Liverpool Banter Archive October 01 2010
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01 Oct 2010 23:38:24
"Knowing Kraptalk they probably have. As this is what they do just take what has already been written by any of the associated press and put it in their members forum and charge money for it.
Blair Mayne YNWA"
Right - but Blair Mayne is Big Dunc. We all know that. "Liar By Name".
01 Oct 2010 23:25:58
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-Poulsen - Skrtel- Carragher - Kelly-
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For Blackpools game, i would like to Poulsen tried out at RBK and G Johnson to play on the wing. Gerrard to stay deeper and Kuyt to play along side Torres in 442. Johnson would supply ball for front two. Torres and Kuyt are our best strikers. Gerrard, Meireles, J.Cole should hold a tight midfield three in the centre. Carragher and skrtel should swap sides.
01 Oct 2010 23:02:16
I would prefer derren bent to gomez
ed could we get either
always a red
{Editor's note - If you had the cash I am sure Bent would join Liverpool}
01 Oct 2010 23:02:10
So many people slagging off 3 Non owners yet they could just be our saving grace and go down in history as the guys who brought LFC back from the brink.! Lets hope they have balls the size of Jupiter and that the American Scum end up with exactly what they deserve, and we all know by now what that is. . . . .
Dickie Di Doh
01 Oct 2010 22:29:19
Torres can be kept if Liverpool play their cards right. In my opinion Gary Cahill would be a great signing and would be the right pedigree for LFC.
LFC could get Cahill if they sell skertel. Hodgson has been excellent in the transfer window and still has money left over from the summer dealings with the sale of Masch. This left over cash is around 4 to 5 million and will cover most of the price for Cahill plus the money LFC get from skertel.
Liverpool should make a big effort (and are expected to) to get Gomez. Gomez will be the only player that LFC will buy without selling.
Young will sign for 7 million plus babel.
SWP could be bought to add an extra dimension to LFC attack.
LFC have already sold
Masch- 19m
Riera- 3.5m
Yossi-6m
Total= 28.5m
LFC signings
Poulsen- 4m
Meireles- 12m
Cole- Free
Shelvey- 2m
Total= 18m
This leaves a net profit of roughly 10m.
Possible further sales
Lucas- 7m- (woulnt like to see Lucas go)
Babel- 9m
Aqualani- 12m
Insua- 3m
Skertel- 10m
Total- roughly 40m
With the money from these sales, it should be possible to buy Cahill, Gomez, SWP and Young making a small net loss.
Sorry for not including Joe Cole and Maxi in my last comments. They are quality attacking players that add dept to the LFC team.
Possible line up
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- Johnson- Cahill- Agger- Konchesky-
- - SWP- Gerrard- Meireles- Young- -
- - - - Torres- - - -Gomez- - - - - -
Subs: Jones, Carragher, Keriagos (Greek), Aurelio, Poulsen, Cole, Kuyt, Jovanovic, Ngog, Pacheo, Maxi.
All subs will get playing time, with Carragher, Kuyt and Cole featuring regurarly especially Cole who would be a great super sub.
01 Oct 2010 22:23:28
01 Oct 2010 20:10:38
1. Malcolm Glazer will ruin you more than Hicks and Gillett have ruined us.
Yes, your right the Glazer family will make money out of man utd, but they have been smarter than Hicks. They issued bonds to manage the debit owed to banks. They also bought a club that generates alot of profit and is commercially more successful than liverpool on the pitch and off the pitch.
Man Utd have a long term manager, youth set that works, stadium that is going to be expanded to 90,000 seats and a scouting system that is finding good youth players. they are able to manage the debit
2. Alex Ferguson is not many years from retirement and as soon as he does - your screwed. As much as i loath the guy i have to admit hes a good manager, and you will never get anyone nearly as good again.
SAF may retire, but i think he will be taking a seat on the boardroom. That place is a part of him and he will never let it fall from grace. Im guessing a man like José Mourinho would like to end his career at manchester utd. Once he has finished european tour.
3. Sadly Giggs and Scholes still run your team, as soon as their gone, your down the toilet.
Giggs, Scholes, Neville are great players they have winning mentality. The reason SAF kept them in the game for so long. Wenger's biggest mistake was letting people like Patrick and Sol leave the arsenal and let the youth in too quickly.
I don't beleive man utd will be down the toilet, as they have been bring youth through at man utd. Also man utd players seem to make for good managers, mark huges, steve bruce even roy kean has winning mentality,
I have a feeling Ole Gunnar Solskjær might end up being man u next manager with neville his no2.
4. After the above 3 have happened, you really think Rooney would stay. He would be off to madrid quicker than we would kick hicks and gillett out the club given the chance.
Rooney may leave and he may not. Who knows what the future holds. cantina, beckham, Ronaldo left and man u carried on. Players come and go, but the foundations have to be strong.
Liverpool lack the foundations to manage a debit that big. Old stadium, youth set that isn't working, short term managers Evans, Houllier, Benitez, Hodgson. Team lacking world-class quaility in midfield. Scholes may leave old traffic, but man u will spend big to replace the heart beat of the team.
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In response to this MAN'URE IDIOT above!
Don't you get it? Eventually H&G will have to sell LFC because they can't afford us as we are losing money.
As you pointed out MAN'URE has the capacity to make money with the Stadium etc. That is why the Glazers will never i repeat never sell MAN'URE.
And i think the big spending at MAN'URE is finished just like the club will be.
Thank you for your gracious and constructive comments now please f*ck off.
Blair Mayne YNWA
01 Oct 2010 21:52:33
01 Oct 2010 20:19:42
Hi, some of you posters seem to have nothing constructive to say in reply to other peoples posts. Every post has a gain of truth in it and i just don't see the point in swearing at people who support different clubs. I wouldn't expect lfc fans to sink that low.
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Ok mate! The next time a fan from another club come's on here and says
"We are finished"
"we are going to be relegated"
"Our club is a mess"
We will say "Thank you for your gracious and constructive comments now please f*ck off"
Blair Mayne YNWA
01 Oct 2010 21:42:00
Last updated: 21:23:41 GMT+1
01 Oct 2010 21:22:49
I'm sorry but . who ever posted about Torres not being a part of Hodgson's plans is having a joke.
Which manager in their right mind would say 'Fernando Torres' (a European Championship 2008 and World Cup 2010 Winner) would not be a part of their plans?
Just because he's having a torrid time so far this season doesn't mean he is not wanted anymore.
Tbh i rekon if hodgson starts playing 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 instead of 4-5-1 and Torres starts scoring you won't be saying anything about Hodgson not wanting Torres in his plans
its not a case of him not being wanted we need better players and i hate to say it but with the possability of no sale happening torres might be the only way to bring in funds for 2 or 3 top players and nobody knows what broken promises were made to keep torres here this season might be he makes the decision for us
01 Oct 2010 21:22:49
I'm sorry but . who ever posted about Torres not being a part of Hodgson's plans is having a joke.
Which manager in their right mind would say 'Fernando Torres' (a European Championship 2008 and World Cup 2010 Winner) would not be a part of their plans?
Just because he's having a torrid time so far this season doesn't mean he is not wanted anymore.
Tbh i rekon if hodgson starts playing 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 instead of 4-5-1 and Torres starts scoring you won't be saying anything about Hodgson not wanting Torres in his plans
01 Oct 2010 20:57:54
If miguel wants to come to liverpool, we should be looking to bring him in. quick, experienced and much better defender than johnson. push johnson to play as right wing and we will have a much stonger right side of the team.
01 Oct 2010 20:53:21
Is there any light at the end of the tunnel , this is just torture . . .why will no one buy us . . .wheres these gobby arabs vanished to . . . . . .aaarrrrrrgggggghhhhh
01 Oct 2010 20:19:42
Hi, some of you posters seem to have nothing constructive to say in reply to other peoples posts. Every post has a gain of truth in it and i just don't see the point in swearing at people who support different clubs. I wouldn't expect lfc fans to sink that low.
