Liverpool Banter Archive August 20 2017

 

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20 Aug 2017 22:34:34
So I suppose the ยฃ113million pound question is, now the 'deadline' has gone does that mean Couts is definitely staying?

Believable3 Unbelievable3

20 Aug 2017 22:55:36
The deadline rumour comes from Balague, doesn't it? He's not the worst journo out there by any manner of means, but he's not exactly 100% reliable either and hasn't been for some time.

It comes down to how money they're willing to spend on him. If they're willing to spend more than they've already offered so far, they'll come back with another offer.


20 Aug 2017 23:06:10
It's actually more like a 130-140 Million pound question. So hold on and have some patience. If you catch my drift.


20 Aug 2017 23:30:27
No. It's all brinksmanship. I expect that there will be more offers before the window is out.


{Ed002's Note - Brinkmanship is moving to Newcastle. Move on.}

20 Aug 2017 23:49:48
if true I have to say Barca's transfer tactics are worse than ours. We rejected the offer within an hour that should give them some clue that giving us a deadline won't make any difference. If you're going to make threats do it from a position of strength otherwise you come across weak and desperate. I hope we stick to our guns it's not even about Coutinho anymore we just can't give in to these idiots.


21 Aug 2017 00:47:26
You are a hypocrite Ings.


21 Aug 2017 04:02:55
The brinkmanship has sailed.


21 Aug 2017 06:32:50
He's staying ๐Ÿค.


20 Aug 2017 21:58:14
I have so many conflicting views on this whole Coutinho saga!

At first I was all for the 'Will not Sell' stance as I thought stuff you Barca.

Then I thought maybe we should sell to cash in on Couts

Then I was no don't sell and Couts will accept the decision and have one more season no problem

Then I hear he's 'on strike' and I think get rid quick we don't want that problem but at same time I don't want to give Barcelona the satisfaction of getting him.

Then I think if he's going to stay a problem and not play for us again then we should just accept that and take the money

Then I feel like. no let him rot in reserves but then think that's no nice, he's done a lot for us let him have his dream move!

A lot of the problem is not knowing exactly what is true and what is not. I do try and keep up with the Eds comments on here but if you have half a day away from this site you miss so much and it's impossible to catch up on it all.

I suppose this is a much of nothing post, just felt like I am probably in the same boat as a lot of you and just can't wait for transfer window to close and then see what is what at the end of it.

Fingers crossed for Weds night as i feel it may have some relevance to the last week of the transfer windows.

And well done eds for putting up with us all ๐Ÿ˜†.

Believable9 Unbelievable2

20 Aug 2017 22:57:32
Will you be able to sleep tonight?


20 Aug 2017 23:13:02
Chill nutmonkey, have a beer or something ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿบ๐Ÿ‘.


20 Aug 2017 23:38:27
Pretty much exactly how Southampton fans are probably thinking about the vvd situation then.


21 Aug 2017 06:33:44
He's not on strike. Don't worry, he'll have a great season for LFC ๐Ÿ†.


20 Aug 2017 21:33:50
Hi eds, was wondering how many signings you expect Liverpool to make before the deadline. We need at least a couple in to lift the spirits!

Believable1 Unbelievable1

{Ed002's Note - It depends - a couple plus replacements for Coutinho, Mane - whoever leaves.}

20 Aug 2017 22:28:58
Ha ha. cue hysteria lol.


20 Aug 2017 22:31:39
Why have you included Mane'? Surely. he's not being sold, Ed002.


{Ed002's Note - An example of a player there is interest in. Like Pipco.}

20 Aug 2017 22:34:51
Cheeky ed.


20 Aug 2017 22:34:54
You included Mane in there Eds. You reckon he could leave? or is there potential suitors. I personally can't see him leaving.


{Ed002's Note - Inter are interested.}

20 Aug 2017 22:43:35
Mane! What.


20 Aug 2017 22:54:20
Hahahaha. Love it ed002.


20 Aug 2017 22:56:23
Wonder who else will bite.


20 Aug 2017 22:51:08
Haha you had to get a dig in about our other best player Mane ed002 to make all fans think wtf, I can gurantee you no chance in hell Mane will be sold even if Inter (nobodys) want him. You wonder why u are bombarded with questions.


20 Aug 2017 23:00:08
correct me if i'm wrong but ed2 has been saying this for weeks now!


20 Aug 2017 23:04:24
When players play consistently well, there will be interest from other clubs.
I hope I've made this easy enough for some to understand.


20 Aug 2017 23:13:52
Cmon ed002 no need for that, we've been through enough already ๐Ÿ˜‚.


20 Aug 2017 23:22:15
Love it Ed. Cast the rod out and await the bites.


20 Aug 2017 23:27:25
Manes not going anywhere.


20 Aug 2017 23:31:57
Stop it now this getting silly an jus about all I can take.


20 Aug 2017 23:14:01
Ed002, sometimes I think you enjoy winding up the loafs lol.


{Ed002's Note - Bread and butter to me.}

20 Aug 2017 23:31:58
Fortunately Inter wouldn't pay what we would demand. So the interest is not really concerning.


21 Aug 2017 00:02:22
Ffs lads don't bite regarding the Mane quote.


21 Aug 2017 00:12:06
Hahah no chance inter are buying mane.


21 Aug 2017 00:52:30
I agree. No chance Mane is leaving. This summer.


21 Aug 2017 08:20:29
Your like putty in ed 002's hands! Just shows the mentality of some fans. seriously gullible. He could have some serious fun if he wanted, just mention something like that and the FIFA computer brigade are in meltdown!


20 Aug 2017 21:33:00
Question for the Eds, Andone from Deportivo, apart from falling over like Shakespeare, looks amazingly quick and seems to be giving Real's defence nightmares already, do you think he would make a good CF for Liverpool? Him in the middle and Mane and Salah either side would be about the quickest attack in the league?! Just a thought as apparently some prem clubs are interested? Could be another ยฃ8m purchase who is worth ten times that in a few years like pipco, if he signed for the right team?

Believable0 Unbelievable1

{Ed002's Note - Try the European page or the Burnley page.}

20 Aug 2017 21:32:43
A question for the eds. Sorry if this is an obvious question, but does playing for the under 23's count towards a player and his work permit? I. e Grujic for example. Thanks for your hard work.

Believable1 Unbelievable0

{Ed002's Note - Grujic already has his work permit.}

20 Aug 2017 21:59:29
What the hell does this even mean?


20 Aug 2017 22:44:34
TDR. know foreigners need work permits to be employed in Britain, Football is a job not a hobby so work permits are still needed lol.


20 Aug 2017 22:44:46
Was hoping klopp would get some stick!


20 Aug 2017 22:52:41
Sorry, I thought that due to Grujic being injured last season there was concern about His work permit by not playing enough games. Maybe he was a bad example. Thanks anyway.


{Ed002's Note - The issue of his WP was something else - not injury.}

20 Aug 2017 21:32:41
Barca have signed Seri ยฃ40m? Can anyone confirm?

Believable0 Unbelievable1

20 Aug 2017 22:02:01
They paid his buyout clause.


{Ed002's Note - There is no "buyout" clause.}

20 Aug 2017 22:37:39
No worries Ed, was just some nonsense on the web. I'm marking it as BS!


20 Aug 2017 22:45:17
*Minimum fee Release* clause guys come on ๐Ÿ˜‚.


{Ed002's Note - New to me.}

20 Aug 2017 22:46:56
The 'buyout' clause is just the price the club president has agreed to sell him at.


{Ed002's Note - "Buyout".}

20 Aug 2017 20:52:38
So couts has refused to train and play.
Didn't think it would come to this. Can't see how he can play again for the team if we do keep him. Very hard on the team with all the unrest going on.

Believable4 Unbelievable5

20 Aug 2017 21:07:18
Same as Suarez.

Least cou isn't taking us to court. yet.

He will come back into the group, say his apologies, realise we own him and love him. It's a world cup year. Like Suarez did. And then lead us to glory :) .

Absolutely nothing to worry about.


20 Aug 2017 21:16:12
Since when has he done this?

Have you read this on Twitter?


20 Aug 2017 21:18:16
If that's the case I'm sure that is a breach of his contract meaning we don't have to pay him! Also I'm sure we could leave him to rot for five years in the reserves. He cost 8million so yes it is a lot of money but not in footballing terms. I know it won't happen but the football clubs need to show the power and the players told they signed a contract which is legal and binding.

Coutinho will want to play at the World Cup so I'm sure he would have to go cap in hand to Klopp if he doesn't get his move to Barca. Barcelona also need to give us ยฃ125 million to get him and we should demand it all up front like they did to PSG with Neymar.

Baz.


20 Aug 2017 21:26:32
Ed002's Note - Coutinho wants to leave and has not made himself available for selection nor has he trained.


20 Aug 2017 21:51:43
How can he take us to court? he's under contract.


20 Aug 2017 22:05:52
So, after everyone crying on here that we keep him - a player that wants to leave the club - everyone now miraculously wants him to leave because he is again forcing a move?

Shock horror that one.

This trend of players refusing to play or train will continue now, and the sooner clubs and fans get used too it the better, even though it is a she*phouse trick, but no club will ever have control of the culture unless it is changed from higher up.


20 Aug 2017 22:21:11
Yeah but he's a "model professional" to so many on here.


20 Aug 2017 22:40:02
He never put a clause in his contract and only signed it six months or so back so how can he have a leg too stand on, he should blame his agent, real shame all this happening but can't say I am surprised he doesn't give a crap about us, I just wish it was at start of window timing is horrible.


{Ed002's Note - What clause would this be?}

20 Aug 2017 23:02:44
To eds, a clause as in if Barcelona or madrid come in for him he can leave if he wanted it that bad.


{Ed002's Note - It really doesn't work like that.}

20 Aug 2017 20:50:46
Blimey, even I'm getting annoyed reading some of these posts tonight! No wonder the Eds get pissed off at times. Read the posts! It's the whole idea of a site like this!

Believable5 Unbelievable4

20 Aug 2017 19:55:40
Is it just me or is Gerrard being a pundit quite a big conflict of interest? He seems to be discussing more than he should considering he's an employee of the club.

Believable8 Unbelievable5

20 Aug 2017 21:21:16
Its one or the other really.

We discussed this before he came back to the club.

Stevie should knock the punditry work and learn his trade as a coach.

In all reality he has landed a post that probably more experienced and qualified people would give their right bollock to land.

5 years behind the scenes, learning how to get the best out of young players, then see what happens.


20 Aug 2017 21:38:01
To be fair, alongside King Kenny, Stevie G is god to LFC so I personally think he can do what he likes. He is a great Role model and what every Liverpool player should aspire to, so I say crack on mate, do what you like, say what you like and if we end up in a mess this season if couts does go and there is any truth that Klopp will follow, Stevie G for gaffer to bring back the Glory days!


20 Aug 2017 21:46:47
Yes it's just you mate.


20 Aug 2017 23:11:28
Stevie G is no role model. He was a fantastic player but it was all about him, and still is it seems. He should just keep his gob shut and concentrate on being a coach.


21 Aug 2017 00:21:02
The less said, The less to mend.


20 Aug 2017 19:50:57
Hello Ed02, you seems to be in good mood today. May I post mate. I did no wrong mate. And if my post has pissed of you, I apologize mate.

Nice Sunday evening ahead.

Believable3 Unbelievable3

{Ed002's Note - Sure, this post seems harmless enough.}

20 Aug 2017 21:50:55
Your best post ever.


20 Aug 2017 19:47:16
Ed2 I remember you saying that Liverpool had meetings with delegates from Barcelona about Coutinho. Ballague and numerous other people are saying that we have always refused to meet them for negotiations as we are not selling. I trust you more than the media so thought I'd ask if you still think these meetings happened or not? Not that it matters I suppose I'm just curious if the club ever really had any intention of selling.

Believable0 Unbelievable1

{Ed002's Note - Yes, there was a meeting in London.}

20 Aug 2017 20:15:30
Cheers Ed. Do you know if it was specifically about Coutinho?


{Ed002's Note - Yes it was about Coutinho.}

20 Aug 2017 19:16:01
Ed002. I'm sure it was said that seri was a replacement for emre Can not couts?!

Believable0 Unbelievable1

{Ed002's Note - There you go then.}

20 Aug 2017 22:12:49
Ed002, I saw nothing happened when 3 people asked the same question, one after the other. What happens if the same person asks for a third time? (This site has made my Sunday today, I tell you. I've been laughing from the moment I woke up) .


20 Aug 2017 19:40:15
Oh well 7 pm been gone transfer window shut thank Christ for PC.

Believable3 Unbelievable7

20 Aug 2017 21:27:27
Transfer window shut? You're being a tad premature lad.
The 7pm deadline was regarding Barcelona's bid for Coutinho.
the transfer window is open until the end of the month.


20 Aug 2017 19:39:22
Any truth in the rumours that Kent is off to RB Leipzig on loan for the season?

Believable2 Unbelievable1

{Ed002's Note - I really don't know.}

20 Aug 2017 20:33:48
No probs, thanks for the reply.


20 Aug 2017 21:08:39
I heard Hannover 96 were interested?


20 Aug 2017 19:39:10
If we do sign vvd would he be seen as captain material seeing as he's a leader and due to Henderson missing plenty of games.

