18:36:09
Naughty step for us then.
{Ed002's Note - After having seven charges heard by UEFA yesterday Liverpool have had two further charges made against them over the final. This could prove to be a major issue for the club now.}
20 May 2016 19:01:14
maybe a ban from europe next season? :)
just joking of course lol.
20 May 2016 17:33:15
Happy for Rodgers. Hope he does well.
20 May 2016 20:18:32
Not digging at Rodgers but Celtic walk the league every year now, anything else but champions is a failure.
20 May 2016 17:30:21
Hi Ed002. Just curious; any interest in Henderson? Do you see Liverpool being willing to let him go? If not, what do you think his role will be next season? Many thanks.
{Ed002's Note - I don't see Henderson leaving nor being replaced as captain.}
20 May 2016 18:22:43
Sadly I don't see Henderson lifting a trophy as captain.
Think the squad needs massive improvements.
20 May 2016 18:45:09
Cheers for the reply Ed. Agreed DBol; decent player but not good enough at any one thing specifically, and not a leader in my opinion.
21 May 2016 03:06:07
And can apparently is? Nonsense.
20 May 2016 17:13:34
Rodgers new Celtic boss. Wtf? Didn't see that one coming fairplay.
{Ed007's Note - Ed002 told me weeks ago about it mate, I'm just delighted it wasn't Neil Lennon again!!}
20 May 2016 17:40:53
Good to see Ed002 is keeping up to date on "The Nose". 😉.
20 May 2016 17:49:20
I hope he does well.
20 May 2016 18:01:12
Ed 02 is rodgers, either that or its her time of the month.
20 May 2016 18:09:23
Ed007 I bet. Be interesting to see how he gets on. Do you reckon it could be tactical? Obviously Celtic dominate so it should, in theory, be easier to put together a successful spell. Which could stand him in better stead for a PL job again in the future. Just going off the 12 month contract. that's how it reads to me.
I hope it works out whatever happens.
{Ed007's Note - It's one of those 12 month rolling contracts that seem to be all the rage and it's really a move aimed as getting us through the CL qualifiers and into the group stages. I was gutted it didn't work out with our last manager so hopefully Rodgers can make a diference. Cheers. (yes)
20 May 2016 18:44:06
Good luck with that Smallsey mate
20 May 2016 18:56:23
I think he could do a job for you. Also the Champions League experience will do him good and he does have some himself anyway, albeit not the best run ha.
Did this come about because Swansea have decided to stick with Guidonlin? Though he was heavily linked with a return to the Swans, that's why I was so surprised tbh.
{Ed002's Note - No. It is nothing to do with Swansea.}
20 May 2016 19:04:33
Does this mean Lfc can now stop paying Brendan 100k per week, as his "gardening leave" has ended?
{Ed002's Note - Yes.}
20 May 2016 16:42:15
Hi eds, so if klopp has tapped up this guy from undinese and I'm assuming the other is Goetz won't we get in trouble for that?, and also don't you rate either of those two as potential signings?
{Ed002's Note - Only if a complaint is made to UEFA. Zielinski is padding and LIverpool will have to pay over the odds. Goetze is happy to communicate through the media and is a problem waiting to happen.}
20 May 2016 16:36:26
Question for Ed's.
From the players you have seen this season, that suit our style, fill our shortcomings and are avaliable whose will you sign?
And which ones you would sell according to the same preferences?
Very interested in knowing your opinion.
Thanks.
{Ed002's Note - I have answered this before (and once very recently) - albeit a couple of the players I suggested are no longer available. The targets Klopp has now are pretty well defined. I think Sule would have been a better option than Matip. Grujic will be a good buy but I am not so sure he is ready for the first team yet. Zielinski looks like expensive padding but the club have been pushed in to a corner.}
20 May 2016 16:10:32
Karius signing next week. your thoughts eds?
{Ed002's Note - Try the search engine.}
20 May 2016 15:51:49
I read we are trying to swap balotelli for ilicic of fiorentina. While I think any club would be crazy to swap for balotelli, is there any interest in ilicic?
{Ed002's Note - Try the search engine.}
20 May 2016 15:54:08
Hi Ed002,
Seems to be that we are always facing trouble off the pitch, whether its tapping players up, drug bans etc. Why does it seem to always be Liverpool who can't keep in check with these matters like other clubs do?
{Ed002's Note - Liverpool are not the only club that have supporters, players and a coach who behave like idiots. Sakho is not the only player caught this season - Dinamo Zagreb midfielder Arijan Ademi was also caught and punished. There were numerous cases heard yesterday in relation to various charges made by UEFA. Sakho's case has yet to be held.
Liverpool had three matters (a total of seven separate charges) against them heard yesterday and a there is a separate charge now being considered. Manchester United, Dortmund, Sparta Prague and Manchester City also had charges heard yesterday.}
20 May 2016 16:14:27
Plenty of idiots in the sport it seems ed.
I'm a bit embarassed that Liverpool seems to be the worst for tapping up recently though, hopefully it will be sorted out soon.
{Ed002's Note - I would not say that they are the worst Mikey, but they are not doing themselves any favours.}
20 May 2016 17:13:04
Not wise moves by them Ed002. If there is incentive for teams to do this kind of stuff, does it mean they think they have a chance of getting away with it or is it just pure stupidity?
