Liverpool Banter Archive August 20 2013

 

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20 Aug 2013 23:43:01
FSG never had any intentions of buying willian I told you this last week.

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You should have told his agent

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He is like one of those people that always know everything. No matter what, they always have an answer for everything. Very irritating.

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And with that kind of outlook on life, they`re never wrong.

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20 Aug 2013 23:30:31
Roll on september 3rd!
YNWA Eds and Reds!

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Roll on March 5th

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20 Aug 2013 23:28:36
Evening eds.

+30m for a 2 time international who hardly scores and doesn't really have an end product. Let them have him. Would rather spend the money on 2 quality additions and let Sterling show what he's got. Suarez is very capable of playing wide left, he's become Uruguays top goal scorer playing there. If he stays of course.

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Morning Mr T

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21 Aug 2013 07:14:05
Mr. T.
Now all of a sudden Suarez has become very vital?
I wonder what we would have done hearing a lot of fans here and selling him to arsenal and we fail in brininging a replacement?
The Ed were pretty confident, we would sell him to any club and bring in reinfromcenet.?

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Harry.

Quite simply, the Suarez situation seems to have changed I.e. he seems to be staying. If he does stay then I would rather have a proven PL player on our LW who can score us 30 goals than an over priced Brazilian who let's be honest, nobody had really heard of 2 weeks ago. Yes everybody is pissed off with the whole Suarez buisness BUT if he plays and scores, then scores some more, he will be forgiven. Not forgotten, but forgiven.

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20 Aug 2013 23:27:12
Someone made a point before, that ok Willian has been seen in london, at heathrow airport, but there isn't any direct flights from russia to manchester or Liverpool or is he just going to Tottenham? Also a few sources saying if we do not get Willian we will start bidding for Leandro Damaio any truth in this Eds? {Ed002's Note - Try asking on Twitter.}

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Clutching at straws springs to mind

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Tell me how Damiao starts head of Sturridge? We re not going to spend 20m on a sub when we need a CB.

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20 Aug 2013 23:09:29
Hi ed's.

With Coates injured for about 12 months, do you see us going for a CB now (maybe Ilori?)? {Ed002's Note - Could sell a couple of youngsters to fund it?}

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Sorry ed, I don't get what you mean? {Ed002's Note - Why not give the youngsters a chance as fourth or fifth choice CB.}

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I think we will have a big problem at the back if Agger gets injured (longterm). Skrtel and Wisdom not good enough (yet in wisdom's case) to keep our defense solid. Kelly still needs to work on his fitness after his injury. I believe we need one solid CB.

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Kelly is back up RB and Brendan ideally wants to sell Skrtel & loan out Wisdom to a club who'll play him every week. Ilori now looks likely and AN Other if Skrtel moves.

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20 Aug 2013 23:03:41
Cmone on then Eds were do we go from here in terms of players and moving BR "philosophy" forward? We clearly need some more players both for squad and first elleven?! Can u see us brining anyone else in or do u think we have our team and that's our lot? And I have been reading the posts and search engine all day. Nothing gives me great belief tbh.

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They're working tirelessly behind the scenes. We can compete with anyone in the market.

Top four here we come

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Lol crunch, you have been cracking me up all evening.

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20 Aug 2013 23:00:43
Simple question after reading all the post is the William deal dead or is there a glimmer thanks ed {Ed002's Note - I have no idea how to quantify "glimmer".}

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Sorry ed question I'd the deal dead or not thanks to Liverpool {Ed002's Note - Unless Liverpool increase their offer there will not be any chance of a deal.}

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Dead as a dodo mate, the fact he is in london should be a clue

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20 Aug 2013 22:59:38
3 mil for a player in my opinion will make us a big force for the top 4, have we got the extra 3 mil available for the deal or do we have to sell or release wages first, or is it lfc refusing to go higher, sorry for first post mist out many thanks and great job you do for us fans

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It seems ridiculous. 3 million, I could understand over 5 but 3?

Surely we could get that for assaidi.

Obviously they don't want him enough, which is a real shame, since he wanted to join. let's hope saving that extra 3 million comes into good use in the next two weeks. Otherwise the FSG haters will be out in full force!

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21 Aug 2013 00:06:46
We don't think he's worth the extra 3 million, plain and simple

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If he really wanted to come he could have. Just because your club accepts a higher bid, doesn't mean to say you have to accept it. I'll admit, I've only seen the clips, but I can't see a lot of end result for all the step overs. Quite often, he's too slow with the right pass IMO

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Even if he wanted to come to us. Seeing that we are not paying the extra 3m for him will probably make him stay away from us.

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20 Aug 2013 22:47:08
been looking Liverpool on rumours site for about 3 years now and when get up in the morning check and soon as in from work and tonight thought sod register so here I am. willian when u say the club won't pay any more money are we talking 5-10 mil?also if he prefers lfc can he push for that move over spuds?

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20 Aug 2013 22:46:57
man city might bid for skrtel now as all their senior cbs (except lescott) are injured

although,
their first choice is pepe from real madrid @20-25m

if they fail to get pepe, they will bid 10-12m for skrtel

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20 Aug 2013 21:38:35
Hi eds. considering we have missed out on willian now, do you see any interest from Liverpool in Iker Muniain. If so, how much would we have to spend to land him?

Joe {Ed002's Note - Search engine please

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Don`t need him. He`s average at best.

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20 Aug 2013 21:36:09
now that it looks like we have missed out on Willian?
is there any chance we could make a move for Erik Lamela? roma look loke they are trying to get some money in and spurs who was better than us last year have signed some really good players so we need to close the gap with some top class players we have spent nothing yet in profit or is that what is going on we are still trying to bring money in?
thanks edds {Ed002's Note - Search engine please.}

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20 Aug 2013 21:33:29
Hi eds I no everyone is still hooked on this Willian news but just thought I would ask any interest in ganso? U no he moved to sao paulo not long ago like but could we still buy him?

Cheers {Ed002's Note - Sorry, but Ganso will not be moving to Liverpool.}

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Is he still playing?

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20 Aug 2013 20:51:11
Hi eds,
Just wondering (if willian was a target, and I believe he was) how on earth did we manage to lose out on him given that only last week he mentioned Liverpool as a place he'd like to go.
Assuming we miss out on him who do uou think we may turn to in a si.ilar position? {Ed002's Note - RTP.}

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20 Aug 2013 20:08:22
eds with mourinho saying they have plan b and c is it possible suarez might be one? {Ed002's Note - Not right now. Perhaps e or f.}

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20 Aug 2013 19:19:46
Hi Eds, just a quick question, with it looking like willian is signing for spurs (not the end of the world imo) which of the following do you feel is the most likely for us to approach Lamela, Turan, Yilmaz, surely we need one of these, personally I don't know much about them but have a good feeling about Yilmaz {Ed002's Note - "Most likely" is not something I can answer.}

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Well we may phantom bid on one of those. Turan is able to go and would choose us. He's able to leave for £20m so we'll bid £14m cause that's what us fans want. Bids. Bids on players of top quality but no money actually spent. {Ed002's Note - That is simply not true.}

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What does everyone think will happen first, a LFC bid for Messi or a constructive post from Crunch?

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Crunch- Turan has a 25m buy out clause which has to be met before we can talk to him. All of the 'he is a fan. ' stuff makes no difference. Yes he wants a move to the EPL but I would also expect him to want a champs league club. If no one else went in for him then I reckon we have an excellent chance but Arsenal were also looking and are getting desperate!

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20 Aug 2013 19:17:41
eds do u have any possible targets we have when willian (im assuming) will go to spurs. and also have we any chance of getting damaio? cheers {Ed002's Note - Why not give reading the posts a try?}

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20 Aug 2013 22:52:43
Willian will sign for Liverpool and not spurs he did arrive in London of a flight today but reports from his agent says he will be travelling to Liverpool tomorrow this is my 1st post and use can slate me for this if it doesn't happen but guarantee it will.

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Hope your right mate! Can't see it if I'm honest

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If he signs, lfc got their man at the price they`re willing to pay. If not, then he was not worth the extra cash. Simple as that. We`ll see.

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20 Aug 2013 22:41:23
I think we will sign Willian and here's why. It's universally agreed that we would sell Suarez at a lower price to a foreign club to avoid strengthening a rival. Applying the same logic to our purchases, we should be willing to pay a little more for Willian to avoid strengthening Spurs than if we were in a two horse race for his signature with a foreign club. Also, if you take Macca's info to be accurate, which I do, we are talking about a figure of 3 million. Everything is relative, so if we guess that the total contract will cost in the region of £60 million for a 4 year contract, we're only looking at 5 percent more. I honestly think we will meet the valuation and sign him.

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20 Aug 2013 22:40:26
hummels and dzagoev in, skrtel out, and that's it. now stop crying over willian.

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'it was really nothing'

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20 Aug 2013 22:17:53
Eds, I see Gianluca Di Marzio saying Liverpool are now interested in Lamela. Obviously he would be a great addition but I understand his representatives are in London talking to Spurs. Do you know anything regarding new interest in Lamela? I was wondering what fellow reds would think of a bid for el shaaraway? He would be fantastic and he is better than willian anyway! thoughts? [keep in mind this is just banter, I'm not claiming he would ever come anyway] {Ed002's Note - See earlier answers.}

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20 Aug 2013 23:09:18
going to spurs unless they blow it? I understand their is a £5mill valuation differance at the min!

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20 Aug 2013 22:08:27
Hey Eds not saying we have interest in Lamela but if u had to choose him or Willian who would you choose.

Also just got to say been watching Jamie on sky and him an Gary are unbelievable. Got to say Gary really know what he's talking about.

Thanks {Ed001's Note - Lamela would be my choice.}

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Ed. do we stand anything close to a good chance of him? {Ed002's Note - Liverpool enquired with his agent to see if there might be a chance of a deal. Roma has taken the chance to strike a deal to close out remaining issues but are in a position where they do not need to sell. REgardless, Manchester United were interested before he left River Plate. Manchester City have been looking at him this season and are looking for talks after putting two offers on the table. Baldini said he would like to work with him again but there is little more than a slim chance of a move to Spurs or Southampton, who both enquired, but Spurs continue to look for meaningful discussion. Roma are also resisting interest from Napoli, Monaco, and PSG, although both Napoli and Monaco think they may be able to attract Roma's attention with a significant bid - and Roma has started to look at a player who would coming in as a replacement. An English club that were interested and stepped away because of the complex ownership & work permit issues, is again looking at the situation. Liverpool has made a general enquiry to his agent. The player is high maintenance.}

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20 Aug 2013 23:28:17
Hey ed001 was this lamela enquiry recent and what do you mean by high maintneance, does he have attitude issues?
Thanks {Ed002's Note - Within the past 10 days.}

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20 Aug 2013 22:07:48
Hi ED would like to thank you for this site .


Liverpool believe Roma's £30 million valuation of Lamela is too high. What is becoming increasingly clear during this transfer window is that LFC do not have the resources to compete with anyone.


What do you think of this? {Ed001's Note - it is something we have known all along, we need a bigger stadium if we are to compete on an even footing.}

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Really? Wow. Embarrassing.
FSG bought a Ferrari and can't afford the petrol.

Thought their spokesperson Werner said we could compete with anyone? Did he mean no one? {Ed002's Note - I have explained repeatedly what the situation is.}

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I`m not so sure he`s worth that much to begin with.

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21 aug 2013 00:15:13
the owner's money is not our money!
sorry, but people don't seem to understand this most important point

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It's not our money correct. But people shouldn't buy something like one of the worlds best know football club and expect to win titles and expect CL football etc and then treat it like its mid range.
Would you expect Madrid Man U Munich Barca to miss there targets A B and then C by £3m?
We were in Europe when they arrived. We don't now and were not getting the players to take us back.

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20 Aug 2013 22:07:44
Looks like Coates is going to be out injured for a bit.

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20 Aug 2013 22:05:58
Hi Eds couple of questions just cause I'm bored mate haha.

Would you personally match spurs bid for William if you was in Ayres shoes?

And who would you have in your starting 11 with Gerard & Lucas, Allen or Hendo? {Ed001's Note - no, from what I have seen he has great skill but absolutely not end product. I haven't seen anything worth paying over the odds for, not when we have a number of players in the youth system who can offer a similar option, such as Ibe. I am biased though, as I like to see youth players given the chance, rather than buying players in.
Personally I would go with Henderson, I like him as a player. I rated him before we bought him, was disappointed in his first season, he was clearly not playing to the best of his ability. Last season he grew as the season went on, winning his place back seemed to be the catalyst for him to grow into the side. I like his versatility as well, he allows us to play a midfield 3 or 4, depending on how the game goes. Allen, on the other hand, only plays one way.}

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Top post, ed! {Ed002's Note - The reason that Chelsea did not push for a deal when he was at SD was someone stepping in and saying that for such a direct player his return in terms of goals and assists was not good enough.}

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Really? in his whole career he has 40 goals and 71 assists in 258 games

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GuvTOB - that means statistcally, at least every 3 games he provides no assists or goals. Also in not the best leagues

Is that good enough for 30m+?

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20 Aug 2013 22:03:27
Not a rumour but just read on ssn that Coates to undergo surgery on a cruciate ligament. This to be done in Uruguay report Uruguay FA. No comment from LFC? Seems strange. Is this why we are renewing interest in Llori?

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20 Aug 2013 22:01:26
Having read most of today's post about Willan, wasting money on dowining and Carroll etc. I have come to the conclusion that most LFC fans so blindly support the club that they consider it heresy to question anything about the club!
Simple: We, at the moment, do not have the quality to sustain (Sustain) a challenge for the top4. Our squad is still thin on quality (this will become brutally clear this season whether we like it or not) and 'quality' investment is urgently needed.
We bemoan that teams ask too much for player that are out target yet will accept anything less than 60M for Suarez!
I'm extremely confused and worried. FSG must make a statement of intent. YNWA

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Hope they make a statement that doesn't end up to be BS.

We have money don't worry. We can compete with anyone in the market. We will do all we can to secure our targets. We support the manger if there is a player who he wants we'll do all we can. Blah blah blah blah blah.

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U`re just moaning for no reason sude. So lfc is in the tank because they wouldn`t by a "marquee" signing (what ever the FSG that means) or a player YOU would like at whatever price? Laughable at best. We will see at the end of the season. I want good players who will strengthen the team and make us better and not "marquee" signings will not be effective. Torres, Masch, Pepe, Xabi, Hyppia, Lucas, Sturridge, Agger, Coutinho owe their world class or next to world class status to lfc, FACT. Some of them were rotting away on the bench or the reserves until we came for them and gave them their careers back. We need GOOD players at whatever price not ANY player at ANY price.

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20 Aug 2013 22:37:34
if Macca is right and we won't pay the 3 mill more its ridiculous wats is ayre thinking just pay it ffor god sakes

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20 Aug 2013 23:01:50
You're right. We talk about 3 million. For god sake, pay that damm money and get the player. We are a laughing stock!

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Would you pay over the odds for anything you purchased from the shop mate? I doubt you would - you'd probably look elsewhere or buy something else, right?

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The staff will get the players they think we need at the price they think is fair. If some of us are so keen to get them, then please they should contribute and pay the difference.

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Tell you what lads, just give me £3 million quid as you obviously think it's an insignificant amount of money.

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If I had just come back from the gym dying of thirst and with no water I'd probably buy some water instead of waiting till I got home. Such a bad analogy!

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21 Aug 2013 00:59:24
But we're not dying of thirst any more, just a little thirsty. Would you spend 90p in the gym, when there's a shop across the road that sells some for 60p?

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20 Aug 2013 22:30:45
Very frustrated with the whole William situation. It's alright peeps saying its not a big loss and there is other players out there but let's get real there is just 11 days of the transfer window left and I can't see us bring anyone else in at all. We ain't interested in the likes of erikson, lamela, Damian etc etc let's face it we will have to work with what we have got and that simply isn't good enough to challenge for the tope 4! let's get realistic

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20 Aug 2013 22:22:12
i can not believe that we aren't going to sign willian itis getting beyond a joke with losing out to spurs on all our transfer targets also why isit they can afford to spend more than us very angry I can defo say we will not make top 4 this season or next or any other as long as we keep losing to spurs

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You do know that a player has the right to choose where he plays his football and nothing you whine and bitch about can/will change that.

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20 Aug 2013 21:56:10
come on with Aly Cissokho joining and what Aggers said today all you want to do is complain about the people who don't want to play for us?, how about putting that much into the ones who do?

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Good post fella

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20 Aug 2013 20:24:48
Hey eds, just to change the mood from willian a little. When commoli was sacked two years ago, you guys said you suspected there was a sinister reason for his sacking and that you would say what it was a few years later. Could now be the time to say?
Thanks {Ed002's Note - No it isn't.}

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20 Aug 2013 20:17:53
Hi Ed02,
will Liverpool try to sign another striker this window if Luis Suarez doesn't leave? Sorry to hear that Willian will probably go somewhere else. Are we still looking to sign new players? If so, what positions are we talking about? thank you for your time and all your hard work. {Ed002's Note - I suspect that a CB will be looked at if anyone aside Coates leaves, and I suspect a foward will still be looked at - but the right player at the right price, not just for the hell of buying.}

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Top response, ed

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20 Aug 2013 21:49:41
Hi eds how's it going I know I've been posting a lot today but please could u answer me this.