Believable7 Unbelievable0

20 Aug 2017 20:07:10
VVD is a captain, but he is not a leader. Fonte was the leader at Saints. VVD is quiet and plays his own game. He cannot marshal a backline from a centre attacking midfield position which is where you can usually find him either on a suicidal run, or a light jog back into position. Of course, we didn't get to see a lot of VVD as the leader of the defence because he did his ankle straight after Fonte left. So maybe he could be different next to less authoritive partner.

The longer it goes without us signing VVS though, the more hopeful i am we will sign a proven leader.


20 Aug 2017 21:13:46
It's irrelevant any way. VVD was apparently at Wembley watching his new employers turn Spurs over. We'll over pay on some woeful substandard panic buy player like Gibson.


20 Aug 2017 22:51:56
If thatโ€™s the case Mr D, ed1 nows your time to start loving all rubbish CB's so we donโ€™t go for them ๐Ÿ˜‚.


20 Aug 2017 19:38:25
Highly doubtful this coutinho 7pm deadline thing is real i don't believe it's over, also do the eds know anything about Barcelona buying Seri? Thanks for your time.

Believable1 Unbelievable0

{Ed002's Note - Barcelona see Seri has an option to Pipco and have enquired after his availability.}

20 Aug 2017 19:52:18
Thanks ed002 i appreciate the reply, you guys are a godsend.


20 Aug 2017 20:15:33
If Coutinho has been on strike and not training (as Ed002 has confirmed) then yes, this is far from over. It'll be interesting to see who blinks first. The club or Coutinho. On one side you have the club's documented history with rebellious behavior (Suarez and Sakho) and on the other side you have a player who simply does not want to play for the club anymore. This is going to be a summer to remember (and mostly for the wrong reasons), that's for sure.


20 Aug 2017 19:16:01
Ed002. I'm sure it was said that seri was a replacement for emre Can not couts?!

Believable0 Unbelievable0

20 Aug 2017 19:26:32
Oh, I'm surprised. If we were looking at Seri as a replacement for anybody, Ed002 would have said it by now. ๐Ÿ˜†.


20 Aug 2017 19:43:31
Ra I was just about to point you to the first post on the rumours side, I even copy an pasted ed2s reply then my brain cell kicked in and I realized you are messing about ๐Ÿ˜‚ good job the lil fella woke up before I pressed send ๐Ÿ˜… *face palm*.


20 Aug 2017 22:08:10
Red_Phil - If you can't beat them, then join them.


20 Aug 2017 22:54:22
๐Ÿ˜‚ iโ€™ll just sit on the sidelines, too tired and slow to join em haha.


20 Aug 2017 18:41:03
Hi eds,

Why don't we shown interest in Mahrez? He can play on the right side of the midfield 3 and can replace Coutinho to some level.

We could have Hendo/ Can in the deep role, Mahrez/ Lallana in the creator role and Keita/ Wijnaldum in the box to box role.

Believable2 Unbelievable3

{Ed002's Note - I cannot say why Klopp has not shown interest in Mahrez or Korbinian Vollmann.}

20 Aug 2017 19:17:53
I had to Google Vollmann because iโ€™ve never heard of him and got results of a novelist/ journalist xD but then found the player and iโ€™ve still never heard of him ๐Ÿ˜‚.


20 Aug 2017 19:16:33
Eds what's your opinion on Mahrez If you don't mind me asking?


{Ed002's Note - It is hard to see what he could add to Liverpool aside from depth.}

20 Aug 2017 18:37:41
Hi Eds, great site, thank you for all the interesting insight and info. With reference to the 'hope we meet Barcelona and. Blah blah blah' and, indeed, a lot of bloody nonsense posted; perhaps a juvenile banter section is required? As a football fan, I enjoy, perhaps acknowledge would be a better term, good football. If that's United, Barcelona or whoever, so be it. Even if it's painful. I just hope my team are the best on the day.

Believable1 Unbelievable0

{Ed002's Note - We used to have The Sandbox - perhaps we should bring it back.}

20 Aug 2017 19:00:27
I propose a "Kiddie's Corner". :-)


20 Aug 2017 19:19:30
I think that would be my favorite section just for seeing some of the eds replies.


20 Aug 2017 19:42:21
Ra1969 i agree. or maybe an over 18/ 21. Like the pub. oh wait i here just as much sh*t at the local boozer. Maybe everyone has to use a photo when they post so we can name and shame them. oh wait they got that at the local boozer aswell. Leta just admit we are h***d!


20 Aug 2017 18:34:52
Any truth that Lallana is out out till Christmas?

Believable0 Unbelievable0

{Ed002's Note - Typically the club give injury updates on Monday or Tursday.}

20 Aug 2017 18:12:35
Evening ed2, I apologise if I'm being dull but is Seri being considered as well as NK or would it be either or? (Also, sorry for bringing up NK again) .

Thanks in advance.Diego Laxalt

Believable2 Unbelievable0

{Ed002's Note - I see him as an alternate to Keita although I suspect that if Coutinho goes the club could look to adding Keita or Seri plus potentially go back to Klopp's first pick of Julian Brandt. I am also not so sure that Max meyer will come in to the picture as a more like-for-like replacement. Macca seems confident that Keita is still very much on the cards - and althought I am not aware of any further approaches for him by Liverpool, I have no reason to doubt him. Keita is of course still playing for RBL. Jean Micheal Seri is aware that he is attracting the attention of several leading clubs including Arsenal and Barcelona (who see him as an option to Coutinho) - and that the PSG interest has been overtaken by events. Whether or not we can now discount the other options such as Diego Laxalt we can only wait and see. If Liverpool hold firm on their position it becomes academic.}

20 Aug 2017 18:32:23
Thanks for the detailed reply Ed.


{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}

20 Aug 2017 18:43:12
I'd take brandt.


20 Aug 2017 19:11:40
Seri and keita all day.

They would take over from hendo and win and then we would only need a striker or would we number 1?


20 Aug 2017 19:21:47
I think if we're talking like for like replacement for Pipco, we should look at Insigne.


20 Aug 2017 19:27:52
Ed not sure if im confusing matters and making it to complexed but could Keita arrive if Couts stays or more likely if Couts leaves?


{Ed002's Note - Unrelated. One, both or none are posible solutions.}

20 Aug 2017 18:00:17
Lets get away from the negative transfer talk for a moment.
Here is something I would LOVE to happen this season.
Coutinho is probably staying now unless Barcelona actually come back with an acceptable bid which doesn't seem likely but who knows with how quick things change in football.

So then;
1) I hope we stay in the Champions League long enough to be drawn against Barcelona (or even in group stages but will be better in knockout stages)

2) I hope we leave Coutinho out of the starting 11 andhave him as a 90th minute time waste sub.

I hope we beat them and show him and them whoโ€™s boss.
If we are winning and bring Coutinho on in the 90th minute, it will add insult to injury for them xD

Or alternatively;
They do sign Coutinho.

And we beat them anyway whoever Couts replacement shall be does an Evra-Suarez and celebrates in front of Couts xD.

Believable2 Unbelievable11

{Ed002's Note - One of the fundamental flaws of many Liverpool fans is being consumed with spite and hatred. The supporters had a great reputation in the past but that has been flushed down the toilet by the the modern day vein-popping, eye-bulging, tattooed, knuckle-dragging, bonehead fans whose ugly slobbering faces are pressed against the windows of the opposition coaches spewing their bile. A great pity really.}

20 Aug 2017 18:18:04
Poor coutinho shouldn't of signed that big juicy contract should he ed. Poor poor guy. Suffering st the hands of Liverpool.

Your ours. Rather have him the reserves for the remainder of his deal than play for Barcelona and yes I am that bitter haha.


20 Aug 2017 18:20:02
This is all football supporters in general.

It's not at all unique to Liverpool fans.


20 Aug 2017 18:19:44
That was a bit of banter but as usually your replies are always top Ed2 love it ๐Ÿ˜‚ such a great description too haha
I have a couple of half finished tattoos (a pokemon sleeve and chest piece) but besides that I am none of the above ๐Ÿ˜œ
I never hold a grudge either I tend to just laugh and make a joke out of everything, heck when Suarez went about his move, I started watching Barcelona for a bit to see how well he did and iโ€™ll probably do the same with Couts if he goes.
As disrespectful as some players can be towards the club if they put in a hard graft over the years for us I will still support them ๐Ÿ˜„.


{Ed002's Note - Good for you Phil - players soon become aware if the fans stop giving them support.}

20 Aug 2017 18:19:48
Wow Ed02 I thought I was reading a description of myself then ๐Ÿ˜‚

On another note. what is this 7pm deadline about tonight from Barcelona on Couts and are you aware if this is indeed true?

Cheers

Jon.


{Ed002's Note - To be honest I really don't know and I would not worry about it too much. As I said, I would not be surprised by another offer coming in.}

20 Aug 2017 18:21:04
Ed002, while we're on that topic, I'd like to.


{Ed002's Note - Sure.}

20 Aug 2017 18:23:23
Looks like my previous reply went incomplete. What I was saying Ed was, what is your opinion of media's involvement in this? I feel that and social media has turned the game more plastic.

I'm not taking away anything from your comments or not running away from what you have mentioned. I agree to that, to a large extent as well.


{Ed002's Note - Absolutely, social media has changed the paradigm of the typical sports media immeasurably. News is now instant, misleading, correct, etc.. People take to Twitter and believe everything they read whiclst fat kids from Bolton are more than happy to put more swill in the trough for them. In terms of the general media (newspapers) then they will pull thoughts of blogs and social media and then develop them to the point that they become plausible. Some clubs (Barcelona, Real Madrid, Manchester United and Liverpool come to mind) have their sweetened tame media that they share a little bit more than usual with. But out there remains quite a lot of more astute journalists who will speak with clubs they have a relationship with, peak to agents who don't look to exploit the media and often speak with players at training grounds. Clubs will welcome journalists they have a good reputation with and who they know will not be looking to twist anything. There are also a large number of intermediaries who fall in to a gray area where they are truly looking to exploit players one way or another for their own gain. You can look up things like the al Bangura tale which is all tied in to a guy who has published a book on the exploitation of youngster in football. There has been quite a big deal going on in Belgium about it for a couple or three of years. Investigations are on-going in Spain which has the Cotonou Agreement where African and Caribbean players are not counted against non-EU quotas so t Others here is a periodic influx of Africans, often young and from poor families. I suspect a bigger deal than is necessary will be made of the whole matter. So these agents will use the media, social media and any contacts they can to gain leverage and exploit in all sorts of ways. The easiest is the social media stream which feeds the gullible.}

20 Aug 2017 18:27:22
come on ed02 ๐Ÿ˜‚ We're not that bad!
Nothing like the racist rent boys of your beloved chelski.


{Ed002's Note - Really? beloved? You are a prime example of bonehead rubbish - you want to make it about Chelsea?}

20 Aug 2017 19:25:53
As usual ed2 another very informative detailed reply about the media. Always appreciate posts like that. Since finding this site several years ago I learnt to ignore the media and wait for you guys or Macca to confirm something. Saves being disappointed by something that the media has completely made up due to there being nothing else to write about the club.


{Ed002's Note - Thanks Phil.}

20 Aug 2017 19:44:45
I agree with EVERYTHING Ed002 has to say throughout this thread. Good solid to the point stuff. Keep it up.


20 Aug 2017 20:04:59
Thanks for the reply Ed.

Social media has gone toxic with constant abuses, whinings, journalists have become lazy with senseless and repeated questions, pundits are discussing utter crap about the gameplay and formations. Papers recycling same rubbish. The few knowledgeable lot have either got their tongues cut out or have gone back into their shells.

Apart from the 90 minutes, everything else is just trash. Embarrassingly, I've got to hold my hand up and admit to have contributed to it as well.


20 Aug 2017 20:17:01
Read the newspapers you're misinformed don't read the newspapers you're uninformed.

You won't here a truer saying than that.


20 Aug 2017 23:03:31
Chrisp, iโ€™d rather be uninformed than misinformed.

Example, iโ€™d rather not know if a woman I liked, likes me back. Instead of being told she actually loves me but then finding out it is far from the truth๐Ÿ˜‰.


{Ed002's Note - She doesn'tlike the hair on the soles of your feet.}

20 Aug 2017 17:37:49
Hi Eds, Moussa Dembele of Spurs is in my eyes in the top three midfielders in the country. Extremely underrated.
Have we ever shown any interest in him? I am shocked that he never gets linked to top top clubs.

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{Ed001's Note - no mate, another player I love we have never gone for. It seems if I like them we don't get them.}

20 Aug 2017 17:44:54
Was thars klopp for ya mate he reminds me of Benitez a bit smoke screen some times but I wish sometimes he would be back done really good.


20 Aug 2017 17:50:14
Moussa Dembele is great on the ball but also has a great work rate and doesn't mind putting his boot in, physically he's very rarely out done as well. Great player.


20 Aug 2017 17:53:57
What?


20 Aug 2017 17:46:52
Ed1 you need to start hiding your admiration of good players and start loving all the rubbish so we stay away ๐Ÿ˜‚
Or as itโ€™s been said before, go kick Klopp out of his seat and take over ๐Ÿ˜„.


