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19 Jul 2016 21:25:36
Good evening all
Just catching up on todays events and I can see the main topic is Wijnaldum.
Some reprts suggest Newcastle want a player in part of the deal and possibly Lucas.
Player swaps are very rare as youve explained eds but is there a chance a player could go in the opposite direction and perhaps Lucas?
19 Jul 2016 20:48:36
Seems very easy to say who we shouldn't be signing but not as easy to say who we should be signing in my view. seems to me we have to take chance with young potential players or ones with questionable attitudes. Sturridge, coutino, suarez. but we also should be giving a few of the academy players, senior football minutes this season. Because at least 2 if not more look more than capable of making the grade. again just my opinion.
19 Jul 2016 21:50:01
There is taking a risk and there is wasting money.
19 Jul 2016 20:39:27
Just wanted to make a loose connection.
Wijnaldum, at 24 years old leaves Holland for the Premier league. In his first season, he scores 11 league goals and creates 5 more. His total was boosted by 4 goals against Norwich.
Suarez, at 24 years old leaves Holland for the Premier league. In his first season he scores 11 league goals and creates 6 more. His total was boosted by 3 goals against Norwich.
Obviously this is all just coincidence and I'm not suggesting that Wijnaldum will score 20+ next season just because Suarez did. My point is he is clearly a very talented player and trying to take away from his goal scoring when he scored 11 from midfield is ridiculous.
His attitude is not great. We know that and it is a worry. But it is still bugging me that people are actually trying to use him scoring 4 goals in one game (from midfield! ) against him. That is an absurd criticism. That is something to praise, not something to use as a stick to beat him with! We had this same argument with Mane. "He's inconsistent" OR "most of his goals came in two games against Liverpool and Man City".
Do we really have to go through this again? Because we all know if he signs and scores a goal or two in the pre season tour, everyone will conveniently say "oh his talent was never in doubt". Well that won't wash anymore. Because his talent is what is in doubt. Just as it was with Mane. Just as it was with Grujic.
Mane had 45 minutes against non league Tranmere and everyone dropped their pitchforks. Grujic had 45 against Fleetwood and he was suddenly better than Pogba. Nobody ever turns around and admits they were wrong though. They just act like the abuse never happened!
If you are not willing to appreciate a players good points, then you have no right to point out their bad points. Otherwise you are just an internet troll abusing someone you don't know. If you want to analyse a players ability, at least be open minded. Nobody in professional football would be there unless they had at least something going for them! The amount of non constructive criticism and unbalanced attacks on this site is getting ridiculous though.
I fully agree with people that he has a bad attitude, that he is not a priority signing, that he is not worth £25m, and that we would be better served giving someone like Ejaria or Brannagan more game time instead.
Where I disagree is people claiming he has no talent, or is an average player, or trying to twist his goal scoring record into a negative somehow! If Klopp is keen on him, then I am at least willing to give him a chance. Klopp has a good record with transfers. Only glaring errors I can recall are Caulker and Immobile. So at least give Klopp a chance in the transfer market.
19 Jul 2016 20:48:00
Seriously, the first time in a very very long term I've sat through and read an entire post longer than a paragraph or two. No surprise its written by you MK. Top post.
19 Jul 2016 20:53:33
we can only hope to get him on reasonable price and try to implement as much clauses into fee. if he preforms we will pay it with pleasure. i think he is good player just don't see where he will be used. We need to give him a shot and hope for the best.
19 Jul 2016 20:54:12
Excellent post MK. It seems if people don't want a player they'll use anything to try get their point across, mostly nonsense.
What I haven't seen mentioned about Wijnaldum though is his heading albility, which is very good for someone who's only 5"9. His ability in the air reminds me a bit of Tim Cahill (though not as clinical) . It would be a bonus for us though as none of our attackers are prolific in the air, although Origi has shown potential there and Sturridge is better in the air than he is given credit for.
19 Jul 2016 21:21:17
I have just read online that Lucas might be part of a deal to bring him to Anfield. . really. even if Lucas is a bit part player for the team he should always be there, even as an example of how to responds to the fickled fans of LFC. The abuse that he endured in the first few seasons only to show the class that he has on and off the field is unbelievable. I truely hope that Lucas Leiva stays at Anfield as he is a true professional and surely loves the club, Daniel Agger is anothe player who should never, ever have left! Keep the lads that bleed Liverpool, you cannot replace that for the love of money.
19 Jul 2016 21:35:19
It could be really as simple as Wijnaldum just not being happy at Newcastle . and his heart not being in it.
If he came to Liverpool and is happy here. we might we a totally different player.
I'm sure Klopp knows what he's doing.
19 Jul 2016 21:41:42
Well said Mk mate.
Again, you've put together a well written and clear post in which I totally agree.
19 Jul 2016 21:43:54
Thank you Faithinworks.
Agreed mandzo. If we can knock them down to £20m it is about right in todays market. If not, as you say we just need to give him our support and hope for the best.
Totally agree on the aerial threat by the way, 'You'. His aerial ability reminds me of Ayew's. I think Cahill was just brilliant at timing his jump and losing his marker with clever movement. Ayew and Wijnaldum both win headers more by out muscling their markers, or by accelerating away from them with a quick burst.
You are bang on though. He isn't quite at Cahill's level, but he is very dangerous with his head and it is almost completely over looked.
19 Jul 2016 21:56:44
Really good post MK.
19 Jul 2016 22:02:45
Wijnaldum is not a talented player by any stretch and is the textbook definition of mediocre. Ask yourself why no other club is looking at him? He's too lightweight and weak to be a centre midfielder, he's not skilful or intelligent enough to be a number 10 and he's not quick or skilful enough to be a winger, when the sh*t hit the fan at Newcastle he just shrugged his shoulders and gave in. Newcastle are apparently asking for £27m up front for a player who contributed nothing when it mattered and has shown nothing in his career to date to show that he's worth investing money in. We can't afford to spend money on a left back, but want to waste money on an already expensive flop at another club. His 11 goals do tell the facts, he scored 4 goals against a club expected to get relegated and 2 on the last day of the season at which point the club were already relegated. If we sign him it will rank as badly as Aquilani, Balotelli, Keane, Benteke etc. Maybe even worse because of the amount demanded up front. If the club has any sense they'll walk away from it and buy a proper centre midfielder like Gary Medel.
19 Jul 2016 22:12:46
great post mk mate.
19 Jul 2016 23:15:53
never seen him play ( or I can't recall seeing him play) long gone are the days when I worry about the cost of a player the club don't worry about me when i'm running out to buy shirts for the kids.
MK: you say you agree he got a bad attitude, overpriced, not a priority and that it would be better to give the kids game time rather than him? how can you say all that and say you will support him too? what if he reads that? what would he think? I think you covering all the bases to say " I told you so" weather he succeeds or fails you nailed both both outcomes there fella.
20 Jul 2016 01:29:42
Scouse John 'how can you support him? ' How about because in all likely hood he's going to be wearing the red shirt of LFC, isn't that reason enough anymore? I wouldn't be the biggest fan of us buying Chilwell for anything close to Leicesters evaluation but my god I'd be shouting his name come match day👍 Isn't that what fans are supposed to do after all? Strange fans!
20 Jul 2016 01:46:04
From Ed002 on the Everton page "Roma who lost out to Newcastle previously are looking again at Wijnaldum but Newcastle will likely price him out of a move to Italy. Spurs and Everton are also baulking at the asking price. "
Clearly there has been other clubs looking at him FranklyMrShankly. Please stop chatting nonsense.
I still fail to understand how you can criticise a man for scoring 4 goals in a game from midfield. You do realise that winning against relegation rivals is critical to staying up? The 9th game of the season is never a "dead rubber". A game against relegation rivals is never a "dead rubber". Newcastle got relegated by 2 points, maybe if they'd won another "dead rubber" they might've stayed up.
