Liverpool Banter Archive October 19 2015

 

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19 Oct 2015 22:21:15
Hi eds and reds, haven't posted in a while. My post is in relation to the much heralded Thiago Illori.
He hasn't had a look in at Villa. Who are probably the worst defensive team I've seen this season.
We all seem to think he has huge quality and potential.
Is it possible that, he's actually just not good enough? ! ? Thoughts.

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20 Oct 2015 00:01:40
Kelly after his sale hasn't been playing for palace and only an injury got him in the team, yet he's outshone ward.
Wisdom hasn't got a look in at Nowich but Whittaker has been awful.
Ilori was injured at 1 point for about 4 weeks, I;m not sure if he's still carrying a niggle.
We still see it with player in out own team that managers regardless of ability have their favourite players. Hence Skrtel and Lovren were the main CB pairing for so long.
There could be many reasons players on loan don't get games.
Preference for your own players, so as not to disrupt squad harmony
Simply taking a player on loan for squad depth without intention to use them as the primary.
I'm guessing there may be costs invovled every time a player is used.
Aquilani was reportedly dropped because Milan had reached the appearances clause which mean they had to buy him.
Maybe a player paid a fine in 1 pence pieces.

I don't think squad picking simply comes down to ''if you're the best you play. '' any more.

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20 Oct 2015 00:34:13
Sherwood is the manager, hardly a bastion of defensive knowledge. Bordeaux and Granada thought him good enough to start when fit and Sporting were about to give him a regular berth in their side before we bought him. All 3 teams played better than Villa are playing currently.

It's not like you can use the excuse that the prem is 'more physical' since most people probably have never seen the lad play and the ones that have follow him in the U21s and on loan can attest to how good he is on the ball, and even then he hasn't been given a chance. Right Centre back has been a problem area for a few years now, and it's clear Skrtel isn't the answer. I have said before that the best defensive performance Liverpool have put in over the last year or so was the 3-0 win over Tottenham where Sakho played LCb and Lovren RCB with Skrtel injured, Ilori deserves a shot at least. Moreno, Sakho, Ilori, Clyne would have pace in abundance.

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20 Oct 2015 08:28:34
I can't think of any reason why Ilori, Wisdon and Kelly would be kept out of a team especially so early in the season except that the manager doesn't think they are good enough. If we took the sentiment out of it (that they are Liverpool players) then i don't think we would look twice at the players. I have always maintained that players always have the chance to prove Liverpool wrong when they leave, very few do. Some might given a chance in a few seasons but you can't wait for a player forever. You just won't get that amount of time.

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{Ed001's Note - Ilori is not playing because Sherwood wants experience in the battle against the drop at centre half. As for his judgement of players, I would not trust it one iota, same with Pardew and Alex Neil. None have shown themselves to be top class managers, similar to Brendan Rodgers. Whereas a top class manager in Kenny Dalglish rated Kelly highly enough to give him a run of games, until injury took him out of the team.

As for proving people wrong, that is just ridiculous, as you don't know how good a player is by how they do on loan, or when they move. Sometimes it can be as simple as them being used incorrectly and not played to their strengths. For instance Kelly is not mindless like Joel Ward, and Pardew likes mindless players, who just charge up and down with no thought

Wisdom is at a Norwich side playing for their lives, so they are not going to want to use loan players, who don't have as much to play for, especially not in Neil's hopeless run around like headless chickens, while achieving very little system. It is a similar situation for Ilori, they just don't have as much to play for as players that belong to the club, so loanees are not going to be first choice.

Mnaagers in Alex Neil and Tim Sherwood's position seem to think they are fighting in the trenches or something, because they are more bothered about who is going to fight for their lives, rather than who is the better player. They were idiotic loan moves to make, no one benefits from them.}

20 Oct 2015 08:55:40
I really liked Kelly as a player and he would be a very good squad player if not pushing for first team, Ed1 what was his best position as he as never really given a chance at CB, but still a very good RB?

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{Ed001's Note - he was a centre back but got a chance at right back because of injuries, personally I think he would be better in the centre though. It would require less physical stress and protect him from recurring injuries.}

20 Oct 2015 09:14:05
Yes it is possible he is not good enough.

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20 Oct 2015 09:34:26
Whilst I understand the desire for experience in a relegation dog fight, we are less than a quarter of the way into the season! Surely at this stage of the season if experience is still getting you hammered you should look to see if other members of your squad can improve your dynamic. I struggle to see how the likes of Illori aren't getting into their teams just because they are loanees or young. In the last 10 games I could buy that, but not the first 10! I just think that Sherwood doesn't rate him!