{Ed001's Note - I like your second idea personally..... Or they could just let me run the transfer committee.....}

20 Aug 2017 18:03:08
On a related note, how poor is Wanyama? Has to be one of the top 3 most overrated midfielders in the Prem.


20 Aug 2017 18:07:18
You would do a much better job than the current lot to be fair. Shall we start a petition to get you in? ๐Ÿ˜….


{Ed001's Note - not sure that will have any effect. Be funny if it was one of those e-petitions and it got enough signatures to force them to have to debate it in Parliament though!}

20 Aug 2017 18:30:48
Now that would be hilarious but totally worth it ๐Ÿ˜‚.


20 Aug 2017 22:11:27
I'm pretty sure Dembele was of interest when he left Fulham?


20 Aug 2017 17:07:47
Hearing the young lad sessegnon signing for Spuds next week.

Any of the Eds heard anything?

Cheers.

Believable1 Unbelievable1

{Ed002's Note - They have had an offer rejected so it would need to be more.}

20 Aug 2017 17:24:15
Ed2 iโ€™m surprised you never replied with "this is the Liverpool page" ๐Ÿ˜‚.


{Ed002's Note - To be fair Phil he was Klopp's first choice.}

20 Aug 2017 17:40:58
I think he'd still want to remain at Fulham because of playing time. Plus Fulham look at the market and know they could ask for more. As it is, Robertson had a really good debut and showed he's got a lot to his game.


20 Aug 2017 17:41:29
Fair enough yeah. He never wanted a move to us did he? wasnโ€™t even anything to do with our bad relationship with Fulham ๐Ÿ˜“.


20 Aug 2017 17:38:57
I bet you're a pro in tap dancing Ed002. Very nimble feet and even faster thinking. ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ‘.


20 Aug 2017 17:52:31
I don't think it was us specifically, but he's a young lad, probably wants to still have the support of his family and he's well looked after at Fulham. Everyone who works with his comments on how level headed he is, which is impressive given what a huge talent he is. But I also think that reminds me of TAA. Another brilliant but grounded young lad.


20 Aug 2017 19:35:08
Thanks for reply. Much appreciated.


20 Aug 2017 17:03:39
Barcelona - 2 hours to stump up the cash.

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20 Aug 2017 17:41:47
Love it NickyD cheeky b------s.


20 Aug 2017 16:54:37
Apparently coutinho has gone on strike now. Any confirmation eds? So disrespectful if true.

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{Ed002's Note - Coutinho wants to leave and has not made himself available for selection nor has he trained. Large numbers don't seem to recpgnise this and simply want to whine about the contract.}

20 Aug 2017 17:19:21
Guess it's similar to another situation at Southampton. so no room for complaint really.

My only concern is that we don't let him join Barcelona on the cheap, as the offers so far have definitely been on the cheap (in context of a crazy market) and the probability that we won't bring in a suitable replacement, which I've no confidence that we will bring someone in, given previous form and the names being bandied about (Lanzini, Oxlade, Mahrez and Laxalt simply aren't good enough IMHO) .


20 Aug 2017 17:23:33
The whole Coutinho thing remind me of the Torres saga few years back, the club was in denial that the player wanted to leave for a whole month, and ended up selling him in the last 48 hours of the window then waste most of the money on panic buy. Yes get top dollar for him but give yourself enough time to find a replacement and we do need a replacement, we have very thin squad. And "no" our youth are not ready to take on the responsibility of champions league, its not fair on them and will knock their confident right down if they been thrown into a struggling side.


20 Aug 2017 17:25:20
So his "back injury" was just bs then? We all knew it ๐Ÿ˜‚.


20 Aug 2017 17:34:40
How can he get away with not training? Shouldn't he be fined wages? Or is this whole "my back hurts" excuse sufficient to keep being paid? May try that one on my employer, and see how far it gets me.

This whole thing stinks of the Suarez saga. And if I learned anything from that, its get rid of the disrespectful player; not fit to wear the shirt.

That being said, Barcelona need to meet a fair price or he can stay in the reserves.


20 Aug 2017 17:38:04
"Want to whine about the contract? ". simple fact is he HAS a contract, a multi million pound a year contract. it doesn't matter how long he's wanted to leave or if he's unhappy at the moment, he's contracted to the club. is paid by the club. So should get his arse out on the pitch. End of!


20 Aug 2017 17:40:11
Couts wants to go. We will sell. So I can't understand why Barcelona won't pay up?


20 Aug 2017 17:43:23
And he's paid ยฃ200,000 a week. He should not have signed the contract for 5 years and took the extra cash if he thought Barcelona would come calling. Im losing patience for these players who earn in a day what most earn in a year!


20 Aug 2017 17:53:59
If this is true, then it's massively disappointing. Expected far far more from him.


20 Aug 2017 17:58:06
Acered- for precisely that reason. The player wants to join them so they, and the player, can use other means to come to a lower deal.


20 Aug 2017 18:09:50
RTFP statto, heck the 4th thread on the first page on the rumours side near the end a ED1 says Coutinho didnโ€™t expect Barcelona to come calling for him so soon or if at all. canโ€™t fault him for signing a new contract not expecting his dream team to come calling for his services.


20 Aug 2017 18:18:55
He signed it, he can deal with it.


20 Aug 2017 18:22:51
Red_Phil why do you think Coutinho signed a new contract? More money. He didn't think Barcelona would come in for him? Clearly he was wrong, he now has to live with that decision. Lots of us have dreams that don't come true, most of us just move on and get on with things, he is a paid employee with a job to do, there is no defending his actions here.


20 Aug 2017 18:54:51
End of the day he's playing for a club where he adored. The main man. Getting paid on par with all the other world's best number 10s. Plays at anfield every other week. Plays for klopp. Graces the same pitch as some of the greats like the king. Get over yourself. Enjoy what you have and what you chose, yourself. No-one held a gun to your head.


20 Aug 2017 19:36:41
Smeg head (great name btw) of course more money, he probably deserved it too being one of our best players.
Again he didnโ€™t expect his dream to come true so he knuckled down, extended his contract and kept wowing the fans who adore him and even those who donโ€™t.

Also footballing contracts are a lot different to your every day jobs. Did you sign a 5 year deal? No you signed what could be a lifetime deal and you donโ€™t have a say in your yearly pay rises but you can leave at any time, Plus the money canโ€™t even be compared.

People should stop bringing up "he signed a new contract" now because in his head his dream wouldn't come true (who expects dreams to come true? ) but he would rather stay with us than go to any other team.
Unfortunately it was just bad timing and his dream suddenly became something that could happen but it was now or never. Lot of pressure on the lad, take up his dream move now or live regretting it if they donโ€™t come back for him next year or ever?


20 Aug 2017 19:47:39
Agger do understand what you're saying but let's say somebody wants to buy your house and say 150 thousand they then come back and say I'll give you 100 grand I guessing you would say no I've told you the price it's then up to them to give you the asking price if not look for another house.


21 Aug 2017 00:37:38
Don't understand all the down votes?

Also, I have nothing to do with VVD, so yeah I do have a reason to complain. VVd never went on strike, it was Southampton who barred him from training.


21 Aug 2017 06:25:33
If the transfer window passes and Coutinho hasn't got his dream move, and is still intent on refusing to train or play, then what sort actions are the club allowed to take? Do they still need to pay him despite his refusal to honour his contract? Could Coutinho go on strike indefinitely? This is all hypothetical as, in my eyes, the situation is so toxic that the lad just needs to be sold - this sort of unrest will only harm the team in the long run - but I was curious as to what legal avenues (if any) the club has when a player is seemingly breaching contract.


{Ed002's Note - I am sure that it won't come to that Seano but the could potentially take legal action against him in respect of his contract.}

20 Aug 2017 16:33:00
After being asked if a certain amount had been offered for Coutinho, Klopp is supposed to have said " "They didn't offer that, we said no, yet they offered, I think tomorrow they will offer a McDonald's Happy Meal and we get the toy as well!? "

I don't get this at all. Where is this bravado and unjustified arrogance coming from? Can we have some titles and cups on display before we go around belittling and demeaning other teams? 80 Million, whether fair or not, is still a lot of money, and Barcelona is certainly a team to be respected regardless of what is happening today and their present circumstances. What's wrong with a simple "thanks, but no thanks"?

I really like the guy. I think he can deliver for LFC, and nothing irritates me more than Ed002 calling him a clown, sometimes. But, someone needs to screw in his head tight and tell him to be careful because "what goes around, comes around".

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20 Aug 2017 16:47:25
If u are Barcelona fan go to camp nou.
This is anfield and lfc must not sell their best player.


20 Aug 2017 16:50:55
Stop talking like a neanderthal. You're lucky you have a forum to voice your gibberish.


20 Aug 2017 16:57:16
You talk of showing Barcelona respect, where is the respect from them, the offer is an absolute pi$$ take and they are once again trying to play us as fools. Respect is earned and so far they have shown us none!


20 Aug 2017 16:57:40
He does say a lot of silly things, but I think the amount of press managers and players get we are going to hear things that they later regret.

Imagine if you had someone listening to your every word and then sending it out to millions of people world wide.


20 Aug 2017 17:12:38
Le5d just get this right. Are you one of the fans who talk about Liverpool lowballing other teams and taking the piss

The mighty Barcelona just got 200 mil and want a player that we have absolutely no need to sell. The only reason we need to spend any extra this window would be to replace him. If he stays we can afford vvd without him going. They dropped the ball by letting the iniesta and neymar situation surprise them in the same window, even balague has said they dropped the ball.

They want that player this year so desperately with 2 weeks left then they pay the big bucks.

Let's just go with your scenario. Who do we replace him with, when we now have two weeks to go.

The only way it won't feel as bad is if we take them for a ton of cash.

Who do you support.


20 Aug 2017 17:15:08
Jordz - People like Alex Ferguson and Jose Mourinho (both of whom I dislike with extreme passion) talked with bravado, arrogance and an absurdly high sense of self-importance. But people listened because they could back up their words with the titles and trophies they had sitting behind them. Once again, Jurgen Klopp, for me, has the ability to bring us back to our "perch". But can we do it with class, dignity and respecting others in the same business? That's my point. You don't have to like or bow down to others (we have a rich enough history, pedigree and legacy), but let's not wander into the territory of all those loudmouths who mouth off whatever comes to mind just because we have a hundred microphones stuck in front of our faces.


20 Aug 2017 17:32:41
Capo - I'm assuming your reply is to my OP.
I'm one of those fans that does not want Coutinho sold at any price.
I'm one of those fans that'll be happy to see him finish off his contract at Anfield.
I'm one those fans that couldn't give a damn about what Barcelona has gotten or is giving in terms of money, this past summer.
I'm of those fans who's primarily concerned with getting players like Keita and VVD in (at fair market prices) before deadline day.
And I'm of those fans that prefers our manager to be respected (as much as the entire club) and to talk in a manner to be taken seriously. So that he can avoid having to say "Oh, we were in trouble were we? I didn't know anything about that at all" in subsequent pressers, as he has done already.
Now read my OP, and then read your reply. I was talking oranges, you replied with bananas and questioned my club allegiance. But I trust all is clarified. If not, reading a third or fourth time is still okay.


20 Aug 2017 18:03:57
I agree would be nice to do it with some class. Seems like it's missing out of todays game. Klopp's reputation has been this for a while even pre liverpool. It's not going to change mate.

Sadly the club is never going to be respected for a while due to things klopp has done with the tapping up and due to the way the we have handled transfers for years. Change and then time seems like the only thing that will fix that rep. Few titles would help too I guess :D.


20 Aug 2017 18:27:41
Why. Like all this bollocks recently about letting players leave sith grace. What a load of tosh. If there knackered and oaps then yes fine. Not in there prime though. Never heard anything so absurd.

If tomorrow firmino really wanted to join United, should we just have the good grace to honour his wish.

It doesn't matter where Barcelona play. That's surely the level we want to get to. Why would we give them a player that makes them stronger and us weaker, if we have any sort of aspiration to achieve anything.

If we take anything out of the whole Suarez situation it's DON'T SELL YOUR BEST PLAYERS.


20 Aug 2017 18:39:36
I dread to think what would have happened if the internet had been around in the days of Shankly, Busby and Clough! The internet would have exploded with all of the sensitive souls like you complaining about every little thing!


20 Aug 2017 16:03:46
So Barcelona.

You've got until Sunday 7pm to stump up the cash.

How about that?

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20 Aug 2017 16:14:33
I think you'll find it's the other way around. They're the ones who have given a 7pm deadline to accept their latest offer, or they will move on.


20 Aug 2017 16:23:13
I'm a bit confused. So Barcelona have said Dear Liverpool Football Club, we know you Have rejected our offer but if you don't unreject our offer by tonight then our offer isn't an offer anymore and we are going to spit out our dummy and not buy the player you said wasn't available to buy all along. wow.


20 Aug 2017 16:34:35
Eric, I think you'll find my comment is a dig at Barcelona and their latest comments ๐Ÿ™„๐Ÿ™„๐Ÿ™„.


20 Aug 2017 16:54:59
It's just to try and unsettle the player and shouldn't be allowed but because it's non-domestic it can't be investigated by the FA.