19 Jul 2016 23:44:38
I have no idea why there is so much hate either for GW. Newcastle on paper had a decent side although the game is not played on paper. We know Mike Ashley is an owner more concerned with profit than results and Steve McLaren is not a high caliber EPL manager. It took him a long time to rebuild his reputation after Middlesbrough and England. Rather than blasting GW, he was always a player brought in to a bigger shop window to be sold for a profit, he started great and faded, I would like to focus on the positives and think there are larger things at play regarding Newcastle's setup and the environment he was in.
If he comes hopefully he will move into a better setup and look to kick on. My concern is not GW, it is the bloat in that part of the squad and who will be sacrificed.
20 Jul 2016 07:01:23
Scouse John I didn't agree with signing Carroll or Moreno. I still supported them initially. I gave them every chance to prove me wrong.
It's football. Vent your opinions by all means. There is no point in this sight if we all beat around the bush.
I've been honest without being abusive though. I've also not made things up such as him being "mediocre". I suppose that is why Roma and Spurs (both in the CL) were looking at him. Or why Klopp thinks he can get the best out of him.
It is very easy to disagree with the signing of a player but still give them a chance. I must've said a hundred times now that I wouldn't sign him. But he is a very talented individual so I will wait to see how he plays here. I swear, People would've moaned on here if we had signed Payet last summer because he had attitude issues.
{Ed001's Note - the main issue is his attitude. Wijnaldum was wanted by Spurs and Everton. Roberto Martinez never really looks at bottle or fight, which is why his team was struggling. Spurs are another team that do not take enough notice of that, which is why the fell at the final hurdle last season and ended up 3rd in a two horse race. When the greatest manager of all time, Sir Bob Paisley, made signings, he had their backgrounds thoroughly researched before they ever came near Melwood. We have not really done that with Wijnaldum. This is an impulse buy and those are the types that cause the issues. That is why I didn't know anything about it, because the people that I asked are looking at who we have tracked, he was not one of them. He was never a target, then we got offered him and Klopp has said he wants him. I love Klopp, but his impulse buys are not going to be as likely to have success as ones he has had intensively checked out initially.}
20 Jul 2016 07:15:06
Sir Bob Paisley did not have the technology at his finger tips, or as many scouts at his disposal feeding him the information either to research players backgrounds compared to what is available to managers and coaches these days.
{Ed001's Note - but he still did more of it than most.}
20 Jul 2016 07:19:45
The fact that we've gone out and bought Mané, Grujic and are looking at another midfielder for big money makes me draw an inevitable conclusion that we will be financing those deals with a sale, probably to PSG 😞.
Anyway, trust in Kloppo he will bring us success 😎.
20 Jul 2016 07:49:59
'You', Roma walked away from it because of the outrageous price and besides he would be ok in an uncompetitive and weak Serie A, probably about his level, and I wouldn't class Everton or Spurs as big clubs, besides Spurs aren't interested any more. The game where Wijnaldum scored 4 goals against Norwich was fairly inconsequential as those points didn't prevent Newcastle from being relegated, and the two against Spurs on the last day when they were already relegated were equally as inconsequential, fact remains that he was awful for 30 games last year and isn't a player we should be bothering
with. The money that is being talked about is roughly what the mancs lashed out on Mkhitaryan and Chelsea did with Kante, just take than in for a minute. And we're thinking of spending it on one of the worst performing midfielders last year. I just can't get my head around it.
20 Jul 2016 08:39:11
"The game where Wijnaldum scored 4 goals against Norwich was fairly inconsequential as those points didn't prevent Newcastle from being relegated, " Surely that means every game Newcastle played was "inconsequential" then. None of the games stopped them getting relegated.
You really don't have a clue do you. 3 points is absolutely vital when fighting relegation, especially building up points at the start of the season. The fact you think that game doesn't matter just shows your complete lack of knowledge.
20 Jul 2016 12:05:21
Every time I've seen GW play I've thought he's looked a good player so does everyone else I've spoken to. We need goals from midfield and I think he can give us that. He's bang average for me but that's the great thing we all have our own opinions.
20 Jul 2016 12:22:46
John and frankly are right. Wijnaldum is not who we should sign and I have given valid reasons why and many agree. MK made a case of why we should sign him and also, why we shouldn't sign him so MK, which is it because seems you want to have your cake and eat it too?
20 Jul 2016 12:28:14
I have never questioned his talent. Even tho I think he's decent talent wise, his attitude and lack of desire as well as being very poor in games he doesn't feel like playing in will always be an issue for me. The goals issue is about consistency. If he can score eleven in seven, what happened in the other 30 games? See what I mean? Benteke is more talented than he is, yet he gets roasted for having these exact issues.
But Wijnaldum is given a pass just because what? He's not even better than any of the mids we have here at the club so in whose place will he play? He is a luxury we do not need and this is a disaster waiting to happen and unless I am proven wrong, we will regret this if it happens.
19 Jul 2016 18:27:55
Hi ed 0002, i am really intrigued to know why Klopp's supposed odd targets don't surprise you? Because the likes of Wijnaldum and Caulker do surprise me considering his good success rate at Bvb.
Also the majority of targets aren't really that weird, are they? The signings might not be earth shattering, but they are very good "deals". I wouldn't expect much better without CL.
Apologies if I sounded aggressive, just want to know why you seem to rate Klopp's decision making.
Thanks a ton.
{Ed002's Note - I really don't know what you are talking about.}
19 Jul 2016 21:49:37
Hi ed002, sorry I wasn't clear enough. I was referring to this:
Ed002's Note - I am not surprised at Klopp making odd choices - I am not convinced that it makes any sense to loom to someone like GW. }
I agree Wijnaldum is an odd choice, but confused as to why you find it not surprising.
Also, in general, you have several times implied that Klopp's decision-making is overrated. Just wanted you to elaborate on that.
Thanks.
{Ed002's Note - My feeling is that Klopp could do much better in the transfer market. It has been no secret.}
20 Jul 2016 07:50:24
Very diplomatically put Ed.
19 Jul 2016 18:41:26
Hi Eds, hope you're all well.
Wijnaldum. Trying to understand both sides to this story about his attitude.
Any knowledge as to his time at Newcastle in regards to the reason why he was patchy and his second half of the season wasn't great.
There is a player there, he had some good perfornances and has proved he can score in this league. He made some quality runs into the box and scored different types of goals.
Was he different in Holland? Was the management of McClaren a problem? Or the changes in coaches a problem during his first season in a new country?
Would you expect him, in a settled side under a quality coach in a team in the top half challenging for trophies, to be more professional? I'd he just a lost cause like Mario?
{Ed001's Note - he was not good at any time, just on highlight packages he looked good. Lazy, average player who can't be bothered.}
19 Jul 2016 19:21:35
Thanks. I only watch Newcastle in full when they play us or I've happened to catch them on TV with nothing else to do (rare) .
MOTD gives me most info on other games and Goals on Sunday. He has appeared very good at times, intelligent. But I'll go with your info and trust he isn't the best with attitude for 90mins.
I'm thinking, Goatze is the false 9, attacking mid into the box for goals. GW seems around third choice. It is a player style we don't have, unless Firmino or Lallana can be coached? It's pretty clear what Klopp intends with these strong links.
I've hooped for a LB for about 4 windows, surely one has to come in during this one!
19 Jul 2016 19:26:49
Take you not a fan Ed? Hahaha personally find the transfer strange but if he joins I'll back him got to trust klopp judgement.
19 Jul 2016 19:39:43
We need a left back and a defensively minded midfielder not Wijnaldum.
19 Jul 2016 20:26:32
Ed01 has been saying this about GW for days now but his lobbyists won`t listen. All they do is watch highlights and then come here and say that he is awesome, mentioning that he scored 11 goals but fail sometimes conveniently, to mention that he scored 6 of them in two games which makes is 5 in 30 plus games. The guy is as Ed described as in average, poor, can`t be arsed and a waste of time and funds.
19 Jul 2016 20:34:59
Agreed Cincyred, it has fail written all over it.
19 Jul 2016 21:45:47
Mark my words that a number of players will go on loan to Newcastle as a sweetener.
