Liverpool Banter Archive June 20 2014

20 Jun 2014 22:31:02
Got to say I preferred the old Harry. Have you been smoking some funny stuff with the Norwegian hippies? Or was it the counselling?

Waro. Get on here and sort this out. Everyone's getting on.

Peace

20 Jun 2014 22:39:42
They took my name from me and made me a home fan. I am devastated. with over 4 times getting banned I was at my peak here.
gone with the wind and now a transformed boy.
Let the season begins and Lucas would still start and I ll be back, deadly as ever.
(All smiles)

Good lard

20 Jun 2014 21:37:16
Question for everybody really - what player you hadn't previously heard of/seen much of have you been impressed with in the world cup so far?

For me Joel Campbell has been very impressive. Also thought James Rodriquez of Colombia has been very good - I know he's very well known I just haven't seen much of him till the WC.

Valbuena, Cuadrado (although I rated him already he's proving he can do it when it counts), Griezzman, Cabaye (same as Cuadrado), Blind

Already loved Vidal + Sanchez

Valbuena is coming to the end of his contract with iom this season and is due to leave them could be got for around the 10mil mark would be a great signing for us and you would get 3 good years out of him

Yeah we need to put in a £7m bid for Valbuena. We can save £23m

Has to be James Rodriguez
knew he was good but never really watched him have been immensely impressed with him has theppotential to be better than ronaldo

20 Jun 2014 21:29:06
Personally I don't think Suarez will be with us still at the start of the season.
I also think it is not neccessarily a bad thing. Yes. He probably is the best player in the world at the moment. But if we can get the equivalent of £80+ million or a player with mobey. It gives us a great chance to build a team rather than build it on one player.
Yes, he will be missed. But if we could get Sanchez in and 3 more quality players in other positions with the money I think we will be in a better position. He is a fantastic player but it may be the right tine to move on. He has given us a fantastic season and we can not argue if he decides to leave now.
I think it makes sense for us to sell now as long as we getvthe right price

He's the best player in the world,,, let's sell him?

20 Jun 2014 21:49:24
Dbol

hahhahha lols. that's a nice one.

You are kidding DBol, selling our best player, no way. he will be LFC player for sure. next season.

Red Viking, think what spurs did with bale, we can't sell Suarez at any cost .buy a couple more top players .and we will be very close

20 Jun 2014 23:42:05
He was being sarcastic Blood Red, note the question mark at the end!

20 Jun 2014 19:47:36
I am not a religious person but I am praying and hoping the "Suarez to Barca" talk is BS I wouldn't want to sell him at any price.

Can anybody shed any light please?

It's BS .

20 Jun 2014 20:49:46
There is interest but no bid has been made and their certainly isn't a deal in place. If he goes I very much doubt it'll be for £52M as he is on current form the best player in the world. No question.

Maybe its 52 million plus Sanchez

I don't think he'll go myself, and I doubt it would be to barca if he did. messi hates anyone who might challenge his status in the team and Suarez would certainly do that, what gets to me is all this crap about an exit clause this surely only allows the club to talk to him they would still have to negotiate a price with LFC if Bale's worth 95 mil Louis got to be 100

{Ed002's Note - So even the players hate Suarez as well. Interesting.}

21 Jun 2014 13:40:30
Messi apparently hates anyone who he sees as a threat to his position of power at Barca.

20 Jun 2014 18:14:53
I have seen a decent amount of sore-losers but the arse-wholes calling for Suarez to be DEPORTED from the UK has to be at a whole new level.

20 Jun 2014 18:41:05
The Real AG

Where you from mate?

I agree, it's absolutely farcical and makes us England fans look stupid!

20 Jun 2014 19:30:09
AG those people are what are commonly referred to in polite society as gobshites. How dare a foreign player be better than a Englishman.

Does it really matter harry? AG has a very valid point.

A lot of people have been saying they've gone off Suarez (not LFC fans).

