Liverpool Banter Archive September 01 2015

01 Sep 2015 22:15:52
Re-posting a question for the Eds as I think the accompanying comment got it black balled.

If Villa meet the option to buy price for Ilori next summer are we obliged to sell?

If he does come good I'd like to think we could keep him.

{Ed002's Note - If it is contracted as a loan to buy then yes.}

01 Sep 2015 22:33:38
What about if Ilori wanted to stay? (Although seems unlikely if brodge remains in charge!)

01 Sep 2015 22:51:53
Side question on that Ed002- what if the player doesn't want a permanent transfer to the club in question? Or does the player have to pre-agree to the transfer a year ahead of time? Guess I'm asking if the player could simply refuse the transfer at the end of the loan?

{Ed002's Note - Of course, you cannot force a move on a player.}

01 Sep 2015 22:34:44
Ed02, is it an obligation to buy? Or would the player has the final say next summer similar like Borini coming back.
6 ft 3 inch quick and powerful CB. I don't want to loose him.

{Ed002's Note - It would be up to the player - he has no Liverpool future.}

02 Sep 2015 01:11:10
It doesn't matter what you nor I want. BR and the club will do what they like and screw everyone else including the fans. If they cared about us, they would never have kept him

02 Sep 2015 00:07:55
Makes sense, just wasn't sure how that worked in practice. Thanks, Ed002.

01 Sep 2015 21:55:31
Trying to lighten the mood after a thoroughly depressing day that t proves once again Brenda refuses to even entertain the idea of giving committee buys a fair shot. So I've put £5 on us to buy Van Dijk from Southampton for £30 mil next summer

01 Sep 2015 22:00:04
You're talking nonesense; €50 million then he'll loan him out to Watford and pay his wages.

01 Sep 2015 22:02:09
You've effectively put a £5 on BR being the manager next season, there, mate.

01 Sep 2015 22:24:59
Ilori loan was the final nail in the coffin.

01 Sep 2015 22:36:16
We should have explored the possibility of loaning Brendan to Swansea with loan to buy.

02 Sep 2015 00:07:07
Pretty sure they'd probably rather keep Monk, EG.

02 Sep 2015 01:13:21
Would have sold him for WHATEVER Swansea would want

02 Sep 2015 03:53:34
Harry that was actually kinda funny from you, not used to such things.

02 Sep 2015 08:32:29
We should make Brendan do all the managing on his won, you know like Enrique.

01 Sep 2015 21:03:37
Hi eds and thanks for all the info just a quick question(s).

Know you say away from finances and understand why but without too much detail:

How much is a clubs valuation based on the current squad and do you see this dynamic changing with the rapidly increasing player value?

Was curious as with players price tags going up to £50-£90m (imagine it won't be long till we get th first +£100m pound player) surely this must effect clubs valuation and might be clubs financial safety in jeopardy?i

Just think with decent players going for £20-30m and players clubs taking £20m+ pound hits on a player after one bad season must makes gauging finances and valuations difficult?

For example if we have a fantastic season and benteke is top scorer, coutinho and Ibe have fantastic seasons and sakho is the best defender in the league (not likely but hypothetical) then their value could easily surpass £150m so could these situations not result in vast swings in a clubs value? alternatively if finish 12th benteke scores 2 goals etc then their value drops by an equivalent amount. surely this is a disaster waiting to happen?

{Ed002's Note - Players are transient and are soft assets for the club - they are not part of the valuation as tangible assets.}

02 Sep 2015 08:34:15
Is that all the players, or in the case of a Ronaldo or Messi, things would be different?

{Ed002's Note - All players, regardless.}

01 Sep 2015 21:04:54
Watching the way LFC is run is a bit like watching an episode of Cowboy builders.
The owner gets someone in to do the work, he arrives and things start ok, but as time goes on things start going wrong & despite this the 'cowboy' keeps asking for money but it doesn't seem to make any difference. The owners notice that all is not well so they set up a meeting with the cowboy, wanting to know where all their money has gone after it looks like their is nothing but a badly built shell to show for it. Cowboy says it's not his fault and sacks his workforce, so owners believe him and he asks for yet more money.
I'm just waiting for the end, where the owners finally send him off site and they get someone professional in, who says it's a right mess & he needs to start all over again due to poor foundations