As much as they do my head in as a club, no one could doubt the passion of the supporters, and with a fantastic manager in charge - along with a good run at the league (in which they should win with no problem), then that can only be good for the career of a young player.
A win win for a youngster seeking competitive footballing experience in front of a decent crowd, and one which would surely benefit Liverpool Football Club also.
20 Jul 2016 00:25:43
Why not wait and see. No one knows if he'll be a super star but if he comes give him a chance. The same as any player.
20 Jul 2016 00:23:26
Its just difference of opinions Cincy - why be so vitriolic about yours? Plenty of posters have seen qualities in GW that they think will improve or add to the team. Probably best to judge him in a Liverpool shirt than spend so much time slamming him on here. Personally, i couldn't care less about the price tag - GW has huge ability and the only issue is whether Klopp can get him to produce it consistently.
20 Jul 2016 07:56:26
Annie you're saying we should spend the kinds of money that Man United spent on Mkhitaryan and Chelsea did with Kante on Wijnaldum who has NEVER in his entire career been anything more than a very mediocre player at best and a very poor one at worst and then decide if he's any good?
20 Jul 2016 09:31:22
No, Frank, we should let Klopp decide if he is any good and forget about how much he costs. Our job is to support LFC rather than slam a player before he gets a chance to prove himself in a red shirt.
19 Jul 2016 18:21:16
Just seen a statistic on SkySports that makes interesting reading.
For a few years now we have struggled defending set pieces. Both Klavan and Matip were in the top 5 for clearances in the Bundesliga last season. Klavan obviously has leadership abilities. Maybe Klopp is moving to strengthen this historical weakness?
Shrewd business getting two of the best clearers for under £5m all in. Well played.
19 Jul 2016 19:30:17
He may well be a great addition. He is a good price and has huge experience. My only against was that the cover is only required for at most 6 months, we have Ilori and good ties with Kolo.
When all are fit, it's clear its Lovren Sakho. Matip was the challenger and Gomez the upcoming, possibly take over.
What happens to Gomez? Loan? Forgotten? or is it Klaven? Then that's £5m plus wasted when we NEED a LB.
19 Jul 2016 19:54:56
Why is it clear to be lovren and sakho.
Klavan is going to be a squad player like every other player at the club and will be given his chance.
Would not be at all surprised if he makes more starts this season then the slim fast kid. Who can't head the ball forward and can't kick a ball without falling over. Also hope he doesn't try those stupid flick that sakho does.
19 Jul 2016 20:15:27
Rush Gomez and mess him up for life. Give him time and he is one for the future, learning from those with experience like Klavan.
19 Jul 2016 20:29:09
You can't rely on the fitness of Sahko, Lovren, Gomez and now Matip who had a screw taken out of his ankle this summer, all season so signing a durable and capable back up with CL and EL experience, a Dutch champion with Alkmaar and experienced German League campaigner as well as 108 caps for his country. Shrewd signing, IMO.
19 Jul 2016 20:48:51
Good point Cincyred, not a bad signing and could be shrewd like you say. Just had hoped we'd have bought LB as priority.
CBs, aside from the 4 you mention, Can, Lucas, Ilori are first teamers and we must have someone from the U21 side? They must play with two CBs surely?
I'm sure Kraven will be good and maybe like Huth a no nonesense wall which will help us to a title. Hope so, that's what I will think until I see different. Just wonder if he isn't, where is his place when those first four are all fit? If Gomez does need more time, one other gets injured again, couldn't Can or Lucas play? Ilori cover in cups?
If we had signed Hector or Chilwell and we're basically done, might not care enough to question. But when we are not adding £3m to Chilwell or won't go from £20m to £25m for Hector and just have Moreno come the start I will see this as I do now, not a priority.
20 Jul 2016 01:36:06
I disagree, I think Matip and Lovren will be the starting CB partnership and Sakho and Klaven will be cover. Gomez to play the odd game. Klaven may even force his way into the starting line up.
19 Jul 2016 23:17:18
just a bit of info on Kraven, his second position is at Left Back, think about it .
20 Jul 2016 11:54:45
So sakho and lovren on bench then?
20 Jul 2016 12:15:50
Nice to see us fans have some representation in the negotiation of players fees Max. I mean you must be right at the heart of the negotiations to know what we need to do to get each player? Hang on, you mean you're not? Then why on earth do you think it's that simple? I've never been involved in a transfer (and I bet neither have you) so I'd rather leave it to the experts and I suggest you do the same. No offence mate just get annoyed when people talk about this as if it's just buying a car or something. There is a lot more to it than you, I or even the Eds know.
20 Jul 2016 12:29:33
With you there, Max. I don't know why we are wasting our time and are ready to pay 25m on a bang average player in an area we don't need and yet, can't come up with a measly 10m for a clearly talented LB in an area of need. Can you help explain that to me, Max?
19 Jul 2016 17:35:00
Why get rid of toure? The only guy that showed up in our last game of the season. A guy everyone around the place likes. A guy happy being back up and when needed is quality.
Just to go and spend 5 million on a never heard of signing just to be back up for the back ups.
All hail fsg.
19 Jul 2016 17:46:17
Did you hear of Sami Hyppia before he joined? And what the hell has Fsg got to do with it. They have ploughed millions upon millions into us since they took over. Grow up.
19 Jul 2016 17:48:00
Here's a few answers off the top of my head, age, wages, willingness to sit on the bench. Managing a squad is more complicated than saying 'I want that player'.
19 Jul 2016 17:48:22
Fsg don't sign the players you noob.
19 Jul 2016 17:54:12
Klopp would of sanctioned the signing and decided not to keep toure. Fsg have backed their manager in both decisions so I can't see how you are blaming them.
Toure is 35 and was rumoured to be on 100k a week! He also would of commanded a signing on fee as his contract ran out.
At 35 he was only going to decline.
This new signing will be on a fraction of that wage and has a few good years left.
19 Jul 2016 17:56:50
He`s 36 and not getting any younger regardless of his undoubted ability. Klavan is 6 years younger and Klopp knows him well fromhis Dortmund days and so do we as he was solid for Augsburg against us in the EL where they didn`t let in a single goal from open play. Is that clear enuff for you?
19 Jul 2016 20:18:53
Kolo showed up when not injured, but wasn't always dependable to last a whole 90.
19 Jul 2016 20:31:19
Instead of moaning about all our signings before ANY has played a PL game, why doesn't everybody trust in what klopp is doing, If it takes a certain amount to sign a player Liverpool want, let them pay it if we are happy too . with the players probably leaving plus who's gone already, their is a good chance all the signing we have, it will technically have cost us nothing, People wanted us to strengthen in certain positions, he has nearly done that, so if your a true LFC supporter, TRUST IN KLOPP.
19 Jul 2016 20:44:08
Klopp also mentioned that Toure cannot play regularly because I assume due to his age.
19 Jul 2016 18:12:45
Toure was obviously happy on the bench and filling in where needed.
19 Jul 2016 17:33:05
Various clubs being linked with Lucas this window.
Am I correct in thinking this is due to his agent touting him about?
19 Jul 2016 17:01:50
I want us to sign Wijnaldum purely to show we are willing to spend 20-25mill on players that play for teams in England other than just southampton 4X.
19 Jul 2016 17:10:24
Forgot Andy Carroll and benteke already? Lol.
19 Jul 2016 17:15:32
And mane.
19 Jul 2016 17:15:54
And firmino.
19 Jul 2016 17:53:01
Suarez.
19 Jul 2016 17:57:41
Didn`t think that post through did you, Hyach?
19 Jul 2016 18:45:18
Cincy and most others read again other clubs in england for over 20 mil not Southampton so of here comments benteke and carroll fit.
19 Jul 2016 18:48:26
Tj you've had a bit of a blunder there he said not Southampton and from a English team so firmino and mane are neither exceptions to what he was saying :p.
19 Jul 2016 19:00:15
Shot your bolt a bit prematurely there TJ my friend 😂.