You can't blame Suarez because England are rubbish.,

20 Jun 2014 22:44:18
If he played for Manutd you'd be saying the same thing!

20 Jun 2014 22:54:08
lyndon

So you believe we would go nuts, If RVP scores against us?. No ways playing for your nation, wearing the shirt. That's a different prospects all-together.
I would never slate.

Nothing on the Ronaldo Rooney saga years ago when he got Rooney sent off!

21 Jun 2014 09:47:30
Lyndon,

No, I wouldn't be saying the same thing. Don't be so quick to judge the others.

Balotelli scored against us and I still think he's great and miss him in the PL. everyone just hates suarez for some reason

20 Jun 2014 18:02:33
These figures being quoted for Suarez if RM or Barca come in for him. Surely they cannot be true?

His value is double what is being reported across the web.

If this IS correct, whomever drew up this contract Luis signed should seriously consider his/her position as it would cost LFC an awful amount of money.

vrcomp
Y.N.W.A.

20 Jun 2014 18:35:32
Vcomp

That's BS mate. Don't even read those.

It would be a strange 1 to include that clause to the 2 most likely teams to bid for him 80 mill for any 1 else but 52 to the most likely bidders but as it was in the metro harrys probably right bs well i'm hoping harrys right be a dumb move if we have almost as dumb as costa choosing spain if brazil win the world cup costas choice bone head decision of last 10 years lol

20 Jun 2014 16:36:14
Tomorrow's poll, would Harry make a good editor?

Or

If Harry were an Editor, would that be Ed002's 2 week notice?

Seriously though, I think he should get his "Harry Scousser" name before he gets Ed Harry.

I want adam to set up a harry scousser appreciation page with all his soundbites

20 Jun 2014 22:43:04
He would come up with some stats.
h lols. I would be flying high. Only waro could break that stats.

20 Jun 2014 16:25:19
Please forgive me for sounding pessimistic however the inability of the Liverpool hierarchy of closing out transfer deals is rearing its head again!

This happened during previous transfer windows when both Tottenham and Chelsea nipped in before us when it appeared we were going to secure a player.

We are in a similar situation with at least 2 deals - Adam Lallana (appreciate the word is Southampton are now asking for more) and also Alberto Moreno (the same reason given - parent club now asking for more money)

We don't hear these sort of lingering transfer issues with other clubs?

Should something be done at the top exec level? Just had to air my view as I'm worried we'll be short changed with 2nd choice players for next season.

Cheers

{Ed002's Note - Neither Southampton nor Sevilla are asking for "more" money. Liverpool have not offered enough for Southampton to sell Lallana. Liverpool does not right now have the money to complete the Moreno deal in a manner acceptable to Sevilla. Liverpool has agreed to the transfer of two players already - How many are agreed by Manchester United, Arsenal, Manchester City, Spurs? You don't hear this from other clubs because they don't whine as much.}

20 Jun 2014 17:09:17
Ed002,

1. do you know whether we have agreed terms with Moreno though?

and

2. Are LFC trying to move on a few surplus to requirement players to get the the deal for Moreno done and dusted?

{Ed002's Note - (1) Liverpool will not have spoken to the player but agreement was reached with his representative. (2) That would not appear to be the case.}

Surely it is about cash flow and money available - i.e. if you have £4m to make as an upfront payment and 3 further payments in the 3 following years of £4m and the selling club want £12m then £4m next year then this is more difficult to complete.

Also if selling a player rarely are they going to give you the money all upfront (unless your taking a big loss or the player is in demand (something that the players we probably want to move on are going to get).

21 Jun 2014 06:01:03
Ed002, with regards to the Moreno situation, do you know if Liverpool are planning on selling a few players (e.g. Reina, Agger) and coming back to Sevilla with more cash up front? Thank you.

{Ed002's Note - It really doesn't work like that.}

21 Jun 2014 06:01:16
Thanks for that Ed002

20 Jun 2014 15:50:55
Hi eds. Are u guys enjoying the world cup? (As a spectacle, imagine it makes your workload insane) any predictions on finalists? I quite fancy holland to do well (unless robben gets injured)

20 Jun 2014 16:07:31
France looks like a sold team, I fancy them to have a great world cup

I reckon that Chile look good to go far - very athletic, attacking intent, perhaps question marks over there defence but I've really enjoyed watching them and hope they do well. Say either Argentina or Germany to win it though, just because they know how.