If spurs offers more than us to the club but we offer more wages to the player who would then make the decision?
Would it be club because they want more money.
Or would it be player because he wants more wages.
Thanks guys. {Ed001's Note - if you don't agree a fee with the club, then the player doesn't get the option to choose to join.}

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20 Aug 2013 21:47:57
With all the Internationals last week and Liverpool luck, I thought we had got away with any injuries.
But today reports, Coates out for long period with cruicate ligament tear when playing for Uraguay

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20 Aug 2013 21:46:43
This what Tony Barrett had to say!

There is money available to Rodgers but he appears hampered by the desire of Fenway Sports Group (FSG), the club`s owners, to ensure that Liverpool do not pay more than they believe a player is worth. It is a noble and financially astute aim, but top level football is dismissive of it and the reality they are discovering is that if you don't want to pay the asking price for a player the liklihood is that there will be someone else who does.

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He`s not teaching anyone anything new. He doesn`t run Liverpool either so he can keep his opinions to himself because nobody cares. Dortmund is a good example of how not over-paying for a player and staying within your budget can make you competitive.

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That pretty much sums up our transfer window this summer.

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Dortmund though pays that little extra to get the player they want. See Mikey.

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20 Aug 2013 21:41:27
Allen, Sahin, Borini, Sturridge, Coutinho, Toure, Aspas, Alberto, Assaidi, Yesil, Mignolet, Cissokho. all Rogers signings since he arrived.

All in all I would say damn good signings. The scouting system and process that LFC are now using looks good to me. They are tough on negotiations and won't pay over the odds for anybody. They set their target and if the selling club start upping the anti, they walk away. Sounds OK to me, I would do the same.

The handling of Suarez situation was particularly well handled by BR. Onwards and upwards lads, we have started our journey now

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Top post. The club has a strategy and will not deviate from it EXCEPT if that player is worth it (HM, Costa, WIllian?) Good on them.

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Agreed. Good to see positive posts amongst the negativity on here.

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20 Aug 2013 21:40:55
now we're probably not signing Willian, even though our bid was never likely to stand up against other offers, I'm jumping on the 'never wanted him anyway' bandwagon.

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20 Aug 2013 21:38:21
Even if we don't sign Willian there still an abundance of alternatives out there.

Turan.
Damaio.
Eriksen.

To be honest not many of us have seen him play that much. We've set a valuation for a player and are sticking by it. If he does go to Tottenham then fair enough that's football. I'm confident we will still sign a quality player before the window shuts.

I'm not even saying we'll sign any of the above, but there's plenty of other players around.

Plus he hasn't even signed for them yet.

Jonesred

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Clone jones we ain't interested in any of those Hollywood names.we will have to stick to what we have imo

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I reckon there is 99.9% chance of none of those players joining.
I think if willian doesn't sign the club will say that's enough for this year and stick with what we have until more suitable targets are available next window.

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20 Aug 2013 21:26:52
I understand some people believing William has chosen spurs over us but he hasn't as we aren't willing to pay what spurs have offered so the lad didn't have a choice to make, the fact of this is, if lfc don't think he is worth 30 million then we should respect that and move on, as we all know in the past we have paid hugely over the odds for players and been ripped off, to me this just goes to show our owners are stronger and wiser now over transfers and we will only pay what we feel is right but in all honesty I can understand how some people are seeing this as the owners not willing to pay big money but I really believe this is not the case and they are just sticking to their principles, rightly or wrongly we shouldn't argue with that

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20 Aug 2013 22:30:35
If Macca is to believed, and he is usually right, there is a £3m difference in valuation. Considering the sums of money involved it seems odd that we would let a target slip through because of that.

unless of course we actually do have a transfer budget, and a strict one at that.

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Suspect that the owners wanted to avoid any sort of significant net outlay this summer. So far so good.

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20 Aug 2013 21:17:12
I know this isn't LFC related (well it is sort of) but sky Italia are reporting that real madrid have agreed a fee with spurs for bale for £84 million plus fabio contraoe, this might explain all the splash the cash for willian and lamela! p.s NO WAY is bale worth that much, and suarez only £50 mill? what is this world coming to

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Obviously players valuation is more what they are worth to the club buying and selling, but I'm still amazed the bid £80m and even more so it was rejected! How is he worth that much! Looks like spurs will get more than united did for Ronaldo (who at that point was the best player in the world, won golden boot twice, ballon d'or winner, near enough single handedly win united two league titles and a champions league, proven at the highest level, and had done it near enough every game for two seasons. all of which bale hasn't). Amazed they have to bid more than what they did and just don't see how bale is worth that much. Everyone has their opinion but even as a Liverpool fan I know just how good Ronaldo was when he left and I just don't see bale at that level seeing as when he lift he was the same age bale was now, but miles ahead. But fair play to spurs and levy for getting that much, if he does go to real than best of luck to bale don't think you're Ronaldo's level or will ever be but you are a great player and will hopefully spice up la liga

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On the upside I bought a loaf of bread reduced at a well known supermarket last night and its still pretty fresh.

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20 Aug 2013 21:16:27
Once, just once I would like LFC to pay the bloody asking price for a player. We try and get everyone on the cheap and what happens next? We get out bid, made to look cheap, don't have an offer accepted, don't get to even speak to the player and lose out. Rodgers was rightly annoyed that he didn't get to speak to MK and said he felt he could have convinced him to join if he did, well the way to do that mate is to have a bloody bid accepted. {Ed001's Note - we did that with Carroll.}

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BigDud,

Carroll, Downing, Henderson etc. Sound familiar?

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Are you really comparing the Carroll buy with anything else?
Did anyone in this world or any other galaxy thought Carroll worth more than 20m?
Probably only Comolli, Kenny and at the time the ignorant owners thought it was money spend wisely.
Please stop bringing Carroll's example it is not the same thing. We far far far overpaid for Carroll and everybody knew it. {Ed001's Note - we paid the asking price, so the example is a good one as it matched what the OP put. Perhaps you might want to stop trying to be a smartarse and read the posts properly, rather than jumping in and just being an arse.}

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If you don't learn a lesson from trusting somebody with 150m of your reddies, and them pretty much wasting the lot, you seriously need your head seeing to.

Remember Leeds Utd?

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I know that players like Downing, Carroll and Henderson were clearly too expensive - but that was Dalglish and Comolli who really messed up. It's clear that we need a bit of quality added, especially on the left so I think they should maybe overspend on one or two players every now and again. Everyone has to pay over the odds if they want a very sought after player - it's usually because they are very good! Top 4 is a big ask for Rodgers with what he is allowed to spend tbh, think we'll be closer but things really have to go well.

There arn't always bargains around with the quality of Coutinho too often.

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Carroll - £35m - sold for £19m
Suarez £22m
Torres £21.5m - sold for £50m
Downing - £20m - sold for £5m
Keane - £19m - sold for £12m
Mascherano £18m - sold for £20m
Aquilani - £17m - sold for £5m
Henderson - £17m

2 players remain at our club and only a further 2 were sold for profit. We nearly went into administration due to bad buys. Let's buy sensibly and sell for profit when we have gotten most out of players.

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The real AG, with your post you proved my point so thank you(even with the name calling) wether or not we over payed for those players is irrelevant, the point is we payed the asking price and got them didn't we? If we won't pay what clubs ask for then we won't get anywhere and will constantly have to rely on unproven talent, surely you understand that?

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Paying whatever the selling club asks all the time will only eventually bankrupt the club.
Also every time Liverpool go to buy someone the selling club will just inflate the price because they know Liverpool will just pay it to keep moronic fans like you happy.

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No your point is royally debunked, jud. "Just paying the fee" is wrongest way of doing business because what you`re saying is that we should skip the negotiations part of the process and pay up. You my friend will be out of business in a week with such a business practice. AG`s point is also well-proven in the sense that those who did exactly what you are saying have since been FIRED.

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Oh redohio if someone offers 25 mil for Suarez we should say oh go on then because that's the right way to do business. A load of bull. If a club has a price for a player then you pay it whether you agree with it or not. Hence our situation with Luis.

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20 Aug 2013 21:10:26
Why do spurs always seem to hijack our transfers, has spurs suddenly become a big club?

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Stop embarrassing yourself. Willian has been a long term target of Spurs.

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No. They're a club likely to get a nice windfall though.

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They have had long term intrest in him mate, much longer term than us so if anything we tried to hijack spurs.

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The whole "have spurs suddenly become a big club" thing is starting to annoy me. Yes we have a bigger fan base than them, yes our trophy cabinet is much larger, but they have been doing their talking on the field the past few years when we haven't. We are challenging for the same league positions, so naturally we will be in for the same players quite often. We are better then resorting to name-calling because they are piping us to players.

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20 Aug 2013 20:50:22
are we the only team in England who have missed out on targets? NO
mancs
arsenal etc.
as ally said when he signed today
its a honour to play for a legendry club.
there the type of players I want,
players underrated with quality and
a point to prove rather than money
hungry players who don't care about a
club.

as for loans I think this is a smart move,
try before you buy, rather than buy and find out you have bought a banger

you pay over the odds for a players history not his future, his future with our great club is priceless and I am happy to wait and see

keep up the good work eds
ynwa

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When you can`t compete with the big boys yet, you have to smart hence the loans. It`s like when you test drive car b4 u buy it. And as for missing out, man u and arsenal in all their glory, cannot sign a soul because NOBODY wants to play for them. We have signed 5 players of which 3 have added value to the team as of the last game. It`s all about value for your money.

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20 Aug 2013 20:49:03
How official is this Willian going to Tottenham rumours? Has anyone seen him in london or has anyone at the club confirmed it?
Until I see him holding the shirt, then I will believe it. Remember past year we had "definitely" signed Dempsey and Siggurdson according to some of the main media outlets last year but that never happened did it.
Personally i'm not that bothered. It would be nice but i'm happy with what we have.

Cheers

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I have walked around West London quite a bit today, but havn't seen him.

Don't worry, I'll head off to North London now for a quick late night search.

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20 Aug 2013 20:42:41
We should sign Will Hughes because his middle name is Ian.
Is that Will Ian enough for you?
Get over it.
Rigsby.

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Hahah!

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Nice spot that mate haha

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Shocking Joke

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20 Aug 2013 20:35:07
Can't say I'm gutted about Willian, because if I'm honest until last week I'd never heard of him and as someone pointed out Spurs where after him last year. Ok Spurs spending a lot of money which counts for nothing look at Sigurdsson and Dempsey, think we dodged a bullet there and we ended up with Coutinho and Sturridge thank you Spurs. Last season I was never BR's biggest fan but "yanno what" the man actually seems to know what he is doing, made up with the signings so far, so (and I can't believe I'm saying this, after my views last season) let's just have some faith as much as I hate to admit it the people at the club know a lot more about what's really going on that I do.

Dav

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No .think we've been led up the garden path once again.

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I`ll take studge and cout (and players like that) anyday.

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20 Aug 2013 20:30:00
do you think Liverpool will sign anyone else

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20 Aug 2013 21:48:55
Alexander Kokorin?

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20 Aug 2013 20:25:45
I get very little info but something is going on with LFC
The player is on Merseyside.
He is white, light coloured and very short hair, tall, big build, mid European / Russian
Do not know the name yet.
No bull.
Appears in late stages

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Skrtel ;)

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He is a plumber of polish origin brought in by the club to fix the sink that ayre booted off the wall after "missing out" to spurs over willian.

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Is it Dolph Lungren?

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Lol mikey

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You know what, it could have been Skirtel
My source knows nothing about football but 'knows' some 'deal' is about to be done regarding LFC, seeing the player with his agent.
I just thought it was an in.

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Aly Cissokho

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20 Aug 2013 20:21:11
So Macca claimed the club were confident we were getting Willian, and he's very rarely wrong. So let's just see how it plays out, the media are not always right and sometimes stories get put out there to 'speed' up negotiations or make a club show their hand. One things for sure we are LFC and we will always move on. {Ed001's Note - at that point Spurs hadn't made any kind of move. Willian's agent was merely hopeful they would enter the fray.}

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He is going to Spurs mate.

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To be fair, I believe he said the club was confident Willian would sign, which is probably still true. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your thoughts of the player), he can't sign for us if a bid is not accepted by Anzhi.

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20 Aug 2013 20:20:42
Glad Willian won't sign, he clearly isn't worth £30 million and we need a CB before anything.

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We do not need a CB we have plenty of good options already, unless Coates & Skrtel both leave then were OK.

Toure_Agger
Wisdom_Skrtel
Kelly_Coates
Sama_Jones

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Why do we need a CB before anything? Will you bench Agger? And after saturday's performance Toure? Did you sell Skrtel?
No we need the versatile big name in the midfield to have a go at 4th position. The CB will be for a cover/competition.

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Coates in seriously injured. (knee) so I think we can rule out his sale in this window.

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20 Aug 2013 20:18:37
Why are people complaining at the loss of one of our targets?

We have at least 2 decent players in each position of the team, especially up front. Now that the defense is sorted, and given Skrtel doesn't leave, we are strong there too. Suarez is probably not leaving, and may give his all like he did last season, maybe on a renewed contract. I think Rodgers is trying to add flair to the front, so that in case Suarez does indeed leave, there is some protection. People need to stop fantasizing about the transfers anyway, because we are not on Football manager.

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20 Aug 2013 20:15:39
Do you think the Willian situation is similar to the Nuri Sahin situation? Do you recall when he dead on going to Arsenal, all the press etc were saying it too. Then we were front runners and got him. I mean Macca said approx 24 hours ago we were confident of landing him. No official reports as of yet, a lot of press merely jumping on the band wagon or am I clutching at straws?

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You are clutching at straws.

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20 Aug 2013 20:02:48
I know everyone is feeling a bit bitter about the potential Willian to Spurs move so just thought I'd provide something to mull over.

Some of our more recent shall we say "Marquee" signings have been catastrophic to say the least. Yes Willian good player, but give me a player similar to the likes of Sturridge and Coutinho both bought for two thirds of the quoted £30million combined and I'd take that any day of the week.

For all the those spitting their dummies out I'd just like to point out that players don't have to cost £25million plus to be able to add quality to our starting 11. There are gems out there to be discovered. Look at Michu last season as well. Who would have called that?

Have some optimism for Christ sake.

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It's not about a marquee signing, it's the fact he's a really good player. We spent 20 mil on Downing and a lot of people wernt happy myself included. Not always about fee and so called marquee label.

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I do agree CC that on the face of things he does look a player, but no one can say for sure that there is no risk involved. £30m on a player only capped twice for his country at 25 could prove a massive error especially considering the fact that he doesn't score many goals. Its a risk which we can no longer afford because of the balls ups Rafa made at the end of his reign spending £20m on Aquilani and then KKs £75m spree on Carroll, Downing and Henderson. Just think we need to be careful opposed to throwing money around just so we don't lose face over Spurs.

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20 Aug 2013 19:55:57
So all the bitching starts about yet another target choosing Spurs over Liverpool.
What a load of cobblers.
Good luck to Spurs with who they sign. Fair play to them but personally I am not bothered because their best player is leaving and there is no guarantee that the players they have signed will be able to fill the void of possibly the best player in the league last year (bar Luis).
They have signed some well known names and undoubtedly some good payers but time will tell if it improves them all weakens them by not having Bale.
Also there are plenty more fish in the sea and as I said yesterday. I only want players who are desperate to pull on that red shirt. Willian obviously was not in that category.
He will probably sign tomorrow now having said all that!

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Agreed.

They have to spend like a drunken sailor to justify the sale of Bale.

For all their spending, I suspect they will still finish below City, United and Chelsea.

If we tighten up our defending, we can challenge them for 4th without adding anyone else.

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20 Aug 2013 19:48:01
If eds001 around? Not entirely sure what targets we have really missed out on this summer but according to media & some of guys on here we missed out on mickey, bernard, costa & seems like willian & god knows how many more we ain't heard about, my question is are you concerned that lfc don't have the 'pull' we used to? We seem to be a bit of a feeder club at the minute. I.e torres mascherano & now suarez use to put there names out there then when the boat starts to rock wanna jump ship. Now I understand a footballers career not a life time but just concerns me a little we are becoming a club that makes stars then have to watch them leave instead of buying the stars & see them commit. But hey only my opinion on the matter & hopefully be an exciting end if transfer window & a succesful season ahead.
gr8 wrk guys & gals. {Ed001's Note - not in the slightest concerned, we got Cissokho despite his club not wanting any move but a permanent deal purely because the lad was desperate to join us. You can't expect every player out there to be desperate to play for us, but clearly plenty still are.}

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20 Aug 2013 19:46:59
IMO Eric lamela is a better player than willian also that he is just 21.

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I agree. Lamela is an outstanding player. I am surprised some of the bigger teams haven't shown an interest now that Roma want the cash.

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He is I agree. He's off to Spurs too.

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20 Aug 2013 19:45:24
Chance of Willian having dinner at Lucas' home right now before deciding where he want's to go?
Liverpool Bid already accepted. Spurs can bid higher if they like but LFC already have access to talk to the player. It would be up to the player where he wants to go.

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Clutching at straws mate.

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You're making the assumption that our bid was accepted.

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Pass the straws

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Hes in park lane london, not north Liverpool!