20 Aug 2017 17:03:49
Is it Spanish time or English time. because I can't wait to see if this it's true.
There's 58minutes left from where I live.
This TW has become some what entertaining.
Maybe I'm covering the fact it's been shit. ๐Ÿ˜‚
(Well not to fans expectations)


20 Aug 2017 17:28:34
I read it as.

Dear Liverpool Football Club,

You know that player you don't want to sell to us for that outrageously unrealistic offer that you outright rejected, well, we give you until 7pm Sunday to reconsider our outrageously unrealistic offer for the player, or else we will withdraw our offer for the player that you don't want to sell.

Kind regards

All at FC Barcelona.

If he wants to go on strike, fine. He can join Sakho training with the youth team and miss out on the World Cup. If of course Barcelona return with a more realistic offer, then he can go. Players are nothing more than transient employees.


20 Aug 2017 15:16:13
Afternoon eds and reds, a needed three points yesterday and some good performances from our newbies.

Just wanted to get the eds and others opinions away from the transfer madness. With more and more players coming from overseas do you believe it has taken the passion out of derby days somewhat? I know obviously it still means the world to the fans but going back in the day, even though the players weren't necessarily home grown, players tended to stay longer at clubs so the derbies still meant so much to the players, I just wanted to know your opinion with a lot more movement nowadays, does it still mean as much to the players?

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{Ed002's Note - I suspect much of the passion has long gone for the players but not so much the fans.}

20 Aug 2017 17:30:47
The last to show passion for us in derby games was Gerrard and flano. No other players see them the way us fans do : (.


20 Aug 2017 14:34:43
All these people saying 'obvious no business will be done now, its too close to the end of the window' are very forgetful of just how much business gets gone on Deadline day, never mind the week before.

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20 Aug 2017 14:43:56
In the past has lfc done much business on deadline day.


20 Aug 2017 15:10:04
Andy Carroll!


20 Aug 2017 15:13:46
You can't just say 'Liverpool don't usually do business on deadline, that means they won't now'.
In the past Liverpool have had their targets in and not had to do business so close to the end, we don't have that luxury this year.


20 Aug 2017 15:18:31
At least one or two will come in. Relax.


20 Aug 2017 16:46:02
The thing that worries me is klopp doesn't seem the type too be a big fan off bringin players in late as he likes too work with players who know his way of playin an his methods I hope I am wrong.


20 Aug 2017 17:30:00
I can't see us doing any more business. Primary targets aren't available and no players of any quality will be available at this stage without their clubs charging ridiculous fees.


20 Aug 2017 14:18:44
Was watching King Kenny talking about nearly signing Roy Keane back in the 90's last night.
He mentioned how he spoke with Keane and all was agreed but Kenny rang Nottingham Forrest's manager Frank Clarke to update him and was told by Clarke in no uncertain terms that no fee was in fact agreed, I had to laugh at Kenny. He's a legend, it wasn't his fault, he was told fees were agreed and so Kenny apologised to Clarke on the phone there and then, but to be fair to Forrest and Clarke they didn't report the issue, they just sold him to the rivals instead lol. Sounds slightly similar to something I heard recently ๐Ÿ˜†.

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20 Aug 2017 14:47:48
Been a culture of incompetance in the recruitment of players for years the club needs to appoint someone from outside to sort things out edwards as new sporting director is not the answer.


20 Aug 2017 14:55:40
It was Blackburn related with the Kenny incident just to clarify not LFC.


20 Aug 2017 15:33:51
What a player and what a man.

Forget all the Utd stuff, Roy Keane was an outstanding player and Captain.

I love listening to him and could do so all day.

A scouser with an Irish accent who unfortunately went to the wrong club in my opinion, and how much he gave Utd was only matched by a Gerrard or Souness.


20 Aug 2017 17:13:50
Could do with that type of player now.


20 Aug 2017 13:52:35
Ed's, I always assumed it wasn't if we sold coutinho but when and for how much. However, being this late and the fact that we would most certainly need a replacement, I'm starting to wonder if he actually isn't for sale. I said in a previous post that I would be fine with coutinho leaving if it meant we fixed our defense, but even that is looking unlikely at this point. Does klopp really think we can compete on multiple fronts with our current squad. And is he the only one that has confidence in our defense?

Sorry, couple questions mixed in there.

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{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has spoken with Barcelona and they don't want to sell. Giving a price on the player a couple of times looks rather stupid now. Klopp keeps telling everyone he is happy with the defence, but he does want van Dijk.}

20 Aug 2017 14:59:59
If you saw a better looking person than your other half, you wouldn't publicly l admit it if asked, but would definitely look on with lust.
You certainly wouldn't tell your current Moth that the one on the other side of the street is fitter lol.


20 Aug 2017 15:39:41
I tried that, Kev. Problem was, that as a result of becoming obsessive, and watching her across the street using a pair of binoculars while my bird fed the kids downstairs, I was reported for stalking and spent six months in Walton.


20 Aug 2017 17:01:26
Do you not think Klopp has to say that Ed002, in case the deal for VVD doesn't happen, he's got to try and keep the defenders he has, and may have to rely on for the season, happy/ confident?


{Ed002's Note - Sure.}

20 Aug 2017 22:17:32
Wow, that's a lovely story Davey, thanks for sharing lol ๐Ÿ˜†.


20 Aug 2017 14:09:40
Hi all, out of akl the ex LFC players on tv as pundits i have to say Redknapp grates me. Every player is " world class" etc. Souness i like especially on Irish tv as he can say what he wants without upsetting sky. Hamann is the same but one i've heard lately and like listening to is Bellamy. articulate and not at all like he was on the pitch.

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20 Aug 2017 14:15:17
I suggest turning the volume down when Redknapp speaks or alternatively putting your fingers in your ears and singing Nelly the elephant.


20 Aug 2017 14:24:51
Will do mate. henry is another flute too.


20 Aug 2017 14:46:27
Micheal Owen is the worse. When he commentates, I mute the whole game.


20 Aug 2017 14:56:55
carra, when his commentating on liverpool, does my brain in.


20 Aug 2017 16:15:52
Loved carra as a player but find him rude and arrogant on sky. self obsessed attention seeker.


20 Aug 2017 13:45:35
I am actually very pleased by the way club has done business under Klopp.

Most of the defensive signings did not cost fortune.

Klavan, matip, karius Robertson etc,

Where as Lovren Clyne Sakho moreno all were costly.

Money spent on mane is certainly worth. I am expecting Salah also to produce goods for lfc.

What do you guys think?

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20 Aug 2017 14:02:54
Devil's advocate, although 'cheap' could the jobs of Klavan and Karius not currently be filled by Ward and Gomez etc? There was also the loan of Caulker that was probably unnecessary.

That said, no manager will have a perfect transfer record, and I think he's right more than wrong! Certainly knows how to pick an attacker!


20 Aug 2017 14:07:21
I think your deluded, there's a reason they didn't cost a fortune, they aren't good enough! How can anybody be happy with how our club has done business? ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚.


20 Aug 2017 14:13:16
The way have done business under Klopp has been appaling. Yes, he has signed some decent players but look at the whole VVD saga, that proves the manner in which we have done our business has been nothing short of shite.


20 Aug 2017 14:16:33
There's a reason the Old Kent Road is cheaper than Park Lane in Monopoly.


20 Aug 2017 14:25:51
You're joking right?

I like what Klopp has done on the pitch but his transfer dealing has been an absolute embarassment. The mans arrogance exceeds that of Rodgers, even if he is slightly less mouthy to the press.

I kind of see where you are coming from in that he has got us competing on a relatively low budget but the only reason we haven't spent big money is because he keeps screwing up the deals with his disrespectful, arrogant behaviour. He literally thinks he has the right to tap players up and then moan about losing his own players.

I wish he was working under a director of football. Klopp needs to be cut out of all transfer negotiations, and he needs to be forced to take on a proper defensive coach. Not an ex-player who will kiss his back side, but a proper old school defensive coach like Phelan, Wilkins, Clarke, Karanka etc.

He is a great tactical coach. People who say he is bad at tactics are clueless because tactically poor managers don't beat the big sides. He is actually a very poor motivator contrary to popular belief, as is shown by his inability to get his players up for the smaller games. He is also a very poor judge of defenders, and he has no clue about set piece defending. His actual open play tactics are great though. We rarely ever get dominated and are almost always the team in control. Against the big teams where he doesn't need to worry about motivating or focusing the players we are fine.

I think he is unfairly criticised for his record in finals. Finals are a lottery. Our last 3 final victories (CL 05, FA 06, LC 12) were all penalty wins. We have a bigger issue regarding finals that is more down to our players not coping with the pressure of winning trophies at historically one of the top 5 clubs in Europe, than managers making tactical errors. How can anyone blame Klopp for a lost shoot out and the Moreno comedy show?

Overall, decent coach who needs to accept help where needed before he ends up sacked for either off field discrepancies or on field results (or lack of) .


20 Aug 2017 14:42:19
Yes yes yes. let's complain about klopp because that's what most people do on this site. when he does leave and leave he will (eventually) just remember the bitching most of you have done. VVD, Keita, salah, Brandt etc are all footballers of a much higher quality than what we are use to being linked with (several years) . That certainly comes down to the klopp influence, not solely but certainly a large percentage. So be careful what you wish for because we can always can woy hodgson back. Get your tampons out and focus on showing some bloody loyalty.


20 Aug 2017 15:55:32
Mane is the only one he can call a success so far. some are not here long enough to judge and the rest are dross.


20 Aug 2017 15:55:36
I have no idea why MK's post has is unpopular, I thought it was a great read personally.
Klopp's finals record is skewed by the fact that, more often than not, he's gone into them as the underdog, and in finals that means you usually lose.


20 Aug 2017 16:16:55
Razor sharp, old Kent road is also a lot cheaper to turn into something decent.


20 Aug 2017 18:30:26
"A poor motivator contrary to popular belief" - would you care to back that up with a source, or is that an opinion you're trying to pass off as fact?


20 Aug 2017 13:41:32
Hi Eds,

Great site, just want to make a few points in relation to Coutinho and what seems like our transfer incompetence. Firstly I hope that retaining Coutinho from the clutches of Barcelona is not seen as a great transfer victory and detracts from our failings so far in this window. Secondly there is a perception that if Liverpool overcome Hoffenheim, LFC will be in a position to start preying on clubs who have failed to achieve Champions League Football. It's all gone very quite at Anfield at the moment, the silence is deafening, our squad is one injury away from a Lovren/ Klavan CB partnership, I cannot believe Klopp is happy with the situation, imagine going to places like the Bernabeu with them as your last line of defence, Robertson had a great deput yesterday I just hope that he's not the only defensive addition. Thoughts!

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{Ed002's Note - I think that Liverpool has a little business to do still. Klaven is a player Klopp purchased and he has repeatedly said he is happy with the defence, although of course he wants, and I assume still expects, van Dijk.}

20 Aug 2017 13:58:22
The transfer window isn't over yet. Cheer up, we've made 3 signings - Solanke had a very good preseason and looks to have a great future, Salah has been impressive since we signed him and finally, Robertson who we've only seen once, but was easily the star player yesterday. It could be worse. At least we have the chance to go to the Bernabeau, unlike last season.


20 Aug 2017 13:35:50
It's funny how LFC fans would not be happy with Mahrez and Costa (premier league proven and premier league winners) because of their attitudes but are desperate for VVD and for Coutinho to stay. Personally I believe if we want to start challenging for the league and CL like the big club we claim to be then I would love all 4 of them in our squad.

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20 Aug 2017 14:00:04
How can you compare Costa's attitude to Coutinho's? Not even close.


20 Aug 2017 14:15:18
I would love to have Costa at the club it's just highly unlikely. As for Mahrez I don't really care.


20 Aug 2017 14:20:32
So you want to sign Costa who will go on strike as he has said he will not play for anyone other than AM?
We don't need Mahrez as he is a winger, Coutinho can go for me as I only want players who want to play for the club. A bit like VVD does, although I am not condoning his actions in the slightest.


20 Aug 2017 14:34:15
It's not just Mahrez's attitude but the fact he's had one decent season and people think he's a world beater. He's just not that good.


20 Aug 2017 14:38:35
Costa is getting unfair stick in my opinion. He is a bit of a tool on the pitch anyway, but i sympathise with his current situation.

At the end of the day i think we are all guilty of forgetting footballers are human, and playing is their job not their hobby. Some footballers hate it but just do it for money; Andy Carroll is a prime example.

If my boss text me and said he didn't want me working their anymore I'd have him in court. That is unprofessional on a ridiculous scale and in any other job if you then get forced out the door it would constitute as constructive dismissal. Footballers are slaves to their contracts (whatever way you look at it, refusing to let someone in the modern society work and live where they want is slavery - even if it is well paid) and we completely disregard their lives when talking about these things. People cruelly say things like "how can they be sad earning that much money" but happiness and money are not directly linked at all. There have been hundreds of incredibly rich people who have lost their lives to mental illness because they are too embarrassed to seek help, knowing full well the ridicule they will get; "but you're rich". If i was Costa there is no way I'd want to be in the same room as Conte so i completely understand his self prescribed exile. In fact i support his right to go wherever the hell he wants to go.

Just for one second, imagine you are unhappy with your life and you can't do anything about it because of a decision you made 6 months ago under different circumstances. Personally i disagree entirely with contracts in the game but i won't go into anymore details why as it is far too political for these pages.


