Liverpool Banter Archive November 01 2015

01 Nov 2015 18:23:57
Ojo scored a good goal yesterday and looks like he has real pace to burn and the physical presence to do well in the premiership. I have a question Eds, is Wolves a good place for Ojo to learn and develop? He seems to be getting game time but is their coaching and set up good for him compared to Ilori or Wisdom who just appear to be wasting their time on loan?

{Ed001's Note - it is ok, not convinced it is ideal, especially as the club is in turmoil owner wise, with Morgan looking to sell up. That makes it more difficult for the manager to take a chance on him.}

01 Nov 2015 20:14:02
Thanks Ed was not aware of their ownership issues. At least with Klopp in charge he will be given every opportunity to succeed going forward.

01 Nov 2015 20:51:17
Going forward and hopefully in defense.

02 Nov 2015 12:35:19
Sheyi Ojo, Andre Wisdom, Lazar Markovic, Danny Ward and Jordan Williams should be in the 1st team squad next season in my opinion.

01 Nov 2015 16:05:36
The more I watch Jamie vardy the more I think he would fit perfectly into the way we now play, he's fast, direct, decent finisher can go past a man and has fantastic work rate. what do you reckon he would cost.

01 Nov 2015 16:13:49
£15m
I like him but he could always be a 1 season wonder or once he's at a big club like Liverpool he could stop putting in the hard work because he thinks he's made it. Don't see any point in buying him to be honest with studge and Ings to eventually come back.

01 Nov 2015 16:14:17
15 million plus loads of admirers across the league. I would give Markovic a fair chance. Fast. Can beat a man. Decent goal scoring records in the past. Very young. And would cost ZERO.

01 Nov 2015 16:23:32
2 different positions, Markovic and Vardy. Watching Vardy and Leicester remind of Liverpool 2 years ago when we just went all out attack.

01 Nov 2015 16:23:40
One season wonder a bit like Kane let United waste their money on them.

01 Nov 2015 17:21:50
Another vote for 1 season wonder.

01 Nov 2015 17:35:10
if he keeps on scoring his price can beeven higher than 15m. He is not a kid either, 28 I think. This may push his price down but also make him less atractive.

01 Nov 2015 17:36:14
I think we have ings to do that.

01 Nov 2015 17:39:18
Agree. Seen quite a few 1 season wonders recently - Caroll, Michu, Kane. Let's talk if he does it again next season.

01 Nov 2015 17:45:30
Rage reds bang on with ings.

01 Nov 2015 18:45:40
I think we need more of a wing forward more than a central forward. Mane, Mahrez, Berrardi, Felipe Anderson, Alex Teixeira types, particularly of Lallana doesn't step up, or Coutinho goes in the summer. All of them have pace too.

01 Nov 2015 19:15:09
agree, we did not replace sterling even tho we got 50 million for him, we really could do with a winger/forward who has goals and assists to his game,
I do not agree ref Kane, who I think will become a great striker .

01 Nov 2015 22:04:23
We have Tekkers, Studge and Ings upfront with Origi and Firmino also options, so even if they might be injury prone I can't see us buying another striker unless we sell one first.

A winger though is a different matter, we have limited options there except Markovic (on loan), and Ibe (or perhaps Firmino at a push but I think he's a natural 10). I could see us going for a Mane or Ayew type player if we manage to sell one or two non-critical players from the squad.

Personally though I'd bring back Markovic and invest elsewhere if we plan to buy anyone at all.

01 Nov 2015 23:05:43
No point in buying another Brendan Rodgers-style acquisition. That is, overpaying for mediocre talent.

We already have enough CFs.

If we decide to get rid of Sturridge (too unreliable), then we should acquire a CF that would work best in Klopp's system-- a player in the mold of Aubameyang, with pace, power, and pressing ability.

That is, not Jamie Vardy.