{Ed002's Note - They don't all get away with it, plenty of clubs have been fined and some banned from making transfers. I don't recall any Premier League clubs since Everton in 2014 being punished, but certainly both FIFA and UEFA would like to catch any of the major English sides in their net over this.}
20 May 2016 17:20:39
Just found an article from the Echo outlining the seven charges that were dealt with yesterday:
5 charges from the Man Utd tie - illicit chants, setting off of fireworks, throwing of objects, crowd disturbances and a late kick-off.
Plus 2 more charges relating to setting off a flare at the Westfalenstadion after Divock Origi scored, and a flare was thrown from the Kop during the second leg against Villareal.
Seems these charges are mainly to do with supporters misbehaving, which is a real shame and so easily avoidable.
{Ed002's Note - They are all to do with supporters except the late kick off. There may well be further charges coming after the final as well.}
20 May 2016 19:04:03
Yep, sadly more charges - both Liverpool and Sevilla for crowd disturbance, Liverpool also for setting off fireworks and Sevilla also for throwing of objects (source:BBC Sport website) .
All supporter related.
I can't be the only one who remembers the dark days of no European Football through a ban in the late 80s?!?!
Ed002, do you think, given the repeated charges over a short period of time, predominantly todo with crowd disturbances, that serious sanctions (large fines or bans) are likely? I appreciate its only your view, but yours will be a lot more informed than mine!
{Ed002's Note - Very significant fines for the seven charges heard yesterday - the new charges may bring some other sort of sanction.}
20 May 2016 13:48:49
Hi, Love the site lads, daily visitor at this stage.
Just wondering about young Jack Dunn, not followed the youngsters as much as I used to. Know he had bad time with injuries and that but has he made any headway in getting back to where he was?
Is he unfortunately another Yesil, and unluckily may never be able to fulfil his massive potential.
{Ed002's Note - I can't see him having a first team future under Klopp.}
20 May 2016 14:37:23
Cheers, that's a pity, was a favourite of mine.
20 May 2016 17:18:37
What about under klipperty ed?
20 May 2016 13:46:40
Eds reds seeing lots of options fir players in - out. Nobody being mentioned as midfield dictator- alonso type. Any ideas?
{Ed002's Note - I don't know what a "midfield dictator" is but clearly the club has already agreed the addition of Grujic and are seemingly looking to add at least one attacking midfield player. Klopp likes players who run very quickly so the Alonso style of player may not be what he wants.}
20 May 2016 15:51:37
Hi ed002,i do take issue with your "Klopp likes players who run quickly", you have been making it sound like Klopp is pursuing players soley because they run fast and keep running throughout game. Pace is definitely consideration but not the only one Klopp considers. Would u say Reus, Aubamenyang, mkhitaryan, kagawa are players who only run fast? There is more to these players he chose than pace.
{Ed002's Note - You can take issue with what you want. My statement is absolutely correct and you are making yourself look like an idiot disputing it. I said nothing at all about the random list of players you have there. Is there something wrong with you?}
20 May 2016 15:57:39
Hi ed002, you have been slagging klopp unfairly over your last few replies. U mention in other post that Klopp is unflexible over tactics and also insinuating that he like players who run and run over more skilful players. This so wrong and untrue.
{Ed002's Note - I have not "slagged" Klopp unfairly at all. I have simply stated factual matters - he has been tapping players up. That is illegal. The system he favors is long out of date and he has been found out on more than one occasion - he hasn't won anything for years. Liverpool came 8th or whatever in the league - his win percentage as a Liverpool manager is better thean Roy Hodgson but not as good Brendan Rodgers nor the likes of Evans, Shankley, Dalglish, Houllier, Benitez and Paisley. There is no secret that Klopp likes players who run quickly. You are lying about me mentioning anything about "skilful" players at all. And you are generally embarrassing yourself.}
20 May 2016 17:20:26
Lee, stop. You have been sounded ridiculous for the last couple of weeks, and ed002 is spot on, on this, again.
20 May 2016 19:40:53
Just for the last couple of weeks, Benny?
20 May 2016 16:46:15
No system in football is 'long out of date'. If there was a particular system that guaranteed success then every team would adopt that system.
There are many factors that underpin the successfulness of a team. Using system as a blanket term to define whether a manager has been 'found out' or not is as ridiculous as saying the colour of the car determines how quickly it goes.
20 May 2016 17:05:00
The tactics and subs failed miserably on both the occasions ( league cup final and El final ) . He loves midfielders who runs a lot which is bang on IMO, Hence Lallana and Milner plays every game.
21 May 2016 03:17:13
Ed2 is spot on, deluded fans put klopp on a pedal stool and thought he was the messiah. Obviously he is a top manager but will he do all the thing fans expect of him, I'm not so sure.
About the tactics he is also correct I've said this on a few occasions that klopp will have to learn how to adapt and change systems during games and in preparation against different kinds of opposition because we still struggle on the same things we did under Rogers. Along with that, recruitment seems to be just as bad as it is under Rogers so far. Still have faith in klopp but I don't have shades on and in very much in tune with the reality of the situation.
20 May 2016 12:10:10
Volland has signed for Leverkusen. That's one to cross off the rumours list.
20 May 2016 12:45:07
It was always unlikely. I think it is clear we want Georges Nkoudou or Rafa Silva and either Zielinski or Praet. Silva and Zielinski are the cheaper options, but also probably the better options.