{Ed002's Note - I think you may want to read up on the rest of the story. Costa told Conte he wanted out the second week after Conte arrived last summer. He spent January meeting with potential suiters from China and businessmen looking to make the deal happen. He has constantly stayed in contact with Atletico Madrid. He has turned down the opportunities of loans and a move to Italy. This is of his own making.

20 Aug 2017 14:39:38
I dislike Costa as a person and he is hated by most other teams fans. But so was Luis but those fans would have taken him in a heart beat. This isn't a popularity contest and Costa would have bagged a couple yesterday and they were just from Robertsons crosses. Costa has been courting a move out of Chelsea since January and is now happily on strike not collecting a wage. Coutinho has been courting Barcelona since January and appears to be on strike but whilst still collecting his wage, with no regard to whether we qualify for the CL. Yeah they really don't compare. You don't have to like the players, we're not their friends, but I would still support them every time they represent the club.


20 Aug 2017 14:50:13
Wouldn't want Costa or Mahrez at LFC. We need to improve the squad not go backwards.


20 Aug 2017 14:54:28
Me Dennis would you be happy with Kieta for 80 mill after 1 good season? And 1 season of a premier league medal, PFA players player of the year and PFA fans player of the year is a little bit better than decent.


20 Aug 2017 15:21:08
Wouldn't improve our squad. How many in our squad have won the premier league (both were major parts of) or PFA players player and fans player of the year.


20 Aug 2017 16:12:45
Mahrez is inconsistent Costa's a maniac poisonous psycho. Both no good for LFC. We need to keep our Best player and buy quality at the back if we want to win anything. If Keita is a not going to happen then we should snap up Seri asap.


20 Aug 2017 16:12:53
Jayden, Djimi Traore won a champions league medal in 2005, should we have kept him then for that reason?
Also Luke Chadwick won a premier league medal.


20 Aug 2017 18:32:41
Poor argument that mushroom.


20 Aug 2017 21:53:19
Only working on your logic Jayden.


21 Aug 2017 08:23:49
You've came back with no logic. So you're telling me you rate Traore's importance and performance to the team on the same level as Gerard's when we won the CL. You've brought Traores name into it as an argument against Costa and Mahrez. No matter what you think of them as individuals if you believe they are on the same playing level then you're as stupid as your logical argument.


22 Aug 2017 09:42:23
No matter how you put it Jayden, we don't need Mahrez or would you drop Mane? Besides Mahrez had 1 good season for Leicester.
Costa will not play for anyone other than AM. He sulked and became extremely disruptive at Chelsea, to the point that Conte doesn't want the premier league winner and PFA winner and anything else he has won anymore.
Neither would be improvements on our squad. And Costa wouldn't fit into the way we play.
Is that a better logical argument for you?


22 Aug 2017 14:16:10
So your logic is saying 2 players wouldn't improve the squad, get into the team or suite our style of play before they had even signed, that's like mystic meg logic. A player that scores 20 league goals a season and another who has won 2 PFA player of the year awards but has only had 1 good season although he has 27 goals and 19 assists in 3 seasons with last season getting 4 goals and 2 assists in 9 CL games. But like you have rightly pointed out Costa is not as good as Ings, Origi, Sturridge or Solanke. And Mahrez is not as good or proven as any of our midfielders in the premier league.


22 Aug 2017 19:31:51
It's about time you realised I was right Jayden ๐Ÿ˜œ.


22 Aug 2017 21:31:54
๐Ÿ˜‚ we will have to agree to disagree on this one ๐Ÿค”.


20 Aug 2017 13:17:35
What I don't understand about this couts saga is why didn't he put a release clause in his contract if he's been courting Barcelona all year๐Ÿค”Think his agent has dropped a bollock there. and now he is paying for it.

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{Ed002's Note - I have explained repeatedly about "release" clauses - perhaps you should go and read up on it.}

20 Aug 2017 13:15:24
Two friends have said klopp has written his notice which will be handed in if/ when pipco is sold.
Can anyone shed any info on this and if this were to happen who would be the replacement.

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{Ed002's Note - A few months ago Jurgen Klopp said he will do all he can to help Steven Gerrard replace him as Liverpool manager. Super Stevie Nicol must also be high on the list.}

20 Aug 2017 13:33:25
Thanks edd2. Have a great day.


20 Aug 2017 13:48:29
Are you saying klopp will throw a tantrum and leave if one player moves and he doesn't get his way?


20 Aug 2017 19:35:52
No that's what I was informed just passing on the info.


20 Aug 2017 13:07:30
Ed (s), just wondering, you seem to be increasingly frustrated with folks who don't understand the finances and all the behind the scenes football stuff, but ask about them anyway.

Have you got any suggestions for reading material so that we can learn a bit more about it all?

There is somewhat of an implication that the stuff we see and that gets reported, in general, is only the tip of the iceberg. How do we get underwater?

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{Ed002's Note - Without know what your questions are I cannot suggest what to read. I have explained about, FFP, about the monies involved in transfers etc. over and over again.}

20 Aug 2017 12:56:18
Hi, just wondering from how philleppe coutinho's transfer saga has been so public and played out through media/ forums/ social media and not always cordial how the fans will react if he (hopefully) stays? Just some reactions i've read a lot of fans aren't that impressed with his attitude if true or not. Is it just a case of 1 goal down the kop end and he's back or more needed? Will everyone embrace him when back? Thank you.

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20 Aug 2017 13:11:02
We will still respect the shirt on his back or we should be ashamed.
We got behind Suarez and he wanted to go to Arsenal.


20 Aug 2017 13:14:44
Football fans are fickle. When he scores a couple of goals it will be forgotten. let's hope he stays, plays well and has a good season. Enjoy the memories and wish he all the best as it will all kick off again next summer and he will probably go. If it happens then just hope he goes early so we have time to get the replacement in and upto speed.


20 Aug 2017 13:30:34
I will support him because he plays for my team, but Suarez didn't have a "back injury".
Coutinho has risked results for us by not making himself available like all good pros should.
What if we lost the two opening league games, got a poor result at Hoffenheim?
Very very unprofessional!


20 Aug 2017 13:54:21
No, at the time Suarez was serving a ban for biting and unavailable till end of September. So your Back comment not really just to compare him with Suarez. Coutinho has been a wonderful servant for the Club.
I wiil support the shirt and the player bad back and all.


20 Aug 2017 14:24:32
Suarez still showed up everyday to train.
Showed up and trained for when the time came to play.
Is PC training? Nope.
Is he banned? Nope.
Is he fit? I doubt it 100%.
I'm not defending either player, just a comparison.


20 Aug 2017 12:47:27
so Barcelona are giving us so called ultimatums take there latest offer or it will be taken off the table-- take it off the table take the table too-do they think they can push every body around there needs are more desperate than ours.

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{Ed002's Note - Barcelona have acted reasonably and legally throughout - whilst Klopp and Liverpool have been entirely unprofessional with their transfer dealings. Perhaps you should look closer to home for you idiotic posts.}

20 Aug 2017 13:13:53
ed we don't want to sell just because the player wants to go and the buying team want him why shpuld we sell. its in our best interest to keep our best players or at least get a fee which suits us for phil. i don't get your distain for liverpool and their dealings with Barca. we acted illegally and wrongly this summer with our tapping up and unsettling of Vvd and NB but that doesn't mean we should roll over this because Barcelona come calling.


{Ed002's Note - I have never suggested that Liverpool should sell. I have explained repeatedly the situation as it is. I don't and have never said that Liverpool have acted incorrectly with Barcelona - but the repeated embarrassing posts from Liverpool supporters about the funds offered and Barcelona themselves go well beyond the normal stupidity shown by the fans. Could you point out where i said Liverpool should "roll over"?}

20 Aug 2017 13:33:17
ed u have no sugguested liverpool should roll over nor said liverpool have acted incorrectly with barca. all i am saying is that unless liverpool get what price they deemed suitable for PC they shouldn't sell just because Phil says he wants to go. liverpool be it the manager, board or owners have to put liverpools interests first. im sure of he stays he will put his head down as he doesn't seem the type of player to be disruptive. anyway ed thanks for your time and effort.


{Ed002's Note - There is a trade off between having a disgruntled player at the club or not. Most clubs will not want players at the club who are unhappy and want to be elsewhere - and they won't stand in the way of a player who wants to go if an acceptable offer is recieved.}

20 Aug 2017 13:45:09
Don't think he was referring to illegal behaviour, just that their behaviour in general is the known cheeky Barca/ Madrid way.
No I'm not condoning anything that happened closer to home by the way.
Barca don't behave the way the vast majority of English clubs do in and around transfers i. e. regularly briefing the media on other clubs' players.
Just look at Koeman last week refusing to talk about Sigurdsen until his transfer was complete saying he refused to discuss other clubs' players which was admirable. Football is constantly evolving though, following the leaders and soon all clubs may well follow Barca's ways.


{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what you are talking about with "cheeky". Barcelona has a pretty good relationship with many of the clubs they deal with regularly but as you say thay will speak with the press. Later this week they will be involved in a meeting in Monaco with a group of "elite" sides and a few invitees - and on the agenda, amongst other matter, is the subject of the spiralling transfer fees.}

20 Aug 2017 14:08:54
Funny how it wasn't on the agenda when they could buy whoever they wanted but now there is competition and there all skint they want to talk about it haha.

That's the only reason I love the city's and psgs, they can rival and make the "super teams" look stupid.

Neymar transfer was awesome!


20 Aug 2017 14:10:23
Cheeky was a figure of speech in relation to when they discuss potential transfers by name etc. with the media such as how Pep Segura did it last week about 2 players, neither of them Barcelona players yet, saying both transfers were "close".
Like I say, English clubs are not used to this generally so it looks "cheeky" but I believe it will creep more and more into the English way over the next number of years. Guardiola refused to talk about Jonny Evans in a press conference in Thurs or Fri, I'm pretty sure if he was still manager of Barcelona he'd have a different approach but hey ho, each to their own and in all honesty I couldn't care less what way it's done so long as it's legal and clean.


20 Aug 2017 12:04:38
I am still struggling to understand the timing on Pipcos transfer to Barca.

Pipco was seen as an Iniesta replacement and all that has happened is that Barcelona have unexpectedly lost Neymar and got a shed load of money.

Why are Barcelona bringing forward the Pipco transfer when they could leave that to next season and sort out the other issues in the side with a woeful defence and need to replace Neymar.

Why is it now or never when Iniesta is still at Barcelona this season.

If Pipco has to be sold this season let's hope LFC have the deals sorted to bring in the RBL guy and the CB we are no longer interested in! If that was to happen it would make losing Pipco more acceptable.

PS. How ironic it would be if we do the Pipco deal with Barcelona only for Pipco to fail his medical due to a chronic back problem!

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{Ed002's Note - They are not "bringing it forward, it has been on the cards for more than a year. It is nothing to do with Neymar's transfer.}

20 Aug 2017 12:21:12
Ed002 thanks for you response.

I had been under the impression from comments made By Guillem Ballague that Pipco was to be seen as a target next season.

The Neymar thing then came up and blindsided Barcelona and they seem to have responded with bringing forward Pipco deal when they maybe should b dealing with other issues

Anway Ed002 I take what you say as correct and thank you.


{Ed002's Note - No, as I have been explaining for more than a year, Coutinho has been looking to engineer this move. They want him now and have been doing the right thing and making offers and discussing the matter with Liverpool. Liverpool have made it clear that they do not wish to sell and Barcelona will look to other options.}

20 Aug 2017 12:22:47
My question is why did they leave it so late to try sign him if they offered 120 million at the start of the window he'd be playing for them now.


{Ed002's Note - The transfer window is still open - there are a large number of very significant transactions that are yet to happen.}

20 Aug 2017 12:37:30
Ed002 was Pipco badly advised by his people to sign his contract extension with LFC with no provisions giving room for Barcelona to come in for him given he was looking to get to Barcelona sometime soon?


{Ed002's Note - The contract extension is nothing to do with it. He had already had his agent go speak with Barcelona by that point.}

20 Aug 2017 12:40:01
If he has been engineering this move for more than a year why sign a 5 year deal and tie your hands behind your back or was that so his agent could make a shed load of money.


{Ed002's Note - Ignore the contract.}

20 Aug 2017 12:59:18
I know I am taking my life in my hands, but. why ignore the contract?

Are we really saying that they are barely worth the paper they are written on and are purely mechanism for pay rises in return for a sham of commitment, which lasts only until a prettier girl comes along? You can see why fans would struggle with that, and I can imagine there will come a time when clubs won't.

Ed, I firmly believe there are always three sides to every story, and this is not my industry so there will be large amounts that I am oblivious too, but are you really saying that contracts are of next to no relevance now in football (which has probably been the reality for a while now)? If so, I would be interested if you have thoughts on how ownership of players, contracts, etc may evolve in the future, as clubs and players seem to have rapidly diverging interests.


{Ed002's Note - I did not say that contracts have next to no relevance. I have no idea why you are unable to grasp the simple situation that we have here. It is a player who wants to leave, a club that wants to buy and a club that doesn't want to sell. It is business as usual and there is nothing in any way special about Countinho or this potential transfer at all. You seem to think there is something strange going on. There isn't.}

20 Aug 2017 13:04:04
Ed002 it seems that the football business is like the Wild West. ignore the contract!

Pipco wants to leave LFC for Barcelona and is in process of getting move sorted but he still signs contract extension with LFC with no provisions that allow for Barcelona to come in.