02 Nov 2015 07:45:29
If we are going to get rid of Sturridge - mistake IMO - and we are going to stick with 1 up top, then we have enough strikers with Benteke, Ings, Origi and Firmino if required. Ings is an ideal backup/impact sub. Quick, busy, good finisher and deceptively good in the air. We don't need another striker if we are sticking with 1 up top.

02 Nov 2015 09:30:29
10 decent games and people are saying we need vardy lol. He's on a good run but he's always going to be decent player in average teams. No top team would go near him and I'll doubt he'll continue his run beyond Xmas. He's 28 as well so isn't going to improve if at all from where he is right now.

02 Nov 2015 12:37:06
I don't think Coutinho will be going anywhere any time soon. Klopp have demanded control over player sales and no one will leave if he doesn't want them to.

01 Nov 2015 14:17:22
I think the main thing to take from yesterday's game is how long since you've enjoyed watching us play like that? Yeah Chelsea were poor, but they're not the worst team in the league, and we haven't beat anyone by 2 goals, and we've played lower placed teams.

01 Nov 2015 17:38:03
I agree, great fun to watch, althou as with all good things, there was also a strong sense of we should do it more often.

02 Nov 2015 00:10:58
For me (and this will sound strange) but we've improved in each of our league matches since Klopp arrived; we are by no means perfect and I'm sure we will have off games; but you only have to look at Skrtel and Sakho (who teams targeted when playing us) and how Klopp has made us more effective.

NB: I still do not rate Skrtel as highly as other players and think he can be a liability but if Klopp can teach him and he performs I'll happily change my mind and do an Adam (apologise on here ;o) )

01 Nov 2015 13:04:04
Not sure you guys noticed Ibe's reaction to our third goal. He was just about to come in when Benteke scored and he went on his knees while celebrating. I think that really showed togethernes of this team, I loved it!

01 Nov 2015 13:53:21
That was the second goal. Ibe assisted the third goal for Benteke, albeit with a simple pass.

There definitely has been an improvement in team spirit and that is down to Klopp's man management.

01 Nov 2015 20:24:16
Helps when the players see how Jurgen and the coaching staff get so pumped when we score, it's like we're becoming a team again, proud moment and a tear in my eye 😢.

01 Nov 2015 23:25:39
I noticed also how Texeira celebrated. For a player of his age and the limited time he's had playing in the first team, his attitude seems excellent, hope we see more of him.

01 Nov 2015 12:35:17
There are rumours that Jordan Rossiter will leave on a free transfer in the summer when his contact is up, Do you think he will be offered a new contract and do you think he has a future at the club?

01 Nov 2015 13:24:34
It's up to him. If he stays and applies himself he will get a chance under Klopp. You could tell by Klopp's reaction to his injury that he wants to have a look at him.
If he wants to go then good luck to him.

01 Nov 2015 20:26:55
I'm with you on this one Ron, what an opportunity for the younger players to have the chance to work under a really good manager like Jurgen. They should be jumping through hoops to impress.

01 Nov 2015 10:55:58
chelsea fans, their manager and the team needt to reassess where they are. EVERY team gets poor decisions from linesmen and refs, so what? that's partly why this is a beautiful game and adds to the excitement. Its how a team fights its way through the troubled times that show the real character of the team. Last season we were seriously lacking in any form of team spirit, but we are now starting to show some of the mettle that all good teams have. Chelsea had it two years ago, but they have focussed all their energy on moaning that they have lost their way. Costa is an animal that should never be allowed on an English pitch and he along with some of his moaning team mates need to sort themselves out. The class shown by Skyrtl in that awful tackle, compared to the crowd around the ref trying to get Lucas sent off for a non foul says it all. They knew without Lucas and only 10 men they may have a chance, but why not win a game in a fair and honest way, like LFC did?
Well done to all the boys and the team spirit generated by Klopp on this young group of players. We played OK, beat the champions on their home ground, but most importantly, we won the moral high ground and showed some class, unlike chelsea. i'm a happy chappy today.

01 Nov 2015 11:29:51
Fine post'Tel', my sentiments exactly. There's no place to hide in the EPL, not even for the 'Special One'. 'The king is in his altogether'!

