Liverpool Banter Archive March 20 2016

20 Mar 2016 22:18:12
Eds

Just came across some thing interesting but not 100% on its validity.

If man city manage to win the champions league ( Highly unlikely ) and we beat Dortmund there's a probability that there won't be a 4th champions league spot for a premier league side next season.

Any truth in this or can you shed any light on what I'm saying?

Thanks in advance 😀

Ps
heads up everyone after today just look past it as a lesson learned and not to be repeated, onwards and upwards.

{Ed002's Note - Beating Dortmund does not win the Europa League.}

21 Mar 2016 06:43:54
Don't get this question at all!

4th place will only miss out on a CL place if Man City win the CL and finish outside the top 4.

It's got nothing to do with us and the Europa league.

21 Mar 2016 08:39:29
If (big If) Man city and Liverpool win their europe competitions and are not in the top 4 then the top 3 + Man City + Liverpool will be the only english representation in the Champions league next year - due to a maximum of 5 teams from the same country being allowed in the Champs League.

$th spot drops into europa.

I believe this is what the OP was trying to get accross.

{Ed002's Note - That is not what he said. My answer was correct.}

21 Mar 2016 08:22:22
Ron if city win the champions league and finish outside the top 4 then all the top 4 and city enter next seasons champs league (5 teams allowed)

If we win the Europa and city win the cl and both finish outside the top 4 then whoever finished 4 gets the boot as only 5 teams will be allowed in cl. So we want to win Europa and city win cl and united to finish 4th. That well would be to good haha.

21 Mar 2016 19:40:27
Can I just clarify:

A few years ago 'Arry Redknapps Spurs finished 4th and Chelsea finished 5th but they won the champions league.

Only 4 teams qualified and Spurs missed out.

Regardless of the Europa, if City win the CL and finish out of the top 4, will 4th place still go into the CL?

I thought not but would be interested in opinions, especially Ed002.

{Ed002's Note - Yes, the rules have been changed to allow for that.}

21 Mar 2016 20:03:18
Not suggesting you was incorrect Ed - was just implying what the poster was trying to say not what they did say - enjoy your day :o)

{Ed002's Note - I can only answer the questions put in front of me. If they mean something else or contain secret messages I may well miss them as I simply don't have the time to figure that out.}

20 Mar 2016 17:59:08
League is Gone anyway. Went ages ago.
Our entire season comes down to Europa League now and I hope Firmino is back for Dortmund.

20 Mar 2016 18:06:03
Looks like both Pep and Klopp would be playing in Thursday night Footie. who saw that coming?

20 Mar 2016 18:22:27
Today was a great opportunity to put pressure on the top four, unfortunately the intro suction of Skrtel cost us, why our managers have confidence in him I will never know.

20 Mar 2016 18:22:27
Today was a great opportunity to put pressure on the top four, unfortunately the intro suction of Skrtel cost us, why our managers have confidence in him I will never know.

20 Mar 2016 18:45:02
That was an "intro suction" from Skrtel alright.

20 Mar 2016 18:46:32
In reality we are no further away from top 4 than we were before the game.

20 Mar 2016 18:51:47
I don't think it matters who we play at the back, they are all useless at defending. How anyone rates Sakho is beyond me, and Lovren definitely hasn't improved under Klopp. I suppose you have to make allowances for Flannigan, due to his absence through injury. But all in all the back 4 was a shambles second half. Why in gods name didn't Klopp strengthen the midfield when it was obvious we were being overrun there. Rant over.

20 Mar 2016 19:04:30
1st goal, wtf are Flanno and Can doing to give possession away? This cost us the goal. That said, Migs was not set when the shot came in, he should not have been beaten so easily from that angle.
2nd goal: All about Pelle really, and our complete failure to deal with the knockdown.
3rd goal - never ever back pass it to Migs when we're under pressure- fatal mistake. Migs kick - worse than useless. Skrtel misses the header and then he and Allen make a total shambles of the clearance. Sakho has to get closer to Mane especially after the first goal.

The goals were down to poor individual errors and stupid decisons but the team looked knackered to me after halftime and didn't compete well enough in every position.