19 Jul 2016 15:29:50
In regards to the Wijnaldum rumours, i'd just like to say that I get a deep cringing feeling any time any Dutch player is associated with LFC. I really am not trying to be racial or ethnic or anything similar, but in my years of watching football, I've never seen a group of players who are consistently so egotistical, hotheaded and simply "problematic" despite the unquestionable amazing talent pool such a small country has. I've seen them revolt against each other or their coaches in at least 2-3 World cups, players consistently question everything from their management at the local club levels and I would even say that Dutch teams have given more titles away rather than lost them. For every Bergkamp, Van Basten, Van Persie, Overmars, Van den Sar, Kuyt and Koeman who was a true professional and went about their work as they should and achieved great heights you have the Sneijder, Kluivert, Seedorf, Davids, Rijkaard, Van der Vaart, Nigel de Jong etc., etc. who were as much a disruptive and negative factor to their teams due to their on/ off field antics or attitude. Even the great Johan Cruyff (whom I rate as the third all time behind Pele and Maradona) was associated with controversy and egoism as much as with supreme footballing and managing talent. Even our Ryan Babel had enough talent and sufficient potential to make it, but he always preferred the dj console to taking his career seriously. Bottom line? Wijnaldum? Let's give it a miss, please. Why take a chance on a player who already has a questioned work ethic and doesn't fit the "team first" environment being created?
19 Jul 2016 16:26:27
Thank God you or your opinion have no influence on Liverpool Or football in general
19 Jul 2016 16:27:14
I think on top of his questionable mentality, the other reason it won't happen is because hopefully Newcastle are making it a ridiculous fee and terms, the latest in the Echo is that they want close to £27m and they wan that up front. If true, that should be enough to make it a deal to walk away from because the player isn't worth a quarter of that fee.
19 Jul 2016 16:30:16
All those problem players you mentioned bar De Jong where great players, with multiple Champions League and League winners medals. All of whom would have improved Liverpool massively.
19 Jul 2016 17:13:00
If only there was something in holland to calm all these hot headed Dutch players down, a herb or something? ;)
19 Jul 2016 17:20:56
Dirk was a model professional - I don't want us to sign Wijnaldum but your statement is just stupid on every level.
19 Jul 2016 17:59:18
There are many other arguments to make for Wijnaldum not to come to LFC but the OP`s post isn`t one of them.
19 Jul 2016 20:17:37
Irish Rover - yes, every single player I named was a very good player in the least. I was just saying that a lot of them also had questionable attitude issues and problematic natures that made things difficult for their teams. My post was not about on-field footballing talent. All the players I mentioned clearly had it. I was talking about how the off field attitudes were not exactly desirable. Of course, every league has such players with difficult characters and attitude issues. I just feel i saw more of it with Dutch players. I think a lot of people misread my post, but what the heck, this site has become more about upmanship than anything else lately. It's my opinion and i'll stick to it.
Seano - I clearly said Kuyt was a true professional and one of the ones without a difficult character. We all know he was actually the exact opposite. You can call me stupid. That's fine. I wil repay the compliment by saying you are blind. Go to to the optometrist and have the the neural connections between your eyes and feeble brain cells looked at.
19 Jul 2016 20:38:37
ta1969. Gerrard's off field antics were not the greatest or Suarez (on and off) . The ego goes with the greatness sometimes.
19 Jul 2016 15:13:54
Just passing on a bit of news regarding Ryan Kent.
Looks like the lad is on his way to Barnsley on loan, hopefully he will get a lot of game time in the championship.
19 Jul 2016 17:04:56
Would be good for him. Hopefully he can have a similar season the likes of Ojo and Canos had last season, to either; better himself for the Liverpool team or to raise his value.
19 Jul 2016 14:51:24
Just wondered if any of you could provide any info on any concrete leads we (LFC) are looking into at present (besides Klavan) . Having a read through recent posts and everything really just seems pure speculation from posters at present, transfer windows are no good for somebody as impatient as me! Appreciate all the work you guys do by the way, this site gets me through work on a regularly basis, utmost respect. YNWA.
19 Jul 2016 18:22:18
I'd like most of the youngsters get say a six month loan to championship clubs I think it would benefit them greatly development wise. The likes of Brannagan, Kent, Randall, Ejaria and possibly Chirivella.
We can review them at the six month stage and decide along with club loaning if an extension would suit all parties. Given we still have so many midfielders in the squad and the potential of others arriving, I doubt they are going to see as much time as we would want or even their development requires.
We would still have both Ojo and Woodburn (who does look at ease in the first team) .
We already have Lucas, Henderson, Milner, Can, Coutinho, Firmino, Grujic. I can only see Lucas departing from that group, and even then I expect another midfielder to arrive.
There some decent teams in the championship such as Brighton, Wigan, Forrest or QPR. I think the above youngsters need to be given the. opportunity to kick on this season and I don't think they will get many chances currently in the first team.
19 Jul 2016 11:26:53
Quick question ed. is Ragnar coming in to cover LB with Moreno or will we still look for a LB?
Thanks.
{Ed002's Note - Centre back but LFC want Chilwell but cannot agree over cost.}
19 Jul 2016 14:03:18
Klavan plays primarily at CB but he's played left back sporadically in his career. My guess is that he's emergency cover at left back only.
19 Jul 2016 14:11:31
Cheers ed
Just seems like another knee jerk signing.
I thought we need to trim the squad, would make more sense to leave a kid as back up and wait for sakho and Gomez to return.
Couple of months time this guy will be warming the bench.
We never seem to learn.
19 Jul 2016 15:17:45
We have Lovren, Sakho and Matip as first choice CBs, and with our injury history that leaves us one injury away from two experienced senior CBs. Also bear in mind we've sold Skrtel, lost Toure and obviously Caulker so bringing in one CB isn't the stupidest idea in the world.
Gomez is a fantastic talent but young and recovering from a ACL injury, I personally am happy if we get Klavan and then hope we move on Illori, Wisdom and then use Gomez as cover for the FB positions and cup games at CB.
19 Jul 2016 16:05:18
I see your point zimbo but we can't keep buying players to make sure we have cover for cover.
May as well kept toure whos used to the league rather than bringing in a soon to be 32 year old whos got to get upto speed.
Also i'd imagine he's cover for matip, lovren and sakho so when is he going to get his game time.
19 Jul 2016 16:12:35
Also not to forget that we lose Matip when he leaves for ACON.
19 Jul 2016 17:07:54
He looks like a decent ball playing CB and also isn't slow. Similar to Lovren with more miles on the clock, but still at an age to improve and go up a level when surrounded by better players.
19 Jul 2016 17:14:07
Agree with Lavers and I am sorry Zimbo, That approach is the reason we have a large squad. Buying players to Cover for cover.
19 Jul 2016 17:35:21
I think he's a player who will give his all for the team. He's versatile enough to act as cover in two positions and is driven to become his countries all time greatest player. I for one look forward to seeing him play.
19 Jul 2016 17:50:15
I think is is ok signing. May help us during the long season.
Plus all the reviews given by other posters seem to suggest he is a decent player. Si where is the problem?
19 Jul 2016 18:01:14
Klavan is a big part of the reason we could not score a single goal from open play vs Augsburg in the EL last season.
19 Jul 2016 19:03:00
I wouldn't assume he's coming to be break glass cover, he may surprise people and push his way into first choice, he may also be there to push Sakho (injured I believe) and Lovren to step up and maintain a higher level - or be dropped.
19 Jul 2016 19:07:38
Game of thrones. You say it's the reason we have a bloated squad yet you keep going on about dahoud and zielinski----- two midfield players that we are well over crowded with.
19 Jul 2016 20:37:54
Of course, Harry only goes on about players that he wants. If he doesn`t want you, you are adding to the Bloated squad. But Zielinski, Dahoud and Kovacic wouldn`t.
19 Jul 2016 11:42:37
Whispers about an old flame of Ed001s joining 😂 personally I hope it's true.
19 Jul 2016 13:23:16
Poor mans mascherano. But at least he's an improvement on the dross we've been linked with lately.