20 Jun 2014 15:41:59
Should Gerrard be played in the holding role again next season?

I have said this before but one main reason our defence struggled last season was due to the lack of protection from midfield. There was always too much space between the centre backs and midfield which meant that the centre backs were constantly left exposed and often punished. What we missed the most was a strong, tough tackling, pacey defensive midfielder.

Maybe Emre Can is what we missed last season. Personally, I haven't seen much of him so I cannot comment on his ability, but hopefully he will fit the bill.

The dilemma is, what do we do with Gerrard? He hasn't got the legs nor the qualities needed to be a defensive midfielder. He hasn't the legs to do box to box and he can no longer play as an attacking midfielder. He has always been an excellent passer of the ball and that is something I wouldn't want to lose from the team, but what changes need to be made to ensure Gerrard remains in the squad?

My suggestion would be to continue with the 4-4-2 diamond. Play Can CDM, with Gerrard and Henderson either side of the diamond. Sterling at the point of the diamond with SAS up front. We would need to upgrade both fullbacks to provide the width as they will be key to providing the pace especially at Gerrard's side.

That would be one way to accommodate Gerrard in the squad.

Any other suggestions or opinions?

Red Rum

20 Jun 2014 16:09:01
I think the reason Gerrard was drop into CDM position was his lack of pace. Playing in a diamond, You need to work very hard, and don't see Gerrard lasting 90 mts.
He should be rotated with Can

I don't think he can have a guaranteed first team by the end of next season
as you say he does not offer the required protection for a defensive midfielder
although if played as you say he should be then it will be like a alonsoesque role
although this formation might be too defensive for a home game
I would play him in the first half of the season until can finds his feet and then shift to a can Henderson partnership which for me is the future

I think, simply, that Gerrard shouldn'tbe first choice next season. He's had a glittering career, been nothing short of superb for us and deserves the respect of every LFC fan around the world. The truth is that he doesn't have the legs to get up and down the pitch anymore and doesn't really have the discipline to play the defensive part of the CDM role. I think he needs to be used far less next season but be given more chances to come of the bench and have an impact - with 20 minutes to go, in a tough away game, him coming onto the pitch could make the difference.

21 Jun 2014 00:13:43
Honestly think Gerrard really excelled in that role as the season went on - have him with Hendo and Coutinho or Sterling etc, players that have the legs and he does a great job, his range of passing is fantastic and that can make the difference esp on the counter - wouldn't write him off just yet

21 Jun 2014 09:49:09
Yes, but with Emre Can now in the team, he should be slowly integrated into the team.

From what I have seen I think you will find Can is more of a Gerrard MK1, not a direct replacement for Gerrard MK2.

A few Gerrard haters now writing his obituary, now Gerrard is to blame for Englands defensive deficiencies as a well as Liverpools hey! how has this guy ever played for club and country?

Fair play to a few posters who have
in the past criticised Gerrard but have so far resisted taking a dig at him for admittedly below par performance against Uruguay.

{Ed001's Note - personally I don't care if Gerrard (or any other player for that matter) is out of this world or the worst player in the world when playing for someone else. I only care how they get on when they are wearing the Liverbird on their chest. International competitions are a complete irrelevance to me. But to judge anyone by their performance under Woy, who has shown how inept he was when managing us to disaster after disaster, is insane! The guy spends the build up to the game firing up the opposition's best player, then puts shackles on a midfielder whose best attribute is the ability to charge up and down the pitch all day. Hardly fair to judge Gerrard on those kind of performances, especially when his big 'mistake' was just as much the fault of the defence, who made the criminal error of not tracking a runner. First rule of defending, always expect a mistake by your own players and position yourself accordingly.}

Me niether Ed01, my inability to care about England goes back to a kid waiting patiently and staying up late for wednesday nights to watch sportsnight only to be let down by another abject display, that was in the 70's and nothing has happened since to change my thoughts on England.
I must admit they played better than expected against Italy and I got a little (just a little) sucked into thinking hey you never know, but do you know what I should have known better.
I did say at the start of the tournament that the only way England would do anything was unleashing the young attacking talent (Sterling, Barkley, Shaw) and go out and have a go but with Hodgson in charge it was silly to think would happen.