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20 Oct 2015 10:19:28
Serge Gnabry is not getting a look in on loan at west brom do you think that means he isn't any good?
Please take no notice of Ilori at villa it's not relevant, I'd take him back tomorrow if it were possible.

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20 Oct 2015 11:42:34
Generally that is the case. If he was good enough he would've played. simple as.

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{Ed001's Note - simply not true maybe. It is never that simple.}

20 Oct 2015 12:33:09
Last season at QPR they had Vargas, the AM partner to Sanchez for Chile (and a very good player) on the bench as they slipped out of the league, barely able to score a goal. Loan players are rarely used when they don't need them - they are the 'extra man' in a small squad rather than a realistic competitor. It is stupid - maybe if you played your best players you wouldn't reach a relegation dogfight in the first place - but it's still true.

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20 Oct 2015 13:24:44
Kelly should still be at the club. Remember before injury he was in England squad. Another player ruined by buck.

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20 Oct 2015 19:25:33
I agree with Irish Rover that sentiment needs to be taken out of it when we "judge" a player.

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19 Oct 2015 21:20:52
Can somebody explain why llori isn't in Villas squad.

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19 Oct 2015 21:38:01
Ask Tim Sherwood, mate.

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19 Oct 2015 21:59:25
It's our clubs fault in all honesty. We should have selected a better club for him, with a manager who's actually going to teach him something.

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19 Oct 2015 22:04:45
Maybe he isn't good enough yet for the premier league?

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19 Oct 2015 22:09:41
Maybe he is not rated as highly by managers who work with him day in day out as you obviously do.

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19 Oct 2015 22:43:01
Maybe he is not as highly thought of as he is on here!

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19 Oct 2015 23:09:00
Or maybe the people who signed him should be blamed for wasting money on such a poor player or he's been blacklisted by said people by never playing him.

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19 Oct 2015 23:25:57
Just wondered not good enough, fit enough etc etc.

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20 Oct 2015 01:15:14
To the guys saying that he may not be good enough. Have you seen the Villa defence? They can't do any worse than Ilori, let's be honest here.

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20 Oct 2015 07:57:09
At this point the dogs that won Britains Got Talent last year would improve their defense. It's worse than ours was!

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19 Oct 2015 20:35:47
Liverpool Echo are reporting that Danny Ings injury is not as serious as first thought. He has a "clean" tear which means he could be back before the end of season. Good news if true. Good luck Danny YNWA.

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19 Oct 2015 20:45:48
Better be cautious with this injury IMO. bring him back slowly. A re-occurrence can be career-threatening.

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19 Oct 2015 20:08:01
If you were Klopp and wanted another keeper to replace Mignolet, would you give Ward a chance first Ed1?

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{Ed001's Note - yes I would, I would have done that rather than sending him out on loan and signing Bogdan.}

19 Oct 2015 20:48:42
Another rodgers master stroke to waste money!

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19 Oct 2015 23:10:29
I said ward should have been promoted as number two but the "brains that be" said no.

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19 Oct 2015 19:13:22
Simple question (and I'm sitting on the fence on this one) who would take Reina back as keeper all things considered?

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{Ed002's Note - Is this the Pepe who sends out Yom Kippur cards with pictures of himself almost catching a ball?}

19 Oct 2015 19:20:49
No way would I.

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19 Oct 2015 19:29:43
Sorry Ed002 like a lob of Reina that one has gone straight over my head!

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19 Oct 2015 19:57:39
We need a top class first choice 'keeper. There is absolutely pointless bringing back Reina on huge wages to be your back up.

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19 Oct 2015 21:53:06
At his peak, Reina was the best keeper in the league, imo. And the romantic in me would love him back.

In his last couple of seasons, he wasn't great, although I'd still put him well ahead of Mignolet. Now whether he went into decline because he's just past it, or because Achterberg's coaching was an antithesis to everything he'd been coached up til then and upset, or because he thought he was going to Barcelona would kind of dictate whether, using my head rather than my heart, I genuinely want him back. And since I haven't seen him play for Napoli, I don't really know what the answer to that question is.

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19 Oct 2015 23:13:47
The past is the past. Leave Reina exactly where he is.

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20 Oct 2015 00:38:24
People forget how mediocre Reina was in his last few seasons with us, shot stopping and decision making not great. Distribution is always fantastic but if we are to make a change I'd prefer someone who is Klopps choice.