19 Jul 2016 17:11:41
That's like saying Sturridge is a poor mans Aubameyang. Words are just words.
19 Jul 2016 17:14:01
Had a brilliant copa America, fans favourite at Inter and outshone Masch at the copa America too. Would not be unhappy to see Gary Medel.
19 Jul 2016 17:15:33
Much better positionally than Masch ever was.
Would be a great signing but I would feel sorry for Can as his place would likely be gone.
19 Jul 2016 17:26:56
I think Can and Medel is a good pairing, gives Can licence to get up and down the pitch.
19 Jul 2016 10:39:32
Morning all. After watching the friendlies and seeing the youngsters, can anyone shed any light on Ejaria as a player? I have watched the youtube clips mango mentioned about, but wondered if anyone (MK? ) had any info on him as a player and what the expectations are? He looked very assured and confident. Cheers.
19 Jul 2016 10:48:32
He (rather ironically) is the closest thing we have at the club to Wijnaldum. He is a strong midfielder who chips in with a fair few goals arriving late into the box. He also relies more on power and clever movement though than actual skill or flair (Although he seems to have massively improved on the ball over the summer) . He never stood out for me at youth level.
19 Jul 2016 11:08:40
He's the closest to wijnaldum? No no . He's a young lad and very tall and rangey . He doesn't drive forward like wijnaldum I'm explosive bursts . He's like a diaby or pogba / toure styled midfielder .
19 Jul 2016 11:10:12
Cheers MK. I was going to say, he showed some good feet at various times in the game. Future is looking very bright if the young lads are anything to go by.
19 Jul 2016 11:47:39
I seriously don't see where you think Wijnaldum is a strong midfielder, he is physically a very weak/ slight man at just about 5'8"/ 5'9" and is very easily out muscled in fifty fifty challenges, he is also weak at tackling and does NO defensive work. Like I say, discount the goals that he scored against Norwich and Spurs and you have a very below par footballer who is a waste of a transfer fee.
19 Jul 2016 12:02:19
Since when does height or size have anything to do with strength? Sterling, Tevez, Aguero, Ayew etc.
Wijnaldum is very strong. Ejaria doesn't tackle much either. I'm not comparing them based on height, but based on their style of play.
Discount his goals? That is a ridiculous statement. Discount Coutinho's goals against Chelsea and City then look at his season tally.
19 Jul 2016 12:16:12
I agreed5ive more than MK that Ejaria is closer to the powerful midfielder like Viera Pogba Toure type than Wijnaldum. Wijnaldum in a sense is closer to Bolaise type of powerful winger.
19 Jul 2016 13:16:43
Viera and Pogba?!
Ejaria is not even similar to them except in terms of physical characteristics.
He has never played a deeper midfield role in any of the youth games I've seen. He also has nowhere as much defensive acumen as Viera, and nowhere near as much technical ability as Pogba. Ejaria is an out and out attacking midfielder.
How you can say he is like Viera or Pogba is beyond me as they are not even similar players either.
If you just see things differently to me I apologise, but the Viera and Pogba comparisons to me seem to be more based on height, running style and skin colour than anything to do with him as a player. From what I have seen of Ejaria, he is not even remotely similar to them.
I honestly cannot see Ejaria breaking into our first team anyway. Hopefully he makes me eat those words, but contrary to a good half against Tranmere he has never stood out from the crowd of attacking and midfield talent in our academy. Flanno didn't stand out either though so I won't completely write off Ejaria's chances.
19 Jul 2016 13:52:31
Wijnaldum is anything but strong and powerful, you ask any Newcastle fan who had the misfortune of watching him constantly shirk challenges, lose fifty/ fifty balls and stand and watch play pass him by last year rather than get his boots dirty or make a challenge, they can't wait to get shot of him.
Wijnaldum is like Lallana minus the work ethic.
I think it is reasonable to discount goals against (a) a team that was relegated along with Newcastle (ie Norwich) and (b) against a team on the last day of the season when Newcastle were relegated and it didn't actually matter, since he hadn't bothered in the 10 games prior to that.
So 11 goals doesn't actually look that good in the context of two opponents and the matches.
If he had scored consistently and played well for 40 games it would be different, he was poor for 75% of Newcastle's games.
You stick him in centre midfield for us and watch us lose games, that is all there is to it as he is neither capable nor competent for the role.
19 Jul 2016 13:52:31
Wijnaldum is anything but strong and powerful, you ask any Newcastle fan who had the misfortune of watching him constantly shirk challenges, lose fifty/ fifty balls and stand and watch play pass him by last year rather than get his boots dirty or make a challenge, they can't wait to get shot of him.
Wijnaldum is like Lallana minus the work ethic.
I think it is reasonable to discount goals against (a) a team that was relegated along with Newcastle (ie Norwich) and (b) against a team on the last day of the season when Newcastle were relegated and it didn't actually matter, since he hadn't bothered in the 10 games prior to that.
So 11 goals doesn't actually look that good in the context of two opponents and the matches.
If he had scored consistently and played well for 40 games it would be different, he was poor for 75% of Newcastle's games.
You stick him in centre midfield for us and watch us lose games, that is all there is to it as he is neither capable nor competent for the role.
19 Jul 2016 14:17:57
What does power have to do with his shirking tackles.
Now you are confusing power and aggression.
I'll just agree to disagree. In my opinion Wijnaldum is a powerful attacking midfielder. So we'll agree to disagree. I don't rate him as a wide player at all, but I am aware he has played there in the past. He is still nothing like Lallana though. Lallana has exceptional technique. His problem is that he has no speed of thought. Wijnaldum is the opposite. He has great reactions and quick decision making, but lacks the ability and execution. Lallana is a ridiculously hard worker but has little impact on the score line whilst Wijnaldum is more likely to wait until he has the chance to make a difference, rather than actively try and make a difference.
I have repeatedly stated that I don't want Wijnaldum. I am just presenting the other side of the argument and defending the players ability; which for me isn't in question.
It is his desire and mentality which are questionable.
19 Jul 2016 14:27:55
I was watching the True Geordie (tells it how it is) on Wijnaldum and he said though the lad has talent he went missing to often and his one of the main reasons they were relegated. He didn't turn up 2016 till Rafa got there and doesn't know whether Klopp can work his magic on him but one thing glad he won't be going to the championship with them, because he lacks bottle for a fight. His opinion not mine.
19 Jul 2016 17:13:21
Sorry but Wijnaldum is a very very average player who did absolutely nothing last year to warrant a transfer fee in excess of £20m. Like I say, barely a one good game in four player, we have had enough of players like him at the club and if we have that sort of money to spend there are far better ways of spending it than on a player who is mentally weak and lacks any discernible quality.
19 Jul 2016 18:22:44
MK, I suggest you listen to Mr dennis because the man speaks the truth. Wijnaldum is nothing of what you describe him to be. he is talented as shown at the last WC BUT that had more to do with the system he played in than him being a great player. He is not physically strong and yes, shirking tackles shows you are weak where it matters as in, in your head. The guy has no bottle for a scrap or a fight and is poor, lazy, doesn`t track back, can`t be bothered and is not good enuff. Scoring 11 goals in 7 games is nonsense as I can also ask where was he for the other 30 odd games. I know, maybe he was busy shirking tackles, not working hard, and was getting benched by Rafa for being lazy. He`s not better than ANY of our midfielders and I really hope he gets priced out of a deal.
19 Jul 2016 21:33:42
He scored 11, how many did lallana score? If he comes and gets the motivation required and scores 11 and say Mane score another 11. The strikers do the rest we are good as long as we don't leak goals. But don't forget Couts and Firm in the equation.
19 Jul 2016 10:28:19
Apologies if this has already been posted, but apparently Sakho has offered to sign anyone's shirts who have already purchased them with his old squad number, just need to send them in with a stamped address envelope for return.
If true I'd have to say that is a great gesture 👏🏻👏🏻.
