Liverpool Banter Archive April 01 2017

01 Apr 2017 22:21:01
Gotta love derby days! Well that is the red half of Merseyside that is.
Thought we thoroughly deserved the win and apart frm some shameful refereeing would have won by a better 3-1 score line. Barkley is a disgrace and would love retro respect action taken against him. A few awful 'tackles' today then had the cheek to throw himself to the ground and dive what a bellend! Enough of me talking about that the game should be remembered for a true lfc legend in 'Bugsy ' YNWA.

01 Apr 2017 19:47:13
Just wondering if the eds have any idea of who would be Lfc's back up plan to Brandt? Assuming the Brandt deal to Bayern goes through?

{Ed002's Note - I previously suggester Max Meyer.}

01 Apr 2017 23:27:11
Hey ed - sorry, but can you confirm if Bayern have actually started negotiations for Brandt?

{Ed002's Note - Nothing is finalised and it would not be out of the question to see this as a deal for 2018.}

01 Apr 2017 18:28:42
Ed1, know you're a busy man but would really appreciate your take on a few things. 1) What is your opinion on Ronaldinho? Thought he was a wonderful player and seemed a nice guy, shame he seemed to peak earlier then decline rather quickly. 2) If you could only pick one player in their prime between Ronaldinhio, Messi and Ronaldo who would you pick and why?

{Ed001's Note - Ronaldinho was obscenely talented but more interested in partying than playing football and that is why his career peaked so early. He simply lacked desire and application to match his supreme talent.

Ronaldo is, or rather was, the perfect physical ideal of a footballer, incredibly fast, explosive acceleration, strong, great in the air and has fantastic technique to match. Unfortunately, while a genuinely nice guy off the pitch, on the pitch he is far too selfish and is not a team player on it, so he would be my third pick of them, for that reason.

Ronaldinho would be second choice, despite being the more naturally talented of the trio. Winning was not everything for him, he was more interested in looking good and having fun than winning.

Messi would have to be the choice, even though I do not like him or anything he stands for. He has that nasty win at all costs mentality that you need to win titles, as well as being more of a team player than Ronaldo.}

01 Apr 2017 18:54:48
Thanks Ed1 much appreciated. Totally agree with you regarding Ronaldo, really selfish player on the pitch but has/ had all the attributes that you envisage with the perfect footballer. Regarding Ronaldinhio, if only he applied himself he could have gone down as the greatest, sad when you think about it.

{Ed001's Note - it feels like a waste of talent. When you look at someone like Kante, who gives 100% from the moment he steps on the pitch, never stops running and chasing for the team, can you imagine if he had Ronaldinho's talents?}

01 Apr 2017 19:20:42
Ronaldhino is my favourite player of all time, but i think what if he had aplpied himself further.

01 Apr 2017 21:16:32
Inesta better than both.

01 Apr 2017 21:54:48
Who would you guys say was the best number 9 between Brazilian Ronaldo and Suarez?

{Ed002's Note - Measured how?}

01 Apr 2017 22:24:31
At their peak? Ronaldo. He was devastating.

01 Apr 2017 20:05:18
Ed where would you rate zidane with them 3.

{Ed001's Note - below, way below. He was even more of a showboater than Ronaldinho, in that it was all about the tricks and flicks for him, rather than being effective first. Great player but those three are on a whole other level to him.}

02 Apr 2017 02:33:30
Brazilian ronaldo, Suarez will go down as one of the best strikers of our generation but ronaldo is probably the greatest striker of all time at his peak. Pele statistically but let's face it ronaldo was far and away a more talented player than pele. He would be my striker in an all time starting 11.

{Ed001's Note - the 'fat' Ronaldo, at his peak, was probably the best player I have ever watched play in my lifetime. Everything he did was effective, it made a difference.}

01 Apr 2017 22:29:56
Ed2, who'd win in a fight between lion and a bear?

02 Apr 2017 06:24:45
A bear, like literally every time.

02 Apr 2017 15:12:32
"Ronaldo is the best player I have ever seen" - Clarence Seedorf. I second the motion and agree with your appraisal of O Phenomeno, I also agree that he was selfish on the pitch BUT a caveat was that he did not really have good teams to play with tho I agree that that is my opinion as someone who watched his career from beginning to end. He like Messi, had that nasty mean streak about him too which may explain his selfish attitude on the pitch.

He is actually mentally tougher than Messi and Ronaldinho cos if not, he would never have recovered from his multiple devastating knee injuries, to play and still win titles especially the World Cup in 2002 with one good knee. Again, Ronaldo is the best player I have ever seen in my 35 years of football and IMO, Messi does not come close to him.