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20 Oct 2015 14:21:34
i thought migolet was our man of the match against spurs, under BR he looked a nervous wreck, we have found out that BR was sly and most probably knocked the confidence out os some players, i think mingolet will get better and suprise a lot of people,

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19 Oct 2015 18:37:31
If Coutinho were to be sold in January who would you like to see as his replacement.

I would choose Mario Gotze as Bayern Munich would allow him to leave but he is likely to be courted by several other teams.

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19 Oct 2015 19:02:57
Firmino / Lallana should take up that position. We should be no where near another ACM.

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19 Oct 2015 19:14:24
Along with a returning Markovic! ?

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19 Oct 2015 19:27:49
Yes because the old way of selling our best players was working let's keep doing it ? Can't we sell Milner, Lallana, Markovic, Allen before we sell Phil ?

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19 Oct 2015 20:45:29
DBol I agree but we have too many average players that either nobody wants or just won't leave us. We only have one player that can command enough money that an over haul of players can begin as too many of our players are average and won't attract much of a fee.

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19 Oct 2015 23:14:12
If he were sold in January, I wouldn't buy anyone until the summer and give some of the youngsters a run. We have a lot of untapped talent.

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19 Oct 2015 23:15:21
Why should we sell one of our best players just because others won't command similar fees? Please explain, Scouse.

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19 Oct 2015 23:24:23
I wouldn't be overly worried if couts was sold. Brilliant on his day but that seems to be 1 in 4 not really the form we should be content with? Love him love him more if he was persistent.

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20 Oct 2015 01:40:39
Redohio

I could explain mate. The squad needs at least 3 good players in the summer and the club has very little money to spend without Sales.

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20 Oct 2015 01:07:15
Scouse Pride, I beg to differ . You said we have a lot of average un-wanted players .
You sell PC and buy Gotze, so instead of playing Cout with them you buy Gotze to play with "them" ?
How much changes can you expect ? I would rather Klopp sort out the teams un-wanted dead woods and make necessary changes come Chrismas or Summer.
For the time being we should seat back and enjoy seeing our team improve game on game, keeping our finger cross and see if we end up TOP 4 and/or get to the final stages of Europa league. Cheers.

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20 Oct 2015 09:20:24
Joao Teixeira would be my choice.

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20 Oct 2015 14:02:14
i think couthino gets unfair stick by some on here saying he inconsistant, i beg to differ with these fans, for the simple fact is he got stick for having a go at goal a lot of times and not scoring with every shot, so when he does not shoot all the time he still gets stick for not playing well in every game, but most of all PC plays better when he has better strikers to pass to, i guarentee that when sturridge plays he is on form and his games goes up because he can pass the ball into space or to the feet of sturridge, some one like origi is not has good as sturridge because he does not have the same experience or drag defenders out of position, when we get all our top players back you will see PC having good games, i just don't understand some fans saying PC does not have good games every game, 1 in 4 is so bad on the player who can pick a pass out of nothing, maybe you would rather have lucas playing every game instead of PC because no one seems to pick up on lucas's fau;ts and errors, no wonder our best players want to leave when they get stick for not playing great in every game, well if he gets injured or goes maybe then you will have second thoughts on him and miss his magic.

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19 Oct 2015 18:02:07
I was quietly impressed by Divock on the weekend, albeit I only caught the second half but he showed for me some deft touches, holding on to the ball when I thought he'd lose it. Good platform to build on imo.

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19 Oct 2015 20:33:05
He was stronger in the second half while int he first half he was easily pushed off the ball. I think Klopp will put the onus on the centre forward, and on individuals at the back to be stronger when defending one on one, and that was one of the obvious points form the game against Spurs.

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20 Oct 2015 07:59:46
He was similar to Welbeck in many ways, as other people who've watched him in France pointed out before. That's neither good nor bad imo, it's just how he is.

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19 Oct 2015 15:47:42
Al to people Going on about gundogan at the moment. Firstly is he a playmaker? I thought he's more of a better version of Henderson than a playmaker as such.
And secondly, eds, in the summer the was a lot of media outlets saying he had practically joined United, did they just chose schweinsteiger over him or did that fall through or was in never anything of substance?