19 Jul 2016 11:09:58
But he won't pay for a stamp? Hahahaha.
19 Jul 2016 16:01:11
I doubt there's that many who bought it considering the charge hanging over his head at the time lol.
19 Jul 2016 10:06:05
Aaaahhh. Why is it always this way? Whenever I get back home to Liverpool, there's never a game on. I usually can only get back in the off season due to work and children commitments. I've just booked to come back this weekend to attend my sister's funeral (47 years old, ****ing cancer! ) and I just miss a preseason game and the next one is in the US! I'm even bringing my lad with me who is also Liverpool mad. Last time I brought him over was the off season when we signed Charlie Adam, who was nice enough to sign a shirt for my boy.
19 Jul 2016 10:17:08
Really sorry to hear about your sister mate. My auntie is a very lucky survivor. They found her cancer by pure fluke when she had a C-section. Grandad is currently battling the prostate and bone strands of it too. That is hard enough to deal with. If i had to watch my little sister go through it I'd fall apart.
So hats off to you for staying strong for your wee lad!
Thoughts and prayers are with you mate. I hope the funeral is a great send off for her, and you all share some fond memories.
Nice to here about Charlie Adam as well. Shows he wasn't all bad!
19 Jul 2016 10:20:36
Sorry to hear about your sister mate, seems like everyone nowadays knows someone fighting with cancer. The season's not far off now, but I think our games in America are on sky or BT, so you may be able to watch them?
19 Jul 2016 10:36:59
Thanks for your nice thoughts guys. Yep Shewsbury Red, the dreaded cancer seems to be everywhere. I'm a bit of a lefty hippy I admit, but what we eat, breath and drink is killing us I think. F**k chemo, eat naturally and tell big pharma and the food and sickness industries where they can stick it. Sorry, bit raw at the moment.
19 Jul 2016 10:21:14
Unlucky that mate.
Sorry for your loss.
19 Jul 2016 10:43:54
Thanks Ed for posting my comments, I know completely off topic.
19 Jul 2016 10:48:33
Horrible news Burkey. Sending my best wishes to you and your family.
YNWA.
19 Jul 2016 11:19:33
Best wishes to your family Burkey. Sorry to hear about your loss.
YNWA.
19 Jul 2016 11:47:54
Best wishes Burkey, really sorry man, take care buddy.
19 Jul 2016 12:06:45
We are playing huddersfield tomorrow, all be it away though if you can make it there. Sorry to hear about your sister also, may she never walk alone.
19 Jul 2016 12:30:09
Best wishes Burkey to you and your family, take care mate.
19 Jul 2016 13:41:39
Best wishes to you and yours Burkey. Even if you don't get to a game, just treasure the time in the city with yer son, maybe even try to get on a stadium tour or something if they're running at the moment, just something to mark the occasion.
19 Jul 2016 14:00:13
Best wishes and sorry for you loss. Puts life into perspective and shows how cruel it can be. YNWA.
19 Jul 2016 15:03:43
Best wishes mate, stay strong.
19 Jul 2016 21:41:50
Cool Runnings, peace be her journey!
19 Jul 2016 10:03:02
First proper post so please don't shoot me down in flames.
Can you see any ex liverpool players reuniting for us such as when Fowler joined us at the end of year. Someone such as xabi Alonso who would be great back up for us and would play for the shirt. Many thanks.
19 Jul 2016 10:13:11
Holding out hopes and crossing my fingers for Caulker or konchesky!
19 Jul 2016 10:22:29
Xabi as back up? I am a staunch supporter of Can and Hendo, but Xabi is world class. Back up? He'd be the first name on the team sheet!
I don't think we have let anyone go other than Alonso that I'd have back now. Torres, Gerrard, Reina, Arbeloa and Maschersno are all good players but not what we need.
If we are being totally unrealistic, I'd still take Suarez and Sterling back.
19 Jul 2016 10:22:30
Le Tallec and Sinama-Pongolle? Anyone? No? Thought not!
19 Jul 2016 10:28:45
Seriously though, I'd take Mascherano back in a heartbeat. I seem to remember the Eds saying he was vile, self serving scum, but he was quality. Obviously agree with Adam too, Suarez please 🙏🏻 (another horrible human, but an awesome player though! )
19 Jul 2016 10:53:04
Can't think of anyone I'd want back to play for us tbh.
Klopp is building a new team, with a camaraderie and collective work ethic. He's not targeting superstars who are 'self-serving'.
Suarez is a wonderful footballer who is brilliant on match day, but he was disruptive when he wasn't playing and had disciplinary problems.
I'm trusting Klopp to do it his way, with a new fresh approach to the team.
19 Jul 2016 14:19:38
Hey Ron, I believe in Klopp, don't worry about that! I took the question as a purely hypothetical musing. There is zero chance of either guys coming back, not least because Klopp doesn't want those kinds of signings but they also wouldn't take a step backwards themselves. Backwards both in terms of time and level of football right now. In 5 years, I fully believe the gap between us and the likes of Barcelona will be considerably smaller than it is right now, and it's Klopp that will help bridge that gap 👍.
19 Jul 2016 17:16:18
I'd take Suso in a heart beat. San jose as well.
19 Jul 2016 09:26:14
There seems to be a lot of moaning about potential signings that we should be signing big name players or that certain players we've signed or are linked with are rubbish is one way a poster described a player I just wonder should these people be supporting a city or Chelsea because the simple fact is we have not got the money to compete with the richer clubs we also have been in the champions league wilderness for a while now bar the il fated season when Rodgers made hash of it and finally we have a manager who likes to develop players rather then buy so called superstars so let's give the man a chance to work his stuff.
19 Jul 2016 10:57:20
I think we have got the money to compete but it's not what we're trying to achieve and probably not part of Klopp's remit. Players like Pogba, Ibrahimovic etc are usually the final cog in the machine.
We're not at that stage, we're building a team. A team that works hard for each other, a team that is hungry and striving for success, a team that will grow together.
We need fans to stay cool and believe, we're heading in the right direction, don't stress about the signings, there is a grand plan behind it not a short term fix.
19 Jul 2016 09:23:39
Seriously, if Couts is staying, if we sign Medel, Klavan, Wijnaldum, and a left back plus ship out a few from the squad we don't need then i'm happy days
I don't know how true any of these rumours are apart from Klavan but theyd do for me, i'm still torn on if we need a hitman up front but keep Sturridge fit and i'm sure we're rockin n rollin
Bring it on i'm ready now!
19 Jul 2016 10:18:35
Klavan only thanks. Looks the business to me, yeah been watching youtube clips. Medel is just lazy jounalism and I think the ED's have said Wijnaldum is the same?
19 Jul 2016 18:24:05
No Wijnaldum, please.
19 Jul 2016 09:10:47
I really like the look of our new signings so far - if people are moaning about them then I suppose it's because their friends support teams signing 'big players'.
Quite frankly, if you support Liverpool as a means to enhance the size of your social penis because you are insecure then get a blanket.
19 Jul 2016 10:58:45
A "social penis" 😄, never heard of that term before. I suppose you don't want your penis to be too sociable. 😉.
19 Jul 2016 08:43:18
So chilwell, klavan, and hopefully medel, look like the most likely signings going forward.
To me they all look like significant upgrades on moreno, toure and lucas/ allen for reasonable prices.
Even with the transfers that have occured so far, and the selection of certain youngsters in pre-season, it seems klopp is shaping up a very well organised and balanced squad and is improving our weakest areas. We already have a replacement for skrtel, mignolet and a proper winger - all weaknesses levelled at liverpool last year.
Allen and lucas leaving for medel makes perfect sense, however i don't think i'll be able to sleep at night until we sign a new left back. On top of that, i cannot see milner and lallana staying if there is interest - surely there has to be improvements upon them out there somewhere.
19 Jul 2016 09:14:41
i know nothing of Klavan or how good he is. Do you have any ideas on his ability Ed01?
{Ed001's Note - no sorry.}
19 Jul 2016 09:16:42
How is medel the most likely.