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20 Aug 2013 19:44:48
its a pity it looks like willian is choosing spurs but let's face it we're not the only club who hasn't been able to get a player we are interested in this season, man u couldn't get thiago or cesc, city lost out on isco, arsenal can't get anyone and these are teams who can offer champs league. I'm happy to see we're at least trying to get players of that quality, there are other players out there just as good as willian and some of them probably significantly cheaper as well so let's see if we go in for someone else, still 2 weeks to go :)

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20 Aug 2013 19:44:41
Absolutely over the moon that we are not signing Willian.

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20 Aug 2013 19:43:53
Just looked at the pic of willian at health row terminal1 and it said on the caption a pic of willian on his way to Liverpool. Seems unlikely but I remember when sky suspended betting on phil jones coming to us and then he turned up at it'd. Would love everyone to be wrong.

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20 Aug 2013 19:40:28
Hi all, addicted to the site as ever, eds keep it up your all doing an excellent job. Just want to hear everyone's reaction to the willian deal and him likely going to spurs, can't understand why we can't tie up a deal for a marquee signing, firstly henrick m now willian, there's obviously something wrong, same with the Dempsey and he was hardly a marquee signing, just really annoyed and frustrated, I'm holding out hope but lookin this is another case of the 1 that got away? P.s spurs are really beginning to get to me with this copying!

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20 Aug 2013 19:34:23
It seems like everyone has spud envy at the moment! Who cares who they sign let's focus on our team. Last year everyone banged on about losing Dempsey, siggurdson etc and look how they turned out. Let the spuds pay all this money for players who aren't proven and could fail dismally. Just remember we got continho for 8.5 mill. Say no more. Come on Brenda show us all what you can do. I love LFC and always will. P.s. agger is legend for his comments

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Yes. Good point. We have Alberto sod Spurs.
Top four here we come

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20 Aug 2013 19:28:20
Hi eds why is it we can't attract top players no wonder players want to leave.Fsg need to step up their game every top player were interested in seems to go somewhere else ie the latest being Willian . When players want to go to spurs instead of us its worrying. A couple of years ago these players wouldn't entertain spurs now their buying top players for fun. What's up are we bad wage payers or is the famous LFC just not an attractive team no more . If we want champions league again we need to splash cash and get quality in and stop spending daft money on players for the future because at this rate are future will be bleake . Every time were linked with a decent player and another team is in for them they always opt for the other team . I seriously think there's something wrong at Liverpool at the moment and it scares me,,, we don't want to end up like Newcastle one minute their challenging for title and next a middle table team at best,, that's no disrespect for ncastle but since they challenged for title under keegan they done nowt and league wise we done nowt since coming second and I think that was 2009 c'mon. Fsg get a grip,, or is BR not the big appeal

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20 Aug 2013 19:21:38
I want too feel positive about this season but I can't help thinking we haven't done enough business YET, to get us where this club needs to be again! I feel the signings we have made are only replacements for players who have already left and I'm unsure weather these players are actually any better too?!?

Kolo toure- carragher
Luis Alberto- shelvey
Iago aspas- downing
Mignolet- reina

I still feel the club needs to sign some real quality. The willian signing would have been a great step but we have seemed to have failed in that bid. Hopefully with sometime still left in the transfer window, the club will add one or two quality players that will actually lift the club and put us in a better position too compete with clubs that are finishing above us season after season.

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20 Aug 2013 19:21:40
Liverpool desperately lowering the wage bill to meet ffp rules surely spurs will be struggling to meet these rules soon? or are they a rich club?. Sorry for my ignorance eds but would love to see you reply {Ed001's Note - they have a decent amount of money, certainly not short of a bob or two are Spurs.}

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Well I think that's all d bale money they're spending

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They'll get top four spot and CL football so plenty of income to cover this.

Don't worry about Spurs. We'll be back. soon. 3-4yrs something like that. Then we can laugh it up.

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20 Aug 2013 19:05:42
Lets go for Sanchez, Lamela, Eriksen, Muriel or Damiao. Spurs can't sign them all. Or can they?

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Yep. All Spurs players. Hear we're looking at some kid from Crewe and Will Hughes
Top four here we come

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20 Aug 2013 19:03:36
Optimistic whether we sign more players or not. Suso looked great for Almeria the other night, we have youngsters who can play on the wing, and we have competition for places. Perhaps the one position we need more
Is another versatile striker/winger. Don't think Damaio fits that description, seems like a pure poacher to
Me.

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Suso looking great does not help the push for CL 2013/14 though

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20 Aug 2013 18:57:47
fellow reds, would you rather have Arda turan or Erikson and papa for around 30 m or Willian? my choice would be Erikson and Papa, cheers ant

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I like them all and would be happy if any signed but I'd go for erik and papa.

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Eriksen doesn't want to come to Liverpool, so isn't an option

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Turan and Alderweild

Or any of your choices

Or just anyone please

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20 Aug 2013 18:51:30
Tottenham are going to have a serious strong squad this season I think. Bit susceptible at the back though. I like what Brandon is trying to do. It is not healthy missing out on so many targets though, that said I believe so far we have done good business in the transfer window. Getting rid of the overpaid deadwood has been brilliant and I am optimistic for the coming season. I do not want to see my club in bidding wars with other teams and overpaying massively for players. Signing up and coming players is the answer for Liverpool at the moment. Less wages and smaller fees. Buy 3 players with money anzhi wanted in my opinion. Brendon's bought brilliant with lower fees if you discount his first window allen etc. but he could come good. He is young. let's get behind our team and stop worrying about other teams. All this Tottenham signing our players is rubbish. They wanted him first and besides he was never ours.
In Brendon I trust
YNWA
Redwin

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Goodbye Gareth

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20 Aug 2013 18:57:47
Liverpool netto 0 Tottenham waitrose 1

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Brilliant!

They'll come. 5th and we will win the FA cup and come 4th

In netto we trust!

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Lets see if Spurs win anything first shall we.

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How about the race to sign Willian, Siguardsson, van der vaart, Dempsey, soldado etc etc

Won those

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20 Aug 2013 18:40:26
Any chance of us stealing Lamala from the spuds? It's not fair that they can have Lamala and Willian!

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Totally agree who can I complain to! It's so unfair!

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No chance. They cost money for a start. FSG have bought a Ferrari and can't afford the petrol

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20 Aug 2013 18:55:55
Hi eds, will spurs really outdo us or s this all paper talk, I thought he told Lucas he wanted to come to us in a rumour, and if he doesn't is this a trend starting that big names don't value s as a big time anymore {Ed001's Note - we haven't met the asking price, Spurs have, nothing to do with being outdone, we simply don't value him as highly as them.}

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20 Aug 2013 18:37:20
Ed001 who would you like to see come in for the left apart from Willian? Can only really think of Turan as a viable option. {Ed001's Note - to be honest I would be happy to see us continue with the way we played at the weekend. With Coutinho, Aspas, Sturridge and Henderson interchanging constantly, rather than an out and out winger. When one is needed, to change a game late on, I would like to see Ibe given his head.}

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Was good weekend with that formation and still have Saurez who will play, and then have Borini Ibe Alberto Sterling :-)

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Fair shout ed just feel like we might be short on goals I'm paranoid about injuries. {Ed001's Note - that is why I feel it was a mistake to loan out Suso, in the short term anyway. Long term it will do the lad good to get regular footie.}

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Love Suso hope his career at Liverpool doesn't wither out! Like you say be good for him long term.

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20 Aug 2013 18:50:52
Eds do you know of any interest in wingers now it seems that Willian is out of reach? Or is it again just a waiting game to see who's next if anyone {Ed001's Note - waiting game again to see who we go for.}

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The main thing is Liverpool are trying to sign a 'marquee' signing. It would be far more worrying if efforts were not being made to bring in a decent player. I do think it's going to be at the expense of Suarez though.

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20 Aug 2013 18:35:21
Bit gutted about missing out on Willian, but if we bring in Damiao or Turan who are the touted back ups I could actually see it working out better for us.

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20 Aug 2013 18:32:37
Eds Is there any serious recent interest at all from Liverpool for Arda Turan?
Arda Turan is a LFC fan
Arda Turan wants to wear the LFC shirt & will give his all
Arda Turan is a player with skill and will create so many chances. We've had interest in him before but was not serious enough. Do you see us going for him now?
Thanks

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20 Aug 2013 18:32:03
I'm personally not too concerned that Willian isn't signing for us - for the fee and wages it would entail it seems a big gamble considering their are other alternatives out there. What is concerning is that this is the 3rd major player we have been strongly pursuing who we have missed out on. I'm curious but, what is the reason for this? Were we simply not prepared to pay what was being asked? Did Willian always want to go to Spurs? Were we too slow in negotiating? Does anyone know?

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20 Aug 2013 18:30:56
This has nothing to do with spurs Being an attractive option! Or how much pull they have! It's down to the fact Spurs bid more than us! The player may have preferred a move to us but it ain't happening! I trust BR and even without Willian we are a better team now than we were 12 months ago!

JFT96 Y.N.W.A

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20 Aug 2013 18:28:45
So what's everyone's thoughts now it looks like willian is signing for spurs. Another target maybe or do we think Brendan will think we can cope with who we have? He was speaking about how there's a better feeling this season so maybe he thinks we can make champs league with the players we have?

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20 Aug 2013 18:28:33
Cissohko message to the fans- "We have big things, good things and together I hope we can do big things, good things"

Haha legend!

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Enrique is the better defender, but going forward I would say aly, but not a baines .

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20 Aug 2013 18:17:51
Cissokho and enrique who is better?

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Enrique.

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Aly by a mile!

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Is there any way BR can see Cissoko as a left winger?

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Attacking wise enrique is terrible. can't use right foot, can't cross, can't shoot, i'm not even sure about his passing. That is the reason Cissokho was signed.

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Hopefully cissokho because that means we've improved

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Wait and see.

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We will see?
Patience my friend.

Phooey

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Cissokho provides extra height which would definately help our problem of conceding from set plays. Think he'll be alog more solid defensively, He'd ad pace and power.
Last season Enrique provided some creativity, but we no longer need our left wingback to be creative if the Front 4 are operating like they are at the moment. We need defensive stability. So I say Cissokho is more what we need.

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Time will tell, but I think we have great balance at the full back positions now .

Johnson, Cissokho, Kelly & Enrique have got pace, power and strength between them . I feel we have got 4 strong players in those 2 positions now .

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I remember when he played for lyon and even carra said he tore us apart in the 2 champs league games against us in 2009 and I remember thinking the same and hoped we would sign him then so I would say cissokho

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20 Aug 2013 19:59:53
Cissokho purely for his ability on the ball and going forward with it. He is also better in the air by a country mile. Enrique is probably slightly stronger, but Cissokho is faster. position wise, both could use some work but Cissokho is the best in my opinion.

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Only one way to find out FIIIGGGGHHHTTT
or I guess we could just watch them both play.

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Think Enrique is a fantastic defender. Strong, quick and comfortable on the ball.

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20 Aug 2013 18:15:49
Everyone is saying we haven't missed out on Willian, but why make a bid at all if we are not going to match Spurs. Also we have missed o obviously we are after a left winger and have bid for 3 Mkhityran, Diego Costa and Willian if we hadn't made a bid then we wouldn't of missed out but we have not having a go it is just how it is. All 3 we haven't got its distressing seeming as we haven't got either of our first 3 do we want a fourth choice?

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I guess the owners have had their fingers burnt with big money signings

Seems clear they are looking for value

If spurs had stayed out of this one we'd have got him

Guess we just have to move on to turan or someone coming up. there is always another player

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Maybe there is more to this than meets the eye. We lost sigurdsson aswell but he hasn't turned out that great for spurs

Maybe the negotiations just show the mentality of the player a bit? If all they want is the most cash then maybe it's not what we want anyway as they will be straight away looking for another move to a bigger fish?

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Honestly really disappointed with us not going in and matching the price for Willian.
Anyway the best we can hope now is spurs don't get Lamela while we go out and get a quality LW, a DM and a top CB.
The best bet for LW would be to go for Munian. After the season he has had his price will at all time low. He may well turn out to be a coutinho type signing. Or Konoplyanka/ Antionne Griezmann (my preferance)

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20 Aug 2013 22:45:34
spurs have all but got willian, they will then turn their attentions to lamela who's father is in london to hold talks! nxt on their list is to sell adebayor to fenerbache should they survive? and then confirm their bid to milan for el shaarawy and a centre half and coentrao. sum bloomin team? I am hearing a bid for damioa is on offer from the pool and lfc are looking @ kp boateng for nxt summer

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20 Aug 2013 18:15:22
Eds, will there be major clam downs on big spending clubs in the next few transfer windows? Is that influencing our Summer spending, or if anything should we be paying a little more to make sure we land our targets?

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20 Aug 2013 18:15:11
Yes I think we can! We wanted him, we tried to sign him, but another club is going to sign him instead! That's 'missing out'

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20 Aug 2013 18:09:11
Never Thought agger would leave, he is a rare breed amongst footballers, one that shows true loyalty to the club and the people in Liverpool. A true legend. YNWA

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20 Aug 2013 18:07:37
Didn't really need that Willian as far as I'm concerned. Bit of a waste of money. Go all out for Turan, he would be a much better buy. I have no idea why we havn't gone for him earlier, or for the past few years in fact. I remember reading a few years ago that he was maybe a bit lightweight and injury prone. He seems to have bulked up a bit, but I have no idea about his injury record. Anyone know?

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He's been fine over the last two seasons. 86 apps 10 goals 20 assists 20 million not sure if that's euro's or £.

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20 Aug 2013 18:05:50
Hi Eds) Shame about Willian if these latest reports are true! What would make my day more is if Real Madrid turned round to Spurs now and said to Daniel Levy " Your too greedy and you can keep Gareth Bale" he would soon panic then having spent 90million quid already! We know Bale is a done deal or he wouldn't have spent anywhere near that! Any news on the availability of Shaquiri? Many Thanks in advance! {Ed002's Note - Shaqiri won't be moving to Liverpool.}

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Haha! I was thinking the same thing, he goes back to Perez " So Gareth for 90m"
"Nah you're alright"

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20 Aug 2013 17:55:43
I for one believe missing out on Willian will be a blessing in disguise, yes the guys a good player but there is also a lot better players out there who are available and for a lot less money.

I would much sooner like to see Liverpool FC invest the so called 28 million Willian money on the two guys from Ajax Erikson and Toby and still have some change left.

Erikson is a fantastic player and with age on his side he offers much more than Willian.

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I'm not to sure about erikson but I do agree about Willian, now don't get me wrong he seems a super player but I just feel if you are going to spend that much on an attack minded player he has to offer a better goals and assists return

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What curled1 said ;)

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Eriksen is not the player we need imo. we need sum1 who can beat a man and commit defenders, not play front of them. for me its a player who is clinical in front of goal, we can't drop points like last year getting sucked into dog fights wit defensive tactics. u would luv di natale.

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20 Aug 2013 20:07:34
Errikson ain't a LW.

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20 Aug 2013 17:47:35
Afternoon all,

Keep hearing "we need a left sided front man so Coutinho can play through the middle . "

Which would be great but surely that would mean Gerrard and Lucas, then Coutinho in front of them, playing behind a front 3.

Does that not feel a little too attacking. would be good to watch but who is going to get through the work Hendo did on Sat?.

I guess we could move to that formation if we were chasing the game but personally I like the 3 across the middle and then the 3 up front.

If we stick with that then anyone rated at 30m may not even be in the starting line up. guess that's called strength in depth!

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20 Aug 2013 19:45:50
It allows us to use different line-ups for different matches. Against Cardiff or Hull for example, we would want a much more attacking set-up than against man city or Chelsea. That is why you want players who can play in a variety of positions,

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20 Aug 2013 17:35:29
Aly Cissokho signing: confirmed!

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20 Aug 2013 17:25:08
i have see a picture of cissokho training at melwood, but no official information made by Liverpool website, what is happen? is it one of medical check up?
Are we going to bid for turan? there are many rumours about him to come to EPL. thanks for replying {Ed002's Note - See previous answers please.}

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20 Aug 2013 17:18:13
hey eds. what's the latest with willian? is he going to spuds? hearing lot of rumours that lamela and willian will both join spuds. I hope this remains just a rumour. is there any interest in lamela from Liverpool? i'd personally prefer him over willian. {Ed002's Note - Search engine or RTP.}

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If he goes to spurs, so be it.

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20 Aug 2013 17:11:06
Eds fellow reds, why are we struggling so much to nail transfers, we haven't spent any money yet were in profit, but any player we are linked with are going else where . Take it they don't like what there hearing from our club .if the club can't sell thereselfs then we might need to change . How can spurs be more of a lure than us . {Ed002's Note - Not in profit once all of the costs are considered.}

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They will be when they flog Suarez on transfer deadline day.

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20 Aug 2013 17:10:49
Spurs look likely to sell bale and look to have already "replaced" with willian, soldado etc.
They look a better team without bale and all these new players that where probably purchased with the money they should get from bale.
My question to my fellow reds is this. Should we sell Suarez and use the money like spurs have done, it's what I and a lot of us wanted to do but a lot of us wanted to keep him at any cost. So know we have seen what spurs have done, has anyone changed their minds from keeping Suarez at any cost to getting a good price for him and bringing in 2-3 or even 4 quality players? I know the window is coming to an end soon but thier are still players out there and most transfer activity comes in the last few days anyway.