01 Oct 2010 20:10:38
1. Malcolm Glazer will ruin you more than Hicks and Gillett have ruined us.
Yes, your right the Glazer family will make money out of man utd, but they have been smarter than Hicks. They issued bonds to manage the debit owed to banks. They also bought a club that generates alot of profit and is commercially more successful than liverpool on the pitch and off the pitch.
Man Utd have a long term manager, youth set that works, stadium that is going to be expanded to 90,000 seats and a scouting system that is finding good youth players. they are able to manage the debit
2. Alex Ferguson is not many years from retirement and as soon as he does - your screwed. As much as i loath the guy i have to admit hes a good manager, and you will never get anyone nearly as good again.
SAF may retire, but i think he will be taking a seat on the boardroom. That place is a part of him and he will never let it fall from grace. Im guessing a man like José Mourinho would like to end his career at manchester utd. Once he has finished european tour.
3. Sadly Giggs and Scholes still run your team, as soon as their gone, your down the toilet.
Giggs, Scholes, Neville are great players they have winning mentality. The reason SAF kept them in the game for so long. Wenger's biggest mistake was letting people like Patrick and Sol leave the arsenal and let the youth in too quickly.
I don't beleive man utd will be down the toilet, as they have been bring youth through at man utd. Also man utd players seem to make for good managers, mark huges, steve bruce even roy kean has winning mentality,
I have a feeling Ole Gunnar Solskjær might end up being man u next manager with neville his no2.
4. After the above 3 have happened, you really think Rooney would stay. He would be off to madrid quicker than we would kick hicks and gillett out the club given the chance.
Rooney may leave and he may not. Who knows what the future holds. cantina, beckham, Ronaldo left and man u carried on. Players come and go, but the foundations have to be strong.
Liverpool lack the foundations to manage a debit that big. Old stadium, youth set that isn't working, short term managers Evans, Houllier, Benitez, Hodgson. Team lacking world-class quaility in midfield. Scholes may leave old traffic, but man u will spend big to replace the heart beat of the team.
01 Oct 2010 19:17:18
Liverpool F, C, at the begging bowl, club and players in dissaray, how the mighty have fallen, will you ever return, being sold on the cheap, how embarrassing is that, even Joey Barton would not join you lot, see you when you get to be a big club again, bye for now.AHHA to ha! !
aha haaha your so funny. . not
lets look at man u should we since that's who you most likley support:
1. Malcolm Glazer will ruin you more than Hicks and Gillett have ruined us.
2. Alex Ferguson is not many years from retirement and as soon as he does - your screwed. As much as i loath the guy i have to admit hes a good manager, and you will never get anyone nearly as good again.
3. Sadly Giggs and Scholes still run your team, as soon as their gone, your down the toilet.
4. After the above 3 have happened, you really think Rooney would stay. He would be off to madrid quicker than we would kick hicks and gillett out the club given the chance.
= YOUR MORE SCREWED THAN WE WILL EVER BE
01 Oct 2010 19:07:17
Expect a nice bit of positive football for once and us going for the win!
I don't think Roy will play that formation, raul will play off Torres with gerrard along side poulson in a deeper centre mid role.
Come on the reds tomorrow let's have 3 points tomorrow and put all this worry to bed.
Realistic red
01 Oct 2010 18:58:15
30 Sep 2010 13:51:34
Did anybody see Bryan Ruiz last night in the Spurs/ FC Twente game? Have to say I was pretty unimpressed. For a player some posters have suggested in past months that Liverpool were willing to pay anything from £10m to £15m, I think we would be 'throwing money down the drain' again. We would be left with anothe rplayer of average quality for the 4 years of a contract. Am I wrong on this? He reminded me of a cross between 'bad' Morientes and Sebatian Leto. Need I say more.
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01 Oct 2010 13:33:21
30 Sep 2010 20:47:46
Just watched liverpool and van wolfswinkel was awfull NOT WORTH 10 million
Mata is much better value and is a better player so i yhink we should sign in mata for 15 million in jan
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I think he will need to move to one of big 3 in Holland (Ajax, PSV or Feyenoord) like Kuyt, before anyone of the big clubs in England would make a move for him. Might be a bit lightweight?
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Is it me but the two recent posts above show that some of the players we have been linked with in recent months from the Dutch league are not really in the £10m to £15m class. We can't afford to make signings that end up on our bench for 4 years because they are not up to it.
01 Oct 2010 18:50:32
01 Oct 2010 18:10:34
In reply to the following:
01 Oct 2010 13:33:21
30 Sep 2010 20:47:46
Just watched liverpool and van wolfswinkel was awfull NOT WORTH 10 million
Mata is much better value and is a better player so i yhink we should sign in mata for 15 million in jan
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I think he will need to move to one of big 3 in Holland (Ajax, PSV or Feyenoord) like Kuyt, before anyone of the big clubs in England would make a move for him. Might be a bit lightweight?
We do not have the luxuary of trying to find a diamond in the rough also we do not have the pulling power - for the time being - for the big european names. We should look at proven players in the EPL which are playing in clubs that we could lure them from for example Bent and Carroll from N/ castle.
But fristly we need to sort out the bigger Problem which I'm sick of hearing about. . Tick Tick Tick to 06/ 10/ 10
What you think Ed.
TrueRed
{Editor's note - I think Liverpool need a few more British players that would work like Kuyt does every game.}
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I agree with the Ed. But also agree with the poster about our bigger problem that is approaching over the next week or two. However, I bet Sunderland would value Bent at well over £20m if Liverpool showed some interest.
01 Oct 2010 18:35:49
LIKLEY TEAM VS BLACKPOOL:
25 Reina
2 Johnson
23 Carragher
37 Skrtel
22 Wilson
4 Meireles
28 Poulsen
8 Gerrard
18 Kuyt
9 Torres
10 Cole
subs:
1 Jones
16 Kyrgiakos
32 Darby
21 Lucas
14 Jovanovic
19 Babel
24 N'Gog
expect a nice bit of positive football for once and us going for the win!
01 Oct 2010 18:20:28
01 Oct 2010 15:21:09
Rumour of kuyt and johnson to inter, 27 mil euro's.
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I'd do a deal at £35m for both. I'd want proper compensation from Rafa. For £40m, i'd throw in Lucas.
01 Oct 2010 18:10:34
In reply to the following:
01 Oct 2010 13:33:21
30 Sep 2010 20:47:46
Just watched liverpool and van wolfswinkel was awfull NOT WORTH 10 million
Mata is much better value and is a better player so i yhink we should sign in mata for 15 million in jan
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I think he will need to move to one of big 3 in Holland (Ajax, PSV or Feyenoord) like Kuyt, before anyone of the big clubs in England would make a move for him. Might be a bit lightweight?
We do not have the luxuary of trying to find a diamond in the rough also we do not have the pulling power - for the time being - for the big european names. We should look at proven players in the EPL which are playing in clubs that we could lure them from for example Bent and Carroll from N/ castle.
But fristly we need to sort out the bigger Problem which I'm sick of hearing about. . Tick Tick Tick to 06/ 10/ 10
What you think Ed.
TrueRed
{Editor's note - I think Liverpool need a few more British players that would work like Kuyt does every game.}
01 Oct 2010 18:00:46
Today was a very hectic day behind the scenes at anfield and RBS. Martin Broughton had a number of conference calls with the premier league and RBS over a contingency plan should RBS step in and take over. However as i said yesterday, two parties have completed due dillegence and one formal offer has been recieved. RBS and Martin Broughton are pressing the owners into accepting, RBS are willing to extend the finance for a short period to allow a deal to be concluded if the owners accept. Otherwise they will call in the loan because they have through their banking associates discovered that no other bank is willing to deal with hicks.