19 Jul 2016 10:27:50
If we got them 3 players I'd be absolutely delighted. I can't see medel joining though. Hopefully it happens mind but I think it's just another one of them rumours.
I'm happy how things currently are but Chilwell is desperately needed.
19 Jul 2016 10:50:15
Where do i say that medel is the most likely?
I know nothing of klavan either but what i do know is that he is experienced and is captain at international level. I think the fact he is so obscure and out of the blue means there has been some serious scouting involved, which to me is a good thing. It means klopp knows his capabilities and what he wants, rather than just signing a 'big name'.
The point was that klopp seems to have managed this squad very well thus far. Last season he tried everything possible to get underperforming players to do better - moreno, mignolet, milner, henderson, all were given his confidence publicly to try and boost their performances. In some cases it worked, in some cases it didnt.
Now it is clear with his signings and pre-season management that he is systimatically improving the squad. Trimming down players who aren't good enough (skrtel), selling players who inflate the squad and would do better elsewhere (ibe) and bringing through players who can be used as squad players during the season (arnold, kent, ejaria etc) .
The manner of the signings also systimatically improve the squad as opposed to rodgers, who blew his load on any player who had a decent appraisal on match of the day.
Karius - Improves on the disastrous mignolet and saves us countless points. Also builds more confidence in the defence. One of the top keepers in the bundesliga for buttons.
Matip - One of the top centre backs in the bundesliga on a free transfer. Offers a more calm and assured presence than sakho, more of a sami hyypia. Again, a bargain on paper that hugely improves on skrtel.
Grujic - A highly rated youngster who will hopefully take up the place of allen, again for buttons compared for the £100 million united may pay for pogba. He presents an upgrade on allen in terms of room for growth, actually driving forward with intent and power and generally being a more positive presence. Most importantly, however, he deals with the another criticism levelled at our team - we have no real height or power in midfield, or any other position. Grujic is enourmous and gives us another dimension.
Mane - A player that while overpriced and from southampton, definately adds something we desperately needed - a pacy, goalscoring winger. Again, gives us a completely different dimension, and a huge upgrade on milner and lallana.
Klavan - Not much to say just yet but an experienced, cheap option, a leader for his national team and club. Klopp seems to have thought this one out and see's him as a good addition at a cheap price, seemingly a solid replacement for toure.
Chilwell? - A young and somewhat underrated prospect who can surely do everything better than moreno can. Being english boosts the quota and helps communication. Essential we get him or another good left back in.
Medel? - An upgrade on lucas given the latters injury problems and age. Also contributes much more going forward and again, would likely be at a good price.
Honestly considering all that and with more transfers set to occur, i am very excited for our squad next season. It feels planned, with actual work put into it, rather than just the constant transfer frenzy of rodgers and benitez. I can't wait to see how our team performs next season.
19 Jul 2016 11:58:48
Good post AW good look at our dealings so far!
19 Jul 2016 18:25:16
Spot on, AW> I don`t think Medel will happen tho even if I think he is the DM we need.
19 Jul 2016 08:01:11
My last post wasnt finished grrr anyway how can you say we don't need these players they might turn out to be gems
Give em a chance eh before we start moaning the seasons not bloody started yet.
19 Jul 2016 08:31:27
You will have to bench a lot of players which will be an issue. Notably Henderson and some big names. The point is Brendan got sacked for the same reason. Buying a load of similar players and having no clue to use them.
I'll show you some possibilities
Can - Hendo
Can - Wijnaldum
Can - Grujic
Can - Brannagan
Stewart - Anyone of the above
Can - Milner
Over the top you have 3 strikers and 4 Attackers knocking the door for games.
19 Jul 2016 11:51:41
If we bought Wijnaldum and play him in centre midfield, we will be battered by most teams, he is not a CM by any stretch and will either be caught out of position, lose possession to easily or not bother to make any tackles. It would be as bad as playing Milner there, with the exception being that at least Milner tries and works hard, something that Wijnaldum could not be accused of last year.
19 Jul 2016 11:53:39
I hear ya g o t but i'm sure there will be a surprise leaver or two yet
I don't think we're finished with the Klopp revolution yet buddy.
19 Jul 2016 07:59:46
Maybe when Klopp fails due to all these signings we don't need which is also obviously due to the champions league qualifying squad we own, ahem, then you can all apply for the job and show LFC just how to win the league with the squad of players including all the over talked about youth that has never won anything in its life
Get a grip lads how can you say we don't need.
19 Jul 2016 08:57:16
ah someone who talks some sense I love this site but sometimes get very frustrated reading posts saying it's ok we have ojo branagan Kent and so on these are young lads making there way in the game please let them develop without putting so much pressure on them in klopp we have a manager that has a proven record at developing young players and unknown players so let's stop moaning get behind the new signings and let's hope we have a great season.
19 Jul 2016 07:55:03
With clubs looking at William carvalho from sporting for some time now, would klopp be interested. I'd be chuffed if we could spend 30 million on a strong CM, are there any clubs interested in him?
19 Jul 2016 08:29:42
Give it a rest yea!
19 Jul 2016 09:29:47
Absolutely brilliant player who will likely end up at Arsenal or Chelsea soon.
19 Jul 2016 07:22:02
Morning Eds and reds.
Ed1, could I ask your opinion of Can and Henderson? Do you think they're both good enough for what we want to achieve?
Also, if we signed Medal who would he replace?
Thanks.
{Ed001's Note - Can is potentially good enough, right now he is just on the verge of it, he still has a bit to learn positionally and defensively especially. Hendo is defo good enough. He is far better than he is given credit for.
Medel would replace the likes of Allen and Lucas. I love Lucas but Medel is a younger and better player than him. I would still be sad to see him go though.}
19 Jul 2016 07:45:52
Thanks ed1.
I personally like both of Can and Henderson. I think they get a lot of undue criticism. I do think they both need to add a few more goals to their repertoire mind.
Klopp seems very keen to add a cdm or cm player so that makes it fairly obvious that Lucas and Allen are leaving. Do you think Milner might leave too, or will no one have him?
Cheers.
{Ed001's Note - I think he will stay as no one will pay enough.}
19 Jul 2016 08:10:53
Hello Ed001, obviously you like Medel, but i remember you saying that you would prefer we played without a DM. My question is if we do play with a DM, how would you prefer we deployed at the backline?
Personally i prefer working with a LB, CB and RB that maintain their line.
{Ed001's Note - Medel is not a DM, so the question is not relevant.}
19 Jul 2016 10:33:01
Can is a serious culprit of not holding the line when he is asked to play deeper. I don't get this love when he fail on his role completely. If he had some brains, the results would have been different against Sevilla.
Henderson will be replaced by a fine run from Grujic and may be Wijnaldum. I see no reason for Henderson getting games.
19 Jul 2016 15:21:24
Maybe Henderson being our best midfielder and captain is a reason for him to get games. Have you ever watched Wijnaldum Harry? He's not a box to box mid as you keep saying, he's an attacking mid who can play on the wing. If you actually watched him play you would know that. There is no chance that he would replace Henderson in midfield. That's just a ludicrous statement. You really need to start watching players and stop spouting absolute nonsense in every post.
19 Jul 2016 11:10:46
Thanks for the reply Ed001, besides the irrelevance of the question could you explain why you prefer we play without a DM, and how you would prefer we deploy the players, wihout using specific names say for a must win match.
Also how easy is it to change tactics midway into a particular half?
{Ed001's Note - what is wrong with the way Leicester set out? You can switch tactics very easily if you have the players well drilled. Most of the switches should be very obvious, if the players are trained well.}
19 Jul 2016 00:58:09
I really can't see these Wijnaldum rumours being true, I really can't, unless Coutinho were to go but Ed001 has said recently that he isn't pushing for a move so fingers crossed.
We really don't need any more attacking players as I see it. I wouldn't mind personally if we were to offload Milner and Lallana but there really isn't any interest in the two at the moment, hopefully things may change however. According to some sources though he really rates the two for their work ethic, which I can't really argue with but you have to look beyond that and question what do they do for the team (granted Lallana wins the ball back high up the pitch in great positions), or can they be replaced quite easily.
