Liverpool Banter Archive March 20 2014

 

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20 Mar 2014 22:12:24
(Ed02) That was such a nice reply from you in relation to B.Rogers. Is your wit slipping a little bit or maybe BR is familiar with your past (i.e. reasons for being refused entry to other countries). Now I'm more used to the character assassinating, sharp witted, cut throat answering Ed02. Anyway just adds to the mysterious Ed image. Should we throw around "worked for the CIA" rumour. Done some black ops stuff in his "dark past" but now he's undercover as Ed02. How many believes will we get for this one. Still best rumour and banter site on the web keep it up " Well done All the Eds"

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21 Mar 2014 06:43:56
Haven't you worked it out yet Jim? There is no Ed02. The Matrix is real. He is just a program, like the rest of us. Except of course for Mourinho, he's special, he thinks he is the Matrix.

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21 Mar 2014 10:26:10
Ed02 is Gandalf.

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20 Mar 2014 21:44:42
Mangela looks some player. Shame he is another left cb though.

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We have a player who is better in Sakho.

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Thats why I said ashame he is lcb. As I know Sakho is long term lcb and the fact teams don't play two left footers.
I still think we need a world class rcb as who knows if Ilori will make the grade.

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{Ed002's Note - Mangala is not an option for Liverpool.}

Even if he was right footed in an alternate Universe, we wouldn't be able to afford him.

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20 Mar 2014 20:47:05
Anyone else think we should rest stevie vs Cardiff, not by any means saying it's a walkover, just think coutinho should start, and Allen and hendo are playing well, 4-3-3 with stevie rested could be an option! Don't want him missing the big two if he does pick up a knock!

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Maybe we could do fine with that selection but I think Gerrard's holding up fine with the schedule, I think consistency now is key to maintaining momentum if we really are to push on with a title challenge

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20 Mar 2014 22:57:52
I think BR will get it right.
He has proved me wrong on several thoughts I had at the beginning of the season.

Live & learn!

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I'm sure the players can all cope with 1 to 2 games a week (with none going to extra time).

I'd rather we play our strongest team each game (if possible); if we find ourselves in a decent lead then by all means make substitutions.

I would hate for players to be rested and then the blame game starts (as remembered in 2008-9 - Bringing Torres off etc. )

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21 Mar 2014 01:30:41
The difference between now is we can make subtle changes without weakening the side.
This is due mostly to players really stepping up when needed.
Agger can come out for Sakho, Enrique for Flanno,
Gerrard for Allen, Lucas for Coutinho,
We didn't really have that in 2008-2009!

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I don't see the need to rest Stevie when he is doing so well. I am pretty sure he can cope with playing a game a week, even at his age.

I would be more worried about complacency setting in after our impressive form of late.

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Don't see how resting our captain for an away game makes sense. I know Cardiff aren't in great form but their ground is not a cake walk and we'll need players with Stevie's personality and resolve - its the sort of game he should definitely be playing in. Sunderland at home would be a different proposition.

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20 Mar 2014 19:34:40
I don’t watch Portuguese football but benfica are far better than spurs over the to legs I admire how brave are on the ball especially at the back just wondering if we ever tracked any of there players (MOTD fever I no) but they play the right type of fotball

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The lb is quality imo. If I'm not mistaken, he was being tracked by Real as an option if coentrao did leave in the previous summer window (2013). I might be wrong though so can an ed confirm it?

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{Ed002's Note - Granada's Guilherme Siqueira was subject to interest from Galatasaray, Fulham, Liverpool, Everton and Lille. Benfica now have Guilherme Siqueira for this year and will look to take him on a permanent deal (if they can get a deal or a trade to reduce the €7M fee). Real Madrid might still have an interest in Siqueira as a replacement for Coentrao but they really want Moreno.}

Thanks for the reply, ed2

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Hi Ed's I remember us alledgedly being interested in him last year - not sure if my memory serves me right but I thought that his price kept increasing to over 12 million (sorry can't remember if it was £ or Euros) - so was surprised his fee is now 7m Euros.

Didn't watch the game so can't comment if he would be an improvement on the current squad.

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{Ed002's Note - OK, you are surprised.}

I suppose I am - thanks for the confirmation Ed :o)

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20 Mar 2014 19:34:40
I don’t watch Portuguese football but benfica are far better than spurs over the to legs I admire how brave are on the ball especially at the back just wondering if we ever tracked any of there players (MOTD fever I no) but they play the right type of fotball

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{Ed002's Note - No, and as you say it is MOTD fever.}

20 Mar 2014 18:28:33
Ed001, do you.see a big.future for allen?

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{Ed001's Note - yes, I think he is a very good player.}

I think that he is a cracking player. In 2 years time nobody will admit that they doubted his ability. There aren't many players out there like him - and once he gets more goals to his game he will be world class. I know my opinion is worth squat, but I think he is already very very good, but still improving. I'm delighted that he's getting game time, and he will show his importance in the next nine games.