20 Jun 2014 14:38:47
Ed01/02. I have a question.
Is Ed002, The best Everton fan here?

{Ed001's Note - Ed025 is the only Everton fan........here. By the way Harry, I know everyone keeps calling for you to be an editor, but would you actually want to do it? If so I will get you a widget set up for our other LFC site, the LFC Banter site, and we can see how you get on. Just reply here if you are interested and we will send you the details through the email address you signed up with. If not interested say so and we can knock all the calls for you to be editor on the head!}

20 Jun 2014 14:56:20
Ed01. Christ. I just can't believe it.
First Thanks to the Eds and all my fellow friends here. This has to be one of the best day in my life.
I am still pretty young to be an Ed and I don't think I would cut well to be one. I know from you how much it takes to be an Editor.
This site is very close to my heart. And I prefer to be Harry. There are indeed some real good soul here who would do really well to be one.
My fire. My stuppid post. My sarcasm. My arrogace. My jokes. Its all natural and I would be a boring Editor atleast now.

But Sure, In future I would defo ask u to bear me one full day.

From the bottom of my heart I thank you and all here for making me cry today (Smiles indeed).

I also think this is a great step to realize how difficult is to manage a group of Fans.

THANKS EDS AND LFC.

20 Jun 2014 15:01:03
Harry an editor?

I will be getting banned then.

{Ed001's Note - seems he doesn't want to be one, you are safe!}

20 Jun 2014 15:08:00
The Real AG

So I choosed not. heheh lols. You were right up in my list.
Would have made Ken my Assistant. hahahha.He is another awesome perosn.

20 Jun 2014 15:15:09
Phew!

It is an Editor's job Harry; there is no age limit. I suspect you may need to wait a few more years if you are thinking of having children.

20 Jun 2014 15:23:49
Actually I wanted to Ask If Ed0025 the Best Everton fan here?. I misspelled it as Ed002.

{Ed002's Note - I am not sure who Ed025 is planning on supporting next season. It was Everton last season but he seems to becoming a bit of an Arsenal fan.}

Harry ad an editor?look what the world is coming to.Ed001 what have you been taking?
P.S Harry a careful examination of your thoughts has shown me that you have been thinking a lot about ed001 mostly naughty one

Hai Ed_Harry,

Such a shame you turned the offer down, it would have been fun for all of us.

Just one question. What country are you from?

Red Rum

As John Henry would say, what are those guys smoking. Offering Harry an eds job. I agree it would be funny but I think that you other eds would be inundated with questions regarding Harry's posts.

20 Jun 2014 16:11:28
Red Rum

Norway

20 Jun 2014 16:36:45
Ed0025 Is the most passionate Eds here. A joy to read his replies. He loves Liverpool so much that, It would be wise even for the Eds not to encounter him.
That's for ED01 (All smiles)

20 Jun 2014 18:05:08
Harry, I know where you are from and it is not Norway. You LIVE in Norway.

{Ed001's Note - by the way, I was not offering Harry the chance to edit on here, but on our other LFC site, which doesn't currently have any editor input, or people posting on it!}

Harry,,,,, any chance of Fernando Torres re-joining Liverpool this summer? (Thanks in advance)

20 Jun 2014 18:39:17
The Real AG

That's Exactly what I said. I Live in Norway.
Do we know each other?. I have a strong feeling, It must be you.

Maybe someone can arrange a ride in a fire engine for you harry, As a thank you for all your work on this site.

20 Jun 2014 18:40:25
Dbol

No Torres home coming, You wanna Masch, Alonso, Kuyt to come back? (All smiles)

Woah! Assistant editor for the day? I'm not sure I'm ready for it Harry. What would an assistant editor's remit be?