01 Sep 2015 22:59:31
Another 25 years of transition then it would seem

01 Sep 2015 20:08:07
Enrique has deleted all his social media pages and promised to focus on football.

01 Sep 2015 20:33:53
Say what you want about enrique - but he is still the best left back at the club.

01 Sep 2015 23:08:05
So why isn't "the best LB at the club" playing regularly?

01 Sep 2015 23:43:52
Good joke starkz i hope that features as a joke on the next podcast. Enrique our best leftback.

02 Sep 2015 01:18:37
Missed the sarcasm. Sorry!

02 Sep 2015 08:55:55
Moreno is a shocking LB (probably the worst in the EPL) and gomes (although done well) is not a left back, has zero use his left foot and offers zero going forward - so at present, for Enrique to still be the best LB is not hard.

01 Sep 2015 19:44:48
Just got home from a rubbish day at work, freezing cold, got the dreaded man flu And everyone's moaning moaning moaning, Rodgers This Rodgers that boo hoo, appreciate we don't look great right now But can we take a day off?! Please for my sake!

Eds point me in the direction of something positive please!!!

P.S don't know if it's my phone or the site but as I'm trying to type a post it keeps On kicki

{Ed001's Note - erm, well we kept hold of Enrique, so there is someone to keep you amused on social media still. I will hold the second part of your post for Ed033 to have a look at.}

01 Sep 2015 20:12:52
This should cheer you up Sunderland who are bottom have scored six goals we have scored two and only for the linesman against Bournemouth we would have one. So we are 50 per cent better off ???

01 Sep 2015 23:40:30
ED001 It looks like Enrique has closed his twitter and instagram accounts to concentrate on football. HAHA

{Ed001's Note - I am sure that will make all the difference in the world.....}

01 Sep 2015 19:18:23
Well that was a bit of an anti-climax of a transfer deadline day.

01 Sep 2015 18:38:20
Seeing Illori has gone on loan with possibly an option to buy and the first thought is why would we possibly do that? But before going nuts about how wrong it is let's consider this -

The majority of the fans might think he should be playing for us right now but the club don't. There is a reason for this. It might be a rubbish reason and he turns out to be excellent for West Brom or there might be something we're not privy to. Is he disruptive, lazy or something else entirely.

Instead of going nuts, isn't it worth waiting to see how this pans out?

01 Sep 2015 19:01:29
Maybe because he is one of the players some are asking BR to take a chance on instead of playing Lovren every damn game.
If there are no alternatives his favourite project can't be dumped from the team.
Seriously, how much worse does Lovren and Skrtel have to play to no longer be deemed first choice CB's?

They would both be at the end of my list of players that I would play at CB before them- the list would look something like:

Sakho
Gomez
Ilori
Can
Henderson
Benteke
Sturridge
Skrtel
Lovren

01 Sep 2015 19:23:46
Ilori wouldn't do worse than our current centre backs. The kid deserves a chance on merit. This deal shows BR has the intimate and complete control on transfers.

01 Sep 2015 21:58:10
It's just silly. Rodgers basically signed Illori to replace Skrtel and then ended up changing his mind on Skrtel and keeping him. He's done stuff like this so many bloody times at this stage that I'm starting to lose track of it.

That being said, I don't think it actually matters who we play at center back anymore because they haven't been coached & instructed properly since Steve Clarke left the club and will all mistakes. Skrtel & Lovren will make mistakes. Sakho & Toure will make mistakes. Gomez will if we use him. So would Illori if we'd kept him and given a chance. I thought we might be improving it with O'Driscoll and Rodgers' claim that he's paying more attention to defensive coaching, but both Skrtel and Lovren were horribly poor against West Ham, following from last season where they averaged a mistake a game. As did Sakho & Can.

If we were able to go back in time to 2003 or 2004 and get Sami Hyypia at his peak, I bet he'd look rubbish after a couple of months playing in this team.

I hope I have to eat my words on the foregoing, but I suspect I won't.