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Bale WAS the reason spurs go to 5th and missed the CL. Safe to say he will likely leave because they`re spending all this money. They will have to make up for his absence "by committee" and that could take time. I lamella worth 30m? I don`t know. Is willian worth 30m? I don`t know. Selling suarez so u can invest in the team is no way to do business. He wasn`t sold because suitable bids never cam. At the same ime, Suarez's influence on the team and the system which brought his best total yet in england cannot be replaced "by committee". Based on sat`s game, if suarez can blend with that team, we will be a bigger force than arsenal and spurs.

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We should have sold him months back. Unfortunately not a whole lot of bids for him.

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Personally, I would only sell Suarez if we had someone equal to him lined up, all signed sealed and delivered. If he is staying, personally I don't think we need anyone else. We can play Suarez on the left, or realistically be interchanging with Coutinho and Aspas. Don't forget we still have Sterling and Ibe and Borini as cover. I know you can say 'its not our money, so buy the most expensive players out there', but the fact is the less money we spend now, the stronger the club will be, and we will have more money to spend on the right players in the future. Just my thoughts.

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Its too late to do that

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20 Aug 2013 17:03:58
Wouldn't anzhi just fly In willian on their posh private jet?
They were quite happy flying the players from Moscow to mak(can't spell the rest) for home games every week, so if they want to sell him wouldn't they do that rather than let him go via Easyjet or whoever?
Looks like he's off to spurs anyway.

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I imagine that is exactly what they would do whilst trying to cut costs.

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20 Aug 2013 17:03:13
Eds, What ever happened to LFC's buy young English talent policy? Did all that go out of the window? Is it still the case that there will be a limit on foreign players in the future? Got to say I prefer spanish Aspas to English Downing, even if he does look like Spearing's twin brother. {Ed002's Note - I know nothing of such a policy.}

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20 Aug 2013 16:58:10
We are scrabbling around for the preverbial pennies down the back of the sofa in footballing terms, understandable when you consider we are hemorhaging money every month. Although I would have thought the clear out this window would have eased that.

But if we can't afford the bid or close ish to it why bother and then we see ourselves looking like mugs yet again when teams come in and snatch these players in a few days that we spent weeks negotiating over. Stick to our price range, bid what the selling club wants and if the player wants to come great!

Not going to speculate on who we will look to sign now, no doubt we will look like mugs yet again until we bid for some cheap unknown who will probably turn out to be a gem.

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You still have to test the waters. Make the bid they want ONLY if you think he`s worth it. We already tried giving the bid clubs want and see where that got us. We have an evaluation, the selling club does too. You try to meet half way and that`s it. Only go over if you feel the player is worth it in every sense.

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20 Aug 2013 16:54:46
Ed. I have a question to you.

I am sure the officials of our club is aware of the offer rejected by Anzhi from city for Willian,
so there is no logic in bidding a lower fee for him? {Ed002's Note - I have explained that Anzhi will need to settle for less.}

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Agree eds!

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20 Aug 2013 16:52:51
ESPN reporting Willian in London to agree deal with Spurs.

Spurs were chasing him in January, so I can't agree they are stealing our targets.

What is for sure, is that for whatever reason (higher wages? nicer city? better team? better negotiators?) Tottenham are a much better draw than Liverpool at this point in time.

Even if Bale leaves (which will give Tottenham a massive boost in money) the Spurs already look to be a powerful team, and if they use the transfer kitty from Bale now or in January, they could really compete at the top.

Anyway, ESPN usually pretty reliable, but let's hope this one was a mistake.

Coop

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They didn't seem like a better team without Bale on Sunday.
Soldado is the option they were missing for so many years up front(but not 20+ kind of striker) and Willian+Chadli is an inferior "replacement duo" to Bale.
If Bale leaves I wouldn't be too concerned. If they add Lamela and we don't make that "marquee" signing we need then we can be talking about them.

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He goes, he goes. Move on.

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Pretty difficult for Willian to sign for us if Anzhi didn't accept our bid, no?

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20 Aug 2013 19:54:46
Generally coop, they just seem to value the players more than we do. Siggurdson went for higher wages, Dempsey and now willian because they were willing to pay prices that we don't think the players are worth. You can see how the first two turned out, and I feel this one may go the same way.

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ESPN reliable? Seriously? I am not doubting the authenticity of this story (a stopped clock is right at some point) but ESPN make loads up! Harry Harris for one, never a quote in sight!

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20 Aug 2013 16:47:39
If willan is not coming hopefully there will be other options (onto our 4th choice now) but is it just me who thinks we should be looking at right side attackers? We have several options for the left. If Suarez stays I would think he would play from the left (like he does for Uruguay) with Sturridge up top with coutinio in front of midfield two but its not obvious who plays on the right. hendo did good job on Saturday but not sure he is the long term answer

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20 Aug 2013 16:47:37
So is it to be belived? Spuds have got Willian, and now are talking with Lamela's agent along with hovering over Erikson? If all or some of it true, a team that finished above us is improving significantly with or without Bale.I don't see us finishing above them, maybe above Arsenal.

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20 Aug 2013 16:47:11
Can we really say we've missed out on a player if we don't offer the same transfer fee or package.

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I wouldn`t call it missing out. I would call it like a player choosing what`s best for his career. That is open to interpretation.

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20 Aug 2013 16:46:16
just so we are all aware, willian did not choose spurs over us.

We did not match spurs bid!

Sad news really, probably lost out on him over 2-3 mil.

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Why would you want to overpay for a player that could turn out to be another Downing?

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Its not the first time eh

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Exactly. I said this 2 days ago about how it's a joke and I got attacked by 4 or 5 posters for wanting the club we love to show ambition

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Downing was a Kenny signing and is crsp, Willian is not.

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Lfc prob thought he wasn`t worth the extra millions. We all thought Sig and Dempsey should have been bought regardless and wound up to be benchwarmers or subs at best. Trust your club!

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You should be glad we're sticking to our guns & not being pushed over with any transfers.

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If spending a ridiculous amount of money (and 30 million is too much for Willian) is 'showing ambition', you must have been as giddy as a schoolgirl when we spent 35 million on Andy Carroll. What 'ambition' is to some is just silly to others. We can, and will, get better players than him for less money. Maybe not in this window, but at some point. We might not be able to if we blow all that cash on this fellow. I'm glad he is going to Spurs and not us. If he turns out to be a genius, I will happily eat some humble pie, but I think we dodged a 30 million pound bullet.

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20 Aug 2013 16:44:23
Chill guys! So what if willian is going to spurs, fair play to them, they will be a force this season! It is one player, even without anymore transfers, we are a match for anyone, though we will surely have other options, let's move on, stick together, let it all unfold and hope we have a great season! Roll on sept 2nd when the window shuts! Ynwa

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20 Aug 2013 16:40:29
Anyone seen Agger's comments on ssn? What an absolute legend

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20 Aug 2013 18:27:02
Legend!

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20 Aug 2013 16:37:52
Final post on spurs v Liverpool.

Spurs must be massively paying on wages now especially with FPP around. If bale goes they trim 150k off wages a week. But ADD on Soldado at 80k, Chadli at 50k, paulino at 70k, willian at 85k, lamela (if he goes there) at 70k, capoue at 60k

thats 150k out in terms of wages and over 400k incoming on a weekly wages. Struth!

net wages are 1m more a month for those players. {Ed002's Note - Gallas Caulker, Bostock, Dempsey, Huddlestone, Scott Parker, Bentley and a bunch out on loan. Hopeless.}

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20 Aug 2013 16:33:28
Looks like Spurs are putting a lot of faith in our scouts!

Be nice if they could identify their own target for a change - not liking the reality that they are more attractive. Hopefully, just the 'Life in London' aspect.

Anyway, anyone choosing them over us does not deserve to wear our shirt!

Rant over and at last things are starting to shape up for us. One more bit of class and another centre back and we will be in business this season! {Ed002's Note - Willian is a long time target of Spurs - rather embarrassing post.}

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How can he be choosing spurs over us when we are not an option to him. Spurs have had a bid accepted we have not.

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20 Aug 2013 16:30:04
What an absolute legend Agger is, he is the same breed as Gerrard and the perfect man for the vice captaincy.

He gave the following quote in regards to interest from Barcelona:

"Barcelona are obviously a big club, but I have never thought about leaving Liverpool, unless they want to sell."

"Everyone at the club is an integral part of my life.

"I have a YNWA tattoo!

"Frankly I don't mind if we don't finish in the top four, I love the club."

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Could that be construed as he won't work hard to ensure we finish top four? ;)

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20 Aug 2013 16:29:52
cant believe we have lost out to spurs AGAIN for a player. spurs have bid more than us and Willian will be signing for them, shame he would have suited us perfectly.

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Spurs outbid us for Dempsey and Sig and STILL needed Bale to save their season. We have a team, they have to start from scratch if he leaves and based on what we saw on sun, they need a whole lot of work. I know what team I`d rather have.

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20 Aug 2013 16:29:03
I remember a few years ago, everyone was going mad about Ever Banega. What actually happened to him? Seems to have completely dropped of the radar.
Onto Willian. If the club don't value him at more than £30m then why complain if they won't go above that. They've had their hands burnt with the Carroll, Downing and Adam prices/deals.
Our last 2 January signings were class and didn't exactly break the bank, did they.
I saw enough pre-season and in the game against Stoke to be optimistic for this season.

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Awesome post. I`ve been sayin this all along

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20 Aug 2013 13:22:37
Hi eds first time poster long time reader.
Just wondering do u think we can still do a deal for willian
Or is he already spurs bound.
Thanks in advance great site btw
Cheers. {Ed002's Note - Not without making a much better offer.}

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Is it more than likely out of the question that we'd up our offer?
Cheers.

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20 Aug 2013 13:15:01
eds reds any alternatives, realistic or otherwise, to willian? less money involved, milner? kalou? steviep62.

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Thisnhad me in stitches lol, still wiping the tears from my eyes. I guess they would be options why and z, probably be outbid by crystal palace at the last minute.

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20 Aug 2013 16:25:45
All this speculation surrounding us needing a new CB (should Skrtel and/or Coates leave), which I more than agree with.
The main names that have been suggested are Papadopolous, Alderwired and Sakho, any of whom I would be more than happy with as personally I think they are all excellent players.
One player, who although has been mentioned, but not to quite the same extent is Adil Rami of Valencia. In my opinion also a very good option and i've read he is supposedly available very much on the cheap (under 10 million). Would be another potentially good option as i'd like a CB to join before the end of the window. Just throwing it out there.

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20 Aug 2013 16:49:22
No mate. the main reason is, we haven't yet sold coates or Skertel to free up the wages and Transfer fees for any of the mentioned players.

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ILORI is the defender I want the most, someone who can alternate with Kolo, he is a good player

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20 Aug 2013 16:25:05
Quick question Ed.
I've created a log in and registered etc but my last couple of posts haven't been put up.
I'm not that fussed mate really, I just wondered if I'm done something wrong or I've made your blacklist without even trying?
JFT96 {Ed001's Note - you aren't blocked, I can see one from you regarding Willian is up.}

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20 Aug 2013 16:23:38
Even though I'm pretty gutted we didn't get Willian.

I'm pleased with the reports saying we refused to match spurs bid, because we didn't value the player at that price.
The days of spending well over the odds for players, seems to have gone, which i'm sure we are all pleased about.

Willian would of been an opportunist signing, he wouldn't have been a target. Because of this i'm still optimistic we can bring In a bit of quality before September.

Was wondering who everyone would like us to go for now?

I personally still think we need another cb (papa, sakho?)

And then obviously the attacking option?

I would love to see lamela, but think that could be a bit optimistic.

Maybe turan? Think he would jump at the chance.

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I don't see a CB as a requirement so long as Skrtel and Coates are on the books personally. Clearly a left attacker is wanted and there's been loads of names mentioned on here already, including Turan who I think would do well for us.

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20 Aug 2013 16:21:17
Sorry edd, I meant to say cissokho in my earlier post {Ed001's Note - ah right, got you. He just didn't settle in there and needs a change.}

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20 Aug 2013 16:20:33
I'm not going to lie, I will be glad if we miss out on Willian, I think he's a good player but I believe there are cheaper alternatives that will be of lower risk in terms of price and quality.

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20 Aug 2013 16:17:37
Hi All,

I guess the whole of the UK is currently playing that Brazilian parlour game - Where's Willian?!

On the Bus!

Outside A Vintage Clog Shop!

Eating A Pie!

what the heck, It'll all be alright in the end. We'll always love the Pool.

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Thought he was in the Babelcopter?

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20 Aug 2013 16:15:47
Could Willian be on the 17:15 flight from London HR to Manchester I'm sure we will all find out soon cheers.

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Or he could have just flown direct from Moscow to Manchester.

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20 Aug 2013 16:15:25
Just want to say, again, fair play to Agger. If all of our players were as committed as him we'd be a lot better off.
Has come out again and said he won't move to Barcelona unless the club want to sell him. Said he would stay even if we don't finish in the top 4 again -

"Frankly I don't mind if we don't finish in the top four, I love the club."

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20 Aug 2013 16:07:00
That people carrier willian is getting out of is just like the one regularly escorting new players to melwood. Unless there is more than one of those vehicles in circulation in the uk he is defo on the way to lfc!

Cheers

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Wow, what can I say, its unlikely a car factory would've manufactured more than one, he must be in his way to LFC, via some fast food outlet

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That people carrier? What you mean the same one of probably thousands made and on British roads daily?

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Think the original poster was being sarcastic

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Wow In that case I have just spotted him 24 times on the way back from tesco.

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Sorry my hint of sarcasm was clearly too subtle. I hoped to avoid using ha or a winking face at the end of the message but clearly needed for clarity of humour!

Cheers

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Oh come on! how did you not know that was a joke?

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20 Aug 2013 15:59:13
Eds I can't believe Spurs are "stealing" another one of our targets! I find it outrageous that we have "lost out" to them again. I mean how dare they try and sign players we couldn't agree deals for or sometimes had no interest in whatsoever! Didn't they hear us call dibs. It's clear that they don't have their own scouts as all they do is target players with pace, who are comfortable on the ball and have the quality to push them into the top four. It's almost as if they have the same season objectives as us too! We should report them to the league as it is without doubt their fault that we are unable to close deals for "big-name" players!
On a serious note I do hope we can seal at least one attacking signing (preferably Turan) and possibly a CB as I feel these would give us a fighting chance of reaching the top 4 coupled with the team spirit Rodgers seems to have fostered (as was seen by the team's reaction to Mignolet's save from the spot)

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Spurs scouted him before us, AVB has tried to sign him twice, and knows him personally, our interest only came after we failed to sign Micky.

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20 Aug 2013 15:53:03
We must have other targets we can pursue now that Willian seems to be joining Spurs but it is rather late in the window which can hinder our chances. Surprisingly, Assaidi is still at the club, who knows we may see more of him this season.

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20 Aug 2013 15:49:57
Right a number of journos have now said we didn't match what Spurs offered. One on hand I admire our resolve in not overpaying for targets but I just hope we have someone else in store.

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Spurs met their asking price we didn't what's to admire. Their stance is exactly like ours in relation to Luis. So if you ask me we are as cheeky as Arsenal. If we want the player pay the damn fee. I'm really annoyed with our approach to things.

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20 Aug 2013 15:32:22
come on willian let's see a picture of you at Liverpool airport come on lad

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Flying from Heathrow to John Lennon eh?

Wow, that man must collect some nice air miles

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RD why not I flew to cork one year I liv in Dublin so what's wrong with that few hours Drive few Mins on a plane handy.

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20 Aug 2013 15:31:29
Why are so many people acting as if it would be the worst thing in the world if we didn't get willian? For 30 million on a position that Isn't as critical as maybe a CB or DM IMO.

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20 Aug 2013 15:30:23
Why is it all about willian? True he looks a decent player but there must be a reason why no champions league team has gone in for him true there was a bid in from man city there was talk of Chelsea but neither came to fruition! And after the way we played at the weekend who would you ov taken out of the team in place ov willian! I'm sorry but all this talking and disruption to the players we've got on board needs to stop have faith in the club we are moving in the right direction we will finish higher in the league this season! We will sign more players just leave it to the club to judge who's worth wearing our crest!

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Chelsea really wanted him when he was at Shakthar but they wouldn't sell. They now have Hazard so that's why.

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20 Aug 2013 15:24:49
Controversial question to fellow reds
Does anyone else think it would have been better if we had Comolli negotiating (only) for transfers right now?

I mean we surely would have overpayed (a lot) but we would have been boasting a team having Mkhitryan, Willian and Papadopoulos.

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Along with Carrol, Downing and Adam?

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20 Aug 2013 16:17:32
No. becoz he would never find them.

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Are you serious? Comolli?

The best thing FSG did was sacking this waste of space. They also did right by sacking KK (King he is not)

Why should we pay well over the odds just to get a player? Such silly nonsense you speak

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Haha true story.

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We would probably have none of those players because he would have blown 20m on mignolet, 25m on aspas, 18m on Alberto and 10m on toure.
He got sacked for good reason.

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I don't think that matters personally, its a world cup year, players want as much exposoure as poss, europa league in my view is irrelavant (would we play a 30m player in it?) its money and who can guarantee more pitch time in my eyes.