I think if Home Fan and I were to get the gig it should be on April 1st.

;-)

20 Jun 2014 22:41:39
Ken

Can you Imagine, this site would all time record for most talk around. We would be the best Ed partnership in the league.
Suarez and Aguero, same team?

I think the eds would let us do it on the day the window shuts or the first match day defeat of the season. Lol.

Maybe the eds/site should nominate a different guest editor every match next season. That would be a good craic.

{Ed001's Note - we have another LFC site if you want to try?}

Can I try ed?

{Ed001's Note - if you really want to mate, it will be on our other LFC site which is dead at the mo. Though it might just need editor interaction to wake it up.}

21 Jun 2014 09:52:42
No Harry. That is not what you said. You replied "Norway" to Red-Rum's query 'Where are you from'.

I don't know you and you don't know me. However, I know where you are from.

Which site you talking about mate?could you provide a link?
I would certainly like to as a trial sometimes this week

{Ed001's Note - this one: http://www.liverpool-banter.co.uk/ - like I said, it is currently dead, but that was because no one was really interested in a site without editor interaction, so having an editor should change that. We were only keeping it as a test bed for new features for the other sites, which there should be a few more of coming over the next few months.}

If you guys are cool i'd certainly like to try
although is this other site down because if I go to your link it just shows"this site has been just registered" and shows other related websites

{Ed001's Note - it works fine for me, so it is not down. I would question whether you put in the link correctly or if you have some kind of issue with your browser, to be honest.}

Just go through mate
apologies as looks like I was making some mistake
so will you guys be willing to offer me the holy grail of Ed ship and if so the details please
p.s that site is a real ghost town

{Ed001's Note - it is at the mo, but hopefully having an editor, plus new features as they arrive there to be tested, will see it pick up a bit. Hopefully! If you are ok with it, I will get Ed033 to email you the details to the email address you have associated with this account. That is the easiest way.}

I would be certainly okay with it
would be looking forward to the mail

{Ed001's Note - ok mate, I will get Ed033 to deal with it as soon as he gets a chance.}

Good luck Reet.

Red Rum

Thank mate would be hoping you all visit the page

20 Jun 2014 13:18:14
Done Deal! Luis Suarez to Barcelona this summer for 52million his buyout clause is 68million to any club apart from real an barca who only have to pay 52million but barca fended off Real Madrid this will happen

20 Jun 2014 13:44:41
Seems though, But don't believe anything unless it happens. There has been nothing reported here by the Eds.

20 Jun 2014 13:45:20
Also a week ago it was reported that Perez have given the light to go for a 72 mill offer for him.?

20 Jun 2014 13:50:36
Dude that was funny. You really should start writing for the metro.

It's so laughable that Suarez has a good game against England and now Barcelona have agreed to sign him for a lower fee than everybody else and that he also has a buyout clause which nobody even knows exists or not.

Seriously guys give me a break Suarez will be playing for Liverpool next season.

Lol, Metro or the Beano ;-)

20 Jun 2014 15:03:24
Are you sure you are not Mr, Bean?

20 Jun 2014 12:07:21
Hi Ed, I am a Liverpool fan and don't get me wrong I would love for Suarez to still be at Liverpool this coming season. However, If Barcelona or Real Madrid do come in with a bid of around 80Mil and if I was BR I would sell him and use the money to expand and improve the team by going for Lazar Marković, Alexis Sanchez, Shaqiri, Max Meyer, Alberto Moreno, Lallana and Lovren. Liverpool is just not about 1 individual (Suarez). We have a excellent squad of youngsters but if BRs backroom staff are trying to penny pinch again with lack of funds i.e with the Moreno deal then sell Suarez if a huge fee comes in and pay what teams are asking for if reasonable. What do you think Ed:

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool cannot afford to do anything like that at all. Sorry.}

20 Jun 2014 13:10:04
look how well that worked out for spurs.

imo it needs to be a crazy amount for us to consider. he is in top3 players in the world with the work ethic & attitude to go with it. if we do sell we need to buy no more than 3 players with the cash. not 8/9 10mil players

20 Jun 2014 13:29:01
I'm not an Ed - but if it means anything, I think it's crazy to contemplate the idea of selling our only true world class player, whatever the price.
The lad is priceless to us.