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I don't think goals are that big a part of his game - I reckon his strength lies in his ability to find space to receive a pass around the halfway line and lay off the right ball further up the pitch. Then as the whole team pushes up he can sit behind the attackers and provide an outlet for the ball if things get sticky and possession needs to be kept. Although sometimes you do see him making runs into the box etc. it all depends on how the team is set up on the day.

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I don't think goals are that big a part of his game - I reckon his strength lies in his ability to find space to receive a pass around the halfway line and lay off the right ball further up the pitch. Then as the whole team pushes up he can sit behind the attackers and provide an outlet for the ball if things get sticky and possession needs to be kept. Although sometimes you do see him making runs into the box etc. it all depends on how the team is set up on the day.

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Isn't it great we have so many players who give their all for the cause.
Henderson has been just awesome this year, maybe whiskeys nose's comments have back fired me thinks.
he said we needed 8 players to win the league, well it looks like they are in need of those 8 players.
Ths season has been joy to watch a few slip ups here and there but all in all I couldn't be happier.

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For the 1st time in years Liverpool have a team like there isn't 1 player out there who isn't fighting for his team mates (even Johnson is after upping his game) Rogers built team spirit passion and gave the player belief just keep progressing like we did this season we'll be fine

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Joe Allen is a very good player, but I don't see him adding goals to his game. What he does is provide balance, workrate and passing very well to the team. I thought the Manchester United game was as good a game he had with us.

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I am happy that he is proving me wrong, completely changed my view on him and it's obvious what he brings to the side, his work ethic, passing and ability to find space, I think as his confidence grows we may see the odd goal from him, just like Henderson.

Also how good is it that over half of our starting line up is British? And at least 3 have come through the youth team?

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20 Mar 2014 15:37:13
I think in the summer I personally would like to see us sign 1 top centre back.
I know we have lots already but I would only really keep Sakho and Agger and call back Ilori then I'd like us to buy an established CB. Hummels would probably not be possible and I'm not sure about Godin or Lovren but that's the sort of calibre signing I'm talking about.
Any thoughts Ed(s)

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{Ed002's Note - So you would sell Kelly, Coates, Toure, Skrtel, Wisdom, Smith and Coady and replace them with a single player? Seems unlikely Chris.

I wasn't including the youngsters Ed but I would sell Coates, Skrtel and Toure and replace them with 1 player

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{Ed002's Note - I would think selling Toure would be difficult but Coates will leave and either Agger or Skrtel will leave I expect. You are right about Hummels of course - he won't be joining.}

I guessed as much Ed, I honestly can't say I know if Godin is good enough but he's spoken of highly but my pick would be Lovren (again, won't be easy). Unless of course you can recommend another name or two that may be both of a good enough quality and available in that position.
I hope though that we include Ilori in our future plans

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{Ed002's Note - There is a lot of interest in Hinteregger but only vague speculation about interest from Liverpool. Rojo's name cropped up as well.}

I don't think we need a CB to replace any of Skrtel, Sakho, Agger or Toure, maybe bring Andre Wisdom back into the first team, sell Coates and loan out Kelly. However, if Skrtel leaves then we would need a RCB to go straight into the starting 11, but if Agger leaves we will need a third choice CB as we already have Sakho as first choice LCB.

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I agree. Not on the selling everyone part but CB is where we are weakest. I feel with a world class centre back we'd be sat on top of the league now with a comfy lead. It's only the back 4 that needs sorting IMO.

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To play Champions League football and compete in the league and 2 cup competitions you need nearly 2 teams, 22 players who you can rely on. My opinion is that the likes of Aspas, Alberto, Coady, Wisdom, Borini, Coates, are not good enough to do that for us. I also agree that Agger or Skrtel will be sold (i think Agger) & Reina is obviously gone too. Have I missed anyone? Lol

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There is interest in Rojo from Liverpool, according to Sporting CP anyway. It's funny though as my source for Liverpool cannot find out either way.

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20 Mar 2014 22:14:45
Ed02 I know Hummels is extremely unlikely but do you not reckon he or a player of his quality might recognise that realistically Liverpool have a better chance of winning the title in the next few years than Dortmund?

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{Ed002's Note - Hummels will not be moving to Liverpool. Dortmund will be ranked about 10 by the beginning of next season and Liverpool in the 50s.}

20 Mar 2014 13:55:15
Hey ed01, I was just curious what your thoughts are on the spending this summer. I feel like when our squad is fully fit we are deep enough to handle the champions league weight and everything. Seeing as we are still losing lots of money each year, would you be ok if we literally bought no players this summer?