It does seem that Pipcos people have not been too smart in their lives hinking.

I understand that Pipco wants to go to Barcelona and I don't have a problem with that given. It just seems odd that he ties himself up with a long contract at LFC whilst trying to engineer his Barcelona move.

Why should we ignore the contract. it gives LFC the winning hand should they chose to go all the way I this poker game.


{Ed002's Note - You seem to be simply making stuff up about "provisions for Barcelona to come in". This is the norm, it happens al;l of the time. It is the transfer process that for some reason many Liverpool supporters simply cannot grasp. The contract is of no relevance whatsoever - it is up to the club whether they will sell or not - the contract does not come in to it.}

20 Aug 2017 13:14:13
Maybe i missed the reason but why have Barcelona taken a "now or never" stance. If they fail to get pipco this window and also fail to replace iniesta before next season why would they not retry negotiations next season. Couts is coming into his prime and will most likely only get better. Surely Barcelona won't drop all interest if he was available say next summer would they?


{Ed002's Note - The want the player now - it is very, very simple. If they cannot get the player now, they will look to another target instead of Coutinho.}

20 Aug 2017 13:23:17
I just feel that if they really want him, and he also really want to go to them, they should start all of this much much earlier. I started to understand more the frustrations, it seems too late to find someone to replace him with the window just left a few days. By replacement, I meant in midfield though.


20 Aug 2017 13:23:44
Ed I appreciate its hard to answer but in YOUR opinion will Pipco join Barcelona this window?


{Ed002's Note - I really don't know. He wants to move and has been courting Barcelona for more than a year and don't forget that Liverpool and Klopp know that he is pretty desperate to join Barcelona.}

20 Aug 2017 13:28:51
Thanks Ed002.

Will be interesting to see if LFC fans are happy once transfer window closes.

I am still hoping Macca is right about who he would thinks may be coming in to the club.

We will miss Pipco if he goes but we will survive.


20 Aug 2017 13:43:43
But eds02 what about the contract? Lol.


20 Aug 2017 13:59:33
Hi ed002

Do you expect one final bid from Barcelona next week?


{Ed002's Note - I would not be surprised if there were one final offer.}

20 Aug 2017 14:46:12
Ed, sorry I was not suggesting that you were saying that they were no value, that was my interpretation from you saying"ignore the contract". Also my comment was not suggesting anything strange is going on here it is universal, and to me vvd is the same (and no doubt many more), so this is in no way me playing a poor old Liverpool card, I think the power balance seems a little lopsided at the moment, and players sign long and lucrative contracts and want to leave 5 minutes later.

I understand by one of your other responses that the reason that the contract has no relevance in your view, is because the owners will either sell, or they won't and therefore his contract is not relevant. That makes perfect sense from a completely objective perspective. However it appears that it is not that simple, because players these days seem to agitate for moves more, behave shall we say "interestingly" if they don't get their way. don't train properly, and even refuse to play (or even return to the country) . Worse is the suggestion (not from you) that many of them are "advised" to behave a certain way to get what they want.

Honestly not suggesting the Pipco situation is in any way abnormal, if anything it is becoming sadly too common.

In your view did players always do this, but it was less visible to fans before 24 hour multi-platform news, or is it as it seems a more recent phenomena?


{Ed002's Note - It is common for players to want to move on.}

20 Aug 2017 11:25:27
Hi all, am just wondering if the Barcelona situation may cause a change in mind for Pipco. The team is not performing, star player has left, Citeh seem convinced Messi will join Pep . Rest of the team aging and other replacements below par . Any views Eds?

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{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what you are talking about. He has been courting them for more than a year and doesn't want to play for Liverpool any longer. He wants to move to Barcelona.}

20 Aug 2017 11:41:42
Have you spoke to him Ed? I just wonder why you say he doesn't want to play for Liverpool any longer? Surely if Barcelona won't offer enough for him he will be happy to play for the club he's been happy at for 4 years and just signed a long term contract with? Yes he'd like to go to Barcelona but it seems they don't rate him highly enough to offer the required deal.


{Ed002's Note - You are not seemingly understanding the lengths the player has gone to to get the move he wants. Did your mother repeatedly bang you on the head as a child or are you just stupid?}

20 Aug 2017 12:13:23
can you please elaborate on these lengths, for those of us who do not know . Cheers.


{Ed002's Note - I have spent more than a year explaining to you all. It makes no sense to yet again explain.}

20 Aug 2017 12:17:50
He been wanting go Barcelona for over a year there you go not hard.


20 Aug 2017 12:26:51
Ed that is gold. I think he has a headache from his mum banging his head against the wall.


20 Aug 2017 12:29:21
People generally hear what they want to hear. I think a lot of fans never want to believe their best players want to leave, but it's football. Barring something extraordinary Coutinho will leave. Like Owen, Alonso, Mascherano, Torres, Suarez, Sterling and potentially Can. Whether it's money, cups or a mixture of both, they wanted out and forced their way out. Coutinho is no different. Liverpool may have asked Coutinho for another year, but I think he may have given Liverpool that extra year last year.


20 Aug 2017 12:57:48
Only thing that doesn't make sense with what ed002 says is that Coutinho signed a new contract. Why would he do that if he was so sure he wanted to go? And without release clauses. At the time he even saying: Stay here and they will end up building a statue in your honour. Go somewhere else, to Barcelona, to Bayern Munich, to Real Madrid, and you will be just another player.

For me that does not add up with a player that desperately wants to go to Barcelona.


{Ed002's Note - Release clauses? What are you talking about?

20 Aug 2017 12:58:59
Did Coutinho tell Liverpool he wanted to leave when he started courting Barcelona, or were we in the dark, so to speak, until Barcelona started bidding?


{Ed002's Note - Done to death. Go and read the posts.}

20 Aug 2017 12:59:24
And some people haven't been reading the site for a year and therefore are unaware of the whole situation as you don't hear it in the mainstream media. I think the whole thing if he was happy here for 4 years is a valid point.


{Ed002's Note - And are they not bright enough to use the search engine? It gets tiresome for the editors having to repeat themselves over and over again.}

20 Aug 2017 13:04:44
Ed02 has been getting us prepared for this scenario for a yr.
I did believe you Ed02, I just don't think you would of kept saying it just to wind us up.


{Ed002's Note - Sadly many of the others still seemed shocked about it and are in denial.}

20 Aug 2017 13:16:37
Ed002 has said many times that pipco has been courting Barcelona through international team mates and his agent. pretty simple really.


20 Aug 2017 13:22:44
People hear" I'm signing a new deal to hopefully become a legend at lfc etc etc, those words came out of his mouth, so your talking crap, yes he may want to leave but the needs of the club are way more important than his, if this move was a year in the making why did Barcelona wait til the week our season started to bid? He signed his contract, they left it late, they have to deal with that,


{Ed002's Note - I am not "talking crap", it is simply that you are so stupid you can't understand what has been going on for more than a year. The contract is of zero relevance in this matter. Coutinho is desperate to leave and both Klopp and Liverpool know that. Suck it up.}

20 Aug 2017 13:34:18
I don't think we will sell. I have spent the summer convinced that we are just waiting for the right price. However, the tr came way too late in the day. We hold all the cards and have only one reason to sell and that is to keep pc happy. I expect most players would like to play for Barcelona and he can follow his dream next year (if he still wants to go) we don't need the money, Phil has to perform as it's world cup year. I ghink liverpool can go a long way this season with pc in our team. Let's spend this year looking for a suitable replacement and let him go next year.


{Ed002's Note - So I guess you also think with the transfer window still open for another two weeks that it is also too late for Liverpool to buy any players?}

20 Aug 2017 14:18:45
Ed02, I was not replying to you with my comment, I was replying to Sydney's comment about fans hearing what they want to hear, I should have said that at the beginning of my post, I certainly wasn't saying you were talking crap, apologies for the mix up.


{Ed002's Note - No problem.}

20 Aug 2017 14:41:59
Port red, my point proven. Liverpool fans heard Coutinho saying he wants to become a legend bla bla. But chose not to hear that he wants to leave. Even though the editor and other sources have been saying for a long time that Coutinho wants to leave. I remember the Ronaldo saga and I was one of the fans in denial. Anyway it's just football, players come and go, in a year or two it'll be Mane pushing his way out. So chill ๐Ÿ˜‰.


20 Aug 2017 10:45:11
Barcelona saying that it's now or never so guessing one more bid will be lined up in the region on ยฃ130million. I think Liverpool should accept and keep it behind closed doors till we can do some business ourselves without clubs knowing we have that money come in. Maybe wait until we are for sure in the champions league.

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20 Aug 2017 11:37:36
Barcelona keep quiet? They were scheduling a bloody presentation. They'll be screaming it from, the nou camp.


20 Aug 2017 13:43:15
If it was ยฃ130m straight up without stupid clauses, then Liverpool should accept as it's clear that PC wants to leave. If not, then tell Barcelona to do one. That's how I see it.


{Ed002's Note - Clearly you also don't seem to be able to grasp the transfer process either.}

Liverpool Season Review

20 Aug 2017 10:50:40
{Ed's Note - We have posted a new article entitled, Liverpool Season Review

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20 Aug 2017 10:53:37
Great stuff Ed001.


{Ed001's Note - cheers.}

20 Aug 2017 10:57:04
Good read Ed001 thank you!
I didn't know iwobi played for Liverpool;)


{Ed001's Note - sorted it now sorry.}

20 Aug 2017 11:18:40
Good read Ed, but you left Iwobi in from arsenals.


With Kent making an impact on preseason do you think we will see him making the bench a bit more this season or a loan?


{Ed001's Note - sorted it now thanks mate.

Depends on his fitness and form. Looks like he should get the cup games though, all being well.}

20 Aug 2017 11:19:12
Great read, Hope to see more of woodburn, but i get the feeling that he only Will get the odd cup game. No idea what iwobi is doing in There?


{Ed001's Note - just a mistake. I just keep the same template and (usually) edit out the previous team as I go. Fixed now.}

20 Aug 2017 14:28:42
Couple of dodgy ratings in there (for my money, Lovren had a much better season than Klavan and Mignolet was better than Karius), but a good read. Thanks.


20 Aug 2017 10:37:39
Ed do you think Houllier was at the game yesterday as a fan, or in his red bull advisory role.

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{Ed002's Note - I really have no idea, but in the words of Lao Tzu, if he was there for RB would that stop hom being a fan as well?}

20 Aug 2017 10:58:38
Wow Ed a bit of Taoism hat's off to you my friend, you taught me something to I didn't know RB was around back then :)


20 Aug 2017 11:11:51
Maybe our defensive coach should apply Chinese philosophy:


"Do the difficult things while they are easy and do the great things while they are small. A journey of a thousand miles must begin with a single step"


20 Aug 2017 12:36:51
I think our "defensive coach" is having a bit of an existential crisis lasting the last 10 years ๐Ÿ˜„.


20 Aug 2017 10:34:37
Really good debut for Robertson yesterday, but would be better if we had a poacher to get in the box on the end of those crosses.

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20 Aug 2017 10:51:05
Very proud of the lad hope he continues to impress.


20 Aug 2017 11:26:47
yep, a great cross and some good defence and attack plays. Good man :)


20 Aug 2017 12:38:23
He deserves more credit for his debut after a lot of fools said "I know he's not good enough because I watched him play for Hull".

Well done Robbo ๐Ÿ‘.


20 Aug 2017 13:29:48
While it was wrong to rite him off like that it's also abit early for the ", I told us so's, we played a desperately poor palace team so let's wait for say 10 games in before judging, I remember Moreno playing well and scoring on his first game against spurs?


20 Aug 2017 16:01:12
The difference is Port red, that some of us were willing to give him a chance whilst others wrote him off before he kicked a ball.


21 Aug 2017 15:22:01
He's never done anything wrong whilst playing for Hull anyway so it's amazing how people can write him off so early.
Just because he wasn't a 50m player from a top european team, doesn't mean he's bad player. Could prove to be a really good piece of business.


20 Aug 2017 10:27:46
Morning all

Eds are you aware of any progress at this stage towards any targets we are looking at bringing in?

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{Ed002's Note - Nope, sorry.}

20 Aug 2017 10:24:21
Hi eds, any insight on the make up of the bid from Barca? Is what the papers are saying correct? If so, any idea if we simply said no, or was it a no because the bid payments were unacceptable? I wasn't us to keep Phil as I can't see who we get to replace him with so little time left, however I also want him to leave on good terms when he eventually does leave.

Appreciate the work you lot do keeping the unwashed masses updated with information ๐Ÿ˜.

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{Ed002's Note - It is of no significance to these pages at all.}

20 Aug 2017 09:44:38
Question for Ed. Morning all. I've read a lot of comments about how the latest offer from Barcelona for PC was structured. Could you tell me if this is really an unusual way to frame an offer or is it quite standard and just that this one has received more publicity? Or does every offer structure vary depending on the player and teams? Also, is it unusual for a team to reject an offer based on how it is structured, or is it just the amount that matters? Thanks in advance.