Thats like 5 attacking players to replace one? One of shaqiri/Sanchez one of Meyer/lallana type players a left back and centre back will do! Maybe another forward/winger at a push. If he left we would probably go 4-3-3 with sturridge central and sterling plus another one side!

20 Jun 2014 13:46:13
But you could field only 1 every game. don't forget that.

MF - When Spurs sold Bale they brought in x mount of players and it has simply not worked out for them, we need 2 maybe 3 first team players to go one step further, if Suarez was sold for £80M than the targets we were to go for would be overlay inflated and we would pay over the odds to get them, Suarez will stay at Liverpool next season i'm sure of it.

20 Jun 2014 14:47:35
Big D

I kinda in a delamma mate, Selling him is a huge gamble, As there aren't any player who could make an impact as he does. But the money is another obsession.

One thing for sure, He is going to have a cracking world cup.

Harry I agree that there is no one out there right now that could replace Suarez and do what he has done for us that's why I would not sell him.

As I said in a earlier post Liverpool have already got the core/base of the team and with the hopeful arrivals of Moreno, Lovren & Lallana for the first team, along with Can, Lambert & possibly loan returns of Suso & Borini, I feel we should be able to maintain a title challenge again but this time go the extra step and win it.

20 Jun 2014 11:58:21
i wonder where are all the fans on here who want to sell suarez are today, last night we seen an half fit saurez knock england out of the world cup on his own, the man is the best player on the planet, and some on here are willing to let him go to get sanchez, well everyone has their own opinions, its a pity some times their opinions are very very wrong, we should keep saurez and build the team around him and add quality players to make our team much stroonger and better

None of us want suarez sold
it is just that a group of the fans (including me) realize that there is a good possibility that suarez might be sold and are prepared for something like this instead of abusing him if he does move

20 Jun 2014 13:12:19
being prepared for it and thinking we will be fine as long as we buy sanchez are 2 different things. I wouldn't begrudge him the move now as he gave us another great year which he owed to the club after we stood by him. I am also under no illusion that the loss of him would be massive

20 Jun 2014 13:12:28
Reet

You got that right from my mind.

Well you know Harry I have got this gift of reading minds

20 Jun 2014 13:47:12
Reet

I am not going to come infront of you. I am pretty emotional and there are tonz inside me which would shook the world. heheh

You need to be able to read minds to understand some of Harry's posts!

Red swampy
To make sense of Harrys brains and posts my mind has to work in overdrive mode
And then it requires 24 hours of rest to make it normal

20 Jun 2014 14:33:43
I take that as a compliment folks. Enistein and all the top notch had the same experience

20 Jun 2014 10:57:12
Morning Eds

I guess you must be getting sick of the lallana / lovren / moreno / suarez questions as they get done to death, and its pretty clear where the 'situations' are now

So, my question is this

'IF' Suraez was to leave.do you know what BR / The clubs targets would then be post the sale?.

Has interest / awareness been registered with players / clubs representitives / agents in the wake of any such sale?. putting aside the above mentioned

Thanks in advance.

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of what the club plan on doing, but it will certainly have been discussed.}

If Suarez leaves which I hope not then I would like Pogba and Sanchez to replace him.

20 Jun 2014 09:14:50
Love the way when Barca's interested in a player his valuation drops significantly.

20 Jun 2014 09:32:47
If there is one player who could take the spotlight from Messi, Its Suarez, No chance of them moving for Suarez.

Neymar?

20 Jun 2014 11:49:44
Neymar is in the shadow of Messi. He would never be a distraction to Messi.

Barcelona are in rebuild…. If they want suarez? They will get him…. Your statement is rediculous home team, they cannot allow both madrids to climb away from them, so if they can get suarez…. They will!

Walkers
"Can" being the operative word, they can't!