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{Ed001's Note - yes, as we have a few out on loan and some kids that could come up from the youth teams.}

Thanks Ed, I'm the same way. Maybe one player or more if there are free transfers to take advantage of. I really don't see us needing anything! It's stunning when you look at how young our squad is still.

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We need to add to aid help in the European games but if we bought to replace players i'd be happy

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I think Rodgers has a good understanding of the squad (so glad he's used Sterling and developed him over Moses who is only on loan).

If players leave we hope we will buy better replacements (not sure we would get better than Suarez if he was to leave); but we at least have youngsters that look like they might make it and more than one in numerous positions.

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20 Mar 2014 12:39:09
I am prob a lot older than most people on here and the call for top price players is crazy, for instance Luke Shaw, talented kid no doubt and will be a top left back, but for the money it would take to get him really? I go back to when there was a player called Kenny Samson like Shaw who is going to be England's left back in the future but the money for Samson at the time was stupid, look at Baines and Coleman the two best full bks imo in the prem, they cost buttons, it's all about the scouting and I totally agree with fsg vision!

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I agree with you to a certain extent Frank; but Baines didn't set the world alight for a few seasons since his move from Wigan to Everton; unfortunately we and a lot of teams supporters don't want to give people 1 season to be world class let alone 3 or 4.

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20 Mar 2014 12:33:17
Ed 002,
I get where JM is coming from with regards to Liverpool not playing in Europe this year. Do you think he will have also taken into account if Chelsea reach the semi-final stage that they will play Liverpool in between the 2 legs on the 27th of April. I know you can't predict who you would get in each round, but I'm sure he would have looked at upcoming Premier league games in correlation to Champions League dates on the presumption that they got through. I know he likes his mind games but sometimes when he says a spades a spade, it really is a spade lol. I just think he would have genuinely been a little concerned about that particular weekend given our form this year. Be interested in our thoughts.

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{Ed002's Note - I doubt that he is "concerned" as such. It is a matter of having games to play and getting results - really just business as usual.}

Very interesting point he is trying to get his excuses in early me thinks ;)

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I don't necessarily think he's making excuses Dirksdigglers, I just think he's being realistic in that if they reach that stage, traveling up to Anfield would be tough enough without having to play a high pressure semi final either side of it, especially if they have to travel away for the 1st leg. I would certainly concur we would have a slight advantage in those circumstances.

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Chelsea's advantage is having an unlimited purse

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I think everyone is now tired and bored of Mourinho, even the press. In his first tenure in England, he was a breath of fresh air, something different, enigmatic. now he's just very tiresome. I think his antics and time at Madrid put a few nails in the coffin.

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20 Mar 2014 09:06:37
what do you lads think how our team would do in europe. I think we play good, modern, aggresive fast football with lot of pace and trickery. we just need that bit of quality on bench. I don't see any team having counter like ours and turning defence into attack so quickly, maybe real madrid and chelsea.

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I think our attack is good enough to cause any team in Europe a headache. Take Barcelona, arguably one of the best teams in Europe - their high defensive line would be under serious pressure with Sterling/Sturridge/Suarez lurking. It gives teams headaches, makes them sit deeper and gives us more space to operate in. I'm not suggesting we would beat Barca (or any of the top teams) but I think we would be a more than adequate match up for any of them. The only team I would imagine us struggling with is Bayern - their intensity when pressing + there strength all over the pitch would make it a difficult proposition but, as I say, we have an attack capable of getting goals against anyone - if we make CL and are in pot 4 you can guarantee all the big teams will have earmarked us as ones to avoid.

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20 Mar 2014 05:03:33
Hi Eds what are the chances of us buying luke shaw

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{Ed002's Note - About zip.}

20 Mar 2014 05:02:46
Hi Eds, we have not seen much of enrique this season and to me we should let him go because since he has been here he has hardly played for us so his wages are being wasted on a player who has never played a full season for us, we could use his wages to buy a younger left back and coach him to be a Liverpool player, we do have options from young players like robinson and flanno has had a run at left back, I would like us to buy luke shaw and I guess there's plenty of teams who are looking at him, if only we could get in first a pay what he is worth, this season has been great and one final push would see us winning the prem, maybe the game against chelski will be the title decider, no matter what though we will finish in the champ league and that will attract the better players who would not come to us because of that

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{Ed002's Note - I appreciate that Enrique being a Liverpool player is someone you want out. Perhaps in the summer your wish will come true. Shaw, no.}

Why are we fussing about players like Enrique when Flanno is currently on form one of the best full backs in the league?