01 Sep 2015 23:18:59
Something, I agree with your post in part. But mistakes happen which is why you have preseason to foster a complimentary partnership to minimize the mistakes. BR has no clue about defensive football. If he did, he wouldn't tolerate Dumb and Dumber and their recurrent mistakes. But they don't care because they know he will pick them again. Terry and Cahill haven't made that many mistakes yet Mou wants them to improve or rot on the bench. Sahko and Toure must be asking what needs to happen before they can get a game? BR will play both vs Utd again barring a miracle and we will see the outcome.

01 Sep 2015 18:32:44
Enrique is just another Adebayor happy to sit on the bench and take the money.

Worst kind of modern day footballer imaginable!!!!

01 Sep 2015 18:27:14
gotta say if illori ends up at villa on loan this season then signs for them permanently and we end up still paying enrique 65k a week(we also resigned toure for another season when not needed) then i despair. words fail me

Eds who at the club would make the final decision about illori going to villa?? Thanks

{Ed001's Note - the manager makes the final call on transfers.}

01 Sep 2015 18:57:27
You never no Ilori has a great season at villa then comes back to us and the "new" manager has a great defender 😏

01 Sep 2015 21:05:36
He won't be coming back if he has a good season, they will buy him. And tbh the way he has been treated do you really think he would want to come back.

01 Sep 2015 16:27:49
Caught offside reporting last ditch attempt to get Yarmolenko before window closes.
You got to laugh

{Ed002's Note - I think you might find it is from a different Liverpool based club.}

01 Sep 2015 09:17:59
Here's a joke for a future podcast Ed001?

Father Christmas, the Easter Bunny, a thoroughly intelligent Brendan Rodgers and an old drunk are walking down the street together when simultaneously they each spot a fifty quid note. Who gets it?
A: The old drunk, of course; the other three don't exist.

{Ed001's Note - I am beginning to regret the request for jokes now, though they have all been much better than benny's offerings.....}

01 Sep 2015 13:14:38
Hi eds,

Any chance of any imcomings today or is it likely just going to be players leaving?

Thanks in advance

{Ed002's Note - I am not expecting any arrivals right now.}

01 Sep 2015 10:46:55
I don't ever post on this site but felt I had to share some inside information coming out of anfield. My source tells me that Rogers has been given until Christmas to see if he can turn things around, if not Klop is waiting in the wings thus explaining why he decided to take time out of managment.

01 Sep 2015 11:16:06
If that was really true i would be a very happy man, we can all live and dream i guess. YNWA

01 Sep 2015 11:20:46
"My source" ??
Would that be Twitter, newspapers or the little voices in your head?

01 Sep 2015 11:27:17
No offence mate, but the eds have explained already that rodgers is walking on thin ice this season.
I think the real question is what do they mean by turn things around?
How far do we have to be off of top four pace for the owners to pull the plug at xmas?
Personally I think if we are more than 6/7 points away from fourth place at xmas and a good quality manager is available, br will be replaced.
And I think the eds reckon lfc did not approach klopp this summer, so I don't see how he can be waiting in the wings?

01 Sep 2015 11:33:08
We won't change managers at Xmas unless we are having a total unmitigated disatster and are facing the relegation zone, or death/serious illness. It is far far to expensive and even more disruptive for major clubs to change managers mid-season. reality is we are stuck with Rodgers until next summer - get used to the idea.

01 Sep 2015 11:55:44
My source tells me that Rogers has been given until Christmas to see if he can turn things around, if not Old purple nose himself, SAF, is waiting in the wings thus explaining why he decided to take time out of management. Oh these voices, these voices: where's my medication?

01 Sep 2015 12:09:07
Personally think if we are not in the top ten after ten games he should be sacked I don't think that's an unreasonable target.

01 Sep 2015 12:17:53
Wow everyone here are very quick to tell someone they know better than him. And of course the old famous the Eds didn't say it so I am not willing ti listen to anything else because they are God and know everything. The guy said a source in the club tell him this is the situation. Maybe he tells the truth. let's get to Xmas and see. I am very confodent we will not be in the top 8 by then. If Klopp is indeed willing to come, waiting and not bringing him right away is crazy.