20 Mar 2016 18:19:04
Looking unlikely for us to qualify now. Dortmund's attack is too strong for us unless we start both Dejan Lovren and Mamadou Sakho with Lucas Leiva sitting in just front of them.

20 Mar 2016 18:58:54
More no sakho has been phenomenal the past few games next to lovren, and down to no coincidence the reintroduction of skrtel put him back to a completely different player.

Ed001 constantly told us it was skrtel and today proves it.

20 Mar 2016 13:16:32
Hey Eds and reds . Silly season fast approaching all I can say to some of the stories is i believe for a long time maybe since Rafa we have a manager that will address the problems in the squad rather than sign a player because the player is good and available . We need to address the problem areas in the squad and selling Henderson is not 1 of them. In klopp we trust . Wide player and keeper the main 2 in the summer for me.

20 Mar 2016 13:29:42
If selling Henderson helps fund said areas I'd be all for it. As much as I have no I'll feeling towards the man I feel he is completely replaceable and wouldn't be disappointed at all to see him leave.

20 Mar 2016 14:24:48
Agree with 'kopite', Henderson has proven himself 'nowt special', always preferred Allen who i think is now coming to the fore and what with Gruic we should take the money!

20 Mar 2016 14:32:11
Great loyalty there lads to a player who has given 100% every time he has put on the shirt and who has shown he has plenty of quality as well as the right mental attitude. How has Joe Allen shown he is better? Brainless.

20 Mar 2016 14:35:35
I wouldn't entirely agree eith that, rafa was one of the worst managers i have ever seen for transfers.

The guy signed so many players on frees and small money for no reason it nearly bankrupted us, and don't point to alonso or mascherano because they were just a couple of a transfer record that nearly reached 100 players brought in in total.

20 Mar 2016 15:28:14
If interest follows with Xhaka would you sell Henderson

You can always improve tho Henderson earned the right to be in the team.

20 Mar 2016 15:55:58
Seano nothing to do with loyalty. If its a good offer for the club and the player why not then.

20 Mar 2016 15:59:55
Southampton just proved what nonsense this is - Seano hit it on the head. Allen can sometimes do a very good job but he's not capable of playing in a 2 man midfield or a 4-4-2 against many sides in the PL, he was anonymous in the second half and got pushed around by the pace and physicality of Wanyama, Mane etc.

20 Mar 2016 16:53:25
Selling Henderson has definitely be the way to go, no 2 ways about it. The fact that flanno wss tried out for captain tells a lot about what klopp gg to do this summer.

20 Mar 2016 16:59:01
Today proved that Allen is too lightweight to be a regular centre midfielder. Priorities for me this summer are a top class keeper, Mignolet again proved that the basics are beyond him, a top class centre midfielder (Xhaka would improve our central midfield 110%), a winger and maybe a left back.

20 Mar 2016 17:08:10
Allen was brilliant in the first half thanks to Saints poor approach and weak midfield. He was up against a 3 men midfield in the second half all alone. Got bullied.

{Ed001's Note - he wasn't brilliant, he got forward well but gave no protection to the defence, which was why Lovren was exposed. Second half we didn't get enough of the ball, so his lack of defensive positioning was shown up. At one point their entire midfield were in behind him and Can and neither of them did anything to drop back to fill in spaces. Hendo would never have allowed that to happen. Allen is simply not good enough to be anything more than a sub. We need Henderson in there or we struggle, as was shown again.}

20 Mar 2016 17:51:10
We need 3 CM else we struggle and we have been struggling a lot lately. Out creative skillful players in Firmino and Coutinho doesn't help midfielders defensively.
Can-Allen-Henderson could have won the game today hands down.

20 Mar 2016 17:59:38
Ed you are very quick to blame Allen but wasn't Can playing in more of a DM position? Didn't see him do much to protect.

{Ed001's Note - Can has been playing a box to box role, but he at least gets involved in breaking up play, and does at least as much when getting forward. I was not absolving him of blame, I pointed out they were both caught out, was just that I was pointing out that Allen was the issue as Hendo would not have let Can get so far out of place.}

20 Mar 2016 18:09:53
Henderson and allen should both be sold. I'm praying for the day when i don't have to argue with fellow liverpool fans over bang average players.