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{Ed002's Note - Early this year Gundogan was refusing to agree a new deal and Dortmund were willing to let him leave as he was seen as a shadow of his former (pre-injury) self. A couple of clubs were interested, including Manchester United and Manchester City, but an approach about his availability was responded to that a three year extension had been agreed between the club and player and details are being finalised. However, since then he again refused to sign the contract and Dortmund said they were effectively done with him - and he would have been allowed to leave in the summer. They have a replacement already. Barcelona, Manchester City, Manchester United, Bayern Munich and Arsenal were all interested to some extent or other. There was no agreement with any club, but taking each: (1) Although Barcelona were unable to sign players they can use before 2016 but did approached Borussia Dortmund to agree a deal that will be completed next January as their rebuilding begins. This would mean committing to waiting until January with the rest of the season probably on loan, which suited Barcelona, but perhaps not the player. Reservations over price. (2) Manchester City walked away over concerns about sustained fitness and form against price - they will likely see the risk as too high. (3) Manchester United continued to show interest but would only bite at the right price - but it wasn't.. (4) Bayern Munich failed with an offer of Goetze as part of a deal for Gundogan. However, they made another proposal that might well be acceptable, €25M and Højbjerg - but again nothing came of it. The issue is that Dortmund would rather not sell to Bayern but it may end up being the best offer out there. (5) I suspect that Arsenal backed away like Manchester City - over concerns about sustained fitness and form against price - they will also likely see the risk as too high.}

19 Oct 2015 19:59:09
25M euros and Hojbjerg? ! ? That's a hell of a deal for Dortmund in my opinion, and more than we could put together if we were to make an offer.

Don't imagine we'd be going for him.

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19 Oct 2015 20:45:45
Thanks ed so much knowledge! Are their still concerns over his fitness then? Do you believe we have a chance of signing him or not, seeing as a lot of clubs you mentioned seem to have reservations.

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{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any approach to Dortmund by Liverpool but it would not be totally out of the question - but keep in mind also what Klipperty said about Dortmund players.}

20 Oct 2015 12:01:07
Yeah good point about what he has said, but if he wants out and won't sign a contract, and a lot of the major clubs are out the running then just maybe.

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19 Oct 2015 14:43:17
Hello all
Ed002 if you are about I have a question. And I will completely understand if you don't want to answer as I know we don't discuss finance. That being said I was reading an article on ESPN after Klopps appointment. They stated in the article that the club has turned a modest profit last year. I was wondering how this was possible or if it was cooking the books.
Appreciate all the eds
Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - The club turned a modest profit the season before last - the figures for last year won't be available until February.}

19 Oct 2015 17:39:54
There's an interesting piece in the Liverpool echo today online. It's a Q an A with SOS on the owners, I would urge you all to give it a read.

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19 Oct 2015 18:13:47
Interesting read Waro. A lot of valid points and great ideas. There are still contradictions and blind spots on both sides of the debate though.

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19 Oct 2015 20:18:06
Definitely worth a read!

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19 Oct 2015 20:46:11
Is there perhaps an online link. The Echo isn't readily available in sunny South Africa 😉.

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19 Oct 2015 22:34:57
In google type Liverpool echo uk - that may work for you Up!

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19 Oct 2015 14:58:43
Which position do you guys think we need to reinforced the most? Personally CB is a priority follow by CDM. As rubbish as mignolet is, it's not that BIG of a issue. Ilori doesn't seem to be coming back. Gomez need more time. I think an experienced leader is needed.

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19 Oct 2015 16:32:14
Definitely one of those two positions you mentioned, CB or CDM.

Lucas is surprisingly dependable although you can't help but feel the teamsheet would look so much stronger with a world-class player at CDM, and Lucas is our only player that can genuinely play there. We can't have Hendo, Milner and Can playing at CM at the same time, not enough balance or quality I am afraid.

Lovren and Skertle are both liabilities, but I feel that Lovren is worth (another) go alongside Sahko despite them both being left-sided. He is a fairly young player and may do a lot better under Klopp and next to a capable CB like Sahko.

I am gunna say CDM, but that must be matched with the sale of Allen, and inevitably Milner being pushed out wide.

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19 Oct 2015 16:34:12
Utility defender and winger, Lucas is having a really good season so is fine as a DM, but we need a defender to cover all positions and we lack pace on the break so a speedy winger would be good.

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19 Oct 2015 16:40:01
A confident defence starts with the GK, we aren't going to get that with the current options. It is one of the most important positions on the field, if not the most important for me. A world class, confident, vocal (and preferably sweeping) GK would make more difference than a new CB.

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19 Oct 2015 16:53:34
The most urgent position in my view is that of an injury-free training techniques expert.

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19 Oct 2015 17:25:10
GK is imperative to organising the defence. The quicker we get a more assertive GK the better.

Whether Migs is moved on, used as back up or coached to be more assertive, it doesn't matter. What does matter is that our GK becomes assertive.

If you remember the old GK's they were all nutters. Never scared of anything, never phased by what obstacles are in the way when collecting a cross, and they certainly didn't take being bullied by strikers like they do today.