Silva is predominantly a left side attacker, whilst Zielinski can play in a more central attacking role and also as a right side attacker.
Volland may well have been of interest, but it was never likely so no shock or disappointment here.
20 May 2016 15:10:20
I think volland was exactly the type of winger we needed. Haven't seen Rafa silva so not sure if he's any better but last I heard he was another attacking midfielder which is probably the last thing we need right now.
20 May 2016 17:43:28
No loss.
21 May 2016 03:18:34
It will seem like a loss when he does very well at Leverkusen and zielinski or whoever we get absolutely flops and is sold after 1 season.
20 May 2016 10:30:25
Hi Eds, lots of talking about LB with Moreno possibly going and possible replacements but nobody mentions Brad Smith. He signed a new contract and I thought did well in the few 1st team games he played in. Does he have a future with us? Thanks.
{Ed002's Note - I suspect he will slip further down the pecking order.}
20 May 2016 12:13:42
Smith in my opinion has come into the team too late. He was ready 2 years ago before we even signed Moreno to start getting gametime. Rodgers contrary to popular belief though, was terrible at bringing through the youth team players. He used to play them in a cameo (Smith got 20 minutes vs Chelsea, Teixeira got 10 at Fulham, Sinclair got 10 against West Brom etc) then never again. Which knocks their confidence and gives them no opportunity to build on their debut games.
2 years down the line Smith is finally getting good amounts of game time but he is nearly 22 I believe and hasn't really had any successful loans. He is majorly behind in his development considering his age and can't really be relied on as the first choice left back. I would however, dump Moreno and sign another young full back to fight Smith for the spot. Chilwell, Kolasinac, Guerreiro etc. Any of those could come in and push Smith to improve. He needs an incentive to work harder and learn faster.
20 May 2016 12:28:36
I might be being too unkind here but he strikes me as intelligent as Moreno, the only advantage is he speaks english. I think Gomez was leagues ahead of him in a LB role compared to Smith - see him only as a backup. He is very quick, likes to get forward and has a wicked cross but defensively not brilliant, his speed made up for defensive errors, a little like what happens with Moreno.
{Ed002's Note - I would fear for the long-term future of Gomez under Klopp - particularly if Liverpoo complete the purchase of another left back - which I expect they will soon do.}
20 May 2016 13:41:57
It's a shame Gomez got injured really. Would he have been a solid starter by now I wonder?
20 May 2016 14:00:20
I have never been all too keen on Smith, he has talent but is well behind in his development, the club has clearly had their doubts too letting him go before.
Does nobody think Moreno has the speed and physical attributes to be developed, surely Klopp and the coaches we have would be capable of improving his positioning and recklessness in jumping into tackles.
We do need a new LB this summer though but i'd keep Moreno and coach him unless he just doesn't have the brains, I'm sure Klopp knows if he is coach-able by now.
Ed002 will Gomez not be kept as a Cb? that was his position before joining us.
{Ed002's Note - Gomez has no experience of playing CB at this level and if he is to be used as cover for centre back then he will be so far down the pecking order he can look forward to the occasional run out in the League Cup.}
20 May 2016 14:04:15
MK, I've got to take issue with your post. This is another case of a youth player, in competition with a unpopular first team player, having his potential exaggerated and then casting Rodgers as a villain when it turns out he wasn't as good as we hoped.
Rodgers was more than happy to give youth players game time when they were good enough; Moreno, Markovic, Manquillo, Can, Shelvey, Coutinho, Wisdom, Flanagan, Suso, Robinson, Ibe, Gomez and Sterling all received significant game time under him when they were u-21s. Of those players four established themselves in the first team and another four may still achieve that, that's actually a pretty good record. Is the fact that so few of those players are academy graduates a bad reflection on Rodgers or a bad reflection on the academy?
20 May 2016 14:21:52
Chillwell ed?
{Ed002's Note - Yes, there is serious interest in Chilwell and the other interested club expects him to sign for Liverpool and are now looking at a different player.}
20 May 2016 14:32:22
Ed002 So it seems Gomez situation is a bit like trying to get a new job, where you need a few years of experience in order to get a position to gain the experience in the first place.
Klopp doesn't seem to be keen on loans and can see why, any half decent team will always want to give game time to there own players before developing other teams.
Could a sale with a buy back option be the best way to go, if any club would agree that is.
{Ed002's Note - There is nothing wrong with players going on loan to gain experience. I would not think that any sale with a "buy back option" has been considered. I expect he will stay but remain on the fringes.}
20 May 2016 14:21:52
Chillwell ed?
{Ed002's Note - Yes, there is serious interest in Chilwell and the other interested club expects him to sign for Liverpool and are now looking at a different player.}
20 May 2016 14:32:22
Ed002 So it seems Gomez situation is a bit like trying to get a new job, where you need a few years of experience in order to get a position to gain the experience in the first place.
Klopp doesn't seem to be keen on loans and can see why, any half decent team will always want to give game time to there own players before developing other teams.
Could a sale with a buy back option be the best way to go, if any club would agree that is.
{Ed002's Note - There is nothing wrong with players going on loan to gain experience. I would not think that any sale with a "buy back option" has been considered. I expect he will stay but remain on the fringes.}
20 May 2016 14:51:31
Hi Ed002, I see you mentioned left full back could be completed soon. Do you mean that liverpool have clear interest in left full backs and will be buying one in the summer or were you referring to Liverpool possibly closing in on Ben Chilwell. :)
Many thanks for all the info.