01 Nov 2015 12:12:40
Well said Tel, good to have you back posting again.

01 Nov 2015 14:19:18
Costa is no different to Suarez all we all loved Suarez when he played for us. I have also seen Gerrard in his day having "a word" with the ref to make sure he came to the right decision.

{Ed001's Note - that is why I never liked Suarez either.}

01 Nov 2015 15:38:11
Careful Ed001, Harry might have an aneurysm if you talk about Suarez like that!

{Ed001's Note - at least we would get peace then!}

01 Nov 2015 17:14:46
That's ok AG. I have my hands on Lucas 😎😎😎😎.

01 Nov 2015 18:48:32
That sounds like something Lucas or for that matter, anyone, would want you avoid Harry. Keep your hands to yourself lad ;)

01 Nov 2015 09:23:17
Still smiling about yesterday but I know I mustn't get carried away. I know it's difficult! i just wanted to say how much skrtel seems to have gone back to the no nonsense defending and it suits his game, much improved. Milner is an odd one for me, when he signed I was fairly happy, at city when he came off the bench he made a difference, and thought he could have a similar effect for us. However, I don't think he should of been made VC, a new player should never be given that responsibility from day one for two reasons. What does it say to the rest of the team, and it makes the player complacent as they feel they have proved themselves. I personally feel that is what Milner is suffering from. He needs to go back to being that impact player with 20 mins or so left. I would have either Lucas or sakho as VC but think it would be difficult thing to change for a new coach.

01 Nov 2015 10:48:42
Once Milner came off Yesterday he gave the armband to Skrtel, so he's probably the third choice.

01 Nov 2015 15:05:13
Don't forget that when Milner was made vice captain Sakho and Lucas were reportedly on their way out. So how could they have been vc.

{Ed001's Note - just makes the previous manager look even more of a fool really doesn't it?}

01 Nov 2015 15:39:06
Liverpool paid over the odds for a decent PL player that is Milner. Thanks Brendan.

01 Nov 2015 21:02:02
Freebie?

{Ed001's Note - signing fee, agents fees, £165k a week, etc is hardly free.}

01 Nov 2015 21:37:58
True but at least we didn't pay that AND a transfer fee as well. Still looking like bad business but then lots of people were happy enough when he was signed and it looked like good business.

01 Nov 2015 09:02:06
Surprised nobody has picked up that Rodgers has never managed to beat Chelsea (3 draws and 3 losses) yet Klopp does it on his first go.
Think that getting the results against the big teams is key to deciding our top 4 fate, something that Rodgers never managed to do.

01 Nov 2015 09:40:02
i did not like rodgers, but to be fair to him this is the worst i have seen chelsea play in the last 15 years. it was abit like when man utd beat us 3-1 early on this season. don't get to carried away klopp has a lot to do yet great start we have been lucky to start like we did and be still this close to the top 4.

01 Nov 2015 11:15:29
Gringo, I agree that Chelsea are dire but under BR and had we gone a goal down, we would never have won because BR would never had shown the guile, hunger and bravery to go and get the win like we did under Klopp. That is a fact.

01 Nov 2015 12:17:04
I like the way klopp doesn't wait too long for subs, he's done a couple at half time, benteke got half an hour not ten minutes.

01 Nov 2015 12:20:35
¿Gringo? Si, que pasa.

01 Nov 2015 16:36:26
agree with the point on subs, Klopp is proactive and makes smart tactical shifts earlier in the fame when still time to impact the balance, rather than a late random throwing on of various strikers in a desperate attempt to score.

01 Nov 2015 05:59:03
Long time reader, occasional poster. I am still jumping with joy at the result from yesterday. Full of innocent optimism (as we tend to be after every new managerial appointment, except hodgson)

Wanted to make a special mention of Skrtel. He gets a lot of stick, but I really respect him for not reacting or getting drawn in with Costa yesterday.