There are 2 specific GK's which are at fault for this transition of Goalkeeping on a world wide scale.

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{Ed001's Note - care to name them?}

19 Oct 2015 17:54:13
I would like to see a GK, CB, playmaker in that order. I also hope Klopp sticks to his word and utilises our talented youngsters. I would of course prefer to see the youngsters promoted if good enough. There cleary won't be much to spend in Janurary/ Summer etc. KlopP has shown he has an eye for talent on a budget. exciting times ahead YNWA.

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19 Oct 2015 18:04:01
GK and CB no doubt.

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19 Oct 2015 18:21:28
Iker Casillias and Victor Valdes.

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19 Oct 2015 18:40:43
Two hugely overrated keepers IMO.

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19 Oct 2015 19:36:06
Casillias and Valdes have been considered among the best, simply because they played for Real Madrid and Barcelona.

They both had promise, no doubt, but neither attained what they could have. Valdes for all his trophies, barely did anything to get them. Same with Casillias, although he is a reasonable shot stopper or was anyway. But because of the clubs they were at, people assumed they were good, so Iker and Victor got high praise and even when Valdes left, I remember people on here saying we should go in for him.

Anyway, my point is that because they were at the two biggest clubs in the world, people started trying to be like them, they started getting coached to play that way and eventually they developed the flaws that these guys have.

I may be over stating my opinion on them ruining gk's in the modern era, but they have contributed, just because of their reputation.

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19 Oct 2015 19:44:18
New Keeper for me. Migs is a half-decent keeper but if we want to challenge for the top 4 we need better than half-decent.

Don't let his recent shot stopping antics fool you, his distribution and defensive organisation simply aren't up to the mark.

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19 Oct 2015 20:50:11
Hopefully they start coaching players like neuer now then! If that's how it works. I don't quite get the point though, albeit I agree that IK and VV were overrated, I don't see how you can coach a player to play like them?

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19 Oct 2015 21:51:48
Well as an example, their style of GK is being taught and things such as their flaws are being ignored. Similar in the way that Germany have now started to produce good standard GK's since Neuer came about and how England used to produce them when the likes of Schmeichel were playing in the Prem.

I'm not saying it's solely their fault, even if that's how it came across. It's just their limelight has lead to sub par goal keepers being preferred because of their distribution and "sweeping", instead their catching, positioning and organising.

If there was ever a keeper which should have got the recognition, it should have been Gianluigi Buffon - what a keeper he was!

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19 Oct 2015 22:28:48
New keeper or explosive winger. The team needs pace and skill.

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19 Oct 2015 22:54:22
couldn't agree more HSF. Buffon is a class above the lot of them. Neuer is redefining the role now, distribution is very important in the modern keeper, although you may not necessarily disagree it is a very important fact that shouldn't be totally secondary in their training.

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19 Oct 2015 14:29:10
My personnal opinion. to avoid sanctions from uefa and raise funds for klopp maybe coutinho should be sacrificed in jan. a good few could be got. We rely to heavily on him and he's a greedy we sod. plus he will no doubt try leave in the summer anyway!

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19 Oct 2015 15:32:34
Any time one of our better players has a small bad patch fans start thinking we should cash in.

Give him time to regain his form. Last thing we should be contemplating is cashing in on Coutinho.

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19 Oct 2015 15:54:18
Is this a wind up post? Or did. ems change his name.

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19 Oct 2015 16:40:24
I think the effect of losing Suarez one season, sterling the next and coutinho the year after will just look negatively on us. If he is happy to stay keep him, he is not a negative influence like the other two and should only improve.

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19 Oct 2015 16:45:44
To be fair we are still loaded with people that can play 1 and have players that can play wide. If a decent bid were to come, it's well worth thinking about. I wouldn't go round trying to hawk him about though.
At this time I think most moves are a step too early into champions league clubs.
He was our player of the year last year. He's not hit his match winning form like last year but I still think he will do well this season.

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19 Oct 2015 16:57:20
It is a very well known and proven way to progress in football, to sell you best player every transfer window. And you are right, we are doing it now for several summers in a row so why stopping and why wait for the summer. After al, l we have Klopp, he doesn't need quality players to be on the pitch in order to win. He can make our second keeper better striker than Suarez if we only give him a chance.

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19 Oct 2015 17:03:57
It made sense all until you said we should sell coutinho.

Let's sell that sterling kid, I bet someone would pay 50 million or so for him.