{Ed002's Note - Chilwell Davey.}
20 May 2016 15:52:37
Sorry ed which was the other team looking at him?
{Ed002's Note - It is unimportant.}
20 May 2016 16:52:55
Is he expected to come straight into first team ed?
{Ed002's Note - I don't know - much will depend on those leaving. Left back is another position where the club has plenty of options already - hence the comment on Brad Smith.}
20 May 2016 17:21:34
He's only 18/ 19 and don't think he has any prem league experience so he's probably back up to someone.
19 May 2016 20:14:46
Hi eds thanks for your response from my last question, just another, with everyone going frantic about us signing pitor z fella (can't spell his surname sorry) what qualities do you think he has and where could you see him starting in our 11, thank you for your time.
{Ed002's Note - HJe is padding that Liverpool will pay well over the odfds for as they tapped him up.}
20 May 2016 12:36:06
Ed2, is that what Ian Ayre was sorting out yesterday? Have we actually been found guilty of that? If so, I can't believe the club haven't learnt their lesson.
{Ed002's Note - N he was dealing with the UEFA charges yesterday - and possibly trying to think of what to say about a further charge which is coming. Liverpool has made an approach regarding Zielinski and have been told in no uncertain terms that they should pay what is being asked for Goetze as they tapped him up as well. It is all entirely unacceptable and the club need to sort out the fans and the coach.}
20 May 2016 13:44:25
No chance of getting Goetze on the cheap then ed?
Considering that bayern want him gone so badly you would think they would be almost happy he's being tapped up, suppose it's a good excuse to get a better price for him.
{Ed002's Note - No clubs want to see their players tapped up and what Klopp has done in respect of at least these two players is entirely unacceptable. Would Liverpool be happy if Barcelona called Coutinho directly?}
20 May 2016 16:29:46
No I don't suppose they would ed.
however if they want to call Enrique directly that would be absolutely fine by me haha, or text, or email, Facebook, Twitter lol
In all seriousness though, I would rather the club and Klopp played fair in this respect it's a bit embarrassing and will harm the club going forward.
We moan when other clubs treat us badly, yet are probably the worst for it.
{Ed002's Note - Clubs recognise that old managers and coaches will talk to players - but everyone knows the limits. Klopp has gotten away with it by pissing off a couple of clubs but there has not been a formal complaint made about it. A newspaper has approached Liverpool requesting the opportunity to discuss the matter but the request was rejected.}
20 May 2016 17:22:33
Ed2, firstly thank you for your reply earlier. You say Liverpool have been backed into a corner. Does this mean that if we were to, say, purchase Götze instead of Zielinski we would run the risk of them getting more pissed off and complaining?
Thanks.
{Ed002's Note - I don't think that it would be one or the other, but I have explained for months that Udinese are extremely unhappy at the tapping uo of their player, and Bayern Munich are unhappy at Liverpool again tapping up one of their players.}
19 May 2016 19:53:13
Hi, Eds!
Now that the season is over, who do you reckon will be (or already has been) told to find new clubs? Will there be any surprise departures?
{Ed002's Note - I have no way of telling what would be a surprise to you. I think there is a decent understanding of who will go.}
19 May 2016 19:03:58
Hi Eds and Reds,
Whilst this isn't strictly LFC related, I have a question aimed for Ed002.
I've just read about the possible restructuring of the Football League to a 5-tier system with 100 teams by 2020.
How would this work in respect of the potential, and seemingly imminent, pan-European breakaway involving a few English clubs?
Would we have a smaller top division in England? Or would this redeveloped Football League system just not be plausible?
Thanks in advance for your reply!
Reid the Red.
20 May 2016 10:38:16
I feel like we've regressed 6 months going back to the bad old days and turning on our players. Everything good that's happened and all our progress has been forgotten because of one bad match. I get that people are upset but people are massively misinterpreting what losing to Sevilla signifies. We have beaten a lot of sides better than Sevilla this season but the nature of football is that you can lose to anyone on the day. Barcelona are the best team in the world but they're out of the CL because of one bad day buy it didn't change the fact that they're the best team in the world.
We didn't lose to Sevilla because we're bad, we lost because we're inconsistent and there's plenty of logical reasons for that. It's Klopp's first season, the team is not yet operating at full Klopp, we'll be better next season. Our defence has been massively unsettled, Klopp's had to use 9 different CB pairings,12 if you include the guys played in the FA Cup, it's impossible to get any consistency with that much flux. We have Moreno and Migs, both perfectly good on their day but both prone to doing something to let the the team down. We place the responsibility of controlling our possession on Can, he's great but he's only 22, we can't expect him to be perfect in such an important position every single game. We have an amazing striker who's been out for the better part of two years, it's extraordinary how well he's done since his return but he is still finding form and fitness and we can't expect him to win every game for us.
I recently posted that I'd be confident going in to next season with our current squad because we've seen how good they can be. If we fix are problem positions we'll be even better. We have every reason to be positive.
20 May 2016 10:58:42
I agree with you my friend. I have only read a few posts due to people whinging. The futures bright if people can't see that they have no clue. Get behind the team leave the moaning to the women.
20 May 2016 11:19:55
With keeping up the sentiments Muscat, If it's was just another bad day I don't expect a wholesale movement in the summer. We did not learn anything from the league cup final. Do you think we would ever get another easy final than Basel in sometime?