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20 Aug 2013 16:46:06
if we'd signed Mkhitaryan, we wouldn't be in for Willian

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No we would be bankrupt. We would have paid probably about 50 mil a player.

Anyone see Comolli deals as Only Fools and Horses Del boy and Trigger briefcase episode from the first series.

Comolli talking to Anzi:
Comolli: Liverpool want Willian but won't pay a penny over 30 mill.
Anzi: We want 45
Comolli: 35
Anzi: 40
Comolli: 50
Anzi: Deal!

Sorry couldn't resist.

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Paying what the seller wants and what you didn't want isn't negotiating as I understand the word. What a muppet. Hope this was just a poorly executed wind-up.

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20 Aug 2013 15:16:10
Even though my heart has been saying sign willian my head says no no for £30m. A 25yr old with only 2 brazil caps and this is far from a good Brazilian team. Scored about 20ish goals in nearly 200 games (1 in 10). Let spurs have him for that price there are plenty of gems still out there (even though we've got 5/6 of them this year)

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Agree mate if were looking to pay £30M then why not bid for Lamela instead who is by far the better player and gets goals.

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20 Aug 2013 15:06:52
Anyone thought about how Spurs would be if Bale were to stay? Top 4 guaranteed, obviously, maybe even proper title contenders, but I think there's another twist to come in this and Real will either not bid or bid about £35-40m at the last minute. Personally, I think he's worth nowhere near the £80-90m that's being touted.
Someone else said it earlier but it's looking like it will be really difficult for us to make Top 4 this season. The best we can hope for is to battle it out with Arsenal for 5th spot. Really hope I'm proven wrong and trust in what Brendan's doing. With the players we have coming through though, the future's looking good!

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20 Aug 2013 16:03:54
Would we really want to be involved in the Europa League. It is a second-class competition that just gets in the way throughout the season.

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It wil be incredibly tough to get that 4th place.

BUT, and this is a big but. If we don't drop points to the teams below us and manage to grab a few wins and draws of our rivals, we will be right amongst it. Consistency is the Key.

Our squad on paper may not be as strong as let's say spurs. But that doesn't mean they will gel to be a better team. Time will tell but I think we still have reason to be optimistic about the season.

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Europa league will soon worth going for as the winner gets a champions league spot.

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And skint!

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20 Aug 2013 15:02:21
Eds

Liverpool should pay to much for William, good player but goal return ratio big question mark. CB needed more urgently Sakho and Illoris looks a much better prospect than Skirtle and Coates.

Thanks eds

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Whats the fascination with people on here saying defence is urgent, its quite clearly not. We have lots of good options.

RB - Johnson, Kelly, McLaughlin & Flanagan
CB - Toure, Agger, Wisdom, Skrtel, Coates, Jones & Sama
LB - Enrique, Cissokho, Robinson & Smith

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Liverpool should pay to much for Willian? Did you mean "shouldn't"?

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20 Aug 2013 15:01:25
we have lost out on willian really dissapointed. we have now lost out on 3 top targets what is happening and to be honest we have not brought in enough quality unlike spurs
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I don't think you can say 3 top targets, I would a assume a list of several players is drawn up that fit the bill for the manager, which the manager will place in order of his prefered choice, moving along that list as deals don't work out is not the end of the world, as "all" one the list can in the managers view improve the squad (or group if your BR), in simple terms, i'd like to fiddle with jennifer aniston, but if she said no, someone else would do the job

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20 Aug 2013 14:59:27
Why are we all complaining about Willian possibly going to Spurs?
Not only has he never really played in a quality league let alone the prem where he'll get kicked up hill and down dale but until this last few weeks most of us had never heard of him!
Look what we do have already. Aspas with proven spanish league quality, Suarez one of the top 3 strikers in the world and already prem proven, Sturridge with pace to burn and a keen eye for goal, Gerrard a club legend and England captain, Mignolet one of the leagues brightest upcoming keepers, Couthino absolute class and can thread a pass through the eye of a needle, Henderson improving all the while and showing passion that is needed to play for the shirt, Lucas slowly becoming one of the best midfielders in the league, that's all without the Toures and Aggers of this world and the upcomers like Sterling and Ibe!
Dont forget all these are proven in the league, there's nothing to say any of these other players are going to cut it in the league so at the money they are costing they are one hell of a gamble to potentially NOT make top four,
Give it time and have some faith you might be surprised with what we have, a tight team spirit and a decent system can overcome more than you think, I mean, look at Man utds squad this last 5-6 years, who would have had Brown or O'Shea or Smalling not to mention Rafael and Cleverley and Park, no disrespect to those players but you wouldn't have had any of those down as world class and they won the league countless times!
Stop getting carried away with FIFA type reputations and look at it closely, I think youll find we won't be far away with what we have and if sticking with what we have means we don't overpay on fancy names with unproven reps then personally i'm ok with that, let's get behind the team and leave the transfer situation to the men in charge. We may just get a surprise yet
YNWA JFT96

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Well said mate best post I've read in a long time.

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At last somebody with some optimism. You sir seem to be a dying breed.
Brilliant post. Couldn't agree more.

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I share your passion mate and also agree with what you say

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Well said that man!

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20 Aug 2013 14:56:05
Hello fellow kopites,
disappointed over the Willian news as everyone here.
Just reckon if we still really want a go at top 4, we need to try really hard for Lamela.
If he isn't interested just go and splash the cash on Konoplyanka, Fernando Reges and either of Sakho/Papadopoulos.
Just telling we have cash but need to find the right players isn't going to get us anywhere. 40-50M should be enough to get us the 3 players mentioned above and if we were prepared to pay 30M for Willian we should be able to cough up 10-15M more especially with the sales of Skrtel, Coates and Assaidi.
Please LFC, would not be able to take another season where we don't even challenge for top 4.

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20 Aug 2013 14:52:47
I said yesterday I felt Willian would actually come after reliable enough source said he may, and I actually (probably stupidly) still think he will pick LFC to play for and think the spurs medical is also a mix up

I think Arda would be even better but Willian would be excellent and versatile and still think we will get our man

Here is hoping

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Keep clutching at those straws

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Maybe but you should not believe stuff you read without any facts either my friend. If he signs for LFC you will be left scratching your head perhaps

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Seriously, I can't help but laugh hard
Mike S must have been like 'that's it, can't hold it anymore'

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20 Aug 2013 14:48:44
The way I see it, and my opinion only. Is that there's a lot of Fsg slagging off going on here, I don't see them as the problem, they have put the club on a stable financial path and have invested in the squad, ok that money was not always spent that wisely not there fault. The issue is back just before the dreaded Hicks Gillett era, at the time we were in the old " big four" the current owners then recognised that they could not provide the financial muscle to push for the title and increase capacity, at that point spurs were where we are now, stable well run but not going to break into the top 4. Now that disastrous sale and following seasons we stood still as a club it allowed spurs to catch up with us, and now overtake us, we may of still been on level terms had BR came in prior to KD and the Carroll and co buys, but unfortunately that's where we are now, we need to play the long game, spurs are spending big on the profit from the potential Bale sale, that's we're we have to be looking finding the gems that will give us a good few seasons then leave for huge amounts (Coutinio), I don't feel FSG are anyway to blame for the current state of play, we are where we are at least we are improving as a squad and a business.

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20 Aug 2013 14:46:35
Hi eds willian as been spotted in london as you know is there any other reason he could be there other than a medical at spurs I mean I don't think he will travel that far for sight seeing.(gutted if that's the case he would be a great addition to our squad) {Ed001's Note - talks, connecting flights, there are numerous reasons he would go to Heathrow.}

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20 Aug 2013 14:30:09
So we've got to accept Willian isn't signing so do we have another target that you know of Eds?

I hope so. We have to improve our left wing to allow Coutinho to play inside.

Puzzled Red {Ed001's Note - there are always other options mate. Willian isn't the be all and end all. There are players such as Turan, who is pushing for a move to us.}

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20 Aug 2013 16:06:45
Hey ed, do you know if there is any interest from us in turan or do you think it is just his agen drumming up interest. Also if we were to make a move for him would we have a chance of getting him.
Thanks {Ed001's Note - at the moment it just seems to be his agent pushing for us to make a move.}

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20 Aug 2013 16:27:53
Ed01, But ed we will never go in for him. {Ed001's Note - you never know, football has a funny way of surprising us all.}

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20 Aug 2013 14:36:26
Even if Willian was spotted at Heathrow does it really mean he is on his way to spurs? Maybe he had to fly there as I can't see there being a direct flight from Russia to John lennon? He'll I can't get one from Aberdeen direct. Just a thought

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The hotel he's checked into in London probably

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Clutching at straws for a marque signing :(

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Not clutching at anything for a marque signing. Was just saying people have to sometimes have a change over to get to preferred destination. Honestly couldn't care who we bring in because if Brendan thinks the player is good enough for the team then that's good enough for me. After all he has been in the game most of his life and is now the manager of one of the biggest clubs in the world so he must know a thing or two about football unlike some of the muppets on here.

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20 Aug 2013 14:34:39
A slight deviation from the will-Ian sign, won't-ian sign chatter. Isn't it refreshing to hear a footballer in this day and age say what Daniel Agger reportedly said to the Danish press with a bid from Barcelona on the table. "I don't care if we finish four to be honest I just love the club". However I do fear the champions league football is getting further from our grasp albeit I don't buy into the best players make the best team, there's a lot to be said for loyalty and passion for your club making players play beyond thereselves so chins up, although the thought of a interchanging top 4 of Willian, Coutinio, Suarez did make me wee myself a little

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Man Utd certainly don't have the best players but are willing to fight for the cause. There is more than just adding £35 million footballers to your team. An all round stronger squad is a must for me.

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20 Aug 2013 14:32:21
Just a though reds but is there a chance that if Willian was flying direct from Russia that there wasn't an available flight to Liverpool hence the flight to London?

Optimistic I know but I wouldn't start panicking just yet!

JC {Ed001's Note - as far as I am aware, there are no direct flights from Russia to Liverpool, so you could be right. I can't say I have done extensive research on it though!}

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There are direct flights from Moscow to Liverpool

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Nothing from Liverpool ed but there is a direct Moscow to Manchester flight these days. He would likely be on that if he wanted to get to Liverpool

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What part of Russia did he fly from Anzhi is over 1600 km from Moscow. All depends where he flew out of. Big country is Russia. {Ed002's Note - All of the players live in Moscow.}

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Ssn are saying he is checked into a London hotel and that he wishes to join Spurs.

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20 Aug 2013 14:39:54
Willian is a smokescreen for Turan. just thought I'd get it in first ;)

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Have to say if Willian was so so so good then why is it that no clucbs outside the EPL are interested and even then MAN U and Chelsea aren't interested.

If he is as good as we are led to beleive (same with LAMELA) why no interest from RM or Barca or top italian or Bayern munich?

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Turan over Willian all day long. a year older, much more experienced, loves LFC, half the price lol. Get Him

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Come on just because you have been snubbed doesn't make the player rubbish all of a sudden. If he had signed for you i'm sure we would have been hearing title talk.

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20 Aug 2013 14:35:02
Just being realistic here Ed but it appears we have missed out on Willian but that we still want someone in his position, my guess is we are going to back and try sign Erikson again and hopefully he will agree to join. Also I hope Spurs don't get Lamela, he is an amazing talent and would be an amazing signing for Spurs.

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20 Aug 2013 15:04:06
Told you :-D

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20 Aug 2013 14:32:07
I'm not that bothered about losing out on Willian. I know he's a top player but there are replacements. What concerns me is how slow we do our business and how we keep losing out to Spurs. Maybe it's time for a new face, Ian Ayre isn't getting the players in that BR identifies as our targets and that's worrying

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20 Aug 2013 15:05:19
Absolutely right!!! Couldn�t say it better!

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Why you lot keep blaming Ian, its not just him, few others are involved as well, the value and how much we can bid is definitely not up to him

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20 Aug 2013 14:28:22
So difficult to know what to think. Is Willian really worth the price tag? Are we, as it seems from the outside, missing out on serious targets? Are Ayre and his team up to the task? All we can do is hope that they have learned from last year when the squad was left way too thin. Spurs are looking strong and Arsenal will surely strengthen. I believe in what BR is doing, I just hope he gets the support he needs.

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20 Aug 2013 14:26:21
Amazing comparison between Liverpools business in 2011 and Spurs potential business in 2013.

Liverpool 2011

Henderson 20m
Downing 20m
Carroll 35m
Adam 8m


Spent: 82 million


SPURS 2013

Capoue 8m
Chadli 8m
Paulinho 17m
Soldado 25m
William 28m


Spent: 88m

comments?

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Well done Spurs

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Interesting that 2 years on only one of those is still with us!

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Who cares what they do? do you understand how football works?

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20 Aug 2013 15:04:45
somebody at r club was smoking something when we paid out 35m for carroll and 20m for downing adam is worth half what we paid henderson jury still out I would say at the min he would be worth about 10m but he could kick on and justify his fee.

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Hindsight!

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Irrelevant, we all know the clubs wasted money and Spurs have signed some good players, but can we all just support our own team and stop worrying about what everyone else is doing.

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SPURS 2011:

Parker - 5.5m
Coulibaly - 2m
Friedel - Free

That seems to be it for them in 2011. Then if we do what you did:

LIVERPOOL 2013
Aspas - 7m
Toure - Free
Mignolet - 9m
Alberto - 7m

We've made better signings in 2013 than Spurs did in 2011. And it means nothing, since the season we're playing isn't 2011 squads vs 2013 squads.

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20 Aug 2013 15:24:30
Difference Liverpool 7th. Spurs 4th. and fighting for title.

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I'm not a huge fan of Chadli or Capoue, to be honest. Paulinho is a good player and Soldado a good traditional number 9. Willian would make a lot of sense for Spurs since they're missing a creative spark in midfield at the moment, but is pretty expensive (compared to say Coutinho who is younger, far cheaper, and already arguably a better player in a similar role).

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And what relevance does that have? £17m for Paulinho and a lot less for Phil the skill, comment?

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Spurs have always done well in the market, they paid next to nothing for Bale, VDV, Modric, Berbaflop and few others.

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And you have to ask yourself if Chadli is really worth 8m, did you see their game, he is far below average

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Henderson was 'only' £16m.

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By the looks of things you can add Coentroa and Lamela to the Spurs signings too.

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That money spent in 2011 set us back a couple of years no doubt

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Hsbc or whatever your name is the point is Spurs have made progreas. We seem to be going in a straight line or backwards. Spurs bought Dembele for 15 mil we bought Henderson for 20 I'm sorry he ain't in the man's class. Liverpools ability to scrounge and make offers less than the club's asking price is taking it's toll on us now. Spurs are a club going places we are not, we are hoping for the best with the current sqaud. This may change in a couple of weeks so who knows. But I'm just going on recent history.

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1. You can't add up.

2. Enrique signed that season as well.

3. Forget me if I'm wrong but didn't we win a trophy that season with those players? Did Spurs win anything?

Yes its frustrating but move on.

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CC- Coutinho for £9M or Willian for £30M, which is the better deal? Sturridge for £12M or Soldado for £26M? Aspas or Chadli? Toure on a free or Paulinho? Yes, admittedly not all equivalents but you're going back quite some time to pick out Henderson versus Dembele.

Spurs have picked up a bit of quality, but it's cost them a lot to do so and the players they got aren't necessarily ones we need. We're doing just fine in the transfer market and have done so all this year. Sturridge, Coutinho, Aspas, Toure, etc. are all very good signings at reasonable prices.

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Good post. In other words, value foe money. In economics, it`s called cost-effectiveness.

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20 Aug 2013 14:05:55
Hey Eds and fellow fans! Have any of you seen Will Hughes play? The lad from Derby. Saw him get linked today and would like to know more about him. Cheers {Ed030's Note - Yes,He has the ability and attitude to go the the highest level. }

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And any news on the rumoured move to Liverpool? Thanks! {Ed030's Note - No idea sorry mate. }

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20 Aug 2013 14:19:46
it may well be the case that Willian will go to Spurs but it may also be the case that we are more interested in Turan who ia a Liverpool fan and is established and similar in style. very good technically. he would also be cheaper. Also, we can't always blame Ayre or FSG is a player chooses another club over us. sometimes it really is about things other than money. London, bright lights, showing more potential for CL etc.

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It's true that nobody outside the inner sanctum of the club knows what goes on in transfer dealings and players do have a choice of clubs and they sometimes don't pick us.

However, what we do know is that Rodgers wanted Mickey, he wanted Costa and he wanted Willian. In each case we missed out because, as it appears looking in from the outside, that we try to play cat and mouse by offering below the selling club's valuation. Then we sit and wait, giving other teams the time and opportunity to move in and steal the player. That is what upsets so many supporters on here.

Why can't they obtain the selling price from the agents, put in an acceptable bid, talk wages and tie up the deal before everyone else knows our business. I've heard the mention of smokescreens on here a few times. Believe me, Liverpool wouldn't know how to put up a smokescreen if they were based in Hell!

Spurs have obviously identified Liverpool as their major rivals for a Champions League spot and have taken out a deliberate policy of watching and targeting us. By signing players we identify, they feel that they can strenghen themselves and weaken us at the same time by taking players we want. Thankfully, not much damage was done when they did it with Dempsey and Siggurdsson but it's only a matter of time before they snatch someone who will do a lot of damage - let's hope its not Willian.