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19 Oct 2015 18:01:24
We can afford to sell any of Allen, Llalana, Skrtel, Migs, Lovren or even Lucas, not all of which I'd be happy about but would raise cash without dramatically impacting the side negatively, why would we sell Coutinho, last years player of the year? Yes there are days he goes missing but he's one of the few genuine match winners we have left in the side.

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{Ed002's Note - Because of what Coutinho has said. No CL and he wants out.}

19 Oct 2015 20:23:19
As Ed has stated; No CL and Coutinho wants out.

I'd prefer to keep him however.

If Barcelona were to bid £50-£60m and he was going to go at the end of the season anyway; it may mean balancing the books and one to two players in which is nearer Klopp's preferred team.

Like a lot of the posters above there are players that I'd prefer to be moved on; the difficulty is we do not have many players that teams will want to pay much money for.

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19 Oct 2015 20:39:39
If Barcelona bids for Coutinho in January, it will be nowhere near £50 million. Probably half of that.

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19 Oct 2015 20:52:02
I think it'll be up to him to be honest. If their is interest in him, he may leave if we get CL or stay if we don't. I think unless he states at the time 'sell me' he will stay.

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19 Oct 2015 22:39:48
I think Barcelona was mentioned previously - not sure why they feel they need him as Turan moved (but yet to play for them - can only play in January) in the summer.

We won't sell for £25m (nor should we) ; a lot may depend on how people are doing in their respective leagues; on the other hand if we can clinch 4th (not impossible based upon how the season has gone) then he has no reason to leave.

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20 Oct 2015 01:27:10
Is it not possible, Ed, that the change of manager and coaching staff may be enough to make him delay that particular ultimatum. I think you're over simplifying in this case.

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{Ed002's Note - It is what he told three international colleagues.}

20 Oct 2015 13:03:10
But this was said prior to Klopp joining! Things change! Coutinho could well have a change of heart and buy into Klopps ideas with or without champions league football next season!

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19 Oct 2015 14:05:24
Owners can always find a little bit of cash for a new manager, I expect around 20 million will somehow materialise. Add this to player sales and Klopp will have enough to purchase at least 3 new players come January
I expect a CB a DM and a GK
should he have any left over I would imagine a LB would be next
If some of the money raised comes from the sale of any strikers then a replacement striker will be a necessity probably at the expense of a DM
just my thoughts for what they're worth.

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19 Oct 2015 14:22:15
Can't see him making that many changes to be honest.
I agree some money might just appear though, I know ed002 says we have none and we will be risking sanctions etc but the owners are not as good with money as ed002.
I can see 1 player coming in, don't know who or what position though. Depends who impresses Klopp between now and then or not.

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19 Oct 2015 14:28:58
Really cannot see a GK being brought in in January, or defenders, not unless Migs or some defenders are sold, which I also cannot see happening. I would be very surprised if any l changes are made before next summer.

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19 Oct 2015 14:31:21
I doubt we will see that many changes, especially since Gk and DM are specialist positions and with the Euros coming up, not many would want to move just yet.

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{Ed001's Note - unless someone is frozen out and wants first team footie.}

19 Oct 2015 15:34:07
I'd take a CB to replace Skrtel. That will do me in January. Goalkeeper would be next but I could manage waiting till the summer.

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19 Oct 2015 15:53:44
Care to expand Ed.

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{Ed001's Note - just saying players are unlikely to want to move unless they are frozen out and need a move to make the Euros.}

19 Oct 2015 16:20:18
Ahh, I thought it was a little hint at a certain GK then!

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19 Oct 2015 21:15:42
VV ed? ;)

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19 Oct 2015 08:39:14
Why is everyone so obsessed with new signings?

We have a squad with enough players for the manager to mould them into the team he wants. Bear in mind we have at least seven players injured currently in

Flanagan.
Lovren.
Gomez.
Rossiter.
Ings.
Sturridge.
Benteke.
Firmino.

We also have Wisddom, Alberto and Markovic on loan. Out of all the players we currently have on the books i would say the only certain players who will be sold will be.

Balotelli
Enrique.

And I don't think we will recoup much on either of these.


In addition to this we still have the likes of Chiravella, Teixera, and possibly Wilson who may break through this season.

At present even Mignolet seems to have picked up his game albeit it's only one game.

The club is already got a mountain of debt and needs funds to balance books so there is more than enough players at the club already.

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19 Oct 2015 09:26:57
I think mignolets distribution is so poor he will be replaced in jan/summer. He's not going to learn how to kick in a straight line by then if he hasn't by now.
It would be great to see flanno in the team again but I'm not sure he will be able to fully recover from so much time out.
I would love to see lovren make it as well, feel desperately sorry for him the way his career has been ruined here, I hope Klopp can turn it around for him, I can see him getting chances in the team and he will be playing a conventional back 4 finally so it's up to him to take the chances and show he can do it.