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{Ed002's Note - It is typical of a starting point and typical of what many clubs end up doing - including Liverpool.}

20 Aug 2017 10:39:29
So basically it's not a big deal.


{Ed002's Note - Only to the supporters who seemingly don't understand the finances one iota.}

20 Aug 2017 10:53:05
Ok cheers.


20 Aug 2017 10:07:08
Didn't know sky sports news had been changed to Man Utd show ๐Ÿคก๐Ÿคก๐Ÿคก๐Ÿคก๐Ÿคก.

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20 Aug 2017 10:13:06
Agree mate o think they are just waiting for united to perform and aing their songs.


20 Aug 2017 10:16:48
Turn it off. I only watch the games mate.


20 Aug 2017 10:05:23
Thanks ed01 for your match review its always spot on waiting for win on wednesday and min.2 signings before transfer window ends and hoping for a great season for all the fans by our team.

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{Ed001's Note - cheers mate, glad you enjoyed.}

20 Aug 2017 09:58:41
hi ed001 if VVD and naby became available for about ยฃ140m-ยฃ160m would we have the money to sign both or would we need to sell coutinho. if we go and win Wednesday things will change with funds and players wanting to come.

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{Ed001's Note - it is not that simple. How would the payment terms be structured for that money? Would that be an outright payment or be including add ons? Does that include fees? Etc etc.}

20 Aug 2017 10:21:25
That's crazy money for both players. Utterly crazy.


20 Aug 2017 10:21:36
like you said before ed001 the money is to complicated to explain. I was just wondering with maaca's comments that he expected both one more. and to keep phil and which would have been one hell of an outlay by the club. with all the hidden fees that you tells us about that people don't seem to take into account. thanks again ed001.


{Ed001's Note - I am sure that the club would find a way to get the money for both. It might mean loans, but the income from the new TV deal does allow us more flexibility, though it could well impact future transfer windows if we spend too much.}

20 Aug 2017 10:22:43
Your right Ed don't talk to us about money it does confuse us. Anyway most of us on here need to take our shoes and sock's off to count above 10.


{Ed002's Note - I had always susprected Liverpool supporters had many more toes than most.}

20 Aug 2017 11:24:19
Eds I know you don't like talking finance but seems as the can of worms is already open here thought I would chance my arm. Regarding the tv money that all clubs get. Is that a 1 off payment of the full lot or is it spread out over a season or longer.


{Ed002's Note - It is paid in two amounts.}

20 Aug 2017 11:42:34
Cheers for the reply ed.


20 Aug 2017 09:52:01
The people saying we've got to take that money its a lot, your not going to get any of it of you know, its too late in the window plus we supposedly had 150+ to spend on players this window.

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20 Aug 2017 09:16:43
Deat ed01 u r always spot on i am hearing paul joyce saying barcelona has given the ultimatum to liverpool regarding couts till sunday what's the hell ed01 they are thinking try to get players on cheap by turning thier head not a gud way to negotiate and what's your take do u think if they don't stamp all the cash upfront min.130 mill. do u think we will let him go this summer
I always appreciate your gud work and mate kindly join ourclub liverpool
as a coach mate u have got exceptional knowledge about footbal mate
Thanks.

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{Ed001's Note - it is only the kind of tactics we have been employing this summer. It is a club in a mess and they have already been shafted on Paulinho, the fans are upset about that, so now they are trying to bully Liverpool and Dortmund into selling for less than they want.

I am not a coach though mate, thank you for the kind words, but it is analysis that I do well, not coaching. I would be far too harsh as a coach, as I would pick too many faults in everything the players did and these days that is apparently not done.}

20 Aug 2017 09:51:22
An ultimatum to a club that doesn't want to sell? ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ™Œ.


20 Aug 2017 09:58:08
I think the ultimatum makes it easier for us to say no, their offer does not offer value due to ยฃ40mil addons!
ยฃ120mil straight up and we may well deal, it's up to Barcelona not us, it's ridiculous to say but ยฃ80mil is no longer that much in football - I never thought I would say that!
We and Dortmund own the players, I am just grateful Coutinho does not act like Dembele. as far as we know anyway.


20 Aug 2017 09:11:22
Ed01 waiting for your review of the match last night gud performance by henderson, matip, gomez, robertson and mane is the hero of the team with firmino who ran all the day and create so much spaces for the team and my god his first touch was always sensational.

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{Ed001's Note - I did it last night mate it's here: match review.}

20 Aug 2017 08:46:29
Just a quick question (for Ed2?) I'm aware of easily winding yous all up with not knowing how these things work, but why are we being told it's 'now or never' for Coutinho?

He's only 25, just signed a new long term contract with no release clause and will hopefully get the chance to play CL football at a club he seemed quite happy at.

I'm not saying that he shouldn't have ambition to play for Barcelona or that he shouldn't ever play there, but why is it not possible that he gives us one season (out of the five he signed up for)? A similar situation arose with Suarez and it didn't stop Barcelona coming back in for him the following year.

I wouldn't ask if it were something emanating from the club involved or Spanish media in general, but it's something the eds have mentioned once or twice too.

Apologies if this has been covered - I did try R'ingT (F) P's but I got lost in the sheer volume on the subject of the little magician.

Cheers in advance.

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{Ed002's Note - Because Barcelona will move on because they have a spot in the side to fill. They want Countinho and he wants them - but if it can't happen they will move on. They sure as hell won't be waiting another year.}

20 Aug 2017 09:41:09
I really believe we can't predict next year, if Barcelona signed Let's say Seri to play in cm and he was underwhelming or coutinho had an outstanding year and world cup I believe Barcelona would jus come back in for him. I understand ed002 delaying they won't wait a year for him which is understandable but that doesn't mean a future bid won't come in for him. In my opinion that is anyway.


20 Aug 2017 09:46:25
Thanks for the prompt response!

Still can't help thinking if he's good enough, they will. Or if say someone, like say Paulinho, doesn't work out, they might well come in for him next year. Liverpool might have to with Kieta (house hunting in the Wirral notwithstanding)

They may well not want to wait, but there seem to be one or two teams digging their heels in and there aren't that many 'world class' players knocking around at many cashstrapped clubs these days.

(Dog With Bone)


{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with Paulinho, who plays in a completely different position, at all. Barcelona, as I have said and as they have said, don't want to wait.}

20 Aug 2017 09:49:11
Ed002, I have to disagree with you on this one. If Couts stays another year and has a reasonably good one, then gets in the National team for the summer competition and excels there too, I have no doubt Barcelona will definitely come back in for him. I know they have gaps to fill NOW, but they will also have gaps to fill next season too.

However, I do still think he will go before the 31st of August.


{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with the World Cup. They want the player now - I have explained that. It has been made clear by Barcelona that they want the player now. They have an alternate that they will move to if necessary.}

20 Aug 2017 10:22:55
They will wait. He's a one off and could be even more in need of him next season!


20 Aug 2017 10:45:20
I agree that Barcelona will sign someone else if they don't get Coutinho this year - however Coutinho could stay for 3 years, potentially winning the league ( though I'd imagine his statue is in jeopardy due to the transfer request! ) and then join Barcelona- he'd only be the same age then as Suarez was when he joined them - he could end up fulfilling both of his expressed dreams.


{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with The Runt. His agen in three years time is of zero relevance.}

20 Aug 2017 10:47:57
They will probably change their manager or their president or their sporting director in the next 12 months and the new man will come after Coutinho again.
Nice try Barcelona ๐Ÿ˜.


20 Aug 2017 11:03:47
Who says the player they sign instead of pipco won't be a flop? Nvr guaranteed anything in football!


{Ed002's Note - Sure - another idiotic post.}

20 Aug 2017 09:05:05
Has Klopp ever tried to sign Mario Gotze since being at Liverpool?

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20 Aug 2017 09:16:39
No. But there were a bunch of people on this site that wanted us to sign the "world class" Gotze instead of the "poor attitude and inconsistent" Mane.
Glad Klopp got that one right or we would be in the Europa league this season.


20 Aug 2017 08:43:43
Firmino is more like Kuyt, who can play in multiple positions.
Same is the case with Milner. coaches find these guys very helpful as they hardly get injured and work really hard.

Although I really want to see one striker upfront. Klopp is rotating the players and it is clear that he will be using Solanke, studge and origi when fit.

Any idea who all start against Hoffenheim?

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20 Aug 2017 08:58:42
Milner is like polyfilla in that he can fill any gap in the squad.


20 Aug 2017 09:19:46
I reckon Mane, Firmino, Salah will be the go to starting lineup this season. Can't wait for Lallana to come back, he's the link man to the forwards that makes us really tick (in Coutinhos absence) .


20 Aug 2017 09:57:37
Lallana out until December now so I read yesterday. Any one else heard anything? Shame if true.


20 Aug 2017 08:22:35
Hi Eds,

I wanted to ask about the situation with origi?
It appears he is now our 4th choice striker which I can't imagine he is happy with. With Ings on his way back as well he could soon be battling with him just for a spot on the bench!
With it being a World Cup year is it possible to see him make a move before the window closes? Or would this be a more likely scenario to occur in January.

Thanks for your time.

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{Ed001's Note - it is possible but unlikely he will go out on loan. January is more likely, Ings is likely to need at least 6 months before he is anything like ready to return.}

20 Aug 2017 08:34:02
United dominated with 4 strikers.

If we get through to the group stages of the CL, there will be a lot of football to play.

I personally wouldn't send original put on loan, unless another game in.

Just my opinion.


20 Aug 2017 08:35:17
Thanks Ed.
That's what I suspected, I think this season will be his last. The talent is there but he's never shown it consistently.


20 Aug 2017 08:41:20
To be fair, United played with 2 strikers. If you do that, you need 4. We rarely even play 1!


20 Aug 2017 09:02:20
Origi will be the solution off the bench when teams are open against us and he can run behind them. Solanke will be used when teams are playing deep. Just the way I see it. Room for both of them.


20 Aug 2017 09:06:29
They did MK but the back up was there if there were any injurys.

No idea what I was writing, predictive text!


20 Aug 2017 09:23:42
Agree No Fin - Origi dangerous when sides leave space for him to run into but Solanke looks to have the better link play and more dangerous in the air, so probably best when sides are sitting deep. I can see Robertson and Solanke feeding off each other given time, Robertson put some killer balls into the box yesterday that were dying for a traditional CF.


20 Aug 2017 09:28:34
The squad will suffer surefire injuries as the season progresses. We will need all the players on our payroll at some point and Origi could prove a valuable squad player.


20 Aug 2017 08:12:05
Just my opinion but yesterday game was a perfect example of why we should keep couts . lots of possession which he would of had a field day and the dangerous free kicks we had Wich were taken awfully. I'm convinced couts would of banged one of them in. this is why we must keep hold of the little magician. just my thoughts ๐Ÿ’ญ cracking win tho and about time we kept a clean sheet. Robertson looked the dogs danglys ๐Ÿ‘.

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20 Aug 2017 09:04:13
TAA was our set piece saviour last week, we won't miss coutinho free kicks or corner kicks with TAA now in the team.
Last season (with couts) we really struggled against teams set up like that, usually losing to a single goal from a single shot at goal. (Last season we lost that game against palace)
But this game we won, with a clean sheet, shows progress to me and that we can live without coutinho.


20 Aug 2017 09:31:48
Way to heap the pressure on TAA. I hope the kid does not visit this site to see people hailing him as the almighty heir to Coutinho.
If Coutinho goes, he needs replacing with a top player. Did u not see how pedestrian our midfield was against Palace? All work horses plus Can but where is the midfielder that can link up play with our forwards and pick out Salah and Mane's runs? Lallana is out for the next 3 months so where is that going to come from?


20 Aug 2017 15:40:11
Well, he already has taken over as free kick and corner kick taker and is doing well so I don't think if he ever reads my post his nerves will crumble.


20 Aug 2017 07:59:58
The future is looking bright with our TAA and Robertson options. We have all seen TAA pre season and against Watford/ Hoffenheim.
Robertson was great yesterday. His passing, awareness, one twos and overall his crossing were superb. Where the difference between his ยฃ8m and Kyle Walkers ยฃ50m is I will never know.
Yes, Robertson needs testing defensively, and will get that against Arsenal, but he looked great yesterday.
Strikers will gobble up those crosses.
Does make me wonder whether we should be looking at the 3CB system to allow TAA and Robertson to push up. They offer such good width. I winder if that is why Klopp is so determined to get a ball playing CB.

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20 Aug 2017 08:37:51
I think There will be times we may go three at the back. Gomez Matip and Vvd for me, if Maccas right and we end up signing him.
If we want to use our full backs for the width they need to have an end product. Robertson and Arnold are both really good at delivery with there crosses, so we have cheaply addressed one of our failures of last season.
The team need to defend better Andy. Klopp is right what he says other players need to take defensive responsibilty When our fullbacks are up the park, just like Milner did yesterday.
I love the way we play, it is so much better to watch than the we stop the opposition playing and wait fo mistakes tactics, that other certain managers employ.
Good Post I totally agree with your thoughts Mate.


20 Aug 2017 08:44:46
We lack the depth to play 3 CBs, unless Shako is considered even after a new CB comes in?


20 Aug 2017 08:47:03
We just need a vocal defender. Someone like a Carragher, or Terry. Not neccesarily someone who is the best defender in the world, but someone who can organise the defense. You would be surprised how much that would help both our defense and our keeper.
Thats why zonal worked better under Rafa, he had a leader in Carragher to male sure everyone was doing their job.