{Ed002's Note - It is bullshit. You obsess about Klopp whilst I have explained there are things happening with Klopp in the background - including discussions with other clubs. It is nothing whatsoever to do with Liverpool.}

01 Sep 2015 12:48:09
To be fair ed, I don't obsess about klopp, I just obsess about Rodgers gone!

01 Sep 2015 12:54:31
There is a european page as well on this site guys. Ed'002 was very kind enough to give an update on him.

Here it goes:-

{Ed002's Note - There is nothing new with Klopp. He is taking a year off and he knows that there is interest from a couple of clubs for next season - one of which may look to have him work in a silent capacity for perhaps the last three months of the season as part of a handover. He either has just or soon will be offered a job which he will decline.}

Cheers

01 Sep 2015 13:43:30
ED02 has said repeatedly that Klopp was never an option and was never approached so your source has been teasing you.

{Ed002's Note - Since I wrote that Klopp has had a second off which is still the matter of discussion - but it is nothing to do with Liverpool.}

01 Sep 2015 15:52:17
Well we will all know for sure what happens with Klopp when he signs somewhere eventually. And one day in his autobiography he will probably say if he was or not interested in LFC. There were a lot of informal messages from his people that he was interested. If it was obvious he never wanted this job he could say it and cut all the speculations. If he was interested and FSG never approached him it is just very very sad.

I have a lot of respect to the EDs (surely more than they have for me) but Ed001 was very confident throughout the second half of last season the BR was going in the summer and eventually he stayed, so I am happy to hear also other views of people who say they know something from inside. Of course I always take anything I read anywhere about LFC with a pinch of salt.

In any case I do hope FSG will do soemthing if things will keep on being so miserable on the pitch. And by doing something I mean something other than to make the review slightly early in the summer and the get rid of the receptionst.

{Ed001's Note - it won't be Klopp, they have never shown any interest in him anyway. As for being confident, Rodgers himself thought he was going, as I explained in the podcast, hence the idea regarding getting rid of the coaching staff.}

01 Sep 2015 16:54:49
Hey ED'02,

We have all heard what ED'01 thinks about BR and his position.If you have the time sir could you please enlighten me and all the other posters about his position.

I have checked what you have to say about the owners.You said they might sell the club in 2017 and get a good value.Also you mentioned that this is the last roll of the dice for them.Do you think if results don't go our way under BR will they change him or he will stay on till they sell the club???

Thanks if this is posted and replied to sir.

TAKE CARE AND CHEERS

{Ed002's Note - (1) I think it was a mistake keeping BR on, but they have invested a lot in the way he wants to play the game and I guess this is the last chance saloon. They made the decision early in the summer that they would keep him rejecting the opportunity to look at the option proposed. More recently they have taken the opportunity to take advice from someone who is an employed manager. If they do end up parting company they will certainly listen to what he has to say. (2) 2017 sees the first real return from the new television money and now that the proposal for an early pan-European breakaway has been voted down (3 for, 14 against and 2 no shows), 2017 would be the time to sell at a profit if success still eludes the club. (3) The owners cannot keep throwing money at players whilst relying on future income - it makes no sense - and yet again the FFP balloon is ready to burst. It is a nonsense to have ejaculated these vast amounts of money over the past three years with zip to show for it. They have attempted to buy the league and failed - you have to draw a line across. (4) Right now BR is the manager for the season, losing at the weekend did not change that. After that I don't know as it depends how it pans out - they won't be keen to change mid-season but will deal with it if they must.}

01 Sep 2015 10:06:10
Ant chance of a surprise new face before 6pm or are we just looking at off loading a few? Thanks in advance.

01 Sep 2015 11:32:43
The back of Enrique's arse is the only face I want to see today.
(And yes, I know that makes no sense)

{Ed002's Note - It remains incredibly embarrassing how poorly the Liverpool fans treat the players.}

01 Sep 2015 11:33:54
We need to offload more than a few. We have far far too many players on the books.

01 Sep 2015 11:35:13
Yes there is a surprise new face.
:)

There it is, I hope that clears things up and gives us great optimism going forward.

01 Sep 2015 12:08:28
Sorry Ed2, but the embarrassing thing is Enrique's lack of workrate and desire to play for Liverpool. If I was earning 60k per week I would push my body to its limits every day.