01 Oct 2010 17:47:27
Liverpool F, C, at the begging bowl, club and players in dissaray, how the mighty have fallen, will you ever return, being sold on the cheap, how embarrassing is that, even Joey Barton would not join you lot, see you when you get to be a big club again, bye for now.AHHA to ha! !
U won't see us when we become big again cos you will be going the other way, the cracks are already showing. .
Sooty
01 Oct 2010 17:43:49
To YNWA, keep quessing, this is fun at least it made you forget your crisis, if only for a little while, HA HA. Blue Noses.
01 Oct 2010 17:35:38
When Benitez left did the scouting team go also because if they didn't we are still going to be interested in more or less the same calibre of player that we have far too many of now!
Ollie
01 Oct 2010 17:24:21
I don't know what Macca has written but now that we are in October I will try and put the record straight on how things will happen.
An interest payment is due this morning - this may or may not be paid, if not another payment will be put onto the clubs total debt figure.
Now to RBS.
having worked in the financial industry I know that whatever RBS have decided to do with Liverpool, will have been put into motion this morning. They are I suspect already aware as to whether Hicks will get his refinancing from elsewhere. If so that paperwork will have to be completed and the same goes for the paper work if the bank decides to take over the club. lawyers have to be consulted and so does the Financial Services Authority. This on its own will take at least a month.
There are I understand two offers on the table and due dilligence is almost complete. The consortiums concerned will then have to make a formal offer and once the club has made a decision, the premier league needs to be informed along with the Financial Services Authority. The paperwork that surrounds this can take several months - the FSA will do a thorough investigation into all parties especially after the mess Hicks and Gillett have caused.
Because of this I do not expect to see New Owners installed properly at the club until December at the earliest. {ed's note - I agree fully, the problem is that people saw the Man City takeover seemingly happen over night. But what they don't realise is that it took months and that Sheikh Mansour actually provided funds to buy Robinho as a statement of intent, long before he actually completed the takeover of the club.}
Thanks guys for the info, even if the ownership doesn't change till December, don't you think that if it is going to happen and news leaks out, what a boost it will give the fans and the players. Also you imagine being a Man U fan an see that LFC are about to become a big player again, they will all gr*t themselves. I can hear the collective groan from the Premiership, H*ck Liverpool are back again. . YNWA
Sooty
01 Oct 2010 16:57:54
Blue nose, when this guy was talking about who would you save out of hick and bin laden I think it was more tongue and cheek comment. I think this is nothing to do with the attitude of lfc fans just more like how much us fans hate hicks, no one actual likes what bin laden does that's why this page is called a banter page but I do agree with you about save our soldiers. Plus what us liverpool fans say on here or other where else has got nothing to do with the takeover. Kingplfc
Ps ed any more news with the takeover
{Editor's Note: The whole situation with the takeover is quiet, but not doubt there is effort being made elsewhere to refinance the loan, extend the deadline, sell the club etc.}
01 Oct 2010 16:52:10
"01 Oct 2010 15:27:37
Liverpool F, C, at the begging bowl, club and players in dissaray, how the mighty have fallen, will you ever return, being sold on the cheap, how embarrassing is that, even Joey Barton would not join you lot, see you when you get to be a big club again, bye for now.AHHA to ha! !"
Just out of interest, who do you support you f* king tool? I'm going for one of Chavski (favourites due to the fact you don't seem to be able to string a coherent sentence together), the Scum, the Bitters or Citeh.
If you support Chavski or Citeh then both of your sh*tty little clubs were on the brink before some rich sugar daddy came in (I seem to remember the Chavs being on the verge of bankruptcy). If it's the Scum or the Bitters then you'll either be bust yourself (cheers Malcolm) soon or you'll spend your life living in jealous loathing of your far better neighbours.
Laugh all you like. We'll always be around. . . . .
YNWA! ! ! !
01 Oct 2010 16:43:31
Me I would save Hicks, at least some people would get some fun, out of keeping him alive, unlike Bin Laden who kills innocent chidren and our brave British service men and women, but then that's how selfish Liverpool supporters are, thats why no one wants to buy your club, thats why you deserve whats happening to you, the blood of one soldier is worth more then the value of 100 Liverpool football clubs, and I urge every help the heroes supprter, to bet on Blackpool at the week-end and if they win, donate your winings to help the heroes, let the beliefe in our soldiers win the day.remember win or draw it all goes to help the heroes. Blue Noses.
01 Oct 2010 16:15:28
"{Editor's Note: No doubt I would rescue Hicks.}"
Well, I respect your choice, Ed.
For me, I'd rather rescue neither, and lose my life.You see, Ed, my loathing for Hicks combined with my love for LFC would I think override any value I place on my life.
Maybe I'm that fella who holds it true that, honour, justice and dedication to the good fight of the greater good shall supersede any other duty, belief or value.If that means laying down my life;if that means having my blood spilled, amen to that.
Regarding Hicks, consensus among many is that the man's a ruthless vampire;he feeds off other's souls and agony.
If I found him (Hicks) haplessly on fire, would I help him?Hell NO!I wouldn't even piss on him.
For a sin has a nemesis. .God taught us that.
Anyway, Ed, I don't mean to turn your site (a site I love and whose editors I respect very much) into some religious blah, blah, blah.I just wanted to get your much-sought-after two cents, Ed.
All the best, sir;you're doing a great job.Keep it up.
Hawkins Hodges
01 Oct 2010 16:09:00
Inter want Kuyt and Jonhson for 27 million, are you sure that`s not 2.7 million.? I would take just the .7 to get shot of the pair of them.!
01 Oct 2010 15:34:14
Let the auction begin, and some ones going to make a profit, at the clubs expense,
01 Oct 2010 15:30:47
Inter are not that stupid.
01 Oct 2010 15:29:35
For as long as I can remember you guys have been going on about the take over being near. End of the month, end of next month, end of the next month.
Wake up and smell the coffee guys, salvation is not coming. Administration and a points deduction are looming long before a potential buyer comes along.
01 Oct 2010 15:27:37
Liverpool F, C, at the begging bowl, club and players in dissaray, how the mighty have fallen, will you ever return, being sold on the cheap, how embarrassing is that, even Joey Barton would not join you lot, see you when you get to be a big club again, bye for now.AHHA to ha ! !
01 Oct 2010 14:46:00
Just listened to finanicial bloke on SSN and he says liverpool will not go into administration and the club is pretty healthy and also he said that RBS will probably not take over the club and also that he has confidence that everything will be fine.
quite pleases after hearing that
west midlander red
01 Oct 2010 14:41:26
Gillette and hicks will not walk away from LFC without a tidy profit, they aint that daft to let RBS take full control.the bidders are there ive heard therrs 3 and G&H are trying to play them off against each other to raise the price, theres nothing else they can do, and realize it now, were nearly there defo in the final stages of the end of G&H.
01 Oct 2010 14:38:13
Hi, Ed!Good day I hope it is.Well, I'd like to put you into a bit of a spot here.Here goes:
Tom Hicks and Osama bin Laden are in a death situation, and only one of them can be saved, at the expense of the other.You're to be that saviour.
Either one you save will continue doing what they're infamous for (terrorism bin Laden;ruining sports franchises Hicks).
If you choose to rescue neither, it's you who'll perish.
What would you do, Ed?
Hawkins Hodges
{Editor's Note: No doubt I would rescue Hicks.}
01 Oct 2010 14:22:49
01 Oct 2010 12:56:05
"{ed's note - I agree fully, the problem is that people saw the Man City takeover seemingly happen over night. But what they don't realise is that it took months and that Sheikh Mansour actually provided funds to buy Robinho as a statement of intent, long before he actually completed the takeover of the club.}"
It is nonsense! took months?? ED, when did Martin Broughton appointed as Chairman?? liverpool has also taken months to find buyers, isn't it? IF liverpool take over by someone TOMORROW, it also means took months! ED, pls answer me.TQ {ed's note - what has finding buyers got to do with how long it takes to be completed? That is a totally different thing, we were referring to how long it takes a buyer to complete a purchase, which is not going to be a matter of days.}
A takeover could in fact could take many month. . especially when the buyers want to distance themselves from. .