02 Apr 2017 16:15:18
I hate it when people call him fat Ronaldo (I'm not disputing that he put a few pounds on. ), I just find it ridiculous considering how incredibly talented he was that people would focus on his weight gain. My fave non Liverpool player ever, I'd have him in my team over that selfish, stroppy ego with the same name any day. Ronaldo was absolute class, such a shame he struggled so much with injuries.

{Ed025's Note - eating couches done him no favours.. :)

01 Apr 2017 17:59:56
Mourinho's comments the most entertaining to listen to, to be honest.

"A game we deserved to win, we lost two points. "

Comedy gold at it's best.

02 Apr 2017 02:34:40
If you watched the match it makes it all the more embarrassing. Utd didn't deserve to win at all. A point was a fair result.

02 Apr 2017 15:13:06
Mou's losing it, men. He's losing it.

01 Apr 2017 16:58:59
What a win for Palace. Totally unexpected.

01 Apr 2017 17:12:54
And UTD drew at home. Cannot get any better than that.

01 Apr 2017 17:58:04
What a great day.

01 Apr 2017 16:52:50
Really winnable games next 4 and with what the other teams have to play we could really kick on for top 4.
Weve got to be ruthless and see these sides off.
Good result today YNWA.

01 Apr 2017 17:41:38
Just got to keep doing our job. Forget everything else including games in hand. They mean nothing. Greay if you win them all but when it starts getting to sqeaky bum time ots better to have the points on the board than in fantasy land.

02 Apr 2017 06:33:01
You're right Ritchie, a win and a draw against city and Everton and then into very winnable matches. It's time for the lads to stand up and deliver against the so called smaller teams. With the other top 4 contenders all set to play each other over the coming weeks it's now or never time. Come on reds, don't blow this!

01 Apr 2017 15:38:55
So where are the Lucas dictators now?

01 Apr 2017 15:49:14
Everton were crap mate.

01 Apr 2017 15:49:40
They have no place in our democracy lol. You meant 'detractors'.

01 Apr 2017 16:17:28
You cannot accept that Lucas was in control of the game and then go onto to say that Everton were crap when we outclassed them in every aspect.

Everton were not crap, they just had no ideas and Liverpool were the superior team.

So put that on your plate and eat it.

{Ed001's Note - Lucas was excellent and dominated the Everton players. He was a big part of them being 'crap'.}

01 Apr 2017 16:43:14
Sounds nice, Ill put it in the fridge for later.

01 Apr 2017 17:53:23
I am here Max. Thanks for calling me. He played well. I would still play Stewart ahead of him every time if Henderson is out injured.

01 Apr 2017 18:04:46
Why would you stick Stewart ahead of Lucas, Harry? What makes Stewart a better option than Lucas?

01 Apr 2017 18:22:29
Can't we just praise the team for winning the derby - AGAIN 🤠.

01 Apr 2017 18:32:55
Agree Ron don't see why people are putting downers about the team again!

01 Apr 2017 19:47:16
Lucas was excellent, as were Lovren, Can, Wijnaldum and Matip which meant the core of our midfield/ defense were strong.

Coutinho though was the absolute difference. a brilliant goal and excellent assist and looked back to his best. A lesson for all those saying we should sell him - we should never sell our best players if we have any choice.

01 Apr 2017 20:08:42
Three reason Max If you are patient enough.

1. Younger and one for the future If he is truly destined to be the cover for Henderson. A proper out and out stopper who badly needs game. Energetic and has got plenty of legs to run around.

2. Lucas as much as he was bloody good today is severely error prone. Mirrallas running through our entire midfield in the end is one of those examples.

3. Lucas is terribly slow for a midfielder in Klopp's system. Late challenges means free kick in out outside the area. ( we have seen it plenty during this season and last season)
I have seen players running past Lucas plenty this season!

If not today then I don't see him playing any games this season.

I am not a big Stewart fan but He would be gutted not play ahead of a player who is certain to move out in the summer.

Well no complaints from my side as it's the same man who keeps picking Clyne over our own fav TAA.

Lucas is a top class professional and one of the most loyal football player in the country right now. Emotions aside!

01 Apr 2017 23:41:59
why can't people just be happy with a very good win and team performance. I'm not Clyne's biggest fan and agree TAA needs to replace him, but he's done absolutely nothing to deserve the negativity today, everyone did their jobs well. Saying Stewart should have played instead of Lucas?

What? The guy was awesome, was obviously sent out with a clear job of picking up loose balls infront of Lukaku and done it to perfection. Lukaku didn't have a sniff.

Enjoy it for what it is, speak of the positives for a change and look forward to the up and coming games!