{Ed001's Note - bang average? I long for the day when people can see qualities other than a glory seeker shooting for goal from 40 yards 20 times a game and appreciate players who fill a role in the team.}

20 Mar 2016 18:32:51
Hendo has come on leaps and bounds under Klopp with more to come. Carrying a persistent heel injury which is deemed incurable or untreatable but he carries on. Gives his all for the club and team. A role model for the youngsters and not least our CAPTAIN!
If we can't get behind our own captain and support him through any troubles he has then why would he want to stay?

Some real synical posters on here. Lovren out, Sakho out. Allen out. Now Allen stay. Sturridge out, Hendo out.

We're LFC. We're not supposed to walk alone?

20 Mar 2016 18:28:30
ED001 you are referring to?

{Ed001's Note - isn't it obvious?}

20 Mar 2016 18:31:23
Ed00: They're bang average to me mate. the only people that rate them are some liverpool fans. I've never meet a none liverpool fan who rates them. we need much better.

{Ed001's Note - who cares? Other fans only see them when they face them and then they are busy looking at their own team. Unless they get hyped in the media, no one will notice them. Makalele was not rated by anyone until he left Madrid and they fell apart without him. Every time Hendo is missing we struggle, that should be enough to tell you he is far from bang average. You might want to show some respect for a player that is playing through pain for the club, instead of jumping on his back.}

20 Mar 2016 19:06:44
You're not a Coutinho fan then?

{Ed001's Note - that sounds nothing like Coutinho, or I would have said jinked past players in there too.}

20 Mar 2016 19:12:04
No ed001 many people watch a lot of football and have seen them play many times - they just don't rate them. and everyone i know rated makelele. on another planet to hendo and allen. Me not rating hendo is not a lack of respect, its just my opinion. i'm sure there's liverpool players you don't rate.

{Ed001's Note - if you say so. You are just another boo boy on the back of a player for the sake of it. He is still one of our better players, whether you or these whoever they are you are discussing it with are able to see it or not.}

20 Mar 2016 19:19:38
This breaking up play has been a problem since Lucas or Masch. We have tried every midfielder with us.

20 Mar 2016 19:24:11
C'mon ed001 your always on here criticizing players lol.

{Ed001's Note - yes but I explain why, not just whine about them being average.}

20 Mar 2016 19:36:52
Sorry then Ed you have me as I don't know of any player we have bar cuots who actually shoots from outside the box.

{Ed001's Note - I was not talking about this season mate, I was talking about in general over history. People worship anyone who does that, no matter how lacking the rest of their game is, but no one notices the dirty work done by others to allow them to break forward.}

20 Mar 2016 20:34:10
Ed was saying in general but to be honest i actually do think coutinho is guilty of that and the people do overrate him because of it.

20 Mar 2016 22:19:06
Mcgoveb Iv'e just come back from work and am tired as hell and even I know who Ed001 is referring to.

20 Mar 2016 23:49:15
Sithy am with u. It hurts so much to see that fans have drop their standards of Liverpool players to accept Hendo as good. No way is he good enough. Henderson has to go and give us Pogba like midfielder.

21 Mar 2016 01:27:57
ed, i agree about allen. but he should have milner and lallanas roles. far better than those two, unless you feel their headless chicken workrate matters more. its a shame lucas and hendo are unfit.

{Ed001's Note - you think Allen should play a wide role? I have heard it all now! Allen's only use is coming on from the bench, he is as much of a headless chicken as those two, but with less pace.}

21 Mar 2016 04:41:55
not exactly a wide role is it. the whole team interchanges, and lallana and milner are not exactly wide players. the aim of the game is to score goals, and allen could have easily had two today. he's looked dangerous ever since klopps arrived. he has a knack for being in the right places, he see's danger. I'm not saying he's messi but he's deserves a place ahead of milner and lallana, in the attacking roles. anyway, where people are moaning at hendo. looks like youve targeted allen who doesn't really deserve it. he's shown plenty of quality, he just won't do us any good in a 2 man midfield.