1. The sacking of the manager the non brainwashed fans where all behind!(not a fool/ yes-man in the hodgson role who would of by now made it clear while
2.Not having to answer any questions about their 'true' intentions after not investing in the squad this summer
3.And not linked with the responsibility for selling the club's most marketable assets Macsh, Beni, riera(was off anyway) with lucas, gerrard deals falling through. and the arranging of the sales for a far higher PROFIT next season of Aqua, Insua, Torres, and most probably once the our real owners true intentions take fruition. . gerrard as well. . .
So yes while there's continued revenue from shirt sales, gate receipts, no angry mobs outside and asset strip planning in peace and quiet. . . a take over can take a very long time. well until its too late
01 Oct 2010 14:14:54
Ok so the utrecht performance was poor by all except cole i feel he really did try. i thought shelvey should have played, would have been a good game for him (but what do i know). if we don't get a good result and more importantly a performance against blackpool then it's time to panic. now its october i hope things will start to happen.
ed do you think ed played well and will any of the youngsters get a chance apart from kelly.
always a red
01 Oct 2010 14:09:56
Im not so sure you are still a good investment, if RBS sell at the price of the debt, theres still a hell of a lot of money to be pumped into the club, to get you back into the top four, and then theres the new stadium, and where are all the top players you need going to come from, and if RBS sell at more then the price of the debt, the bill gets even higher, with no gaurutee of success, will the new owners be prepared to wait 2 to 4 years to turn things around, while still keeping investing, you may well get new investesters, but I do not think they will come in and lose money, they will want a return very quickly, these are money men, and they don't do lose, I foresee bad times, worse then what you have at the moment coming, how much will season tickets go up, how much more corperate buiness will be invited in, less ordinary fan space, the old saying goes, be careful what you ask for, you might just get it, at what price.
01 Oct 2010 14:08:40
Ed what board member do you trust the most?
{Editor's Note: I can't really answer this as I don't know any of them. Martin Broughton is a straightforward guy it seems.}
01 Oct 2010 14:04:34
Thanks Kopite70 for the post - that was the same thing i was trying to explain but my problem is my bad english.
Hristo
Bulgaria
01 Oct 2010 14:03:46
OH SHHHugar- If Dec is a best case scenario (which rarely happens) there is a a good chance that things will drag on beyond the January transfer window.This would be a disaster as not only will it mean we are stuck with what we have all season but also we will not have many valuable players to trade next summer when I believe clubs will only be allowed to spend the same amount of money as they make in player sales.Hope I am wrong on that.
CR
{Editor's Note: Not much major ever really happens in January. The expenditure is not based on player sales but on club turnover being balanced with a number of caveats related to sponsorship, spending on youth and infrastructure etc. The best case for Liverpool, who are in reasonable financial shape, is to get rid of the debt and then free up additional funding from not needing to pay such steep interest payments. You probably need to go and look up the future financial rules to get the exact details.}
01 Oct 2010 13:55:19
Much of the nastiness from the press towards Liverpool over the takeover issue comes from the fact journalists are not been fed any relevant information because of confidentiality agreements signed by the Board and interested parties.
01 Oct 2010 13:52:22
RBS are not going to own LFC if any default on payments. . keep it real folks!
When any business is struggling to meet payments on a loan and it is going to become a liability to any bank they have 2 options. .force the sale or freeze elements of the interest in order to pay down the capital.
Force the sale - well we know the club are seeking new buyers usual suspects named and some outsiders
Freeze elements of the debt - RBS have probably had in excess of £120 million in interest and fees out of the Club (The original loan was for approx £215 million) So if RBS want to walk away from this without losing money their break even is approx £95 million so if they can get a H & G to lower their expectations and they won't load more debt onto them this could be a good option.
I think it's best we keep the capital & interest apart for now because they both have a bearing on what will force the sale or the H & G in to doing something!
RBS can force the price up if they want to recover everything or they can say we will reduce the interest and you reduce the price. . I suspect we are now in the position with the Bank & H & G negotiating with each other on what can be done.
What won't happen is LFC going into Administration. . bad PR for RBS after all they have extended loans etc and caused part of the problem.
You want to know what is happening with the sale! Ask where CP, IA & MB are at the moment!
Keep the faith
Kopite70
01 Oct 2010 13:50:24
Tut tut . how can so many believe we have or are about to be taken over. .
Mr B has struggled to find anyone who will get even near the asking price when Oct 6th 15th or what ever date it is goes by nothing is going to happen over night . .it could take months
Even at this late moment don't be surprised if Hicks comes up with the money. .
This season is a write off there is a bigger game a foot the. survival of Liverpool as we know it
01 Oct 2010 13:49:09
Ed when do you think the takeover will be completed by? and what score do you think it will be on sunday?
{Editor's Note: Nobody really knows when the new owners will be in place, and 4-1.}
01 Oct 2010 13:46:48
30 Sep 2010 19:47:01
GREAT NEWS! Deal done. I have regularly posted on here over the last few
weeks that Richard Branson would be buying LFC.
I can confirm that this deal is 99% done. The MD of investments Ian Ackerley and Claire Gates who
is Virgin Moneys MD have completed due diligence and the sale is almost done. Announcment I am told will be before the derby.
The only sticking point is that Hicks is pushing for more $. Greedy * * , I believe the price to be £340m but Hicks is determind
to push the price up and squeeze Branson for more.
Hicks is furious with Broughton and has said "not a dime less than $600m (£380m)"
You heard it here first guys.
Open up the bar its time to celebrate!
Razor-Red
. . . . . . . mines a VIRGIN COLA! Lol :-)
I have seen some funny rumours on this site, but this is without a doubt the best - Mr Branson is, on paper, an extremely wealthy man, but if you actually look into his finances, the majority of his funds are tied up in either ongoing business ventures or long term investments, therefore, on his own, he just cannot afford the club - He also has a ruthless track record of asset stripping companies and, above all, is a businessman who will insist on a hefty return.
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IF BRANSON BUYS LIVERPOOL -
BRANSON DOES NOT HAVE LOADS OF LIQUID ASSETS. SO I DOUBT ANY BIG SIGNINGS IN THE SHORT TERM. MY BET HE WOULD 'DO UP' THE CLUB, MAKING US MORE STABLE FINANCIALLY, EITHER BUILD THE NEW STADIUM OR IMPROVE ANFIELD AND THEN SELL ON TO ONE OF HIS COTACTS FOR A GOOD PROFIT.
{Editor's Note: Sir Richard Branson is certainly not buying Liverpool.}
01 Oct 2010 13:39:35
First of all the monthly intrests of the loan maybe are paid by the club. Maybe Liverpool fc have already paid them.
As for the principal of the debt I am not quite sure how the laws and statutes are in England but in Bulgaria, tha bank don't just get or sell by herself the collateral. First some period after the maturity of the loan must past. Then the bank send documents to the court and later - 1-3 months the court issues a writ which gives the bank the right to sell the collateral, but not by her self. Only the bailiff can do that. So this baliff makes an auction - he can seperatly sell diffrent things, or all things as a company. It is up to the bank. Then all the incoming money in the club will be sent directly to the accoun of this baliff. This is just an idea how things could go.
But if H&G must pay their debt on 6-16 Oct. and don't do it, then will start similar procedures will start, and it will take lots of time. The debtor - H&G will send lots of documents agains the actions of the baliff and it will take even more time. It may take several years to finish something like this. So please stop posting things like . . on 6 OCt the bank will takeover and will sell us to Mr. . . . on the cheap. It will not happen.
Sorry if I have some mistakes.
Hristo
Bulgaria
01 Oct 2010 13:39:20
Ed do you think we will have new owners soon and do you think we will beat blackpool on sunday?