Why are Ayre and FSG allowing Spurs to do this all the time? They are an also-ran club who have done nothing of note since the early 60's. We need to fight back make sure they don't get away with it all the time.

I know one of the Eds has said they are bound to be in the same market as us for players, but I don't believe they would have gone for Willian if we hadn't bid. {Ed001's Note - utter nonsense, Spurs simply don't have the funds to act in that way, they will only buy players they want for themselves. They are in need of a new stadium as well as us, they aren't buying for the sake of stifling us.}

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20 Aug 2013 14:16:47
Am I the only one who hopes we do not pay the inflated price for a midfielder whos stats in a 2nd rate league are not great.
If Suarez is staying he can play wide with Aspas on the other flank. With Ibe and Sterling for back up. Or I know I am going to get slated for this. But why not Scott Sinclair who is another player with a point to make who can only get better and would come allot cheaper than Willian and less of a risk.

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20 Aug 2013 14:12:52
I am glad we missed out on Willian

However I will be gutted if we do not step in and make a £30m+ offer for Lamela

Fair play to Spurs, over the last 4 seasons their net spend has been virtually ZERO (guaranteed Bale is gone) yet they have assembled a very good squad with a healthy academy.
I also like the way they bring in players before selling their big money players - Modric / Bale etc

Fourth place is getting tougher each year.

Sakho + Lamela should see us into CL

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20 Aug 2013 15:25:24
we don't need lamela, would do to get Muriel 20 mill. or turan another 20 mill target.

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20 Aug 2013 14:05:23
So the reports are coming out the Willian has opted to join Spurs (i'll believe it when I see it) I just hope this means the club turn their attentions to Turan. Don't get me wrong Willian would be a very good signing especially for a club not in Europe, but in my opinion Turan would be a great signing, he's not the same light weight kid that played for Gala and I think with him on the left he is the solution to a problem we've had for years. He's a well documented Liverpool fan and I just hope he'd be willing to join despite the allure of champions league football and a bigger wage other clubs would offer.

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20 Aug 2013 14:04:04
I have to say i'm disappointed in losing out on willian. I do think there are alrernatives out there but he is exactly the quality e need in the final 3rd, aspas is handy but looking at the competition for fourth and our usual wastefulness in front of goal, we need some real quality up there that only a handful of players can offer. wit ben smith sayin damiao is not an alternative, has any1 any idea who our contingency plan is? United are a good example that good attacking players can carry a mediocre team to success.

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20 Aug 2013 14:02:10
if we get William then great, if he goes to spurs then so be it a lot of this is pure paper talk at the moment as nothing being confirmed, eds if u could tell me have lpool put a bid in for him, if they do want him then i'd hope we would of, because don't want to miss out like hm as we did put bid in but not high enough to allow us to talk with him so that is a waste of time, and just to say bout spurs lots of our fans seem jealous of them spend spend spending but let's not forget to keep those wages going and for all those fees they spent u have to be having a return somewhere for that outlay, don't forget they not in cl and havnt been so they taking a risk remember leeds and look what happened there

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20 Aug 2013 13:21:55
Hi all,

A good friend of mine has just confirmed that Willian has been seen in London Heathrow (confirmation picture has been sent to eds). Unless he is going there purely for talks, I would strongly suggest it looks like he's going to sign for Tottenham unfortunately.

Take care

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20 Aug 2013 13:19:06
Tottenham are leading the race to sign him and there are unconfirmed reports that Willian has arrived in London today. Liverpool have been in talks for nearly a week and now Zenit St Petersburg have also shown their hand. Liverpool are still interested but there is a feeling that their negotiations with Anzhi have reached stalemate, which could lead the way clear for Tottenham to break their transfer record for the third time this summer to sign Willian

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20 Aug 2013 13:40:56
Various websites also saying that spurs are in negotiation with Roma over Lamela are to agree 35 million euro deal. On the other hand it is being also said that they are almost done with a deal for willian in the region on 30 million too. On top of they say they won't sell bale

Something doesn't quite add up

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Its called speculate to accumulate. I read Levy wouldn't sell Bale for the reported £80m, when linked to RM in press, because the CL generated £80m from sponsers and TV.

It was not worth them selling him as he would help them to top four and they would get the £80m and still have him.

FSG want CL football, the £80m it brings and what again have they spent this summer? Nothing.
Oh but they've spent loads in last 2 years. Yeah, they also recouped loads too. Biggest ever shirt deal, sponser deal, TV package, player sales etc. let's not paint them all rosey heros saving our club. There is still debt? But they have all this cash? They bought the club cheap, epic swindle. Should have been someone able to afford to buy the clean clean and clear debts for a clean slate.
Think if you want to own a Ferrari you should also consider the running costs and not just keep it in the garage.

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20 Aug 2013 13:39:25
i understand people upset with the william rumour nothing has been confirmed officially all paper talk, however Liverpool always said they won't go into a bidding war for players.
lets judge ian ayre and co when the window closes they might have something up there sleeve

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Lets hope there's more up his sleeve [other than his arm] than this time last year.

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20 Aug 2013 13:17:04
Oh my god. Willian hasn't even signed for them yet and you guys are going crazy. OFF WITH AYRES HEAD! Please have a little intelligence about you. If the player prefers Tottenham, we can't brainwash him to join Liverpool. We have a good squad, we will strengthen farther, and it won't be the last player we "miss out on". Seriously, grow up. And another thing, if it was over a few million pounds, then good! I don't want the club to overpay anymore. They have conducted business very well. Sounds like Arsenal supporters and we had signed 4, nearly 5 first team players.

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Because all fans already have same experience with mkht, sneijder(good bcause we get coutinho), and juan mata

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Its not that he prefers Spurs is it. Anzi have a sale price. Spurs have matched it and can discuss terms.
We haven't, we've bid lower.
Rings any bells? Suarez?
So on the high horse saying Arsenal under bid, the value is X bid that and we'll talk. Yet when we buy, get off the horse, under bid and its all over because London is amazing and Spurs over pay? No.
We were given a price, as we were with HM, Squierra, Papa, Ilori, Costa and we cannot afford it, move onto option D, whoever that is? Turan?

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20 Aug 2013 12:57:55
If the reports are true about willian to spurs this is disappointing news. he would be a quality signing for us. and with damiao looking like he's staying in brazil I can't see any alternative options! anyone know of any other targets if willian does choose spurs?

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Turan.
Cheaper than all other targets A, B and C.

Option D it is.

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Lets hope we have an option H, because the way we negotiate now we will not be getting anyone of any note this window.

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20 Aug 2013 13:57:21
I think its time people realize and accept that we are not the attraction to top players that we used to be. It has been a good number of years without Champions League and weak league performances.

I believe that the clubs management are working really hard to get in quality signings but face an uphill battle due to our stature currently.

For me the best route for us to try return to former glories and stature is to sign young players with hunger and potential and turn them and the squad in to the finished article. (Similar to Arsenal in the late '90's, eventually developing the 'invincibles')

This strategy may take a while but at least it is organic and sustainable providing we can hold on to the player who develop from young talents to the complete article.

This season I would be happy if we play good attacking football, have a good challenge for 4th and maybe one of the cups.

Players like Willian may be great and would have made thing easier perhaps, but sometimes we have to accept our reality and give the club, managers and players our 100% support.

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20 Aug 2013 13:55:45
To be honest, I can't help but feel that Willian would have been a bit of an 'impulse buy'. Assuming he is off to Spurs which seems to be the case, their interest in him goes back a lot longer than ours (it was more us trying to nick their player than vice versa), I am not sure he was the right man for us anyway. In my opinion we need someone a bit more direct (like Costa or HM), Willian is a bit less so, and for 30 odd million I think it would have been a bit of an error. As good as he might be at what he does, he doesn't really score enough. IF Suarez stays, we can wait until January or until next summer. If Suarez goes, we really do need a good replacement, but may not get one. No fault of anyone - there's not many players out there for sale - just ask Wenger!

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20 Aug 2013 13:52:41
I don't know what all the moaning is for we, missed on a couple of targets this year deal with it and move on.Our priamary objective should be a cb first rather than splash the cash on willian.Liverpool are well managed now and we won't pay more than our valuation for any player What we need to do now is identify another target and see if we can sign him asap.united have missed out on thiago, fabregas and you don't see their fans moaning(they are the freaking champs)so who do yo think we are that players won't snub us?all we have is our history players would choose spurs over us anytime because its obvious they have a better chance of making top4.Wake up to reality and stop living in wonderland

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Wow, spoken like a true LFC fan. Always choose Spurs over us because they have a better chance of top four and CL football. Makes me sick.
Shouldn’t LFC be making sure LFC are the ones with the best chance for CL football. Should we be making sure top players want to come to us? Shouldn’t LFC be showing the loyal fan base we will compete and become great again.
Why should we have the same low targets of Swansea and Fulham, West Ham etc and hope to get into Europe? Maybe a cup run?
Sad Times.

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Crunch, you sound like a person I could be friends with. Its sad how we always just talk of top 4, set our bloody sights higher, reach for the stars and we might just surprise ourselves. Low ambition manager and owners methinks.

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20 Aug 2013 13:49:42
Great signings by spurs I guess it's goodbye champions league for Liverpool, spurs the Manchester teams and Chelsea will be to strong for the rest

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20 Aug 2013 13:49:35
Erik Lamela is apparently costing Spurs £30m and 65k a week. Surely we could try and steal him by offering more than that. Liverpool can't allow Spurs to spend there way to top 4. It could be too late already!

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20 Aug 2013 13:29:58
I get to laugh when some here says. we are moving in the right direction.
yes Its true we are moving in the right direction.
But what chelsea, city, UTD, and Spurs?
are they moving in the wrong direction?
Most of the clubs are moving in the right direction, But the speed is the key, we are pretty slow and others are flying.

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20 Aug 2013 13:25:53
Looks as though the Bale deal must be done, if these Willian rumours are true? Can't believe spurs could afford to spend another £30+ million if not.
It really is frustrating that we keep loosing out on players to our nearest top 4 rival. Unfortunately London seems to be a preferred destination for a lot of foreign players.
Stop blaming Ian Ayre etc. Most layperson have no idea what happens in these negotiations!

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20 Aug 2013 15:31:02
Its pretty simple. they would look where we finished in past 3 seaosns. way way below the order. and all these players would like to win trophies, they ain't born in Liverpool.

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20 Aug 2013 13:20:29
Willian was very rarely mentioned on this site before Liverpool's reported interest.

I'm sure some of you closets will disagree but he wasn't the name of the month as he has been lately.

Anyway, I suspect there's more twists 'n' turns to this.

Stop moaning egg-heads.

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20 Aug 2013 13:17:38
If Willan does decide to move to Spurs then it cannot be a shock. Spurs offer European football and are closer to Champions League than we are (even without Bale they have made excellent signings which will be hit or miss).

Should we throw our toys of the pram or continue what we are doing? Let's understand that it is a process to improve and another process to improve faster than your competitors.

We are improving. We are catching up. But we are not quite there.

All it takes is our summer signings and youngsters to fall into place similar to Coutinho and Sturridge did and we take another step closer.

The bar keeps on lifting higher and higher. Let's keep the faith and follow our successful plan. When he hit the top 4 jackpot, then we can go back to plan A and buy proven players rather than under the radar potential.

We will get there. It is a question of when not if.

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20 Aug 2013 15:31:59
Seriously, Now its in countho and sturridge shoulders to take up to Top 4.
One minor injury to any of these. and we are screwed.

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20 Aug 2013 13:17:13
if willian signs for spurs they will be playing for top places.
manu, man c, chelsea, spurs have left arsenal and us behind.
history is repeating itself over and over again.
back in 06/07 we had a good team and a few players away from being great and I see the same happening now.
aspas/alberto/toure are all good buys, but last sunday we played the same as we did last season, everybody got carried away with the penalty stop.
i just don't get it how can spurs be spending all this money unless bale will go.
arsenal are trying to buy players and its on tv/news that they are late.
if arsenal are late where does that leave us?
how we went for cissokho is beyond me seen him play several times and he is nothing special.
i agree when br says it takes time to get where we want to be, but getting another assaidi in does not make sence.
last summer we bought allen/assaidi/borini and none have produced the goods.
borini will come good he has that goal instinct that only a few players have but he needs time.
allen is a good player but when you don't have enough money you need to be clever.
mark my words, eriksen will be playing for a big team soon and we could have bought him.
i am not happy with this transfer window let's hope we get 2/3 starters in before it closes.
but we are late just as arsenal are.
Malta

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20 Aug 2013 15:34:16
allen will not make into a top 4 side, apart from Liverpool.
Borini is good, But never atop 4 quality striker.
Asaps bought this summer is getting more game than Borini.
I just don't understand how on earth did we sanctioned a signing on fees for Allen, who just had one EPL seaosn. and here people moan at suarez owing 2 mill loyalty bonus.

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20 Aug 2013 13:16:14
hi eds, haven't posted in a while. I was just wondering, now that it seems willian is going to join spurs, do you know of anyone else that is similar to him i.e in position, ability, price etc that the club are looking at or potentially may make a move for.
Thanks {Ed030's Note - Yarmelenko,Konaplyanka,Gaitan,Turan and Ayew to name a few. }

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Hey ed 030, do you know of any interest from Liverpool in any of these players. Also what is your opinion on those players, which do you think would fit in best. I personally think Turan would be the best option, but would like to get your opinion.
Thanks a lot {Ed030's Note - I like all them mate,I only listed the players because I think there good players,No idea sorry mate. }

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20 Aug 2013 13:15:39
This is a huge drop in confidence for the players, there just like the fans when it comes to transfers. They'll be sitting there this morning knowing we've lost out to spurs our main top 4 contender! To a great player who would have put us ahead of them! This is why Suarez wants to leave, he knows, this is why Torres left to. Top players no were not going anywhere right now. We're gunna have to prove them wrong buying lesser unproven talent and hope they turn out good, I.e coutinho sturridge. I hope they something else up there sleeve because spurs have top 4 in the bag right now! {Ed030's Note - It wont affect the players at all,The club obviously decided the player wasn't worth what Anzhi wanted for him. }

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LOOL orrrrrr, chelsea offered higher wages? orrrrrrrrrr suarez wanted more money? The players we are buying may not be big money signings but they want to play for the badge, that is the difference, spurs buying all these players, you think there going to gel instantly? as someone said earlier they are taking a huge risk so concentrate on your own club and have faith in what Brendan and the gang an do

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20 Aug 2013 15:35:52
Calamity.
What are you talking. are all these players born at Liverpool to be in love with our club and play their whol life for us?
theya re foreign players, and they seeks better opportunities outside.

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True but what I am trying to say is that these signings are not big money signings who every tom dick and harry are trying to sign, these players want to play for us and not for the money, they want to prove themselves, tottenham are buying big yes but that does not mean they are guaranteed success, if they fail then these players will leave, so what I'm trying to say is stop worrying about tottenham as big money signings are not always the way forward.

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20 Aug 2013 13:12:00
hi eds and reds it seems that willian is going to spurs. would you agree it appears either, we are interested in or try for these players ( mickey, costa, willian) and either fail to reach agreements with the clubs or the players or both? who is reponsible for these negotiations? ayre? whoever it is, isn't having much success, although we have succeeded in securing cheaper options. maybe that's were the problem is. money! I've felt for some time now, and posted on here, that these bigger names, or "marquee" signings might be unrealistic. having said that, i'd refer back to steven gerrards interview when he said that if we can get two marquee signings and suarez to stay we could achieve fourth place this season. confused! great result saturday, looked like great team spirit, toure was fantastic. come on redmen! godbess96 steviep62.

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20 Aug 2013 12:57:45
What a joke we are becoming! Never thought i'd see the day a player like willian would opt to join spurs ahead of Liverpool! Penny pinching again. If u don't have the money to buy a 30m player then don't bother starting negotiations! We'll prolly go in for ince or Sinclair now just to " add to the group" {Ed030's Note - Even I am not getting as worked up about this as you,The money is there to buy players it's just finding the tight ones. }

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So Willian and Lamela are not the right ones?

thats such a cop out saying that players can't be found. Spurs seems to do ok finding them. {Ed030's Note - Spurs are finding players that suit there style and budget. }

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20 Aug 2013 15:36:41
Ed030, do spurs the same 4-2-3-1 formation we does?. or 4-4-3? {Ed030's Note - They change there formation quite a lot,What I meant by finding the right players is finding players who are within the amount of money you want to spend,The player wanting to sign,The tight position and many other factors. }

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20 Aug 2013 12:48:47
Hey eds, just read Arda Turan's agent quote that Liverpool and Arsenal are interested in him.

Is he trying to build up more interest or is there actually an interest? {Ed030's Note - Trying to build up interest,That's his job. }

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20 Aug 2013 12:42:01
well.you have to hand it to spurs. they speculate to accumulate, they don't insult teams like Liverpool do. and REPEATEDLY offer way below the asking price with every player.

thats 3-0 to spurs haha.

im a Liverpool fan. but I have to laugh at how they beat us every time at improving the squad, and we fight for scraps.

ian ayre. what can I say to a man with no game!

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Good luck to them.

Let's see what happens next year with their payroll filled with highly paid players if they don't make the CL and AVB dumps them for Real.