I don't think so. We missed a golden chance to win a European Cup. Plain and simple.
20 May 2016 11:26:05
That's a good post Muscat.
I think we're all hurt, upset and maybe even a bit angry.
I for one, was confident we were going to win the final. Even though I was trying not to be overconfident, within me I honestly thought we would win that cup and there was very little doubt.
We have to be optimistic about our future - what a rollercoaster season that has brought some of the best games I've seen in recent years (Dortmund and Villareal) . Klopp wanted to turn doubters into believers, isn't that what he's done?
We have to stick by each other, the manager and the players. If they do in the summer, good luck to them and we have to thank them for their service.
This is not the end but the beginning of a bright future for us.
20 May 2016 13:20:42
Harry, we missed a great opportunity, that is certainly true, but this is football, we have no inherent right to win cups. Boil it down and Wednesday was just another 90 minute match which we lost, we've lost before and we'll lose again, I happen to think we'll lose less matches next year and with predominately the same players we have now. I don't want to rip up the template because we know that doesn't work, we've tried it too many times. let's get a new left back, replace a few squad players and bring in one star and see what we can achieve.
20 May 2016 09:35:31
Hi Ed001 and others Eds. Interesting season and should be a very interesting summer.
What's the chance of you ('s) giving your end of year brief review on the players and most used subs. Would be great to get your score out of ten for each.
Also to add a bit more spice maybe your opinion on Stay or Go in the summer.
The fans can then give their opinions, scores etc.
Sorry if this is too much hassle.
{Ed001's Note - I will do that in the next few days when I am feeling better mate.}
20 May 2016 11:07:14
Cheers mate hope you feel better soon, so have as great a weekend as possible.
{Ed002's Note - I'll say thanks on his behalf.}
20 May 2016 09:13:36
Interested to get opinions on Coutinho. At times he's a world beater and has won games for us from nowhere. Recently he's been a bit meh.
He doesn't seem to travel well or shine in the big games. Is this his top level, patchy?
Sometimes I can see why Inter sold him for a low price and why Eds laugh when people ask about Barcelona moving in on him. At the same time he is our player of the year.
Question being asked really because of his show in the final.
20 May 2016 10:37:46
8 of coutinhos 12 goals this season have come against City twice, United, Spurs, Dortmund and a few others I forget. They seem like big games to me.
20 May 2016 10:39:19
Wouldnt agree dosnt show up on big games scored the great goal against manchester united and destroyed man city for examples but i agree he does seem to be very inconsistent.
20 May 2016 10:45:25
Because he's been with us so long people view him as a senior member of our squad but he's only 23. Unless you're name's Messi who's constantly brilliant at that age?
I think he's still figuring out his role in Klopp's team and he's only going to get better.
20 May 2016 11:18:57
Other teams know he is a threat, so tactically set up to stop him playing.
As soon as he gets the ball he's either pressed immediately or has 2 men in and around him. It doesn't help having a left back that just pegs it down the wing as the 'out' ball.
All in good time, he is a brilliant player, still young and full of quality. Imagine a few more players around him his level, would be frightening.
20 May 2016 11:13:24
I think the midfield was so weak against Sevilla that he didn't have much chance. We never had control of the ball in the second half and even in the 1st it seems people saw things differently to me. We played ok after about 20 mins but really it was just that, ok. We've played miles better than that and it was Sturridge wonder finish that shook Sevilla rather than us generally getting a strangle hold on the game through brilliant play. Just like when there was no movement in front of him and people were questioning couts, if the midfield aren't winning the ball he's not going to shine.
20 May 2016 11:52:01
Agree hopeful, Coutinho shines when we have control of midfield but he's not going to give you that necessary bite if it's already been lost. He is still prone to some inconsitency and can give possession away sometimes (just like Firmino and Llalana) but we was well marked out of the game so not all his fault.
We lost against Sevilla IMO because we didn't have a natural midfield near Can to support him, because Sevilla went aerial to beat our pressing game and were better at it (we lost it 90% of the time when pumped upfield to our forwards), and because Moreno made a critical error at a critical time.
20 May 2016 11:53:38
Couts had his hands full with sevillas right back and moreno behond him plus our midfield mot getting a grip.
20 May 2016 13:20:48
i believe Couths is a top player and will get better in the next few seasons, for me though he has not played that well in the last few games and there's a few reasons for that, as mentioned he is getting marked out of the game because he is so good that the other teams make sure he does not have time on the ball so he is closed down or has 2 players on him but i feel the main reason for his drop in form over the last few games is just down to him being tired because he has played a lot of games this season and he just ran out of steam, for me its that simple because when he is on form he can beat his markers and has the skill to get away from 2 markers because next season he will play great and have some very good games and with not having european games to play he will be more consistant maybe staying out of europe will be a blessing for us we will have players who won't get tired and our injuries will be down so next season is going to be a good one, even with firmino he took a while to get used to the prem and now he is used to it he will be better.
20 May 2016 08:53:47
Everyone asking for steel in the midfield. We have Lucas. Not sure why he didn't start the final. He would have broken up play with an interception or smart foul and not let them run through us like they did.