01 Apr 2017 15:27:52
Everton players were keen to show James Bond that they are tough too but they forgot that he, like Liverpool players, is also skilful.

01 Apr 2017 14:34:54
So my take on the game. Origi, take a bow son! Mane, please give us good news that you are not injured.

Matip and Lovren, two towers who did not take any sh*te. More of that please.

Lucas you beauty. Would not surprise me if Klopp switches to a midfield two now of Can and Lucas should Mane be injured. Both these players were monsters today.

Barkley is a dirty bugger. He is lucky to not been sent off for the challenge on Can and what a pathetic tackle on Lovren. Disgrace.

Coutinho was a demon. Firmino showed why he is our most important player.

Everton simply ran out of ideas and what a save by Mignolet who had virtually nothing to do throughout the match.

Bottom line, Klopp simply outclassed Koeman tactically today. 3 points. Come on you REDS. Top 4 is there for the taking!

01 Apr 2017 14:46:10
Oh and banging on about Clyne. He is useless to say the least. I would bring in TAA any day of the week for Nathaniel. How Clyne is still starting matches is beyond logic. I know I am moaning about him but he simply offers f all to the cause. The sooner we are rid of him the better for TAA.

01 Apr 2017 14:58:57
We have a great chance for top 4 especially as on paper our run in is easier than United's, city's etc, still a long way to go but today was a huge result.

01 Apr 2017 15:11:16
Funny enough, the win at Everton earlier this season made me say that it would be our most important 3 points of the season. We are now level on points with Spurs so things are looking really good for us. What an improvement we have seen this season under Klopp compared to last season.

We should be thankful that Klopp decided to join Liverpool as I see big things for us next season. Fingers crossed.

01 Apr 2017 15:36:08
TAA looks so assured for someone so young oozing confidence maybe a future captain . Hopefully Manè injury isn't too serious TAA might be the answer to fill in temporarily. Thought Lovren and Lucas were immense today and Origi was well up for it Today.

01 Apr 2017 17:53:56
Klopp said meme's injury doesn't look good, massive blow if he's out for any length of time.

01 Apr 2017 14:21:38
Finally learning how to put away the smaller teams. Productive 2 weeks klopp lad. 😊.

01 Apr 2017 13:02:31
Sure about selling him?

Oh coutinhooo.

01 Apr 2017 15:00:29
Needs to be doing that regularly for us, not just the weeks when Barcelona come flirting.

01 Apr 2017 16:13:30
Like he was before he got injured this season, wobsborth?

01 Apr 2017
The real time live chat page is open for today's Liverpool match at the below link for you to talk to each other during the match
Liverpool Live Chat page

01 Apr 2017 09:41:59
Ed002, not Liverpool related and I could not find anything on the Chelsea site. ....

{Ed002's Note - And for what reason do you think this is the appropriate place to ask?}

01 Apr 2017 10:50:52
Apologies, will go to the correct page.

{Ed002's Note - Thanks Max.}

01 Apr 2017 06:42:25
I am pumped up for the Derby. Watching the seconds tick by!

Must win today. Get beaten and we could very well kiss our target of a top 4 finish goodbye. This is a 6 pointer with UTD and Everton breathing down our necks.

{Ed025's Note - these games are always too cagey max, expect a boring 0-0 draw or a sneaky 1-0 for somebody..

01 Apr 2017 07:02:38
Derby matches are not supposed to be pretty yet they always seem to bring the animal out of everyone. The team which does not turn up today though will be the losers.

{Ed025's Note - injuries to key players from both teams will be a factor for me max, i hope im wrong but i see a lack of quality in both teams mate..

01 Apr 2017 07:20:04
Coleman is a massive loss for Everton, much of a bigger loss than Lallana for Liverpool. Henderson has been out for a while but reckon Everton's injuries could see Koeman having to make quite a few tactical changes which could complicate things for them.

Form and quality not going to matter today. Bragging rights the be all and end all of Derby matches.

01 Apr 2017 11:33:21
Klopps decision about what to do with Llalana and Hendo both out will be the key I think - does he go defensive and put in Stewart or Lucas (pushing Can forward to provide physicality but limit creativity) or go for Origi upfront and push Coutinho back into LM (my preference) . One other less likely option which I would be OK with is Clyne to LB, TAA at RB and Milner in midfield.

That is what I think will determine the pattern of the game and I suspect he may go for safety first and bring in Lucas or Stewart and push Can forward which could make the game a bit more of a battle in midfield.

01 Apr 2017 12:28:21
Lukaku vs Lovren lol.

01 Apr 2017 15:50:40
well that was a sneaky win :) what does barkley have to do to see red?