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19 Oct 2015 10:34:08
Wilson is on loan at Crewe in league 2 not getting game time.

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19 Oct 2015 11:03:46
im happy with the squad, but we'll need a new GK come either January or next summer.

from his press conferences, it looks like Klopp has identified points of improvements, which is important, the players are not bad, but they can be improved.

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19 Oct 2015 11:14:42
Rule out the loanees. Can't see them coming back. ED02 has expressed his opinion on them.

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19 Oct 2015 12:49:22
Agree with both of your posts.

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19 Oct 2015 13:22:26
Disagree on Lovren. His career is one of few that hasn't been ruined - he's been one of those ruining those around him. He was favoured, things were planned around him being a fixture etc. He's failed to keep up his end.

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19 Oct 2015 13:27:13
The only thing I could see us do is a centre back surely klopp saw enough from skertle Saturday to know he has to go.

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19 Oct 2015 13:31:46
Not matter how good Klopp turns out to be he will not get that current crop of players into the top 4, he is a football manager not the miracle man. Liverpool have been concentrating on bringing in large numbers of mediocre players for too long, Coutinho turned out to be a steal but that has not been replicated. It will take 3 or 4 transfer windows to begin to rectify this and that is also dependent on how much cash is readily available.

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19 Oct 2015 14:14:21
Not sure when Klopp will dip into the transfer market (don't know how much money he'll have available in January) but for me the priorities would be:

1. Centre back - Skrtel is not good enough to be a key part of a successful Liverpool team. The amount of points we drop due to individual errors in defence is massive. We need a top class CB who can control and organise the back line.

2. Deep lying midfielder - Lucas is great at covering the defence but I feel we need someone in that position who can contribute more going forward. Henderson and Can may be better at balancing attack with defence but I feel a specialist would add most to the team. It's a shame we didn't get Kovacic this summer.

3. Goalkeeper - This is only number three for me as I think Migs costs us very few points (he arguably won us a point against Spurs) . Although we can certainly improve on him I think we can make bigger gains more economically elsewhere.

4. Left Back - We've basically got LB covered but I think it's a clear area we can improve in. Gomez has done well but his future is elsewhere, Moreno may become the player we need but he's currently not a good enough defender.

5. Left sided attacker - We have a number of players who could do this role and you'd hope that Klopp will make it work with one them which is why this is only number 5. If none of Coutinho, Firmino, Lallana, Markovic, Ibe or Moreno make the left wing their home then this is an area where a specialist could be bought.

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19 Oct 2015 14:26:47
I think the squad is good enough to break into the top 4 this season if managed correctly, lucky with injurys and a bit of luck, especially with how poor most of the league is playing this year.
Doesn't mean we will though. I fancy us for top 6, dunno where though.

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19 Oct 2015 06:49:34
Have seen some interesting analyses on reproducing BvB's system at Liverpool.

I think Firmino, once fit, can certainly play the role of Gotze-- the roving no 10, who played triangles and partnered with Reus on one attacking wing, and Blaszcykowski on the other.

Coutinho, though he lacks some of the pace, could be our Reus.

However, what we are truly lacking in our Starting XI is a deep lying playmaker with high technical ability and box to box play.

That is Gundogan at BvB. We do not currently have such a player at Liverpool.

People keep citing Emre Can can be our Gundogan; while I think Can is very good, he doesn't have the same pass accuracy, play-making creativity, nor technical prowess as Gundogan.

Hendo has decent playmaking, but not necessarily the pace, technical ability, nor defensive capability of Gundogan.

To me, the Klopp geggenpressing project will not work without a Gundogan leading out MF. Seems that might be a key target for us in January or next summer.

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19 Oct 2015 07:20:06
There is no player in the league who could match Gundagaon let alone our club.
The Spurs game demonstrated how much we miss that player. ( for instance, Lallana dropping so deep to pick the ball from CB)
Firmino should be Reus and Coutinho Gotze.

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19 Oct 2015 07:37:26
I don't think Coutinho has the pace to be the "Gotze" in no.10; I think Firmino is much more suited to the position. It's not a traditional no. 10, but a lot more movement, to partner with both wingers.

You could be right about Gundogan. I wonder if Neves, if he signs, could be shaped into our Gundogan by Klopp. He certainly seems to have the talent.