{Ed001's Note - he was awful yesterday, missing an absolute sitter and being totally absent in the second half. He is not good enough and would offer nothing in that role, he wouldn't even know how to play it. By the way, there is a huge difference between playing wide and drifting inside when your team is in possession and being a central player. Allen is a central player, Milner and Lallana drift inside from wide. I am not targeting Allen, he simply is not good enough and a couple of decent sub performances do not change that, no matter how much MOTD fever has got to you. Your name must be the most ironic username ever.}

21 Mar 2016 04:44:25
You could perhaps argue Milner or Llalana should have more central roles, but Allen a wide role? Seriously?

21 Mar 2016 05:13:39
"he wouldn't even know how to play it" and milner and lallana do? anyway I wouldn't play him wide. i would preferably stick him in a 3 man midfeild. all I know is I would like him on the pitch. yes I knew this name would come back to haunt me but it also tells me people have not much worth saying when they point it out in a closing argument.

{Ed001's Note - or perhaps it just tells you how ridiculous your suggestions are? Milner and Lallana have been doing well lately over 90 minutes, while Allen has only performed well for a few minutes a game. Upgrades over them are defo needed, Lallana reverted back to holding on to possession too long yesterday, which is frustrating, but Allen is not an upgrade over either. He would be lost out there, bit like he was in central midfield yesterday. The guy has no positional sense, at all. Playing him wider is not going to change that. That is why he has been coming on to play in front of the midfield, where his lack of positioning is not so much of an issue.}

20 Mar 2016 12:41:27
Hello all. Long long time reader first time poster, quite fitting considering who we are playing today. Just hoping we get a good result today! What a moment for flanno as well!

20 Mar 2016
The real time live chat page is open for today's Liverpool match at the below link for you to talk to each other during the match
Liverpool Live Chat page

20 Mar 2016 10:20:53
Any streams that will work on iPad for today's game?

20 Mar 2016 10:37:29
cricfree. sx streams work on ipad if it has puffin or dolphin enabled on it.

vrcomp
Y. N. W. A.

20 Mar 2016 10:40:27
Dry Puffin app then ronaldo7.

20 Mar 2016 12:50:16
How do you enable puffin and dolphin?

I'm terrible with these things

A step by step guide would be really appreciated

Thanks lads.

20 Mar 2016 12:51:25
Yeah puffin is good, free app that allows videos to be play on Apple devices, then just the normal streams.

20 Mar 2016 08:01:15
Ed01/ 02 if you are around mate. At this point of time who do you think will win the title this season mate?
I am not giving a green light for Leicester yet.

{Ed001's Note - they are in pole position so you have to favour them. If it was Man City chasing them down, they have the experience to put pressure on them, but Arsenal and Spurs are as likely to fold under pressure as anyone.}

20 Mar 2016 08:05:35
Leicester remaining fixtures are pretty tough. Spurs must win it as they deliberately fielded a weakened team in th EL to prioritize the league. Agree with you on Arsenal and City.

20 Mar 2016 08:17:27
I think we'll finish above Spurs.

Leicester have it IMO, I thought they'd drop more points over the last 3 games but they keep digging out results.

20 Mar 2016 08:23:58
Tottenham have us, Stoke and Chelsea away, Southampton, United at home, Newcastle away will be difficult too. I think it's Leicesters.

20 Mar 2016 08:33:37
Arsenal looks to be a bit too far away and was looking down more than up. But a look at their fixtures shows it is not the most difficult run in. In fact Leicester's final games are not easy. West Ham is on fire, Everton would not be easy, a trip to Old Trafford (who knows which MU team will show up and they have done well away at the big clubs), Chelsea can turn it on if they want.

I would love to see Leicester win it. What a season the would be, if both Leicester and West Ham end up in the top 4!

20 Mar 2016 09:50:10
Leicester will win it hands down. Arsenal will somehow grab 2 nd spot and Spurs will blow it i'm sure of that. City will finish 4th and West Ham get 5th. Liverpool 6th and Utd 7th.

20 Mar 2016 17:54:56
After today's results, I don't think we'll catch Spurs.