We will be stable. Will they?

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20 Aug 2013 15:37:43
Fireball

you are delude, with FFP loming we would fail, our expense are more than Revenue, If spurs get CLm, that would improve them vastly.

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20 Aug 2013 12:38:25
Looks like you are becoming boring with these "looks like" posts. Tottenham have not even bid for the player.

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20 Aug 2013 12:38:19
Willian Set to reject us? perfect we don't need him especially for 26m we need finishers not creators 25 shots vs stoke 1 goal says it all

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Completely agree!

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20 Aug 2013 16:40:37
we can have only 11 players on the pitch.

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20 Aug 2013 12:38:04
Someone here said Fernandino isn't a 30 mill player.
get a grip, I watched the game yesterday, he was superb, simply superb.with him and yaya toure. they have argubly the best midfield in the League.

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20 Aug 2013 12:33:04
Not Liverpool related but a valid point considering theyv been after Suarez, where do Arsenal dream up their valuations? They offer a 'fair' amount for Suarez but other than that they constantly offer truly offensive amounts at inappropriate times. They came out saying Suarez should improve his behaviour and rightly so, but they need to improve their etiquette. Cabaye is worth closer to 20m than 10, around 17 is probably a good offer. How they can throw stones about behaviour and then unsettle a player the day before a massive match?

Shameful stuff from a 'classy' club

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That's very much Liverpool related

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20 Aug 2013 13:12:04
There are a lot of so called fans coming on slagging of certain people at the club for 'supposedly' missing out on another so called target. NO ONE on this site knows if Willian was a target or not. If he goes to Spurs well so be it. They have European football to offer, and can also point to the top players they have already signed as an indication of real ambition.

What we must realize is that while we have incredible support around the world that doen't mean this will have enough pull for a certain type of player who wants to be playing at the highest level, which at Liverpool they won't be able to do right now.

Of course, this will be a problem until we can offer more than just our name.

As I have worked for 2 American 'bosses' I know from experience that talk is cheap, and boy, do they like to talk.

To be honest, I don't think we have been in serious negotiations with any 'marque' players, rather just going through the motions (like Arsenal) just in case LS went (and, who knows, he still might).

FSG are not going to spend 'big' so forget all the big names.

If we can continue to pick up some gems at decent prices, then maybe, just maybe in 3/4 seasons we might get back into the CL. This will be a massive challenge, because the present encumbents will continue their massive spending to ensure they stay in the competition.

KBL

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Everything looked good until you said 3/4 yrs to get CL football.

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20 Aug 2013 14:42:29
eds we already have the so called gems at Liverpool jordan ibe for instance .jordan ibe looks a brilliant player in the making.also judging from his interviews on lfc tv he is a really grounded nice lad and just wants to do well for lfc.

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Or maybe the Rodgers and the scouts just don't rate Willian enough to fork over 30m+?

And if Suarez stays, where will he play? Beside Coutinho? We will get overrun in midfield.

Too many people looking to have a pop at FSG at every opportunity.

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20 Aug 2013 13:10:40
willian is going to london to meet spurs first then us to decide, papers have jumped on the wagon that he's arrived in london, decision will be made in the players own time

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Well said, most media have no idea. The media love Spurs for some unknown reason. We shall see, if we get him great, if not, move to next target

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20 Aug 2013 13:08:55
Hello all. What's our thoughts on Micah Richards for the Reds? Is he even available? Have Liverpool followed up their previously stated interest? Thanks.

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20 Aug 2013 13:00:22
The website had gone nuts from what I gather everyone spurs have a interest in lamela, AVB has stated there has been no Bid Liverpool have stated there has been no Bid, and it seems any deal is a long way off. People need to chill before slagging the club off we are not in europe, and we have to create a vision that LFC are going to be the next big thing,

Im going to be honest that if players are not full on commited I don't want them in the club, I.E suarez, but if there here to work hard and get this club back on top bring them on. Come on Red Men and cheers EDs for the great site.

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20 Aug 2013 12:55:12
Why r so called fans saying Ayre is not doing his job if spurs r willing to pay more than us then their is no point getting in2a a bidding war. Bale is a off to Madrid & basically that is funding their spending spree. If a team was coming in for suarez with 80+mill then we would be doing the same. Let's face facts in the past when we have spent money we have not been as wise ie Carroll downing etc. I say good luck to spurs & Levy as far as business gose they have us beat considering we r a bigger club. If u want to blame anyone then blame Hicks & Gillet end of. Their short term running of the club has set us back 10 years. Now maybe we have missed another target there r others for sale spurs can't buy every player. Thing is I know we have top aspirations & I think we will give it a good go but if we do fail then we try again next year because as a fan that's all u can do is support the team.

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20 Aug 2013 12:50:51
we're lnked with hundreds of players every transfer window and when they all don't happen people moan. if they all did happen we would have 1 mahoosive squad lol. I trust br and what he's doing so if we miss any speculated targets I won't lose much sleep. i'm sure we've got more than just willian been looked at if he doesn't come.

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20 Aug 2013 12:30:51
Why is everyone moaning about Willian signing for the spuds? If our bid matches theirs yet he wants to sign for them, then fair play to them. If his heart is not here, then forget about him - I only want players who have passion for our club, like Cissokho and Aspas.

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20 Aug 2013 12:28:14
Liverpool have no intension of signing a marquee player, it's just posturing for the fans, so they can say we tried to sign willian, pappa, sakho, still nevermind we have made the team stronger with some squad players.

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LOL. No .

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20 Aug 2013 12:25:35
Got a funny feeling Eriksen's name is going to pop again this week!

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20 Aug 2013 12:22:48
For what it's worth I think we will get better player for the club than Willian, for less money in the next couple of weeks. Arda Turan i'm hoping.

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20 Aug 2013 12:22:37
Turan or Damiao now I'd say

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20 Aug 2013 12:22:10
Have to say amazing business by Spurs this summer.

Looks like thay have not only got WILLIAN but LAMELA too!

Ins this summer equates to around £120m for Spurs - Capoue / soldado / Willian / Lamela / Chadli / Paulinho.

If Bale goes for £90m. then they have got 6 amazing players for a net cost of £30m!

Now FSG need to see how business is done. Spurs have cutely got everyone in before BALE to RM is announced as this way they are not payinmg inflated prices.

Looks like it will be very difficult, nigh on impossible to get 4th place now imo.

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Hmm, they will still have to play 11 players.

or maybe they will start with 4 wingers, 4 holding midfielders, 3 attacking midfielders and 2 strikers?

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20 Aug 2013 12:17:54
Tell you the truth I'm not really botherd if we don't get willian.

Firstly I bet half of you had not even heard off willian up until a week ago, so don't see why your botherd if we've missed out on him.

Secondly for me his goal scoring record is rubbish and he's hardly been playing in top leagues has he.

Hope we go for turan personally he would be a lot better signing than willian.

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20 Aug 2013 12:08:08
Seems like we have missed the boat with Willian with everywhere claiming Spurs have clinched it. Can't help thinking getting King Kenny back to deal with transfer negotiations will be good business for us (Not the picking of the players though!). Ayre and Hogan can't seem to get anything done, when Kenny was in charge on the academy dealing we seem to get everyone we wished for. Got to make more of a first impression speaking to Kenny than them two, and we know how good Kenny is at man management.

seems the story of our summer and last summer, just can't seem to get the deals over the line and I fear it could cost us again.

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20 Aug 2013 12:05:35
Surely after missing out on all these supposed targets, FSG have to get rid of Arye and/or install a Director of Football or a business like director ala Levy to negotiate these deals and get them done. Quite annoying we leak everything to the press and nothing comes off we just look stupid. An annoyed Red. {Ed001's Note - nothing is leaked to the press from the club.}

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20 Aug 2013 12:05:14
Hi great site and great work by you guys. It is very addictive. I need to join a Liverpool rumours anonymous group. I am feeling very hopeful about the season but have just seen spurs are now 1-6 to sign Willian. These big transfer setbacks are mounting up and I don't understand where we are going wrong. Are we trying to be too cute or clever and do we need to get in some professional negotiator to tie up these deals. Rambling now, too many sleepless night anticipating HM, then Diego Costa and now Willian, and looks like they have all fallen through.

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20 Aug 2013 11:57:29
ok so willian is on his way to Spurs, who else is out there that can play left inside forward? turan? muniean(spelling)? and we have sold downing not a big loss but leave us short of players we need to ask fast and well, please post in rumours
Cheers
Wokoscouse

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20 Aug 2013 11:57:27
dissapointed to hear willian going to spurs.

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20 Aug 2013 11:50:10
If reports are to be believed than we have missed out on another transfer target in Willian to Spurs, personally I don't believe it as reports also have Spurs reportedly close to signing Erik Lamela who's agents are supposedly in London to thrash out a deal according to ssn, I don't believe for one moment that Spurs will have the money to buy both Willian & Lamela as they have already invested heavily and if Madrid abandon plans to sign Bale due to the asking price where does that leave Spurs who I believe are getting there business done so IF Bale leaves than they won't have to play inflated prices for there targets.

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20 Aug 2013 11:42:34
Looks likely that Willian has gone to Spurs. Eds do we have a contigency? Rodgers clearly stated we need a left sided attack mined midfeilder. Is TUran or Lamela of interest?

With Spurs going all out to strengthen their squad, its looking tough for a top 4 place this year. We simply have to keep hold of Suarez now, if we lose him towards the end of the window it will be a disastrous transfer window. {Ed001's Note - there are always other options and I fail to see how losing Suarez is a disastrous window anyway. We have bought well, we just need to add some strength in depth now.}

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20 Aug 2013 11:41:53
Eds, What is our intention with Martin Kelly? I rate him very highly (long time since I've seen him play a competitive game mind) but do the club think that come next season, or whenever Johnson stops, they're going to have to outsource? Or do they perceive Kelly as the natural replacement. {Ed001's Note - I expect Kelly to get a few games at centre half, as cover there, probably in the cups, as things stand. Obviously it depends on who we buy, but there is a feeling he is going to have his future there.}

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20 Aug 2013 11:38:44
It seems like Liverpool cannot attract players anymore another lost from Spurs, spurs area just getting stronger and stronger how r we going to compete for a champions league spot

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20 Aug 2013 11:31:56
Willian will be flying into the UK today to choose Liverpool or Tottenham, so i'd say we will find out later tonight what's happening.

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Off to Spurs. Liverpool wouldn't pay over their valuation, Tottenham would. Same old stuff. Slipping further and further behind the teams at the top.

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20 Aug 2013 11:24:13
Willian spotted at Heathrow, (as reported by DM) en route to Spurs for a Medical. Looks like Spurs have stolen the march at the vital time.

Just seems Spurs do their business very quickly while we negotiate and keep it in the press for a week to 10 days before anything happens.

Would much prefer Ian Ayre and FSG to learn of Daniel Levy on how to conduct negotiations quickly.

Its clear Bale is a goner now as Spurs will have spent £80m after Willian signs and now have CAPOUE, CHADLI, PAULINHO and WILLIAN in a revamped midfield, add to them DEMBELE, SIGURDSON and SANDRO and they look strong.

Just wish Liverpool would go back to old way of signing players whwn nothing ever got reported til the press conference and everything was signed. Now we have a circus for weeks beforehand as we had with everyone knowing for a week to 10 days before we signed Aspas, Toure, ALberto and Mignolet.

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Avb apparently have been interested in him for a few years now.

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While lfc have been spending money spurs have not. I think spurs can afford to keep Bale they havin get all the money for modric yet too.

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Not easy doing it "the old way" as agents in the old days didn't do business like they do now.
The players Agent deliberately leak bids so to get other clubs to bid and it creates a bidding war where they will eventually get a larger commission. The clubs may keep their dealing quiet but when it comes to speaking to the player you have to go through the agent who then leaks the info.

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It's man management. I remember when we signed Suarez Kenny himself went to see the player to convince him to join Liverpool. Rodgers needs to get more involved! Also spurs are spending the bale money, and can offer 35m where we can't. It's not ayres fault mate. Trying to sign top players when your owners have given you a limited budget ain't easy!

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There buying Lamela Willian and Coentroa and still have some left over after Bales gone. In my opinion Liverpool need to get one of Willian or Lamela and even at that they are still up against it for top 4.

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True that mate, Daniel Levy conducts his business extremely well and does not get held to ransom unlike most chairmen, we could of got Mkhitaryan had we not made it public and payed the extra £2M-£3M, Costa didn't want to come and Willian choose Spurs as we took too long again, question is now who do we go for given that we have now lost out on 3 big name players. Rumour has it it may well be Leandro Damiao but I can't see it as Sturridge would be pushed out wide to accomadate him which I don't think he would like. {Ed001's Note - we couldn't get the Armenian because we couldn't agree a deal with the 3rd party owners. Nothing to do with extra money. He was able to go to a club who didn't need to worry about that, their league doesn't forbid 3rd party ownership, so they just bought the club's share only.}

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20 Aug 2013 13:34:11
But do we actually had a decent competition on Aspas, Toure, ALberto and Mignolet these 5 players?.
The moment we shifted from 4-3-3 to 4-2-3-1 with coutinho the perfect No.10, It was clear we needed a strong LW coming seaosn to finsh in top4.
what were these people doing behind the scenes?
Is Br pretty much happy with the current squad?
We have two big games coming. Aston villa would be very difficult, and they play 4-3-3 formation.
UTD is always difficult home or away, we need results.

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20 Aug 2013 13:39:40
You are kidding right?

What about Soldado?

There was a will he won't he for quite some time about Soldado. The negotiation was also something like -

Mr Levy - "I'll give you 18 million euros"
Valencia - "No, the release clause is 30 million euros"
Mr Levy - "I'll give you 22 million euros"
Valencia - "No, the release clause is 30 million euros"
Mr Levy - "I'll give you 25 million euros"
Valencia - "No, the release clause is 30 million euros"
Mr Levy - "Forget it then"
Valencia - "OK then"
Mr Levy - "Oh wait - hang on I'll give you 30 million euros"
Valencia - "There we go that wasn't so hard was it"

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20 Aug 2013 13:44:12
I would be so disappointed with this if it turned out to be true, I really believed he was the kind of player we needed. I also question whether our reported interest in Arda Turan is even legitimate as the ed's don't seem to know much about it and we have had plenty of opportunities to move for him before and never opted to.

Other people have mentioned players such as Dzsudszak and Konoplyanka as replacement targets but neither of which do I personally believe to be as talented as Willian and there has been no actual confirmation of interest in either of these two if Willian/Arda were to be missed out on.

Finally Leandro Damiao has been mentioned as a target but this one baffles me personally, our previous target Mkhitaryan & Willian can both play anywhere across a front line and are both suited for BR's positional rotation policy. However if Damiao was to be signed this would mean we would now have 4 CF's in Sturridge, Borini, Suarez and Damiao. I cannot see an on form Sturridge being too pleased with being forced out wide again to accommodate Damiao and the same possibly said for Suarez, yes Damiao is an undoubtedly talented talented player but I personally don't think he fits the bill for the kind of player BR is trying to buy (a flexible, pacy LW who allows Coutinho to play in a more central role).

Interested to hear your opinions ed's and fellow posters.
Cheers.

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Actually, Spurs would have spend close to £90 million when they sign Willian.

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20 Aug 2013 14:41:45
good luck to spurs keeping all them players happy in a world cup year but you have to say they seem to get the players they want fair play that's how you will break into top 4 and beyond, maybe if fsg got someone else on board to do a job like baldini does for spurs maybe that's what billy hogan does I don't really know.

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20 Aug 2013 11:20:39
Seems like we have missed the boat with Willian with everywhere claiming Spurs have clinched it. Can't help thinking getting King Kenny back to deal with transfer negotiations will be good business for us (Not the picking of the players though!). Ayre and Hogan can't seem to get anything done, when Kenny was in charge on the academy dealing we seem to get everyone we wished for. Got to make more of a first impression speaking to Kenny than them two, and we know how good Kenny is at man management.

seems the story of our summer and last summer, just can't seem to get the deals over the line and I fear it could cost us again.

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20 Aug 2013 12:19:02
nonsense. It was Kenny and his wasted millions on caroll and downing,, we are in deep rubbish.
which transfer did they pulled out?
paying 200% over the odds on average one seaosn wonders.
stop you rubbish. If Br had the financial muscle that Kk enjoyed we would be fighting for the title.
I still can't believe, 5 times CL winners Liverpool Biggest transfer is a flop andy carroll.

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The reports say that Willian and Lamela have flown in to London. Both reports credit Spurs as the likely destinations.

Not entirely convinced that they will get both. However Tottenham signed Sigurdson and Dempsey last season and a lot of people were "gutted". Look what happened there.

We already have Sturridge Aspas Coutinho Suarez Sterling and Ibe competing for first team places.
Plenty of talent there. Nice to add to it but no disaster if not.

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Frustrates me reading this!

Do you follow our club? Get a grip!

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20 Aug 2013 11:18:36
Looks like we are going to miss out on Willian.

Have to say Spurs are spending very well this year going for the champions league spot. If they do sell Bale and invest in Soldado, Paulinho, Capoue, willian and lamela as looks a possibility, the best signing they mad was Franco Baldini.