20 Aug 2017 09:17:52
Scott Dann? Could do a job for us, is a LFC fan and would be a sound stop gap till Gomez is ready to step up. In fact, I'd like to see both VVD and Dann sign.


20 Aug 2017 09:54:02
Actually, Carragher and Terry were also very good defenders and good footballers.


20 Aug 2017 15:12:14
Mr Dennis I didn't mean they weren't, they were both extremely good. I just meant that we wouldn't have to find someone on that level, just someone is good but vocal and has a good understanding.


20 Aug 2017 05:54:52
With TAA and Robertson in the team, all we need is a proper D to protect our weak CBs.

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20 Aug 2017 06:56:55
Or replace the weak CB's?


20 Aug 2017 07:36:20
I agree with both of the above and we still need a leader at CB.

I also hope Gomez can keep injury free as he will be a useful addition. One thing I noticed about Gomez yesterday, was that he didn't just head the ball into "no mans land" when the ball came to him in the air. When he had the time, he chested the ball down and picked a pass.


20 Aug 2017 07:50:38
You can get World class CBs, but if you don't have good Def Mid protecting then, they will look ordinary. Having said that there is no excuse for us, being pathetic in defending set pieces.


20 Aug 2017 08:32:38
Goan. Agree 100% with you. Would love DM who can boss at the back.


20 Aug 2017 08:44:44
The way we want to play with a high line cuts out the need for having someone sitting in front of 2 cen.


20 Aug 2017 08:55:41
We shouldn't need an out and out defensive midfielder while playing the high line. We just need CM's who know how to read the play, fill gaps, cover positions and pick up runners.
Milner did a good job in that yesterday. I am not saying he's the answer but he showed up well yesterday. Just my opinion on what we need for our Managers style of play.


20 Aug 2017 09:19:01
I like the look of Nzonzi. Premier league experience, won a couple of Europas with Sevilla and available at a reasonable price. He is also strong and tall which helps in set pieces.


20 Aug 2017 05:13:12
Ed001 what you opinion on Sturridge yesterday? I'm desperate for him to succeed with us but something just seems missing with him. It was devastating watching him chase a ball in the first half and being outpaced by an average speed defender. That lightning speed has truly gone and he doesn't seem to be finding himself in positions to score. Also do you think Bobby will continue to play up top? I understand he does a selfless job there but despite what Klopp says I really don't think he's a striker or ever will be.

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{Ed001's Note - to be fair, wasn't it Zouma he was up against? I can't remember now, but if it was, then he is very quick for a defender, or at least he was before suffering his own long term injury. The speed and acceleration are not there for Sturridge, that is true, sadly. Whether it will ever come back or not we will never know but he is having to adjust his game to cope. He was trying to drop off and pick up the ball, rather than look for the ball over the top. That should not be an issue the way we play, as Mane and Salah provide the pace for balls over the top, but he needs to adapt himself.

Firmino will continue up there, he is exactly what we need, a linkman. I have no idea why you think he is not a striker, not every player in that position is an out and out goalscorer. Players like Firmino are priceless, they attract defenders, create space and are always a threat.}

20 Aug 2017 05:25:13
It was Fosu Mensah Ed001. And yeah, Sturridge has lost his burst of acceleration but he is an intelligent footballer more than capable of adapting his game to Klopp's needs. The question is how long before he is totally comfortable playing a new style and whether he gets consistent enough game time to prove to Klopp he has a long term future at the club.


{Ed001's Note - TFM is very quick, so it is not that big a shock.}

20 Aug 2017 06:11:02
To be fair to Sturridge that was his first game back after injury and he usually seems to need 3-4 games to get up to speed.


20 Aug 2017 06:25:20
I agree with Ed1,Firmino does a great job up top and there isn't many strikers around who I would swap him for.


20 Aug 2017 07:02:53
What scared me was when Sturridge took one hell of a power shot which ballooned over. That is how he usually injures himself๐Ÿ˜… The sweet bit of footwork before the shot though shows he is still top class.
Think he will need to build a lot of confidence in his running ability to pick up speed again. Probably scared of hurting himself - so many fast players 'lose' pace after even just 1 leg injury, he has had a big series of injuries : (.


20 Aug 2017 07:31:33
Ed, the mentality of "only a striker can play up top" is typical and outdated English mentality. Spain won the Euros w/ o ever playing a CF. Their "CF's" were Silva and then Fabregas. Germany won the Confed Cup while playing a couple of times with Lars Stindl, a box to box midfielder (and a darn good one too) from Gladbach at CF.

Unfortunately, the English will never understand that the game has evolved and playing with a linkman as striker, prevents the CB's from marking him out. They are obliged to mark zonally as in, the spaces in front of them so when Firmino drops deep, Mane, Salah or Cou (hopefully) can dart into the spaces between the back line and go straight for goal. With the way we play, NO typical CF can play there bar maybe Lewandowski who knows Klopp's system and thrived in it and who for me, is the most complete CF on the planet. No other will fit.


{Ed001's Note - Mueller is also not a out and out striker.}

20 Aug 2017 07:55:10
Sturridge is playing smart. He is aware that his pace and agility are probably what cause him his muscle injuries, so he is adjusting his game a bit.
I saw it in pre season the day he got injured lobbing the keeper. He got away from the defender but the usual blast of pace wasn't there.
I think he is aware, as is Klopp, that once he has the ball he is a great finisher, so only has to create himself a yard or so of space.
Like End said, whether this is Sturridge easing himself back in after injury and we will see the pace return we will have to wait and see.


20 Aug 2017 08:58:44
Sturridge needs to reinvent himself.

Either into someone like Sheringham, or someone like Fowler.

Neither had great pace. It didn't matter. Like them, Sturridge can pass, and he can finish.


20 Aug 2017 09:47:25
Danny has to just become confident with his body and that will take time. its physical and mental with him. he believes in his own ability that is clear. once he realises kicking a ball won't hurt his foot he will be sound.


20 Aug 2017 09:55:11
Tigerxl that's a good shout.


21 Aug 2017 12:40:32
I agree Ed001, Bobby does a fantastic job up top and easily the best link up player we have. I'm not doubting his overall ability or value to our team. I'm questioning his ability to get the pig skin in the net, and I don't mean that in the sense that he can't finish, although that is an area of his game I think he needs work on. I mean it in the sense of his positioning, he doesn't seem to get into scoring positions for himself often enough, which I think is important whether your leading the line either directly or creatively. Again this wouldn't be an issue if he was belting them in from outside that box like that goal v Arsenal in his first year, but I don't think he pulls them goals out the hat very often. I hope he smashes 20+ this year though.


{Ed001's Note - he is not being asked to play that way though, so it is unfair that people keep criticising him for not scoring enough.}

21 Aug 2017 14:26:59
Fair enough ed001. Just wanted your thoughts either way. Cheers!


{Ed001's Note - no worries mate, just find it a bit galling that the lad is playing so well yet everyone still wants to change things. If it's not broke!}

20 Aug 2017 00:59:11
Hi Ed

Now before you say I'm looking for reasons to suggest Barcelona are tapping up, I'm not at all but am just curious as to what your honest take on the matter is.

If it's to be believed that the bid submitted yesterday was flatly rejected, for Barcelona to then return with an ultimatum that if we do not accept by Sunday the bid will be withdrawn, how is this not a form of tapping up the player?

The ultimatum is clearly directed at Coutinho with the aim of unsettling him further to force his way out of the club and if the bid was immediately rejected then there is no bid left to withdraw.

Either way, whether this is a perfectly legitimate negotiation strategy or not it's an underhand tactic and shouldn't be considered acceptable, I wonder what people would have to say if we made such 'ultimatums'.

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{Ed002's Note - It is Coutinho who has been courting Barcelona for more than a year.}

20 Aug 2017 06:19:31
Could it not be argued that VVD courted us? Of course not as we shouldn't have acted the way we did, Barcelona could have said no and like we should have walked away and spoke with the players club first, all a little bit of taste of our own medicine and definitely something we deserve but Barcelona are no better or worse than us in this matter regardless of any courting/ pimping out Couts has done.


20 Aug 2017 07:32:32
UL, we tapped up VVD, not the other way around and that is why we are here. Move on.


20 Aug 2017 00:14:25
Don't shoot messenger on this one. Been out tonight (I am abroad at a certain place frequented by a lot of footballers) friends of ours invited a friend along, who is involved in trying to get VVD to the club. He stressed he really is trying to get him to LFC but it's looking unlikely at the moment.

I hope he is wrong and the deal haappens (and it clearly sounds like they are trying to make it haopen) but it's by no means done from the convo I had. Please don't ask me to name names or where I am as I am seeing them again Tuesday, so will try to get more information then.

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20 Aug 2017 10:52:40
"He stressed he really is trying to get him to LFC but it's looking unlikely at the moment. "

Was his name Alan?


20 Aug 2017 22:06:53
Hi Ron. Pretty sure I said don't ask me to name names as I am hoping to get more info on Tuesday.


20 Aug 2017 00:08:32
Eds, If Barcelona sign Seri, as reported, would that end their persuit of Coutinho?
Although also reported Barcelona are lining up a ยฃ130 million bid for Pipco.

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{Ed002's Note - It would likely do that. His chance is now, not next year.}

20 Aug 2017 00:20:14
Cheers ed002.


20 Aug 2017 00:45:49
Barca will be back in for him next transfer window if they don't get him now, they are just desperate to force it now!


20 Aug 2017 07:34:28
They will not be signing him not only cos of FSG's stance. But for that spit in the face that they call a bid they sent in on Fri, For that alone, I would tell them to kick rocks.


20 Aug 2017 00:04:05
Spoke to Harko earlier, he reckons we'll sell Sakho to West Brom after they sell Evans. Both players just agreeing personal terms.

YNWA.

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20 Aug 2017 00:21:39
Will Sakho go though? He turned down WBA before and he wants to go back to London.


20 Aug 2017 01:37:12
Hope Sakho goes ASAP. We need to get players off the books including Markovic, Flanno, Wilson etc who are never going to get a look in under Klopp. The age bill does seem bloated with the number of players on the books right now.


20 Aug 2017 04:25:17
please don't tell me you are talking about Harry Wilson?


20 Aug 2017 04:50:48
Ya crazy horse, I'm talking about Harry Wilson. The kid's never going to get a chance under Klopp. Kent (who is ahead of Wilson in the pecking order) did not even make the bench against Palace. Half the bright young talents for the future that everyone claims will make valuable squad players or even first team players will be gone in the next 18 months. Even Grujic can't get a game under Klopp.
Better to get what we can for the likes of Wilson, Flanno and allow them to build their careers elsewhere.


20 Aug 2017 07:35:21
Flanno is available for transfer.


20 Aug 2017 08:46:58
Harry Wilson is injured and has been for most of the summer. Would you like Klopp to start playing injured players?


19 Aug 2017 23:43:14
Playing two out of Gini, Henderson and Can is never going to be a good idea.
Gini most effective at passing the ball to Cout or Lallana when they play.
Henderson most effective at pleasing english suporters who think he can play football from back to front when he is most effective at the opposite.
Can should be sold for as much as possible. He'll never fit into Klopps system.
I'd sell Henderson but 5 million from Brighton might not please all those who think he's some kind of world class player, who no one has ever enquired about.
Without Cout and Lallana, this is going to be a painful first half of the season unless the dopes who FSG think know something about transfers get magically replaced by the Southampton transfer committee who we really should nick so that we can buy players before they do.

PS If Henderson's first name was Jordano, he'd have been sold five years ago.

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20 Aug 2017 00:23:12
Some people spew garbage.


20 Aug 2017 00:28:14
You really should stay under that rock of yours.

Pathetic.


20 Aug 2017 00:34:39
Out of our 3 CM's you'd keep Gini?! Wow.


20 Aug 2017 00:43:50
That was pathetic.


20 Aug 2017 00:51:18
Love the ironic post, Joker. It is ironic, isn't it?


20 Aug 2017 00:58:57
You once said Lallana should be sold, now without him it'll be a bad season.

I understand the hatred towards Henderson; he didn't score that much, or assist that much, but come on, how long he has been out prior these games? And we just played two games.


20 Aug 2017 01:36:21
We get it u don't like Henderson. No need for the ps, doubt many will read the whole of your comment since its very clear to see early on u haven't a clue about footballers or their jobs/ abilities.


20 Aug 2017 01:55:15
Even Heath Ledger would be proud of this.


20 Aug 2017 04:11:20
In fairness he has a point. Henderson is useless and nothing but a headless chicken! I guess fergie was right ๐Ÿ‘€๐Ÿ–•.


{Ed001's Note - so you haven't got a clue about football then? Oh and in what possible way was Fergie connected to this, unless he said you were a moron who should never be allowed access to the internet? I hate when we get schoolkids on here, they embarrass themselves and are too stupid to understand.}

20 Aug 2017 05:02:49
Who is this muppet?


20 Aug 2017 05:20:55
More like who are those 3 muppets?
The OP is one and then we have 2 others who agreed with him. LOL.


20 Aug 2017 08:41:45
I agree with joker. don't rate him much for the position he plays. But what I don't get is that others ie: Moreno, Klavin, Can, Wji, Migs, can be slated but not him. Is he that good really?


 
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