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20 Mar 2014 17:40:15
I appreciate that there is an argument to be made that we've gotten on fine without him for most of this season and therefore he could be moved on.

But to say that a player who made 78 appearances in his first 2 years here has 'hardly played' is beyond ridiculous. And he actually he was fit and available for more than that: Rodgers didn't play him in the PL for nearly the first two months of last season and used Robinson for all the domestic cup games.

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I know he's apparently a bit of a rogue but I like him, strong quick, good on the ball and sets up a fair few chances! Maybe with Johnson rb it would be too vulnerable at the back but if its flanno I don't see the problem

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20 Mar 2014 03:30:51
Don't see Lpool making any huge signings this summer. only adding some quality depth in the summer, we have a title challenging squad if we can keep all important players and add a few very solid footballers. Not to mention Suso coming back next year I think he's got a very bright future. Cheers, YNWA

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21 Mar 2014 13:21:51
didnt brendan say it was time to buy quality capable of improving r first 11

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20 Mar 2014 01:10:34
United fans want dortmund, psg or athletico in the nxt round apparently they fancy they can beat any of them, can't see it myself

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United would surely be seen as the weakest team left and everyone would want to be drawn with them

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Atletico - form team
Dortmund - consistently high performers for last 4 years
PSG - many people's dark horses
Barcelona - say no more
Real - Top class team and manager
Bayern - favourites

I think Man Utd's best draw is Chelsea. They have played well against them in the league this season. Every other team left in will gub Man Utd.

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Lewandowski is suspended for first game so let's hope they don't get Dortmund. End of the day it don't matter because they never in a million years going to win it

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Knowing United's "luck" they WILL get the second weakest side left in the CL which is Dortmund.

I'm hoping they get Barca this time around so than play watch.

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20 Mar 2014 13:52:53
to be fair we won it with a far worse team in 2005 than utd have now.But really can't see them doing it as bayern real, barca r far stronger than anything put before us in 2005, at least them staying in gives us abu something to cheer on in the comp.

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Utd are not going to win the Champions League. Don't even worry about guys.

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Dortmund are a good side, but I think they are falling behind the other teams in the champions league, I don't think any sides would say no to playing dortmund in the next round

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Don't see why PSG should be seen as dark horses, they spent just under a trillion pounds.

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19 Mar 2014 23:47:24
Can one of the eds please help me out with the details of KKs departure? Was he sacked? Or was it a mutual agreement? I can't seem to get a straight answer anywhere.

Cheers for the hard work Eds

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{Ed001's Note - that is because it depends on who you ask and how they wish to word it. It was really both. He mutually agreed to leave, but he was asked to go, shall we say.}

Thanks for the reply Ed, I did think that was most likely the case, however - as I said - everyone seems to have a different answer.

How do you think the club handled it? I'm not talking about the recruitment of BR per se(so far a bit of a masterstroke), more the handling of the fans & media. I thought they did pretty well, would've been easy for a full blown riot to kick off over the departure, there were rumblings as far as I can remember, but not quite calling for the head of John Henry.

Thanks again for your time mate.

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{Ed001's Note - I don't really think there was a lot more they could have done. It was one of those situations that was always going to cause a problem, but they had to do what they felt was the right thing. I think the mistake was to ever give him the job in the first place, the modern day football fan just doesn't deserve the King. There is too little respect for what he had done in the past and it was never the right move. Once they did so, they did the right thing in asking him to go, rather than just sacking him outright. They allowed him the respect he deserves for all he has done for us fans.}

I agree with a lot of what you said mate.

I don't think he should have been given the job full time, Hodgson had to go, there was no questioning that decision, but KK did well to get us through the rest of the season. IMO their mistake with KK was giving him that contract; by keeping him on for the next season set us back 1 year. If he was never the long term solution I don't know why they gave him the job full time, however I don't begrudge their decision to bring him in for the rest of the 2010-11 season.

They certainly should not have rushed the initial transfer policy(BRITAIN > REST OF THE WORLD), however the club panicked when Torres left, thus the signings of Carroll et al. (Suarez & Henderson are exempt). Overall I'm glad Kenny left with his legend status intact.

Thanks for your time tonight Ed.

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{Ed001's Note - no worries mate. Kenny will always be a legend amongst those that were around during the period of the Hillsborough disaster. What he did following that was way beyond anything that could have been asked of any one man.}

While your on kenny conversation ed. why has he not been knighted?as you and everyone knows he done so much for the 96.

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{Ed001's Note - no idea.}

What was the point of the non-handshake at Wembley and the summons of Kenny to Boston at the time ed001?
Sorry to bring this up btw, time's a great healer and all that.

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{Ed002's Note - It was all explained at the time and you can find it in the archives. He was effectively out following the events at Wigan.}

 
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