I know we have offloaded quite a few already and I know that some more will be offloaded. I feel that we really need to be selling before we buy any more attacking players. The restriction to the youth would be pretty stupid too, with Ojo, Kent, Woodburn, Branagan all looking good, i think we should really look to trim the squad further and give the kids a chance with more game time, with the attacking talent youth wise we have at the club at the moment (the four above to name a few) I wouldn't look to sign replacements for both/ either Lallana Markovic.
Considering we won't be playing in Europe next year you can't imagine that a huge squad would be needed, which is what we have, so the links to Wijnaldum baffle me at the moment as there are no real murmurs of any attacking players leaving (first teamers) for us to push for this.
As Ed001 previously stated too Wijnaldum was dropped for Newcastle because he doesn't press, which is a key fundamental in Klopps game the rumours don't really add up. Although if we were to sign him to replace somebody, hopefully not Coutinho, I think if he showed good attitude and was willing to adapt his game to Klopps pressing, I would think he could even become a shrewd signing coming in from that left wing.
19 Jul 2016 05:15:51
What did most react when we were first linked with Mane? And now how most of us feel after seeing him play for the past recent friendly games?
Maybe we need to trust Klopp with his choice of players. It might not be popular among us fans, but maybe, just maybe, it'll turn out to be good eventually?
19 Jul 2016 07:19:28
Haizan, most people where fine with the signing of mane, but no for that sort of fee. We knew he was a quality player but he isn't a marquee player so why should he warrant a marquee price, that was what most people's problem was. There's no doubting his talent, and I'm most excited about him out of our summer transfers so far, but the fans where complaining because we overpaid again.
In regard to wijnaldum, the fans just can't make any sense of it because it simply doesn't make any sense. This would be a typical Rogers signing. I think wijnaldum is a decent player had we got him before mane, but now we have mane why get wijnaldum. Even if we where to get rid of 1-2 players in that position, it still wouldn't make sense to spend that sort of money for a player that will sit on the bench when one of the highly rated youngsters could have done that. Everyone's banging on about klopp developing players, well we have a batch with very good talent who can actually make it in the first team. Who remembers the phrase 'brendaned'.
We need a left back and possibly another central midfielder if certain players where too leave. Why are we making things more complicated and overcrowded. Answers on a postcard.
19 Jul 2016 07:51:49
@kman that's rubbish!
Loads on said he wasn't what we needed and he had a terrible attitude and would be a bad singing in general. I'm sure Ed002 would be able to confirm the amount of negativity surrounding Mane when he signed - just like there is whenever we sign ANY player.
19 Jul 2016 08:21:12
Partly, I do agree with you on the fee part. But I believe it's not within a manager's control, on how much a player's cost, how much a club willing to pay for a player. He might see something about those players that he feels can improve and help the team.
In time, it will be shown whether those are good or bad choice of players. I just think that for now, maybe we need to put a bit of more trust and believe on his choices.
Not suggesting to put blind faiths on Klopp, but let see how things pan out first before judging.
Just my thoughts though.
19 Jul 2016 07:57:09
I honestly don't think that Wijnaldum is anywhere near being a decent player, he had a shocker last year and only bothered in 25% of Newcastles games, a mate of mine who is a Geordie says he spent most of his time with his hands on his hips or watching play go past him. Him and Depuy are the poster boys for one of worst generation of Dutch footballers that has been seen in years, lazy, egotistical and self entitled sums him up perfectly.
19 Jul 2016 08:48:24
Spot on Haizan and Frankly, in the end he is a luxury not a need for the squad. Why are we as supporters more concerned at adding to our over stocked midfield (that consists of players like countinho and firmino) than let's say lb. I don't understand. If we were talking about replacing one of those then maybe, but then we would be loosing quality instead of gaining a player with more.
19 Jul 2016 08:51:24
Wijnaldum played much deeper for PSV, and it seems Klopp was looking for a player that can run with the ball from deep with pace. Like Zielinski, it might seem strange but Klopp has built a successful team before so maybe we can't see his vision just yet. Trusting Klopp seems like a cliché now but surely he has deserves it. This is the first world class manager we've had since Rafa so I get why allot of people are sceptical.
19 Jul 2016 09:01:01
I wouldn't get hung up on fees.
19 Jul 2016 10:26:06
I could see this happening as Klopp is certainly looking at an Attack minded midfielder. Zielinksi seems dead and buried.
18 Jul 2016 21:42:46
Hey Eds,
Not transfer related. Wondering what Fabio Aurelio is up to these days?
{Ed001's Note - good question, but I have absolutely no idea of the answer. Sorry.}
19 Jul 2016 05:18:00
Fabio's day starts with a nice cup of tea, followed by a refreshing shower. He then gets dressed in a stunning tailored 3 piece suit which costs more than my car. He usually visits his doctor around 9.15 in the am to assess his latest injury worries. He then walks home passed some fabulous scenery, which he fails to notice as he is playing Pokemon go. Lunch soon approaches and Fabio can't wait to see what Phillipe, his personal chef, has whipped up for him. He then watches replays of his goal versus Man Utd from 84 different angles, and ends the afternoon watching highlights of Alberto Moreno's defensive efforts over the past 2 seasons. After picking himself up off the floor and changing his shirt as it has become soaked from tears of laughter, Fabio turns his thoughts towards launching his own personal brand of underwear.
Ok, I've bored even myself now, time to stop.
19 Jul 2016 05:24:36
Love that guy. The first player I will be buy when playing fifa14.
19 Jul 2016 09:48:20
Probably still cursing his luck. Only for injuries he would have been one of the best left backs.
Fabulous Aurelio!
19 Jul 2016 01:52:17
When we got klopp everyone (including myself) were hoping for the likes of reus and hummels and ter stegen but now that that's not happening it seems that everyone we are actually after is met with disapproval.
I myself was sceptical about mane but I've now wrapped my head around it and think (or hope) he will do well for us. I'm sceptical about wijnaldum because I want someone better.
But to be fair if we do get him will it not be to replace a midfielder that doesn't score for us? If he is signed and kept motivated I think he could do well for us also.
19 Jul 2016 02:03:19
It might be that Lucas and Allen will be moved on now.
19 Jul 2016 08:35:56
More like Lallana or Milner.
18 Jul 2016 23:48:55
I really don't think we should buy anymore. I think our youth look amazing and if like to see them given a real chance.
Our usual list of ojo, brannagan, Stewart, smith, etc of youth who should be given a chance can now be added to after a strong preseason.
Ejara looks stronger on the ball then lallana and coutinho, you basically have to give away a free kick to get it off him. His body work and ball control is amazing.
Woodburn looks like one for the cup games, at only 16 he has confidence and composure in front of goals.
Flannagan is just a beast. You are not getting past him without earning it. It's time for his regular return
There is more, but I don't want to waste too much of your time :)
For the first time, Australia has LFCTV, and we can watch the youth and preseason games, and I am loving it.
Yes, I'm getting ahead of myself. But I am one excited Aussie fan here.
19 Jul 2016 01:56:36
Ejaria and Woodburn needs to play regular U21s football before they can be imbibed into the senior squad. Comparing the performances of these very inexperienced and not-ready youngsters in a couple of pre-season friendlies to Coutinho is frankly nonsensical.
And with all due respect to Smith, Stewart and Flanagan, I doubt any of them will be usurping their direct competitor in the squad. Brannagan I think will do very well and I would have put faith in him over bringing in Wijnaldum, but Klopp is the boss.
I don't mean to be harsh on the OP, but I think the OP says it himself; he is getting ahead of himself and frankly, this is a classic example of a post where we all build up the younger players up too soon for them to be slaughtered after a game or two in the PL or the Cups.
19 Jul 2016 02:04:22
Voronin was great for us in preseason wasn't he?
19 Jul 2016 03:22:53
Pre-season games are not games which you should judge how good our players are.