On another note I'd love us to sign dahoud. A midfield of can dahoud and grujic for the future with Lucas and Hendo for experience and quality would be exciting. I wouldn't change much up top other than offloading mario and Big Ben. Couts firmino and studge. With origi ings and lallana as back up. I'd like to see ojo and ibe get a season long loan to a prem side. West brom for instance. Matip looks like the aerial presence were crying out for defending set pieces. Him and sakho with flanno and hopefully hector. Full backs who can defend. And a Gk not sure about karius given his age but he has played nearly 100 bundesliga games and got voted 3rd best keeper in Germany so.
Offloading Allen Milner skrtel illori and others (Alberto, wisdom etc) frees up space. I wouldn't go for gotze unless coutinho leaves. This would be an exciting young squad that could potentially do great things given game time and klopps management. Any thoughts?
20 May 2016 09:26:54
Why would you send two of our most promising youngsters to be coached by Tony Pulis? Look at what he has done to Berahino with his negative, thug-like tactics! Then how he stunted Wisdoms promising career by refusing to play him for the simple reason he isn't 6ft5. Leko will be the next victim of his dire management.
I hope we never send a player there on loan again. Or to Norwich for that matter. 90% of the time, Neil is just a younger version of Pulis.
20 May 2016 09:47:03
You are absolutely correct, every leading club needs full-backs that can do their first job - defend. Otherwise you end up conceding 50 league goals as we have done for the last three seasons, although playing without a DM doesn't help.
However, you clearly think Sakho will play for the club again, so we will have to disagree on that.
20 May 2016 10:43:07
If the ban is 6 months then we should keep him in my opinion. Before the ban he was finally looking solid and like our best CB cutting out the errors.
And to mk scouser. Maybe not west brom then but a prem side that will give them lots of game time. They're not ready for us atm and with less games next season I don't want them to stagnate on the bench. They clearly both have talent but Ibe in particular needs to learn decision making and better his end product in order to shine.
20 May 2016 12:00:15
Do remember Ferdinand was banned for 9 months at united stood by him. Not saying we should 100% standby Sakho yet seeing as facts aren't clear but its just some food for thought.
20 May 2016 14:23:55
Honestly if I was Klopp I would consider selling Lallana. He works hard and I admire that in him but he slows down our play a lot and, ultimately, I just don't think he contributes enough to our attacking play. I'm not just talking about goals or assists but general attacking play - he seems so absent from it and with such regularity. I'm not sure he is good enough (if our aspirations are the league title) and, as such, I would let him go.
20 May 2016 06:42:19
Well redmen, what can I say, its a season full of almosts. Good but not quite good enough, I think that sums the team up too.
I try not to be to critical of players after a loss, especially a final, as no1 sets out to lose.
Poor Moreno is getting battered from all angles at the moment, fans media etc.
However I said to my friend before the game it doesn't matter how well we play it can change in an instance as our back 4 is always prone to a mistake! Unfortunately my prediction came true 😭
I have to say I was disappointed with our subs more than anything, I feel klopp got them wrong.
From the 55th minute I was saying we need a 3rd centre mid to steady the game, either the experienced Lucas or the captain! Nothing happened and we got carved open in the 65th.
We then panicked and brought on a half fit forward! I feel more thought was needed with this one. We were losing the midfield and needed to win that battle first so would of been hendo for me as he also adds an attacking threat.
My next sub would of been benteke for the simple fact despite sturridge being isolated we were (mainly migs) sending long ball after long ball up to him! Benteke could of won these.
Still hindsight is a wonderful thing and that's just my views.
Onwards and upwards reds. I feel we have lot to look forward to next season.
20 May 2016 08:04:28
Your views are spot on Carra mate. Pretty much everyone here agrees to it including the editors. We just have to hope Klopp improves on his tactical attributes.
20 May 2016 06:37:36
So eds who gets you most excited in this transfer window?
{Ed001's Note - Kat Dennings, or maybe Hayley Attwell.....}
20 May 2016 07:48:39
not that man. players hehe.
{Ed001's Note - oh yeah they don't really excite me sorry, I don't swing that way. Best asking Ed004, though expect a treatise on formations as well....}
20 May 2016 08:00:42
Ed001
While I agree with Hayley Atwell, Kat dennings odd choice. You've seen those pics of hers aren't you? 😂😂.
{Ed001's Note - I liked her for ages, dunno why, long before I saw the pics.}
20 May 2016 08:06:20
Has to be Kate Abdo.
{Ed001's Note - no idea who that is, even after googling her.}
20 May 2016 13:27:09
what pics.
20 May 2016 04:29:40
Waiting for exam result is more safer than watching moreno defend!
20 May 2016 00:24:59
If u want to give Emre can a big thumbs up then u are totally clueless about the game. After all, what is emre can? He is a defensive midfielder. His role is the same as Fernandinho of city or Matic of chavski. Which is to DEFEND. The one and only job of a defensive midfielder is to protect the back line. That is it. If somebody is not good at that then it doesn't matter what else they do.
Emre can can not defend. He has a 0 defensive awareness or instict. Yes I know he bursts forward a few times in a game but how does that help? It doesn't matter wtf he does if he simply can't defend nd protect the back line. Defensively he gets run over like a stooge. Becuz he ain't an expert like Lucas or mascherano or busquets.
He is as clueless as Charlie Adams was when he played there for a few games for us. A proper central defender was the problem we had during Bodgers. We conceded so many silly goal during him. Beciz we had no cdm. And usually u need two not one. city have Fernando nd fernandinho. Rafa had Lucas and mascherano. What a joy it was to see Lucas and masch play together.