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19 Oct 2015 09:31:07
I wouldn't write off hendo just yet, I can see him being a key player for us in the centre, I've posted before I think Klopp will like him.

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19 Oct 2015 10:01:16
I agree Mikey. I think the midfield has missed Hendo. that bit of energy in midfield i know Milner runs and runs and runs abit more but he hasn't hit the ground running exactly as of yet. I don't think he suits the midfield role but as he ages hasn't got the pace to play the wide role. I think a midfield of hendo and Can is much better looking than milner and hendo. Migonlet is my biggest concern and i know he had two very good games against Everton and Spurs but you always feel nervous when he is in goal as you never know which Mignolet is going to turn up and i can see him being sold in the summer if not January. Origi personally isn't up to it yet for me and needs to go on loan to a premiership team in January for the remainder of the season where he will play. Klopp is a great manager and i have been very happy with him so far but he needs his own team before anyone can judge him really. Going the game on Thursday and i really hope i hear the Kop back to the way it was and Anfield rocking and make other teams fear us even before they step out onto the pitch.

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19 Oct 2015 11:17:38
Fear

You are right. but neves is the next biggest thing in European football. I have watched him play and he is simply outstanding. Chelsea ll move heaven and earth to get him.
We missed the trick in not moving for Kovacic and there are not too many excellent playmakers available.

Allan from Napoli is another not known widely but brilliant footballer.

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19 Oct 2015 11:23:07
So Gundagon is the best midfielder in the world? And Klopp cannot implement his style without such a player? Not much of a coach if he relies so heavily on one player. I disagree with you on the central midfielder theory needless to say.

Let's wait and see what he does with the players he has before making assumptions IMO.

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19 Oct 2015 11:45:33
Coutinhos best position is on the left.

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19 Oct 2015 12:26:56
Götze is not particularly fast, just his reactions and speed of thought are, and touch so good.

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19 Oct 2015 12:54:19
I don't understand why people think Klopp has to remake his Dortmund team like for like at Liverpool or that he cannot improve players or even bring through someone from the academy. Maybe he will sign a DLP but he keeps harping on about already having the players at Liverpool necessary, improving players, he's only worked with some of them for a week, others for a few days.

People just keep ignoring what Klopp is saying and making their own conclusions.

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19 Oct 2015 14:32:38
I would start with Lucas and hendo in the centre myself.
Can, unfortunately would be third choice out of the 2 positions, but he is young and would still be getting loads of game time. Rossiter would be 4th choice.
Milner shouldn't play in the centre at all unless all 4 others are injured, I like him and rate him but he's simply wasted there.

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19 Oct 2015 14:36:41
Agreed, in a different league, why would he try and copy his old side? This is just silly.

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19 Oct 2015 14:50:22
Agreed imred chirivella (sorry about spelling) looks a quality young talent and I would rather he get games and let him grow into the role instead of shoehorning a player in or buying for the sake of buying as per usual.

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19 Oct 2015 01:01:33
Eds, do you believe Benteke is suited to Klopp's style of play?

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{Ed001's Note - I have answered this question a number of times, so long as he puts the work in, yes he can fit into Klopp's style of play.}

19 Oct 2015 07:55:59
May 2013, ESPN

Christian Benteke's representatives have confirmed the striker is attracting interest from Borussia Dortmund as a potential replacement for Robert Lewandowski.

Klopp thought about signing him.

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{Ed001's Note - forget what ESPN have to say, they are not reliable, but Klopp has commented on this over the weekend saying that he did try and sign him.}

19 Oct 2015 11:18:48
Benteke is a good striker who would hit peak with two excellent wingers either side of him.

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19 Oct 2015 11:53:09
Wasn't that about Origi Ed. ?

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{Ed001's Note - no idea, never heard any comments about Origi, maybe he said it about both, but it was certainly said about Benteke.}

19 Oct 2015 13:17:39
So that's Benteke and Origi we beat Dortmund to the punch to? No wonder JK wanted to come to us!

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19 Oct 2015 14:33:27
Harry your obsessed with wingers.

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19 Oct 2015 15:51:22
People keep saying about wingers but even if we had markovic back, he's not a great crosser, the best crosser we have is probably Milner from the right and Moreno from the left. Plus if we play two wingers, and coutinho in the middle, where does that leave sturridge ings and firmino?

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18 Oct 2015 21:35:35
Eds any insight into Dejan Lovren's younger brother (Davor Lovren? ) signing for Liverpool? surely for academy but any idea how is he like?

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{Ed001's Note - he is only 17 and I haven't seen anything of him sorry.}

 
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