{Editor's Note: It depends what you mean by "soon". But, I guess, no not soon. Yes we will beat Blackpool.}
01 Oct 2010 13:36:23
30 Sep 2010 20:54:35
Plenty of posts here saying get rid of Hodgson, this player is carp, he is this & that etc. Come on guys get real who else would have come to us with the state we are in. Once the new owners come in they will no doubt give him time to try and turn it around - if not then he is out. Until then we must show unity the way the Yonks aren't. I fell in love with Liverpool watching them in the 1974 Cup Final, I have seen some great sides play some wonderful football. I have also seen some woeful performances, but through it all we, the fans, maintain our support like no others ever do. Let's not let the negativity in the boardroom spill out onto the terraces. Stand up and show all others we are still the best. YNWA.
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I AGREE WITH THIS. I THINK THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT AT THE MOMENT.
01 Oct 2010 13:35:59
August von Finck a German billionaire investor had declared his intrest to buy liverpool fc he is worth 14 bn. My friends uncle is his driver over in Germany
01 Oct 2010 13:33:24
What can RH say or do?his hands are tied, he has to keep everybody happy, its not going to happen, just because you are Liverpool, it does not give you the divine right to success, magic wands do not exist, you know the club are in crisis, but choose to blame the manager, Id like to see any of you perform your work under these circumstances, the whole club structure needs to be changed, Rafa had his bad times, and you put up banners in( Rafa we trust, )its you the supporters who have become a laughing stock, lower your objectives, and encourage you manager and team.A Chelsea fan.
01 Oct 2010 13:27:18
Ed i've never been more worried kelly injured, agger injured, konchesky injured, aurelio injured, who on earth will play left back on sunday? robinson? {ed's note - Robinson and Mavinga are both very capable left backs, apparently so is Wilson, though I personally have never seen him play there. I would actually be more worried if Agger was at left back than I would be to see Robinson or Mavinga line up there.}
Ed I'm worried that they'll get bullied there like Kelly was yesterday. At least Kelly has had 450 minutes of game time this season, Robinson has had only 5 minutes in his entire career, while Mavinga has had a grand total of 0 minutes on the field. Oh and Wilson was tortured worse against Northapton that Kelly was against Utrecht yesterday.
01 Oct 2010 13:25:34
I think we can take a lot of positives from last nighrs performance.
we played good one touch stuff at times but torres unfortunately couldnt finish the game off.
things are gradually improving and if we beat blackpool on the weekend convincingly the players will get confidence and we will see a vast improvent
come on the reds!
ed do you have anything at all on the takeover issue?
west midlander red
{Editor's Note: There is no news on the takeover front.}
01 Oct 2010 13:10:48
Just to recap what i have said is that,
I believe that the club will have new owners soon (not days, more like weeks/ months). I have said all along that i am confident the americans will be gone. The info that i received was that everything is going well with the take over and i still stand by that.
The potential new owners will would be stupid to buy of the yanks when they can nick it off the bank.
We will have new owners soon.
Macca
01 Oct 2010 13:08:53
Please - stop with this "informing the FSA" rubbish.
I work in the City - RBS do *not* have to inform the FSA or anyone else for that matter other than parties to the loan/ debt agreement.
RedTed
01 Oct 2010 13:03:26
""{ed's note - I agree fully, the problem is that people saw the Man City takeover seemingly happen over night. But what they don't realise is that it took months and that Sheikh Mansour actually provided funds to buy Robinho as a statement of intent, long before he actually completed the takeover of the club.}"
It is nonsense! took months?? ED, when did Martin Broughton appointed as Chairman?? liverpool has also taken months to find buyers, isn't it? IF liverpool take over by someone TOMORROW, it also means took months! ED, pls answer me.TQ {ed's note - what has finding buyers got to do with how long it takes to be completed? That is a totally different thing, we were referring to how long it takes a buyer to complete a purchase, which is not going to be a matter of days.}"
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ED, how do you know there are no buyers? ?Besides, how about chelsea case?
{Editor's Note: I don't think the other Ed said that there is no buyer.}
01 Oct 2010 12:52:17
With the current ownership status of the club, and everything associated with that it would be nice for the team to actually put some performances in to keep disatisfied fans like myself going that better things are on the horizon, but recent performances don't do this. Some of Hodgson's selections really baffle me. Meireles on the right. An attacking 4-4-2 away from home at Man City, and defensive 4-2-3-1 at home to WBA. At present we carry no goal threat and it really makes me think whether Roy is the right man for the job. He had great success at Fulham but this is LIVERPOOL FC. His press conferences and post match interviews don't give me the confidence in his abilities at this level. We will be lucky to get back into the Europa League based on recent performances let alone the Champions League!
01 Oct 2010 12:48:51
Last nights performance was a disgrace, Woy needs to be told we are LIVERPOOL, not Fulham, lame excuses about it's a difficult game against awkward opposition tie don't wash and we won't put up with cr@p performances against a Dutch outfit no one had ever heard of.
Regardless of Sundays result, performances under Woy are woeful, he might be the easy option whilst they sell the club, but he can be in the same taxi as babel, as soon as the new owners are inplace….
01 Oct 2010 12:45:27
After last nights game i think roy should kick torres up the ass , all torres is showing is that hes bigger then the club , and moody , did anyone else see reina scream at torres 2 get back , all torres did was walk very slowly YNWA
01 Oct 2010 12:43:47
Well if we play 3-5-2 then it will solve the problem of our wings which would be ideal as we aint got no decent wingers i would line up like this
reina
. . .carra. . . . . soto. . . . .agger
johnson. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . konchesky
. . . . . . . .gerrard. . . meireles. . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . .cole. . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . torres. . . . . . ngog/ kuyt. . . .
i think this formation will cause a lot of problems for b-pool as cole can drop back into cm if we need him to but as we aint got any lb fit i would go for this formation
. . . . . . . . . . . . .reina. . . . . . . . . .
johnson. . .carra. . . . . soto. . . . . mavinga.
kuyt. . . . .gerrard. . . . .meireles. . . cole. .
. . . . . . . . torres. . . . . ngog/ jovanovic. .
but whatever the formation we cantafford to sit back and let b-pool take control we need to make a statement from the first whistle and go after them {ed's note - why would you want to play Kyrgiakos against a team that plays with a mobile front 3? He will be getting turned on a regular basis and it takes him a full 90 minutes to make a turn.}
01 Oct 2010 12:13:50
I hope that this rumour about a pakistani millionaire isn't true because i do do not want anymore bad publicity for our club like our owner is into match fixing etc like that chap who owns that croydon team that had their assets frozen anyway we need someone with more than just a few mill in their account cos itll take more than that to pull us out of this quicksand that those pathetic excuses for human beings have dragged us into, i genuinly think we are due some good luck cos it seems like someone has put some.kind of bad voodoo spell on our club but i do believe that in the end we will be ok and them leeches will get what they deserve in the end which hopefully will be nothing
01 Oct 2010 12:12:50
To the ed. could u tell me if its me or not , that last nights game roy never stood up once, i do belive when he was with fulham he always stood up getting his players going. all he did last night was sit on his ass , sammy lee was getting up more then him , i think roy has no passion 4 lfc YNWA {ed's note - Roy has passion, Danny Murphy will tell you, it is not his way to scream and shout much on the sidelines. I think he feels the same way as I do - a manager doing that is as much of a distraction and hindrance as he is a help. It can be distracting enough having the crowd screaming at you without hearing your manager shouting at you all match too. My opinion, from talking to people within the club, is that he feels the problem is a lack of confidence and he doesn't want to get on the player's backs and make it worse. But he definitely has passion for this job, he is desperate to succeed, he sees this as the defining moment of his career and knows that, despite being one of England's most successful ever managers, he will be judged by English fans on how well he does with us. Roy wants to be remembered in the right way and not from his time with Blackburn or as the man who took little Fulham to a UEFA Cup final. He wants to be the man who restored Liverpool to their throne and to be remembered as such.}
01 Oct 2010 12:09:30
Ed i've never been more worried kelly injured, agger injured, konchesky injured, aurelio injured, who on earth will play left back on sunday? robinson? {ed's note - Robinson and Mavinga are both very capable left backs, apparently so is Wilson, though I personally have never seen him play there. I would actually be more worried if Agger was at left back than I would be to see Robinson or Mavinga line up there.}
01 Oct 2010 12:01:31
Who would take the job?your expectations are for success, not for re-building, you need to adjust your targets as a fan base, a new manager has to come in with a 5 year re-building programme, but you don't have the patience for that, nor will new owners, you seem to think money will solve the problem, stability will solve your future, not spending on players who may only come for the money, a complete re-srtucturing of the club is needed, then out of the ashes the Liver birds may rise again. This is from a Chelsea fan. {ed's note - I fully agree mate, Chelsea didn't become a top side when Roman invested money in, they were a top side challenging for honours before Roman.}
01 Oct 2010 11:35:48
Morning Ed
Is it too early to say that Sundays game against Blackpool is massive to roys future and his relationship with the fans?