It shows what a good Director of Football can do. I think we maybe lacking that person at Liverpool that can drive deals through because of their little black book. This year we seem to be unable to sell the club to anybody when we have had competition.

Maybe it is time to look at a somebody that has that again. And not somebody like Comolli that was useless.

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Yeah spurs are annoyingly efficient with transfers regardless of whether this deal happens.

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Said weeks ago, Spurs are a shoe in for top 4.
Its between us, Arsenal and Man U for the remaing spot.

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If spuds don't get into the CL by the end of the season (and I'm not even saying 4th - with the squad strength they should automatically qualify), heads will roll

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Well without champions league qualification all that would be able to attract big name players is money. And perhaps what FSG is doing is right. Why should they pay over the odds for players just because we don't have champions league. We rather pay true value and if the teams won't sell then too bad, and if the players won't come, we rather buy cheap, get the best out of what we have and boost the team spirit of the group and qualify for champions league then go for the bigger names at the right price. This Marquee signing signing belief is overrated. Leave that to AFC. We are no where near desperate. The team has structure.

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It probably helps a bit if you have £93 Million sloshing around your bank account from Madrid buying Gareth Bale.

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20 Aug 2013 11:18:05
looks like the willian chse is over. Spurs have agreed a deal to sign him for 30 million and he is in london for a medical. can't they get their own scout?

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Ha ha clev, we were scouting him over a YEAR ago but were outpriced on this one budy it is YOU and not us that have been borrowing scouts, although it does seem to happen a lot between our two great clubs. no confirmation we are in for him yet this could be russia trying to get you to up your bis. we are in for lamela hopefully and I doubt we need both, who knows though

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Totally clueless!

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Spurs have been after the player for over a year. Levy flew to Russia in Jan to get him. No point blaming spurs I think they are creating a great side just hope we can sign a few more players to push for CL.

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Can't we have their negotiators? We are a laughing stock.

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20 Aug 2013 13:15:13
They were in for him way b4 us!

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20 Aug 2013 11:16:16
Liverpool miss out again on another player once again snapped up by spurs what is ayre doing?

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20 Aug 2013 12:22:37
he would have submitted an offer which Liverpool can put on the table.
Spurs have money, and that's the differnece.
and when we have it. we waste it on borini and other craps.
How bad this club ahs fallen.
11 mil striker. played at u 21. can't get a game in senior team. pathetic signing

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He is doing a quick spin on his Harley.

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20 Aug 2013 11:11:35
It's becoming a sad reality that Liverpool seem to be taken as a club 'with history' who are now outside the English elite. Spurs are now way ahead of us in terms of attracting players and, it must be said, superb at using Liverpool's scouts to identify targets and move in to successfully steal them at the last hurdle.
Not only that but we have trouble holding on to our top scorer too.
It seems that unless we can redress the balance we will have little chance of getting Champions League football back to Anfield. And unless we get CL football back to Anfield we have little chance of getting in the players we need. Catch 22 methinks and something must be done, and fast. {Ed001's Note - Spurs do not in any way use our scouts, I wish people would grow up and stop whining because we sometimes happen to be after the same players.}

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I think people underestimate the pull of the capital.
Football is show business, and unless clubs are willing to pay stupid wages ( ala Citeh) then London is a massive pull with everything else that goes on there.
What we want is a young team who are just making their way in the game.
People are moaning about Spurs getting Willian, presumably forgetting these purchases are to reinforce them about to lose their best player.
Same would go for us with Suarez, if we sold him for silly money because someone wanted him, we would be able to strengthen all round.

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20 Aug 2013 12:24:44
Ed01, Spot on. can't understand how people moan at the scouting system. Eventhough some of their previous candidates were awful, its all about competition.
and spurs do are a attractive project like us,, and unfortuantly they don't waste money like us.

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A team can have all the names, but that don't automatically get them results. If spurs don't make champions league qualification all those players will be wanting out and won't stick around for more than 2 seasons.

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Ed001 it's nothing to do with growing up - I'm doubtless older than you. The point I am making is it seems all too frequent that Spurs come in for our targets and succeed in getting them. Can you argue with that? Or is that too childish? {Ed001's Note - it is about growing up and showing a bit of maturity and accepting that there are only so many players in the ability range and price bracket both clubs are looking in. It is nothing to do with them following our scouts around or any other foolish, childish fantasy people keep posting on here about.}

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20 Aug 2013 11:02:03
Hai Ed great site. and great work as usual.

I think spurs have won the race for willian, as reports coming out.
Daaamm. he would have been a great signing, We simply cannot compete against anyone these days.
I won't blame BR, (expecpt Borini and allen purchanse) he simply is helpless.
Spurs do have some serious Ba** and they must get into CL next seaosn, they do have money and willian is a perfect replacement for Bale.
They were avearge 3 seaons back when we had the money, I ll never ever forget KK and Commolil in wasting our Money.
Should sue them.

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20 Aug 2013 12:26:55
Harry, your constant whining and bi-polar opinions are usually okay for a good laugh. really, they are quite amusing. Any shred of respect, or chance of earning some that you had has just been removed permanently purely because you just suggesting taking Dlalgish to court. After everything he has done for this club? A couple of big money deals go tits up and you want him lynched? I actually pity you.

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Why so down on Fabio? He was MoM yesterday v Manchester United U21's. He is very highly regarded by Italian national team, for sure he's a little rough, but to write the kid off when he hasn't had a full season is tough. He is always 100% committed, I would rather have that than a bunch of mercenaries that play for themselves and not the Team.

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Yeah 3 seasons ago when they were in the champions league

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20 Aug 2013 10:46:17
Russian News paper reports this morning that Tottenham have beaten Liverpool to signing of Willian, reports surfacing in Russia this morning suggest Tottenham have agreed a deal to sign Brazilian winger Willian, Liverpool's main transfer target.
Tottenham have reached an agreement in principal with Anzhi for Willian believed to around E35mil. The probability of the transaction is very high.
The player will now undergo a medical and contract negotiations.
I hope its just a roumer.

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20 Aug 2013 10:46:02
Just hearing on all Russian media outlets that SPURS have agreed a deal with Anjhi re: Willian.

Terms are 35m Euros plus future sell on fee.

Pending medical and personal terms now. :(

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The russian media is in general just as bad as the english and spanish media

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20 Aug 2013 10:39:27
I'm aware that this might come off as a bit of a moan but I am tired of being told about Liverpools "declared" interest in marquee signings. If you want a player and he is your first choice option, the player says your club is great, the club is willing to sell and you know the price it will take then surely you put in a bid.

Mhkitaryan, Costa and now Willian have all been talked about Liverpool have declared interest and are prepared to pay £25m, £22m, £30m but not one bid has been put down on any of those players and also those players wage demands would not come close to breaking the wage structure.

I think they are too busy drawing up contingency lists than going after the players they want. Would love nothing more than to be proven wrong.

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20 Aug 2013 12:36:21
The problem is. this should have done in the beginig of the window. we never did that. instead we bought squad players who I think would be the first team players. we are struggling to get a decent LB, forget willian.
I mean if u think from a players point of view, we finished 7th last seaosn, 7th previous. 8th before. its a huge gamble to choose us. spurs missed CL very narrowly. {Ed001's Note - we've got a left back, what are you talking about?}

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It's the owners mate, ayre can't do much when he's told to offer 10m less an no more! There doing business smart because of what happend with Kenny.
I still think we shouldn't even bother trying if u can't offer what the club want!

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Your wrong fact.

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20 Aug 2013 10:37:59
So Willian is off to Spurs.
Please Ian Ayre and the rest of your staff, do us a favor and just leave.
Lets just stick to bargain and unknown players and don't attempt another big star signing, can't take another heartbreak!

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If we don't get him it just because we're not willing to overpay for a player. Shows that the have principles, and are not reckless, spineless irrational. Also we're not as desperate as AFC.

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20 Aug 2013 12:34:06
Why is it Ayre's fault that a player chooses another club? Should Liverpool offer way over the odds (like with Carroll and Downing) for a player? If he wants to live in London and play in Europe, there's not much Ayre can do.

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20 Aug 2013 10:20:55
There is some sort of obstacle in the Willian deal, however the club remain very confident that it can be overcome by the end of the week at the latest.

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He's going to Spurs!

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Is that obstacle White and cockney? Lol
I imagine it could be a work permit or something, these players seem to have a lot of baggage.

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From all the reports it looks like spurs have beat us to willian and is due to have a medical with spurs this week?

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20 Aug 2013 11:48:11
there is some russian journalist saying a deal has been agreed with spurs and rumour has it we are moving for arda turan instead but arsenal r going against us for turan its in the echo.

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Yeah, it's called Spurs!

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Just seen he is off to slurs is that the obstacle?

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20 Aug 2013 10:18:04
I seriously can't see Anzhi taking Liverpools bid seriously. Its a fair bit below what City had offered a while back and the percentage of a future transfer is loaded with danger. I mean he might actually be happy at Liverpool and maybe move back home in his 30s. Its a no go for me unless they go back with another offer. I also have to say that i'm apprehensive about paying 30/35 million for 1 player. I don't think we should be looking for such expensive players.

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Wow!
Where are you getting your information?
Does anyone really know what is going on apart from the nonsense printed in newspapers?
Get behind your team!
We are going to be such a force this season.
Who cares if Willian signs?
Who cares if he goes to Spurs?
We have the youngest, quickest, most exciting squad in the league.
We are going to begin to dominate again for years to come.
If you want to support a club that spends millions on players for no other reason than they have money to burn then they're are plenty there are plenty of options in this league.

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As it's not my money I'm perfectly fine about spending 30m on one player.
Only on the condition that it's not at the expense of leaving a gap in the squad. But after an attacker then we only really need a cb and we seem to still be after one.

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The price of the players we buy should be irrelevant. The main objective is to get value for our expenditure. I'd be happy with 30m spent on Messi or Suarez or possibly Willian. But not on Andy Carroll.

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Villa are younger
Man City/Chelsea more exciting squads
Man City/Chelsea will dominate for years
If Willian goes to Spurs we have next to zero chance of CL football, so goodbye Suarez, Coutinho next summer

Other than that agree with you fidby

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Oh flidby, what can I say, these fans wanting us to spend and make us better, what do they know, they don't realise the likes of the big spenders like Spurs, Chelsea and City have over taking us over the years because of the way they spent, but I am sure they lost money, they spend because they have money to waste.
As long as I can still go to Anfield, have my pie and drink my pint I am happy, who cares about ambition, I know we are the best team in the league, and don't care what the table says, obviously the FA, the media and the rest of the world have in for us and won't allow us to finish in the top 4.
I am with you pal, looking forward to the Villa game, a draw will be perfect result, and if we win, well maybe the league is ours.

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20 Aug 2013 10:10:47
Looks like Ian Ayre and his team of useless transfer buffoons have managed to cock another one up. Please sack him this time FSG. I just can't see why we can't offer the same package as Spurs - we need a LW so Coutinho can move inside but Spurs can offer a better financial package. Not happy. Still think we can have a decent season but this transfer would have been very encouraging.

Fowler99

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Last time I checked, Willian was not a Spurs player. Tad early to be so dismissive?

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Same Buffoons who signed Sturridge Coutinho. Have a day off mate!

Slagging someone off when you have no comprehension of what it takes to do the job
In the first case

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Yeah sack him, all the other signings are rubbish. Give over mate, there is a reason you are not involved in big business.

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Ayre is not in charge of these negotiations, its hogan.

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If we get Damieo instead should we give Ayre a pay rise?

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Haha, did you not just see the sentence that said I still believe we can have a good season? There is no denying the fact that BR wants to add proven quality to the squad and we keep missing out on top transfer targets #FACT. Ian Ayre is in charge of trying to convince these players to come to Liverpool #FACT. He has failed publicly to land 3 this summer #FACT.

I cringe every time he opens his mouth so I can only assume that these players do the same.

And Davey, behave mate. I'm involved in business - you can't count going to pick up your JSA on a monday as actually doing anything yourself.

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Wow Coutinho and sturridge two players who should have been signed the window before when we didn't get anyone. Yeah score. Our negotiatiators are buffoons.

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20 Aug 2013 12:39:22
I don't wanna slag ayre. But if we failt to get a quality LW and a CB then they deserved to get the slagg.
common what are they paid for? you have to get the deals done, simple as that.

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Fowler99, we have been bullied to pay huge prices for some time now to complete our transfers. Aren't you happy to see us not taking that route again. Its really pleasing to see that we are following a set of principles during transfers now, we're not being too stingy like Arsenal and not like our past transfers like paying 35mil for Carroll. We have got in 6 capable players since last January and another loan today and all these deals were because of the terrific work done by some of our staff and each of the players have justified their price and may do even more. So don't go blasting people off when you have no clue about what they've been doing!

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20 Aug 2013 10:01:30
Leandro Damiaou hasn't followed anyone on twitter remotely linked with Liverpool, ever.

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20 Aug 2013 10:00:14
According to Sky, Turan's agent has claimed that both Liverpool and Arsenal are interested in the player, and that two clubs have talked about wages but not about a transfer fee.

Who are the two teams that he claims have spoken to the player?

Cheers

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Agents can claim anything they want. Doesn't mean anything happened. Agents promote their clients. I thought this was common knowledge.

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It is common knowledge, yes. I was looking more for an answer as opposed to you suggesting that I was a bit dim. Perhaps an ed can help out?

Cheers {Ed001's Note - I don't know who the other one is, but he is being a little disingenuous, as it was him telling us what kind of wages Turan would like. It is no secret Turan is a massive Liverpool fan and is desperate to sign for us. I don't know if we have any interest though. I would hope we might finally step in and get him this time.}

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20 Aug 2013 09:05:35
The Echo are reporting that if Willian joins spurs or zenit, Damiao becomes a option, I personally believe with sterling and IBE, Damiao would be a better option as he scores goals. don't no what you all think Eds and Reds.

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20 Aug 2013 10:36:56
Diamo is a good player, But for me he is a striker, do we really need him when suarez is staying.
we need a quality LW, someone who takes on the man and link up with countinho and suarez.
If sturridge is fit enough to play atleast 60 mts every game, he would suerly bang in 1-2 goals, provided with good assist.

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Agree I feel Damiao will be a better choice but we all know Sturridge wants to play Striker so I don't think he would be too happy if we pushed him out wide to accomadate Damiao, wasn't that the reason he left Chelsea.

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20 Aug 2013 09:39:23
Tottenham reportedly have €35m bid accepted by Anzhi for the transfer of Willian. The deal also includes a percentage of the next sale of the player. This is a rumor, so take it with a pinch of salt.

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20 Aug 2013 09:37:51
On this day a number of years ago we made the double signing of Alonso & Garcia maybe we are waiting to confirm cissoko along with someone else.

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I miss them times where the signings were just announced without the 3 weeks of bull leading up to it.

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20 Aug 2013 09:01:14
Hi Eds and fellow Reds,

Some Russian sources seem to be indicating that Spurs have had a bid accepted by Anzhi for Willian?

Are we still in with a chance or moving on to other targets? Who would be of interest potentially to LFC?

Cheers.

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20 Aug 2013 08:52:02
If we do lose out on Willian, I hope we go for Turan again.

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20 Aug 2013 12:40:32
Too late, I suspect, But heard he has a release clause of 20 mil. trigger it and get him.
But 100% we won't go.

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He's a very big fan as well and I would love for it to happen! But its just me thinking with my heart, BR and team have to do their job with their heads and see if it is feasible.

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20 Aug 2013 04:37:42
Several reports of Liverpool making a serious move to capture Damiao if they miss out on Willian. Not sure how reliable coming from The People.

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20 Aug 2013 04:34:02
G'day Eds

I think Willian is a little too expensive.

Any word on these 2 players?

Vucinic (Juve - not a starter this year)
Pazzini (AC - barely played a match in pre-season)

And do you think they will re-issue Carra's book with a couple of updated chapters? {Ed002's Note - Nothing involving Liverpool.}

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20 Aug 2013 03:49:01
I am really excited for Cissokho signing although in the past year I did not see much of him as I used to.
What do the eds think of him? Thanks
Hibsylfc {Ed019's Note - I think he is cute.}

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20 Aug 2013 03:44:57
Hi to all eds and fans from turks and caicos, I watched the game over here at a silly hour and had a wonderful rest of the day, otherwise it would have been doom and gloom.
I thought the guys did really well and the owners have done well in supporting BR
Hope all the eds have had a good summer break because it is back to the normal stuff now and the millions of questions.
See u all when I come back, but I still read all the banter and rumours everyday though.
Hibsylfc {Ed002's Note - Have a good vacation.}

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20 Aug 2013 08:32:24
Ratboy and Carra were excellent last night. Fairplay to Ratboy - he is a good pundit - and Carra is going to be a revelation.

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Love the part were I think Gary said Van Persie is like a Robber you don't no witch room he's in. Jamie lad said sure you (rat head) would be hiding under the bed. Rat head said straight after it you be robbing the house with him. Good banter on MNF

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20 Aug 2013 08:15:28
After the stoke game and calming down after that great double save from Mignolet, I can see us conceding quite a few goals from set pieces and corners in particular. Think we need to add some defensive coaches in, I mean a stoke player got his head onto almost every corner. Overall though I think we now have the firepower up front to get goals on a consistent basis, just have a feeling we may get sucker punched in games we're dominating through our defensive frailties.

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