They dominated the shit out of teams like real Madrid at that time. And here we are now. Bodger brought these one dimensions Run Past 10 men dribblers. They can not defend. They can not pass like modric. All they can do is dribble past 5,players at a time and lose the ball. In our entire squad we have only one cdm. One expert cdm Lucas. Lucas woudve dealt with Sevilla on his own.
Milner is another stupid player. His defensive work is soooo awful. I request u guys to watch him defend in the midfield role for one. Shocking. Even a league two player can run past him 3 times then nutmeg nd do all sorts of stuff. Thank god we have klopp. He knows wat joke we are dealing with . He needs nd will get proper defensive midfielders in the summer.
20 May 2016 05:04:35
I agree I feel can is massively overrated by people that don't understand the position properly. Just watch him closely and you'd understand he has massive deficits playing in that sitting role.
Yesterday was a perfect example at how weak our midfield is when you don't have any experience and top quality in there. Can has a lot of potential but people are making him out to be our future captain (which is borderline nonsense) or the finished article and he is far from any of them. We need a much better midfielder. Someone that reads the game well with proper midfielders quality and experience, to either partner hendo or can.
Let it be known that a fully fit and on form hendo is miles ahead of a fully fit on form can. Hendo just understands the position a lot better. Can is not a defensive midfielder, I'd say he's more of a box to box midfielder but isn't even good at that as his stats suggest.
Even hendo being injured for most of the season he still registers better figures than can. Yet can is somehow seen as our midfield maestro haha. If that's the case then it just proves how bang average our squad is as can should never in a million years be our best midfielder.
{Ed001's Note - he doesn't play a sitting role. Anyone who thinks he does I fear for. The only point he played a holding role was when Allen came on and Klopp changed things around.}
20 May 2016 05:46:20
Emre Can is not a defensive midfielder. some believe so just because rodgers played him at right back and center backs. he can fill those roles because well he had to, to be in the team. similarly for germany. he is box to box player, he loves to run with the ball etc etc .
he is more similar to henderson.
he never is was will be a defensive mid. he can sometimes dominate the midfield with some tackles interceptions and winning headers but he cannot protect your defence by sitting in front of it. it baffles me now that lucas didn't start the final to provide defensive cushion since sakho wasnt there and moreno has always been a liability defensively.
It just tells you how clueless klopp is at times. All he wants is the gegenpress and whilst it worked well in the first half once sevilla changed in the second half we got ran over, partly because we were still trying to press instead of defending, partly because it takes a lot out of players. as soon as we conceded quick in the second half and were literally destroyed in the first five minutes he should have brought on lucas or even skrte (well not really) to absorb and shore up the defence just to break their play and momentum.
Instead he continued with his team and brought on a half match fit origi in for firmino once we had conceded the second. How stupid is that? once you are 2-1 you have to get rock solid defensively and get lucas on to ensure you don't concede the third and are in the game but no, he brings on allen and benteke next! So we weren't good at all but it has to go down to Klopp, he didn't change the system right, you can't gegenpress once its found out.
Football finals are won solely on great defensive prowess alone. We would have won the game if after their first goal and relentless pressure he would have sent Lucas on to just do what lucas does. Intercept and break play and slow down the game.
I had not said this for long enough but I can't believe how people here just jump on players it was 100 percent klopps fault, he should changed his system in the second half when they were ascending all over us. he didnt. yea moreno can etc well the entire team didn't do much at all to help their cause but i think their desperation got them weak in the knees.
at that time you needed senior cool and defensively sound players like lucas or even skrtel to change the pace of game and make it a bit scrappy. instead klopp let us be ran over still stick with the press. and it obviously doesn't need bright mind to realise when you press for the ball with two three players pressuring for the same ball you are leaving huge gaps in the pitch and when the opposition knows this they will just play the ball in the gaps expecting one of their player reaches it.
and then its their attack. so to play that kind of game one has to ensure their is always lucas sititng back to ensure their is one player filling in the huge gap in midfield. unfortunately for us in basel neither of can or milner were capable enough to be that man. and it hurt us. i hope Klopp understands he can't act all stubborn with his gegenpress and incorporates more styles in his coaching.
I hope he understands his way has been found out big time at times in this season. so while many first 30 minutes of the game will go our way but the game might not. So either he makes his players machines in training that can relentlessly successfully gegenpress the whole 90-95 minutes or he adopts some tactful changes in his style.
I fear Klopp will not change his style but he will rather train his players to the max to play his style of game. whilst we might win many games in the league with his style, i don't think its the best style for a big final. I am with Klopp 100 percent, if he thinks he can train the team to press 90-95 minutes he will do it. But its always necessary to accept sometimes that you way is failing and be proactive and switch to plan B. with passionate guys like Klopp sometimes that is an issue, its hard for them to change something they believe in.
Hope that made sense, and wasnt complete rubbish. i try to write in english, so please excuse my punctuation and tenses.
{Ed001's Note - there was no gegenpress, we have not used that style at all yet. Klopp in no way played that way in the final.}
20 May 2016 05:54:28
then its just headless people running for the same ball leaving gaps behind them. Ed001, how many times did two or three players try to go for same player to win the ball leaving gaps that surely has to be press. if not what was that? over eagerness?