Personally I don't think he's winning anyone over with his formations ie Poulsen and Lucas together, playing Meireles out wide. Is there any difference in the way Rafa set his team up? ie defensive tactics and players not in there preferred poistions.
I didn't expect massive changes when he came in and he's only been there a couple of months but they seem to be obvious changes that fans can see but the manager can't/ won't
Also if we do lose Sunday (and I pray we don't) do you think he's days are numbered when the new owners come in? And they are would you be happy with Martin ONeil coming in as he knows the EPL or would you go for another foreign manager ie Rykaard (spelling) or Hiddink?
Quite a few questions and would like to hear your respnse
thanks
RedDan {ed's note - in my opinion it is too early, but these days people are far too busy reading ridiculous opinions in the tabloids, listening to them on Talksh*te and watching them on Sky and are all thinking short term. There is a slight difference - Lucas is given more freedom to get forward, the problem was with our overall play not giving him much chance to use that freedom. I don't think Roy wants to use Meireles out wide at all, it is a case of needs must until he can find the right player or the youngsters are ready. I don't think Roy ever had any real chance of staying when new owners came in, unless he did amazingly well from the start, and he knew that when he took the job. He truly believes he can do enough to keep the job though and you have to give him credit for that. As for who I would bring in, I have said many times that I don't really want a Hiddink, who will be just another stop gap appointment and I don't see MON as any kind of improvement at all, in fact he is barely better than Souness! I would like to see a young hungry manager, one who is ambitious but not looking to use us as a stepping stone to bigger things, but to make us the bigger thing. The guy who I would look at would be Sean O'Driscoll of Donnie, his team plays great football and he has built slowly and steadily a stronger squad, evolution not revolution, that is what we need.}
01 Oct 2010 11:15:09
I think this will be our best formation
Reina
Carra Skrtel Agger Kelly
Johnson Gerrard Meireles
Kuyt Cole
Torres
Sometimes gerard meybe little bit back, or if needed to be replaced by poulsen/ lucas, and also cole, kuyt can be replaced with n'gog and jovanovic
It will bring us back glory
Hristo
Bulgaria
01 Oct 2010 11:04:35
I am prepared for the long haul, but can a manager like O driscoll live with the pressure that goes with the Liverpool job and how would he convince the top players to play for us.Maybe starting from scratch is teh best way, but its very risky.
Michael Laudrup is an interesting one, he would have joined us a s player but we changed the contract lenght at the last minute and he went to Italy/ Spain instead and was extremely successful as a player.
At least you have put some thought into your choices. Lets see, it might need to get even worst before it gets better
RED FIRST & LAST {ed's note - I don't care about attracting the top players, Liverpool have never really bought those, we have never been about Galacticos. I would rather create them like Barca than buy them like Madrid, I know which policy is working better. Let's get back to basics, playing good, simple, pass and move football, players will come because it is Liverpool and over time they will join to play good football.}
01 Oct 2010 11:02:52
Im so glad i never watched the game last night, liverpool are now a boring team to watch they play with no passion no commitment, there is no point saying back your team, sing your heart out if they are going to come out and play like that every game, liverpool will struggle against blackpool
liverpool are in deep trouble with a s* t team, s* t manager and s* t owners.
01 Oct 2010 10:57:20
How about going 3-5-2
Reina
. . Carra. . Skrtel. . Agger. .
. . Johnson. . Aurelio/ Koncheskey
. Gerrard. Cole. Meireles. .
. . Torres. . .Kuyt
Yep - I quite like the 3 at the back and if 1 is injured I think Soto the Greek, has been decent for us, considering coming in on the cheap. So he could cover.
For me in this formation, I would play Gerrard central:
Reina
. . Carra. . Skrtel. . Agger. .
Johnson. . Konchesky
. Gerrard.
Meireles. .Cole.
. . Torres. . .Kuyt
01 Oct 2010 10:45:28
ED - Name some names - which up & coming managers with those goals are on your list? Convince me.
RED FIRST & LAST {ed's note - Sean O'Driscoll at Doncaster Rovers has impressed me, each year that club has moved forward under his management and they play fantastic football to watch. Otherwise I would look at Michael Laudrup (Liverpool fan) and Roberto Di Matteo (doing well so far). To be honest though, until I have sat down and spoken to all the possible managers, I wouldn't want to make a decision myself. I would want to know how enthusiastic they are, how they envisage the club playing and their future targets were. But my choice without that would be O'Driscoll.}
01 Oct 2010 10:39:38
1 Oct 2010 09:43:55
Please pleassseeee stop playing 2 holding defensive midfielders! I'm fed up of our negative set-up. We just invite teams to press onto us. . time to put the emphasise on attack - pressing other teams.
I would like to see us set up in a 4-3-3
Reina
Johnson Carra Agger Kelly
Gerrard Meireles Jovanovic
Kuyt Torres Cole
You may say this is narrow, but we have no natural width anywhere in the side - exception of an attacking Johnson.
Can anyone see where our next win is coming from - Blackpool will go 1 of 2 ways:
a) We expose the holes behind their defence because they like to play and attack, or,
b) They press and press us, taking every opportunity to attack and put us on the back foot and beat us
on current form what's more likely?
How about going 3-5-2
Reina
. . Carra. . Skrtel. . Agger. .
. . Johnson. . Aurelio/ Koncheskey
. Gerrard. Cole. Meireles. .
. . Torres. . .Kuyt
01 Oct 2010 10:33:21
We need new owners, new players, new manager and new coach (Lee is really really really s* te). No honestly he really is s* te.
Keep Gerrard, Torres, Miereles, Cole (only just) , Kuyt, Agger, Reina. The rest are all expendable, and would struggle to get into any top four team, including carra, give him a back room job to groom him for the managers job in fa few years , if he cuts the mustard!
Sorry Roy but you are not top quality, and stop making excuses. The way the team plays is down to you, your back room staff, your tactics, your motivational skills and your expectations.
We need someone with real balls of steel. Houlier was the last manager that had them, Rafa tried but lost the plot eventually.
Ancellotti, SAF and Wenger have them. We need to find someone with the same mental strenghts as these guys.
The next manager will be the most important signing for us in our history, not a striker or winger or defender. Roy cannot give us temporary success let alone long term success on the pitch.
Get Morinho, or Van Gaal, Hiddink, Cryuff (never know unless you ask him) These are the top guys with gold plated CVs.
Not MON or Sven or Roy or Klinsmann or some upcoming name from Sc* thorope or Preston NE. If we don't aim high we will always be second or dare i say it even third rate. We should be the most successful club on the pitch and commercially. We have massive massive amounts of fan support yet Arsenal & Chelsea make more money than us. How did that happen (Mr Moores! ) We are paying for years of mistakes and underinvestment (10 years or more). lots of catching up to do. I hate to say it but we need a SAF type, takes no crap from players, media, agents etc Watch him boot Rooney out if he does not fall into line at Man U.