{Ed002's Note - I am afraid not. The worlds most fickle fans constantly embarrass themselves moaning about past players, current players, potential future players, the owners, the manager, the staff .... everything.}

01 Sep 2015 12:51:27
I'm sure you do read a lot of bitching alright, especially about Rodgers, and especially from Ed001. ;)

01 Sep 2015 12:56:24
I honestly don't think you can judge fans from a website that contains a minute percentage of the actual fans.
the reason people come on this site tends to be to express frustration aloud because people want to get it off their chest. A site like this is always going to attract much negativity. Plus to be honest I know a lot of other fans get just as fickle.

01 Sep 2015 15:13:27
I think its ok to moan about the club when its in such a mess.
Aren't sites like this meant for that?
Honest discussions about the club (good and bad points) away from the ground, so we can then give unconditional support on a match day for the full 90 minutes?

Ed002 is constantly talking about the financial mess the club is in, aren't the players who are at the club on big contracts but not playing part of that problem?

01 Sep 2015 16:41:50
Sorry Ed but Enrique's commitment has been nothing short of a disgrace. Should we be sad when a player who has shown no application or dedication to the club leaves? Why should we care and respect a player who doesn't care or respect any aspect of the club? I don't think it's harsh to be happy when such a poor player leaves the club. Same applies to Balotelli - why is it embarrassing to be happy when someone of his ilk leaves? Fans work hard for their money and pay a high price to see their team and then are treated to the likes of Balotelli (yeah let's smoke and piss around with an iphone rather than train) and Enrique (let's go on holidays to dubai mid-season and constantly update my twitter about how little I do and little I care about being a professional footballer). No, good riddance to bad rubbish - they do not deserve fans the respect.

{Ed002's Note - The Liverpool fans treat all of the players equally badly, except ironically one who was desperate to leave the club and dragged the name of the club through the gutter. Go figure.}

01 Sep 2015 02:23:57
Great Podcast again guys, you didn't let us down, well maybe Benny did with his joke of the day, although it was slightly better than the last one admittedly! ;) Will your next one be on our transfer dealing after the window has closed?

{Ed001's Note - we are hoping to do something today in terms of the live streaming chat, fingers crossed.}

31 Aug 2015 23:51:13
Great podcast fellas
C

{Ed001's Note - cheers.}

31 Aug 2015 23:42:48
Joke Submission

Brendan Rodgers pays a visit to the Man City training ground to see just how Manuel Pellgerini get's the best out of his players. Manuel is happy to help: "brendan watch this".

Manuel snaps his fingers: "Sergio, Sergio get over here. Sergio, he is not your brother but he is still your father's son, who is he"

Immediately Sergio answers "it's me" and returns to his training

"You see Brendan, I give the players little riddles and it keeps them mentally sharp"

So the next day Brendan decides to try it out and he calls over Martin Skrtel "Martin, he is not your brother but he is still your father's son, who is he"

Skrtel looks even more confused than usual and says "Boss I just don't know, can I have some more time"

So Brendan agrees that Skrtel can have until the next day to work it out.

Skrtel thinks deep into the night but cannot figure out the answer, so he decides to call Steven Gerrard to see if he knows.

"Steven I am really stuck with this riddle, he is not your brother but he is still your father's son, who is he"

Gerrard replies "that's easy Martin, it's me"

The next day Skrtel approaches Rodgers with a beaming smile, "I know the answer boss"

"okay then, what is it"

Skrtel answers "It's Steven Gerrard"

Brendan says "No you idiot! It's Sergio Aguero!"

01 Sep 2015 09:09:25
So how does Skrtel STILL convince the bridge to pick him!?

01 Sep 2015 09:09:35
*brodge

01 Sep 2015 10:18:04
Brilliant !

01 Sep 2015 10:36:43
Blimey, my dad told me that one over 20 years ago, except the protagonists were john Major, Norman Lamont, George Bush (Snr) and Henry Kissenger!!!!!!

I guess the d ones are the best!

31 Aug 2015 22:17:54
Hi eds I've just read a post saying we are odds on favs to sign lewandowski is there any truth in this mate

{Ed001's Note - I have no idea what the odds are. You need a betting site to check if we are odds on favourite to sign someone.}