{Ed001's Note - yes over eagerness. A press is not everyone charging to the ball, nor is a gegenpress.}
20 May 2016 06:05:22
Klopp’s philosophy when losing is he rather lose 5 -0 and go for it rather than lose 1-0 nad not take risk, he said b4.that explain the situation.
20 May 2016 06:42:44
The only game we have remotely done Gegenpress is Spurs at WHL.
Do you think that Klopp is holding off from that style till next season ed?
{Ed001's Note - I don't know, he gradually moved away from it during his time at Dortmund, so I see little reason to expect him to return to it.}
20 May 2016 09:50:40
Klopp has said he sees this team as a possession team, which stands up as the fraud even though didn't know his arse from his elbow was trying to build a possession team.
20 May 2016 11:03:22
Can is a box to box midfielder, never has been or will be a DM.
21 May 2016 02:23:51
Im sorry ed01, but i cudnt make sense of your opinion. You said that can only switched to holding position when allen came on. Then please explain that who the heck was playing holding position untill that time if it wasnt can. Nd wat position was can playing. Can is not a cdm.
I know dat. He is clueless in that position. But that does not mean that he was not playing cdm for us. because he was. So what your saying ed01 is totally illogical. He has always played the deep midfield position which is known in football as cdm. If u didn't know. And if u play further upfront they call u CAM. Now can is not a genuine cdm. I thibk he should be playing CAM as his defending is shite. But u need to understand a simple fact that when u play deep in midfield, or let's say u play right in front of the back line (saying this incase u don't understand what a deeper midfield role is), then u are a holding midfielder.
Nd no matter if your leo messi or ronaldo or maradona, your main job is to protect the back line. Even if u have the tag of an attacking midfielder, that is your job. Nd that's y your the holding midfielder which emre was.
19 May 2016 22:44:09
Hi eds,
I've seen over the last week or two that Ben chilwell has been very strongly linked. What is your view of him and how far away is he from being able to play in the premier league on a regular basis?
Thanks in advance.
{Ed001's Note - we have been interested for a while, looks to have a lot of potential, but it is impossible to tell really how close he is until he gets a run of games. Harry Kane looked miles away from being a first team player until he got his shot. Other players are the opposite, look ready, get a chance and just crumble. From what i have seen though, I would say he is ready for a chance. I think he might well get one next season, though just not sure where at yet.}
20 May 2016 06:35:07
I hope so, would be nice to see an English left back do well at liverpool.
19 May 2016 22:06:00
Hay Ed 001 any idea why it didn't work out for Trickett-Smith?
Seen him a couple of times and thought he would be one to at least get a look in the first team before being shipped out. I used the serch function but nothing much.
Thanks in advance.
{Ed001's Note - he didn't progress, I am told his attitude wasn't right. Not as in he was a Balotelli, but just not what was needed to push through.}
20 May 2016 05:51:26
A number of the younger players will be moved on this summer, and that is because they simply have not made the progress they were expected to do. That is not a reflection on their attitude as such (most often), but more that some players develop slower, and some simply don't develop at all. When chances are given (and they will be few at the senior level in the beginning), they need to be taken.
Rossitter has moved to Rangers, Trickett-Smith to Sacramento Republic, O'Hanlon (once of interest to Real Madrid) is trying out for Championship teams, Cleary has confirmed he is leaving, Sinclair is expected to join Watford, McLaughlin, Dunn, Jones are all likely to be moved on as well.
IMO, Brannagan, Randall, Canos and Kent need loan stints, perhaps in the Championship (especially with reduced number of matches next season) . Ward is expected to spend the next season at Huddersfield (who like to loan in youngsters from teams in the PL), while Fulton could do with another loan, perhaps to the Championship too (he was the best 'keeper at the academy setup until a year ago) .
If Chilwell comes in, I see no reason to keep Smith, and would let him go. Stewart has looked okay in the games he has played, and I would keep him as cover, while Ibe badly needs a change of scenery (hopefully temporarily) . Ojo, I would keep as the squad winger.
While not academy related as such, but squad players like Wisdom, Tex, Ilori, Yesil, Alberto will all be gone no doubt.
19 May 2016 18:18:39
Hello Ed002, if you are around, has there been any changes in the transfer summary since you last gave one?
{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of anthing significant.}
19 May 2016 23:49:43
If we are looking at ben chilwell is he good enough to start in the prem or one for the future?
20 May 2016 01:32:17
As long as a new lb comes in, i'm ok with that.
20 May 2016 02:57:03
He is seen as one for the future, and perhaps can start in the FA Cup and League Cup if he comes.
20 May 2016 05:06:37
Well no you shouldn't be ok with that because we need a better one that what we have already.
20 May 2016 05:35:48
Exactly Kman92. I just don't want him to be in the team any longer. He frustrates me more than Migs does to me. I've been seeing the same things throughout, and that game was the max that I can bear. I thought previously, no worries, he'll gets better, and all, but no it is getting worse. I shouldn't be talking about any players like this, but I couldn't help it, really.
19 May 2016 23:28:21
We haven't had a strong midfield since Alonso left. we need a tough tackler in there. Would love banega grom sevilla, would even have macherano back! Instead of adding fancy creative players we need a bit of steel!
20 May 2016 00:32:26
Agree. But we need to scout properly, we cantbkeep buying players who played well against us like how we bought a bunch from Southampton.