I do not have the answers, but I know what the question should be, Have we got the right manager regardless of who owns the club and how much money we might not have? I wanted to give Roy 10 league games before I made my mind up. I can't wait that long any more. He does not instill confidence or hope or pride in anyone. (ED: What do you think, are we now so poor that we cannot even aim to get the best anymore.)
Only a few days left hopefully, before the club reaches the point of no return. Come on RBS do the right thing, kick the yanks out, the recovery can then begin and we can start ot believe again.
RED FIRST AND LAST {ed's note - getting a big name in is not the answer. Big name coaches come in with big demands and not necessarily the hunger and desire to build a dynasty, which is what we require. We need an up and coming young coach who will see this as his chance to become a big name coach, the chance to blaze his name into football history and is willing to look at building a club that will last for generations rather than having a good year then moving on to another club.}
01 Oct 2010 09:57:43
I think we should sign robbie savage to add some bite to the midfield. tbh, he can't be worst than lucas
01 Oct 2010 09:43:55
Please pleassseeee stop playing 2 holding defensive midfielders! ! I'm fed up of our negative set-up. We just invite teams to press onto us. . time to put the emphasise on attack - pressing other teams.
I would like to see us set up in a 4-3-3
Reina
Johnson Carra Agger Kelly
Gerrard Meireles Jovanovic
Kuyt Torres Cole
You may say this is narrow, but we have no natural width anywhere in the side - exception of an attacking Johnson.
Can anyone see where our next win is coming from - Blackpool will go 1 of 2 ways:
a) We expose the holes behind their defence because they like to play and attack, or,
b) They press and press us, taking every opportunity to attack and put us on the back foot and beat us
on current form what's more likely?
01 Oct 2010 09:21:14
How bad was that, Utrecht, made Liverpool look very ordinary, slow and void of ideas, when other clubs draw Liverpool, they must think, weve got a good draw lets attack and we could win, Blackpool have nothing to lose at the weekend, so they can have a real go at you, Stevie G back problems, Torres mind problems and Cole not fit, the whole team is in dissaray, 1st of October and all you can hope for is, next season and new money, dont forget no new players of world class quality will join, until you are back in the CL, at best that's 2 seasons away, at worst 4 seasons, the vultures are circling above Anfield, bye, bye Liverpool.Blue Noeses.
01 Oct 2010 08:49:36
For some reason Roy doesn't see Agger before Baldy,
I have no unerstanding as to why, but he seems to think he should sit and wait for a left back to hobble off and to be honest they are.
Skrtel? not for me. He was a good defender, i went to watch england at wembley againt slovakia a long while back and he was aweful, i can't remember him having a great game sinse. To play cole and meireles on the flanks was a massive mistake, and reading his report before the game he said his mistakes against northampton had been learned from. I know we have no width but NOT giving Babel the chance to prove himself in my eyes is stupid, i personally don't rate Babel but Roy said its a clean slate yet would rather play a cm in the wrong position. Why can our players shoot? How many shots were scuffed or dragged wide? Profesionals that can't shoot?
I have supported LFC for near on 30 years and will do so for the rest of my days on earth but i can't help as to wonder why profesionals can't pass, control or shoot, it is so frustrating. Something clearly isn't right, im not for sacking the manager, i wanted Roy over your sven's, but maybe Sammy Lee is a problem, i was told that Gerrard doesn't see him as a great coach, obviously the takeover is affecting the squad as it is us fans, is becoming a soap opera, and rather than move players all over the pitch we should play our best 11 and work hard. Johnson out! Or wide right with Kelly behind, Carra and Agger, Konchesky. Raul and stevie, Jovanavic told he must use the flanks, and not to forget to take the ball with him. cole behind Torres
Poulson and Lucas for me would fight for a seat on the bench, the pair of them are just not for LFC. Ahead of the pair Shelvey would be next in line for a place in the middle, he young but he's got it. Wilshire at the Arsenal is showing that given the chance he will be a true great, Shelvey for me can develope with trust and playing time. Cant undersatnd the lack of vision and creativity. Some of these players just don't appear to have the fire burning to do well, Johnson is so lack luster i could scream, doesn't appear to be trying, Lucas lazy pass to give the ball away then get booked haking to make up for his error, i see this up the 5 aside on a monday, I hope the players do read this page, and if your night up for the fight, take your cheque and move aside let the young Shelvey's come through and show the desire.
01 Oct 2010 08:26:24
Having watched the game against Utretch yesterday I am totally convinced that we will not be able to take one of the top four place in EPL. Our players lack passion and comittment. I was totally bewildered in seeing professional footballers playing like cowards! Please Mr Hodgson for god sake leave our beloved club, you are not fit to manage this great club.Raul Mireilles and Joe cole seems to be completely loss in you system! Totally disgusting. . . .
Totally agree with the above. Playing Lucas and Poulsen together! , why? They're too similiar and get in each others way. With the squad we currently have why can't we see a I midfield of Kuyt, gerrard, meireles and jovanoic with cole playing just behind Torres.
I'm going to the game on Sunday and I'm seriously worried that Blackpool will run us ragged and win by a couple of goals if he plays a similiar team to last night
I know you can't make massive changes overnight roy but come on at the moment we are no better than last season
RedDan
01 Oct 2010 07:52:51
"Please Mr Hodgson for god sake leave our beloved club, you are not fit to manage this great club"
Will people please ask themselves this question before they come on here asking Roy Hodgson to leave after two months - are we Newcastle United? Is that how we do things now? Because if the answer is yes the club is screwed and everything Shankly, Paisly etc worked for is lost. Lost to a bunch of idiots with no intelligence, or knowledge of the game, who were educated by idiot pundits on Sky & Talksport.
(It's funny, but when I speak to other Lfc fans they all seem quite clued up, it's only on here that I encounter opinions that make me want to scream. Hmmm?)
01 Oct 2010 07:34:58
"Stop passing the buck and just blaming it all on Hodgson & the players you claim to be supporters of. ."
Absolutely damn right, you hear players saying they love to play for LFC because we are the best suporters in the world then you hear that deafening silence on Saturdays - not that we ever seem to get a game on Saturdays now - and you think really? Are we the best fans in the world? We get out-sang at our own ground every week. Torres is probably thinking I left Atletico for this.
You expect players to show commitment, but don't even have the stamina and commitment to sing for 90 minutes and it's your HOME TOWN CLUB - so why should a spaniard, dutch, portugese, brazilian give a rats apse.
Why do we want a bigger stadium? Can you imagine how embarrassing it will be to sit in a 60,000 seater in ABSOLUTE TOTAL SILENCE.
01 Oct 2010 06:27:15
Having watched the game against Utretch yesterday I am totally convinced that we will not be able to take one of the top four place in EPL. Our players lack passion and comittment. I was totally bewildered in seeing professional footballers playing like cowards! Please Mr Hodgson for god sake leave our beloved club, you are not fit to manage this great club.Raul Mireilles and Joe cole seems to be completely loss in you system! Totally disgusting. . . .
01 Oct 2010 06:06:40
Ed can a player play for the first team without a squad number? i saw wisdom on the bench against northampton and he doesn't have a number
{Editor's note - I am nearly sure you have to have atleast a number on the back of your top, if he was a sub he could have changed his top before coming on}
01 Oct 2010 05:43:14
Hello guys, im starting to get bored now of all the get rid of roy, this player aint good enough, that player is this. get a grip lads. its the squad we have for the campaign so lets just get behind the side roy puts out, support all we can and keep hopin. i understand the performance wasnt great but we didn't loose, there was flashes of good play but very rare. the new players havent been great but what ever happened to a season to bed in? ? that doesn't seem to exist with lfc, with any other club it seems to be ok! ! to the peeps who want to judge on the last 4 - 5 games, just wait till xmas and then judge it could be alot worse but i rdckon it will be a lot more rosie. . . bear with roy sportsfans! !