01 Nov 2015 14:19:47
The look he gave him after the kick. It was like i would react be I know I don't need to and shouldn't. Nice bit of maturity.

31 Oct 2015 21:53:12
if you about ED001, what are your thoughts on today's game? I truly believe we deserved the 3 points today and played well but do you think Chelsea contributed to that more than how well we played? I'm not saying I lived it but Chelsea seemed very toothless today. I have to say I was a keen admirer of Milner and when we signed him I was delighted seemed a good choice in my eyes and a model professional but the more he settles in at us the less sense it is making to me. don't get me wrong I think he a good player but I'm questioning is he the type we need at the minute. Hopefully onwards and upwards for rest of the campaign now.

{Ed001's Note - it was a well deserved 3 points, we were clearly the better team on the day, partially due to the way Chelsea played, not just their defending deep but their attitude. They are listening to the pathetic whines Mourinho is making and taking it to heart. It has stopped being a siege mentality and become a 'everyone is against us wah wah wah' mentality. When Costa kicked out at Skrtel and should have been sent off, the Liverpool players just accepted it and got on with it, even though it was clear the ref saw it and decided to take no action. When Lucas made a foul that usually results in a yellow card and had already been booked (though to be fair Ramires was already slipping over and fell into the challenge which made it look worse so maybe the ref saw that), the Chelsea players were so busy getting all whiny about Lucas not seeing red that they forgot to play. That is what won us the game, our attitude. We focused on the game, they focused on the officials.

As for Milner, he runs around a lot, but he offers nothing. He has been the same everywhere he has been. At some point in his career someone should have been giving him tactical coaching, that would have made a massive difference to him. Only time will tell if it is too late for him to learn when and where to run.

I have to say well done to Skrtel in particular, normally he has a tendency to get drawn in to running battles with opponents like Costa, but yesterday he avoided that and concentrated on the game. He needs to keep this level of performance up now.}

01 Nov 2015 05:41:14
Assisted by Fiminhio
Goal scored by Coutinhio
Jose Morhinio, Jose Morinhio.

01 Nov 2015 06:08:17
Well Ed01, Do you remember when Milner was signed, We asked a question to this page.
Y do you need another Henderson when Can is pretty much there to step in.

01 Nov 2015 06:45:35
Like you ed I'm not usually Skrtel's biggest fan but he was at least on par with Sakho yesterday. Very impressive.

As for Milner, not only does he need tactical coaching, but he also needs technical coaching. He can't control a semi-difficult pass to save his life. Every time we try to coordinate an attacking move around the box he f***s it all up by leaving the ball behind his feet, or touching it too hard, or doing something else completely useless. But seriously, was he that technically deficient at City? Because despite the limited amount of times I watched him, I don't remember that level ineptitude from him.

{Ed001's Note - I think his confidence is shot to be honest.}

01 Nov 2015 07:30:24
What happened to his Crossing is one big question. He did play wide at city.

01 Nov 2015 08:55:21
Milner is a good techinal player! It is to be seen if he can do it over 90 minutes. But

He will play every game he is fit simply because of his work rate, when your wanting a high press system someone like Milner sets the tempo. Klopp had grotzketz I think its not spelt like that but he had him in the team even though he was a level below others but through his sheer work rate.

Milner does need to raise his game but he will always play.

01 Nov 2015 09:45:19
Hard graft without quality is no use to LFC or Klopp. Grosskreutz got replaced by Marco Reus when they got him.

01 Nov 2015 10:55:07
Did he?

He musnt of played in the champions league final then, sorry.

01 Nov 2015 11:28:29
With you, Eds. I thought Skrtel had a solid game even though I think he should have closed Azpi down a lot better and not allowed the cross for the first goal. As for Milner, he should never have been bought and now, we are playing with ten men potentially because he offers little going forward and is terrible at tackling and defending. Hopefully, he can improve under Klopp because when Hendo comes back, he won't be playing, IMO.

01 Nov 2015 14:07:32
He did get replaced by a more talented player in Reus. Right now, he is stuck playing for BvB's reserves.