01 Oct 2010 04:37:27
Pakistan millionare Ubaitullah takeover is completed.
Stadium sharing with Everton is possibility and funding for player in Jan will be provided 50m excluding any out going players proce , Club will be runned by his son Salim Khan.
01 Oct 2010 03:40:52
Just imagine what Blackpool is going to do to us in Sunday.
If I were Roy, this is the time to be more attacking and start with 4-1-2-3.
Reina
Johnson Skrtel Agger Kelly
Meireles
Gerrard Cole
Kuyt Torres Jovanovic
Ed, do you agree with me?
Californiafan
{Editor's note - Yes, I think Blackpool are weak at the back and Torres will give them a nightmare, I would start Ngog against Blackpool}
01 Oct 2010 02:23:14
Hi all,
please stick with it everyone, we have the spine of a great team & one that with half a dozen additions could well challenge for honours once again.
pepe
?? ?? ? agger? ? ?
?? ? gerrard mierales cole
?? ? torres
now with the right takeover & get in real class players we could well be challenging the top teams next season, well this is what im hoping for anyway.what do you think ed? would you add anyone else out of our squad who you would call class who would push one of the players listed above?
lfcscott {ed's note - I can't think of anyone else to add to that list, I am not sure I would put Agger in there either.}yes sorry i know what you mean mate but i only put agger in there because outta all our defenders i only trust him really/
01 Oct 2010 02:07:28
Forgot to sign off on those two supporter criticism posts by the way.
They were from me Irish Kev.
COME ON YOU REDS! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
01 Oct 2010 02:02:43
{ed's note - I agree totally with what you are saying. I always used to be in awe of the Kop and never went in there, except for a few early cup matches, because my memory is rubbish and I never remember the words to the songs so can't join in the singing. Nowadays I would fit in nicely as nobody is singing in there anyway! If the crowd got behind the players and cheered them on, no matter what, then it could make all the difference to a team low on confidence. Istanbul showed that no matter how low the players feel, the crowd can raise their game by cheering them on.}
Thank you, so i'm not losing it. .just yet anyway!
Even if there were fans in there (The Kop) just humming along at the moment it might make a difference! Every effort is appreciated.
I'll put it this way, anytime the fans got behind the team ie Man Utd at home in 3 - 3 draw in 90's we played off the chart (amazing atmosphere),
Auxerre at home (came back from the dead in 90's - awesome atmosphere), PSG at home (nearly came back from the dead - awesome atmosphere).
Chelsea, Olympiacos, Leverkusen, Juve, Arsenal, Chelsea again all in recent Champs Lg games (All fantastic unexpected success's probably mainly due to the players heart & extra determination because the fans were brilliant). Man Utd at home last season also for the most part. The positive results are endless when the supporters get 101% behind the team as your example of Istanbul also shows "ed's". We've obviously had some poor results with good support too but not nearly as much.
The good far outweighs the bad.
Whats the point in a new owner building a 60,000 - 70,000 seater stadium if ye all stay quiet?
I CHALLENGE all Liverpool supporters going on Sunday to sing their fuc*ing heart out on Sunday & make any perspective buyers hair stand up on the back of their necks like it did for and still does (on the very rare occasion it now happens) for me.
If you truely love this amazing, beautiful old club then you'll do it & tell your mates to do it too.
Treat it like a derby or a Manure match.
Spread the word amongst the fans that we need to support the lads. Especially if you're in The Kop.
Nobody is gonna look at you like you have two heads & if they do, they shouldn't be there!
YOU ALL can make a difference starting Sunday!
Wheres your passion gone guys?
If you lot don't show your passion, why should Torres?
He's as disillusioned because you don't sing the song anymore "The armband said he was a red Torres, Torres" etc as he is about his form, confidence & so on probably if he's disillusioned at all. Probably feels unloved right now!
Stop passing the buck and just blaming it all on Hodgson & the players you claim to be supporters of.
COME ON! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Sing you'll never walk alone over & over, Steve Gerrard Gerrard, The Torres song.
Make the difference now before its too late & you all come on here on Sunday night saying so & so should be sold, Roy should be sacked blah blah.
COME ON YOU REDS & SHOW YOUR PASSION! ! ! !
01 Oct 2010 01:55:15
Hi all,
please stick with it everyone, we have the spine of a great team & one that with half a dozen additions could well challenge for honours once again.
pepe
?? ?? ? ?? ? agger ? ?? ?
? ?? ? gerrard mierales cole
? ?? ? torres
now with the right takeover & get in real class players we could well be challenging the top teams next season, well this is what im hoping for anyway.what do you think ed? would you add anyone else out of our squad who you would call class who would push one of the players listed above?
lfcscott {ed's note - I can't think of anyone else to add to that list, I am not sure I would put Agger in there either.}
01 Oct 2010 01:04:14
G' Day
I have been a passionate Liverpool fan for 15 years admiring from down under though I live in the US now and funnily enough in Texas having seen not only what the greedy yanks have done to us but also the FRANCHISES over here.
It is easy to be negative at the lowest point and even easier to point fingers though please understand what sets Liverpool apart from the rest it the FANS, Keep the faith and don't forget the past, For myself like most I have never seen Liverpool lift the premiership and even if they don't again in my life time Ill support the club regardless the way we all should with pride and integrity.
Thanks for reading my little speech, YNWA Berso.
01 Oct 2010 00:19:59
Jesus Chris* will you all get off the players backs? ?
Moan moan fuc*ing moan!
You lot are seriously starting to sound like old women!
We're top of the Europa group FFS.
If we win on Sunday against Blackpool (the mighty one & only Blackpool) we go back into the top half of the table.
No wonder player confidence is so low!
You lot are not helping!
We have no divine right to beat anyone!
We've gotta earn the wins by playing well & supporting our club.
Its a known fact that teams always do better at home (if their fans take their fingers out & supports them for 90 mins not moans at every single error).
Yes we're not playing awesome attacking football but how many teams are right now?! Arsenal & Barcelona maybe but guess what. both of those teams lost at home to West Brom & Hercules respectively so you can't have it both ways all the time.
Get a grip people (so called fans).
Support your team & stop whining like a bloody husky in heat!
Our season is only just underway.
I'm not a big fan of Roy myself but he's here now for a while so while he's here get behind the team.
The game against Sunderland last weekend, we played poor yes but where was the vocal support?
It took nearly 70 mins to hear as much as a murmur out of The Kop! WTF! This is the world famous KOP i'm talking about?! Sunderland fans like Northampton fans put US fans to shame.
Now, starting with Blackpool - Get off yer ars* & please get shouting, screaming & singing yer hearts out for the players!
The players can't do it alone, as they've always said the 12th man (US) makes all the difference. Maybe more so now that their confidence is at a low level.
So stop moaning & support the team on Sunday & see if it makes much of a difference! I'd bet it will & we'll hammer them two or three nil if we have some luck for a change too.
Some people have asked on here earlier when we last played well for 90 mins. Well, my question is when have YOU sung your heart out last for 90 mins?
Its a two way street. The players need the fans like we the club need the players!
Now COME ON & show Blackpool how a real club work! Make them jealous of us!
Ed, am i losing it or do ya think these are fair points?
This negativity is useless to everyone, seriously! ! {ed's note - I agree totally with what you are saying. I always used to be in awe of the Kop and never went in there, except for a few early cup matches, because my memory is rubbish and I never remember the words to the songs so can't join in the singing. Nowadays I would fit in nicely as nobody is singing in there anyway! If the crowd got behind the players and cheered them on, no matter what, then it could make all the difference to a team low on confidence. Istanbul showed that no matter how low the players feel, the crowd can raise their game by cheering them on.}